Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

There are consequences to being an arrogant, sullen prick.

Human rights are not a matter of opinion!

Fundamental belief of white supremacy: white people are presumed innocent, minorities are presumed guilty.

The snowflake in chief appeared visibly frustrated when questioned by a reporter about egg prices.

Since when do we limit our critiques to things we could do better ourselves?

Compromise? There is no middle ground between a firefighter and an arsonist.

I might just take the rest of the day off and do even more nothing than usual.

We will not go quietly into the night; we will not vanish without a fight.

Insiders who complain to politico: please report to the white house office of shut the fuck up.

Within six months Twitter will be fully self-driving.

Something needs to be done about our bogus SCOTUS.

There are times when telling just part of the truth is effectively a lie.

Celebrate the fucking wins.

I like political parties that aren’t owned by foreign adversaries.

When you’re a Republican, they let you do it.

Relentless negativity is not a sign that you are more realistic.

Republicans are radicals, not conservatives.

When I was faster i was always behind.

Damn right I heard that as a threat.

Someone should tell Republicans that violence is the last refuge of the incompetent, or possibly the first.

Proof that we need a blogger ethics panel.

Boeing: repeatedly making the case for high speed rail.

They were going to turn on one another at some point. It was inevitable.

They think we are photo bombing their nice little lives.

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Of course they’ve pretty much been riding on the increasingly tattered remnants of the great man’s credibility since — well, Nixon at least — but the fact that the Official Republican Party didn’t immediately disavow their current flagbearer after Sunday’s Fox News puppet show posts the epitaph on the tombstone.

Video proof:



And it went downhill from there!



Even the Foxbots had a little trouble accepting this firehose of bs…

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  1. 1.

    dmsilev

    I was kind of expecting the statue of Lincoln to stand up, give Trump a raised middle finger, and then walk out of the Memorial.

  2. 2.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    The thing that stands out to me was Fox News fact checked Trump to his face during that and apparently Trump was to dumb to notice.

  4. 4.

    jl

    Has the Secret Service interviewed Trump yet about his implied threat to harm a public official? If not, why not?

  8. 8.

    debbie

    I’m working my way through the third season of Handmaid’s Tale. In one episode, there’s a prayer session at the Lincoln Memorial, and in a wide shot, you can see that most of Lincoln’s torso has been destroyed and removed. When I saw a clip from the virtual town hall, I thought that only Trump could inflict more damage on America than Gilead.

  9. 9.

    West of the Cascades

    “inveterate hatred of slavery and his predilections of negro equality” sounds like a pretty winning combination.

  12. 12.

    cmorenc

    Of course they’ve pretty much been riding on the increasingly tattered remnants of the great man’s credibility since — well, Nixon at least

    Another GOP President whose rep they’ve been undeservedly riding on for decades now is Teddy Roosevelt, whose actual legacy is harshly scorned and attacked by the modern GOP. The part of T.R. they still identify with is his aggressive assertiveness, forgetting that T.R.’s motto was “walk softly and carry a big stick”, not “walk like an angry buffalo and fling shit”.

  13. 13.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    An elementary school teacher who tells him that she really supports him and prays for him asks him to stop being a bully and stop rambling and to let go of his negative behaviors.

    Trump replies by saying he’s been treated worse than Abraham Lincoln.

    I am not making this up.

    He only heard what he wanted to hear. Then played the victim.

  14. 14.

    Miss Bianca

    @cmorenc: Ahem: Teddy’s dictum, I believe, was “*speak* softly and carry a big stick”

    otherwise, right on.

  15. 15.

    rikyrah

    Just got notification from a friend that I’ve known since freshman year of high school: Her 11 year old daughter has COVID-19. My friend, who is immunocompromised- is freaking out.

    They poo-pooed her , not willing to test, until they saw the COVID-19 TOES- that was the only sign. It’s going to be a long next 3 weeks for them :(

  17. 17.

    lamh36

    WARNING GRAPHIC VIDEO!

    A modern day lynching! They stalked and murderd this Black man, Ahmaud Arbery in COLD BLOOD! They have been walking free for the past 2 damn months with no charge. Then graphic video came to light and now the DA wants a grand jury to convene. WHY DA FUQ DO THEY NEED A GRAND JURY!

    If not for the damn video the DA was doing nothing about it…likely trying to cover shit up. The racist fuq’ers been walking free for 2 DAMN MONTHS

    @Georgia_NAACP
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    Jackie Johnson should have immediately had Travis and Gregory McMichael arrested for murder. District Attorneys are elected to pursue justice – not engage in judicial malpractice.

    Call (912)554-7200 and demand she resign now. #NotForgotten #GaPol #IRunWithMaud

    I am so damn tired of Black people being killed just for FUQ’N being!!!

  18. 18.

    lamh36

    @lamh36:

    Shit happend in February.

    The DA in Georgia been spending the past 2 months covering tracks and shit and hoping it’d die down…but someone put up that anonymous video I’d like to think because they saw the DA wasn’t doing shit

    For once, I understand breaking quarantine. The DA and this racist fuqs counted on the COVID quarantice for coverage while they hide shit and do dirty work!!

    @GAFollowers
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    People are now gathered in Brunswick, Georgia on the same street Ahmaud Arbery was murdered on. The video of him being killed was released on our Twitter today. ?

    People are chanting, “WE WANT JUSTICE”
    twitter.com/GAFollowers/status/1257796632210485250

  22. 22.

    Duane

    Trumpov brought that ad on himself. What a clueless idiot. He looked so small underneath Lincoln.

  23. 23.

    MomSense

    In some good news, my starter seems to be progressing well.  It should be ready to use the end of this week.  I also think I found some flour.  I have an appointment for curbside pick up at my local bakery.

  26. 26.

    TS (the original)

    Just catching up on the earlier threads. Love that President Obama is doing the graduation speech.

    The reality of  trump is that virtually no-one wants him to participate in their events – and his cryin’ at the memorial is his realisation that even the deplorables don’t want him at events that matter.

    He had to break yet another long standing rule to get his petty little interview at a memorial to a great man – and lordy is trump not worthy to be seen, let alone heard, in the presence of such greatness.

  28. 28.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @lamh36:

    That’s awful. They absolutely were hoping for COVID-19 to suck all the oxygen out of the room. And to add insult to injury, GA is opening up which will likely sicken and kill thousands more of mostly POC.

