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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / GOP Venality Open Thread: Hey, It’s National Doctors Day!

GOP Venality Open Thread: Hey, It’s National Doctors Day!

by Anne Laurie|  March 30, 20206:38 pm| 133 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., COVID-19 Coronavirus, Healthcare, Republican Venality, Trumpery

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Yesterday you baselessly accused them of hoarding/stealing/selling masks and ventilators, you piece of human garbage.

— John Pavlovitz (@johnpavlovitz) March 30, 2020

And he doubled down today! Per ABC News:

As health care workers on the front lines of the coronavirus crisis warn about shortages of masks and other protective equipment, President Donald Trump insinuated over the weekend people might be taking masks from hospitals “out the back door,” suggesting they might be being sold on the black market.

He was reacting to an account by a mask company executive who said the demand had skyrocketed at one New York City hospital, which they did not name, from 10,000 to 20,000 a week to 200,000 to 300,000 masks a week.

The New York Greater Hospital Association and New York Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo have since pushed back on Trump’s claims…

Trump implied, without evidence, that there was a nefarious reason for the shortage in masks, which states have criticized the federal government for not providing. Meanwhile, nurses and doctors across the country have resorted to re-using protective equipment, accepting donations, buying their own PPE (personal protective equipment) and other workarounds to keep themselves safe.

“How do you go from 10 to 20 to 300,000? 10 to 20,000 masks to 300,000? Even though this is different, something’s going on. And you ought to look into it as reporters,” Trump said. “Where are the masks going? Are they going out the back door? How do you go from 10,000 to 300,000 — and we have that in a lot of different places,” he said, though he didn’t mention any other examples of hospitals that have reported stolen masks.

“I hope I didn’t get any of your clients in trouble, but it could be that they are in trouble,” Trump said, referring to hospitals as “clients” and speaking to the CEO of the mask-production company, who accompanied Trump at the briefing.

While there have been a handful of small-scale reports of people stealing masks, gloves and hand sanitizer from hospital waiting areas or other health centers across the country as anxieties over supply shortages rose, many quickly criticized Trump for seeming to put the blame on hospital workers…

At his daily coronavirus briefing in New York on Monday, Cuomo deflect questions about Trump’s comments, saying, “I don’t know what he’s trying to say.”

“In terms of a suggestion that the PPE equipment is not going to a correct place, I don’t know what that means. I don’t know what he’s trying to say. If he wants to make an accusation then let him make an accusation. But I don’t know what he’s trying to say by inference,” Cuomo said…

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top expert on infectious diseases and a key member of the White House coronavirus task force, said Monday morning that he wasn’t familiar with the issue but suggested that there could be more demand because “many more” patients need them.

“You know, I have not looked at that carefully, so I can’t really can’t comment. I mean, it could be that there are many more patients there that need them and they’re actually not walking out the door, they’re actually being utilized. I don’t know. I mean, that discussion came yesterday. I really didn’t know what was going on. I’d have to check that out later and find out what they were talking about,” Fauci said on CNN…

[Side note: Dr. Fauci’s not long for this administration, and is all too aware of that fact.]

President Trump blames hospitals for hoarding ventilators and health care workers for stealing masks. Like blaming the infantry for hoarding mortars and stealing bullets. He really has no idea what health care workers are doing this moment in NYC to save our lives.

— Jane McManus (@janesports) March 29, 2020

You see, kids, he's a thief. He has stolen, cheated, and defrauded people all his life and because he's also a sociopath he can't imagine anybody else is any different. https://t.co/EB5S9szRgP

— seiZedd tesla & spacex to mass produce ventilators (@Zeddary) March 29, 2020

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    March 30, 2020 at 6:41 pm

    We are all Hillary Clinton now.

  2. 2.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 6:44 pm

    Donald Trump, you implied something today which made me think -If 1000 nurses (say 2 hospitals in NYC) treat 30 patients a day and change their masks per safety guidelines each time, that’s 30K masks. Over a 10 day period, that’s 300K masks. No conspiracy, just math. – Lou Diamond Phillips

  3. 3.

    WaterGirl

    March 30, 2020 at 6:44 pm

    This bears repeating.

    You see, kids, he’s a thief. He has stolen, cheated, and defrauded people all his life and because he’s also a sociopath.  he can’t imagine anybody else is any different.

    Trump is a total piece of shit.

  4. 4.

    MattF

    March 30, 2020 at 6:44 pm

    One assumes that Trump is actually voicing resentment that he’s not getting his share of the black market goodies.

  5. 5.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 6:46 pm

    Nevada, a state in one of the richest countries in the world, has painted social-distancing boxes on a concrete parking lot for the homeless to sleep in. pic.twitter.com/svNJ0N9r3f— A Mancino-Williams (@Manda_like_wine) March 30, 2020

    Funny that,…….

    As @krystalball says: ‘Every hotel in Vegas is completely empty right now.´#Covid_19 is exposing, & not in a good way, the socio-economic divides in U.S society. The partisan politics. Who really controls healthcare and where the profits go. Desperately sad. https://t.co/piXfaBZoye— Mikey Kay (@MikeyKayNYC) March 30, 2020

  6. 6.

    trnc

    March 30, 2020 at 6:47 pm

    At his daily coronavirus briefing in New York on Monday, Cuomo deflect questions about Trump’s comments, saying, “I don’t know what he’s trying to say.”

    “In terms of a suggestion that the PPE equipment is not going to a correct place, I don’t know what that means. I don’t know what he’s trying to say. If he wants to make an accusation then let him make an accusation. But I don’t know what he’s trying to say by inference,” Cuomo said…

    That could be a template for how to respond to DT’s BS.

  7. 7.

    A Ghost to Most

    March 30, 2020 at 6:47 pm

    This ain’t about t* anymore. We know what a vile piece of shit he is.

    This is about his brainwashed base. If he disappeared, they would latch onto some other slick talking grifter.

  8. 8.

    trnc

    March 30, 2020 at 6:48 pm

    @WaterGirl: Every accusation is a confession.

  9. 9.

    Bill Arnold

    March 30, 2020 at 6:50 pm

    @MattF:

    One assumes that Trump is actually voicing resentment that he’s not getting his share of the black market goodies.

    Nah, one assumes that D.J.Trump is personally COVID-19-Profiteering.
    Or even stealing masks.

  10. 10.

    joel hanes

    March 30, 2020 at 6:51 pm

    @MattF:

    Trump is actually voicing resentment that he’s not getting his share of the black market goodies.

