why the fuck do we even have the 25th amendment pic.twitter.com/AZuyAkXo9r
— John Cole (@Johngcole) June 24, 2020
Imagine if when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt got bored three months later and we just sued for peace.
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why the fuck do we even have the 25th amendment pic.twitter.com/AZuyAkXo9r
— John Cole (@Johngcole) June 24, 2020
Imagine if when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt got bored three months later and we just sued for peace.
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Cheryl Rofer
That’s what all the epidemiologists on my Twitter feed are saying too – I can’t believe this is happening.
But yeah, it is. Reports out of Arizona are starting to sound like New York in March.
A small bit of good cheer –
debbie
just heard on Colbert that Trump will be going to Mount Rushmore for July 4th fireworks. So we can add wildfires set off by fireworks to the list of worries.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
judging from their most recent TV appearances, Abbott and Ducey are still afraid to even strongly suggest masks, let alone require them, and I’ve been checking to see if the idiot in Nebraska backs off his threat to actually withhold funding from any local authorities that require them. All to appease the tiny ting god of Mean Tweets.
Geoduck
We have a 25th Amendment for when the President ends up in a literal medical coma. It wasn’t designed to deal with this situation, and is even harder to invoke than impeachment. (Which, BTW, was designed to deal with this situation.)
Patricia Kayden
Republicans are okay with us dying. We’re expendable you them. They’re fighting to destroy the ACA, defunding testing and supporting a President who refuses to wear a mask. Huge sigh.
Cheryl Rofer
And then there’s this –
chopper
sucks living in a failed state.
Hunter Gathers
No Nazi, you’re the Nazi
I have been given every assurance from Adolph Hitler that the bombing of Pearl Harbor was an isolated incident. Crazy Dems want War ! It was a perfect phone call.
The sick news media keeps making up stories about my good friend Adolph Hitler, the Strong leader of Germany. Concentration camps are fake news!!!!
Amir Khalid
It’s painfully clear to me that, for whatever reason, Trump is working to break the USA.
Uncle Cosmo
And it’s only going to get worse – & more widespread – as High Humid Summer hits like a sweat-soaked towel thudding on a boardwalk & all those good folks out in the weather pack into bars & restaurants where the A/C’s turned up to 11 & set to recirculate.
debbie
@Amir Khalid:
He’s doing to this country what he did to his casino. It’s probably all he knows how to do.
frosty
@Uncle Cosmo: Well, at least in Arizona and SoCal it’s a dry heat! Florida and Texas, not so much.
The mid-Atlantic keeps looking better, although I wish my goddam state (PA) would get its ass in gear on testing.
Villago Delenda Est
It’s not so much that he’s taking no action, he’s simply ignoring that there is action to take. It’s not like FDR suing for peace; it’s like FDR paying no attention to the landing craft disgorging Imperial Japanese Marines between LA and San Diego.
MisterForkbeard
This is not the right analogy. Imagine if when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt got bored three months later and then forgot to actually sue for peace and soldiers kept dying.
Cheryl Rofer
I think I’ve seen at least five new ads tonight. There’s a new organization getting them out – Republicans Voting Against Trump, I think. But this is the good old Lincoln Project, and it brought tears to my eyes. Good to see they’re putting positive material in some of them.
Martin
What antifa is doing to this country is terrible.
Cheryl Rofer
Anyway, good night y’all. It’s going to be an ugly four months, and who knows what in the three after.
bluehill
@debbie: I’m from corporate america and I’m here to help. Hoping that people will finally learn that running a country like a business isn’t a good thing.
Aleta
Some parties must be making a new fortune on all the tests and labs. I’m deeply depressed by the bad parts of the news, and my dog has cancer in his forehead or nose. He might have a few weeks or a few months. It’s going to be very hard.
Belafon
From what i remember of history, a lot of Republicans at the time would have been ok with it.
Martin
Actual headline on CNN right now:
Even the institutions have given up pretending.
John Cole
@Aleta: Oh, no. I am so sorry.
