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You are here: Home / Healthcare / COVID-19 / Hey, Look! Another Post About Kristi Noem

Hey, Look! Another Post About Kristi Noem

by @heymistermix.com|  May 22, 20201:12 pm| 88 Comments

This post is in: COVID-19, Trumpery

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If you want to read about how Kristi wrote a note to Daddy Trump and waah waah waahed about the CRST and Oglala Sioux Tribe (Pine Ridge) running checkpoints and infringing on precious freedums, Wonkette has that covered. Instead, I want to write about the excellent marshaling of resources by the tiny Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe (CRST). There will be pictures and visual aids, but no test, so the rest is going below the fold.

Let’s start with a mini geography lesson.

The Cheyenne River Reservation, my friends, is fucking huge. See it in red there? At 4,300 square miles, if it were a state, it would rank be between Delaware and Connecticut in physical size. (If you add in the Standing Rock Reservation, which borders it to the north, noted in green above, those two reservations together would be about the size of Massachusetts.) For scale, it is ~220 miles from Pierre (on the south part of this map) to Bismarck (on the north part).

The second thing about the rez it that it’s empty. Here’s a pic I took along the Moreau River on Highway 65 in late April, 2019 – and, yes, that is snow. This is near the west-central border of the rez.

And here’s one taken around the same time near the south-central border of the rez. You get the idea. There are roughly 12,000 tribe members living in this massive empty area.

At the onset of the pandemic, the tribe had 8 hospital beds, 6 respirators, no ICU, a few doctors and nurses, and one respiratory tech. The nearest big hospitals are in Rapid City or Bismarck (2-3 hours away). Tribe members have a high rate of obesity, diabetes and alcoholism. A year ago the CRST health team fought off an outbreak of HIV. Given this dire state of affairs, CRST leadership didn’t have the luxury of being like Kristi Noem, who seems mainly interested in opening her stupid piehole on Fox News as often as possible. So the chairman of the CRST did this:

[…] the tribe installed checkpoint teams at nine locations on improved roads heading into the reservation, including on U.S. 212 and on state roads 20, 34, 63 and 65.

At each site, vehicles heading onto or off of the reservation are stopped and drivers and passengers are asked a series of medical questions, including about their recent human contacts and their destinations. All the information is then tracked, and if questions arise, [Intergovernmental Affairs Coordinator] Bald Eagle or another top tribal or medical official is contacted to confer about what to do next.

Tribal members or those who are simply passing through the reservation without stopping are typically allowed to drive on, Bald Eagle said. Those without a clear destination, or who may draw the suspicion of checkpoint officers, can be turned away. In a recent week, Bald Eagle said that thousands of vehicles had approached the checkpoints and that only 13 had been turned away.

“The rationale is to have an early warning system, and to track the movement of transportation on and around the reservation,” he said.

He also locked down the nursing home, set up health hotlines, put more meat in the freezers and coolers, kept the school lunch program going to feed kids, hired 30 more law enforcement officers to enforce a curfew, and set up a program to call all the old people sheltering in place every single day to see what they need.

To date, Cheyenne River has had one case, and because of their checkpoints, the way they handled that case saved God knows how many lives:

When a woman returned to the reservation after spending time in Pierre in March, she was asked questions about potential exposure to the virus. The woman told checkpoint officers she had been at a motel in Pierre where an employee was rumored to have been infected, so the woman was immediately placed in self-isolation and monitored for symptoms.

When she displayed symptoms, she was placed in a medical quarantine and eventually transferred to Monument Health in Rapid City, where she received treatment and has recovered. While she was hospitalized, the tribe did two things, Bald Eagle said: The tribe steam-cleaned and disinfected the woman’s home, and officials alerted the state to the potential hot-spot at the motel in Pierre.

This is what Kristi Noem is complaining to Trump about–a textbook pandemic response run on a shoestring. South Dakota would be lucky to have a government with 1/10 of the competence of the CRST leadership, but instead they have Dollar Store Sarah Palin.

(This is mostly a summary of this excellent Argus Leader story if you want more details.)

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  1. 1.

    Eric U.

    May 22, 2020 at 1:21 pm

    Thanks for the pictures.  Seems like a really reasonable policy.

  2. 2.

    Princess

    May 22, 2020 at 1:24 pm

    What is happening at these checkpoints is what should be happening, and isn’t, at our airports. No questions, no screening even for people entering the country from hotspots after our state of emergency was declared.

  3. 3.

    Roger Moore

    May 22, 2020 at 1:25 pm

    South Dakota would be lucky to have a government with 1/10 of the competence of the CRST leadership, but instead they have Dollar Store Sarah Palin.

    That’s what they’re so angry about.  It’s bad enough for GOP governors to be shown up by the Democrats.  It’s that much more embarrassing for them to look bad compared to a Tribal Chairman.