    What makes you think he’s not getting his share?

    He hasn’t used the DPA to compel the major makers of pandemic materiel to produce them at a fixed price.  He “talked to them, and they didn’t want” that.   How do you suppose that conversation went?

    I think it had a phase in which Trump said “I’ll need you to do me a favor …”

    He’s run everything in his life as a protection racket, for his entire life.  It’s all he knows.

  11. 11.

    bbleh

    March 30, 2020 at 6:52 pm

    @A Ghost to Most: They would indeed, but it’s not because they’re “brainwashed.”  Trump is more symptom than cause.

    This is who his base is.  Greedy, suspicious, irrational, angry, awash in resentment and victimhood, and in many cases — though not all — goddam dumb.

  12. 12.

    joel hanes

    March 30, 2020 at 6:52 pm

    @Shrillhouse: 

    No sarcasm tag.
    You’re serious?

  13. 13.

    Annie

    March 30, 2020 at 6:53 pm

    Can Dolt45 Fire Dr. Fauci?  IIRC he runs one of the departments at NIH, but I don’t recall if that’s a presidential appointment or a civil service position.

  14. 14.

    joel hanes

    March 30, 2020 at 6:55 pm

    @Annie:

    The laws haven’t restrained Trump’s conduct in office for a long time now.

  15. 15.

    debbie

    March 30, 2020 at 6:55 pm

    @Baud:

    Tiny Mike DeWine stood up to Trump and got him to override the FDA’s refusal to grant Batelle’s request allowing them to sanitize 80,000 masks per day. He hit his podium with his little fist and got the job done. If that wizened little gnome can do it, so can the rest of us!

  16. 16.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 6:55 pm

    #Thankful pic.twitter.com/xaC9kooDzQ— Ryan Reynolds (@VancityReynolds) March 26, 2020

  17. 17.

    lamh36

    March 30, 2020 at 6:56 pm

    Evening BJ.

    Some news on the NOLA front.

    First, due to a couple of folks in the lab tested positive for COVID. So now we all have to wear masks as a precaution. No one in Micro, but other lab areas that we share a breakroom with. Normally I don’t eat in the breakroom…mainly cause I don’t want to talk to people, but I do eat in breakroom when I work weekends and of course just this past wekend, I ate in the breakroom with one of the recent knownw positives at least once ?.

    Even though we do most of the setup processing of specimend than any other segment of the lab, no one in Micro has tested positive. But then again, we do wash our hands more than any other area of lab and wipe down with bleach wipes more cause of all the microbes. Also, we read cultures in the back of the lab away from core lab, specimens are processed in the vicinity of the core lab up front. So, we don’t have to wear masks while we are in the Micro lab in the back as of right now, just in the common areas

    For anyone who might be surprised that masks weren’t requierd sooner, themajority of the laboratory doesn’t see patients. the only people most of us interact with are each other, especially in Micro.
    Core lab techs do interact with RNs, MDs, etc more than Micro, but rarely patients. The people in the lab that directly interact with patients are phlebotomist and the hospital has decided that the nurses have to do their own blood collection. So the positive folks in the lab likely got the virus elsewhere and not likely patients.

    So anyway, no direct patient care or testing means no need for masks in the lab. The laboratory follows universal precautions 100% of the time, including PPE and in micro, we do not manipulate patient specimen unless we are under a BSC (biological safety cabinet or microbiological safety cabinet) which is established general universal precautions in ANY micro lab.

    Anyhoo, again, We are NOT direct patient care. So majority of us don’t wear mask inside the lab.
    In this case since there are common areas folks share and definitive positive folks, now we have to.

    The silver lining is that they gave us two so one so can use at work and one at home! So I don’t have to worry bout buying one! ??‍♀️

    https://twitter.com/psddluva4evah/status/1244686601004830720

  18. 18.

    lamh36

    March 30, 2020 at 6:57 pm

    @lamh36: A more general update, majority of hospitals in NOLA are full.  My smaller hospital has no beds available, so they have had to open a tent triage in the ER parking area. Patients who come in are triaged, stablized and transported to another hospital, or soon the NOLA convention center, which is being turned into a COVID recovery center.

    New Orleans convention center being turned into coronavirus recovery center https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/490129-new-orleans-convention-center-being-turned-into-coronavirus-recovery-center#.XoJzZVjl_2c.twitter

  19. 19.

    L85NJGT

    March 30, 2020 at 6:57 pm

    There was a quick hit on CBS Evening News that suppliers were waiting for FEMA to tell them where to ship equipment.

  20. 20.

    MattF

    March 30, 2020 at 6:58 pm

    @Annie: Probably. NIH is in Health and Human Services, so Azar could be directed to fire Fauci. It’s… conceivable that Azar would refuse to do that.

  21. 21.

    lamh36

    March 30, 2020 at 6:59 pm

    @lamh36:

    With all the new information and based a bit on personal gut, I’m thinking the effects of the pandemic won’t stop being felt until June at the earliest, August the latest.

    Based solely on my own personal feeling and experience with things, I still think we could see some movement by late April or early to mid-May, but it all depends on the whole flattening the curve and folks actually doing the social distancing effectively

  22. 22.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 30, 2020 at 6:59 pm

    he had the my pillow guy take the podium at the White House today (for context, he’s turned his company out for making masks, but…)

    Aaron Rupar @ atrupar· 1h

    The My Pillow guy Mike Lindell says this: “God gave us grace on November 8, 2016, to change the course we were on. God had been taken out of our schools & lives, a nation had turned its back on God. I encourage you to use this time at home to get back in the word. Read our Bible”

  23. 23.

    WhatsMyNym

    March 30, 2020 at 6:59 pm

    Arizona’s governor seems to be ordering a stay at home.

  24. 24.

    MomSense

    March 30, 2020 at 7:00 pm

    @Shrillhouse:

    GO FUCK YOURSELF

    You should be banned for that, asshole.

  25. 25.

    CaseyL

    March 30, 2020 at 7:00 pm

    If Fauci is expecting to get fired (assuming, pace @Annie, that T* can fire him), I hope Fauci does a last hurrah and coldcocks the Talking Vomit right there on the podium.

