Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Black Jesus loves a paper trail.

The revolution will be supervised.

New McCarthy, same old McCarthyism.

Jesus, Mary, & Joseph how is that election even close?

A thin legal pretext to veneer over their personal religious and political desires

T R E 4 5 O N

Republicans seem to think life begins at the candlelight dinner the night before.

Republicans are the party of chaos and catastrophe.

Let’s not be the monsters we hate.

My years-long effort to drive family and friends away has really paid off this year.

🎶 Those boots were made for mockin’ 🎵

I’ve spoken to my cat about this, but it doesn’t seem to do any good.

if you can’t see it, then you are useless in the fight to stop it.

That’s my take and I am available for criticism at this time.

They are lying in pursuit of an agenda.

Pessimism assures that nothing of any importance will change.

You can’t love your country only when you win.

Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.

Not all heroes wear capes.

I was promised a recession.

Accused of treason; bitches about the ratings. I am in awe.

The arc of history bends toward the same old fuckery.

Good lord, these people are nuts.

We still have time to mess this up!

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COVID-19 Coronavirus Update (Domestic) – Tuesday/Wednesday, April 7/8

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Even the ‘conservatives’ are beginning to suspect the Oval Office Occupant’s “explanations”…


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  2. 2.

    mrmoshpotato

    Fwiw, I think we’ll eventually learn that we’re significantly undercounting the deaths right now.

    How big of a fuck up is Dump’s bastard administration?  Well, Jonah Goldberg, the author of Liberal Fascism ??, is going, “Ummmm, these morons are probably lowballing the death count by – a lot.”

    (And WordPress can apparently italicize emojis.)

  3. 3.

    Betty Cracker

    Josh Marshall posted about a theory that’s getting some attention in medical circles regarding COVID-19 treatment. The post embeds a video from a NYC doctor who says they’re using pneumonia treatment protocols but patients are presenting with symptoms that resemble hypoxia more than pneumonia. Fascinating.

  4. 4.

    Chyron HR

    It’s emerged that a White House adviser circulated a memo in late January warning of a potential coronavirus pandemic, which Trump says he didn’t see.

    *didn’t understand.

  8. 8.

    Betty Cracker

    My sister and sister-in-law, both clinicians who are waiting for the COVID-19 hospital onslaught in Florida (estimated two to three weeks), sent this forward from a fellow ER doc to distribute to skeptics:

    I like the way this ER doctor explains our current Covid 19 situation:

    COVID is not a flu. Not even a little. Here are reasons why:

    1. It is a separate species. It is no more like influenza than you are like a hippo. DIFFERENT SPECIES.

    2. It is an airborne virus. This means the tiny droplets can stay in the air for a full 2 hours. So if a person coughed in aisle 4 of Target 1.5 hours ago, they may be home now but their covid cloud is still hanging there just waiting for you to walk by and take a breath. Influenza is not an airborne virus. It is droplet spread- meaning someone has to directly crop dust you with their sneeze to get you sick. Covid is much more contagious.

    3. Covid is more virulent. Virulence factor is a measure of how catchy something is. For example, the flu is like beer. It takes a bunch to get you drunk. Covid is more like tequila – A little goes a long way. You need to suck up a lot of flu particles to actually catch the flu; with covid, even a few particles is enough to infect you.

    4. Covid has a longer incubation than the flu. When you catch the flu, you typically get sick in the next 1-2 days. This is awesome because it means you stay at home while contagious because you feel like a heap of fried garbage. Covid has a blissful 5-9 days of symptom free time during which you are well enough to head to the movies, gym or mar-a-lago while also being contagious enough to infect everyone you encounter.

    5. Covid has a longer duration of illness than flu. With covid, you have a 5-9 days of blissful asymptomatic contagiousness. This then turns into about 1 week of cough and overall feeling like hell but still surviving. Week 2 is when things hit the fan and people end up unable to breathe and on a ventilator. Many stay on the vent for up to 15 days. 5 days incubating+7 kinda sick days + 15 days on a ventilator makes for 27 days of virus spreading illness, (assuming your don’t just die of massive asphyxiation and body-wide collapse from overwhelming infection somewhere in that last week).The flu has an average incubation of 1-2 days and sick time of 7 days for a total of 9 infectious days. In the world of deadly viruses, that 18 extra days might as well be a millennia.

    6. Covid is more deadly. A LOT more deadly. The flu has about a 0.2% mortality rate, meaning 2 of every thousand people who get sick with flu will die. On the contrary, the death rate from covid is reportedly 2%, so 10 times more deadly than flu. Ten times more death seems like a lot more death to me. Whats more worrisome is that 2% is actually incorrect because it doesn’t kill kids so that skews the average. With covid, age is a major factor in survival. If we don’t include people under 30, the death rate for adults is on average 4.5%. 9 out of every 200 adults that get this will die from it. Do you know 200 adults? Do you think losing 9 of them is no big deal? Since mortality increases with age in covid, the risk gets worse as you get older so if we put 100 grannies in a room with covid, only 85 would make it out alive to make pies and tell great stories of the old days… and that just sucks.

    I hope that helps to clarify is why covid is in no way a flu, why you are in no way a hippo, and why staying home is the only way for non-essential people to do their part while I spend my days at work covered in a plastic poncho, sucking air through a stuffy respirator mask, leaving my scrubs in my driveway, showering the covid off at 4am when I get in, and thinking to myself “now do u still think it was just a flu?” as I risk my own life with my face 2 inches from their highly contagious, gasping mouth while I slide the plastic tube down their throat and start up the ventilator.

