Trump has white power golf cart paraders locked up, but this CNN analysis of senior citizen sentiment in Florida echoes much of the anecdotal evidence I’ve been hearing from local elders:
Here in Florida, people 65 and older made up 21% of the vote in 2016. Trump won that group by 17 points over Hillary Clinton. But now, one poll after another shows Joe Biden either tied — or with an edge — among senior citizens in key battleground states and nationally…
The worries over losing the senior vote come as coronavirus cases climb nationwide, four months before the general election. And here in Florida, summertime signs of anxiety are plentiful, as a record-setting 10,109 cases were reported Thursday. The administration’s handling of the crisis was raised again and again during interviews with older voters — a group more vulnerable to serious illness from coronavirus — here this week. Several people pointed to the pandemic as only their latest disappointment of the Trump presidency, with some using words like “embarrassment” and “laughing stock to the world” to describe their view of the President.
I’ve had a sense for a while now that Trump’s clown act abroad is a sore spot, especially with older voters who grew up thinking of America as “exceptional” and respected around the world. The bungled coronavirus response brings our current low and chaotic state into sharp relief.
Also, as we’ve mused in comments for weeks, the Trump campaign’s decision to portray Biden as an addled, incoherent old man is dumb on three levels: 1) it’s a better description of Trump than Biden, 2) Biden vaporizes the premise when he speaks more clearly and intelligently than Trump, which is every time Biden speaks, and 3), Trump and Biden’s fellow seniors find it offensive:
The airwaves are filled with political ads here in Florida, including a Trump campaign commercial that questions Biden’s fitness for office. That spot did not sit well with Democrats here like Joyce Monahan, a retired professor.
“Trump is not that much younger, but in the case of Joe Biden, his inherent wisdom and his desire to surround himself with the best people is clear. He’s already said Anthony Fauci is coming with him,” she said with an air of excitement in her voice. “This is the wrong place to talk about age!”
Ya think?
Nothing is ever in the bag, and we have to expect every dirty trick in the book. Anything is possible, with the exception of Trump suddenly growing into the job, taking decisive action to manage our many problems and acting like the president of ALL Americans rather than just the white power golf cart people. But right now, the bloated orange turd is circling the drain.
Open thread.
debbie
I assume if she were alive in 2016, my mother would have voted for Trump along with her sons. I know she would have changed her mind by now, but I doubt my brothers ever will, if only to face-save that they had never been wrong.
Cameron
I live in an Old-Fart-Land place, just north of SRQ. I have seen no Trump yard signs; the vehicles carrying Trump stickers appear (insofar as I can see) to be populated with Youngs who exit their vehicles on all fours. I think Biden will take FL, but the bullshit with the ex-con vote doesn’t help.
Hoodie
It’s fun to watch incompetent boobs like Kushner and Parscale vaporize Trump’s campaign funds. It’s becoming pretty clear they bought their own bullshit from 2016. Trump’s standing with seniors in 2016 may be somewhat like the 2016 Bernie boomlet in that it was more based on Clinton hatred than actual popularity of Trump or Bernie. In the case of this age cohort, they were steeped in decades of demonization of the Clintons (the vast majority of which was not Clinton’s fault). Not as effective against Handsome Joe.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Wasn’t that a common compliant from the Elders about Obama, he wasn’t respectful enough?
I was skeptical at first but, the Democrats seem to be threading the needle of finding a candidate sufficiently white and ossified enough not trigger white snowflakes but yet open to new ways of doing things so we get some shit done. Then again, heck if Biden is boring as all F for the next four years that would be a vast improvement over Trump.
yellowdog
I’m afraid that DeSatan will still find a way to carry the state for the shitgibbon using compromised voting machines, voter suppression and killing off the olds and anyone non-White. He is too far up the shitgibbon’s ass to do anything else.
Aleta
If this is some kind of omen…yikes!
Eagle flying around with a shark, said to be off Myrtle Beach
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1278705237570867200
ETA or not a shark …
ETA 2 and actually an osprey …
SFAW
From the article:
He’s running the country EXACTLY the way he ran his businesses: driving them into the ground, while making sure he grifts as much as he can.
