"They were dancing in the streets. They were saying 'Hallelujah, we're free!' And they made a decision, at that time, to never forget that day."
What to know about Juneteenth, the annual holiday commemorating the end of slavery in the U.S. https://t.co/Jl5P7C28s3 pic.twitter.com/3VyPhtVwGd
— ABC News (@ABC) June 19, 2020
Reclaiming and properly honoring Juneteenth as a national holiday to celebrate the freedom of all Black Americans in the United States is a win for all of America.
— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) June 19, 2020
“Yes, I want the world to recognize our suffering. But I do not want pity from a single soul. Sin and shame are found in neither my body nor my identity. Blackness is an immense and defiant joy.”
Read @imaniperry, Princeton prof & author of BREATHEhttps://t.co/3UTSCesbeO
— Ed Yong (@edyong209) June 15, 2020
On the eve of Juneteenth, a 112-year-old Confederate monument that had become a flashpoint for protests in recent weeks was removed from a town square in Decatur, Georgia, an Atlanta suburb. https://t.co/eYHSc8kFMz
— The Associated Press (@AP) June 19, 2020
#Juneteenth is recognized in 47 states and the District of Columbia.
It is not yet a federal holiday, but more workers than perhaps ever will have the day off. That includes workers at Nike, the NFL, Twitter and New York state government. https://t.co/xL7oTAr6To
— The Associated Press (@AP) June 18, 2020
Aretha Franklin's vocals soar on a never-before-heard solo version of “Never Gonna Break My Faith,” which has been released on #Juneteenth. The song originally created for the film "Bobby" won Franklin her 18th and final Grammy Award in 2008.https://t.co/vgbnIdoyOD pic.twitter.com/ZLEUhzYljy
— AP Entertainment (@APEntertainment) June 19, 2020
Juneteenth: 25 books experts recommend to learn about slavery https://t.co/vmd7LRElpQ
— Bakari Sellers (@Bakari_Sellers) June 19, 2020
I really think that if one has the time, one should prioritize reading history over what are essentially self-help books about how not to do racism.
— shrill kingdom come (@theshrillest) June 18, 2020
Last week, I had an amazing two-hour talk with one of the most dedicated cinephiles I've ever met, a knowledgable, passionate man who's curated a 1,700-title Letterboxd list of movies about Black lives. Here's his essentials list for us, one per genre: https://t.co/AA5S0YQJZ2
— Tasha Robinson (@TashaRobinson) June 18, 2020
Every time this man says “nobody had ever heard” of something, it simply means that he hadn’t. It’s always a confession of his own ignorance. https://t.co/mre3jLy2ng
— Charles M. Blow (@CharlesMBlow) June 18, 2020
Perspective: White people learn about Juneteenth, celebrated by millions of black Americans every year https://t.co/9ZVWCKgcBe
— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) June 19, 2020
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone ???
debbie
NPR played a bit of this earlier this morning. ❤️
Joe Falco
Hey, Athens, GA! Decatur just showed you up! It would really be swell if you would remove your Confederate obelisk!
Geminid
@rikyrah: Good morning. Happy Juneteenth!
OzarkHillbilly
To all, a Happy Juneteenth.
Joe Falco
So if Juneteenth is on a Friday this year, does that make today Black Friday as well? ?
debbie
@Joe Falco:
A lawsuit was filed here to stop the takedown of the Christopher Columbus statue in front of City Hall. I think it needs to go, but I’m worried about this turning into a distraction.
WereBear
Good morning and Happy Juneteenth!
WereBear
TImely book, Dixie’s Daughters, has been reissued. It’s about the United Daughters of the Confederacy being responsible for sooooo many of the monuments coming down right now.
OzarkHillbilly
Joe Falco
@debbie: I don’t want this pivotal moment in time to be wasted on not fully addressing systemic racial inequalities as well, but I believe we as a society can and should multi-task.
OzarkHillbilly
@debbie: My son told me yesterday that the Christopher Columbus statue was removed from Tower Grove Park in STL. No muss, no fuss, just done.
Baud
They didn’t tell me that racial healing would require reading.
@rikyrah:
Good morning.
Bruuuuce
NYC’s City Council is trying to get a statue of Thomas Jefferson removed from City Hall
debbie
@OzarkHillbilly:
Good to know there’s common sense somewhere. Here, Italian-Americans are claiming people are lying about Christopher Columbus’s history. SMH ??♀️
Baud
@Bruuuuce:
I was wondering about Jefferson. He strikes me as someone who’s on the bubble in the statue debate.