  29. 29.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @lamh36:

    the LEOs may have had the video this entire time still did nothing and beleived the murderers story of self defense.

    If the the police supposedly believed their story, then why withhold the video? Sunlight is the best disinfectant

  31. 31.

    lamh36

    @lamh36:

     

    Corey Bu-Shea
    @coreybking
    It sounds like his family is on it..from getting the original DA removed to making sure the latest findings..to have to navigate grief and pursue justice at the same time…a heavy load!
    twitter.com/coreybking/status/1257811351050899470

    1
    6:16 PM – May 5, 2020

    It’s a damn shame this family has had to grieve at the same time they had to keep on the LEO necks just to do something

  40. 40.

    Fair Economist

    @lamh36: You have to wonder how many episodes like this don’t have a videotape released to a TV station.

  42. 42.

    HumboldtBlue

    @lamh36:

    That’s very funny, then again, KM-P would be funny in an oncology diagnosis.

    @debbie:

    Well, the elder murderer worked as a DA investigator for 20 years so it’s not like he wasn’t known. Whether or not the murdering fucks see justice is another thing.

  43. 43.

    Miss Bianca

    @rikyrah: Oh, boy…the news today is just getting better and better.

    If I didn’t have to write a bunch of articles tonight, I think I’d just say “fuck this day” and start drinking.

  44. 44.

    mrmoshpotato

    @dmsilev:

    I was kind of expecting the statue of Lincoln to stand up, give Trump a raised middle finger, and then walk out of the Memorial. 

    I was hoping for the ol’ heeve ho.  Or a good punt. ?

  45. 45.

    Kattails

    Lincoln. During the Mayday antiwar demonstrations, 50 or so years ago??(eek). Got stuck in Washington for 4 days. Literally panhandled, then scored some blotter acid, incredibly stupid in hindsight but got lucky. Spent the night with 3 others, strangers, just walking around the Capitol.  It was glorious, a warm night, flowers everywhere, went up in the Washington monument, it was like being in a starship. Walked into the Lincoln Memorial.  I was wide open to the impression the sculptor wanted me to get, utterly awed by the solemnity. I still have a vivid impression of the beauty and power of our nation’s Capitol so many years later, even though that power was being so abused at the time. We fell asleep on the lawn of some church, woke up at dawn rather damp.

    Trump defiled the place. Bastard. The current Republican party virtually in its entirety defiles everything Lincoln stood for, everything we could be if we followed that legacy. I understand that humans are flawed, hell, my cats know that. I’m a painter, Dali said “have no fear of perfection, you’ll never attain it.” Yet I feel as though I’m watching them wall up the ideal, as they walled up people in medieval times, so that if it is ever found it will be nothing but pitiable bones. It’s ghastly.

  46. 46.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    Wilkes Booth, for all his shortcomings, was not a member of the media.

    Booth was an actor.

  47. 47.

    jl

    @Miss Bianca: It doesn’t have to be that way. There was an outbreak in Laguna Honda nursing home in SF, which held over 700 patients. I was horrified when I read the news. But a month later, less than two dozen infections, and from what I have read, not one death (though not sure about that, since news articles were vague about that). What is the difference? The SF nursing home had recently been renovated to allow decent standard of care, qualified medical staff sent to work on the outbreak quickly.

    Other nursing homes that are run like neglected public rest rooms, dozens dead (at least in CA), and I heard a news report about 100 dead in one place in NY.

    This country has allowed what amounts to low grade chronic human rights crimes in many institutions for decades. Too many people in the US have be trained to accept what shouldn’t be accepted.

  48. 48.

    SFAW

    @Miss Bianca:

    Ahem: Teddy’s dictum, I believe, was “*speak* softly and carry a big stick”

    If and when I decide to be your speechwriter, are you also going to nitpick every little thing I write? Because I had one where I managed to work in the Nazi sneak attack on Pearl Harbor.

  49. 49.

    lamh36

    @HumboldtBlue: yeah.  apparently the case had been passed on to 3 different DAs all this time….smh.  they really were using the COVID quaratine as cover while they did nothing…smh

  51. 51.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    Local doctor says herd immunity next step in fighting COVID-19

    YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio (WKBN) – As businesses reopen and hospitals start the process of offering elective procedures again, Mahoning County’s chief medical officer believes the goal of keeping healthcare systems from being overrun by COVID-19 is being met.

    “What we’re seeing is exactly what we want to happen,” said Dr. James Kravec.

    Dr. Kravec said the next step would be to achieve what’s known as “herd immunity,” in which most people have either been exposed to the coronavirus or vaccinated against it.

    To get there, there would need to be many more cases in the months to come.

    “They have to happen in order to get us to that 80% and also to buy us time for the vaccine to come, whenever that may be, and there’s a debate on when that will come,” Kravec said.

    Kravec said local, state and federal authorities are working together on what he says has to be “a very planned approach” to control the numbers of new cases while keeping on eye on needed supplies.

    “We wait a couple weeks, see, make sure we’re not overwhelming things, reevaluate and go from there,” Kravec said.

    “We can’t assume that nothing will ever open because therefore, no one will get the virus, because we know that’s not practical.”

    Isn’t this what the UK’s plan was (still basically is)?

  52. 52.

    dexwood

    @Miss Bianca:

    If I didn’t have to write a bunch of articles tonight, I think I’d just say “fuck this day” and start drinking.

    Gotcha covered – Taking a generous sip of local beer first… Fuck this day. Another sip followed.

  54. 54.

    Keith P.

    I really wish someone would bait Trump into talking about Reagan.  Trump would inevitably start bashing St. Ronnie…I’d love to see Trump make the GOP knock down their previous pillar right before their current one implodes.

  57. 57.

    jl

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I really think that a policy to let the disease spread to achieve herd immunity is a very bad idea. Just for one, while very good reason to believe covid-19 infection, if serious enough, confers effective immunity, we don’t know enough about it to count on it to fix up the problem nice and neat. Do mild or asymptomatic infections give immunity? They do for some diseases, but not for others. For covid-19 I don’t think anyone knows. If herd immunity wears off in a year, do you want to go through the same deadly  process again, in a damned year, to get herd immunity again?

    if disease can be controlled enough so that infected people walking abound don’t threaten to crash the system and get mass quantities of other people killed, then we can have a debate about whether extreme shut downs, and other control efforts that interfere with MAGA style freedom, are justified. But that is another issue. And at least half of US not even close to that safer place yet.

