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You are here: Home / Elections / Biden For President / Tuesday Morning Open Thread: Working With What We’ve Got

Tuesday Morning Open Thread: Working With What We’ve Got

by Anne Laurie|  July 7, 20206:42 am| 133 Comments

This post is in: Biden For President, Open Threads

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(Thank you, Rikyrah and LAMH)

seriously it would obviously be 10,000,000 times better to not have a racist sea lamprey with a brain made of decaying potatoes for president but it is objectively funny how he gets his defenders to scream about how he’s not a racist and then does something outrageously racist

— kilgore trout, suburban female understander (@KT_So_It_Goes) July 6, 2020

“Trump’s incumbent advantages — money and the bully pulpit of the presidency — are eroding.” https://t.co/uJYyqEbjOd

— Daniel W. Drezner (@dandrezner) July 6, 2020

I'm not counting on anything until Biden's hand is on the Bible in January. https://t.co/XBIVyEoEB2

— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) July 6, 2020

Here in America, we call that “lying” https://t.co/nWKpnBbOvZ

— Soledad O'Brien (@soledadobrien) July 6, 2020

Please don't give me any "Trump can exploit 'cancel culture' going too far" takes. Maybe another Republican could. But Trump is not trusted *at all* on these issues. And he's not really even trying to be strategic about them; he operates from his impulses. https://t.co/GvTKt9jKqp pic.twitter.com/rnBNvLh4eU

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) July 6, 2020

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  1. 1.

    WereBear

    July 7, 2020 at 6:49 am

    I am so tired of winning!

  2. 2.

    MomSense

    July 7, 2020 at 6:58 am

    After the trillions we have spent on war, we are undone by respiratory droplets. Tanks, missiles, bombs, submarines, destroyers, aircraft carriers and all sorts of weapons and none of them stop respiratory droplets.
    The arrogance of it all.

  3. 3.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 7, 2020 at 6:59 am

    @WereBear:  Me too.

  4. 4.

    p.a.

    July 7, 2020 at 7:02 am

    @MomSense: FSM has a crappy sense of humor.

  5. 5.

    rikyrah

    July 7, 2020 at 7:04 am

    Good Morning, Everyone ???

  6. 6.

    Sebastian

    July 7, 2020 at 7:05 am

    What I am really worried about is Tucker Carlson. That asshole is going to run for president and he will be like Trump except not a complete moron.

  7. 7.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 7, 2020 at 7:07 am

    A woman who called police and falsely accused an African American man of threatening her life after he asked her to leash her dog in New York city’s Central Park is being criminally charged over the incident.

    Amy Cooper, 41, whose actions on 25 May were recorded in a video that went viral and were widely criticized as an example of everyday racism, is being charged with filing a false report, a class A misdemeanor punishable by up to one year in jail.

    “Today our office initiated a prosecution of Amy Cooper for falsely reporting an incident in the third degree,” the Manhattan district attorney, Cy Vance, said in a statement. “We are strongly committed to holding perpetrators of this conduct accountable.”

    A lawyer for Cooper could not immediately be identified. She is expected to be arraigned on 14 October.

    Washing up on the rocky shores of Karma Island.

  8. 8.

    debbie

    July 7, 2020 at 7:07 am

    @MomSense:

    Always, always. ?

  9. 9.

    debbie

    July 7, 2020 at 7:09 am

    I guess I don’t really understand what cancel culture is, but I don’t see Trump employing public shaming, only demonizing. ??‍♀️

  10. 10.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 7, 2020 at 7:10 am

    @Sebastian: God doesn’t like me near enough for that to happen. The MF’er has been spouting absolute idiocy on TV for decades. It’s what folks in the politics biz call a “target rich environment”.

  11. 11.

    raven

    July 7, 2020 at 7:14 am

    @debbie: I think it’s like me purging everyone I don’t like from my Facebook.

  12. 12.

    JPL

    July 7, 2020 at 7:14 am

    @Sebastian: Insinuating that Tammy Duckworth hates America should help him.

    Imagine a trump or tucker president instead of FDR.   I loathe those people.  

  13. 13.

    JPL

    July 7, 2020 at 7:15 am

    @debbie: Well trump did call on everyone to cancel their Macy’s card after they dropped Ivana’s line.

  14. 14.

    Jeffro

    July 7, 2020 at 7:16 am

    @Sebastian: I hear you, but even if he’s a ‘smart trumpov’ (weird writing those words in the same sentence), there’s probably a limited appeal to this kind of disgusting nonsense.

     

    On Monday, Carlson went after Duckworth for an interview with CNN’s Dana Bash over the weekend, when the senator suggested a “national dialogue” over whether monuments honoring George Washington should be removed because he owned slaves.

