NEW – In call with WH, DeSantis, Abbot and Ducey all say that folks in their states are not respecting the relaxed public health guidelines.
"some bars are not following those rules and are crowded just like they were before the pandemic occurred"https://t.co/ifVFxCf9mp
— Sam Stein (@samstein) June 23, 2020
Problem with getting anything done around here is that people remain… people. CBS Sports, “MLB players agree to report for 60-game 2020 season; Opening Day to be set for July 24”:
The Major League Baseball Players Association (MLBPA) informed the league Tuesday that players will comply with the league’s imposed outline for a 2020 season. Players will report for another version of “spring” training on July 1, and the league’s imposed 60-game season will start July 24, CBS Sports HQ’s Jim Bowden reported Tuesday. The two sides are still working to finalize health and safety protocols, per Bowden, and there has not yet been an official announcement from the league.
MLB owners voted unanimously Monday night to have commissioner Rob Manfred impose a season. In a statement, Manfred had requested on Monday night that the players respond by 5 p.m. ET so that the league could proceed with scheduling that imposed season.
The league and players failed to reach a modified agreement for a 2020 season after weeks of negotiations. Those talks stalled when it came to the length of the season and the financial compensation players would receive. The union’s ability to file a grievance against the league, which could result in a substantial cash windfall, also became a matter of importance later in the talks.
The league is expected to wrap up its regular season by the end of September and its postseason — which will feature its usual, 10 teams — by the end of October…
It’s worth noting that 40 MLB players and staff members reportedly testing positive for the novel coronavirus in recent days. MLB has reportedly ordered all spring training sites to be closed and sanitized, and personnel must test negative for COVID-19 before being allowed to return…
Maybe American baseball fans are more conscientious and rule-abiding than Croatian / Serbian tennis buffs? You’d think a sport like tennis would be relatively amenable to social distancing, but… NPR:
Novak Djokovic, the world’s No. 1-ranked men’s tennis player, has tested positive for the coronavirus.
The Serbian tennis star released a statement on his diagnosis, saying that he and his wife have both contracted the virus after he organized a series of exhibition matches in southeastern Europe.
The events, called the Adria Tour, have been widely criticized for not maintaining significant social distancing protocols.
The stands were packed with fans, as The Associated Press noted. Tennis.com reported that players were seen mingling without proper social distancing, playing in basketball and soccer games, and visiting a nightclub.
Djokovic was photographed in close contact with tennis player Grigor Dimitrov, who has also tested positive for the virus…
Djokovic recently held events in Serbia and Croatia. Serbia has seen more than 13,000 confirmed cases and more than 260 deaths due to the coronavirus, while Croatia has seen more than 2,000 confirmed cases and just over 100 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University…
Just over a month till July 24th — I’m sure there will be developments.
Obama-Biden Fundraiser
dr. bloor
Only countries that took rational measures during the spring are allowed sportsball this summer and autumn. I’ll believe MLB is having a season when I see Matt Barnes throw his first gopher ball in a game that counts for anything.
https://www.mlb.com/news/phillies-statement-on-confirmed-covid-19-cases
geg6
Local news reported tonight that two Steelers have tested positive. I think they just started light practices at their facility, not at the stadium, which would make more sense, since it’s at least outside. I think a Penguin has tested positive, too. Their practices just started a week or two ago, too. I don’t know how they are going to do this.
Kropacetic
When you play sportsball games; don’t you have to, like, touch stuff? Shared stuff? Like the sportsball?
Gravenstone
Won’t happen. Between the current outbreaks at spring training facilities (which resulted in league-wide closures) and the fact players will be travelling from all over to their respective home fields, I predict there will be additional outbreaks before 7/24 causing a delay. And if they do stupidly start as scheduled, they will have to delay or cancel the abbreviated season inside of 3 weeks because of more outbreaks.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
I donated blood to the Red Cross last Thursday for the second time in my life and it was super easy! Nothing like when I did it in HS; my blood clotted and they were only able get half a unit back then. Also, the Red Cross is doing COVID-19 antibody testing and I tested negative. I guess that’s a good thing?
Marcopolo
The solution for all these sports leagues is they should just fly down to NZ, quarantine for 14 days, and just play all of this year’s season in Auckland and other Kiwi venues. They could even have kiwi spectators. Or MLB could go to Korea since I’ve heard Korean baseball leagues have restarted. But it is just insanity to try to hold these games in the US.