  26. 26.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 7:00 pm

    So Hobby Lobby waits til yesterday to close, continually exposing employees and others because “it’s in the hands of god.” Today, they fire people by email. No severance. No insurance. Apparently, God doesn’t want the Greens to use their billions to help their laborers. Grace— Cory Williams (@WilliamsforOK) March 27, 2020

  27. 27.

    randy khan

    March 30, 2020 at 7:00 pm

    @Jay:

    Arithmetic is hard.

    And, to take numbers from Wikipedia, Mt. Sinai has more than 3,000 beds.  Figure 5 beds on average per nurse (more in regular wards, close to 1 per nurse in ICU) and 3 shifts, that’s 1,800 nurses per day who need masks, and of course they have to change them each time they see a patient, so if it is 30 patients per nurse per day, that’s 54,000 masks just at one hospital in one day.

  28. 28.

    Calouste

    March 30, 2020 at 7:01 pm

    Awesome demonstration of social distancing in that picture by the piece of human garbage.

  29. 29.

    joel hanes

    March 30, 2020 at 7:02 pm

    @Shrillhouse:

    I don’t see you putting your life on the line to protect the health of people you don’t know.   Asshole.

    Adam, Cheryl, can we get this account kickbanned?

  30. 30.

    lamh36

    March 30, 2020 at 7:03 pm

    Anyhoo, in non-COVID related news.

    I decided to upgrade my Kindle 7.  So I bought a Kindle 10 last week.  Finally picked it up at UPS store and opened it up.

    I thought I was just buying a Kindle, but it’s an actual Fire tablet. it’s a legit tablet!!! It’s bigger than my Ipad!!!

    My old Kindle I can hold w/one hand and read in bed. This one…??‍♀️??‍♀️??‍♀️

    (Left to Right: new Kindle10, old Kindle7, old IPad Air) https://twitter.com/psddluva4evah/status/1244743074967764992

  31. 31.

    debbie

    March 30, 2020 at 7:04 pm

    @lamh36:

    They’re also using the convention center here, but it will be for non-COVID cases.

  32. 32.

    Shrillhouse

    March 30, 2020 at 7:04 pm

    @joel hanes: No. I am not serious. But, you just know the MAGA crowd believes whatever crazy theory Trump puts out there.

  33. 33.

    debbie

    March 30, 2020 at 7:06 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I don’t need a pillow, but I will boycott that jerk for the rest of my life.

  34. 34.

    Brachiator

    March 30, 2020 at 7:06 pm

    @lamh36:

    Thanks for the inside look at the operations there.

    I hope everything turns out well for those who tested positive.

  35. 35.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 7:07 pm

    @randy khan:

    Arithmetic is hard because the Deep State makes us all use Islamic numbers rather than good Christian ones,……; )

  36. 36.

    debbie

    March 30, 2020 at 7:07 pm

    @CaseyL:

    He’ll be hired immediately by some think tank and given a very large microphone. Assuming he doesn’t want to retire.

  37. 37.

    Martin

    March 30, 2020 at 7:07 pm

    @L85NJGT: Yep. People really don’t get that stuff doesn’t magically get made and into the hands of the people that need it. That needs to be initiated and coordinated, with understanding of logistics, lead times, supply chains, etc.

    It’s complicated but not impossibly hard. But it does require intent and hard work, which is what we lack. Further, it requires delegation of authority, which we also lack. Give me decision and budget authority and shit will get done today. It’s pretty clear that there is only one authority at the federal level right now.

  38. 38.

    NotMax

    March 30, 2020 at 7:08 pm

    “it is going to change for good the perception of who is leading in the world, and it’s not the United States.”

    WaPo: Pompeo’s pandemic performance ensures his place among the worst secretaries of state ever

  39. 39.

    joel hanes

    March 30, 2020 at 7:09 pm

    @Shrillhouse:

    yeah, I went and scanned a dozen of your previous comments, and this seemed completely out of character.

    tone of voice is notoriously an insufficient vehicle for sarcasm on the internet.   perhaps it would be good to give us a more definite clue?    clearly I was not able to correctly make the call.

  40. 40.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 7:10 pm

    @Shrillhouse:

    due to occasional drive by’s by Wilmerites, Branch Covidians and Russian trolls, there is a short hand here for snark.

    there is a snark font, the winky smile or the // at the end of the snark.

  41. 41.

    BobS

    March 30, 2020 at 7:10 pm

    Trump is obviously unaware that the only vestige of credibility his administration has (outside of the cult) is due to Fauci, but if he does get fired, I’d hope (at the very least) he’s provided a forum to do daily press briefings- maybe Cuomo could even hire him as a consultant.

  42. 42.

    Steeplejack

    March 30, 2020 at 7:11 pm

    @lamh36:

    Thanks for your informative “story behind the story.” Stay safe!

  43. 43.

    joel hanes

    March 30, 2020 at 7:11 pm

    @CaseyL:

    Ron Lain was great, but could I wish Biden would get Rear Admiral Zeimer to do some public talking.

    I wonder what keeps Dr. Messionier from publicly spilling what she knows about how this all went down …

  44. 44.

    Chyron HR

    March 30, 2020 at 7:15 pm

    @A Ghost to Most:

    This is about his brainwashed base. If he disappeared, they would latch onto some other slick talking grifter.

    I believe this is central to the argument that “Bernie Woulda Won”.

  45. 45.

    Jinchi

    March 30, 2020 at 7:17 pm

    @MattF: One assumes that Trump is actually voicing resentment that he’s not getting his share of the black market goodies.

    I’m surprised he hasn’t “invoked P” to demand that companies don’t produce masks, so that Ivanka’s clothing line can corner the market.

  46. 46.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 7:17 pm

    Idiots,….. we are going to be social distancing and self quarantining for ever.

    This is incredibly counterproductive. People gathered to watch the US Navy hospital ship dock in New York City.Stay home. Practice social distancing. pic.twitter.com/SOWsdUaOgo— Alexis Benveniste ? (@apbenven) March 30, 2020

  47. 47.

    The Thin Black Duke

    March 30, 2020 at 7:17 pm

    @BobS: Cuomo could even hire him as a consultant

    Or Joe Biden.

  48. 48.

    MisterForkbeard

    March 30, 2020 at 7:18 pm

    @Shrillhouse: You are, generally, kind of a piece of shit. Or at least this comment is.

    That said, my brother (who is an extremely anti-Trump nurse) told me weeks ago that they had to start locking their masks, gloves and wipes away because someone was stealing them. They were pretty sure it was the public, as there were notable cases of assholes coming in and grabbing the entire box of sanitary wipes that were there for individuals to use in the waiting area.