  4. 4.

    PeakVT

    May 22, 2020 at 1:30 pm

    The CRST response reminds of this article on the successful response in Kerala.  Leadership matters, and Noem and Trumpolini are providing the wrong kind.

  5. 5.

    Kent

    May 22, 2020 at 1:37 pm

    What we are learning is that effective pandemic response requires the OPPOSITE skills and techniques that conservatives are competent at.

    It requires that people and agencies at every level COOPERATE and work together

    It requires effective deployment of a government-run bureaucracy to test and contract-trace.

    It requires that the majority act with altruism rather than selfishess.

    That is actually why many poor countries are doing so much better than us.  Especially those not run by right-wing men.

  6. 6.

    bemused

    May 22, 2020 at 1:40 pm

    Rational, competent, moral Americans are toxic to trump villagers and must be thwarted and rendered powerless at all costs.

  7. 7.

    Brachiator

    May 22, 2020 at 1:48 pm

    When she displayed symptoms, she was placed in a medical quarantine and eventually transferred to Monument Health in Rapid City, where she received treatment and has recovered. While she was hospitalized, the tribe did two things, Bald Eagle said: The tribe steam-cleaned and disinfected the woman’s home, and officials alerted the state to the potential hot-spot at the motel in Pierre.

    This was so obviously the right thing to do.

    In a non-crazy world, state authorities would be doing everything they could to support tribal leaders.

  8. 8.

    Jeffro

    May 22, 2020 at 2:06 pm

    Man, between Noem, Pompeo, Hawley, Cotton, Cruz, Rubio, Pence, and Haley, I just can’t decide who’s going to win the 2024 GOP Performative Jackass Award aka the Republican nomination.  So many exciting choices, all trying to out-asshole the other for the trumpistas’ votes.

    Please proceed, Republicans.

  9. 9.

    HumboldtBlue

    May 22, 2020 at 2:06 pm

    In honor of Betty’s post below I just broke my longstanding practice of not smoking cannabis during the daylight hours because it’s fucking Friday that’s why and it ain’t like I got a fucking job to go to.

    I’ve learned over the past 17 years that local tribes know exactly how to handle public crises in their communities, they’ve had to go it alone since the Europeans showed up so they have plenty of experience.

  10. 10.

    West of the Cascades

    May 22, 2020 at 2:07 pm

    Shit, if anyone should understand the importance of controlling borders and keeping “suspect” people out, it’s Trump. The Cheyenne River Reservation should be one of the first places Biden visits when he starts traveling again.

  11. 11.

    The Moar You Know

    May 22, 2020 at 2:14 pm

    Man, between Noem, Pompeo, Hawley, Cotton, Cruz, Rubio, Pence, and Haley, I just can’t decide who’s going to win the 2024 GOP Performative Jackass Award aka the Republican nomination.  So many exciting choices, all trying to out-asshole the other for the trumpistas’ votes.

    Please proceed, Republicans.

    @Jeffro:  The big man is going to be running too, assuming he loses this one and lives four more years on hamberders and rage (he’s like my psycho narcissist mom, he’s gonna live to be a hundred).

    That’s going to be real interesting.

  12. 12.

    artem1s

    May 22, 2020 at 2:15 pm

    I wonder how much collective memory and understanding their own history prompted the Tribal Leaders to act quickly and proactively?  I wonder if Kristi Noem’s complete cluelessness about our history of biological genocide of indigenous people has anything to do with her, well, complete cluelessness of how perpetrating a biological massacre will play out in the realm of public opinion.

    Obligatory

    youtube.com/watch?v=Yz4a_ipi1eA

  13. 13.

    The Moar You Know

    May 22, 2020 at 2:18 pm

    In honor of Betty’s post below I just broke my longstanding practice of not smoking cannabis during the daylight hours because it’s fucking Friday that’s why and it ain’t like I got a fucking job to go to.

    @HumboldtBlue:  Your rule was made to be broken.  I have always been told that daytime is the best time for some THC.

    Hell, my “5PM” drinking rule has been covided down to “should be after 930AM, but whatever”

  14. 14.

    Elizabelle

    May 22, 2020 at 2:19 pm

    AP item.  “Breaking News”.  Der Trump is insisting churches open this weekend.  For politics.  Not for public health.   And I doubt he can forces churches that don’t want to reopen to do so.
    Trump calls on churches and other houses of worship to reopen this weekend

    President Donald Trump on Friday said he has deemed churches and other houses of worship “essential” and called on governors to allow them to reopen this weekend despite the threat of the coronavirus.

    “Today I’m identifying houses of worship — churches, synagogues and mosques — as essential places that provide essential services,” Trump said during a hastily arranged press conference Friday. He said if governors don’t abide by his request, he will “override” them, though it’s unclear what authority he has to do so.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had prepared reopening guidelines for churches and other houses of worship weeks ago, but the White House had refused to release them until Thursday when Trump abruptly changed course.