    “When Duckworth does speak in public, you’re reminded what a deeply silly and unimpressive person she is,” Carlson said before playing the clip.  The Fox News host then suggested that he is loath to question anyone’s patriotism, saying, “It’s a very strong charge, and we try not ever to make it.”

    “But in the face of all of this, the conclusion can’t be avoided. These people actually hate America,” Carlson said. “There’s no longer a question about that.”  Later in the segment, Carlson argued that “the leaders of today’s Democratic Party … despise this country.”

    So this is what it looks like to follow “no bottom” trumpov all the way down the infinite spiral of depravity, I guess?  Tammy Duckworth hates America – who knew?

    I guess the GOP better break out their stash of purple heart band-aids again, the fuckers.

  15. 15.

    Baud

    July 7, 2020 at 7:16 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

  16. 16.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 7, 2020 at 7:16 am

    @debbie: Cancel culture is calling idiots out on their absolute inane idiocy without being nice about it, otherwise known as, “free speech.”

    Like a bunch of graduating students from State U saying they don’t want to hear Condi Rice rhapsodize about peace in the Middle East during their commencement. They “canceled” her.

  17. 17.

    Sebastian

    July 7, 2020 at 7:17 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I didn’t think about that. On the other hand so was Trump and what good did it do us. The press is going to protect him as one of theirs.

  18. 18.

    debbie

    July 7, 2020 at 7:20 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Ah, so a variation of politically correct.

  19. 19.

    Jeffro

    July 7, 2020 at 7:20 am

    @debbie: it depends on who you ask about the meaning of ‘cancel culture’.

    To normal people, it’s when a star or corporation or someone in a position of power says or does something so egregiously racist, sexist, or otherwise so completely unacceptable that they lose their sponsor(s), get boycotted, or lose their job.

    To trumpublicans, it’s a dog-whistle phrase with echoes of ‘being replaced’, and all that entails.

  20. 20.

    Baud

    July 7, 2020 at 7:20 am

    @debbie: I think it’s about not respecting people who don’t deserve respect but think that they do.

  21. 21.

    debbie

    July 7, 2020 at 7:20 am

    @raven:

    I’ve been doing that with groups. It does make a difference.

  22. 22.

    Baud

    July 7, 2020 at 7:21 am

    @debbie: It’s the next step above politically correct.  It involves actually taking steps to not listen to what they have to say.

    ETA:  At the end of the day, it’s about holding people socially accountable for their words and actions.

  23. 23.

    debbie

    July 7, 2020 at 7:24 am

    @Baud:

    Okay, that really helps. Thanks.

    Now, what are we calling these women who run up and breathe on mask wearers?

  24. 24.

    Baud

    July 7, 2020 at 7:25 am

    @debbie: Assholes?

  25. 25.

    zhena gogolia

    July 7, 2020 at 7:26 am

    @MomSense:

    Don’t forget internet trolls. They helped.

  26. 26.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 7, 2020 at 7:28 am

    @Sebastian: rump was… a freak event. I’ve said it before but it was the equivalent of winning a bet on an inside straight while playing rou*e##e. WI MI and PA by 72,000 total? With Hillary hate? And Russian help? And Comey’s bomb?

    It just went to show that no one should ever take anything for granted, that gauno happens and when it does we are all too likely to fall face first into it.

  27. 27.

    Baud

    July 7, 2020 at 7:28 am

    Cancel culture = the pie filters without the cute pictures.

  28. 28.

    zhena gogolia

    July 7, 2020 at 7:30 am

    This latest ICE thing has me so depressed.

    Okay, do nothing about the coronavirus. You probably are incapable of doing anything anyway. But then step away from the people who are actually trying to keep higher education going in this country — JUST STOP FUCKING WITH US.

    I hate them, I hate them all so much.

  29. 29.

    Baud

    July 7, 2020 at 7:31 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I remember when we were all supposed to be afraid of Scott Walker.  I wish we’d stop trying to predict the distant future.  We’re really bad at it.

  30. 30.

    zhena gogolia

    July 7, 2020 at 7:31 am

    Tucker Carlson isn’t going to run for president. I’ll make that prediction.

    He lost Dancing with the Stars in one try.

  31. 31.

    Baud

    July 7, 2020 at 7:33 am

    @zhena gogolia:

    As bad as things are, I’m enjoying the silence of the “no difference between the parties” crowd, and I’m not looking forward to their return once Biden wins.

  32. 32.

    Amir Khalid

    July 7, 2020 at 7:34 am

    Today’s message to Trump from The Lincoln Project. I don’t normally approve of encouraging someone’s paranoia, but Trump is an exceptional case.

  33. 33.

    debbie

    July 7, 2020 at 7:34 am

    @Baud:

    That’ll work!

  34. 34.

    debbie

    July 7, 2020 at 7:36 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    Interesting that there wasn’t a black bar over DeVos’s eyes like there were for the others.