Baud
@Joe Falco:
True, but practically speaking, statues will get clicks and serious reform debates will not.
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:
You saw where the video cut off. I can only assume it ends tragically.
Bruuuuce
@Baud: For a long time now, Jefferson has been saved from vilification by the fact that he did some truly great things. But his hypocrisy regarding slavery is going to get amplified now to the point where it can’t be ignored, and probably justly so.
debbie
@Baud:
It will be interesting how that turns out. It wasn’t so long ago that TX conservatives wanted to remove references to Jefferson from schoolbooks because he espoused separation of church and state.
ETA: Google says this was in 2010, so it was a bit ago.
WereBear
@Baud:
Yes, my first reaction was “they likely have a case…”
Martin
Every year I wish my coworkers a happy Juneteenth. Most of them had forgotten (including my black coworkers). It sure would be nice if nobody forgot.
OzarkHillbilly
@debbie: I was a little surprised at the lack of reaction from The Hill (long time STL Italian neighborhood) which is on just the other side of KIngshighway. I used to know a number of folks there and they took their Italian ancestry very serious.
@Baud: Squirrels are not to be messed with. I watched it 3 or 4 times before I could see well enough to post the link.
Martin
@Baud: I don’t think so. I don’t mind having statues of people with complicated pasts, so long as everyone is honest about the complications.
My problem with the confederate statues and with Columbus is that there’s an unlimited amount of denial regarding what they did which is objectionable. I don’t think that’s the case with Jefferson – or at least is much less the case.
I mean, New Yorkers have had a statue of Stalin for what, 20 years. Nobody celebrates Stalin. Nobody is in denial about what a terrible person he was. It’s just a piece of art.
Baud
@Bruuuuce:
@WereBear:
Hypocrisy about slavery at the founding of the country is a different class in my mind than treason in defense of slavery, especially when a lot of statues to the traitors were installed for the specific purpose of institutionalizing Jim Crow.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: At least Jefferson did some praise worthy things where as all Lee did was kill hundreds of thousands of Americans in order to perpetuate slavery.
phdesmond
happy Juneteenth, all.
WereBear
@Baud: I agree. A fine distinction is about WHO put up the statue, and WHEN, I think. Daughters of the Confederacy is different motivations and messages than an impulse towards democracy and the separation of church and state.
Bruuuuce
@Baud: I agree with you. But, not being darker than tan-pink myself, it’s not my experience nor my opinion that is important at this time. There’s likely to be some amount (greater or lesser) of overreaction with this much pent-up emotion being released, and if there’s some overreach, I think we as a society (and I personally, certainly) can deal with it.
Baud
@Bruuuuce:
Sure. It’s a legit issue to raise. But, based on my current knowledge and level of awareness, I also wouldn’t be offended if the answer is “Jefferson stays” after thoughtful and respctful discussion by everyone involved. Jefferson doesn’t seem like the hill to die on IM current HO.
Chyron HR
But when do white people get to celebrate MAYOteenth??
Baud
@Chyron HR:
If it means an official day off work, I’m up for that.
low-tech cyclist
@Baud:
Or you could watch some of those movies on Adam Davie’s list. There are several that I’m hoping to find the time to watch.
OzarkHillbilly
@Chyron HR: Everyday?
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:
Except MLK day when white people have to watch corporate ads that repeat the same clip from “I have a dreams” over and over again.
Betty Cracker
Trump said so many batshit things in the WSJ interview this week that I completely missed this:
Trump says some Americans wear coronavirus masks ‘to signal disapproval of him’
Sweet tap-dancing dingoes, that’s breathtakingly stupid and irresponsible. He might as well hand out infected petri dishes and instruct his cult followers to lick them.
Baud
@Betty Cracker: It would save us a lot of time if he did that.
And to be fair to Trump, everything I do in my daily life is a sign of disapproval of Trump.
Joe Falco
@Chyron HR: We already have Cinco de Mayo, the tradition of white Americans celebrating a holiday for Mexican independence by making it an elevated Taco Tuesday. Although white people could always make Juneteenth an excuse to give Black owned businesses and charities money (that isn’t to say it should only happen one day out of the year).
Geeno
@debbie: It’s likely Columbus wasn’t even Italian. They have bunches of letters between him and his brother, all written in Spanish – not Italian.