In other news, it’s primary night. Keeping my fingers crossed for Booker in KY-Sen & Bowman in NY-16. Also, the VA-5 D primary has already been called for a 35-year-old AA doctor named Cam who won going away over both the Emily’s list endorsed candidate & the guy who raised the most money. The prognosticators are now saying it is a potential flip in Nov. A good start to the evening!
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Gravenstone:
What if MLB only played at one field? That could reduce exposure
laura
For Pete’s sake- it is not worth it, lives are at stake- players, fans, staff, concessions workers, facilities maintenance, transportation all that avoidable risk just for some sad half assed truncated season. What team will win the championship ring in the worst season in memory?
I’m not going to stop harping on my preferred choice until someone who can influence the head of ABC. Pull out all the old episodes of Wide World of Sports, dust them off and run an episode 2 or 3 times a week on network during primetime and watch the market share as errrbody tunes in for a shared experience of sports and nostalgia, bad haircuts, bad sports coats and so many, so very many sports. Wide World of Sports – let’s do this thing!
Marcopolo
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Well, testing positive would mean there’s a good chance you’d had Covid-19 without ever noticing, and you might have immunity to it. So, I’d be happier with a positive result but nothing wrong with testing clean.
Steeplejack
Hoisted up from downstairs, as more appropriate here.
rikyrah
rikyrah
Marcopolo
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Logistics would not work with 28 (think that’s the current #) teams playing ~60 games. Can’t play 14 games in one day at one site in a single day—and certainly not for 60 days in a row.
kindness
I miss baseball. Not sure I’m willing to sit in the stands and watch a game though. That would be kinda Russian Rouletteish.
Gravenstone
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Suspect that would actually be worse. No single facility can support 30 teams. Even with just a 60 game schedule, at 15 per day means 900 total games to be played. And then you get to the playoffs…
Hunter Gathers
MLB’s ‘agreement’ was just to save face. They’re not playing.
Neither is the NFL ,although the owners are going to go completely apeshit and try to force the players to play.
HumboldtBlue
Remember, the force driving the push for pro sports to resume is the money and there is a lot of it at stake, billions and billions of dollars.
And there are also contracts that must be honored and in a rapidly changing world seriously affected by a pandemic to navigate we will see a lot of audibles being called, there is no framework to rely upon, no reference point from the past to use as a guide.
Until sensible people are in charge in the White House the entire economy is going to be strangled by the impacts of the virus and the dangers social gatherings entail.
Jeffro
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I did the same last week – it went quickly!
MomSense
@laura:
I would kill to see figure skating back when they still did figures. The tricks weren’t as spectacular, but the lines were soooo much prettier.
Jeffro
@Marcopolo: I just saw that (about VA -5)! How great is that??
Kropacetic
When I jump, for a very short time, am I in synchronous orbit with the Earth?
moops
A baseball season would help everyone feel a little more normal.
Could they play with masks on? If that was televised it might change a lot of perceptions.
FelonyGovt
I miss baseball, but I think this shortened season is ill-advised and is likely to be derailed by positive COVID tests either at the outset or once the season is underway.
And the Designated Hitter rule is still an abomination.
Marcopolo
Apparently I missed two teams :). Show’s how in touch I am w/ sports ball in the US.
Baud
@Kropacetic:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/
chopper
you don’t fucking say? i mean, bars? wow, this is goddamn mindblowing, who could have thought.
Jeffro
@HumboldtBlue: would make for some great D ads: “hey business owners big and small: you ok with how this has been handled? Want an administration that understands we can’t truly open for business unless and until we are doing the right things to keep people safe?”
TS (the original)
my bold.
Kropacetic
@Baud: Beautiful, thank you.
Jeffro
@moops: pick 8 MLB teams at random and let them play like 8 games each, then have a quickie playoffs
or not
rikyrah
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Marcopolo:
@Gravenstone:
Yeah, that wouldn’t work…
@Marcopolo:
True, but then again, I’ve read immunity is possibly short-lived anyway (as in like 3 mos)
Marcopolo
@Jeffro: And In NC-11, Which Meadows vacated to become Trump’s CoS, a guy born in 1995 is creaming the Trump approved/endorsed R candidate. This is starting to look like a wild night.
rikyrah
rikyrah
Brachiator
In the UK, Boris Johnson announced an opening up of many businesses, including pubs, bars, cafes and restaurants. A big deal is also to allow social distance to be reduced to 3 feet (one metre).