  35. 35.

    trnc

    July 7, 2020 at 7:39 am

    @debbie: I guess I don’t really understand what cancel culture is, but I don’t see Trump employing public shaming, only demonizing.

    It’s like cancelling payment on a check for work performed or services rendered. Oh, wait, that’s what he does.

    It’s actually a way of saying “You’re dead to me.” As with all things social media, sometimes it gets amplified and people lose their jobs or celebrity gigs, which may or may not be an overreaction. DT is trying to claim confederate monuments and his own prez gig are in danger from social media mobs rather than things that never should have happened in the first place.

  36. 36.

    Baud

    July 7, 2020 at 7:41 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    LOL.  That’s doesn’t even help Biden one bit.  They just made that one for the shits and giggles.

  37. 37.

    Ladyraxterinok

    July 7, 2020 at 7:44 am

    @Sebastian:

    Kanye, Tucker look at Trump and think ‘Even I can do better than THAT!’

  38. 38.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 7, 2020 at 7:45 am

    Beach Lives Matter

    Sometimes… I mean really? C’mon white people, you’re f’n embarrassing me.

  39. 39.

    JPL

    July 7, 2020 at 7:45 am

    @Amir Khalid: Imagine being in the room when trump views this one.

  40. 40.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 7, 2020 at 7:48 am

    @Baud: It’ll drive trump bonkers, he’s probably hiding in the bunker right now. “They’re all out to get me….”

  41. 41.

    hueyplong

    July 7, 2020 at 7:49 am

    Now that Trump has decided to use the term over and over again, the correct answer is that “cancel culture” no longer has any meaning other than as a vague epithet to be tossed at the libs.

    Repeat, ingrain.  “Libs bad, use cancel culture, Trump good.”. Those with the stomach for it can watch implementation on FoxNews.

    It’s Everything Trump Touches Dies, English language corollary.

  42. 42.

    Baud

    July 7, 2020 at 7:50 am

    Readership capture.

    Republicans in danger of losing huge portion of their women senators

  43. 43.

    Ladyraxterinok

    July 7, 2020 at 7:50 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Cy Vance, Manhatten DA—any relation to Philo Vance?!?

  44. 44.

    zhena gogolia

    July 7, 2020 at 7:53 am

    @Baud:

    Oh, I was thinking of the Russian trolls, but you’re right.

  45. 45.

    Baud

    July 7, 2020 at 7:54 am

    Stupid NYT op/Ed

    This Is the Real John Roberts

    NYT > Top Stories / by Jonathan H. Adler / 1h


    He is a judicial minimalist who seeks to avoid sweeping decisions with disruptive effects

    Roberts has authored or signed on to many sweeping, disruptive decisions.  The fact that he is the best of the conservative five doesn’t change that.

  46. 46.

    Matt McIrvin

    July 7, 2020 at 7:54 am

    @Ladyraxterinok: Son of Cyrus Vance, Jimmy Carter’s secretary of state.

  47. 47.

    zhena gogolia

    July 7, 2020 at 7:55 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    Oh, that is a beauty.

    Upon reflection, I decided their Russian-language ad was unfair to the Russian people as a whole. But this one I love!

  48. 48.

    Baud

    July 7, 2020 at 7:55 am

    @zhena gogolia:

    I’m not sure how much of a distinction that is these days.

  49. 49.

    Amir Khalid

    July 7, 2020 at 7:56 am

    @Baud:

    Which we can all agree is an excellent reason to make it.

  50. 50.

    zhena gogolia

    July 7, 2020 at 7:56 am

    @Baud:

    True.

  51. 51.

    narya

    July 7, 2020 at 7:58 am

    Kitchen update! Here with your daily (pleasant) distraction. The floor is absofkinglutely fabulous. Seriously, it is gorgeous. They’re coming back today to put more coating on it, and then I think the cabinets start. They replaced a couple of bad boards that would mostly have lived under cabinets/the sink, which shows the thorough approach they take. Turns out that the dark stain on the (maple) wood was actually the original finish, according to Downstairs Neighbor. The rest of the floors in the place are oak, and my contractor tells me that all buildings of this age did that–oak floors, maple kitchen.

  52. 52.

    Betty Cracker

    July 7, 2020 at 7:59 am

    @Amir Khalid: You’re right: this is an “audience of one” effort like the earlier vid highlighting Parscale’s conspicuous consumption. It seems so juvenile and ham-handed, but then, so is the POTUS.

  53. 53.

    Baud

    July 7, 2020 at 8:00 am

    Trump turns clock back 155 years with Confederacy-inspired election strategy

     

    Analysis by Stephen Collinson, CNN

     

    Updated 5:27 AM ET, Tue July 7, 2020

     

    Washington (CNN)One-fifth of the way through the 21st century, Donald Trump is seemingly running to be the last President of the Confederacy.