WereBear
@Betty Cracker:
Wait for it…
Ken
@Baud: @low-tech cyclist: From NotMax in the late-night thread, another alternative to reading:
Notably, HBO is making [Watchmen] free beginning on June 19th, otherwise known as Juneteenth, a day that many people and some companies celebrate and honor as the day slavery ended in the US. Watchmen will be free from June 19th through June 21st on HBO.com. Source
Ken
I’m trying to figure out if Maggie Haberman tweeted that Trump quote with malice, or at least realization that it made him look like an ignoramus.
mad citizen
@Betty Cracker: For the reason of seeing if he has public stuff where signs of dementia might present (yes I’m on that train now), I’ve been looking at his schedule this week. Seems like he’s taking today off pretty much. Looking forward to Tulsa to see what mobility, arm spasms and language difficulties appear.
12:30 PM
Official Schedule
The President receives his intelligence briefing
Oval Office
Closed Press
2:30 PM
Official Schedule
The Vice President meets with the Secretary of the Air Force and the Chief of Space Operations
Closed Press
4:00 PM
Official Schedule
The Vice President leads a Coronavirus Task Force Meeting
Ken
The other 364 days a year, like always.
Raven
Ken
@mad citizen:
12:33 PM
The intelligence heads leave the Oval Office, muttering under their breath again.
12:34 PM
Tweeting resumes
Geeno
@Raven: Um.. yeah, these weren’t “American veterans”, they were enemy soldiers.
mali muso
Happy Juneteenth! Here in Virginia, it is now an official holiday as of this week, and my workplace immediately followed the governor’s announcement by giving us the day off. My biracial 3 year old is rocking her afro today and wearing a shirt that says “freedom rocks”.
Raven
@Geeno: so you think I wrote that?
Ken
Are the Sons of the Confederacy aware that the Confederacy was not the USA, was created in an act of treason, and was soundly defeated by actual patriots at a horrendous cost in U.S. lives?
Betty Cracker
@WereBear: I was at fancy-ish restaurant in Tampa a while back (long before the pandemic), and while I was waiting to be seated, I noticed one of the banquet rooms was occupied by the Daughters of the Confederacy. It was 100% elderly women.
Raven
@Ken: Falco wrote that Athens should take it down, I posted an article from the paper.
WereBear
@Betty Cracker: Let’s hope some problems do get solved by themselves. (Not wishing anyone ill; unless they wish others so.)
Immanentize
I love the idea of a national Juneteenth holiday. It is a happy (celebration of liberation) and sad (two plus years too late) occasion. Good for reflection and joy.
I also think next year we should celebrate “Janty” — the day we ought to be liberated from Trump.
Joe Falco
@Raven: Much appreciated for the info!
Geeno
@Raven: No, I think these plaintiffs clearly haven’t thought their arguments through.
WaterGirl
@OzarkHillbilly: That is a most excellent answer!
I supposed we could have a White Privilege Day, but that would be every day, week, month and year.
NotMax
Well, that settles that.
:)
Ken
I’ll give him a gentleman’s D+ for that. He does at least recognize that the need for masks reflects very badly on him. Shows no understanding of why, of course, and gets the motivation completely wrong.
OzarkHillbilly
The Trump Administration Paid Millions for Test Tubes and All They Got Were These Stupid Mini Soda Bottles
I’ve thought of an alternative use, but torture is against international law.
WaterGirl
@Baud: That’s the only thing Martin Luther King ever said, you know. He had nothing to do with unions or the sanitation workers strike, for instance. //
MLK has been almost completely whitewashed to make it more palatable to the powers that be. I know I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know. I just felt compelled to say it.
WaterGirl
@Betty Cracker:
Along with everything else that’s wrong with that statement, his off-the-charts arrogance and vanity are on full display.
hueyplong
@mad citizen: I’ve been on the dementia train for a while and for that reason I’ve really been looking forward to Tulsa. The pharmaceutical prep required to avoid a major incident will keep him bunkered for days aferward.
His neurological disease is, like COVID, immune to bullshit and gaslighting. It will relentlessly take him apart, the only question being the timing.
Also very relieved that he moved the Cheer For Me Or I’ll Die from Juneteenth to Saturday so as to keep down the number of protesters. That way it’s just President Depends and his lemmings huffing the spittle-laden air.
Bought two bags of popcorn this AM just to read the running accounts of it here. [Wouldn’t watch him in real time on a bet.]
OzarkHillbilly
@WaterGirl: I remember a coworker complaining about Black History Month, “When do we get a white history month?”
“We get 11 white history months, or haven’t you noticed?”
Immanentize
@NotMax: Ha! I was waiting on pins and needles wondering about that! Next thing you know, we will learn Bert and Ernie are secretly married?