  58. 58.

    TriassicSands

    …the END of the republican party in one place.

    Unbelievable wishful thinking.

  59. 59.

    HumboldtBlue

    @dexwood:

    Fuck 2020, I just put 12 cans of beer in the freezer for 20 minutes and will sing and dance when I crack one open. We have a great front yard in which to socially distance and still hang with the neighbors, so at least there’s that.

  60. 60.

    Ohio Mom

    Rikyrah @39: I don’t know anyone getting unemployment (I know a few people who fell through the cracks) but this is interesting for me to hear.

    I keep wondering why I’m supposed to give DeWine credit for doing his job, and this news bit reminds me that  in the end, he is a Republican.

  61. 61.

    MisterForkbeard

    @jl: I think realistically you’ve got 4 options:

    1. Let the disease spread as fast as you can, kill a ton of people as you overwhelm the hospital system entirely.

    2. Keep the disease controlled enough for the hospitals to treat people who get it, but accept that it’s going to get everywhere eventually.

    3. Shelter in place and buy time for better treatment and/or vaccine.

    4. Hard lock-down and other measures to get the disease down to infinitesimal levels, and lots of testing to quickly locate and isolate infected while waiting for #3.

    We’re going to end up doing #1 while pretending to do #2 because Trump is the laziest motherfucker there ever was, and he can’t allow Government to succeed at anything.

  62. 62.

    Brachiator

    @rikyrah:

    Women’s prison unit in louisiana with 195 prisoners.Just tested them.Of the 195… 192 are positive

    Damn. And 41 of the staff test positive as well. They take the virus home and further into the community.

    And the women inmates might have passed the virus on to visiting family, to their children.

    Just insane.

  63. 63.

    dexwood

    @WaterGirl:  I hear you. Fully understand. When I’m not raging about the Orange Plague, if only in my own head, I’m talking to the dogs, pulling weeds, reading fiction, cranking up the tunes, feeding my rescued Box Turtles. Retirement gives me opportunities I wish we all had to take that breath, have a moment of wonder. Doesn’t mean I don’t have moments of doubt and trepidation

  64. 64.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @jl:

    You make good points. This is the head of my county’s public health department saying this shit. Doesn’t inspire confidence. I’m what’s considered an “essential worker”, and I feel like I’m being sacrificed to prop up the economy so Trump can be reelected and escape possible prison time. It’s bullshit

    @TriassicSands:

    You don’t think the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans will be enough? This is only the beginning. Nothing lasts forever

  65. 65.

    hedgehog the occasional commenter

    @Miss Bianca: Socially distanced hug :)

    Went to my fave Mexican place for (takeout) chicken mole and house margarita.  Of the 10 or so of us in line 8 were masked, including me.  Restaurant staff had masks and gloves.  I rather ungenerously noted the No Step on Snek sticker on one of the cars in the parking lot, guessing the driver was one of the unmasked.

    Miss B, I shall raise a margarita in your honor.

  66. 66.

    dexwood

    @HumboldtBlue: There you go. That is positive action. I have a 30 years in the works small backyard that is my retreat.

    ETA: You have to guard your mental health these days, not just your physical health.

  67. 67.

    jl

    In infectious disease control, a common finding is that there is a horrid lose lose situation a society can get into. You manage to get high costs in life and money from too much disease, and high cost in life and money in a lot of ineffective control efforts. Most of the US, more than any other country, may have found that sour spot, and may have decided to stay there.

    I think more and more evidence that what makes the difference between an outrageous horribly expensive and costly utter disaster, from a manageable disaster that can be resolved, is effective control efforts. The evidence is what our lying eyes see in more and more countries, with different societies, different types of populations, different health and social systems. So, what should we believe, what Trumpster/GOP and political hacks tell us, or our lying eyes?

  68. 68.

    Brachiator

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    Dr. Kravec said the next step would be to achieve what’s known as “herd immunity,” in which most people have either been exposed to the coronavirus or vaccinated against it.

    This is fucking nonsense. No one knows whether herd immunity can be developed as a reaction to the virus. That the virus is apparently mutating may be one of many complicating factors.

    The early UK gamble on herd immunity was not based on science. It was not based on the recommendations of any medical expert. It was solely a political decision, most likely hatched by Boris Johnson and his chief political advisor Dominic Cummings.

  69. 69.

    Mike in NC

    Read that Fat Bastard said ‘some people may die’ after the country re-opens. Some people > 100,000?

  70. 70.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Ohio Mom:

    Yes. At the end of the day, he’s a Republican. This is the working group’s guidelines for reopening restaurants, being submitted to DeWine tomorrow:

    Guidelines to reopen Ohio restaurants to be submitted by Wednesday

    “We recognize the fact that we only have one shot to open this up safely,” said Jim Adams, the Canton City Health Commissioner. “It would be very difficult to go back and still have a viable business a second time around so, we want to do it right, we want to do it in a way that is safe and we want to do it in a way that helps folks get back to business yet still is safe for the public and the workers.”

    Adams couldn’t give specifics but says the guidelines will be centered on four different areas.

    1. Employee Health and Safety
    2. Customer Health and Safety
    3. Facilities
    4. Response

    “It’s very similar to what is being proposed for retail and other commercial offices, the guidance you’ve already seen,” Adams said.

    That guidance requires employees to wear face coverings, stay home if sick, frequently wash hands and sanitize and maintain social distancing, just to name a few.

    “The challenge with restaurants is they have to operationalize these general guidelines so that is going to be very specific to the type of facility and type of food facility that restaurant is operating,” Adams said

    Adams says capacity has been discussed, but did not think there will be a particular recommendation.

    The fact that there probably isn’t going to be capacity limits on restaurants is maddening. Didn’t these idiots look at the study out of China talking about how the air system in a restaurant can spread the virus around and infect customers?