MisterForkbeard
@Villago Delenda Est: Yeah, what you said.
Villago Delenda Est
@Belafon: Isolationism was doomed when the Wright Brothers did their thing at Kitty Hawk.
Donald is an isolationist, along with having no clue as to how a market economy works. He, with the degree in finance from UPenn, home of Wharton.
Mandarama
I am stuck in my house because I live in a state full of dipshits. And I moved here from the even worse state I was born in. I am Wore.Out.
Villago Delenda Est
@Aleta: Cancer just sucks, period. I hope your companion is spared pain.
Searcher
Is there an in joke I’m missing with no one commenting on this?
joel hanes
@Amir Khalid:
for whatever reason
Payback.
Because a black President ridiculed Trump at the White House Correspondents Dinner.
Because Trump’s father never loved him, nor did anyone else.
Because Presidenting is hard work, and no one can save him.
Because nothing, even the power and panoply of being President of the United States, can fill the aching void at the center of his being.
Mandarama
@Aleta: Oh no! I’m so, so sorry. ?
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
It saddens me there will be no statues of Trump to tear down
Joey Maloney
@Searcher: From the movie Animal House.
MisterForkbeard
@Martin: Well, it’s an opinion/”analysis” piece, but yeah.
Zzyzx
@Searcher: Animal House
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI
Amir Khalid
@Aleta:
So, so sorry to hear this. (((Hugs)))
Villago Delenda Est
@Searcher: National Lampoon’s Animal House
joel hanes
@Villago Delenda Est:
He, with the degree in finance
A degree one’s father pays for does not signify the same degree of understanding and diligence as a degree one earns.
Martin
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: Daughter asked if he’d have a library. Maybe, it’d only have his book in it, and we’d burn it down on the first Tuesday after the first Monday of every month.
dmsilev
@Cheryl Rofer: Knowing what that moment led to, I didn’t react very well to the George W Bush clip. The rest of the ad was good.
joel hanes
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch:
no statues of Trump to tear down
We could establish a tradition similar to the British Guy Fawkes Day …
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Cheryl Rofer:
The Trump admin and the fascist judges on the Supreme Court are playing with fire
dmsilev
@Martin: Of course he’ll have a library. Or, more precisely, he’ll have a ‘non-profit’ devoted to raising money for the biggliest library you can possibly imagine.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Aleta:
I’m so sorry to hear that
burnspbesq
@Amir Khalid:
OT: Congrats. Hope we’re both still around the next time they win it.
Quaker in a Basement
@joel hanes: Also:
Because he’s just a dick.
Juju
I wish we could call for a vote of no confidence and hold the election in 30 days.
Quaker in a Basement
Too, also:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbZ53wQWkAExka2?format=png&name=small
Mary G
@Aleta: Oh, no. He’s such a good boy. I’m sorry.
dmsilev
Caption to photo on WaPo homepage:
I mean, ok, it’s not quite at the back of the line when it comes to reopening, but once you take the Shared Licking Experience and the Group Inhalation Project off the table…
burnspbesq
Social distancing and mask wearing both taking it in the shorts outside Anfield tonight.
Celebrate in private, ya fookin’ idjits.
MisterForkbeard
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Most of the legal scholars I know think the case is basically nuts: It has to ignore the fact that Congress could have chosen to remove Obamacare when they reduced the ‘tax’ penalty to $0 but didn’t, and very clearly intended the law to stay intact when they made that change.
That may not stop Roberts, because he’s a fucking sociopathic Republican operative. He’s made utterly ridiculous legal arguments before.
trollhattan
@Aleta:
:-( So very sorry. Give your doggie unconditional love and an extra hug from us.
Cameron
@Villago Delenda Est: No. FDR did what he had to do: on December 8, he addressed the nation and announced that it was the responsibility of the governor of each state to determine the appropriate response to Japan.
Cameron
@bluehill: Especially if it’s a really lousy businessman doing the running.
Amir Khalid
@burnspbesq:
I’ll definitely be around next year (he said confidently).