     

     

  54. 54.

    Baud

    July 7, 2020 at 8:01 am

    Readership capture.

    Trump could sink the House GOP in suburbia

  55. 55.

    Mai naem mobile

    July 7, 2020 at 8:07 am

    Tucker Carlson looks likes the mean rich white kid who harassed Molly Ringwald  in every 80s/90s John Hughes movie. And he’s got a name to match. I am not worried about Tucker ever being POTUS.

  56. 56.

    cmorenc

    July 7, 2020 at 8:08 am

    @Jeffro:

    On Monday, Carlson went after Duckworth for an interview with CNN’s Dana Bash over the weekend, when the senator suggested a “national dialogue” over whether monuments honoring George Washington should be removed because he owned slaves.

    Actually, Duckworth did come across as ducking rather than giving any sort of meaningful answer to Bash’s question.  “National dialogue” may well be an abbreviated way of saying  “people need to talk and work it out to find an acceptable middle ground”, but it nevertheless comes across as a milquetoast non-answer, as if you’re totally afraid of any people you might piss off if you explicitly say any statue of any figure with any impure aspect of their background  should maybe be kept rather than discarded.

    Not that this entitles Tucker Carlson to make an ass-hole out of himself in the way he tried to weaponize this answer against a wounded war veteran.

  57. 57.

    rikyrah

    July 7, 2020 at 8:09 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    No sympathy.

    If she had her way, Christian Cooper could have wound up as a HASHTAG ?

  58. 58.

    rikyrah

    July 7, 2020 at 8:10 am

    @Baud:

    We could be so lucky.

  59. 59.

    Geminid

    July 7, 2020 at 8:10 am

    @Baud: the DCCC is investing in 6 suburban Texas seats, hoping to build on the success of Representatives Libby Fletcher and Colin Allred in 2018. Rachel Bitecofer says there are 3 more good prospects.

  60. 60.

    Baud

    July 7, 2020 at 8:12 am

    I guess the July 4 weekend saw an increase in violent crime so that’s going to be the latest right wing outrage.

  61. 61.

    Mai naem mobile

    July 7, 2020 at 8:13 am

    @Amir Khalid: I wonder if the Lincoln Project has a clinical psychologist or psychiatrist on staff advising them on how to wind up Donny.

  62. 62.

    rikyrah

    July 7, 2020 at 8:14 am

    Couldn’t sleep this morning, so I was reading Cole’s post. Someone replied there that the muthaphucka ? in Florida went to THE VILLAGES and said that the state was ok? Did I read that right?

     

    Don’t they know that the only thing keeping them alive is their self-isolation at The Villages?

     

    Please tell me that they aren’t stupid enough to listen to that dumbshyt of a Governor ??

  63. 63.

    rikyrah

    July 7, 2020 at 8:15 am

    @narya:

    Please send pictures to a FrontPager so that we can see the finished product ??

  64. 64.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 7, 2020 at 8:16 am

    @rikyrah: Cancelled!

  65. 65.

    Matt McIrvin

    July 7, 2020 at 8:16 am

    @Baud: I saw an article somewhere about the effect of the lockdown on crime–murder is up but all other violent crimes are down. I guess it shouldn’t be a surprise.

  66. 66.

    JAFD

    July 7, 2020 at 8:17 am

    Today be final day for voting in New Jersey primary.  Some physical locations, including one where I once worked Election Days, for provisional ballots, and audio voting for visually challenged, but most of us voting by mail.

    Thinking of my late mother, a ‘crawl over broken glass’ Biden stan, from when ‘stan’ was still diminutive for Stanislaus, as I filled out ballot.

    Today is Mahler’s 160th birthday, WQXR.org has program about his First Symphony at 9 EDT tonight.

    Hope all you jackals are staying healthy, happy and hydrated.

  67. 67.

    rikyrah

    July 7, 2020 at 8:19 am

    ? @harrisonjaime hauls in nearly $14 million this quarter almost doubling last quarter’s figure, breaking his own record. #SCSen #SCpol Read more ⬇️ https://t.co/PQ7tDEl5Fk— guy-lee (@ByGuyKing) July 7, 2020

  68. 68.

    Ladyraxterinok

    July 7, 2020 at 8:20 am

    @Matt McIrvin:

    That’s interesting. Thanks for info.

    I was making a weak attempt at a joke. Philo Vance is the upper-class detective in the S S van Dine mystery series written in the 20sxand 30s. They were very popular. Several movies were made of them, some of which are available free on youtube

  69. 69.

    Amir Khalid

    July 7, 2020 at 8:22 am

    @Mai naem mobile: 
    It would be lovely beyond words if that psychologist were Mary Trump.

