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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / These People Are Monsters (Again): “Protecting” America’s Food Source(r)s

These People Are Monsters (Again): “Protecting” America’s Food Source(r)s

by Anne Laurie|  April 28, 20206:25 pm| 109 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., COVID-19 Coronavirus, Show Us on the Doll Where the Invisible Hand Touched You, Trumpery, MONSTERS

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First caveat: Trump’s executive orders have only as much force as the people implementing them. He can claim, for the cameras, that Tyson will be immune from any incidental loss of life related to keeping the KFC supply lines speeding… but if I’m a Tyson corporate lawyer, I’m gonna want to see something more legally binding. Given that…

BREAKING NEWS: Trump executive order will mandate various meat/egg processing plants stay open. Trump had signaled in Oval minutes ago he'd sign an EO today aimed at Tyson Foods's liability. The order, though, will not be limited to Tyson, I'm told.https://t.co/0J6n10JNrD

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) April 28, 2020

He can order them to open but what if no one shows up? Will natl guard operate?

— Jennifer Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) April 28, 2020

"GET OFF THAT VENTILATOR AND SLICE UP SOME MORE BACON!!!"

— Pé (@4everNeverTrump) April 28, 2020

My guess: This is where the Federalist and various Koch ‘think’ tanks suggest the importation of prison labor. Anyone wanna bet against me on that?

So, chicken and pork are important enough to employ the Defense Production Act to force their continued production, but #covid19 tests, masks, gloves, face shields and other #personalprotectiveequipment are not. And will @POTUS send @OSHA_DOL to protect these workers' lives?

— Seth D. Harris (@MrSethHarris) April 28, 2020

Just last week he said the food supply was in great shape ? pic.twitter.com/ssIgKxOlzE

— snow〽️anomics? (@snowmanomics) April 28, 2020

He can’t let McDonalds close down. https://t.co/8iEkI4t2KJ

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) April 28, 2020


Trump is aggressively using the defense Production Act to keep meatpacking plants open.

Maybe someone should tell him to use the DPA to require massive production of PPE because if there’s not enough PPE for everyone that McDonalds will have to close all its stores nationally.

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) April 28, 2020

Can’t fail an inspection when all the inspectors are out sick!

Inspectors are sick and dying pic.twitter.com/cmPpTmirnr

— Lola (@lmnysf) April 28, 2020

And a lot of them are working in those locations bc the companies recruited them to move to isolated towns. The Somalis in Dodge City KS were lured there by the companies in need of labor who wanted a steady workforce. https://t.co/oYD1y6z0ym

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) April 28, 2020

This is a good piece. But one important piece of the story is missing: movement of meat packing from states w strong unions to places like Dodge City, KS. 1980 meat packing was heavily unionized, & a secure working/middle class job. By 2000 unionized plants had almost all closed https://t.co/WdrM1h1FVt

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) April 28, 2020

11) Stated agriculture workers are "essential" and instead of providing them PPE or advocating any additional legal status, worked to allow companies to pay them less. https://t.co/5jsHTuBOJ7

— Todd Schulte (@TheToddSchulte) April 28, 2020

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  1. 1.

    JMG

    April 28, 2020 at 6:28 pm

    Wildcat strikes where workers smash the machinery on the way out the door might do wonders. I mean, if you’re told “work and die we don’t care” why should you care what happens?

  2. 2.

    ArchTeryx

    April 28, 2020 at 6:29 pm

    Dead thread redemption repost:

    One of the findings is that the virus binds to ACE-2, which is structurally similar to CD146, a T-cell receptor. If it infects T-cells, building memory could be… difficult. It also can have an asymptomatic latent stage, quite unlike most CoV strains if I recall correctly.

    If this thing infects and disables immune cells, then we’re in very deep shit, because we WON’T get strong herd immunity. That being said, it’s still early in the research cycle and everyone is burning their candles at both ends, so YMMV.

    ( And despite training for half my life to research RNA viruses and clinical virology, I’m sitting at home with my thumb up my ass because bioscience is so infested with cronyism and corruption that I, lacking connections, can’t even get a job during a historic pandemic. )

  3. 3.

    JPL

    April 28, 2020 at 6:30 pm

    I haven’t bought Tyson in years, so it might be important to keep track of companies that choose to kill people along with the chickens.

  4. 4.

    Chip Daniels

    April 28, 2020 at 6:35 pm

    And you can rest assured that your Tyson Chicken will be duly sprayed with droplets of sputum and mucus.

  5. 5.

    JMG

    April 28, 2020 at 6:36 pm

    @JPL:  Trouble is, they process for a lot of other brands, notably store brands. So unless you can buy Bell & Evans where you live, hard to tell who you’re supporting.

  6. 6.

    debbie

    April 28, 2020 at 6:40 pm

    Trump will divert most of the supply straight to his own belly.

    In other pathetic news, DeWine has already capitulated to the assholes and has decided masks shouldn’t be mandatory after all.

  7. 7.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 28, 2020 at 6:40 pm

    I want to see exactly what's in the DPA Executive Order before jumping to conclusions. I'll just say for now that the DPA *does* have a *remarkably broad* immunity provision for anyone acting in compliance with (even unlawful) orders issued under the DPA:https://t.co/t6fbHP7lMv pic.twitter.com/t1rzwWrL92

    — Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) April 28, 2020

  8. 8.

    chopper

    April 28, 2020 at 6:40 pm

    “so, i need y’all to come back to work. we don’t have any masks or any of that shit, but we did cut your pay”

  9. 9.