  71. 71.

    jl

    Thing about extreme and lengthy shut downs is, that no one really knows the risks and costs of doing them or an extended open ended period of time, or doing them repeatedly with just short relieve intervals in between. They are a very expensive and costly control measures. They were originally planned for pandemic influenza, and designed to work with other effective control measures. So, you could plan a very extreme shut down, and then count on quick effective treatment, influenza outbreak control programs already in place, effective prophylactic treatments of exposed, to come to the rescue, like the cavalry fairly quickly. So quick end in sight for a draconian shut down.

    In California, where we are doing a shut down according to a decades long multi-disaster planning program, big problems are looming unless we can get out of it soon. Childhood immunization programs have ground to halt, more and more people with chronic conditions getting sick from not being able to, or too scared to go to doctor or dentist, or physical therapist. More small business and employees running out of resources.

    All the research I know of on extreme shut downs as a control measure assumed that society would have the wits and ability to get out of them quickly.

    The failure of the US to be able to wipe its public health ass on national level likely will produce horrible needless costs.

    And the thing is, that we can see more and more countries showing how to do better. Why not adapt some of their methods? I guess doing that is not The American Way anymore.

  73. 73.

    Jeffro

    Reposting from a previous thread (now that I have calmed down and lost the all caps): Mitch Daniels is already telling us plebes to look forward, not back.  And worst of all, he’s not even clear about whether he’s blaming the governors for being alarmist, the medical/health professionals for being…dramatic?…, the media for reporting on this pandemic, or trying to inoculate the GOP and trumpov for not taking Covid-19 seriously.

    But hey he gets some good shots in on Sweden for being soshulist, and that’s important, right?  And he gives some props to serious thinker Tom Friedman, so there’s that…

    UGH

  74. 74.

    Baud

    @jl:

    We have a major problem with about 40% of the population that holds us back.  Until we crack that nut, nothing is possible.

  75. 75.

    Duane

    @Brachiator: Every person in a nursing home, meat plant, or prison should be tested. Now. Not doing so is insane. Or criminal negligence. In some cases it’s just plain murder.

  77. 77.

    jl

    @Brachiator: “That the virus is apparently mutating may be one of many complicating factors.”

    Another issue is that letting the virus rip though mass quantities of people is a good way to encourage more mutations, and increase the chances of dangerous mutations.

    For 1918 pandemic flu, there were multiple outbreaks of dangerous flu in the various theaters of war, and they were covered up and ignored as much as possible for the sake of continuing the war effort. So, plenty of opportunity to for virus to mutate in order to fine tune ability to spread fast and kill mass quantities, to evolve to get that balance juusssstt right to kill more people than WWI did itself.

    Lotta reasons not to go the ‘let it rip’ route.

  79. 79.

    Calouste

    @jl: Churchill already said that Americans will always find the right solution, after they had tried everything else.

  80. 80.

    Brachiator

    @MisterForkbeard:

    We’re going to end up doing #1 while pretending to do #2 because Trump is the laziest motherfucker there ever was, and he can’t allow Government to succeed at anything.

    I don’t think that the US could endure a long lockdown. Even if you paid every citizen an emergency stipend, at some point the economy will degrade to the point where it would become difficult to maintain effective distribution of goods and services.

    But Trump’s idiocy and lack of leadership has made it difficult to rationally re-open while also developing good measures to deal with the pandemic (testing, etc.).

    Trump is acting as though the pandemic is done and that it is time to forget about it and move on. Even though various governors are trying to move more cautiously, citizens who pay attention to Trump will likely fuck things up and undermine efforts to get this thing contained.

  81. 81.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Brachiator:

    Fucking tell me about it. This is the guy in charge of my county’s public health department. He’s not a Republican AFAIK. The county is Dem controlled (of the ConservaDem variety). We’ve almost had 1000 confirmed cases so far with a population of 250,000

  82. 82.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    @Jeffro:

    Most-liked comment (of 1,700+), from Arlington Sandy:

    F U, Daniels. Only one party denied reality and peddled big lies that killed a lot of Americans.

  83. 83.

    E.

    We’ll hit 2350 dead today (in the U.S.) according to Worldometer.  This thing isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. Plenty of new sources of hosts. The only path forward is massive testing but honestly, without serious travel restrictions how can that work now? I fear this thing will be with us a long, long time. When it’s over every single one of us will work at Amazon or Wall Mart.

  84. 84.

    Brachiator

    @HumboldtBlue:

    The doctor advising Johnson on Covid-19 has stepped down.

    Ferguson is a good man. He belatedly convinced Johnson to impose a lockdown. His advice was initially ignored when the UK appeared to be trying for herd immunity. This lead to the virus spreading more through the country.

    I kinda wonder whether Ferguson was deliberately sandbagged. He fucked up big time, no question. But still.

    Also, early in, the chief health advisor to Scotland’s leader had to resign because she was caught twice visiting her vacation home, in violation of lockdown rules.

    Goddam, these Brits doing stupid shit. Especially those whose talents are needed.

  85. 85.

    jl

    @Brachiator: Bill Gates said a true thing early in this mess, even though he is a multi billionaire and could be as stupid as some of his colleagues. Gates noted that the economy won’t come back if there are bodies piling up in every corner.

    You can yell ‘open up! open up! For the sake of our exceptional America!’ all you want. People won’t go do stuff if they are afraid of getting themselves, and people they know, seriously sick or permanently dead.

    What will Trumpster/GOP machine do next, try to order the national guard to force people to go movies and shop at Walmarts? Looks like Trump tried to do that with the meat packing plants, and look at how well that is going. We are being run by murderous ignorant goofballs. And they are too stupid and arrogant to understand that their plans are futile even on their own terms

    Edit: and I am willing to bet that freezer trucks on every neighborhood to store the bodies seems nicer and more modernly efficient and clean and technological, but will be same as bodies piling up on every corner.

  88. 88.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Yutsano:

    And that’s the country’s public health agency advocating for that!

    “At least 50 percent of our death toll is within elderly homes and we have a hard time understanding how a lockdown would stop the introduction of disease,” Anders Tegnell, the chief state epidemiologist at Sweden’s public health agency, told the BBC’s Radio Four’s Today program last week.

    The decision to not issue a lockdown “worked in some aspects because our health system has been able to cope,” he noted.

    Tegnell also claimed last week that up to 20 percent of residents in the Swedish capital, Stockholm, have been infected with the virus, noting “We believe that we have an immunity level, if I remember rightly, somewhere between 15-20 percent of the population in Stockholm,” he told CNBC.