Restaurant owners had bitterly complained that a two metre social distance requirement would put them out of business. This was also a big, big deal in France, and particularly Paris, where eateries are a tasty chunk of the tourism industry. This continues to be an issue here in the US as well. Glancing into some places in Southern California that have opened up, I notice a few that ignore or obviously are attempting to fudge social distance requirements.
This may be a tough blow for tennis. I confess that I did not know that Djokovic was Number 1. This will focus attention on the game and the issue.
I am not a big sports fan, but I know people who are worse than a junkie going through withdrawal with respect to wanting desperately to get back to watching sports events. Not attending games. Being able to watch sports events. Baseball and football fans seem to be equally rabid. And not just here. I listened to a British comedian go on a rant about not being able to see his favorite teams.
The wild thing is that some fans focus more on disagreements between players and owners than the issue of the virus and avoiding infection.
This issue cascades into sports betting, travel and leisure, hotels, and all the people employed in the industry, down to parking lot attendants at sports stadiums. But I can’t see that anyone will be hot to restart sports if players continue to test positive.
ETA: I also confess that I would love, love, love to be able to go to the movies again, so this is my equivalent to sports mania. It is not the same watching a movie at home. But I seriously doubt that I will to out to the movies before there is a vaccine.
moops
@Jeffro:
Yeah. Just show games for the television viewers at home. Everyone masked, no stats tracked this season, everything is an exhibition game for the fans and TV ad dollars. Any player or team worker not comfortable in that setting is given a year off with no repercussions. All the owners and stadium industries take a complete financial bath, but that was going to happen anyways and at least you keep the sport alive and have something for all the sport shows to talk about.
Steeplejack
@rikyrah:
But they’re being cleansed with ion power!
Marcopolo
@rikyrah: Earlier today I read some reporting that Senate Ds were seriously considering just filibustering this bill.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Marcopolo:
Speaking of that guy in NC-11, from Ballotpedia:
Bennett was endorsed by Trump. Cawthorn is indirectly insulting Trump
NotMax
FYI. No beating around the bush.
Brachiator
@Marcopolo:
This is semi-crazy, but not that wild an idea.
Baud
Didn’t the protests show that there is less risk if the stadium is outdoors and fans are wearing masks?
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
Watching Poldark – Ross can be such a fucking idiot.
John Revolta
Only play home games! No away games! Duh!
Gin & Tonic
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Good for you! Donating blood is one of those things that’s an absolute good, and makes you feel useful. My local blood center gives you a coffee mug every gallon (8 donations) which is nice as well.
laura
@Steeplejack: thank you for this diversion! Sacramento’s Round Corner made the list, and while it may technically be a dive, it’s pretty gentile compared to the Flame, the Zebra Club, the Fly Trap, Swiss Club, or the skanky and janky Starlight.
When Cousin Tom got married in New Orleans the entire wedding party went to a pretty scary fire trap of a dive bar called the dungeon. It was a tad frosty until I played June and Johnny’s Jackson – after that, we were jake.
Amir Khalid
I don’t follow American big-league sportsball, but I do follow the English counterpart. My team — you know, the one from The Beatles’ hometown — is playing its second post-lockdown match as it hopes to seal its first Premier League-era title. I didn’t think that a league title was worth putting so many lives at risk, and still don’t think so. Especially given that Britain is not managing the pandemic well.
Baud
@Brachiator:
This is America. We’re only interested in wild ideas.
Brachiator
@NotMax:
RE: FYI. No beating around the bush.
Things are getting interesting. Trump is deliberately inserting more incendiary, nationalist and racist memes and language into his Twitter messages, while pushing for regulations that would prevent social media companies from doing anything to block him from doing this.
On the other hand, we are seeing top ranking military officers signal that they will not support Trump if he had fantasies of attempting a government takeover.
Now, I absolutely believe that Trump is a coward, and might be afraid to actually do anything that might result in an outright revolt or civil war.
But I also believe that Trump has a serious xenophobic, nativist, racist bug up his ass that is more dangerous to this country than the CoronaVirus. And if Trump is somehow elected to a second term, who knows what shit he might try to stir.
Marcopolo
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Cawthorne is only 24 (he’ll turn 25, the legal age to become a Rep, before Nov). I’m pretty sure this is a solid red seat and he would definitely be the youngest Congressman in a long time if seated.