    Adam L Silverman

    April 28, 2020 at 6:44 pm

    @ArchTeryx: USAJOBS has a section set aside to higher people to deal with COVID-19. Have you give it a look?

  10. 10.

    Mnemosyne

    April 28, 2020 at 6:45 pm

    I had the same question as Rubin: if the problem is that the employees are afraid to come to work and there aren’t enough people to keep up with production, what’s the plan? Round them up and force them into the factories at gunpoint?

  11. 11.

    Emerald

    April 28, 2020 at 6:47 pm

    If they intend to force the workers to work, absent prison labor, then they absolutely will not be approving any $2,000 monthly payments to us peons, as Canada is doing.

    Yeah, you probably will go to work and work sick if that’s your only source of income. I think that $1,200 payment is about the last we’re gonna see.

  12. 12.

    germy

    April 28, 2020 at 6:48 pm

    I am confused. I thought it was safe to go back to work? Why does my boss need liability protection?

    (LGM reader comment)

  13. 13.

    germy

    April 28, 2020 at 6:50 pm

    Democratic leaders are panning Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s offer to marry new liability protections with aid to state and city governments, signaling a tough fight ifor Congress’ next round of coronavirus aid.

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said in an interview on Monday afternoon that he is “going to insist” that providing liability protections to businesses and employees be part of the next bill that will provide billions to local governments. But Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) may not go along.

  14. 14.

    hells littlest angel

    April 28, 2020 at 6:58 pm

    Imagine a man who wakes up in the morning and asks himself, “How can I be an even shittier human being today than I was yesterday?”

  15. 15.

    Roger Moore

    April 28, 2020 at 7:01 pm

    So, Trump is willing to use the DPA to protect meat production but not healthcare workers or ordinary citizens.  We can see exactly where his priorities are.

  16. 16.

    germy

    April 28, 2020 at 7:01 pm

    When Jared Kushner shows us who he is, we should believe him.

    “I told Jared that if Trump won a second term, he wouldn’t have to worry about running again and you can really help people. Jared just looked at me and said, ‘I don’t care about any of that.’”

    — Adam Rifkin ? (@ifindkarma) April 28, 2020

  17. 17.

    RSA

    April 28, 2020 at 7:01 pm

    @germy: It’s kind of scary, living in a failed state.

  18. 18.

    catclub

    April 28, 2020 at 7:09 pm

    @Roger Moore: So, Trump is willing to use the DPA to protect meat production but not healthcare workers or ordinary citizens. We can see exactly where his priorities are.

     

    There was  a huge immigration raid at meat and chicken processing plants in Mississippi last summer.  I wonder if Trump knows about that.

  19. 19.

    catclub

    April 28, 2020 at 7:11 pm

    @Emerald: If they intend to force the workers to work, absent prison labor, then they absolutely will not be approving any $2,000 monthly payments to us peons, as Canada is doing.

     

    Essential worker bonus pay.  Somehow I doubt it will be available for the non-citizens working at those plants.

  20. 20.

    oldster

    April 28, 2020 at 7:13 pm

    It’s only going to take one instance of meat-to-consumer transmission to create a general boycott of meat in grocery stores.

    Worse than that: it’s only going to take a few Facebook rumors of meat-to-consumer transmission.

    If the consumers won’t buy it, then the stores won’t carry it. And then the factories will have a lot of dead meat on their hands. Both animal and human.

  21. 21.

    TS (the original)

    April 28, 2020 at 7:13 pm

    @germy:

    McConnell wants to deny the aid – this is how he blames the democrats for such a denial.

  22. 22.

    mali muso

    April 28, 2020 at 7:16 pm

    This is when having a close family member who raises chickens on her land is a very good thing.  She’s already promised me some of the flock for my freezer.  In the meantime, may as well start the plan to phase out meat in our diet.

  23. 23.

    Snarki, child of Loki

    April 28, 2020 at 7:19 pm

    If we just render the MAGAts into Pink Slime, a lot of the Karmavirus problems will be much easier to solve, just saying.

  24. 24.

    trollhattan

    April 28, 2020 at 7:19 pm

    My guess: This is where the Federalist and various Koch ‘think’ tanks suggest the importation of prison labor. Anyone wanna bet against me on that?

    They make up a good portion of wildland firefighters every season so if we’re having a meat emergency….

    “Hey, I get to work on the killing floor.”

    “No you don’t, I get to.”

    “Oh yeah?”

    “Yeah!”

    And, scene.

  25. 25.

    kindness

    April 28, 2020 at 7:21 pm

    So when these sick factory workers sneeze all over your meat cuts and you get one that isn’t properly cooked does that mean you can get covid-19 for eating such meat?

    Questions need answers.

  26. 26.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    April 28, 2020 at 7:21 pm

    @debbie:

    In other pathetic news, DeWine has already capitulated to the assholes and has decided masks shouldn’t be mandatory after all.