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    Geminid

    I made it by a Kroger’s Sunday and they had brown rice for the first time in three weeks. I’m hoping the folks who’ve been buying so much actually cook it up and eat it. Brown rice is kind of an acquired taste, but once you get into it a lot of healthy eating options open up.

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    Central Planning

    @mrmoshpotato: quoting your quote:

    Fwiw, I think we’ll eventually learn that we’re significantly undercounting the deaths right now.

    My aunt died of COVID-19 related pneumonia. I was not close to her and hadn’t seen her in probably 30 years.

    Anyway, the assisted living home (dementia) she was in claimed they didn’t have any COVID-19 people there. My cousin FORCED a test on my aunt which came back positive. Un. Fucking. Believable. My cousin (and spouse and kids) are now quarantined because of a visit to my aunt a day before she passed. Thankfully my cousin had the smarts to wear a mask and gloves, and the home did provide a surgical gown.

    We are seriously undercounting those infected as well as the deaths caused by COVID-19.

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    Central Planning

    @Betty Cracker:

    6. Covid is more deadly. A LOT more deadly. The flu has about a 0.2% mortality rate, meaning 2 of every thousand people who get sick with flu will die. On the contrary, the death rate from covid is reportedly 2%, so 10 times more deadly than flu. Ten times more death seems like a lot more death to me. Whats more worrisome is that 2% is actually incorrect because it doesn’t kill kids so that skews the average. With covid, age is a major factor in survival. If we don’t include people under 30, the death rate for adults is on average 4.5%. 9 out of every 200 adults that get this will die from it. Do you know 200 adults? Do you think losing 9 of them is no big deal? Since mortality increases with age in covid, the risk gets worse as you get older so if we put 100 grannies in a room with covid, only 85 would make it out alive to make pies and tell great stories of the old days… and that just sucks.

    While COVID-19 scares the hell out of me, those odds make me feel better about my survival chances if I get it. I’m still terrified about what happens if my wife or kids get it. None of those odds make us want to leave the house if we can help it.

    The logical part of my brain says we’ll probably be OK, and that part is still winning. I’m not one to panic, and hopefully I’ll stay that way.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    That’s amusing that Newsome sent the ventilators on a California Air National Guard flight so Trump’s boot lickers couldn’t hijack it.

    The snake oil testing in a Texan rest homes by a Trump toady sounds like something out of a horror story. My God.

  15. 15.

    chopper

    @Geminid:

    it’s hilarious cause most people screw up brown rice. unless you’ve got a rice cooker. alton brown has an easy oven-based method that works too.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Central Planning: Worth keeping in mind

    a) I know a 92 year old man who survived flue blown virus with out hospitalization, though he is still recovering.

    b) We’re not just under-counting the deaths, we have no idea of how many people have been infected and the virus ran it course with little or no symptoms.  Those people will block transmission.

  17. 17.

    charon

    @Betty Cracker:

    I have been looking for the link, can’t find it but I saw a research paper  that says the virus damages hemoglobin and interferes with the blood’s ability to carry oxygen, which in turn puts stress on lungs to try to cope with that.

  19. 19.

    Geminid

    @chopper:

     

    @chopper: How do you screw up brown rice? People have been cooking brown rice for many centuries without these newfangled “rice cookers.” Requires attention, but not much.

  20. 20.

    The Moar You Know

    I have been looking for the link, can’t find it but I saw a research paper  that says the virus damages hemoglobin and interferes with the blood’s ability to carry oxygen, which in turn puts stress on lungs to try to cope with that.

    @charon: not at all how it works.

    Goes right after the epithelial cells in your lungs.  Which is bad.  Then most people have an inflammatory response to that.  That is worse but normal.  Some people have an extreme inflammatory response to it, the body’s immune system starts attacking the lung tissue as well, thinking it’s the virus (to such an immune system, it looks exactly the same) and pardon the gruesome description, but they drown in their own blood and destroyed lung tissue.  1 in 20 people (approx) who get this will die this way.

    This is well documented.  One of the few things we know for certain about this virus is how it kills you.

  22. 22.

    L85NJGT

    There are lots of private ambulance companies. They do non EMS runs like hospital to hospital moves, provide EMTs for events, that sort of shit. A lot of moving the elderly around. They also make for spare system capacity for surge events. Dystopian is running Red Cross volunteers to death, which is what’s going on in Northern Italy.

  23. 23.

    ziggy

    @The Moar You Know: Could possibly be both things happening. So much new information is coming out about the virus every day, so many new studies. But we still don’t have a clear picture of how it is killing people, some things still don’t make sense.

  24. 24.

    charon

    @The Moar You Know:

    <BLOCKQUOTE>This is well documented.  One of the few things we know for certain about this virus is how it kills you.</BLOCKQUOTE>

    This is up at TPM right now:

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/possible-developments-in-the-treatment-of-critical-covid-19-2

    <BLOCKQUOTE>In this context, Dr. Kyle-Sidell’s video was widely shared and has garnered intense interest. <b>It is buttressed by some very interesting laboratory data that suggests that COVID interacts with hemoglobin in a way that could explain both the hypoxia and other diffuse clinical manifestations of the disease ~ i.e., there is some plausible biochemistry supporting the clinical observation.</b> We will see whether this line of thought goes anywhere but my impression is that many physicians are starting to think along these lines.</BLOCKQUOTE>

    So apparently you are not right.

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