I am feeling a little old atm.
Edited: I’m getting my primary info from several feeds so this means his birthdate is not 1995, which someone else had stated earlier.
WaterGirl
@Marcopolo: I am seeing articles that say immunity starts to drop off at 2-3 months. So I don’t think that is going to save us.
Calouste
@Amir Khalid: I think it was Bill Shankly who said “Football is more than just a matter of life and death.”
Sm*t Cl*de
@Kropacetic:
No, you’re at one extreme of an interrupted elliptical 86-minute orbit.
Marcopolo
@WaterGirl: I haven’t seen any reporting on this myself. But it makes you wonder whether a vaccine might have the same limitation. That’s an unhappy thought.
LeftCoastYankee
I don’t know why all these sports want to congregate in the south (where there are cray-cray governors), during the summer.
As a long suffering Mariners fan, I would be all for them playing up in Washington. The Northwest hasn’t seen major league quality baseball in a long time.
HumboldtBlue
@Calouste:
Here ya go:
And here’s the man himself speaking his words.
He’s an excellent interview, very thoughtful, very precise and concise and a true man of the people. His definition of socialism is one I subscribe to, one of community not of politics and economics.
slightly_peeved
@Brachiator:
New Zealand and Australia are closed to international travelers, and I don’t think the citizens of either will be receptive to bending the rules just because the MLB/NFL throw money at them.
If you really need sportsball, the Australian Football League is back on and I think ESPN2 shows it in the US. It’s the most chaotic form of football bar that weird one in Florence where the referees carry swords, but it’s non-stop action.
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
@Marcopolo: 3 month boosters would not be the end of the world.
Another Scott
@Brachiator: Djoker is an amazing tennis player and amazingly fit.
But he’s also an antivaxxer (at least according to the BBC News tonight).
Grr…
Cheers,
Scott.
khead
The SEC still thinks there’s going to be a college football season. Lol.
TS (the original)
@Brachiator:
Might be a problem because NZ won’t let them in.
Mike in NC
Trump and all of his horrific enablers and apologists, which includes about half the media and syndicated newspaper opinion writers.
lamh36
lamh36
thank you Senator Harris!
TS (the original)
@Another Scott:
He also organised and ran the tournament that has given other players & himself COVID-19. Wonder if the spectators signed a “will not sue” form because some of them are probably next in line.
dmsilev
@Marcopolo:
Here’s a good overview
(I’d really recommend Ars Technica’s CV-19 coverage; their writers all have real technical backgrounds and do a pretty good job of translating from scientist-speak into English)
HumboldtBlue
@slightly_peeved:
Yeah, that’s just gladiatorial combat done with fucking banners under the pretense there is a sports match going on.
WaterGirl
@Marcopolo: I have wondered the same thing about the vaccine. Hoping one doesn’t necessarily follow from the other, but I am not the one to know whether that’s true or not.
dexwood
Trump / Covid – 19 2020
raven
It’s so interesting to come here and read the geniuses tell us that it’s about money.
Benw
@Kropacetic: this is a truly excellent question.
I think it is only geo-synchronous if you jump straight up and down. If you jump forward, you’re moving relative to Earth’s rotation.
In short, no NBA player taking off for a vicious one handed jam has achieved geo-synchronous orbit since Shaq, that under the hoop, lane-clogging monster.
Even shorter: fuck Roger Goodell that fucking stooge.
West of the Cascades
I’m sort of excited to see my local pro soccer team play on Saturday morning (9:30 am Pacific) on CBS – sadly, the tournament has already had one of the teams (Orlando Pride) drop out because six players tested positive, and at least one of Portland’s stars (Tobin Heath) has demurred because of virus concerns. I have to imagine the rest of the NWSL is on pins and needles to see if the other teams can make it to the weekend without more infections.
I have to say it is not an encouraging situation when nine women’s soccer teams can’t manage to “bubble” sufficiently — to the NWSL’s credit, holding the tournament in Utah (instead of Florida) made a lot more sense, but it is an ominous precedent that makes me wonder if any of the other leagues that involve even minimal contact (and far larger teams and support personnel) will play this year in North America.
MisterForkbeard
@Marcopolo: There’s reporting that in some people the level of antibodies drops quite a bit after 3-4 months.