If you weren’t such a moron, “retired banker” Dudley, you would have seen that
Another Scott
+1
Repost:
Make it so!!
Cheers,
Scott.
MattF
It’s a fact that Trump has managed to alienate a remarkably wide variety of demographic groups. The other side of this fact is that he has, quite deliberately, narrowed his appeal down to ever-more explicit racism. MIchelle Goldberg notes that Republican blindness about this gets ridiculous:
SFAW
@yellowdog:
Not that I think they’d ever do it, but I wish the various non-RWMF newspapers in Florida would start up with “What ratfuckery is DeSatan going to pull as a means to steal Florida for Trump?” Keep pounding on that for the next four months. It wouldn’t necessarily stop DeSatan, but it would make it harder for him to cheat.
SFAW
@Another Scott:
Oh please oh please oh please
OzarkHillbilly
They should have started 20 years ago.
Hoodie
@SFAW: This is a pretty common form of wishful thinking in this group. My FIL solemnly told me on the eve of 2016 that he was going to vote for Trump because he could be another Reagan. I guess there was some truth to that, but not what he was thinking. It was hard not to start laughing thinking about whether the guy that brought us Trump Steaks and fired Gary Busey would be as great a president as the straight man from Bedtime for Bonzo. As long as these folks have been around, it’s kind of sobering to see how infantile and naive their worldview can be. I always wonder when I’ll start sounding like that.
cope
Well, I can only speak directly for the 65+ crowd I run with (maybe half a dozen fellow retired teachers) but we will all be enthusiastically doing our bit to wipe away the orange shit stain in the White House come November. Note: I didn’t say “enthusiastically voting for BIden”.
Jeffro
DJT was never popular, just lucky and corrupt…pass it on.
400 EVs here we come!
Enhanced Voting Techniques
I missed Chris Matthews being forced to resign for sexual harassment? Well, I am shocked, shocked I tell you.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/column-inevitable-donald-trumps-enablers-100033859.html
I will say it again; the whole reason for the Hillary hate in the press is because when Hillary was hot back in the ’90, all these pundits tried to bang her and Hillary slapped them down. The whole she’s frigid or she is a lesbian that was being said about Hillary, that’s how guys talk to other guys when they get turned down by a women.
debbie
@Cameron:
There is one Trump-Pence sign in my neighborhood. It’s inside the house. The window is dark glass, so one would have to be looking for it to see it (he had the sign on his front yard in 2016). Coward!
OzarkHillbilly
How do you know you don’t?
JPL
trump is already at the golf course..
Hoodie
@OzarkHillbilly: Yeah, that is a possibility.
skerry
I’m burying my mother today.
Fuck cancer.
OzarkHillbilly
@Hoodie: According to my sons it’s a probability in my case.
JPL
@skerry: So sorry and yes fuck cancer.
Ruckus
@debbie:
I’d bet there is a lot of this going on. Nice thing about voting in a booth, no one is in there with you, unless you need help and no one knows how you vote. What someone tells people to protect that massive ego is not the same thing as a secret vote. Of course there is that infamous senior (and normal humans) fault of never admitting any incorrect decision or thought, ever. But I suspect there may be some second thoughts by the time we get to Nov 3, because we know it’s not going to get better for anyone between now and then. And the people out and about, mask less and shoulder to shoulder are going to do a lot of damage, but most of it will be to themselves (and the medical people!). Some of the hardcore republican politicians are seeing the 50 foot tall writing on the wall, that being completely COVID ignorant is going to cost them lives and votes. And I think that some of them are going to have to change or lose the entire program. The old adage is that people vote with their pocketbooks, but the reality of dying for your ignorance and ego is still dying and that isn’t something that most people will fuck with, without cause. Now for some hate and racial animus will prevail but for a sizable portion the reality of dying is not all that palpable, even if they know they are closer than ever to that end.