    Yup, read that too. I’m pissed. DeWine still has an R after his name. I also think’s too soon to be opening up as well. I’m worried he’s going to piss away all of the sacrifices of this lockdown

  27. 27.

    Bruuuuce

    April 28, 2020 at 7:24 pm

    Force manufacturers to make PPE? Why? The market will cover it (and then we can steal their production and profit from it). But threaten the supply of hamberders? Good grief, no!

    John Adams: Jefferson, we’re back, and we’ve got Maryland. That is we will, as soon as Chase gets through telling the Maryland Assembly what we saw in New Brunswick, huh?

    Dr. Benjamin Franklin: He’s in Annapolis right now, describing a ragtag collection of provincial militiamen who couldn’t drill together, train together, or march together. But when a flock of ducks flew over, and they saw their first meal in three full days, sweet Jesus, could they shoot together. It was a slaughter.

    John Adams: A slaughter.

  28. 28.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    April 28, 2020 at 7:25 pm

    @JMG: I imagine if it gets bad it enough it would be “screw this, I an’t dying” and a lot of the work force fleeing. I’ve talked to people who’ve been in failed states like Somalia and the locals are used to packing up and running when things go bad.

  29. 29.

    Bruuuuce

    April 28, 2020 at 7:26 pm

    Also, too, just when you think they REALLY can’t get any worse: Trump says coronavirus bailouts for New York contingent on ending ‘sanctuary’ immigration policies

  30. 30.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    April 28, 2020 at 7:29 pm

    @TS (the original): Turtle just wants to deny, that’s all he knows how to do.

  31. 31.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    April 28, 2020 at 7:32 pm

    No way the Supreme Court upholds this mandate.

    If the government can force a meat plant to stay open then they can force you to eat broccoli.

  32. 32.

    ArchTeryx

    April 28, 2020 at 7:33 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I have.  The obstacle (besides the fact that very few are research positions) is that I’d have to move on no money in the middle of the pandemic.  There’s nothing federal in Albany, NY, and nobody pays relocation any more, or helps you with it in any way.  That’s a *HUGE* obstacle to someone like me, living on the edge as is.

    If they were truly serious, they’d fly me down to New York City, put me in a hotel suite, and stick me in a lab.  But nothing about the Trump administration is serious, and the senior scientists running NIH and NIAID are nearly as big a joke as he is (save for the clinical M.D.s)

    I was interviewed for a STATE (New York State) DOH position, but the interview was so bad faith it was laughable: The senior investigators were just looking for a fall guy to dig them out of their own COVID-19 test hole and it was blatantly obvious they intended to fire them as soon as they dug them out.  A willingness to violate pretty much every PEF civil service guideline was something they didn’t even bother hiding.   However, it quickly got rendered moot when the entire state shut down.  AFAIK, they didn’t hire anyone before all the hiring managers and lower level paper pushers headed for the hills.

    If  it wasn’t for the hundreds of thousands of innocents (and not so innocent) that are going to die, my default response would be “You built this rotting house.  Burn, baby, burn.”  Instead, all I am these days is deeply, deeply depressed and despondent.

  33. 33.

    trollhattan

    April 28, 2020 at 7:34 pm

    @kindness:

    I’d be more concerned about norovirus, the virus that keeps me away from cruise lines. (Or any of the myriad foodborne illnesses.)

  34. 34.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    April 28, 2020 at 7:35 pm

    Trump EO is just more Trump grandstanding anyway; food production is an essential service in every quartinite order I’ve seen.  Even in the Blue States like California the meat packing plants are still open. It’s just Trump jerking his meat , if you will, in public to look like he is doing something while the states sort it out, rather than doing something.

  35. 35.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 28, 2020 at 7:35 pm

    My guess: This is where the Federalist and various Koch ‘think’ tanks suggest the importation of prison labor.

    ICE detainees.

  36. 36.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 28, 2020 at 7:40 pm

    @kindness: As karmic as it might be, I don’t think that’s a significant concern. E. coli, trichinosis, salmonella, yes. But these viruses don’t thrive on meat, because they’re viruses–they die after a day or two if they can’t infect a host. And cooking would kill them good anyway.

    No, the problem here is the staff infecting each other.

  37. 37.

    Just Chuck

    April 28, 2020 at 7:41 pm

    @Snarki, child of Loki: Soylent Orange?

  38. 38.

    Shana

    April 28, 2020 at 7:46 pm

    @Bruuuuce: I love that show.

  39. 39.

    Krope, the Formerly Dope

    April 28, 2020 at 7:46 pm

    @OP: Stated agriculture workers are “essential” and instead of providing them PPE or advocating any additional legal status, worked to allow companies to pay them less.

    I hope when this is all done, all the essential workers in low or minimum wage paying jobs are remembered for just how essential they are and there is a serious reckoning in this country as far as fair compensation.

    No more of this “it’s just a job for high school kids, they should learn some new skills, get a real job.”

  40. 40.

    oatler.

    April 28, 2020 at 7:46 pm

    @Bruuuuce: But John’s obnoxious and disliked!

  41. 41.

    trollhattan

    April 28, 2020 at 7:47 pm

    My guess: ‘roid sales are way down.

    A gym that operates in Sacramento, West Sacramento and Lodi is planning to open for business at midnight Friday, despite Gov. Gavin Newsom’s admonition that fitness clubs would be among the last allowed to reopen to prevent the spread of COVID-19.