It’s not known if that’s widespread, lessens resistance to the virus, or what happens on a longer timeline. But it’s not ‘good’ news.
HumboldtBlue
Barcelona opera house reopens with performance to 2,292 plants
Amir Khalid
@Calouste:
I believe Vince Lombardi said something like it too. They’re both wrong here. (ETA: Or more precisely, what they were saying doesn’t apply to the pandemic situation.) People with jobs connected to these games, and their families too, are at risk from a potentially fatal disease. If someone in England dies of covid-19 they contracted from a relative working in EPL football and Liverpool win the title, this fan could never celebrate that title with a clear conscience.
Kropacetic
I’m determined to understand this before the night is over.
If I jump backwards do I move through time?
I thought he just reached up and placed it in the basket.
HumboldtBlue
Queen Latifah has some thoughts on Gone With The Wind.
dmsilev
@HumboldtBlue: I’m sure that, somehow, they all still cough during the quiet sections of the piece.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
FBI says rope had been in Talladega garage since October; Bubba Wallace not victim of hate crime
debbie
This dog is far better than any old sports story:
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Gin & Tonic:
It did feel really good to do it. The Red Cross was running out of blood, so I figured why not? I plan on becoming a regular donor
Steeplejack
@Amir Khalid:
I have been trying to watch the EPL matches—they used to be my video wallpaper on weekend mornings—but I’m having trouble getting back into it. They don’t feel quite “real,” what with the empty stands and the long hiatus. They feel like exhibition matches.
HumboldtBlue
@dmsilev:
Oh, you know it.
Elsewhere, I’m still trying to figure out from what depths of right-wing white nationalism spewed forth these two paragons of genetic superiority.
@Steeplejack:
I saw your comment on Psycho cat downstairs and I wanted to assure you I am aware of all internet traditions.
Mary G
Thread by another guy who reminds me a bit of Cole:
NotMax
@marcopolo
Included a link to a story in the most recent COVID thread. It’s a very small and very preliminary study, it should be noted.
dmsilev
@Mary G:
Oh my.
HumboldtBlue
I don’t want to live in a future where we can’t have gooey substance squeezed out of a bottle shaped like a black lady and named after a slave
Amir Khalid
@HumboldtBlue:
That young woman seems really broken up about losing her favourite brand of viscous sugary goop.
Eric S.
@LeftCoastYankee: Because the
ConfederacySouth will allow them to have games and possibly allow fans before all is said in done. The owners aren’t going to expose themselves. Well, maybe a few crazy ones.Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
Was preoccupied in February, so I didn’t see this:
Fuck Jackson. This was a betrayal. “Inflated” my ass. Just another slap on the wrist for these fucks. And Stone still hasn’t served a day in prison because of the pandemic. Once again, fuck Jackson
Martin
@Kropacetic: Yes.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
randy khan
It really would be better if the OP were modified to note that they are not going to have fans at the games. There are an awful lot of comments assuming that fans, ticket takers, vendors, etc. will be there. This is comparable to what is going on in European soccer leagues.
CaseyL
If major sportsball seasons go forward, even after players are testing positive after one freaking practice, then I’m sorry but we really are too stupid to live.
I admit I might feel otherwise if I was a bone-deep sports fan.
I also wonder if one long term effect of the virus will be an end to the era of large public events – of any kind. Sports, concerts, theatre, movies… anything that has large groups of people in close proximity for any length of time.
It might not be a bad thing, after all the cultural and economic dust has settled. . Sometimes I think humanity made a mistake when it traded participatory art and sports for the spectator variety. Living too much vicariously. Maybe we’ll go back to doing our own play, rather than shelling out money to watch a bunch of professionals do it.
Eric S.
@Steeplejack: This might be one of the reasons they overlay the video with fan noise. That, and without it you can hear the players swearing profusely.
mrmoshpotato
@Kropacetic: You might be on to something here. Tell us more.
Gin & Tonic
@Amir Khalid: “Pancake syrup that we love”? What’s this “we” jazz? Here in New England, if it’s not pure maple syrup, you can get right out of town.
Steeplejack
@HumboldtBlue:
Eh? [checks downstairs] I think you mean Another Scott.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Maybe they shouldn’t have spent the last three months bad mouthing these guidelines as the worst thing since Das Kapital? This is Sam Brownback all over again with Republicans denouncing the very policies they personally implemented.
HumboldtBlue
@Steeplejack:
Yeah, that.