OzarkHillbilly
@skerry: I’m sorry that you have to but glad that you get to. Still waiting to “bury” my BiL’s father.
Alison Rose
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: Yeah, these days, “boring” sounds heavenly. I’d fucking love for things to be boring again!
And jeez, “LOL old people are so dumb, so vote for me, old people!!” seems like a dumbass strategy even for this campaign. I’m sure there are some old folks who do the elderly version of Cool Girl™ Syndrome, the women who love Trump primarily because of what a sexist pig he is because they’re not like those feminists over there who just hate men, no way. It’s embarrassing to see grown ass women so desperate for a boy to like them. Maybe some Olds fall into that too, but it seems like a shrinking bloc.
TS (the original)
@debbie:
They only have to say they are voting for trump to save face. And if they said that while voting for Biden, I doubt they would be alone.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
You want dirty tricks?
Florida felons, recently re-enfranchised, have been disenfranchised again.
Kay
@debbie:
We have a lot here (although fewer than in ’16). There’s one that interests me. It’s a commercial building someone is using as a residence. I mean “using”- they moved into a commercial building and changed nothing about it. They had a whole Trump display- a big banner, a Trump flag, a yard sign. I went by there yesterday and it’s all gone. They could have moved I guess but I was dying to know what happened- imaging some crazy Trump “betrayal” and an angry tear-down :)
Alison Rose
@skerry: So very sorry <3
Hoodie
@OzarkHillbilly: Prospectively, it’s a certainty. My oldest thinks it’s already happened. He’s got a bright future, but he’s still kind of a punk who thinks the world began yesterday.
waspuppet
It’s almost as if having literally no plan for your presidency other than saying “Suck it I won” for four years, and then making your entire reelection campaign “Vote for me so I can say ‘Suck it I won’ for another four years” is not the political SOOPERGENIUS plan that (checks notes) a senile game show host thinks it is.
Aleta
@skerry: I’m so sorry. Take care.
Spanky
@skerry:
Fuck. This is one of the worst days of your life, judging by my very similar experience. To endure the day and lean on those you love are your primary tasks.
Peace and my best thoughts go with you.
p.a.
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: The cons’ puke funnel didn’t correctly predict the future and focused too much on the Clintons- remember they even set up future slagging of Chelsea if she became political. And for ‘some reason’ overfocused on O without spreading the filth enough on Joe, so there was little history of anti-Biden slander across his 2 admins to carry over against him this year.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@debbie: I’m not seeing any lawn signs at all in our neighborhood yet.
However, at least two houses have Trump 2020 flags, one of them on a flagpole right under the US flag. I guess I should be grateful he’s not flying the Confederate battle flag.
Kay
I gave out Biden yard signs yesterday – we had 200 and 150 went fast, but I put some back for the people who can only get them on the weekends. Our people love yard signs. I think it’s a good sign they’re putting them up this early though because a lot of people wait until after Labor Day because they’re a pain to move when you mow.
Betty Cracker
@skerry: Damn, I am so sorry. Wishing you peace and strength.
SFAW
@skerry:
So sorry. Wishing you the best. And, yes, fuck cancer.
Salty Sam
This rings true to me. My mid-80’s mom & step-dad, while always having been conservative Repubs, were absolutely bat-shit crazy about HRC being the Dem candidate in ‘16. When Trump became the R nominee, I broke my no-talk-politics rule with them, basically to BEG them to not vote for Trump. That conversation went nowhere- the Hillary Hate was strong in them. Thirty years of Regnery Press books on their shelf made sure of that.
The few times I’ve spoken with them during the pandemic, we gingerly tiptoe around the dead elephant in the room, Trump’s botched (and corrupt) response. I have no idea if they are among the cohort that has turned on him, they have drunk so deeply of the Fox Kool-Aid. My guess is they’ll sit out this election.
SFAW
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
Not that there’s much difference between the two.
Eunicecycle
@skerry: So sorry, skerry.