    “I said ‘You better put it out.’ And they’re doing it,” Trump said Thursday at a Ford Motor Co. plant repurposed to make ventilators in Michigan. “And they’re going to be issuing something today or tomorrow on churches. We got to get our churches open.”

  15. 15.

    artem1s

    May 22, 2020 at 2:20 pm

    @Brachiator:

    In a non-crazy world, state authorities would be doing everything they could to support tribal leaders. exactly the same thing in their states

    FTFY

  16. 16.

    debbie

    May 22, 2020 at 2:21 pm

    Oh, screw that stupid bitch.

  17. 17.

    Miss Bianca

    May 22, 2020 at 2:21 pm

    @Elizabelle: It’s like he’s actively trying to murder *his own*, now. Which I wouldn’t actually mind, if he and his own weren’t also going to take us along as hostages.

  18. 18.

    trollhattan

    May 22, 2020 at 2:22 pm

    The concept of a low-budget edition Sarah Palin is very distressing. That she holds elected office is nigh on criminal.

  19. 19.

    Mai naem mobile

    May 22, 2020 at 2:23 pm

    @Jeffro: you forgot DeSantis, Ducey and the female Alabama Governor. Also, Abbott and the Kill Grandma Texas Lieutenant Governor. If they lose the Senate this year they’ll go with a governor. If Biden goes with Duckworth, Abbott’s stock will go up because he’s in a wheelchair. Like they thought Palin was the equivalent of HRC.

  20. 20.

    The Moar You Know

    May 22, 2020 at 2:23 pm

    I wonder how much collective memory and understanding their own history prompted the Tribal Leaders to act quickly and proactively? 

    @artem1s: I’m not native but you don’t need to be to understand these simple things, as seen from any indigenous culture’s perspective:

    1.  white folks don’t give a shit if you live or die
    2.  white folks’ diseases will always kill far more of you than them.

    Noem certainly knows all these things.  She has a career path, and these days, the more bodies you can pile up climbing the GOP ladder, the better you’ll do.  Because GOP voters are now actively rewarding their politicians when they kill people.

    The leaders know that, too.

  21. 21.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 22, 2020 at 2:25 pm

    My first longish comment disappeared, so I will just TL;DR it.  I bet everything they are doing is within their treaty rights.

  22. 22.

    waratah

    May 22, 2020 at 2:26 pm

    I immediately understood this situation when I first read about it. Hopefully your map, photos and story will help others to understand. Thank you.

  23. 23.

    debbie

    May 22, 2020 at 2:27 pm

    @artem1s:

    I wonder if Kristi Noem’s complete cluelessness about our history of biological genocide of indigenous people has anything to do with her, well, complete cluelessness of how perpetrating a biological massacre will play out in the realm of public opinion.

    It’s not even that difficult. Does she know nothing about it not being the state’s property?

  24. 24.

    dmsilev

    May 22, 2020 at 2:27 pm

    @Elizabelle: I read about that. A literal death cult.

  25. 25.

    Elizabelle

    May 22, 2020 at 2:29 pm

    @Miss Bianca:   I know.  “hastily called news conference” is a tell.  As is, he may be without power to enforce this.

    What is he distracting from NOW??

    And apologies for tromping on the CRST thread.  Think peeps are kinda discussing the churches “order” on previous thread.

    Glad that mistermix defined, because CRST says major trucking company to me.  (Prosecuted successfully for sexual harassment, too.  Cedar Rapids Steel Transport.)

  26. 26.

    Elizabelle

    May 22, 2020 at 2:32 pm

    @dmsilev:   Would be fine with me if this was not creating “Vectors for Christ” and Allah.  Who will infect and possibly kill a lot of vulnerable people who had the smarts not to attend large gatherings.

    Kind of hoping that Islamic mosques will be way more sensible, on the whole.  Just learning about some medieval Islamic medical healers, and how they were ahead of their Christian contemporaries by centuries.

    Pope Francis, trained as a professional scientist, takes COVID very seriously.

  27. 27.

    Barbara

    May 22, 2020 at 2:33 pm

    @Elizabelle: A lot of churches closed before official orders were issued.  People who attend churches — especially in rural areas — tend to be older.  I assume that those that closed because they had concerns for their members will stay closed.

    Regarding the subject of this post, it is legitimately harder for a high population area to impose comparable restrictions, however, this shows what could and should be done in those places where at risk populations are concentrated, such as nursing homes.  Good for the tribe in protecting its members.  They are obviously at much higher risk and Governor Noem so evidently doesn’t give a crap about their well-being.

  28. 28.

    Mary G

    May 22, 2020 at 2:34 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    The Church is not a building.The Church is a people.People are essential.— Be A King (@BerniceKing) May 22, 2020

  29. 29.