Thanks
mrmoshpotato
Other way around, the virus owned Dump’s bitchwaffle ass. SAD!
ETA – And fuck ’em both. I’m not going to vote for either. Thankfully, there’s a Democratic candidate I can vote for.
Frankensteinbeck
@Kropacetic:
YAY, I LOVE EXPLAINING. You’d better have actually meant what you said.
In simple language: An orbit is the whole circle/oval you go around the Earth. That includes how gravity drags you. Even if for an infinitesimal amount of time you’re not going up or down, forward or back, relative to the surface of the Earth, your whole orbit has to be like that to be geosynchronous. When you jump, you technically are in orbit. It’s a teeny-tiny orbit that is going to intersect with the ground and be stopped real soon.
CaseyL
@Frankensteinbeck: Well, I appreciate the explanation! I figured you were referring to the shape of the curve, but more detail is welcome. Thanks!
HumboldtBlue
@Frankensteinbeck:
So that’s what’s happening with the parachutist just on a longer time scale?
Omnes Omnibus
@HumboldtBlue: @Amir Khalid: It’s not maple syrup. But at least it’s not racist anymore.
khead
@CaseyL:
I’m a bone-deep sports fan who is also missing having something to bet on and I feel the exact same way. It’s insane.
HumboldtBlue
@Omnes Omnibus:
So there’s that.
Marcopolo
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Whelp, this prolly explains the large daily jump in the ActBlue total dollars raised figure currently ~$5,352,000,000. For any campaign fundraising nerds out there, according to the ActBlue blog they hit $4 billion in November ’19. Then they hit $5 billion on May 28. Another $352 million in only 25 days is just bonkers. There should be a lot a lot of well funded D political campaigns this year.
Have a good night all.
Frankensteinbeck
@HumboldtBlue:
If they’re falling, they’re in an orbit, but a parachute uses air drag to distort their path.
zzyzx
@CaseyL: We’ve had pandemics before. People have gone back to mass gatherings. There’s a power of being part of a large group that’s all there for the same thing that can’t be replicated easily any other way. I expect to be seeing reasonably large concerts in 2021.
Martin
@Kropacetic:
Ok. When stand on the surface, you are in synchronous ‘orbit’, but only due to friction. You’re traveling at a bit more than 1000 MPH relative to the position of the earth relative to the sun. So, we’re all zooming pretty good. We don’t notice because the air is moving just as fast, and the trees, and your cat. When you see the sun moving across the sky, that’s because you’re moving 1000 miles an hour.
So, if you drew a circle on a piece of paper, representing the surface of the earth, and also representing an orbit, then you are on that circle. If you jump, you would then be on a circle that was the same diameter but offset ever so slightly from the original circle. Not really, because that curve would rapidly bend toward the center of the earth thanks to gravity, but for a brief time it’s a sufficient approximation. For the tiny part of the circle that is outside the original, that’s you in the air. As soon as the two intersect, that’s you landing on the ground and returning to your old orbit back on the surface. You never get to complete the rest of that circle because the ground got in the way.
Now, you could in theory orbit just above the ground, but you’d need to move horizontally fast enough to counteract the effect of gravity pulling you down. That’s about 17,000 miles an hour, so it’s moving pretty good. That would produce a circle slightly larger than the earth centered on the same point. You’re gonna have some trouble with air resistance at that speed. Aircraft can maintain the illusion of maintaining constant altitude at lower speeds because much of the work being done by the engines is generating lift, countering the pull of gravity without producing horizontal velocity.
But, when you jump up, you’re actually moving sideways at 1000MPH. But you are when you’re standing still, so you don’t notice.
You’re actually moving much faster than that if we shift to different reference frames. The earth orbits the sun at 67,000 miles an hour, so we’re all going that speed when viewed from a ‘stationary’ point relative to the solar system. And the solar system is orbiting the center of the galaxy at a bit over 500,000 MPH.
So yeah, when you’re feeling tired and just want to sit still for a minute, good luck with that.
HumboldtBlue
@Frankensteinbeck:
So it’s the gravity of the earth that pulls them back to earth and therefore intersects their orbit… with what?
Does that make sense?
randy khan
@CaseyL:
I’m going to rant a bit here – apologies in advance.
If there’s a lesson of 1918, it’s that even a really horrific pandemic (and, honestly, COVID-19 is nowhere near as bad as the 1918 flu) isn’t that likely to change long-term behavior. People like being around other people. When they get the chance to do it again, the way to bet is that they will do it.