FlipYrWhig
@waspuppet: I love this. So true. SO true.
mmolleur
Trump’s running that “Biden is senile” ad every night on the NBC evening news which nobody but seniors watch and I just don’t get it. Parscale thinks he’s insulting Biden, he’s insulting the audience. It’s like saying we should be happy to die for the economy. Where’s Frank Luntz and his focus groups? If Trump loses 5% of the senior vote in FL, he’s toast.
SiubhanDuinne
@skerry:
I’m very sorry. May her memory be a blessing.
Eunicecycle
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: Chris’s question about Bloomberg, “why would he lie?” was possibly one of the most jaw-dropping, tone-deaf thing I have ever heard. Maybe I’ve been too sheltered, but I echo Warren’s response.
raven
PENSACOLA, Fla. (July 2, 2020) — The 2020 Pensacola Beach Air Show originally scheduled for July 8-11, 2020, has been canceled. The U.S. Navy Blue Angels team informed the Santa Rosa Island Authority of their decision to cancel their performance late Thursday afternoon.
In a statement from the Blue Angels: “After much discussion and consideration regarding the current rise in COVID cases in our hometown, we have come to the conclusion that canceling our flights during the Pensacola Beach air show is the only way we can ensure the safety of our community we love so much.
Each year we look forward to the opportunity to fly for our friends, family and neighbors here in Pensacola. This was not an easy decision to make. Unfortunately, we are navigating very uncertain and unpredictable times. We felt this was the necessary decision to make in effort to keep our community safe.”
The SRIA looks forward to hosting this popular annual air show event again next year, on July 9-10, 2021.
SFAW
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
Now would be a good time for Bloomberg to put his money where his mouth is, and provide funds for the ex-felons to pay off their poll taxes. [Not that I think he was sincere when he made that “promise.”] Of course, it would not surprise me if the FL Rethugs inserted a clause saying the payoff could not be funded by third parties. But until I hear otherwise, I’ll hope that they missed that one.
Kay
@Salty Sam:
I buy this to a certain extent, but I wonder about it because I watched them turn Al Gore into a hate object and then John Kerry. John Kerry went from this mild-mannered, wonky veteran with what seemed to be a very “clean” reputation into an object of derision they would have crawled over broken glass to beat. I feel as if all the Clinton commentary from political pundits where they treat her as a uniquely hated figure ignores all of our other losing candidates, who they also hated :)
Remember how the NYTimes treated Gore? Jesus. It was appalling. They ginned that hatred up in a year.
Betty Cracker
Lots of Trump signs, banners, etc., in my area, often displayed with Confederate flags. The one I find most offensive is a U.S. flag with Trump giving the thumbs up (another thing he’s ruined) superimposed on it. I’m am SO not a flag fetishist, but that definitely seems like a desecration to me.
My Trump-hating, leftier-than-thou daughter works for a printer who makes political signs on demand, and she keeps tabs on who’s winning the sign war and gives me details. It’s definitely Trump, according to her.
This makes her really nervous about the election. She despises Biden too, but not to the same extent and will vote for him to get rid of Trump (but will complain all the while).
Salty Sam
@Kay: Exactly. They love their Kool-Aid…
rikyrah
I think it’s very simple. Outside of the White Power crew, who are also the older crazy azz folks showing up on Twitter with the tantrums about having to wear a mask..
THE REST OF THE SENIORS ARE INSIDE.
They are inside and have been sheltering away FROM THEIR OWN DAMN FAMILIES.
Despite Fox Noise….they can’t get past that REALITY OF THE SENIOR’S LIVES.
They KNOW why they are inside.
They KNOW why they can’t see their families.
THAT cuts through a lot of noise.
They see the GOP telling them that they should ‘take one for the team’ and ‘ sacrifice FOR THE ECONOMY’
You don’t think folks see that?
Kay
@Salty Sam:
Every time I see the “Clinton as uniquely loathed figure on the Right” I think about riding in a parade here the summer before the 2004 election and their contorted faces as they screamed insults to the Kerry sign. John Kerry! Polite, smart, a veteran, had a sense of humor, never had even a WHIFF of scandal…Al Gore’s sin was the NYTimes thought he was too girly. Stone him!