    Other Suzanne

    May 22, 2020 at 2:38 pm

    What does she think ‘ol shitface is gonna do? Decree via tweet that they remove the checkpoints?!

    If they waited for this maladministration for help, they’d be SOL, like the rest of us. I sit here smh, thinking, ‘When will this nightmare end?’ I can’t take too much more of this. And the thought of him stealing the election makes me wanna holla!!

  30. 30.

    dmsilev

    May 22, 2020 at 2:38 pm

    @Elizabelle: Here in California, a bunch of churches (like, over a thousand of them) told the governor that they were going to reopen this weekend.

  31. 31.

    August West

    May 22, 2020 at 2:41 pm

     instead they have Dollar Store Sarah Palin

    You’re being a tad overly generous, I consider Kristi Noem to be a 99 Cents Store Sarah Palin.

  32. 32.

    HumboldtBlue

    May 22, 2020 at 2:41 pm

    @The Moar You Know:

    I think one of the reasons it was easy to break was because I awoke in a state of mild panic this morning.

    In my dreams I had convinced myself that tara Reade was the woman I had interviewed several times regarding sexual assault and trafficking.

    I even texted my former editor and she was laughing at me a bit. I interviewed Elle Snow who is getting more exposure for her work with victims and identifying predators. She’s a survivor of trafficking herself and tells a compelling story.

  33. 33.

    Miss Bianca

    May 22, 2020 at 2:42 pm

    @Elizabelle: In the meantime, I am so stealing “Vectors for Christ”.

  34. 34.

    eemom

    May 22, 2020 at 2:43 pm

    The more trumpfucks drop dead from packing into churches or whatever the better. If only they could manage it without killing others.

  35. 35.

    kindness

    May 22, 2020 at 2:47 pm

    Republicans have a curious definition of sovereignty.  It sure seems to look like Republicans think it is only applicable when Republicans use it.  Treaties?  Bah!  Humbug.

    Just because the tribe allowed a road to be cut through their reservation does not mean the tribe doesn’t still control that land.  Republicans for some reason think that acting line whiney children is a good look.  I don’t get that part.

  36. 36.

    Barbara

    May 22, 2020 at 2:47 pm

    @eemom: Yeah, if only.  My husband grew up in a really rural area that reliably votes red, and churches closed before they were required to.  A majority of the church goers are elderly and truly concerned for their health.  We’ve had several people in the area tell us that they know they would be dead if they got it and they are doing everything they can to take precautions.  I am sure there are people who are heedless, but I really wonder if this is a case where the loud mouths are masking the reality of how most people feel.

  37. 37.

    Elizabelle

    May 22, 2020 at 2:48 pm

    @Miss Bianca: 

    Please do! They are.

  38. 38.

    NotMax

    May 22, 2020 at 2:49 pm

    @Elizabelle

    It’s roostering – pre-emptively (and noisily) claiming credit for something that’s going to take place regardless.

  39. 39.

    Elizabelle

    May 22, 2020 at 2:50 pm

    @Barbara:   It could be a good illustration of Trump’s fantasy and what the communities actually do.

    People staying away in droves, to protect their health and the health of their loved ones and communities, will be its own example.

  40. 40.

    Gin & Tonic

    May 22, 2020 at 2:50 pm

    @Elizabelle: As the esteemed philosopher said: “If people don’t want to come out to the park, nobody’s gonna stop ’em.”

  41. 41.

    lafcolleen

    May 22, 2020 at 2:52 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Ah hell no!  we just got guidelines from the Archdiocese of Chicago and we are only opening up for weddings, funerals, baptisms and confession.  Limited to 10 people with social distancing AND required masks and cleaning between events.

    considering that the Catholic Church already has concerns about our decline in new clergy and our aging clergy population, we are not going to go just reopen and risk killing off a significant portion of our clergy so President shitforbrains can declare victory.

    we aren’t being religiously persecuted!  WE ARE TRYING TO PROTECT LIFE!

  42. 42.

    Elizabelle

    May 22, 2020 at 2:53 pm

    @lafcolleen:   You just reminded me.

    How wonderful is it to live in a time when “protecting life” means “greatly limiting in person worship services.”

    Take that, prolifers.  We see you!

  43. 43.

    Elizabelle

    May 22, 2020 at 3:03 pm

    @dmsilev:  Good job, LA Times, with the photo of those angry white people in red shirts in Huntington Beach.  All that is missing is the MAGA hats.  You know those critters have them.

    It’s more of the “Reopen” [so Trump can be re-elected] crowd.

    giveaway:  “Freedom is Essential.”  “All Jobs are Essential.”

    Not a mask in sight, although these protesters might be somewhat socially distanced.  Can’t tell with the camera angle.

  44. 44.