WaterGirl
@OzarkHillbilly: I hope you really did say that, and I bet you did!
Immanentize
@WaterGirl: Here is something that MLK said that it is less than that “arc of justice” comfort:
OzarkHillbilly
@WaterGirl: Yeah. I wasn’t the most popular guy on a lot of job sites.
Brachiator
@Betty Cracker:
Stupid? I’m not sure. Trump knows how to stir up his base, and he is intent on making sure that nothing interferes with his desire to get the country up and running again.
So, this seems to me to be incredibly petty and cynical.
I could understand a president, trying to re-open the economy and also continuing to try to deal with the pandemic. But Trump is going to continue to let people die. And his base doesn’t care. Hell, some of the people who will die are part of his base. They will die to satisfy Trump’s infantile ego needs.
And the GOP and conservative leaders continue to be complicit in this vile, tawdry episode.
And to some in the media, this is the new normal.
This is what makes me shake my head and ask if this is a bad dream. We have a sitting president who is deliberately letting people die from a terrible disease, and members of his own party aiding and abetting him. And more upset that the Supreme Court slowed Trump’s attempt to throw young people out of the country to prove he is tough on immigration.
OzarkHillbilly
Malala Yousafzai full of ‘joy and gratitude’ after graduating from Oxford.
LivingInExile
A question for the historians among us. It has always been my impression that most of the confederate soldiers that fought were poorer whites that didn’t even own any slaves. True or false?
NotMax
Repeating from last night.
FYI.
PsiFighter37
On an article around DACA, the FTFNYT referred to Cory Gardner as a moderate Republican. In what fucking universe is that asshat, who has voted 100% of the time for Trump, a moderate? Jesus Tapdancing Christ.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Betty Cracker:
Cripes. Way to insure his Tulsa rally will be a superspreader event. Also way to insure that the virus will never die and the reality based among us will have to stay locked down forever.
cliosfanboy
@Joe Falco: Mexican Independence Day is in September. FYI.
OzarkHillbilly
@LivingInExile: Twenty Negro Law
Geminid
@LivingInExile: A common expression was “rich man’s war, poor man’s fight.”
SiubhanDuinne
@OzarkHillbilly:
That’s such a lovely thing to read! Thank you!
(Although with all the talk of masks, I’ll admit I was taken aback for a second at mention of Malala’s degree in PPE.)
CliosFanBoy
@LivingInExile: That;’s not really a True or False question. Technically true but with a tone of caveats.
1. True because a majority of white families did not own slaves, although the number that did was just under half in SC and MS.
2. Economically middling families often depended on enslaved labor hired from their wealthier neighbors, especially when it was time for harvest.
3. Even the poorest white was vested in the slave system. The economy in which they participated was dependent upon it. They hoped to rise up enough in society to own slaves, and, most critically, being white meant you were de facto NOT on the bottom rung of society. Preserving the slave system was necessary to keep you from sliding to the very bottom of society.
People WILL fight even when, to an outsider, there is no obvious benefit. How many Germans fought for the NAZI regime even if they had nothing personal against the Jews?
OzarkHillbilly
@Geminid: As I recall, the saying originated in the Civil War, but I’ll be damned if I can think of a war where it didn’t apply.
OzarkHillbilly
A beautiful piece of writing in this weeks New Yorker by Elizabeth Alexander:
Woodrow/asim
Barely material to the point of the War, much less post-War issues. Seriously.
Separate out supporting Slavery — and supporting White Supremacy. Lincoln and those soldiers were more alike than we’d like to believe, around the latter. It’s why, as documented in Searching for Black Confederates, the Confederacy resisted mightily integrating Black slaves — or even conscripting their few Black Southern freemen — as soldiers.
Now, thru that lens, you can start to grasp what the hell was going on with those soliders. Because the trick is that we elide the fact that there was a massive class divide in the American South. Many of the rich folx loved the idea of War, but the poorer folx were…more divided, and certainly many didn’t want to go fight any war, even if they didn’t care for Black folx.
That wasn’t just a Southern thing. There were a number of riots around conscription in the North, as well — the NYC riot likely most famous.
So why did the poorer Southerns fight? That’s way beyond the scope of any mere comment. So, your recommended reading is Masterless Men: Poor Whites and Slavery in the Antebellum South. Although I have…issues…with the author’s online presence, her work is truly ground-breaking and consumable about this era and the exact people you’re speaking of. For an explicitly political interview with her on this topic, see here.