Kent
And the government stopped paying for the war and re-supplying the armies. Just left them out there to wither away. Because those soldiers weren’t doing anything for the Dow, and they aren’t really “our people” anyway.
CaseyL
@Aleta: I am so, so sorry!
SectionH
@Aleta: I am so damn sorry.
scribbler
@Aleta: So sorry about your doggie. Wishing you strength and love for the rough days ahead.
clay
@dmsilev: Amazing Grace still gets me. Every time.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Martin:
This fucking piece of shit cares more about protecting statues glorifying traitorous slavers than protecting Americans during a pandemic. He’s already signed an executive order to assign US Marshalls to protect national confederate statues as well as ordered the Pike statue to be put back up in DC. A
When asked about it, this is what Trump’s National Park Service had to say:
“Criminal activity”. Was it “criminal activity” when symbols of the Nazi regime were destroyed at the end of WW2?
Villago Delenda Est
@Cameron: /highfive
trollhattan
Glad to know we’ll be closing the book on this madness.
He impacted millions of lives indirectly and hundreds, make that thousands directly. Closure for victims and families is a tonic of incalculable value.
SectionH
@joel hanes: Would it involve men drinking lots of beer and then peeing onna Trump effigy? Or??? I don’t see it somehow.
Cameron
@dmsilev: It’s a children’s museum, dammit. No matter what you’ve heard, it has no connection with that other great Philadelphia institution, Doc’s Leisure Time.
Benw
@Aleta: that sucks. So awful.
SFAW
@Aleta:
Very sorry to see this. Cancer sucks, and cancer in a pet sucks even worse.
CaseyL
Regarding the post’s topic: I want to jump up and down and scream at the top of my lungs:
IT’S NOT JUST TRUMP. IT’S THE ENTIRE GOP, FROM MAYORS TO GOVERNORS, REPS AND SENATORS, AND JUDGES. ALL OF THEM SUPPORT HIM. ALL OF THEM SUPPORT WHAT HE IS DOING TO US.
I know everyone here knows this, but I felt like screaming anyway.
Trump is breaking the US, maybe already has broken the US, but he has had and continues to have A LOT of help.
laura
@Aleta: I’m so sorry for you and your boon companion.
West of the Rockies
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch:
Some money to be made though in TP featuring Trump’s ugly mug. Talk about a shit-eating grin!
SectionH
@Cameron: And since Hawaii was a Territory, it wasn’t really an attack.
Martin
@MisterForkbeard: Roberts is the one who held it together in the first place.
Cameron
@trollhattan: Christ, he’ll have a bigger crowd than Trump did in Tulsa.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@MisterForkbeard:
Like Martin said, Mr. Balls and Strikes was the one who held it together in the first place. I hope he makes the right choice. I mean it when I say they’re all playing with fire. Millions are out of work and there’s a pandemic raging. That’s a recipe for a lot of people with nothing to lose
Martin
@Cameron: Not quite, but then he didn’t kill as many Americans, either.
Brachiator
Exactly. I have used this metaphor or hypothetical in conversation with friends about the federal inadequacy with respect to the pandemic and Trump’s outrageous combination of incompetence and boredom.
I am also saddened by the number of historians who seem to be afraid to speak up and put Trump’s failure to act into perspective, but also applaud those who are just upfront saying that Trump is full of shit.
James E Powell
@dmsilev:
They are, after all, Republicans.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Brachiator:
I see this a lot with the media too. For the most part, they will never just come right out and say Trump and the GOP are illiberal, authoritarian far-right nationalists. It’s obvious that’s what they are. Nobody aside from some on the left will do this. It’s just politely ignored.
With historians, I think it’s because they’re afraid of being “political”
Raoul
And now the Trump Admin along with some of the most Covid-spiking states in the US of A have filed their brief at SCOTUS to entirely scupper the Affordable Care Act.