    Emma from FL

    May 22, 2020 at 3:04 pm

    @lafcolleen: Our church here in Miami is considering setting up masses by appointment, in the sense of “only a certain number per mass and assigned seating so as to preserve social distancing and you must call ahead so we can tell you yes or no.” A number of us feel that it’s just a system to help the elderly who are very emotionally dependent on that daily or weekly contact.

  45. 45.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    May 22, 2020 at 3:07 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    High percentage of medical professionals attend mosques around Louisville. They’ll be sensible. Ditto for Reform synagogues, as well as Roman Catholic, Episcopalian and Eastern Orthodox parishes.

    I got no idea how the Orthodox are going to handle Eucharist and the antidoron (blessed bread) at the close of service. Eucharist is a community cup and single spoon. I noted that some guidance from the Greek Metropolitan for North America allowed for bows in veneration of icons and as greeting.

  46. 46.

    Elizabelle

    May 22, 2020 at 3:11 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:   Yes, interesting.

    And had not realized it is Pentecost. We know of der Trump and his plans for Easter weekend.

  47. 47.

    Ladyraxterinok

    May 22, 2020 at 3:25 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Trump will be seen by many Evangelicals as once again doing God’s will and saving Christianity from the democrats (working for the devil) who want to control Christian’s and stop them from preaching ‘God’s message’ of anti-abortion and ‘homosexuality as abomination’ See JimBakker show with Zach Drew and Mario Murillo minisyries

  48. 48.

    Barbara

    May 22, 2020 at 3:29 pm

    @Emma from FL: Again, in the rural area where my husband grew up, the African American churches were some of the last to close, and I think it was in deference to how important many of these churches are in the life of their members.  Still, they are at higher risk generally.  The county is now a hot spot, though generally, infections are centered in the prison and a nursing home.  I guarantee you most people are not taking it for granted.

  49. 49.

    barbequebob

    May 22, 2020 at 3:35 pm

    @Elizabelle: Praise the Lord and pass the ‘Rona!

  50. 50.

    eemom

    May 22, 2020 at 3:38 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    Greece itself is actually kicking ‘rona ass. Very proud of my people

    On another note, it’s been so long since I went to church that I forgot all about that icon kissing thing. Ew.

  51. 51.

    theturtlemoves

    May 22, 2020 at 3:51 pm

    I stole your line about Dollar Store Sarah Palin and got tone policed on Facebook by an old classmate who still lives in South Dakota and is a rather conservative fellow.  He’s not a Trump fan, but he’s still solid in the R column.  I conceded it wasn’t terribly mature but I still found it funny as hell.  And good on the L/N/Dakota for fighting.  Having been on Pine Ridge several times in my youth, those folks have enough problems without a pandemic.

  52. 52.

    O. Felix Culpa

    May 22, 2020 at 3:57 pm

    @The Moar You Know: Heh. I had a psycho narcissist mom. She did not live to be a hundred.

  53. 53.

    debbie

    May 22, 2020 at 4:00 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    Colbert ran a photo of a priest using a squirt gun to dispense holy water. I thought it surprisingly ingenious.

  54. 54.

    Juju

    May 22, 2020 at 4:04 pm

    @Jeffro: You forgot Sasse.

  55. 55.

    bemused

    May 22, 2020 at 4:07 pm

    @artem1s:

    I’d bet she does know and thinks it’s a great opportunity to further harass a non-white group she thinks is a “problem” for people like her.

  56. 56.

    Ruckus

    May 22, 2020 at 4:12 pm

    @debbie:

    I’d bet she does know. But she, like every other rethuglican wants to collect property tax or some tax from the reservation. But she can’t because it is the tribes property, not state jurisdiction, and I believe not even federal jurisdiction for the most part.

  57. 57.

    Brachiator

    May 22, 2020 at 4:13 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Here in California, a bunch of churches (like, over a thousand of them) told the governor that they were going to reopen this weekend.

    Defiance is increasing, and I saw something that Trump was going to declare churches to be “essential” places that should be allowed to re-open.

    Newsom should look for some way to get on top of this. The pastors have claimed that they will observe social distancing.

    The pastors who signed onto the letter intend to open their churches to parishioners on May 31, with or without the governor’s permission, the letter says. They will advise churchgoers to follow social distancing guidelines.

    The pastors should agree to make this mandatory, not optional.

    The pastors should also record attendance to help the state track down people if necessary.  The Times story notes possible consequences.

    If the pastors do, in fact, hold services for Pentecost, it would not be the first time a congregation has flouted Newsom’s order. On Mother’s Day, Palermo Bible Family Church in Butte County held an in-person service; one of the roughly 180 churchgoers subsequently tested positive for COVID-19. County officials said they are now trying to track down every attendee and instruct them to self-quarantine.

    Churchgoers may have freedom of worship. But they don’t have a right to infect others.