I know I answered what I thought was the underlying question; if I’m off I’ll try to assist. Thanks for reading!
jeffreyw
Dorothy A. Winsor
From the idiot in the White House. What does this even mean?
OzarkHillbilly
@Dorothy A. Winsor: That a feast of quarter pounders and fries will be laid out for them?
JPL
@Brachiator: He has a big base, in fact most people are surprised how big his base is. He can afford to lose a few.
Yes he did brag about his base and threatened the GOP not to abandon him. (politico)
Dorothy A. Winsor
Please forgive the self-promotion.
Amazon now has THE WYSMAN paperback in stock to arrive some time next week. I don’t have a copy yet, so I’m excited! Also, until 6/27, you can get ebook of WIND READER (1st bk in series) for .99.
Moving on now.
Joe Falco
@cliosfanboy: Well, consider myself enlightened. Thanks for the correction!
Jinchi
Confederate statues are particularly offensive, because they were built explicitly in celebration of the Confederacy and with it the right to enslave ‘inferior’ people. The “Lost Cause” is defined as a righteous cause: The south was overwhelmed, but their spirit was not defeated.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
So racists cracker heads murder blacks on the Juneteeth like that massacure Tusla, because that’s what lowlives do. Even more reasons to despise racists.
Dorothy A. Winsor
From CNN Politics
Ya think?
NotMax
@LivingInExile
The Hergesheimer map of distribution may be of interest.
mad citizen
@hueyplong: Good to see your response, I’m new to being wholly convinced this is happening. Anyhoo, I might take a look at the rally if I can stand it; or more likely look at tweets from Daniel Dale or others who are livetweeting it.
I wondered how he played golf Memorial Day (I watched him lean over, place a tee and take a really bad old man swing, but he did hit the ball). Then when I googled it said dementia patients can play and enjoy golf because it’s just muscle memory, etc. But I think it will be a tell if he stops golfing (which for him is riding in a cart and stepping out 100 times to hit the ball).
Another Scott
@Baud: +1
No monuments to traitors.
Happy Juneteenth, everyone.
Cheers,
Scott.
Jinchi
I get that he doesn’t like protesters and anarchists, but agitators, looters and lowlifes? Why is he picking on his own people?
LivingInExile
Thanks to all for the replies. Woodrow/asim – I think I see what you are saying. Didn’t own slaves. Didn’t want to fight, but still supported white supremacy. Thanks for the links.
Jinchi
I expect security at his rally will be on the lookout for these troublemakers. The Trump campaign will hand out masks and then promptly eject anyone who tries to put one on.
Kay
The Trump Administration should try gassing protesters again. Biden will carry 40 states.
The low quality hires still don’t understand we’re allowed to protest against them, even given what a disaster it was the last time they attacked Americans.
NotMax
@jinchi
Or hold a ‘spontaneous’ mask burning?
Kay
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Bill Barr is threatening Americans again.
They really want to try this again? The protesters absolutely trounced them last time.
JPL
@Woodrow/asim: In GA the poor whites were threatened by the Governor of losing everything if blacks were free. Boortz used to say secession wasn’t because of slavery, even though it’s stated explicitly when GA seceded. The asshole lived in Atlanta at the time.
debbie
@Chyron HR:
It’s always time for peanut butter and mayonnaise sandwiches! ?
debbie
@Geeno:
Tell Italian-Americans that. It doesn’t matter where he was from, it’s his actions that are the problem.
cmorenc
As to those obelisk-shaped monuments dedicated to “Our Confederate dead” on the courthouse grounds of county seats throughout southern states: the irony is that the vast majority of those dead (white) soldiers were, in their own way, also victims of the slave-owning elites of southern society, though of course not literally enslaved themselves. The enlisted foot-soldiers that comprised the bulk of the Confederate armies were mostly small-time farmers, tradesmen, and merchants, not officers from the relative upper-classes of southern society who primarily owned (and directly benefited from slave labor in the economy of their plantations or other larger enterprises) – drawn (or de facto forced) into confederate military service by the jingoistic Confederate-patriotic slogans and appeals promoted by their “betters” and leaders in Southern society. In short, they were predominately cannon-fodder for the slave-owning classes, with little to no personal stake in slavery. They died essentially for a cause they themselves had no actual stake in, beyond peer-pressure bolstered by forcible pressure to join Confederate army ranks.
NotMax
@Dorothy A. Winsor – @Kay
Expect the White House press office will spew out something along the lines of:
“The statement is not divisive or inflammatory. It is a clear and strong message that foremost the president is always concentrated on the safety of all Americans.”