    Fitness System CEO Sean Covell issued a message to members of his three gyms Tuesday afternoon, saying “no city, county, or state official has the power to cancel the Constitution and the Bill of Rights of the United States.”

    Covell, a professional bodybuilder, then threatened to sue in federal court if the state and local governments attempt to “restrict the ability of our members and employees to work and exercise unencumbered by draconian restrictions imposed by the State or county agencies.” [I don’t think those words mean what you think they mean.]

    “The Constitution does not have on (sic) ‘on and off’ switch,” he wrote. “We simply ask that you respect the law of the land.”

    Messages left at Fitness System’s Lodi gym and with Covell were not immediately returned Tuesday. In addition to the Lodi and West Sacramento facilities, Fitness System operates in Sacramento’s Land Park neighborhood on Sutterville Road.

    Sacramento County spokeswoman Kimberly Nava said if Covell does open up on Friday, he’ll be expressly violating the county’s order. Breaking the order is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up to $50 to $1,000 and up to 90 days in jail.

    “Law enforcement is going to come out there and ask him to close,” Nava said.
    https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article242356881.html#storylink=cpy

  42. 42.

    geg6

    April 28, 2020 at 7:48 pm

    My John went this morning to a local meat purveyor who both raises and sells his own (he’s a pig guy, with some chickens) and that of other local farmers.  He got big, beautiful, whole boneless, skinless chicken breasts, fresh from local farms and butchered right there. He got 21 of them, which worked to about $1.42 each.  We will not run out of chicken any time soon and we know exactly where it came from.  Fuck Purdue.

  43. 43.

    MagdaInBlack

    April 28, 2020 at 7:53 pm

    It really is interesting to me how much the “Makers” need the “Takers” to get back to work to MAKE money for the “Makers.” ?

  44. 44.

    patrick II

    April 28, 2020 at 7:58 pm

    It’s a bluff.  In the meantime, they take away the worker’s unemployment and if employees don’t think can force change to the work environment through legal threats, they have no other choice if then need employmentto eat or care for their family. They go to work even under dire circumstances.  As much as Donald is stupid in some ways, he is mean smart.

    It shows the anemic state of the American labor movement that they can run games like this and get away with it.

  45. 45.

    Ohio Mom

    April 28, 2020 at 8:02 pm

    Arch Teryx: Haven’t seen you around these parts in a long time. It’s good to see you again, sorry to hear you’re living on the edge.

    Debbie: i am disappointed but not surprised that DeWine is wimping out on masks. When this is all over, people will be downplaying that they ever gave him any props.

    I read that in Turkey, every two weeks the government sends every citizen ten masks. I imagine lots of other countries also distribute free masks. Another failing of our government.

    i’m thinking it’s time to start stocking up on toilet paper, etc., to be ready when the second virus wave comes through.

  46. 46.

    Ben Cisco

    April 28, 2020 at 8:10 pm

    Chris Hayes has had just about enough of gaslighting, thank you very much. Just told Fucker “Fish Fingers” Carlson to come out of quarantine and go cut up some pork if he thinks it’s safe for OTHER PEOPLE to go out. HA!

  47. 47.

    Calouste

    April 28, 2020 at 8:11 pm

    @trollhattan: I’ve seen a few of those articles about companies defying the lockdown, and they almost never start with the name, and sometimes don’t mention the name at all.

    Just name and shame the bastards, clearly and publicly.

  48. 48.

    Patricia Kayden

    April 28, 2020 at 8:15 pm

    Has #COVIDー19 finally done to Trump what no scandal has been able to, expose him for the incompetent, pathological lying, malignant narcissus, very low IQ person, he is. And it only took 56,000 American deaths & 985,000 sick. #Biden2020 #BidenBeatsTrump https://t.co/HEgYxXb1Qx— Chaz Bono (@ChazBono) April 28, 2020

  49. 49.

    Uncle Cosmo

    April 28, 2020 at 8:17 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Just FTR, the Czech Republic is starting to reopen after doing a bang-up job containing the virus. A central element to their strategy was to require everyone who ventured out to wear a mask. Everyone. No excuses, no exceptions.

  50. 50.

    Baud

    April 28, 2020 at 8:18 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    I would have bet real money that someone named Chaz Bono was a Trump supporter.

    You just never know….

  51. 51.

    laura

    April 28, 2020 at 8:21 pm

    My dad, my grandpa and about 5 of my dad’s tightest friends were butchers and meat cutters. Grandpa Tom and a couple of his brothers were dust bowl okies who moved to northern california and helped unionize the workers. Dad apprenticed at packers and canners just north of Santa Rosa and he did tons of side work field dressing and butchering for much of my childhood years. Good Union jobs. Closed shops – no freeriding scabs allowed. Benefits, pension, on the job safety because this is hard, dangerous work (I’m sitting here in my wedding ring that’s mostly from dad’s ring – he couldn’t wear it because it can get caught on a knife a bone a saw…). As a Union butcher and meat cutter back before the industry concentrated and moved out of state and busted unions, my dad would go into the delivery trucks and personally inspect carcasses that had previously been inspected by the USDA as identified by the stamps on said carcasses. If, for any reason, he or any other receiving butcher rejected a carcass as not fit, it was not brought off the truck. That’s your health and safety right there. Fitness, not profit dictated whether you could eventually purchase a meat item. And the meat case was pulled before the last butcher went home. No meat sales when no meat cutters were on duty.