  49. 49.

    Aziz, light!

    March 30, 2020 at 7:19 pm

    From the article: “Trump implied, without evidence, that…’

    Translation: “Trump pulled out of his ass the blatant lie that…”

  50. 50.

    lumpkin

    March 30, 2020 at 7:19 pm

    The pressure is getting to Fauci. His dissembling is getting closer to outright lying.

  51. 51.

    NotMax

    March 30, 2020 at 7:19 pm

    Can’t be limited to just here. Make sure to warn those who might be taken in.

    Scammers are trying to capitalize on coronavirus fears by pretending to be Hawaiian Electric – which serves customers on Maui, Moloka‘i, Lāna‘i, O‘ahu and Hawai‘i Island – and threatening to disconnect customers’ electric service unless “overdue” bills are not paid. Don’t be scammed and please just hang up! Source

  52. 52.

    dmsilev

    March 30, 2020 at 7:20 pm

    Speaking of medicine…

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/30/astrophysicist-gets-magnets-stuck-up-nose-while-inventing-coronavirus-device

    Astrophysicist gets magnets stuck up nose while inventing coronavirus device

    An Australian astrophysicist has been admitted to hospital after getting four magnets stuck up his nose in an attempt to invent a device that stops people touching their faces during the coronavirus outbreak. Dr Daniel Reardon, a research fellow at a Melbourne university, was building a necklace that sounds an alarm on facial contact, when the mishap occurred on Thursday night.

    The 27 year-old astrophysicist, who studies pulsars and gravitational waves, said he was trying to liven up the boredom of self-isolation with the four powerful neodymium magnets. “I have some electronic equipment but really no experience or expertise in building circuits or things,” he told Guardian Australia.

    […]

    “As I was pulling downwards to try and remove the magnets, they clipped on to each other and I lost my grip. And those two magnets ended up in my left nostril while the other one was in my right. At this point I ran out of magnets.” Before attending the hospital, Reardon attempted to use pliers to pull them out, but they became magnetised by the magnets inside his nose. “Every time I brought the pliers close to my nose, my entire nose would shift towards the pliers and then the pliers would stick to the magnet,” he said. “It was a little bit painful at this point.”

    Also, too, yet another demonstration of how ostensibly-intelligent people can do amazingly stupid things.

  53. 53.

    debbie

    March 30, 2020 at 7:21 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    Or Joe Biden.

    Wouldn’t that be a kick in the ass!

  54. 54.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 7:21 pm

    The Book of Faces is still garbage and disifo central,

    The video @toddstarnes took of Brooklyn Hospital's parking lot to claim "what's really going on" is nothing at New York City hospitals has 4 million views and 134K shares on Facebook. It's the same hospital in the viral video of bodies being loaded into a refrigerated truck. pic.twitter.com/j0FO7Gr5Ey— andrew kaczynski? (@KFILE) March 30, 2020

  55. 55.

    lumpkin

    March 30, 2020 at 7:23 pm

     

    @Shrillhouse:

    I dont agree with Trump on most things, but he’s right on this. A lot of those so-called “doctors” probably are stealing masks to sell on Ebay. It’s just that the lamestream media won’t report it…

    This is a vile thing to say.

  56. 56.

    MisterForkbeard

    March 30, 2020 at 7:23 pm

    @lumpkin: Only so much he can do without just screaming “YES! TRUMP IS LYING AND IT’S KILLING PEOPLE”.

    It’s the same problem everyone that works in the administration has. You can’t tell the truth and be a loyal soldier at the same time, because the administration is just incredibly fucking awful in every way.

  57. 57.

    Martin

    March 30, 2020 at 7:24 pm

    @dmsilev: Scientists and engineers are not interchangeable.

  58. 58.

    Jim Parish

    March 30, 2020 at 7:25 pm

    @debbie: It would also be taken as proof that Fauci was a Deep State agent all along.

  59. 59.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 7:26 pm

    The man has a type pic.twitter.com/vlKSLmZrpm— Keith Edwards ? (@keithedwards) March 30, 2020

  60. 60.

    Martin

    March 30, 2020 at 7:27 pm

    @MisterForkbeard: People are dying, in large numbers. We’re long past the time it was necessary to do that.

  61. 61.

    Jinchi

    March 30, 2020 at 7:27 pm

    @lumpkin: This is a vile thing to say.

    I think the phrase “lamestream media” was there to indicate sarcasm.

  62. 62.

    dmsilev

    March 30, 2020 at 7:27 pm

    @Martin: He’s lucky that the only injuries were to his dignity; rare-earth magnets of the sort he was playing with are scary strong and there are all sorts of stories of people getting fingers crushed and the like because they were between a couple of the magnets.

  63. 63.

    MattF

    March 30, 2020 at 7:27 pm

    @dmsilev: You have to be careful with neodymium magnets.

    ETA: As you say.

  64. 64.

    debbie

    March 30, 2020 at 7:28 pm

    @dmsilev:

    There was much merriment in the morning thread about this tale of woe.

  65. 65.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 7:29 pm

    Trump's morning: A long off-the-cuff interview with Fox and Friends followed by a call with Putin.— Philip Bump (@pbump) March 30, 2020

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    lamh36

    March 30, 2020 at 7:29 pm

    COVID-19: How to be a doctor at the end of the world

    https://vascularspecialistonline.com/covid-19-special-how-to-be-a-doctor-at-the-end-of-the-world/

    A interesting read from a NOLA doc

  67. 67.

    NotMax

    March 30, 2020 at 7:29 pm

    FYI.

    Whole Foods Employees Are Staging a Nationwide ‘Sick-Out’

    Workers say they will strike Tuesday because the Amazon subsidiary has failed to prioritize their safety during a period of record sales.

  68. 68.

    MisterForkbeard

    March 30, 2020 at 7:30 pm

    @Martin: Maybe “Trump is lying in order to blame everyone else for the deaths he personally has caused” is better at this point.

  69. 69.

    tokyokie

    March 30, 2020 at 7:31 pm

    Most facilities don’t allow healthcare staff to wear PPE in the hallways because it’s contaminated. That means that every worker, on every visit, to every patient, has to gown up, then dispose of the PPE in the patient’s room before entering the hallway. Think of the last time you were in the hospital, how many times a day a janitor, an aide, a food-service worker, a physical therapy tech, a lab tech getting blood samples, a nurse, a doctor, anybody came into your room. That’s a full set of PPE for each visit. And although that’s supposed to occur with patients with infectious diseases, now it’s every patient on the hallway. When I worked as an aide, I’d use about a 100-count box of disposable gloves per 12-hour shift. Now it’s every staff member going through at least that much for every piece of PPE every shift.