//
StringOnAStick
A good friend was verbally attacked by a MAGAT while walking her dog south of downtown Denver two days ago, for the sin of wearing a mask. “Liberal snowflake” , “fat ugly bitch”, etc. Lots of gendered insults. Now that the demented idiot in chief has said that wearing a mask is an insult to him, this shit is going to get even worse.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@NotMax:
It will be interesting to see if, in his rant on stage, Trump can refrain from urging violence against protestors.
JPL
@StringOnAStick: A radio DJ was verbally attacked while out in a trendy area of Roswell, GA wearing a mask. Businesses are already suffering without someone using a platform to bad mouth the entire area.
Another Scott
@cmorenc: The history of Alexandria, VA is instructive to me on this topic.:
Less than 1000 stupid racist yahoos brought years of death and destruction on around 13,000 of their neighbors.
Grr…
Cheers,
Scott.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@StringOnAStick: Geez. Not only do they go maskless, they have to harass the rest of us. I’ve not been hassled yet. It’s possible that being a little old lady protects me some.
Dorothy A. Winsor
I’m getting a hair cut in 15 minutes. Who knew I could get this excited about a hair cut?
Origuy
The Columbus statue in front of Coit Tower in San Francisco was removed this week. It was erected in 1957, more than three decades after the tower itself was erected. It was a gift of the Italian-American community; I don’t know why they put it there, because Lizzie Coit wasn’t Italian. What I didn’t know before I looked it up was who the sculptor was:
JPL
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Make sure you update us about the measures taken to keep you safe. I dreamed my hair got cut, and woke up disappointed.
bemused
@StringOnAStick:
They think anyone wearing a mask is an enemy. Not one maggot going to his rallies will be wearing a mask except for many of the media there. I would be terrified to be at a trump thing. Can’t imagine how media cope being surrounded by insane people. They should get hazard pay for contact with covid spreaders who want to kill them.
TaMara (HFG)
Lovely videos this morning. thanks
jonas
This fuckin’ guy…
germy
debbie
@bemused:
Karma. They will receive what they have doled out. Zero sympathy for any of them.
artem1s
@Baud:
gotta confess, they have been accusing us for so long of upsetting them on purpose, I’ve decided why not plead guilty to the crime and enjoy the fruits of my labor.
germy
Public safety is “controversial”
Oklahomo
@debbie: There was a Sopranos episode where a bunch a Tony’s crew and Native Americans got into a beat-down over Columbus Day celebrations.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: I agree with this. There were many presidents who were slave owners including the most revered founding father, George Washington.
But those who took up arms to defend slavery against the United States should be treated differently and the statues that came up during Jim Crow to intimidate black people and celebrate slavery should come down.
satby
@debbie: Karma is taking it’s sweet fucking time.
WereBear
@Woodrow/asim: Danabbit. Why does this always happen when I manage to get enough credits on Amazon to buy a new book?
But I can’t think of a better subject to study on a day like this one.
debbie
@satby:
No doubt. But it is inexorably inevitable. (I cling to this.)
schrodingers_cat
@Origuy: I saw your comment in the thread yesterday. An Indian historian whose work I respect is Romila Thapar. Her books are lucid and readable.
NotMax
@germy
Fixed for accuracy. //
scav
@germy: AMC Theater? American Morbidity Central Theater! What could possibly be a more Trumpian and Republican combination of entertainments than that?
Geminid
@germy: an example of why statewide mask mandates are essential. The mask mandate works in Virginia, from what I’ve seen. If the customers wants to kick about it, the manager can tell him, we have no choice, the Governor’s making us do this.
NotMax
@Geminid
No shirts
No shoes
No brains
No service
;)
Krope, the Formerly Dope
Looks like they got drawn in on the wrong side of the controversy.
germy
@scav:
Interview with the CEO:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/media/amc-theatres-ceo-interview-reopening/index.html
ET
OK this off topic a bit and maybe not totally kosher but I had to pass this on to the horde
MORE from the Thai EnquirerThai Enquirer to get the full effect.
CliosFanBoy
@Another Scott: FYI, what is now Arlington County contributed most of the NO votes. And Alexandria was very “Lost Causy” for generations afterwards. Until very recently actually.
frosty
@Another Scott: Baltimore was occupied from the Battle of Pratt Street (April 19, 1861) until the end of the war, so perhaps a month longer than Alexandria?
Fun Fact: Ft. McHenry was nicknamed Baltimore’s Bastille because that’s where the southern sympathizers were locked up.