  70. 70.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    July 7, 2020 at 8:25 am

    @Amir Khalid: Is it wrong that I laughed at that ad? The Lincoln Project goes after Trump in a way Democrats can’t. It’s just not in our DNA. It’s certainly not in Biden’s. So I’m willing to take them as allies as long as they stay out of our way.

    ETA: Or what Baud said at #36

  71. 71.

    WereBear

    July 7, 2020 at 8:26 am

    @Baud: No damn loss.

  72. 72.

    zhena gogolia

    July 7, 2020 at 8:34 am

    @narya:

    Sounds great. My house is a disaster area.

  73. 73.

    MomSense

    July 7, 2020 at 8:35 am

    @JAFD:

    I fucking love Mahler.  I hope I can stream that program.  I miss going to the symphony concerts so much.  I realize it’s a first world problem and way down at the bottom on the list of things to mourn, but I am mourning the loss of arts and music.

  74. 74.

    Tdjr

    July 7, 2020 at 8:36 am

    @rikyrah: I want to see before and after pics.

  75. 75.

    JPL

    July 7, 2020 at 8:36 am

    @Mai naem mobile: He is a mean rich kid.

  76. 76.

    Anne Laurie

    July 7, 2020 at 8:38 am

    @MomSense: After the trillions we have spent on war, we are undone by respiratory droplets. Tanks, missiles, bombs, submarines, destroyers, aircraft carriers and all sorts of weapons and none of them stop respiratory droplets.

    Remember how War of the Worlds ended?

    If there is an afterlife, Wells is looking into a copyright suit.

  77. 77.

    Anya

    July 7, 2020 at 8:39 am

    @debbie: cancel culture is whenever someone awful faces the consequences of their actions.

    People yell about cancel culture every time something awful comes to light about someone and the people who gave that person the approval and credibility take it away. But really, none of these people suffer a lasting damage.

  78. 78.

    narya

    July 7, 2020 at 8:44 am

    @rikyrah: I will! I keep trying to tamp down my excitement, because I’ve seen too many HGTV shows.

  79. 79.

    Anya

    July 7, 2020 at 8:46 am

    I don’t know about you but I think I have a lasting PTSD from the 2016 loss so every time I read something about a “landslide win” or the possibility of winning the senate, I panic. This is why I don’t largely mind when Rose Twitter and allies still talk about how Biden is not viable as a candidate unless he chooses a ‘progressive’ VP. It means, folks won’t gamble with their votes because they think Biden has this in the bag.

     

    Ugh! I know I am not making much sense but honestly I get petrified whenever I hear/read speculation of a big Biden win.

    At least this time we have the PA, WI and NC governorships.

  80. 80.

    Gin & Tonic

    July 7, 2020 at 8:47 am

    @narya: We put in a new maple floor when we remodeled the kitchen ~10 years ago. The rest of the floors in the house are oak.

  81. 81.

    SFAW

    July 7, 2020 at 8:48 am

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Son of Cyrus Vance, Jimmy Carter’s secretary of state.

    And wasn’t Junior the one who decided against prosecuting (or at least looking into?) either the Trump Foundation, or the Murderer-in-Chief, or perhaps the kids?

  82. 82.

    MattF

    July 7, 2020 at 8:48 am

    OT. Finished and filed my taxes. Federal filing accepted, according to Turbotax. First two quarters of estimated taxes aren’t due until July 15 (so sayeth the Google), so everything is dandy, thus far.

  83. 83.

    rikyrah

    July 7, 2020 at 8:50 am

    @zhena gogolia:

    They are phucking Demons ?

  84. 84.

    SFAW

    July 7, 2020 at 8:51 am

    @Ladyraxterinok:

    I was making a weak attempt at a joke.

    No, you were fine. It’s just that the yoots these days don’t appreciate stuff the way they should. Maybe they would, if they got offa my lawn! [Which is my longish way of saying I got it, and I’m sure a number of the other old farts here got it.]

  85. 85.

    Anya

    July 7, 2020 at 8:51 am

    @Amir Khalid: It was literally made just for him. We know Trump is paranoid but is he this gullible? The trolling is not even subtle.

  86. 86.

    Geminid

    July 7, 2020 at 8:51 am

    @Anya: Plus Gretchen Whitmer in Michigan.

  87. 87.

    rikyrah

    July 7, 2020 at 8:52 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Not that we can’t.

    Just that the TONE and CIVILITY police would show up if a Democrat did those ads

  88. 88.

    MomSense

    July 7, 2020 at 8:52 am

    @rikyrah:

    He is such a dumbshit I was convinced he went to Liberty U or some BS but noooo – Yale undergrad and Harvard fucking Law School.
    WTACTUALF

  89. 89.