     

    ETA: Big Bear Lake is going the next step in defiance:

    A popular Southern California mountain resort city is heading into the Memorial Day weekend with a decision to not enforce Gov. Gavin Newsom’s orders aimed at slowing the spread of the coronavirus.

    The city of Big Bear Lake argues it has kept COVID-19 cases manageable and there has been significant economic harm.

    The city says it encourages social distancing, face coverings and good hygiene, but it has no legal responsibilities to enforce the state orders.

     

  58. 58.

    jonas

    May 22, 2020 at 4:15 pm

    Pretty bleak — but essential — story in the LATimes today about how this national tragedy is being experienced mostly by working-class POC, prisoners, and by the very ill and elderly in nursing homes — in other words, “those people.” This has allowed Trump and the Republicans to weaponize the economic shutdown because for a lot of white people, particularly in rural areas, that’s really been their only view of this: having to close their businesses “for no good reason.” They haven’t had to watch someone they love slowly suffocate to death in an ICU.

    It’s the AIDS epidemic all over again.

  59. 59.

    Elie

    May 22, 2020 at 4:16 pm

    Ministers have a responsibility to keep their people safe.  Its really on them more than anyone else, I don’t care whether congregants make the decision to come on their own.  If the minister invites them, he/she is placing an “attractive hazard” that can result in serious harm. Anyone over 60 for sure needs to probably not attend in person, even with mask and social distancing. Forget barefaced.  Add that its indoors in typically a non well ventilated room.

    Church services typically include many vocal call/response components,  or singing which can project droplets many feet away – more than 6 feet.  Here in WA state, a chorus in Skagit County had a huge outbreak from choir practice with two deaths.  Many of the choristers were over 60.

    Right now, with all this “opening up”, the risk is even greater since these folks will go not only home, but to shop in now open stores or to work and get other physical services.

    Its crazy — this horrible, me, me, me — as though people really understand the risk of serious illness or death as a valid choice they really want to make over taking some precautions for themselves and others……  I don’t get it…. crazy

  60. 60.

    Brachiator

    May 22, 2020 at 4:21 pm

    @Elie:

    Ministers have a responsibility to keep their people safe. Its really on them more than anyone else

    Ministers may be likely to try to invoke the magical “God will protect you” mumbo jumbo to evade responsibility.

    And had not realized it is Pentecost

    I am, fortunately, so far removed from any organized religion that I don’t really know what Pentecost is supposed to be. And not much interested to find out.

  61. 61.

    Ruckus

    May 22, 2020 at 4:22 pm

    @kindness:

    They really are whinny little brats, the bodies have grown up, the person using the body hasn’t.

    I wrote here yesterday that conservatives only look backwards, wanting every thing to be like they remember it, rather than like liberals who look forward and wonder how can we make today better. A big problem is that the conservative picture has bigotry as a major color and what they remember never really existed nor was it as good for them or anyone else. The liberal problem is defining their picture and showing people how it can be better for all.

  62. 62.

    Searcher

    May 22, 2020 at 4:26 pm

    The reservations wouldn’t happen to be interested in statehood, would they?  Two senators in exchange for not technically being a quasi sovereign nation anymore?

  63. 63.

    Princess Leia

    May 22, 2020 at 4:27 pm

    Pentecost is  May 31, not this weekend.

  64. 64.

    Ruckus

    May 22, 2020 at 4:34 pm

    @The Moar You Know:

    My mom wasn’t a psycho narcissist but she sure had some narcissistic tendencies. I learned at a young age to stay out of the limelight and never tell her what she didn’t want to hear. My sisters didn’t get the message and it marked them for most of their lives, with one sister ending up being an awful lot like mom.

    An interesting sidelight and that is I believe that a lot of churches or church like organizations actually create/encourage narcissistic behavior, like scientology for example.

  65. 65.

    Ruckus

    May 22, 2020 at 4:36 pm

    @The Moar You Know:

    Also, isn’t always after 5pm someplace?

  66. 66.

    Jeffro

    May 22, 2020 at 4:39 pm

    @Mai naem mobile: OMG I cannot even imagine a dunce like DeSantis thinking he should run for president.

    We’d better push to raise the requirements for POTUS, and quick!

  67. 67.

    Jeffro

    May 22, 2020 at 4:41 pm

    @The Moar You Know: I don’t think he will.  He’ll be living high on the hog on the gazillions he and his grifter gang stole from taxpayers the past four years.  He can tweet and golf his brains out all day.  Being POTUS is too much work for him, so I doubt he’ll actually run.  He would just enjoy being the ‘kingmaker’ and making all these other scumbags kiss his ring.

    Here’s hoping he strokes out well before then, of course.

  68. 68.

    Jeffro

    May 22, 2020 at 4:43 pm

    @Juju: ugh good point, him and Flake too.  Fakers.