@Another Scott:
different-church-lady
@Chyron HR: The other 364 days a year?
different-church-lady
@Betty Cracker: What, they stopped making FUCK TRUMP t-shirts or something?
NotMax
@scav
“Okay, here’s your super jumbo tub of popcorn. Butter or bleach on that?”
//
Kay
Here’s Melania enthusiastically supporting birtherism. It’s funny- it looked terrible at the time, blatantly racist and mean-spirited, but it actually looks worse now:
Nice legacy the Trump’s have. They look worse with each passing year- more backward and classless. Imagine how much they’ll be loathed even a decade from now, let alone “decades”. Future generations will read about this family and be horrified they were ever in power.
Origuy
@schrodingers_cat: Thanks. I added some of her books to my wish list. My pile of books to read, both physical and electronic, is very high.
artem1s
@OzarkHillbilly:
white washing. 1860’s version of bone spurs. Plantation owners didn’t want to fight the war themselves. They were fine with getting a nice shiny uniform and sitting up on a hill and watching others die for them (contrast Gen W.T. Sherman who had THREE horses shot out from under him at Shiloh). There was effectively no manufacturing base or middle class in the south (thanks to slavery). There were the slave owners and there were the dirt poor farmers (dirt poor meaning they owned their land but little else). Lee didn’t just betray his actual country (US), he also betrayed the Confederacy when he effectively refused to leave Virginia/DC area and take his army to where the war was really being lost in Vicksburg and Atlanta. When they lost Vicksburg they lost the Mississippi supply line and the war. Sherman finished the job by taking Atlanta and railroads out of the supply line and conditional surrender off the table. Lee sat in Fredricksburg with his thumb up his ass because he was a double traitor who only cared about protecting his own property.
Kay
The Biden campaign should get the clip of Melania endorsing and promoting the racist “birther theory” and put it in an ad.
She campaigns for Trump. It’s relevant.
scav
@germy: I still don’t think that buys him into any principled moral stand — sounds like a jellyfish. Furthermore, given the demonstrated ease of the streaming option, I’mp not sure that his “we do the bare legal minimum!” school of cleanliness is going to reassure a portion of his audience (however governed), so it may not be enough from a business perspective either. Didn’t see any mention of controlling crowd size either, so there’s another probably jellyfishing compliance. I understand businesses have it tough what with all the maskless vigilantes out and in their faces, but I don’t have to admire the doormats (especially the large ones — smaller places are in an even harder. spot).
Aleta
1–“Disclosure”: Sam Feder’s documentary, premiering Friday on Netflix, surveys trans representation in film and TV. It’s a history wrought with painful caricatures, cruel punchlines and dubious erasure. But it’s also a joyful, celebratory journey that chronicles the increasing presence of trans actors and filmmakers in Hollywood, and the difference they’re making for a larger trans community. With Laverne Cox (a producer), Lilly Wachowski, MJ Rodriguez and others.
https://www.netflix.com/title/81284247
2–Kenya Barris & Pharrell Williams In Talks With Netflix For Juneteenth Film Musical
3–Good interviews w/ cast of Miss Juneteenth the movie, which was written & directed by Channing Godfrey Peoples.
4–About the movie:
Immanentize
@Another Scott: Just for the record — I am affirmatively pro- New York Zoaves!
WaterGirl
@OzarkHillbilly: Yes, but you’re popular with the right people, and that’s what counts.
Aleta
@Immanentize: It’s not right that they were left out of the toy soldier sets.
NotMax
@artem1s
Distribution and basis of wealth was, of course, quite different but the South considered as a region wasn’t necessarily poor per se.
Also,
Another Scott
@Immanentize: You (really) can’t touch this!
Hehe.
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
WaterGirl
@jonas: Years ago I was out having a Sunday afternoon meal at a nice restaurant, and one of the my friend’s kids who was being potty trained had to go to the bathroom.
One of the parents took him, and as they were walking back to the table afterwards, the boy shouted “I just had a BM!”
That is Donald Trump, every minute of every day! Truly a toddler, and not in a good way.
Immanentize
@Aleta: They should have been the ONLY things in toy soldier sets.
PS I love a fez and a tassle.
NotMax
@Another Scott
Military garb be weird. Daily on the India-Pakistan border.
Immanentize
@NotMax: per capita wealth in that article refers to white capita, no?
Ken
Though as your source notes, a large part of that $3978 was the value of the slaves.