They are murderous, hell-bent purveyors of evil. And I am in no way exaggerating.
eta @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): “That’s a recipe for a lot of people with nothing to lose”
Yes. People w/ pre-existing conditions who are destined to have long term health problems + bankruptcies aren’t going to feel particularly wedded to the social fabric. Could all go rather sideways if it’s literally a million post-Covid people!
Ruckus
@debbie:
It’s
probablyall he knows how to do.Fixed it for you.
He’s a fuckup. A major fuckup. It’s the one and only thing he’s good at, being a major fuck up. Any issue, he can fuck it up. Doesn’t matter if it’s his dad’s money, the money he’s grifted by stiffing people, vlad’s money, he can lose it, hell throw it away, better than anyone else, after all he has the most practice at it. The only thing he’s close to an expert at is being a fuck up. Except he’s not trying to fuck up, he’s just so bad at everything, fucking up is his normal result. He’s just limited by his intelligence, his upbringing, his personality (or lack thereof), his hugely overinflated ego, and his overwhelming need to be liked by his father, even decades after his father passed away.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Ruckus:
Allegedly, Trump was actually given $400 million instead of the $1 million inheritance he claims his father left him. And he still fucked it up and squandered it
JohnMCinNc
@Searcher: “Animal House” scene with the late, great John Belushi
rikyrah
@debbie:
Godspeed?
rikyrah
@Searcher:
Animal House??
rikyrah
@Raoul:
you tell the truth ?
rikyrah
@CaseyL:
Scream away
rikyrah
@Aleta: I
so sorry ???
rikyrah
@Cheryl Rofer:
That is Who they are
Ruckus
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
The numbers are all over the place but it wasn’t chump change in those days, hell it’s not even chump change in these days.
Supposedly he screwed his siblings out of quite a bit of their share of the loot. He is not, in any way. a good human. Never has been.
Read the wiki entry on dad fred trump if you want some idea of where he “learned” to be such a bag of shit. Asshole didn’t fall far from the father.
rikyrah
@Patricia Kayden:
Wipe them out.
ALL OF THEM??
prostratedragon
@Aleta: Sorry to hear about lil’ doggie. Always hoping for peaceful times.
satby
@Aleta: Sorry to hear that. Hope you’re given the time to spoil your sweetie before you have to say goodbye.
Noncarborundum
@Searcher: Animal House. Also, I just want to tell you both good luck. We’re all counting on you.
Noncarborundum
@Ruckus: Good human? He’s almost not human at all. If you look up “scum of the Earth” in the dictionary, his picture is there.
Croaker
John
Well that’s great, that’s just fucking great man. Now what the fuck are we supposed to do? We’re in some really pretty shit now man!
Cage goes in the water. You go in the water. The sharks in the water.
We told him how are land had been stolen and our people were dying. When we finished he shook our hands and said, “ endeavor to persevere”. They stood us in a line: John Jumper, Chilly McIntosh, Buffalo Hump, Jim Buckmark, and me I am Lone Watie. They took our pictures
We thought about it for a long time, “endeavor to persevere”. And when we thought about it long enough, we declared war on the Union.
Yep pretty much sums it up.
Ksmiami
@Searcher: Animal House – Bluto /Belushi rallies the expelled frat to fight back with a futile and stupid gesture…
Ksmiami
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): fuck it/ I’m rich and I’m ready to torch these useless American institutions-
Jay
Jay
@Aleta:
I am so sorry.
Don’t give up.
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
LongHairedWeirdo
“Imagine if when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt got bored three months later and we just sued for peace.” (fixed the nation)
I disagree – this is more like Trump calling the ships back after the battle of Midway, *without* suing for peace. “One day, like a miracle, the threat from Japan will just go away…”.
I saw one article that I thought was a tiny bit unfair, saying that Trump had wasted millions of bucks on an N95 mask cleaning process (it uses peroxide vapor to sterilize), but while they *hoped* it would let a mask be used up to 10 times, it rarely makes it to 4 uses, and is immediately suspect, because the process causes some weakening of the fasteners.