    All this changed in the late 70’s and by the Reagan administration, loads of meat came to the store in large primal cuts of multiple animals in cryovac bags. Meat from all over the world mixed with meat from all over the world with no identifying markers other than numbers in the tens of thousands. Anyone here remember the first big e coli outbreak that killed lots of people and children? I do. It happened after the industrialization and decentralization and non-unionization of our meat supply. I have, and my dad had, nothing but respect for the people who do this work, and the conditions that they are working under are both increasing dangerous and increasingly difficult as the speeding up of the processing (think Lucy and Ethel in the candy factory). Immigrant workers are willing to do this in order to come to this country. They deserve our respect and they damn sure deserve better working conditions and a big increase in wages to live in decent housing and they deserve to have the right to join a Union. This issue is and will always be dear to me. And I have the gift of remembering the past. It does not have to be this way!

  52. 52.

    Jackie

    April 28, 2020 at 8:21 pm

    @patrick II: Tyson’s – at least the one in Wallula, WA is closed AND paying their employees. I was happily surprised to learn this.

  53. 53.

    Mart

    April 28, 2020 at 8:23 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    My guess: This is where the Federalist and various Koch ‘think’ tanks suggest the importation of prison labor.

    “ICE detainees.”

    The plan is to take them back to where ICE found them. Steven Miller is sad.

    Always liked Thomas Hartman’s line if we were serious about stopping undocumented workers the CEO of Cargill would be handcuffed and frog marched. Actually applies to Trump as well.

  54. 54.

    Brachiator

    April 28, 2020 at 8:24 pm

    My guess: This is where the Federalist and various Koch ‘think’ tanks suggest the importation of prison labor. Anyone wanna bet against me on that?

    Prisons. Another place subject to serious pandemic outbreaks.

    Every moron who ever wished for a president who would run the country like a business is getting the business all right, hard and rough.

  55. 55.

    Patricia Kayden

    April 28, 2020 at 8:25 pm

    @Chip Daniels: That’s what I assume too.  Sick workers aren’t good workers.  They’ll contaminate the meat as they are forced to work without protective equipment.

  56. 56.

    joel hanes

    April 28, 2020 at 8:38 pm

    It was my understanding that invoking the DPA required the government to contract to purchase the production compelled under the act at a price fixed in the contract.

  57. 57.

    hueyplong

    April 28, 2020 at 8:43 pm

    Whenever Trump is at a low point, as he was late last week when he was subjected to ridicule, the way they get him to snap out of it is to let him do something really sadistic.

    Hence today.

    The details of these reopening seem so weird.  They’re going to get people back at a time and in a manner that pretty much no real scientist/doctor thinks is designed to result in a lower body count of the type you assume Trump would like to boast about.  Based on what we know, it is more likely than not that what Georgia and others are doing is going to go wrong.

    Who puts forth a plan with a much less than 50% chance of success when plans with better odds are available?  It’s like they’ve never truly let go of the “hoax” theory.

    Or they just don’t care how many people die.  Maybe we really underestimated the extent to which the crowd at that 2016 South Carolina primary debate represented the heart and [substitute something for “soul”] of the Republican party.

  58. 58.

    WestTexan70

    April 28, 2020 at 8:45 pm

    Once again, this 60-year-old former ranch hand from West Texas is really, really glad he became a vegetarian in 1987.

  59. 59.

    joel hanes

    April 28, 2020 at 8:46 pm

    @kindness:

    does that mean you can get covid-19 for eating such meat?

    Probably not.    The virus survives only for hours to a couple days on most surfaces.   Hard surfaces such as stainless steel seem to be the worst in experiments.

    And if the surface of your chicken or pork doesn’t reach virus-killing temperatures during cooking, most of it will still be raw.

    I’ve never heard of a known case of food-borne transmission.   Best to worry about other things, like inhaling airborne droplets from someone unmasked and too close, which is apparently the route for most SARS-CoV-2  infections.

  60. 60.

    Patricia Kayden

    April 28, 2020 at 8:48 pm

    PROTESTER: "The government can't make me stay home!"GOVT: "Well, we can make you go back to work — and coerce you into doing so by declaring that if you don't, your unemployment is 'voluntary' so you won't get any benefits."PROTESTER: "Cool. I love freedom!" pic.twitter.com/nyESCXqUeL— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@BettyBowers) April 28, 2020

  61. 61.

    Doug R

    April 28, 2020 at 8:49 pm

    15% of Alberta’s covid cases come from one beef processing plant just south of Calgary. That and another plant north of Calgary together handle roughly 80% of beef processed in Canada.

    BC had another 55 cases reported today, 39 came from one chicken processing plant.

  62. 62.

    planetjanet

    April 28, 2020 at 8:49 pm

    I did not realize there was a primary in Ohio today.  It was mostly vote by mail, but they are reporting results.  Biden is up 75%, Sanders 15.7% with 25% of precincts reporting.

  63. 63.