This is why, even though I’m not particularly sympathetic to the people crowding bars where they can, I get why it’s happening. Sure, there are people who are finding the Current Times to be not so bad because they’re not that gregarious, but that’s not what we area as a species. It’s important to remember that when thinking about how people will behave in a year or two.
Heck, even when the New York Times surveyed epidemiologists, more than a third expected to be willing to attend a sporting event or concert within the next year, and almost half expected to stop routinely wearing a face covering within that time. Most of the rest of the population will get to those places much sooner.
Jeffro
@HumboldtBlue:
@Amir Khalid:
They’re changing
The NAME.
get a grip, TCNJ weirdos!
these people’s circuits must have fried long ago
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@HumboldtBlue:
That reminds me of one time in my AP Government class, I was saying something about Palestine and a right-wing asshole with a monotone voice asked aloud, “Where’s Palestine?” in a real snotty way. Same dude also made a shitty “AIDS kills Gays harhar” joke to his buddies that I overheard and called him out on in front of the whole class. The look on his face was priceless. Coincidentally, he and a chunk of the class were Catholics.
We even did a mock Supreme Court where we held hearings on the constitutionality of gay marriage. Every other justice besides myself ruled it unconstitutional. Again, they were all conservative Catholics. Monotone douche was the lead counsel for the anti-gay marriage side
Gin & Tonic
@Martin:
Technically the work of the engines is to generate thrust; it’s the airflow over the wing that generates lift.
zzyzx
The Fremont neighborhood in Seattle has a rocket attached to a building. There’s a plaque explaining its importance and it refers to the “suborbital flight” that it took to its new home, aka someone put it on the back of a truck and drove it there.
Frankensteinbeck
@HumboldtBlue:
The gravity of the earth pulls them back down to earth, yes. The ground intersects and stops the orbit. If you were able to pass through the planet instead of being stopped, any jump* would create an orbit and you’d keep circling forever. But the ground is solid and you are solid, so you go bump and your orbit is stopped.
*You wouldn’t even have to jump. Whatever your location and speed, some math would chart the oval that makes adding gravity.
bluehill
@Amir Khalid:
not all the kids are alright.
WaterGirl
@raven: what do you think it’s about?
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Omnes Omnibus:
I always thought it was racist on some level, even I didn’t know the brand’s origins. In my 4th year Spanish class, we had a student from I believe Nigeria and my Spanish teacher nicknamed her “Aunt Jemima”. Everybody, including the girl from Nigeria (who seemed pretty Americanized. Can’t recall how long she had lived in the States), thought it was genuinely funny. I actually called the class out for this, but I was dismissed. They didn’t understand why it was racist and I couldn’t explain why it was.
randy khan
@TS (the original):
Based on the Johns Hopkins numbers, this is extremely wrong. (By my count, this is the 7th time since June 7 that the number of deaths has gone up from the previous day.) But daily anything is not a good way to measure the pandemic anyway – reporting is uneven, particularly on weekends, and individual bits of data are kind of lumpy. You need to smooth things out over some reasonable period, like a week or so.
rikyrah
@Brachiator:
This makes sense.
zzyzx
@randy khan: I’m not a bar person, but it doesn’t surprise me that people who are driven to that sort of thing are finding any excuse to go.
My analogy (since I came of age then) is the AIDS crisis. AIDS was far more deadly and far easier to avoid, but when you’re dealing with powerful drives, people are only going to be able to resist them for so long. I just hope people can do the best they can.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: Some people really like the sport. The skill, the hard work, the talent, and, in some cases, the ability to work together for a common goal.
HumboldtBlue
I think this is what Balloon-Juice looks like in the flesh.
Martin
@Gin & Tonic: Right but the work (work as a physics term) is still going to offsetting gravity.
Put another way, the engines create a forward force that is translated into vertical work by the wings. We tend to not think of how much energy is going into that because for some reason we don’t think of ‘not falling’ as requiring energy.
Steeplejack
@Eric S.:
The “fan noise” sort of makes it worse. It’s equivalent to a laugh track. But I admit I don’t know what else they could do.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@zzyzx: Yup, just like we had mass gatherings in the 1920’s, things will return to normal. If not next year(with competent leadership), then the next. I’m not sure about things like buffets though.