     

    Have some of the staff taken a few N95 masks home for their families to use? No doubt, and I can’t blame them for doing so. (My wife secured me a couple of N95 masks when it looked as though I was going to have to fly to another city a week or so ago.) But selling that stuff on the black market? Like they have the time to do that, even if they could figure out where that black market is.

  70. 70.

    Tony Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 7:31 pm

    You would think, since you’re an actual human being with experience of how other human beings respond to vile bastardy, that the highly paid truthseekers of the Press might respond to the President of the United States openly claiming that doctors and nurses are stealing medical equipment to sell for, I don’t know, drugs or something, by hinting that he is, in fact, a vile bastard.

    But since he’s not a Democrat, the best you can expect is for them to allude to ‘some people’ maybe being offended by the President suggesting that shortages of PPE are exacerbated by the well known problem of black market thievery, because of course that’s what he meant.

    Fuckem. You know it makes sense.

  71. 71.

    cckids

    March 30, 2020 at 7:32 pm

    @MisterForkbeard:

    They were pretty sure it was the public, as there were notable cases of assholes coming in and grabbing the entire box of sanitary wipes that were there for individuals to use in the waiting area.

    I’m sure it was. At the grocery store, where I work, we’ve had to station someone by the cart disinfecting wipes, they were getting stolen 2x a day.  People still get pissy when that person stops them from spooling out 10-20, putting them into a ziplock (which they brought for that purpose) and taking them home.

    Insanity rules.

  72. 72.

    Jinchi

    March 30, 2020 at 7:34 pm

    @lamh36: A more general update, majority of hospitals in NOLA are full.

    I think this is the disconnect for a lot of people. Sitting at home and seeing Trump concoct nonsense, the coronavirus seems almost surreal. But every time I hear from someone working in a hospital, it sounds like a conflagration. I really wish the media would stop covering his daily self-congratulation rallies or his idiotic tweets about winning the ratings war and simply park a camera in the emergency ward of any random hospital.

  73. 73.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 7:35 pm

    GoFundMe’s doing the work of the Federal Government, yet again,

    Hi friends. My sister is currently working at Elmhurst Hospital, the worst-hit in the US. They face a severe shortage of PPE. I am in contact with a company in China that can ship 5,000 KN95 [N95 equivalent] masks in 3-5 business days. But I need your help to raise $. 1/ pic.twitter.com/5uj69aZ4tc— Talia Lavin (@chick_in_kiev) March 30, 2020

    As I wait to receive further confirmation and shipping documents, I donated $1000 from what I received to https://t.co/qInB6bGKuq, a project to get healthcare workers much-needed PPE all over the country. pic.twitter.com/8Ib0kM5kFG— Talia Lavin (@chick_in_kiev) March 30, 2020

  74. 74.

    NotMax

    March 30, 2020 at 7:36 pm

    What about us, Twitter? What about our chief executive? At long last, have you no backbone?

    Twitter removes tweets by Brazil, Venezuela presidents for violating COVID-19 content rules

    Facebook has also removed a video of the Brazilian president Source

  75. 75.

    lumpkin

    March 30, 2020 at 7:37 pm

    @MisterForkbeard: Yeah, I know. Didn’t mean to sound critical of Fauci. I was just pointing out that he must be getting a lot of pressure to stop contradicting trump.

  76. 76.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 7:40 pm

    @cckids:

    we have had “people” steal sanitizer, disinfectant spray bottles, gloves and masks from the cashier stations and employee desks and counters,

    as well as use crowbars to steal the public hand sanitizer from the washrooms and entrances.

    on the otherhand, people are donating tons of PPE to hospitals and first responders.

  77. 77.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 7:43 pm

    First Instacart, then Amazon, now Whole Foods: workers are withholding their labor& demanding dignity.When people work an hourly job, it’s suggested in many ways that you‘re unimportant or expendable.Except you aren’t. Everyone deserves safe work, paid leave, & a living wage. https://t.co/JCC7A6RiUe— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) March 30, 2020

  78. 78.

    senyordave

    March 30, 2020 at 7:44 pm

    @WaterGirl: Trump is a total piece of shit.

    That is what is truly amazing!  Some people are pieces of shit in some specific area of their life – work, home, maybe just when they drive.  Trump is a true Renaissance man – he’s a piece of shit in all areas of life.

  79. 79.

    Martin

    March 30, 2020 at 7:47 pm

    @Jay: I support them, but these are relatively low-skilled jobs in an environment where unemployment could be as high as 20%. Public backlash is literally the only leverage they have. Very risky.

  80. 80.

    LesGS

    March 30, 2020 at 7:50 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I have read the Bible from cover to cover once, and large pieces of it a number of times. It’s one of the things that tilted me into atheism…

  81. 81.

    Mike in NC

    March 30, 2020 at 7:51 pm

    dignity, respect, and empathy

    These are words that Fat Bastard is unfamiliar with. So someone else wrote them.

  82. 82.

    Flea, RN

    March 30, 2020 at 7:51 pm

    Our Emergency Department had to put the N95’s and surgical masks under the Charge Nurse’s desk because visitors were grabbing them by the handful. (We got so low that we were told to wear 1-2 a shift and put the N95 into a paper bag for our next shift)

    So instead of donning one every time I enter a room, I had to first go the desk (or stuff a few into a pocket).

  83. 83.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    March 30, 2020 at 7:53 pm

    It’s always projection with Dump.

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    Martin

    March 30, 2020 at 7:55 pm

    Other bright sides – was just forwarded a photo taken from Huntington Beach where the Hollywood sign is visible. Bet that hasn’t happened since the sign first went up.

    There is some climate change progress getting made.

  85. 85.

    Kayla Rudbek

    March 30, 2020 at 7:55 pm

    @lamh36: and Virginia is now on lockdown until June 10th. At this rate, my office building  is going to look like Miss Havisham’s house.

  86. 86.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 7:56 pm

    "three Asian American family members, including a 2-year-old and 6-year-old, were stabbed … The suspect indicated that he stabbed the family because he thought the family was Chinese, and infecting people with the coronavirus." https://t.co/NotFsLeMEE— Nicole Chung (@nicolesjchung) March 30, 2020

  87. 87.