    SFAW

    July 7, 2020 at 8:54 am

    @Mai naem mobile:

    I wonder if the Lincoln Project has a clinical psychologist or psychiatrist on staff advising them on how to wind up Donny.

    They might, but it might be a waste of their money. The Narcissist-in-Chief is a pretty easy “read.”

  90. 90.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 7, 2020 at 8:54 am

    @Anya: Subtlety is wasted on trump.

  91. 91.

    SFAW

    July 7, 2020 at 8:54 am

    @Anya:

    The trolling is not even subtle.

    He wouldn’t “get” subtle.

  92. 92.

    Danielx

    July 7, 2020 at 8:56 am

    @Mai naem mobile:

    No need – anybody who has ever raised children could do it.

  93. 93.

    MattF

    July 7, 2020 at 8:56 am

    @rikyrah: It’s occurred to me that the Lincoln Project is making a play for liberal support with its ads. Which is fine with me– just noting that they don’t actually have a natural constituency besides us libtards.

  94. 94.

    PST

    July 7, 2020 at 8:57 am

    That Tucker Carlson remark about Senator Duckworth hating America is baffling. It is so obviously disgusting and has such an obvious rejoinder that it seems hard to believe that he isn’t deliberately inviting outrage. Am I becoming a conspiracy nut? If it was Donnie who had said it, there would be no need to imagine a motive. It would be a typical reflection of his character. But with the cannier and more disciplined Carlson, could it be an attempt to influence the veep choice, and if so, which way? Or has he decided that the lesson of Trump is that being a pig is the best way to impress the audience (or voters?) he wants? It is a puzzlement.

  95. 95.

    MattF

    July 7, 2020 at 8:59 am

    @PST: Don’t know, but I’d assume it’s at least partly a pitch to his particular audience.

  96. 96.

    SFAW

    July 7, 2020 at 8:59 am

    @MattF:

    Which is fine with me– just noting that they don’t actually have a natural constituency besides us libtards.

    Not including driftglass/Mr Electrico, of course. Actually, I would think (well, hope, I guess) that most libtards who know the players in the Lincoln Project would not be their constituency.

  97. 97.

    Drdavechemist

    July 7, 2020 at 9:00 am

    @Gin & Tonic: We also went with maple floors to replace some cheap parquet during our recent kitchen remodel.
    In a couple of other rooms in our 1920s era house, the floors have a two foot wide oak border and then pine in the center where it could be covered with a rectangular rug. Anybody know if that was a common thing?

  98. 98.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 7, 2020 at 9:02 am

    @Drdavechemist: Anybody know if that was a common thing?

    Yes it was.

  99. 99.

    OzarkHillbilly

    July 7, 2020 at 9:04 am

    Duckworth Invites Tucker Carlson To ‘Walk A Mile In My Legs’ After He Accuses Her Of Hating America

    I got nothing to add.

  100. 100.

    narya

    July 7, 2020 at 9:05 am

    @Gin & Tonic: Why did you go with that?

  101. 101.

    MattF

    July 7, 2020 at 9:08 am

    @SFAW: Yeah, the imp on my shoulder giggles and says ‘Hey, WTF’ whenever I agree with Bill Kristol.

  102. 102.

    bemused

    July 7, 2020 at 9:11 am

    I watched Rachel Maddow segments, one with Jacob Soboroff, book Separation, about immigrant children separated from parents. Soboroff is one amazing reporter. Stomach churning. Neither mentioned Katie Miller is married to Stephen Miller or that the lovely couple is expecting a baby. They and the whole administration past and present are monsters. They aren’t even human.

  103. 103.

    Kay

    July 7, 2020 at 9:16 am

    @PST:

    Really? Liberals hate America is standard on the Right. They’ve never worried about whether the liberal is a veteran or not. They haven’t been able to lay a glove on Biden so they’re going with liberals hate America. Probably the only difference is liberals are less defensive about it than they were over the last 5 decades conservatives have been using it.

    Duckworth should have known all political media would talk about were the statues after Trump announced we’d all be talking about the statues. She has an opinion on the statues. She should just say it. There’s wide variation in the D Party on the statues. If she’s closer to Biden on them it’s fine. We’re all over the place on the statues.

  104. 104.

    Another Scott

    July 7, 2020 at 9:23 am

    @PST: He’s trying to weaken her in case Biden picks her for his VP.

    Attacking disabled veterans who dare speak up is what they do.  It’s Max Cleland redux, and totally predictable.  They only have one play-book and they have used it for 40+ years.  I’m sure she expected it.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  105. 105.

    Anya

    July 7, 2020 at 9:25 am

    So Trump admin is making noise about banning Chinese social media apps, including TikTok.

    “I don’t want to get out in front of the President, but it’s something we’re looking at,” Pompeo said.

    translation: TikTok Teens bragged about spamming the tickets for Trump’s Tulsa rally so he demanded retaliation.