As I said, I thought that was a *little* unfair; it sounded like a good idea to me, and we’re spending trillions on this, so why are we worrying about mere millions?
Then I decided it wasn’t. See, if Trump wasn’t even worthless as a *coward*, his cowardice would have had him paying to start up PPE production, having FEMA make bulk orders for the states, and trying *everything*, including this mask cleaning process which, on the whole, was never that *good*, to try to be an actual wartime President. He’d be so afraid he’d be criticized for not doing X, he’d do X, and Y, and Z, and W, and some V and U, to boot.
If he, and the rest of the Republican Party, weren’t so plum worthless, that might have been an election-winning strategy. And it would have saved lives. That they didn’t think of this really shows just how worthless, and evil, they are.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Geoduck: They didn’t even use the 25th when Wilson was incapacitated by a stroke and his wife was basically president.
Martin
@Jay: A few weeks after I moved to CA I got a jaywalking ticket. I actually started walking away from the cop because I thought he was bullshitting me. Jaywalking was a real thing?
I grew up in NY – cross the street at the light, not at the light – doesn’t matter – in either case its up to you to reach the other side alive, cars ain’t gonna stop for you light or no. Turns out jaywalking was a thing in NY, I was just too white to know about it.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Apparently what’s going on is Trump’s decided he’s going to lose the election so he is wrecking everything just to be a brat. Note that Trump shutting down the testing screws a lot of deep Red States.
Martin
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: That would have been tough as it wasn’t written until 1965.
Villago Delenda Est
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: The 25th wasn’t adopted until the Truman Administration, though I’m sure the experience with Wilson informed the thinking behind it.
Jay
Villago Delenda Est
@Martin: Yup, you’re right, I was thinking of the reordering of the line of succession and the limitation of the President to two terms, which happened during Truman’s term.
Elie
@Aleta:
Just love him long as you can. At first evidence of suffering – you’ll know when – take care of him. You’ll know when.
Villago Delenda Est
@Noncarborundum: THAT is from Airplane!
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
@Villago Delenda Est: introduced and passed after Kennedy was killed.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Kent: It’s funny you say that because there is one You Tube Libertarian, TIK that goes on and on about how awful governments involved in WWII didn’t use freemarket solutions to wage the war. I mean, paying for wars was traditionally done by plundering captured cities, but considering how destructive modern war is that doesn’t seem very viable.
Califlander
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: you’re joking, right?
Villago Delenda Est
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: The only response to idiocy of that nature is Indiana Jones dispatching the sword wielding thug in the streets of Cairo.
Jay
Jay
Mallard Filmore
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
Obviously he does not know how monstrously heavy a modern army’s logistical tail is.
Jay
Jay
@Mallard Filmore: Its obvious how little that person knows, or thinks,
Jay
Jinchi
He’s doing worse than taking no action. He’s actively making the problem worse. Constantly lying about the severity of the crisis, pushing racist nonsense to deflect blame from himself, encouraging his base to fight against wearing masks, demanding that states re-open despite not meeting CDC criteria, forcing meat packing plants to remain open even when they’ve repeatedly become the site of major outbreaks, seizing PPE on it’s way to state hospitals, pushing snake oil cures, silencing and firing scientists for pushing back on his lunacy, packing thousands of people together to listen to him rant about slippery shoes. And now demanding (again) that the Supreme Court strip health care from millions of Americans.
We’d be much better off if he simply played golf 24/7.
piratedan
@Jay: they held a vigil for him today close to downtown Tucson
Jay
Jay
@piratedan:
yup, “I see dead people”, sadly, everywhere. At the hands of cops.
Martin
We’re definitely having a moment.
It’s happening everywhere. Every game community is having to deal with a least a part of the toxicity in their neighborhood. My preferred e-sport has lost its two most prominent casters to credible allegations and there’s a mess of lesser accusations that is causing a lot of atonement.
Jenna Marbles leaving YouTube, at least for a while over some blackface videos from years ago. Twitch is really getting pulled apart (understandably so). This is wild. Long overdue, don’t get me wrong, and really just a splinter of the whole problem, but it’s really something to see such a spontaneous groundswell of activity.