    “This is not complete herd immunity but it will definitely affect the reproduction rate and slow down the spread (of a second wave),” he said.

    Speaking to Newsweek, Peter Nilsson, a professor of internal medicine-epidemiology at Lund University, said earlier this week: “My personal view is that a temporary, local lockdown in severely affected areas could be one option if needed (and the government/parliament has passed a law to allow for such a decision), but still we are not there. The health care sector is strained but not overwhelmed. There are still extra capacities and a full reserve hospital in Stockholm not being used yet.”

    […]

    “Of special importance is also to protect the economy and avoid close-downs and widespread unemployment if possible, as otherwise the secondary damage done by the pandemic may kill many people or impact on reduced health care resources in the future,” he added.

  89. 89.

    RSA

    Something I haven’t seen mentioned in the news or elsewhere:

    We’re told that the primary reason for lockdown is to flatten the curve, to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system. This makes sense. In the U.S., however, we don’t know whether this is happening or not, at least as far as I can find out. Are hospitals being overwhelmed, with respect to ICU beds, ventilators, etc.? Where? By how much? Local reports can be found; here’s a sampling:

    VA (Virginia Hospital & Healthcare Association):

    vhha.com/communications/virginia-hospital-covid-19-data-dashboard/

    MA (Massachusetts Department of Public Health):

    mass.gov/doc/covid-19-dashboard-may-4-2020/download

    Santa Clara County, CA (Emergency Operations Center):

    sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/dashboard.aspx#hospital

    But I think it would help if there were a national, big-picture view of how well or how badly we’re doing. Unfortunately, we don’t have an executive branch capable of carrying it out.

  90. 90.

    HumboldtBlue

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    See, that’s the difference between California and the hellhole (Ohio?) you live in. Humboldt County has less than a hundred cases, no deaths with a population of 130K.

    We had our own clown show outside the courthouse the other day but in general, the overwhelming community reaction has been to pull back, isolate and keep safe spacing.

  91. 91.

    jl

    @Baud: “We could have had taco trucks.”

    No, taco trucks are worse. I remember a Trump hack saying that taco trucks on every corner was a sign of the approach of a dangerously aggressive culture.

    I got my gun and went to the fridge and shot my salsa to smithereens and I ain’t never looked back.

  92. 92.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    @jl:

    You can yell ‘open up! open up! For the sake of our exceptional America!’ all you want. People won’t go do stuff if they are afraid of getting themselves, and people they know, seriously sick or permanently dead.

    Obviously these people are not real patriotic Americans, maybe a tax cut will help.  Hell, I’m sure a tax cut will help.

  93. 93.

    Brachiator

    @Duane:

    Every person in a nursing home, meat plant, or prison should be tested. Now. Not doing so is insane. Or criminal negligence. In some cases it’s just plain murder.

    I hope officials are thinking about this creatively. The issue is with social spaces where people are together for extended periods, and places where the people in the social space cannot easily leave.

    So, this includes naval vessels. In California, there has been an outbreak at a drug treatment center. Care centers for disabled people may be at risk.

  94. 94.

    Ruckus

    @dmsilev:

    I would hope that if the granite statue of Lincoln stood up and flipped off shit for brains, he’d have stomped him into a small puddle as he was walking away……

  95. 95.

    Miss Bianca

    @hedgehog the occasional commenter: You will be happy (I think) to  hear that I decided to say “fuck this day” to the extent of indulging in some of our latest mead – we call it “Crimson and Clover”. As in clover honey, colored and flavored with hibiscus.

    We were hoping it would turn, y’know, crimson like the flower, but instead it has come out looking like pink grapefruit juice. Tho’ not tasting like it. ; )

  99. 99.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    @trollhattan:

    Seen recently: “How bad is it when Cinco de Mayo falls on Taco Tuesday but it’s canceled by a virus named after a Mexican beer?”

  100. 100.

    Brachiator

    @jl:

    Edit: and I am willing to bet that freezer trucks on every neighborhood to store the bodies seems nicer and more modernly efficient and clean and technological, but will be same as bodies piling up on every corner.

    A sizeable portion of the country is willing to risk their own lives and to jeopardize the lives of others. They have somewhat easily accepted the idea that their parents or grandparents might die, or their friends with health issues.

    And the deaths are not distributed evenly. Not yet. This is not like the plague, or even past yellow fever outbreaks in America, where the sick and dead were more visible.

    I am not sure that even video of morgues or ICU rooms would change some people’s minds.

  101. 101.

    jl

    @Brachiator: Big problem in CA right now is that the ‘decompression’ efforts to get homeless, prisons, nursing homes, out of dangerous over crowded conditions, are going more slowly than expected. CA government needs to get that problem fixed fast.

    A big proportion of homeless were fine to get to hotel rooms the state contracted. Others prefer tents and micro shelters, which are going up; some of those encampments with the new tents and microshelters are working OK, others are producing the same mess as before, except with those special tents instead of home made huts.

    Newsom said the CA reopening is starting this week, so I assume that the state thinks it can make rapid progress on the problem institutional and homeless populations. They had better or the CA reopen plan will stall.

  103. 103.

    rikyrah

    @Yutsano:

    Once again…

    Take Sweden’s 5; closest neighbors.

     

    Add up all their dead.

     

    Multiply it by THREE.

     

    THAT is Sweden’s death toll-ALONE

  105. 105.

    trollhattan

    Oh joy. Sorry, New York.

    On Tuesday night, a federal judge ordered New York to reinstate its June 23 presidential primary following a lawsuit by former candidate Andrew Yang, who sued the state on behalf of his fellow presidential candidates arguing that the cancellation due to the threat of the coronavirus “denies voters the right to vote.” The ruling from Judge Analisa Torres of the Southern District of New York concurred with Yang, determining that Governor Andrew Cuomo’s decision to cut the presidential primary violated the First and 14th Amendment rights of candidates who have suspended their campaigns.
    “If all but one of the presidential candidates are removed from the ballot and the primary is not held, Delegate Plaintiffs will be deprived of the opportunity to compete for delegate slots and shape the course of events at the Convention, and voters will lose the chance to express their support for delegates who share their views,” Judge Torres wrote. “The loss of these First Amendment rights is a heavy hardship.”
    Cuomo announced on April 27 that the state would not hold presidential primaries following the suspension of Bernie Sanders’s campaign, the last remaining serious contender to Vice-President Joe Biden. Cuomo posited that the nomination was at that point a lock for Biden, even though Sanders announced he would remain on primary ballots to gain delegates to influence the party platform at the Democratic National Convention.