  69. 69.

    jonas

    May 22, 2020 at 5:08 pm

    @Elie: A couple dozen people were infected a few weeks ago at a church in Arkansas that had continued holding services. And so it goes.

    But what’s a few dozen illnesses and possibly a couple of deaths in your congregation when there are libs to be pwned?

  70. 70.

    Kattails

    May 22, 2020 at 5:23 pm

    @Elie: My two congresspersons held one of their regular phone town halls about the COVID situation a couple of days ago; people could phone in with questions. One woman came on and was wringing her hands because “when can we go back to church, we need to see each other smile and hug each other”. I was swearing out loud, luckily my Rep. has more tact.

    How can these people not know that the last couple of churches that tried this ended up closing again? What I don’t get–they trust God to keep their physical bodies all safe even though right next to each other. They don’t trust God to keep their spiritual bodies together if they have to be alone for a bit. Matthew 6:6 “But when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father, which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.” Fairly clear, and I’m not anywhere near a Bible reader.

  71. 71.

    Boris Rasputin (the evil twin)

    May 22, 2020 at 5:28 pm

    @The Moar You Know: Sometimes, it’s hard to recall if the bottle of vodka in front of you is the last one of the night, or the first one of the day.

    Carry on, Wayward One.

  72. 72.

    Elizabelle

    May 22, 2020 at 5:31 pm

    Cue the whining from Trump about  Virginia’s Second Amendment rights — another Democratic governor soon to be under fire from the MOFO in chief.

    Richmond Times Dispatch.

    [Virginia] Gov. Ralph Northam [a retired Army physician] is weighing the details of a statewide order requiring people to wear face masks to contain the spread of COVID-19, with an announcement planned for Tuesday.

    “Face coverings are an important part of the next steps. We’ll have more on that next week,” Northam said Friday, adding that his “homework” for Virginians is to procure face coverings for themselves and their families over the weekend.

    The details of the policy remain unresolved, but Northam said he was looking at a requirement “especially for individuals going into businesses.”

    “We’re trying to work through some of the details,” Northam added. “It’s an equity issue. We want to make sure everyone has access to a mask, and we also want to talk about how we enforce that.”

    Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney, who previously advocated for a delay of the city’s reopening, asked Northam this week to issue a face mask order for the city in a bid to contain the virus.

    “I applaud the mayor for wanting to do what’s safe in our city of Richmond. We also know facial protection is one of the ways we stop the spread of this virus,” Northam said.

    Northam said the new mask policy would apply to all of Virginia, not just Richmond.  Lot of Republican congressweasels and grifters live in NoVA.  Just saying.

  73. 73.

    Boris Rasputin (the evil twin)

    May 22, 2020 at 5:34 pm

    @eemom: In other words, remove the “murder” part of the whole “murder-suicide” thing? I like it, but that’s a tall order.

  74. 74.

    trollhattan

    May 22, 2020 at 5:36 pm

    @Elie:

    The Butte County CA minister who exposed more than a hundred by holding a Mother’s Day service for a flock that included an infected flock member (a.k.a. sheep) compared himself to Jesus in defending his freedom-seeking freedom event. Wish the reporter would have asked why Jesus decided to heal one leper rather than share leprosy with a hundred other followers.

  75. 75.

    Elizabelle

    May 22, 2020 at 5:45 pm

    The LA Times had a really good explainer on Trump and the DOJ picking a fight with California over churches reopening.

    Inside the Trump fight with California over opening churches amid coronavirus

    …. The Trump and Barr’s Justice Department warned in a letter Tuesday that the measures California Gov. Gavin Newsom enacted to slow the spread of the coronavirus and his plans to unwind them might discriminate against religious groups and violate their constitutional rights.

    …. Eric S. Dreiband, an assistant attorney general and the head of the Justice Department’s civil rights division, said Newsom had shown “unequal treatment of faith communities” in restricting their ability to gather and ultimately reopen.

    “Simply put, there is no pandemic exception to the U.S. Constitution and its Bill of Rights,” Dreiband wrote.

    We have a Gish in the mix! She did not get far with her galloping.

    Wendy Gish, a parishioner at the Shield of Faith Family Church in Fontana, asked a judge in Los Angeles to strike down the prohibition. “My sincerely held religious belief is that God commands me, and other believers, to regularly come together to worship him,” Gish said in a declaration.

    U.S. District Judge Jesus G. Bernal ruled against her. [Jesus had a few choice words for the publicly pious too, but that’s for another time.]

    “An in-person religious gathering is not analogous to picking up groceries, food or medicine, where people enter a building quickly, do not engage directly with others except at points of sale, and leave once the task is complete,” he wrote. “Instead, it is more analogous to attending school or a concert — activities where people sit together in an enclosed space to share a communal experience.”

    …. In Sacramento, a federal judge denied a similar request from Cross Contamination Culture Christian Center, a church in Lodi.