    Mai naem mobile

    March 30, 2020 at 7:58 pm

    I don’t know what station you guys are watching Orange Douchebags informercial but IIRC CSPAN does not have ratings so watch it on CSPAN not the regular stations where he can say he got the highest ratings evah!

    1. He had the My Pillow guy, the Jockey CEO and the P&G CEO. I’ve been buying Jockey underwear for years. And now it sounds like it’s another conservative wingnut family that owns it. Ugh. And then P&G. Jeezus. I am glad I’ve never been a Tide user. Gonna have to give up Oral B products and febreze. Febreze a good product. I also use Cascade and Bounce but that’s not as hard to replace. I cannot support any fucking company which is embellishing this murderers reputation. You can damn well come up with some BS reason for not showing up. Fuck tell the asshole you’ve got COVID.
  88. 88.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    March 30, 2020 at 8:01 pm

    @Martin: Considering the pics of seen of the air quality back then, it probably wasn’t the case then either.

  89. 89.

    Martin

    March 30, 2020 at 8:03 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: You might be right. But it was remarkable being able to read the sign from a photo. I never thought I’d see that. In fact, I didn’t even realize we had line of sight to it.

  90. 90.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 8:06 pm

    @Martin:

    funny thing, they arn’t low skill jobs. It takes a shit load of a broad range of skills and specific technical knowledge to do these jobs well. It just doesn’t take an expensive degree, although at other times, these employers were demanding expensive degrees.

    currently, all these job positions are short staffed. People are not willing to die for minimum wage. A young friend of my Wife’s was working at an Amazon warehouse, ( longish story), and I got her into my store, full time, $3 more per hour plus benifits, in one 10 minute interview. My Department is supposed to have 4 full timers, 6 part timers, we have 2 full timers, 2 part timers, and we are better staffed than most other departments. Of 120 employees at the store, 80 are using the expanded and accrued benifits to “shelter in place”.

  91. 91.

    Mike in NC

    March 30, 2020 at 8:07 pm

    Not really surprised that the My Pillow asshole is an Evangelical Christian.

  92. 92.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 8:09 pm

    how does trump keep finding doctors that look like this https://t.co/bdPStcXQfr— Cullen Crawford (@HelloCullen) March 30, 2020

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    Miss Bianca

    March 30, 2020 at 8:10 pm

    @lamh36: Glad to hear from you lamh, thanks for your updates, stay safe!

    Poor NOLA. : (

  94. 94.

    Steeplejack

    March 30, 2020 at 8:10 pm

    I gave my friend B. a ride to work at Trader Joe’s at 5:00. Car traffic very light in Ballston and Clarendon (Arlington, VA). Foot traffic not quite as light, mainly because of gorgeous weather—sunny, breezy, 70°—that had people out jogging and walking dogs. Physical distancing sporadic, not many masks visible. I’m picking up B. at 11:00 after her shift. As I said a day or two ago, Metro has closed some train stations and reduced bus service, so it is much harder for her, and other “essential” retail workers, to get to work.

    On my way home I went by my local pub and did curbside pickup of a burger and fries to support them. Gave the server a good tip. Came home, ate that and have eased into the evening, getting caught up on the news of the day.

    I haven’t read much yet, but that My Pillow guy Trump had at his “briefing rally” today (h/t @DDale8) almost makes me want to never use any pillow on my bed ever again. Grr.

  95. 95.

    BobS

    March 30, 2020 at 8:13 pm

    @Flea, RN: We’re labeling the bag that our N-95 masks are placed in with employee#, unit, and hospital (there’s 8 in our network) before sending the bag to CPD where they’re sterilized with heat and UV before being returned to us.

  96. 96.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 8:15 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    the trick is to use your pillow on the My Pillow Guy the same way the winnuts claimed Nancy Smash offed Scalia.

  97. 97.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 8:18 pm

    Sending solidarity to our frontline workers who are striking today.✊? You’re keeping families across America supplied and fed during this pandemic. You deserve hazard pay, safety protocols and so much more.https://t.co/nj0R04BLOd— Ayanna Pressley (@AyannaPressley) March 30, 2020

  98. 98.

    germy

    March 30, 2020 at 8:22 pm

    @Jay:

    Sending solidarity to our frontline workers who are striking today. You’re keeping families across America supplied and fed during this pandemic. You deserve hazard pay, safety protocols and so much more.https://t.co/nj0R04BLOd
    — Ayanna Pressley (@AyannaPressley) March 30, 2020

    I really admire her.

  99. 99.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 30, 2020 at 8:25 pm

    @Mike in NC:

    Not really surprised that the My Pillow asshole is an Evangelical Christian.

    He also gives off a powerful that-boy-ain’t-right vibe

  100. 100.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 8:25 pm

    THREAD 1/ Many people have been saying "thank you" to me for working on #covid19 response

    I've been thinking about this a lot

    There is a lady who cleans the cubicle where I have been working each night- she's there later than I am

    But I'm not sure that anyone has thanked her— Abraar Karan (@AbraarKaran) March 30, 2020

  101. 101.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    March 30, 2020 at 8:25 pm

    @bbleh: They would indeed, but it’s not because they’re “brainwashed.” Trump is more symptom than cause.

    Yes, this.  His Base doesn’t lack agency, they aren’t being compelled at gun point to crowed into those Mega Churches like they did last Sunday.  I know plenty of conservatives who are taking this pandemic seriously.

  102. 102.

    germy

    March 30, 2020 at 8:26 pm

    @Jay:  The My Pillow guy made so many outrageous and dishonest claims about his pillow.  I remember one of his commercials (no longer shown) where he boasted his pillows could cure sleep apnea.

  103. 103.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 30, 2020 at 8:28 pm

    @germy: hey, that amendment about fake witnesses doesn’t say anything about pillows, nor in Two Corinthians.

    That’s the one you like, right?

  104. 104.