    MomSense

    April 28, 2020 at 8:50 pm

    Isn’t Tyson the company that was involved in some kind of immigrant smuggling plan?  I also think the chicken industry was caught in some kind of coordinated immigrant wage suppression scheme.

    This seems to be an industry that doesn’t care about its workers in good times.

    I can not describe how disgusted and furious I am about what is happening to our country.

  64. 64.

    Gravenstone

    April 28, 2020 at 8:51 pm

    @germy: 

    may not go along

    May not go along? They should kick him in the fucking nuts each and every time he croaks out the suggestion that he will poison the relief bill with “liability” protection.

  65. 65.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    April 28, 2020 at 8:52 pm

    @planetjanet: How can Bernie only be at 15% when his cult crowds were so big!

  66. 66.

    Ruckus

    April 28, 2020 at 8:53 pm

    @Emerald:

    I think that $1,200 payment is about the last we’re gonna see.

    What’s the old adage? Don’t count your chickens till they hatch?

    For sure there will be another round of grifting rewards for the mucky mucks but us working shits? Ya I agree with you, this is the sum total of what we can expect, other than a letter, like the one I got from shit for brains telling me that my $1200 deposit was made.

  67. 67.

    Doug R

    April 28, 2020 at 8:54 pm

    @ArchTeryx: Have you tried Canada?

  68. 68.

    laura

    April 28, 2020 at 8:55 pm

    @Krope, the Formerly Dope: I hope when this is all done, all the essential workers in low or minimum wage paying jobs are remembered for just how essential they are and there is a serious reckoning in this country as far as fair compensation.

    I can’t upvote this enough. All work should be respected and it should pay at least enough to meet one’s needs.

  69. 69.

    mrmoshpotato

    April 28, 2020 at 8:56 pm

    Fuck this loser-of-the-popular-vote, bastard administration.

    Need I say more?

  70. 70.

    Origuy

    April 28, 2020 at 8:58 pm

    There’s a special election in MD-07 today to fill Elijah Cummings’ seat in the house. The Democrat, who is projected to win, Kweisi Mufune, who held the seat before Cummings. The Republican is an African-American woman, Kimberly Klacik, who is an avowed Trumpist.

  71. 71.

    MisterForkbeard

    April 28, 2020 at 9:00 pm

    @planetjanet: At this point Sanders should be happy he’s off the NY primary. Yeesh.

  72. 72.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 28, 2020 at 9:00 pm

    In my more positive moments, I wonder if this administration and this pandemic will be the things that cause the USA to make the sort of changes that European counties were able to make in the wake of WWII.

  73. 73.

    Another Scott

    April 28, 2020 at 9:01 pm

    @Origuy: Mfume already won.  ;-)

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/495116-democrat-kweisi-mfume-wins-special-election-to-replace-cummings

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  74. 74.

    Baud

    April 28, 2020 at 9:02 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    That’s been Biden’s message, basically.  We’ll see how well it sells.

  75. 75.

    tokyokie

    April 28, 2020 at 9:03 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    As karmic as it might be, I don’t think that’s a significant concern. E. coli, trichinosis, salmonella, yes. But these viruses don’t thrive on meat, because they’re viruses–they die after a day or two if they can’t infect a host. And cooking would kill them good anyway.

    Salmonella and E. coli are bacteria, and trichinosis is caused by roundworms. None of those diseases are caused by viruses. However, cooking meats thoroughly should kill any bacteria or viruses those meats contain.

  76. 76.

    planetjanet

    April 28, 2020 at 9:04 pm

    @MisterForkbeard: The sweetest thing is he has zero delegates so far.

  77. 77.

    LongHairedWeirdo

    April 28, 2020 at 9:06 pm

    Just to make things clear: if meatpacking was essential (and it could be argued that it is), in any rational country, there’d be regulations that were a safe harbor. They’d give you PPE for use every shift, with replacement at each break, they’d have washing stations, and they’d have to have an actual video, showing you smoking a quick one, rather than “using the wash-up stations”, to give you grief over being out of position. Of course, they could gig you for a 15 second (not 20!) handwash… but let’s be honest, they won’t.

    Then, with all those regulations in place, and huge fines for violators, *only then* would they say “… and the companies that follow these rules religiously will be immune to lawsuits – though we’ll be performing daily spot inspections, and one failed inspection means you close up for a day  (and send your non-cleaning employees home with credit for the full shift), or you lose the lawsuit waiver.”

    And I explain this, because we live in a world where people will write a news story, without pointing out how insanely, hideously, evil this notion is. They’ll explain that the Republicans want to protect businesses from lawsuits, and Democrats don’t – BOTH SIDES! – while not pointing out that, “of course, governments don’t normally risk the lives of their citizenry, to enrich fat cats, and prevent a rise in the price of hambergers[sic]…”

  78. 78.

    mrmoshpotato

    April 28, 2020 at 9:10 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    In my more positive moments, I wonder if this administration and this pandemic will be the things that cause the USA to make the sort of changes that European counties were able to make in the wake of WWII. 

    Going from not fighting the Nazis to kicking Nazi ass?