Betty Cracker
@Kay: I think about that too, but it’s July already. Maybe the weird ending of the Democratic primary followed by the pandemic threw the worst elements of the media off their game? Also the NYT’s Vogel not-discovering an obvious impeachable offense while trying to generate “clouds and shadows” over Biden’s campaign; Vogel looked like a complete idiot, which may influence how other media narrative framers approach the “let’s smear the Democrat” game. It’s a worry for sure, but we may escape the usual buckets of crap through sheer dumb luck…
Dorothy A. Winsor
@skerry:
I’m so sorry.
Ruckus
@MattF:
I think a slight correction to that is in order.
Yes shitforbrains is a white power moron. Among
manyevery other form of moronic, but his message is always about one form of power – shitforbrains power. He doesn’t want power because he’s white, he wants power because he’s shitforbrains. He wants white power because he’s white and because he’s a narcissist, that whiteness is great. He could be a racist without the narcissism but I doubt a lot of racists are without some level of narcissism.Tom Levenson
@skerry: So sorry for your loss.
I hope those who love you are around you today.
rikyrah
@skerry:
So sorry for your loss. Prayers for you and your family.
Ken
That would be the senility part? A couple years ago, I said that Trump was sort of like a “Shazam” of recent Republican presidents – the senility of Reagan, the incompetence of Bush II, the criminality of Nixon, ….
Ruckus
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
It can never be them, it must be something wrong with that woman. They are every woman’s dream, don’tcha know. The concept of equality doesn’t relate to their world view because if they were equal to what they think about other people, they’d slash their wrists.
Ken
@raven: Counting down to Trump calling the Blue Angels a bunch of cowards and traitors spoiling his celebration…
debbie
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
There are many more signs out here than I’ve ever seen. Lots of Biden, lots of “Do Something!” (gun control), lots of thanks to frontline workers, lots of BLM supporters, lots of cheers for the high school graduates, and now, lots of signs protesting the school cuts that were just announced (“pauses” for arts, of course).
mrmoshpotato
@skerry: I’m sorry. May she rest in peace.
Fuck cancer.
debbie
@skerry:
I’m so sorry. Losing mothers is extra tough. I never got along with mine, but she left a sizable hole in my heart.
Citizen Alan
@Kay: My boss in 2004 told me that he hated John Kerry. Literally hated him. And his reason for that hatred was twofold. 1st, he was offended that John Kerry married Teresa Heinz who was so much wealthier than him and that made him a gold digger. 2nd, he thought Kerry only volunteered to serve in Vietnam out of a cynical future desire to get into politics. Sadly, I never have the opportunity to ask him for years later what he thought about John McCain.
catclub
he wants to avoid jail as long as possible.
rikyrah
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
lowdown, no-good muthaphuckas
Ascap_scab
@Aleta: Sharknado 6 – Death From Above
Ruckus
@Salty Sam:
Sorry about your folks.
Mine were solid dems, and would have hated shitforbrains with all of their might. Well mom would have but dad had Alzheimer’s for his last 20 yrs. But if they sit out the election, that’s the same as a democratic vote. And if they can’t see the world as anything other than Faux land, that’s probably not going to change, especially if they are well into the senior age bracket. I wonder what’s wrong with me, that I continue to be more and more liberal as I age, rather than the other direction. And I was always pretty damn liberal so……
Salty Sam
Two things in play here, I think. For one, the pace and intensity of the news cycle might actually be working against them. We all, MSM included, barely have time to catch our breath before another bombshell goes off. Shit is happening so fast and furious that messaging is suffering. The Wingnut Wurlitzer is out of tune and can’t keep up the beat.
The other thing is more along the lines of hope. I have watched for the entirety of my adult life as conservatism has seeped through and corrupted our political and social life, to bring us to these desperate and horrible times. I am daring to hope (indeed, it’s all I got left at this point) that the fever has begun to break, and change is in the offing. Not that we can sit back and watch it happen, but when I see how enthused and motivated our kids are, it gives me the courage to keep going.