    I don’t actually mind if they were doing it to support the people of Hong Kong or Chinese government holding Uighurs in Chinese government-run concentration camps but this is all about Trump’s ego .

  106. 106.

    scuffletuffle

    July 7, 2020 at 9:26 am

    @narya: Pics or it didn’t happen.  Actually, this would make a great daily read, pics of the progress being made so we can all ooh and ahh and be very, very jealous…

  107. 107.

    Amir Khalid

    July 7, 2020 at 9:27 am

    @PST:

    On the face of it, that accusation against an Army Lieutenant-Colonel and wounded combat veteran doesn’t make sense, but then again it was pitched to an audience primed to despise all Drmocrats and that wouldn’t pause to take Duckworth’s history into account.

  108. 108.

    Amir Khalid

    July 7, 2020 at 9:28 am

    @Anya:

    Trump has a personal stake in banning TikTok: it is Sarah Cooper’s main platform.

  109. 109.

    StringOnAStick

    July 7, 2020 at 9:33 am

    I’ve been refusing to look at Facebook for about a year now but my less obsessively political husband looks to see what friends are doing.  Yesterday he came across the July 4 party photos of the massage therapist we used to go to pre-Covid.  The guy is the only winger we know (definitely he’s not typical for that career) and is mostly a nice guy but seeing him partying with 20 fellow unmasked RW family members means we are never, ever going back to seeing him for massage or anything else.  Done; that makes it easy.

  110. 110.

    Anya

    July 7, 2020 at 9:36 am

    @Amir Khalid: Oh. I did not even think about that.

  111. 111.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 7, 2020 at 9:37 am

    @Amir Khalid: Also, members of Sen. Duckworth’s family served under Gen. Washington.

  112. 112.

    Tenar Arha

    July 7, 2020 at 9:37 am

    @Amir Khalid: True. But she very smartly always makes sure to re-post & tweet the links to her stuff on multiple platforms. I very much admire that about her.

    ETA For real, it makes me ?? inside each time I see it.

  113. 113.

    Gin & Tonic

    July 7, 2020 at 9:40 am

    @narya: Maple is the hardest commonly-available wood for flooring, and it’s a lot lighter in color than the oak. Since we went with essentially white cabinets, and the kitchen has a north-facing window, we wanted to keep everything as light as possible.

  114. 114.

    Brachiator

    July 7, 2020 at 9:43 am

    @PST:

    That Tucker Carlson remark about Senator Duckworth hating America is baffling.

    A president who let’s people die of a virus hates America.

    A Fox News pundit who does not condemn this president hates America.

  115. 115.

    terry chay

    July 7, 2020 at 9:50 am

    @Baud: The interesting thing about that is McConnell’s push for GOP women Senators. If you read between the lines it is because this is how he exerts control over their votes (e.g. Kavanaugh).

    I wonder though the karma of this. I wouldn’t be surprised if not only they lose 4 of these seats in 2020 (GOP electorate has an antipathy to women and women have an antipathy to Trump), but it reeks of a hidden assumption: that McConnell will cruise to victory in his own seat. The bloc might fall completely apart without all this bullshit that he is some political master (well, that and he’d probably be arrested for his actions in 2016j.

  116. 116.

    Belafon

    July 7, 2020 at 9:55 am

    @Sebastian: What I am really worried about is Tucker Carlson. That asshole is going to run for president and he will be like Trump except not a complete moron.

     

    Tucker is a moron who can’t even claim he’s run a business. He’s going nowhere.

  117. 117.

    rikyrah

    July 7, 2020 at 9:58 am

    @Kay: 

    Really? Liberals hate America is standard on the Right. They’ve never worried about whether the liberal is a veteran or not. They haven’t been able to lay a glove on Biden so they’re going with liberals hate America. Probably the only difference is liberals are less defensive about it than they were over the last 5 decades conservatives have been using it

    When your side’s President is someone installed by a hostile foreign power, and who says nothing when BOUNTIES ARE PLACED ON THE HEADS OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS.

    I wish a muthaphucka would step to me to try and deride my patriotism.

  118. 118.

    topclimber

    July 7, 2020 at 10:08 am

    @MomSense: Well, HON , if we only lose a million or so per decade to pandemics, that is possibly a better choice than a conventional war every time the Gulf flames on. Worth gaming out, don’t you think? Instead of losing mostly healthy grunts we lose no doubt marginally healthy victims. /s(tatiscally-speaking).

  119. 119.

    evodevo

    July 7, 2020 at 10:09 am

    @Amir Khalid:  They had no problem smearing John Kerry in 2004…and he was an actual war hero with medals to prove it…they’re rabid dogs who will go after anybody..