  79. 79.

    laura

    April 28, 2020 at 9:18 pm

    @tokyokie: trichinosis has largely been eliminated from the food supply. E coli and listeria can only adhere to a meat’s surface and so easily killed by the cooking process. However, regarding e coli, ground meat can/does redistribute the bacteria into the interior as there is no “surface” in ground meat. Fun fact, preformed patties can be problematic. My only experience with e coli involved eating a cheese burger on Bainbridge Island in the summer of 2000. I didn’t eat ground beef for about 5 years and since, only from a local specialty market with an open meat case and mostly locally sourced providers. It is a luxury- one I easily will concede. But I’m willing to pay up to my confidence level for the occasions I eat meat.

  80. 80.

    Eunicecycle

    April 28, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    @planetjanet: The primary was supposed to be March 17, but was postponed at the last minute and converted to a vote by mail election. By the time my husband and I received our ballots Bernie had dropped out. We were both going to vote for Warren, but both of us ended up voting for Joe. I think a lot of people probably did the same.

  81. 81.

    glory b

    April 28, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    @geg6: This is in SW PA?

  82. 82.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 28, 2020 at 9:21 pm

    @ArchTeryx: Are you in Massachusetts? or NY? Because MA is hiring contact tracers the second and third tier need specialized backgrounds in medicine/virology etc.

  83. 83.

    planetjanet

    April 28, 2020 at 9:23 pm

    @Eunicecycle:  What percent of the vote does Sanders need to get delegates?  I thought in most places it was 15%.

  84. 84.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 28, 2020 at 9:24 pm

    Lawyers of Balloon Juice what is the process of getting an organization designated as a hate group by the FBI and the State Department.

    Thanks.

  85. 85.

    Just Chuck

    April 28, 2020 at 9:30 pm

    @Mart: Maybe they could post a sign over the work camp that says “Work Will Make You Free”

  86. 86.

    Ruckus

    April 28, 2020 at 9:33 pm

    @hells littlest angel:

    We of course do not need to imagine. Our finest citizens voted for shit for brains, whose sum total of abilities is to find ways to be shittier day after day. And he hired help to read and subvert federal law so that he could be even shittier.

  87. 87.

    Eunicecycle

    April 28, 2020 at 9:35 pm

    @planetjanet: I thought the same, but so far it is showing Sanders with 15.2% and no delegates. The delegate distribution is so bizarre I am not sure if you are guaranteed delegates or not.

  88. 88.

    Mike in NC

    April 28, 2020 at 9:36 pm

    Well, Fat Bastard can’t get through a day without half a dozen burned hamberders.

  89. 89.

    Subsole

    April 28, 2020 at 9:38 pm

     

    @hueyplong:  Here in TX, it’s pretty transparently about kicking people off their unemployment.

    Also, like 85% of the state budget comes from sales tax. So they deffo want all of us happy little patriot-customers out buybuybuying.

    Now, what happens when we get another outbreak with another panic and another economic falloff? Nothing good.

    But, if they could think past the tip of their plumbing they wouldn’t be GOP.

  90. 90.

    geg6

    April 28, 2020 at 9:42 pm

    @glory b:

    Just over the line in Ohio.  East Palestine, to be exact.  The butcher, I mean.  I’m still here in Beaver County.

  91. 91.

    Eunicecycle

    April 28, 2020 at 9:43 pm

    And I see Mike DeWine did a half flip off the high board and partly reversed himself AGAIN, now saying employees in businesses have to wear masks but not customers. He has really mucked this up by being such a pushover.

  92. 92.

    Viva BrisVegas

    April 28, 2020 at 9:46 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    I ain’t no lawyer, but I imagine a good place to start would be to talk to the folks at the Southern Poverty Law Center.

  93. 93.

    Another Scott

    April 28, 2020 at 9:47 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Barr’s DOJ?  Hmmm…  :-(

    Have you checked https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate

    Good luck!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  94. 94.

    geg6

    April 28, 2020 at 9:48 pm

    @Eunicecycle:

    Damn, I was so hoping for at least a trio of sane Republican governors.  We need two parties in this country and the current GOP must die.  Looks like it’s all up to Baker and Hogan.  Unless, of course, they fold, too.

  95. 95.

    schrodingers_cat

    April 28, 2020 at 9:52 pm

    @Viva BrisVegas:

    @Another Scott:  Yes I have checked and the Sangh (and their American offshoot) is not on their radar.

    United States Commission on International  Religious Freedom has designated India as a country of special concern where the religious freedoms of the minorities are under attack.

  96. 96.

    jayjaybear

    April 28, 2020 at 9:56 pm

    @Baud: I can’t tell if this was ironic or not, but Chaz Bono is Cher’s son, and a trans man. That’s at least two factors pointing to anti-Trumpism.

  97. 97.

    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice

    April 28, 2020 at 9:58 pm

    @ArchTeryx: UCSF is still hiring and sometimes pays at least part of relocation costs.

    Glad to see you back here. I hope you are able to find something very soon, and equally important, that you’re able to find some security and peace of mind.

    -Colette, married to a virology research lab administrator

  98. 98.

    debbie

    April 28, 2020 at 10:00 pm

    @Ohio Mom:

    I’m aggravated that he let the special interest groups get to him.

  99. 99.

    glory b

    April 28, 2020 at 10:02 pm

    @geg6: Oh, okay.