    “Even in times of health, government officials must often strike the delicate balance between ensuring public safety and preserving the Constitution’s fundamental guarantees,” U.S. District Judge John A. Mendez wrote. “But during public health crises, new considerations come to bear, and government officials must ask whether even fundamental rights must give way to a deeper need to control the spread of infectious disease and protect the lives of society’s most vulnerable.”

    Thank God for our federal judges. It hurts to see them so encumbered with the wingnuts set loose among their ranks.

  76. 76.

    Elizabelle

    May 22, 2020 at 5:53 pm

    @Kattails:   Thank you for knowing that Bible verse.

    when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret

    Matthew 6:6, hmmm?

    The idea always stuck with me.  One can always pray in private.  You’re actually more likely to be sincere if you’re not using religion for self-aggrandizement, and to virtue signal, as do our Vectors for Christ of today.  It was never outlawing prayer in schools, but was about not forcing performative prayer upon individuals (of tender age, even).

    Personally, if you’re worshipping a god who cannot find you unless your ass is planted on a church pew, in the midst of other worshipers’ asses parked in pews, you need to find a better god.

    I hope these federal judges stand their ground on this one.

  77. 77.

    J R in WV

    May 22, 2020 at 6:02 pm

    @Princess:

    Also want to say, that the people running the checkpoints report to a guy named Bald Eagle — perfect ~!!~ Speaking as a bald guy, I really like it, even tho I understand he probably isn’t bald like I am. Eagles aren’t bald either, it’s just a name.

    The Wonkette story is pretty good, witty, interesting. Those folks do the sarcasm so well ~!!~

  78. 78.

    Elie

    May 22, 2020 at 6:06 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Its incredible egomania — which I would not give a care about except these people contaminate others — These ministers should be sued by anyone who gets sick from one of his congregants.  Again, he/she invites their congregants to attend and put themselves and others at risk.  Maybe he believes only God can judge, but here on earth its man’s laws and I would sue his ass off and take every dime he has.

  79. 79.

    J R in WV

    May 22, 2020 at 6:20 pm

    I am too polite to quote Matthew 6:6 to religious church-going people, so far. But with a contagious pandemic going around killing people at random, I’m rethinking that policy.

    There are little churches all over WV. There’s a pretty nice new one down the hollow from us, and a smaller one all the way up the hollow from us. I don’t know if they’re holding services now, but I guarantee they won’t be hassled by the cops, they’re too small and rural for anyone to call the cops on them.

    I don’t care if they get together and infect one another, in fact, for the most part I’m in favor of infection of TCNJ assholes. I used to be a caring and sensitive person, now I’m fuck those assholes, I hope they all die of the CoronaVirus sooner the better!!!

  80. 80.

    scav

    May 22, 2020 at 6:27 pm

    hmmmmmm.  Might just look deeply into their eyes and agree that, Yes, for people like them Church IS an essential service.  Somebody’s got to bury them.

  81. 81.

    burnspbesq

    May 22, 2020 at 6:49 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    What is he distracting from NOW??

    if I were an Inspector General, I’d be shitting bricks right about now.

  82. 82.

    burnspbesq

    May 22, 2020 at 6:57 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Fuckin’ Barr knows less about the Exercise Clause than the average 1L.

  83. 83.

    Elie

    May 22, 2020 at 8:01 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Its incredible egomania — which I would not give a care about except these people contaminate others — These ministers should be sued by anyone who gets sick from one of his congregants.  Again, he/she invites their congregants to attend and put themselves and others at risk.  Maybe he believes only God can judge, but here on earth its man’s laws and I would sue his ass off and take every dime he has.

  84. 84.

    Elizabelle

    May 22, 2020 at 9:06 pm

    @burnspbesq:  So true.  I hope that State’s IG is not actually fired.  That Congress can do something about that, given the 30 day notice requirement.

    All of this stuff that should be major news.

    These days a Saturday Night Massacre is … just another Saturday.

  85. 85.

    Another Scott

    May 22, 2020 at 9:15 pm

    Thanks for the post, MM.  It’s good to be reminded that lots of local people in “flyover country” are trying to do what’s right.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  86. 86.

    Another Scott

    May 22, 2020 at 9:23 pm

    @Mary G: +1.  Excellent.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  87. 87.

    Another Scott

    May 22, 2020 at 9:48 pm

    @J R in WV: “Bald” means “white headed” and comes from the old English “balde”.  ;-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  88. 88.

    HeartlandLiberal

    May 23, 2020 at 6:34 am

    You had me at “Dollar Store Sarah Palin.”
    I just finished the final season of the NetFlix series “Longmire.” Much of the series is rooted in the conditions on the Crow Res and the the tensions between the Indians and the White populace. This story should remind everyone of how none of that fiction was over the top.

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