  120. 120.

    narya

    July 7, 2020 at 10:15 am

    @scuffletuffle: I’ve actually been taking a picture each ay, and I’d be happy to share. Is embedding it in a comment the way to go? Or?

  121. 121.

    catclub

    July 7, 2020 at 10:18 am

    @zhena gogolia: Tucker Carlson isn’t going to run for president. I’ll make that prediction.

     

    probably right. Sean Hannity is a lot dumber. HE will run.

  122. 122.

    catclub

    July 7, 2020 at 10:22 am

    @Belafon: Tucker is a moron who can’t even claim he’s run a business. He’s going nowhere.

     

    I think you underestimate how useful it is to be on TV a lot.  That was apparently a key asset of Trump – pretending to be a business tycoon on TV. Also, Tucker is rich. Rich people (Jon Huntsman, Mike Bloomberg. …get the TV interviews just because they are rich.. and white)

  123. 123.

    frosty

    July 7, 2020 at 10:33 am

    @narya: Beautiful! Having renovated* three kitchens, I’m loving your reports.

    * First one I did everything but the floor (demolition, hanging cabinets, plumbing, electricity, countertop, paint, etc.), second I only did the demo and the floor, third I wrote checks for all of it.

  124. 124.

    Tenar Arha

    July 7, 2020 at 10:34 am

    @narya: I think email a front pager with your stuff or any questions, bc only they can embed stuff rather than linking. Though it’s technically not topical for the daily travel photo posts, maybe WaterGirl, who was involved in the site redesign probably has suggestions on how you could link to photos. Also, Anne Laurie or Betty Cracker might post your  comments with a few photos as part of the daily respite series, maybe? ( I’d enjoy that ;)

  125. 125.

    Another Scott

    July 7, 2020 at 11:11 am

    @catclub: Speaking of Huntsman, he lost his GOP primary.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/504873-cox-wins-gop-primary-to-replace-utah-gov-gary-herbert

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  126. 126.

    debbie

    July 7, 2020 at 11:17 am

    @Another Scott:

    As you are wont to say, Grrrr.

  127. 127.

    Taken4Granite

    July 7, 2020 at 11:35 am

    @Drdavechemist: My boss owns such a house. The theory was that, at the time, anybody wealthy enough to own such a house would be wealthy enough to be able to buy an area rug to cover that space in the middle, so why spend the extra money on a section of good quality wood flooring that nobody would ever see?

    One thing I don’t get is why so many people want to put wood floors in kitchens and bathrooms. My house (built 1963) has wood floors everywhere but the kitchen and bathrooms. There’s a reason for that.

  128. 128.

    JustRuss

    July 7, 2020 at 11:38 am

    @Mai naem mobile:  Tucker Carlson looks likes the mean rich white kid who harassed Molly Ringwald  in every 80s/90s John Hughes movie…. I am not worried about Tucker ever being POTUS.

    Um, have you ever heard of Donald Trump?

  129. 129.

    Gin & Tonic

    July 7, 2020 at 11:40 am

    @Taken4Granite: I like to be barefoot in my house. Wood feels nicer than tile.

  130. 130.

    JAFD

    July 7, 2020 at 12:14 pm

    @MomSense: I would think they’d mention if it was ‘broadcast but not streamed’, checked at

    https://www.wqxr.org/story/tuesday-air-embrace-everything/

    nothing unusual there.  But what do I know ???

    BTW, livestream is a couple of seconds behind broadcast, having radio playing on one side of room, computer on other, not stereo effect, just sounds weird…

    Hope you like it !

  131. 131.

    dopey-o

    July 7, 2020 at 12:16 pm

    @Brachiator:

    A president who let’s people die of a virus hates America.

    A Fox News pundit who does not condemn this president hates America.

    I’ve been saying it for years: the MAGAts hate America. The America that welcomes immigrants, the America that wants equal justice, the America that gives women autonomy, the America that wants healthcare for black and brown and yellow and white.

    They hate America. They are trying to destroy the America we are building. They might as well be marching in the streets chanting “Death to America!” Might happen in my lifetime .

    by their fruits ye shall know them.

  132. 132.

    J R in WV

    July 7, 2020 at 12:38 pm

    @Jeffro:

    Tucker Carlson gets to impugn Senator Duckworth’s patriotism AFTER HE AMPUTATES HIS OWN FEET!!! and not a moment sooner.

    What a despicable piece of offal~!~

    She remained in the NG after being shot down and nearly killed!!

    Despite her grievous injuries, she sought and obtained a medical waiver that allowed her to continue serving as a lieutenant colonel in the Illinois Army National Guard along with her husband…

  133. 133.

    J R in WV

    July 7, 2020 at 1:25 pm

    @narya:

    Either email Watergirl at balloon-juice.com, OR use the “submit a photo set” link on any of the On The Road posts.

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