Roger Moore
@Alison Rose:
I like to say there’s the good kind of exciting and the bad kind of exciting, and I’ll take boring over the bad kind of exciting any day. Trump is obviously the bad kind of exciting.
Unfortunately, I think the media has different ideas from the rest of us about this. For them, exciting is good and boring is bad. The only exception is when the bad kind of exciting is happening to them personally. Otherwise, if it bleeds it leads.
Immanentize
@skerry: I’m sorry about your mom. No matter the reason or their age, losing a parent always involves having a little bit of your own mortality stripped away.
And I am with you -+ Fuck cancer….
raven
@Citizen Alan: It was more because of his testimony at Dewey Canyon Three.
Sab
@rikyrah: Yes! That is me. My 6 year old grand-daughter lives next door and I can only wave at her. We delayed my husband’s birthday party by a day because it was raining and we can’t let the kids inside. My BIL finally got to see his mother in her memory care unit and she didn’t recognize him because it has been so long. My sister is stuck in CA because she is afraid to fly home She will probably have to retire abruptly.
Eunicecycle
@Ruckus: I have become more liberal, too! It has kind of caused a problem with my best friend, because we are no longer in the same page.
Salty Sam
My (liberal) brother and I attribute it to the Orange Sunshine and blotter acid…?
Ruckus
@rikyrah:
I sure do but then I’m not and never have been in any kind of awe or appreciation for shitforbrains. Or any of his ilk. Do you think that if shitforbrains drank he’d be a light beer aficionado, all the alcohol and none of the taste?
Ruckus
@Ken:
All of that and minus the charm, wit and intelligence. What a catch.
Sloane Ranger
@skerry: I’m so sorry. I know it’s too early but try to remember the good times.
Salty Sam
I always assumed my best high school buddy was on the same page as me, politically. Then in March ‘03, on the eve of “Shock and Awe”, I began grousing about cooked intelligence and being lied into a disastrous war of choice, and he took offense at my slurs of GWBush. We’re still good friends, though we leave politics at the door. I do know that he is firmly anti-Trump, but still proudly conservative.
Uncle Cosmo
Part 1 of a 3-part strategy:
Probably won’t work, but it might be the best shot they have (that doesn’t involve out-&-out criminality, though they’ll try that too)…
rikyrah
@Betty Cracker:
They were desperate for the. BUT HER EMAILS for 2020.
It’s why they wanted for Biden to open up his files. Had nothing to do with Tara Reade. She was a means to an end to get into the files and create their BUT HER EMAILS for 2020.
Aleta
@debbie: A lot less so far around where I’ve driven. I don’t know what month they began to flourish in 2016 here. At the time of a rally last month, I heard from protesters near there that a lot were seen along the roads. Maybe stuck in spots even w/o permission.
Ruckus
@Eunicecycle:
My buddy of almost 50 yrs has never and refuses to change his voting party info, he registered republican decades ago and refuses to change. He votes reliably democratic and hates shitforbrains with far more passion than I can muster and my distaste for shitforbrains is pretty damn strong, probably verging on, well I don’t know what. It takes all kinds to make a world, it makes it at least interesting, think how it would be if you agreed with everyone else. At least life isn’t boring, even if it is/can be tougher to get through it. I met a lot of people, from around the country and the world when I worked in professional sports and one thing I noticed was ego is no indicator of ability. I’ve seen world champions that seemingly had no expectations of greatness and people with no advantage, even in that one narrow aspect of talent who had egos as big as all outdoors and thought everyone else beneath them. It was interesting to see who the most people would want to hang out with and who had few to no friends at all. Too much ego – no one. Not so much ego – everyone.
Ruckus
@Roger Moore:
It is hard to write and get excited about boring. It’s easier to live with, unless it’s so boring that you sleep 20 hrs a day and nod off whenever that so boring opens it’s mouth. But not boring is what sells in the press. Especially with the amount of press we actually have now. Every TV station, every radio station, hell newspapers exist to sell not boring.