    Martin

    March 30, 2020 at 8:34 pm

    So, data update:

    • Italy: still largely flat. So, they’re clearly getting in front of this, but they’re still losing 700ish people a day. No clear downturn. So, lockdown is doing half the job – stopping growth, but we need to see how well it does the job and we’ll see that in the rate of downturn. Case numbers suggest it’ll work okay, I’m just waiting to see it.
    • US: a little below expected. I figured we’d be in the 800 fatality/day rate by now, and we are 511 today. The good news is there wasn’t a shift from yesterday to today in terms of reporting, but no sign of it really slowing either.
    • CA: after 5 days of flat fatalities, we ticked up a bit today to 22 fatalities. In the grand scheme thats still a lot better than where anyone expected by now. I still don’t think LA will blow up like NYC – the lockdown measures should prevent that from happening while we wait for that data to come in.
    • NY: +253. Up from yesterday but the last few days haven’t been exploding like they were a week ago. So, its looking a bit less horrible day by day but it’s still a rate much higher than the nation overall in a function where a slightly higher rate quickly turns into vastly more fatalities.
    • Los Angeles vs Santa Clara. Santa Clara, where we feared things might get out of hand but where social distancing first really went into effect, things continue to look good. LA looks a bit less good, but still a place where things appear to be manageable despite the headlines of rapid hospitalization rate. I don’t think LA will cruise through this, but I don’t think they’ll be pushed beyond their ability to function. But consider LA saw 4 fatalities today, compared to 250 in NY. NY is in a completely different category of bad.

    So, one thing I’ve been looking for in these comparisons is starting to show up. That social distancing short of lockdown has a measurable impact, and that alone may keep us from worst case scenarios. I was thinking CA would end up with 10k or so fatalities by Easter. Now I think that’s down to 1k, and could come in below even that. Not total, mind you, since we may well find ourselves in a protracted  period of dozens of fatalities per day, and who the hell knows about subsequent waves, but in the near term, things look better each day in the states that moved fast. In fact, I’m seeing some evidence of non-lockdown efforts having real benefits.

    I got some local data from my county today and the last two days we had vastly fewer positive cases than the trend we were on, which corresponds to a whole bunch of local decision making that I was part of in response to the bay area lockdown. Even though we didn’t lockdown yet, we threw a pile of lesser measures in place which, should the trend hold, suggests that we materially reduced R0. So to the extent that may have happened around the country – in NYC and elsewhere, we may see everyone or nearly everyone falling off of the model even without those state level lockdowns getting implemented. No question the lack of a lockdown will slow the rate at which things get better. Further, it will significantly complicate efforts to return to normal.

  105. 105.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 30, 2020 at 8:34 pm

    The Hoarse Whisperer@HoarseWispere 
    The Greater Pittsburgh Community Food Bank opened today to dispense food. The line of cars stretched nearly a mile. They reached their capacity of 1,700 families. A week prior, they served 800.

  106. 106.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    March 30, 2020 at 8:34 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: WPWJSO? (What Pillow World Jesus Sleep On?)

    A question that has long vexed theologians.

  107. 107.

    germy

    March 30, 2020 at 8:35 pm

    And now the My Pillow guy is urging us all to return to God and read our Bibles at home, as we realize how amazing Trump's glorious leadership has been, and no, I am absolutely not kidding, and my God, we are all going to die.
    — Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) March 30, 2020

  108. 108.

    japa21

    March 30, 2020 at 8:36 pm

    @germy: There is a reason the BBB revoked his accreditation and gave him an F rating.

  109. 109.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 30, 2020 at 8:37 pm

    Sister Stephanie testifies to the godliness of Donald J trump.

  110. 110.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    March 30, 2020 at 8:39 pm

    @Jay:

    Hmm, good point. ?

  111. 111.

    lamh36

    March 30, 2020 at 8:41 pm

    ‪’Lab workers are heroes’: What it’s like to be on front lines of coronavirus testing

    https://www.today.com/health/how-does-coronavirus-testing-work-how-labs-process-covid-19-t176985 via @TODAYshow‬

  112. 112.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    March 30, 2020 at 8:45 pm

    @Martin: No love for Mono County, the worst hit county in California with 13 cases out of a population 14,000?

    Peak Virus is supposed to be April the 15th and if these numbers hold for Cal will be upsetting as apposed to horrifying.

  113. 113.

    Martin

    March 30, 2020 at 8:46 pm

    AZ head of Emergency Management quit because the state isn’t following the state emergency plan, which her agency creates and implements.

  114. 114.

    Martin

    March 30, 2020 at 8:50 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: 13 cases is still 13 cases. We don’t know how much of that is community spread, and how much is an extended family returning from a cruise. So, I try to not focus on the lower population areas because those ratios get very deceiving very quickly.

    Peak virus may be April 15 for the nation, but CA is a good week or more ahead of most of the nation.

  115. 115.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 8:51 pm

    @germy:

    they do “cure” sleep apnea, if used properly.

    they also “cure” stupid, Republicanism. Branch Covidism,

    but only if pressed down firmly, long enough.

  116. 116.

    Barbara

    March 30, 2020 at 8:51 pm

    @Jay: Given the circumstances, HCWs need masks for every patient, not just those already diagnosed with an infectious disease, as would be normal. The sheer scale is many times worse than he imagines and is made even worse BECAUSE WE STILL CAN’T TEST EVERYBODY.

  117. 117.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 8:54 pm

    What does Inuit culture say about hoarding?In the old days during times of famine anyone caught hoarding even a little was heavily punished/shunned. Why? Hoarding lets you live a little longer, so when there's only dead bodies around you and no food, you might be tempted1/3— Daniel-Nikpayuk (@Daniel_Nikpayuk) March 28, 2020

    and become a cannibal. This might sound crude, but if I had died of starvation what would I care if some jerk I once knew became a cannibal?It is the greatest shame above all else to have a cannibal come from your community. What if this person then lived long enough to be2/3— Daniel-Nikpayuk (@Daniel_Nikpayuk) March 28, 2020

  118. 118.

    Jay

    March 30, 2020 at 8:55 pm

    found by another community?Inuit are civilized: We would not want to inflict such a person upon anyone else. Cannibals cannot be trusted because you can never know if they see you as meat.The hoarding that comes with capitalism isn't cannibalism, but it's not far off.3/3— Daniel-Nikpayuk (@Daniel_Nikpayuk) March 28, 2020

  119. 119.

    germy

    March 30, 2020 at 9:02 pm

    Christian Siriano, Brandon Maxwell and Prada are among the growing number of fashion brands using their sewing skills to make masks and medical gowns during the coronavirus pandemic https://t.co/XfhHm2LSSt— The Hollywood Reporter (@THR) March 24, 2020

    And yet it was the My Pillow guy who got the invite from the president…

  120. 120.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    March 30, 2020 at 9:04 pm

    @germy: also Brooks Brothers and I think I saw Levi’s

  121. 121.

    cain

    March 30, 2020 at 9:22 pm

    @L85NJGT:

    95% to Florida and other red states and 4% to everywhere else, and 1% for Trump to keep and stash

  122. 122.