Also, the source doesn’t say whether the denominator includes the slaves (or perhaps 3/5 of the slaves). If it does not, then they aren’t counting 47% of the population, and the South’s actual per-capita income would be very close to the North’s.
NotMax
@Immanentize
Cue Akbar and Jeff.
;)
Calouste
@NotMax: Now we know where John Cleese got the inspiration for the Ministry of Silly Walks.
Immanentize
@NotMax: I heart Akbar and Jeff. Next thing you know, someone will suggest a SpongeBob comparison!
laura
ILWU has begun a west coast strike!
Uncle Cosmo
@frosty: Baltimore was also the site of the first fatalities of the War of Unsuccessful Southern Secession (WUSS), the Pratt Street Riot. (No one was killed at Fort Sumter.) Artillery was sited on Federal Hill, across what’s now the Inner Horror ;^D from downtown, against the possibility of insurrection, pretty much for the duration of the war IIRC.
Immanentize
@Uncle Cosmo: It’s also where the Union military (and therefore Abraham L. Himself) suspended the Great Writ of Habeas Corpus!
Dorothy A. Winsor
@JPL: The stylist wore a mask and a plastic face shield. I was the only customer there. A mask was required for me too. If I hadn’t already been wearing one, they would have given me one and put it on my bill. They made me use hand sanitizer when I walked in.
I thought that was pretty good. The salon is here in my building.
We’re all supposed to wear masks outside our own condo, but the stylist told me that residents have arrived in the salon with no mask and claimed it was optional. That is BS, though they may convinced themselves.
MisterForkbeard
@germy: I’d like to thank Trump and the Republicans for making ‘wear a simple mask for the benefit of yourself and those around you’ a controversial item.
Thanks, fucktards.
Gravenstone
@Baud: Would you rather have reading, or math?
Gravenstone
@Betty Cracker:
Those are the door prizes at tomorrow’s hate rally.
Gravenstone
@Raven:
I think we’ve found the problem with their argument here.
Listen up, you chucklenuts morons – your forefathers of whom you claim to be so fucking proud affirmatively decided that they were NOT American at that moment in history. You don’t get to pretend otherwise.
Gravenstone
@OzarkHillbilly:
Well, since a lot of used soda bottles end up getting recycled into carpeting material, might as well skip the middle man and donate them directly to the recyclers.
Gravenstone
@Dorothy A. Winsor: It’s an overt threat of violence against them. Remember, Trump thinks the mayors in those locales weren’t “tough” enough against protesters.
ballerat
@Raven:
American veterans?? WTF. They were Confederate veterans. Veterans of another country entirely, and traitors to boot. They chose willingly to Not Be Americans.
Get rid of these monuments, and declare these Confederate coddling organizations to be foreign agencies hostile to the security and stability of the US, and make their members register as foreign agents on US soil.
Fuck ‘em.
jeffreyw
@ballerat:
No. Lincoln was adamant about this. They were not another country, they were not to be treated with as if they were. They were citizen in rebellion and traitors, yes, but not citizens of another country.
Uncle Cosmo
@Immanentize: Correct. IIRC the Governor & most of the legislature spent the Rebellion under arrest. (May have been the Mayor &/or City Council. Lots of elected officials anyway.) No way Mr Lincoln was going to allow the slave state surrounding the seat of the Federal government to secede. (Poorly-known fact: Delaware was also a slave state at the time – dogonlynose why – but with a Unionist governor & Unionist-dominated legislature, never seriously considered secession.)
J R in WV
@cmorenc:
I have to disagree with you on this issue. Anyone forced to risk their lives in war at the point of a gun, as in drafted into combat, is in point of fact, enslaved. I was not technicallly enslaved into the Navy back in 1970, I enlisted in order to avoid being enslaved into the combat arms of the Army or Marines.
But everyone who was drafted into the Vietnam war was enslaved. That’s my belief. Forced into the military is enslavement.
Fuck LBJ, and Fuck Tricky Dick Nixon~!!!~
And back in the Civil War against treason, all the draftees were enslaved, even the Confederates who were drafted. And they did have a draft!
opiejeanne
@NotMax: I can see the Boonslick slave-owning plantations in Missouri, a band running East/West on either side of the Missouri River. Also known as Little Dixie. The Confederate sympathizers mortgaged land in that region to support the militias, some of the land undeveloped, some of it not even owned by the person taking the loan. They damn near bankrupted the state, thanks to Governor Fox Jackson, and then he made a run for it.
opiejeanne
@bemused: Maybe the media shouldn’t go to this super spreader rally. Maybe no one should cover it.