Cowgirl in the Sandi
I live in the Bay area and every night on CNN, Trump runs the commercial about how Biden is senile. It always freaks me out because WHY is he running it here in the BLUE bay area? Seems like a waste of $$ to me – but OK – waste your money here you dolt.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
If they were running an actual campaign, but as Carval has been pointing out Trump’s campaign is nothing but pack of grieters getting their share of Trump’s big grift. All they know is how to scam dumb people
Enhanced Voting Techniques
To understand this one has to channel their inner frat boi, the obsession over the Clintons is sex, between Bills extramarital affairs and Hilary in the day was hot herself (remember Trump going about Hillary’s butt?) and Chelsea is, well they do have a problem keeping their hands off children, don’t they?
Biden gets the pass because Biden’s ability to talk the pants off any woman he wants , all these dorks see themselves master pick up artists from Trump on down to the NYT editorial board so attacking Biden come close to attacking the things they truly value in life.
Tenar Arha
@skerry: May her memory be a blessing (& in solidarity, fuck cancer, amen)
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Eunicecycle: Matthews s likely is so caught up in the Dude Bro thing he probably forgot Warren is a woman because she doesn’t have huge breasts and giggles.
Steeplejack (phone)
@skerry:
Sorry for your loss. ?
jc
“we have to expect every dirty trick in the book.” Let’s name those, in order to be better prepared:
Voter suppression, strict ID requirements, etc.
Closing polling places
Ballot box tampering
Gerrymandering
Russian interference
Dirty dark money
Sabotaging the US Postal Service
“Losing” thousands of ballots
Dumping Pence, and choosing Nikki Haley
Passing out $100 bills on the street
Making the post-vote ballot counting process a fiasco
Trump is probably getting sure-fire election winning tips from Putin over his secure phone line
Suzy
@mmolleur: Well, Trump is doing a GREAT JOB at lowering expectations for Joe Biden in the debates. When Joe Biden gives a good performance, it will vaporize Trump’s argument.
After a shaky start during the primaries, Joe Biden was good in debates. He became better as the campaign progressed, as the number of candidates on the stage diminished. (Had found back his mo-jo, had more time, didn’t have to rush his delivery).
Obviously, debating Trump will be a challenge. The man will Gishgallop, gaslight, lie to unprecedented levels. He will be orders of magnitude worse than Sarah Palin and Paul Ryan.
J R in WV
@skerry:
So sorry to hear your bad news. I have helped bury many who died of cancer.
Aunt Kitty lived to be 94 and was funny as could be her whole life! Her mom, my grandma, lived to be 93. Grandma’s sister, Great Aunt Mae lived to be 94. None of them smoked. My mom smoked Pall Malls and died of COPD pretty young, before she got cancer. All three of my Aunt Kitty’s kids — some of my favorite cousins — died young of smoking tobacco.
Was pall bearer for my best friend’s father, lung cancer.
FUCK CANCER AND the Tobacco Companies, who used the most wildly addictive substance on the planet to make money. When mom was at college, they passed cigarettes out to the kids at the football games for free, to get them hooked. It worked, she smoked from college until she was over 60 and it killed her dead.
J R in WV
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
Earlier this week I went up the hill to fetch the tractor from their yard, where it has been parked for the past couple of months. J had a Biden for President sign in the yard — I’m sure she got it by buying it from the campaign folks, she’s an activist.
Their house is at the dead end of our farm road, which branches off a dead end rural county road, so absolutely no drive by traffic. I said “So, J, am I the first person who doesn’t live in your house to see your Biden sign?” She burst out laughing and nodding, it was so funny.
That’s why we don’t do lawn signs, no one will see them but us!!
I will get some signs to put in the SUV windows tho.
mmolleur
@Uncle Cosmo: That makes so much sense (especially if the VP pick is a woman of color), I can’t give Trump/Kushner/Parscale credit for it.