    Shalimar

    March 30, 2020 at 9:29 pm

    @japa21: And My Pillow responded by saying they don’t recognize the Better Business Bureau as a legitimate company.  Very Trumpian.

  123. 123.

    Barbara

    March 30, 2020 at 9:34 pm

    @lamh36: Good article. Stay safe.

  124. 124.

    Ksmiami

    March 30, 2020 at 9:41 pm

    @Jay: gallows or firing squad- January 21, 2021- all of them Katie.

  125. 125.

    ziggy

    March 30, 2020 at 10:13 pm

    @Martin: I’m wondering if the overall youth and health of some of the highly affected areas (such as California and Washington) has made a big difference, as opposed to the older population in Italy. My suspicion (believe it is borne out in some studies) is that those who are quite sick (generally older) shed much more virus than those who have less severe symptoms. That is why the nursing homes have become such disaster areas, even for the workers. The lockdowns are keeping those asymptomatic or lightly symptomatic people from contacting more vulnerable older people, who show up in the deaths. That seems to me an important part of the equation that we somehow need to keep in place while easing up.

  126. 126.

    Martin

    March 30, 2020 at 10:16 pm

    @ziggy: Sort of. It’ll affect fatality rates, since we know that’s tied to age, and hospitalizations, but it shouldn’t necessarily affect rate of spread – except for how age relates to mobility.

    Nursing homes are a special case – like universities. They are designed around social interaction, so they’re absolutely the hardest places to control.

  127. 127.

    laura

    March 30, 2020 at 10:25 pm

    @Martin: no, these are not unskilled jobs – and if you haven’t worked in a grocery store, you may have nonworking knowledge of the hard and soft skills necessary to work a well oiled machine of moving inventory from hundreds of sources and self life and the privilege of serving the public. 20 years of bagging checking working the night crew, the office, receiving, produce and leading a crew makes me push back hard on anyone who might demean or dismiss what ot actually takes. Get robbed a few times by the brash and the desperate. Try and extend dignity to customers while they experience the scorn and the degradation of the makers dressing down the takers and their children.

    All work is worthy of respect. Don’t presume to dismiss the work of others. Don’t look down on those who perform the simple tasks you believe are beneath you. Try a little tenderness for fucks sake. Honor labor along with the laborer. Give us bread and give us roses.

  128. 128.

    Mary G

    March 30, 2020 at 10:25 pm

    BREAKING: A Texas judge appointed by George W. Bush just sided with abortion clinics who were challenging the state's order to halt abortions during the #covid19 pandemic. The state is banned from enforcing the order for the next couple week while the lawsuit continues in court.— Alice Miranda Ollstein (@AliceOllstein) March 30, 2020

  129. 129.

    Barbara

    March 30, 2020 at 10:30 pm

    @Martin: Epicenter in Maryland and Virginia is in nursing homes, similar to Washington State. That is why both governors and Mayor of DC have doubled down on the stay home orders this week. They stopped all visitors before they had a reported case and they are still seeing widespread infection.

  130. 130.

    ziggy

    March 30, 2020 at 10:56 pm

    @Barbara: Just read in the news about ANOTHER nursing home infected, this time on Whidbey Island (near Seattle). I’ve lost track of how many nursing homes in the Seattle area have been hit by Covid (each one with multiple cases), it must be over 2 dozen by now! There’s got to be a way to get a handle on this, we need instant testing now for them.

  131. 131.

    Chris T.

    March 30, 2020 at 11:30 pm

    @senyordave: That’s how he managed to cause an entire country to run out of TP.

  132. 132.

    sempronia

    March 31, 2020 at 4:19 am

    I am a frontline md in a major Bay Area hospital, and we are thus far still under capacity [crosses fingers, knocks wood]. Everyone’s greatest fear was that we would be the calamitous war zone that New York City is currently, but we have not had to execute the drastic flex plans that we’ve had in place. We are sending lots of stable people home with COVID-19 – the ER staff and radiologists can tell by now who has it based on clinical presentation alone, but we can’t test anyone unless they’re being admitted to the hospital. So numbers are vastly under-reported. You can’t get PPE except from the unit charge nurse – they’re all locked up because people were stealing them (probably a combination of staff and public, really). We have one N95 per shift, although hospital admin says they are following CDC guidelines. These change daily, but last I heard it was one mask per 5 patient encounters (keep the same mask if they’re COVID-19 positive, use a different one if they’re PUIs). Pretty sure we’re not following this. We’re very very very low on PAPR hoods (battery powered filter sets for aerosol isolation), and nurses are sharing them, which seems like a terrible idea.

     

    My professional society’s official discussion boards are populated half by frontline people warning everyone else to get ready and half with Trumpian jackasses complaining about the effect of the shutdown on the economy and about blue states closing gun stores. My own partners are all deep-blue liberals, thankfully, and I sometimes forget why I hate most surgeons, but the boards remind me.

     

    @Martin: thanks for the daily trend updates – they are much appreciated. Please note that the new-case curves may be flattening, but the area under the curve is what will kill hospitals for the next few months. Each patient stays maybe 1-2 weeks, and longer if they are really sick (avg 2 weeks on a ventilator), and older folks will most likely need to be discharged to a nursing/rehab facility, not home. No rehab place will take a COVID-19 pt without two negative tests, and some won’t take them at all. So the length of stay just increases. Hospitals may still be inundated – it just might take longer to get there.

  133. 133.

    PAM Dirac

    March 31, 2020 at 7:29 am

    @MattF: @Annie: 

    Can Dolt45 Fire Dr. Fauci? IIRC he runs one of the departments at NIH, but I don’t recall if that’s a presidential appointment or a civil service position.

    Director of NIAID is not a presidential appointment, it is appointed by the NIH Director. NIH Director is a presidential appointment, currently held by Francis Collins. The orange fart cloud could certainly tell Collins to fire Fauci, but I have personally seen Collins stand up to political bull shit before and I would not be surprised if Collins would refuse. Of course then Collins could get the boot, but I’m really not sure if they could get anyone in there to go along. In any case, I am almost certainly that Fauci has career civil service protection, which means that they could remove him as NIAID Director, but he would still be a federal employee at his present salary unless they went though civil service procedures.

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