  107. 107.

    Yutsano

    @rikyrah: I’m home about 90% of the time. Twice a week for physio. Once a week to shop. That’s it. I’m not going into any other businesses until this thing gets tampered down. And I need a haircut. Badly.

  111. 111.

    JoyceH

    I’m seeing articles that say that if 80% of the public wear masks in public, simple cloth masks or bandanas, the virus would drop below the reproduction rate and we could soon be in the clear. If only 80% of the country could do something that simple. Unfortunately, the Trumpists are still among us.

  114. 114.

    Duane

    @trollhattan: Hillary would’ve declared taco trucks an essential service under her war-time power and we’d have a truck on every corner by now.

  115. 115.

    Raoul

    I’m pretty sure Trump had the brilliant idea to do that interview at the foot of Abe specifically because he knew about the Lincoln Project. I’d imagine that a few people on his staff tried gently to suggest other ideas and were subjected to gales of anger.

    And then he handed Biden and other groups that golden opportunity! The media myth that he’s a brilliant at working the TV medium is pretty damned tattered after his shabby month+ of pressers, and then this Fox interview. Panic will do that to a guy.

  116. 116.

    rikyrah

    Black Americans represent just 13.4% of the American population, per the US Census Bureau, but account for more than half of all Covid-19 cases and almost 60% of deaths, according to a new study, reports @ShelbyLinErdman— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) May 6, 2020

  117. 117.

    Brachiator

    @cmorenc:

    The part of T.R. they still identify with is his aggressive assertiveness, forgetting that T.R.’s motto was “walk softly and carry a big stick”, not “walk like an angry buffalo and fling shit”.

    I thought it was “walk like an Egyptian, and shake a rhythm stick.”

  118. 118.

    Baud

    @mrmoshpotato:

    U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who has had a series of health scares, underwent non-surgical treatment for a gallbladder condition on Tuesday and is “resting comfortably,” a court spokeswoman said.

    Reuters

  119. 119.

    germy

    @JoyceH:

    I’m seeing articles that say that if 80% of the public wear masks in public, simple cloth masks or bandanas, the virus would drop below the reproduction rate and we could soon be in the clear. If only 80% of the country could do something that simple.

    Here’s something I’ve been seeing:  people wearing masks, but leaving their noses uncovered.  I saw several people walking around the farmers market like this.

  120. 120.

    Baud

    @Baud:

    CNN

    Ruth Bader Ginsburg underwent nonsurgical treatment for a benign gallbladder condition Tuesday afternoon at John Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, a court spokeswoman said in a statement.

    After the court’s first day of oral arguments by phone Monday morning, Ginsburg went for outpatient tests at a hospital in Washington. Those tests, according to the statement, “confirmed that she was suffering from a gallstone that had migrated to her cystic duct, blocking it and causing an infection.”

    Ginsburg is currently “resting comfortably” and will participate in Wednesday’s oral arguments by phone from the hospital. She expects to stay in the hospital for a “day or two

  123. 123.

    WaterGirl

    @rikyrah:

    They can open up whatever they want to.

    I’m not going anywhere ???

    Exactly.  I’m reading in horror today as people on BJ are setting doctor’s appointments because the doctor’s office called them.  Your doctor could be a RWNJ or getting pressure from above to open up, or even financial pressure.

    Anyone  EVERYONE who has a choice should plan to stay home for 3-4 weeks after the first phase of opening up, and watch what happens – before even thinking about going out for anything other than essentials.

  125. 125.

    germy

    @WaterGirl:

    I’m reading in horror today as people on BJ are setting doctor’s appointments because the doctor’s office called them.  Your doctor could be a RWNJ or getting pressure from above to open up, or even financial pressure.

    That was my reaction as well.

    I’ve got an appointment later this month.  My doc mailed me instructions on how to use telemedicine.  I’m wondering, though, if my old computer will cooperate.

  126. 126.

    trollhattan

    Saying the quiet things out loudt. Ladies and germs, Texas Governor Abbott.

    During a private call, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) admitted that “every scientific and medical report shows” state reopenings “ipso facto” lead to an increase in novel coronavirus cases, even as he publicly announced plans that same week to end an executive stay-at-home order in the state, the Daily Beast reports.

    Said Abbott: “Listen, the fact of the matter is pretty much every scientific and medical report shows that whenever you have a reopening—whether you want to call it a reopening of businesses or of just a reopening of society—in the aftermath of something like this, it actually will lead to an increase and spread. It’s almost ipso facto.”

    He added: “The more that you have people out there, the greater the possibility is for transmission. The goal never has been to get transmission down to zero.”

  128. 128.

    jl

    @JoyceH: What we need is a series of good base hits (if you like baseball metaphors) to get us out of this mess. You see stuff in the news that shows promise every day.

    One I saw was the putting a nylon stocking wrap under a mask greatly increases it’s efficiency , both in keeping out in you’re well, and keeping in if you’re sick. Was an article in JAMA that said evidence growing that face shields with masks for everyone a very good idea. Good estimates of cost of old fashioned outbreak control (contact tracking and self-quarantine) supplemented with some high tech would cost 300 billion to save trillions nationwide. Better understanding of how to keep the spitballs from turning into aerosols to allow revised health codes so business to open more safely. Using monitoring of oxygen levels to spot sick very early to keep ICU usage very low and vastly lower resources needed for infected. Sniffer dogs to spot very early infections, like they do cancer and explosives. Big question now is whether the kind of dogs that can do that will get sick themselves from the sniffing, but otherwise seems very promising.

    But, to adopt those on a national level, need national leadership and national programs. We have Trumpsters who dream of fantastical home runs quickly, and coincidentally, only those that will make money for Trump cronies. And a GOP that just don’t care, and doesn’t understand it’s plans won’t work on any level, not even their own.

    Certain states and regions may muddle through, but the country as a whole? I don’t even want to think about it.

  129. 129.