HumboldtBlue
@Frankensteinbeck:
Full service blog.
Thanks.
CaseyL
@khead: Thanks! I didn’t want to be the one to piss all over the fans’ feelings, so it’s nice to know some fan(s) agree with me :)
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
that should be “even if I didn’t know
rikyrah
@Mary G:
????
Sm*t Cl*de
@Kropacetic:
If you turned on Dark Matter mode while in mid-jump so only gravity affected you but not the unified forces, or if someone uncovered the trans-Earth tunnel while you were jumping, it would take 40-odd minutes to fall through the core then out to your personal Antipodes. Then another 40-odd minutes of free-fall to bring you back to the Podes, though of course you’d be in a different spot because the Earth rotated during all this. So a very elongated orbit.
This is assuming an Earth of constant density, and spherical cows.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: I guess I came back to the thread late and had forgotten some of the context from the earlier comments.
I assume that it IS about money for the team owners, and that they would want the teams to play this year in spite of the risk, because of the money involved.
In the part below, are you speaking from the perspective of the players, or the fans?
Another Scott
@Sm*t Cl*de: +1
XKCD #2087.
Obligatory: Explain XKCD 2087.
Cheers,
Scott.
Martin
@Marcopolo:
Let’s be honest, they could finish a game in an hour if they wanted to. Baseball is a VERY leisurely sport. I mean, if cricket could figure out how to get a match done in under 3 days, baseball can figure it out as well.
zzyzx
@?BillinGlendaleCA: As a vegetarian diabetic who isn’t much of a cook, the Whole Foods hot bar has been a life saver for me when I couldn’t decide what to have for dinner. I suspect I’m not going to be able to use one of those again for a long time.
CaseyL
@randy khan: That is true, and I may be overstating the long-term effects. But the 1918 flu pandemic ended when, basically, everyone caught it and either died or recovered, developing immunity. (And then the national vaccination program started.)
The thing about Covid 19 is, we are neither doing the “herd immunity” thing – which the 1918 flu pandemic essentially was – nor the isolate/break the chain effectively. We’re doing a half-assed isolation, which is going to prolong the cycle of outbreaks, hospitalizations, deaths. And a vaccine may or may not work!
So even though Covid 19 is nowhere near as lethal as the 1918 flu, it may not be as neatly bookmarked in time as that one was. The cycle of outbreak/half-assed isolation/outbreak could go on much longer than the 1918 pandemic, and that’s why I think the social effects might also be more lasting.
Omnes Omnibus
Yes.
Amir Khalid
@raven:
Big-league pro sportsball is indeed all about money. Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Paris St.-Germain, Barcelona, AC Milan, Manchester City, Liverpool — each of these football clubs has a global following dwarfing that of the biggest NFL team. Their leagues negotiate TV rights for the whole world at nine-figure sums. Star players have endorsement deals that cover the planet. Second string players are traded for fees in the tens of million euros. Big-league global sportsball is a huge business.
moops
@Frankensteinbeck:
“orbit” has a useful definition. That isn’t it. An orbit that doesn’t have prescribed orbit-achieving velocity, or periods… Is that helping? Then every particle of any body is “orbiting”
HumboldtBlue
@WaterGirl: @Omnes Omnibus:
Whether it’s on a baseball diamond in an orchestra pit, we’ve lost the ability to interact with each other in very personal ways and that’s jarring particularly because we currently don’t have a hint of a path forward.
Sports is that angst writ large much more than say, a favorite band or recording artist who you can still enjoy on record or on video, but because it’s live and the result of the match, game, set or heat means there is a winner and a loser and we feast on winners and losers.
Another Scott
Relatedly, GovExec:
(Emphasis added.)
Hmm…
CalculatedRiskBlog.com is watching the CovidTracking.com numbers, and we’ve been stuck at ~ 500k/day for a while (15M per month). I hope these numbers don’t end up being like BoJo’s bogus 100k/day by the end of April.
It’s good that people recognize the need. I just hope that someone sensible is working around Donnie and Javanka to actually reach those goals.
Cheers,
Scott.
Another Scott
@Marcopolo:
“The arch of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.”
Cheers,
Scott.
NotMax
@Another Scott
I see what he did there.
Lacuna Synechdoche
Anne Laurie @ Top:
You’re surprised that the members of a former country that managed to get itself into a 5-way civil war have a problem respecting boundaries?