    I’m still here in Pittsburgh, working from home, no more traveling for the time being.

  100. 100.

    Another Scott

    April 28, 2020 at 10:17 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Ok.

    https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/get-help-now

    To report a hate crime

    If you believe you are the victim of a hate crime or believe you witnessed a hate crime:

    STEP 1: Report the crime to your local police.

    STEP 2: Quickly follow up this report with a tip to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).

    SUBMIT A TIP TO THE FBI ONLINE OR CALL YOUR LOCAL FBI FIELD OFFICE

    […]

    HTH a little. Good luck!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  101. 101.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    April 28, 2020 at 10:18 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: In my more positive moments, I wonder if this administration and this pandemic will be the things that cause the USA to make the sort of changes that European counties were able to make in the wake of WWII.

    Been a lot of hand wringing about that in the finical articles about how the horrors socialism are about to ravage to the country.  There is that deer caught in the headlights vibe about from the Right since this Virus has pretty much crapped on their ideology.

  102. 102.

    Duane

    April 28, 2020 at 10:19 pm

    @Eunicecycle:  Gov. Dewine mention where to get the needed masks? They’re kind of scarce. When you find them it’s six bucks a piece and limited quantity. If there’s a secret stash of millions of masks, time to break them out. The barrels of disinfectant, too.

  103. 103.

    rikyrah

    April 28, 2020 at 10:21 pm

    @mali muso:

     

    Like I said…we might become involuntary vegetarians

  104. 104.

    tokyokie

    April 28, 2020 at 10:24 pm

    @laura: I’m aware that trichinosis has largely been eliminated from the domestic pork supply. Still, thorough cooking will raise the temperature to a level that will destroy the cysts that contain the roundworm. I know E. coli remains a problem with ground beef; my niece got a nasty case of it, had to undergo a bowel resection, and she still won’t eat ground beef, and remains generally leery of beef. Still, if the burger is cooked to at least medium — no red or pink meat — then the internal temperature should have reached a level at which the bacteria cannot survive.

  105. 105.

    Eunicecycle

    April 28, 2020 at 10:27 pm

    @Duane: I would think businesses should have to provide them for their employees; they are usually required to give employees whatever safety equipment they need. As far as customers, you’re on your own, I guess. And yeah, good luck finding hand sanitizer!

  106. 106.

    Uncle Cosmo

    April 28, 2020 at 10:32 pm

    @Origuy: Governor Hogan moved the primary election that was supposed to happen today to sometime in June; the only election today in MD was the MD-07 “general election” to fill Cummings’ seat, which was mail-in only. I heard they’d sent out the ballots at the beginning of April & was getting a bit nervous when I didn’t get one, but it finally showed up on the 13th & I mailed it back the next day. Mfume should cruise to victory. The weird thing is that he has to run again in June in the Democratic primary for next term, with the same ~20 other candidates on the ballot (including Cummings’ widow).

  107. 107.

    Krope, the Formerly Dope

    April 28, 2020 at 10:36 pm

    @jayjaybear: I can’t tell if this was ironic or not, but Chaz Bono is Cher’s son, and a trans man. That’s at least two factors pointing to anti-Trumpism.

    His father was a Republican Congressman, though.

     

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:Been a lot of hand wringing about that in the finical articles about how the horrors socialism are about to ravage to the country.

    Some Fox nitwit (Waters I think) was going on the other night about how this is exactly what the green new deal and other socialist plans wanted for America.  I can’t even imagine how people still take this shit seriously.

     

    But then I find myself thinking things like “Ok, your rapture is here, you happy?”

    I hope I’m not as off the mark as they are.

  108. 108.

    Another Scott

    April 28, 2020 at 11:11 pm

    @Eunicecycle: Don’t be so sure that they have to provide PPE.  The government doesn’t for many of its employees.

    https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2020/04/va-instructs-coronavirus-exposed-staff-continue-working-places-those-who-dont-awol-status/164693/ (from April 17):

    Employees at the Veterans Affairs Department are feeling pressured to return to work even after they’ve been exposed to the novel coronavirus — a new VA policy requires them to continue showing up, and threatens discipline along with the possibility of losing pay for those who stay home.

    The situation is creating a stressful environment in which VA workers worry their colleagues may be hiding symptoms while they have insufficient equipment to protect themselves and others from spreading the virus. Government Executive spoke to employees at more than a half-dozen facilities, all of whom said management was providing inconsistent guidance and creating unsafe working conditions.

    To date, more than 5,000 patients and 1,600 staff at VA facilities have tested positive for COVID-19; more than 300 patients and more than a dozen staff have died from the disease. Until recently at some facilities, staff told Government Executive, some administrative staff were not even allowed to wear masks, either because there weren’t enough to go around and they were being reserved for medical personnel with more sustained patient contact, or because supervisors were worried about alarming patients and visitors.

    […]

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  109. 109.

    Bill Arnold

    April 29, 2020 at 12:31 am

    @Eunicecycle:

    And I see Mike DeWine did a half flip off the high board and partly reversed himself AGAIN, now saying employees in businesses have to wear masks but not customers.

    Has it been made clear to him that a significant subset of the population customer set will not go into stores without an enforced masked-customers-only policy? That they know that The Unmasked are a mortal threat to them, personally?

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