    WaterGirl

    @germy: My *not* RWNJ dermatologist’s office called today to cancel my appointment for next week and said they are not rescheduling until we know more about what’s coming next.

  130. 130.

    germy

    @trollhattan:

    “The goal never has been to get transmission down to zero.”

    He’s been taking “Say the quiet part out loud” lessons from PEETUS.

  131. 131.

    HumboldtBlue

    @WaterGirl:

    I’m of the opinion that even if the worst was to happen she and her people keep her on life support until the new president is sworn in. Fuck it, I have no fucking clue about the SC and its rules when it comes to an ill justice, but keep her going until we see what happens in November.

  132. 132.

    jl

    @trollhattan: But countries that have not fallen into disaster repeatedly with the epidemic have shown you need excellent outbreak control to keep that additional spread under control. So, lots of testing, very effective contact tracking and self-quarantine programs, very quick access of infected and sick to monitoring and good treatment, quick implementation of easy to follow new health and safety procedures with strict enforcement…

    Abbott have anything to say about that? Several countries have learned the tricks of that trade.

  134. 134.

    Brachiator

    @rikyrah:

    Black Americans represent just 13.4% of the American population, per the US Census Bureau, but account for more than half of all Covid-19 cases and almost 60% of deaths, according to a new study, reports

    Trying to get a link to the full report. People are drawing lots of false conclusions from headlines and quick takes.

    For example, there is an assumption that this is an urban problem, an issue about crowded cities. But a CNN story about the health study includes the following:

    “COVID-19 deaths were higher in disproportionally black rural and small metro counties,” the study noted.

  135. 135.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Oh fuck fuck shit. RBG is in the hospital. Not COVID-19 nor cancer, but some gall bladder thing, for which she had non-surgical treatment. But I am really over hearing the word “hospital” in the same sentence with Ruth Bader Ginsburg (or Jimmy Carter).

    Best wishes to her. Madam Justice, we really need you, now more than ever.

  136. 136.

    germy

    Thread:

    Over the past days I've been exploring extreme right-wing sites from all over the world again. There are various approaches to Corona which I will detail another time. What stands out: Uncontrolled infection seems to be the preferred approach – let me explain why:— Natascha Strobl (@Natascha_Strobl) April 7, 2020

  137. 137.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    don’t try to blackmail me with the Supreme Court, let’s talk about the Democratic Convention platform

  138. 138.

    Baud

    There’s a new poll showing Biden is leading Trump nationally 43-41, which down from his previous lead, but the media is pitching it as a Trump surge.  Probably an outlier.

  139. 139.

    Brachiator

    @germy:

    I’ve got an appointment later this month.  My doc mailed me instructions on how to use telemedicine.  I’m wondering, though, if my old computer will cooperate.

    I wonder if you could do some test of your computer. Do the instructions work for a smartphone?

    I’ve had some appointments postponed. My dentist sent an email noting his office changes because of the virus, and he noted that he was available for emergencies, but he didn’t try to push regular appointments.

  140. 140.

    jl

    @Baud: Doesn’t take much to create a ‘surge’ for an incumbent who can’t break 45 percent in the polls. Hope it stays that way.

  143. 143.

    SFAW

    @Brachiator: 

    I thought it was “walk like an Egyptian, and shake a rhythm stick.”

    I thought it was “hit me with your rhythm stick.”

  144. 144.

    Redshift

    @MisterForkbeard:

    4. Hard lock-down and other measures to get the disease down to infinitesimal levels, and lots of testing to quickly locate and isolate infected while waiting for #3. 

    This is the option that would actually allow businesses to open safely before a vaccine is available. But the modern GOP is too incompetent and too ideologically opposed to government action to do the one thing that would actually get them what they want.

    I found this extremely helpful:

    ncase.me/covid-19/

  146. 146.

    Brachiator

    @jl:

    But countries that have not fallen into disaster repeatedly with the epidemic have shown you need excellent outbreak control to keep that additional spread under control. So, lots of testing, very effective contact tracking and self-quarantine programs, very quick access of infected and sick to monitoring and good treatment

    The countries with universal health care and good wage subsidy systems probably do quite well with these programs.

    I noted this before, but I fear that people who might be worried about losing a job, or who do not have adequate health insurance would try to avoid testing, and might ignore self-quarantine requests.

  147. 147.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    @WaterGirl:

     EVERYONE who has a choice should plan to stay home for 3-4 weeks after the first phase of opening up, and watch what happens – before even thinking about going out for anything other than essentials.

    This.  But I will start going out to the boonies and start start shooting again.

  149. 149.

    jl

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: There was a big panic in CA when people thought fishing season was cancelled. I heard a fisherman say on a news spot ‘Newsom has to understand that fishing IS social distancing’.

    I guess same for going out into the boonies to take pix.

  154. 154.

    Mike in NC

    @lamh36:  Putin wants us all dead, and his puppet is only too happy to oblige as long as those loans are forgiven.

  156. 156.

    Redshift

    @WaterGirl: My retina specialist called to reschedule my appointment from this week to August. They’re open but postponing anything that can wait.

    I need to call and find out about my radiology and oncologist appointment that’s supposed to be in about a month. Almost two years cancer free (?), so I’ll trust her about whether to come in or delay. Even more concerning, I’m sure there will be people in the building who are much more at risk than me, and I don’t want to put anyone in danger.

  157. 157.

    rikyrah

    Watching Maddow

    Cases in Iowa due to meat packing plants

    200+

    400+

    700+

     

    In each case, the plant hid the testing results.

     

    Another place in Nebraska…

    96 so far….

    Rest of the test results due tomorrow ???

  158. 158.

    WaterGirl

    @Redshift: Two years, that is so wonderful!

    I’m sorry you have the added stress of having to think about all that.  You and everyone else in that position.

    Still, congratulations!!!

  160. 160.

    Duane

    @jl: This administration can’t be trusted to do one damn thing right. Trumpov was bragging  about all the PPE’s being produced now. Send every household in the US ten masks. A simple cost-effective act. Print MAGA on them, whatever. Just do something right for once.

  163. 163.

    Redshift

    @lamh36:

    Son of a bitch! 