Jinchi
Yes.
Jay
Jay
@Martin:
people are pissed off at the injustice. Covid has accelerated it.
we played by “the rules”, got fucked and the “real criminals” won.
Ms. Deranged in AZ
@Aleta: I’m so sorry. We are here for you, to whatever degree that might help you. And you know many of us have lost our fur babies too so we understand. Big hugs to you and your pup.
Jay
Jay
Jay
Jay
low-tech cyclist
I can at least understand why elected Dems are gun-shy on impeachment, even if I think they’re wrong.
But no, I cannot for the life of me understand why they aren’t calling en masse for Trump to resign. It’s a freebie for them – they don’t have to actually do anything, besides state the obvious: that Trump won’t do shit about the coronavirus, other than find ways to make things even worse.
This is America’s worst crisis since the freakin’ Cuban missile crisis. And Trump isn’t even interested in trying to do anything about it. Publicly recognizing this, and asking him to step down and give Pence a chance – how would that either (a) be wrong, or (b) have any meaningful political cost to it?
I don’t get it.
Sebastian
@Martin:
This whole rightwing incel red pill edgelord Czernovich Shapiro Spencer online bullshit started with GamerGate. I am not surprised.
CaseyL
@Jay: Another “lost decade”? That’s the second one in a generation, the aftereffects of the Great Recession in 2008 being the first.
All thanks to the GOP and their donors.
As Yakov Smirnoff used to say, “What a country!”
Martin
@Sebastian: Oh, yeah, me either. My daughter can’t play any online games, the abuse is so bad. I won’t play them either – just not worth the emotional drain.
Martin
Just introduced my daughter to Stone Mountain, wondering what will come of it. Her thought – blow up the carving and install a Bass Pro Shop in the hole that remains.
I think that’s a pretty good idea.
Jay
@low-tech cyclist:
some people lead, others, look for polling, then follow.
it’s part and parcel of the “lesser of two evils” thing earlier today where a bunch of people of privledge got their knickers in a knot.
Trudeau said UBI a couple of months ago, like it was a new Idea, not floating around since well before the ‘80’s.
of course, he wasn’t working 3 part time jobs, sleeping on busses and squats, during the Volker recession or dealing with a 26% mortgage rate.
Jay
Good nite all, may your dreams be Covid free, may there be more justice in the world tomorrow.
It’s totally fucked up white male privlege that a “xxxxx” can’t play an online multi player game with out harassment.
It’s a “little thing” compared to “murder by cop”, but still,….
Jay
One last:
cmorenc
@dmsilev:
Then you missed the point of why the ad is so devastatingly potent in reaching across the spectrum of folks who harbor reasons (whether right or wrong) to have approved / voted for some of the four example Presidents and disapproved / voted against others, with individual viewer categorization tending to fall in obvious pairings. The ad demonstrated an exemplary moment where each of the four appealed to the better angels of American people in a uniting way in a crisis moment across the political spectrum, regardless of whether each particular viewer regards other moments of the respective Presidencies as badly tarnished. And makes a devastatingly poignant contrast against Trump to whichever of the four counter-example Presidents a particular viewer most positively identifies with, and even draws at least one potent positive example to admire from whichever of the four the viewer otherwise likes the least.
Morzer
We have the 25th Amendment so that Republicans can show that they are the willing fucktoys of their latest deranged old man working on becoming a dictator.
TomV
@Searcher: @Searcher: Bluto’s speech in “Animal House”: “Was it over when the German’s bombed Pearl Harbor? No!”
Boris Rasputin (the evil twin)
@Aleta: So sorry. It’s so hard to lose such a great friend.
SWMBO
@Aleta: We lost the doggo love of my husband’s life to cancer. He was diagnosed the first Friday of February in 2010 and was gone the last Friday of February. He is still much missed.
I hope that your boy is able to live pain free as much as possible in the time he has. Many hugs for both of you.