    I was reading about that earlier today. Apparently it’s a regulation change they proposed last year, because “burdensome regulations,” ya know. The regs were already weak enough that it’s not certain if this change will actually weaken them under current conditions. If I remember right, it changes requiring a part-time infection control specialist to requiring it be “adequate,” and it could be argued that adequate is more than part time. But of course that’s not the intention.

  168. 168.

    Sab

    @Duane: I saw that one of our local mexican restaurants that is otherwise closed has put a taco truck in the parking lot.

  174. 174.

    Brachiator

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Prof Ferguson, whose advice to the prime minister led to the UK lockdown, said he regretted “undermining” the messages on social distancing.

    It follows a Daily Telegraph story that a woman, said to be his “married lover”, visited his home in lockdown.

    Forgot to mention that the UK Daily Telegraph is right wing, and its editors supposedly have personal links to Conservative Party leaders.

  176. 176.

    Another Scott

    DeLong:

    Worst Coronavirus Response in the World Led by the Most Incompetent, Ignorant, and Undisciplined President Imaginable: Donald Trump

    Why a I not surprised that the most incompetent, ignorant, and undisciplined president imaginable backed up by the worst and most corrupt political party in the world produces the worst response to coronavirus in the world?: Andy Slavitt ‘COVID-19 seems to be a uniquely tough American foe twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1257477774220066827. The rest of the world is figuring it out. The Czech Republic did it with masks. China with isolation. Germany with testing. Hong Kong with experience. New Zealand with alerts. Greece with discipline. The cost of these lessons is already too high. But it is not beyond our power to change it. But I’m afraid [that] to change this, we do have to first face it…

    [ ft.com graph ]

    Other countries have the virus on the run. We have the virus plateaued—falling cases in Greater New York, rising cases elsewhere, and we are about to step down social distancing in much of “elsewhere”…

    Grrr….

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  177. 177.

    TruthOfAngels

    @Brachiator: Indeed, and counts among its former contributors a certain Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson.

    But . . . I mean, he did admit it, and it was shitty hypocrisy, and he had to go. Doesn’t mean the Torygraph didn’t slant their coverage (they referred to the woman in the case as ‘left-wing’ in the original but have now deleted that bit without acknowledging the deletion, the slimy wankers) but it’s not ‘social distancing for thee, but not for me’. That’s not how viruses work.

  178. 178.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    @Baud:

    The Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted online, in English, throughout the United States.

  184. 184.

    different-church-lady

    @rikyrah: This “we’re not going to test you until it’s fucking obvious you’ve got it even without the test” bullshit has GOT TO STOP.

  186. 186.

    different-church-lady

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    Dr. Kravec said the next step would be to achieve what’s known as “herd immunity,” in which most people have either been exposed to the coronavirus or vaccinated against it.

    Oh. So exposed it is then!

  188. 188.

    EmbraceYourInnerCrone

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): shooter is a a former and apparently at least some of the local LEOs and prosecutors wanted to make the case to away but the murdered man’s family were not going to let it get swept under the rug.  From what t I have read the last couple days the first DA tried to make go away and was forced to recuse them self second one did too, the third one reviewed and facing public pressure to do something in the face of a blatant murder finally decided on th grand jury route.

  189. 189.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Stipulating that I don’t know anything about the methodology of this poll and I don’t think polls matter till after Labor Day…. Wow!

    Political Polls @ PpollingNumbers ·3
    #Colorado Poll President
    Biden 53%
    Trump 35%
    #COSen
    Hickenlooper (D) 48%
    Gardner (R-Inc) 31%
    Montana State/UDenver

  190. 190.

    Anya

    @lamh36: I’ve been raging about this all day. The DA is supposed to be seeking justice for the people not covering up for murderers. These monsters are going to be out living their lives, at least until June because In Georgia somehow tattoo parlors can open now but juries can’t be convened until June.

  191. 191.

    James E Powell

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Well, the elder murderer worked as a DA investigator for 20 years so it’s not like he wasn’t known. Whether or not the murdering fucks see justice is another thing.

    I’d lay a 20 right now that he won’t be convicted of anything

    ETA – Just checked out of curiosity. Glynn County GA (Sea Island, Jekyll Island) went 63.5% for Kemp. Make that a 50.

  193. 193.

    The Pale Scot

    @Brachiator:

    Goddam, these Brits doing stupid shit

    The Anglos globally are Kray Kray

     

    In particular the US, the UK and Aus have been enthusiastic boosters for a neoliberal, bigoted, atomistic form of individualism whose ethos appears to be the Constitution IS a suicide pack. Compare to Germany and other countries where I have read comments to the effect of “we have organize and coordinate our actions”. Rupart’s the disease that’s needs to die. Foxless countries other than Brazil and the Philippines don’t seem have this problem

  197. 197.

    The Pale Scot

    Nobody is going to sign any long term contracts to do anything not related to virus until the spread and/or mortality rates are under control and predictable. Subprime car and consumer loans, huge hole. Retail construction will be dead for years. The Fed’s not going to quantitive ease our way out of this. Stock valuations are still ridiculously high.

    Fiercest Economic Collapse in History is Best Month for Stock Market

    Buffett Stays on Sidelines With Cash Rising to $137 Billion

     

    If you sell now at a loss you can use that against income tax this year and buy back what you sold later in the year. If you think there’s a limit to fabulists on WS and at the Fed and Treasury. But I’ve bearish for years only to be told that it’s the only game in town so what can you do. There’s a shitload of money in dark accounts globally that can be used to manipulate markets and governments. In a pinch Putin can have someone thrown out a window no matter where he is.

     

    Hyman Roth “in partnership with a friendly government.”

     

    Shit Cuba’s sounding good if it wasn’t for the heat and the hurricanes

  198. 198.

    Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]

    @rikyrah: The obvious response it to turn on your VPN and start spamming every single republican office-holders and $2000 donor in the state of Ohio to that website.

  200. 200.

    Chris Johnson

    @Duane: Send every household in the US ten masks. A simple cost-effective act. Print MAGA on them, whatever. Just do something right for once.

    I don’t trust them not to put COVID on them.

    People keep acting like Trump and his key players (such as McConnell, and some of the MAGA people) are NOT actively working for the Russians to kill and destroy as much of this country as they possibly can.

    It would be nice if that wasn’t true. Much like COVID immunity… not good enough evidence to be sure of the ‘want to believe’ outcome.

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