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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / Late Night Open Thread: Tucker Carlson, Fisher of Trout

Late Night Open Thread: Tucker Carlson, Fisher of Trout

by Anne Laurie|  July 13, 202011:56 pm| 68 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Open Threads, Post-racial America, Republicans in Disarray!, #notintendedtobeafactualstatement, All Too Normal, Assholes

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I know I can’t throw the first stone on appearance, but he looks like his 14 words are the Big Mac jingle pic.twitter.com/e5KhU1a0Q1

— SellOffPuertoRicoHat (@Popehat) July 11, 2020

Some of you may have seen that Tucker Carlson’s head writer got busted last week for posting approximately the same stuff he writes for Tucker Carlson (and also the Daily Caller), but without the all-important reputation-protective asterisks.

I genuinely, unironically, do not understand why the red line is posting racist things online under a pseudonym and not turning in equally explicit racist things as work product for the country's big cable new show https://t.co/gA6XIOhs8f

— Climate Doomer (@MenshevikM) July 11, 2020

shocked to learn that an 8chan poster was at least at one point employed https://t.co/tvyEKG21S4

— The Online-Normie Complex (@canderaid) July 12, 2020

Since Faux News advertisers have been abandoning Carlson’s show in droves, the immediate outcome was predictable:

Tucker Carlson responds to his head writer being a white supremacist ghoul by threatening the people who exposed him pic.twitter.com/FBb02PmpUn

— Andrew Lawrence (@ndrew_lawrence) July 14, 2020

“Shock twist!”

ah the patented bill o’reilly unplanned summer absence fox news special https://t.co/buM019U79n

— kilgore trout, suburban female understander (@KT_So_It_Goes) July 14, 2020

they found tucker’s side accounts didn’t they

— kilgore trout, suburban female understander (@KT_So_It_Goes) July 14, 2020

If Tucker Carlson’s “how dare you judge this young man” sounds familiar, it’s because it’s an old far-right-media trope they trot out whenever one of their podlings gets caught being super racist. See, e.g., Marcus Epstein. https://t.co/i8VBFFM3W3

— SellOffPuertoRicoHat (@Popehat) July 14, 2020

Keep in mind that the Daily Caller has an outsized influence even among those who don't read it because Facebook uses them for factchecking. https://t.co/cJw67wq4Ki

— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) July 10, 2020

The major distinction between what is written in those forums and what Carlson says every night is … vulgarity. For many on the right, as long as they avoid saying the naughty magic words it doesn’t count. And even then… https://t.co/dKfwqe5Z6Q

— Adam Serwer? (@AdamSerwer) July 11, 2020

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  1. 1.

    rikyrah

    July 14, 2020 at 12:06 am

    That racist Muthaphucka ??

  2. 2.

    NotMax

    July 14, 2020 at 12:06 am

    “The only thing he wrote for the show was jotting down our coffee orders.”

    //

  3. 3.

    rikyrah

    July 14, 2020 at 12:08 am

    The curve for Unqualified White Men is. REAL.

    R.E.A.L?

  4. 4.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 14, 2020 at 12:10 am

    Donald’s niece’s book is in my Kindle, and I am off to read!

  5. 5.

    Villago Delenda Est

    July 14, 2020 at 12:13 am

    As I noted over at Wonkette, this guy just screams “incel”.

  6. 6.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 14, 2020 at 12:16 am

    When I see these two pictures:

    Late Night Open Thread:  Tucker Carlson, Fisher of Trout Late Night Open Thread:  Tucker Carlson, Fisher of Trout 1

    I think of this:

    Late Night Open Thread:  Tucker Carlson, Fisher of Trout 2

  7. 7.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 14, 2020 at 12:20 am

    Since Faux News advertisers have been abandoning Carlson’s show in droves, the immediate outcome was predictable

    Actually this is not an accurate assessment. Fox News makes its money off of the carriage fees it charges the cable and satellite providers. They are significantly higher than those charged by their competitors. As a result they are largely immune to to advertiser defections via boycotts.

  8. 8.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 14, 2020 at 12:22 am

    @Villago Delenda Est: Apparently he is a self identified incel and posted on some of those boards as well.

  9. 9.

    NotMax

    July 14, 2020 at 12:23 am

    Too lazy at the moment to put together a build-up, just gonna drop the link, for grins.

  10. 10.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 14, 2020 at 12:24 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: What time zone does your Kindle think it’s in?

  11. 11.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 14, 2020 at 12:28 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: I will probably make a spite-purchase, let us know if it’s worth opening.

    Though she’s getting good reviews. in that piece Matt F linked to earlier, I think she used the phrase “crisp and witty writer.”.

  12. 12.

    Emma

    July 14, 2020 at 12:30 am

    Grant Imahara (Mythbusters, whatever he was doing on Netflix) has died of a brain aneurysm at age 49 ;_;  I liked all the Mythbusters, but Grant was my favorite (obvious AAPI bias, but still).

  13. 13.

    Sebastian

    July 14, 2020 at 12:33 am

    I mean you gotta give it to them, they are amazingly good at creating BJ Lexicon entries.

    Trout fishing is an instant classic.

  14. 14.

    MisterForkbeard

    July 14, 2020 at 12:34 am

    @Adam L Silverman: I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise.

  15. 15.

    Anne Laurie

    July 14, 2020 at 12:39 am

    @Adam L Silverman: Oh, c’mon — Neff & Carlson both have perfectly fine chins!

    And they’re growing backups further down their necks, to be safe…

  16. 16.

    NotMax

    July 14, 2020 at 12:42 am

    Thread needs an injection of music.

    ;)

  17. 17.

    HumboldtBlue

    July 14, 2020 at 12:42 am

    What the fuck am I being punished for now?

    On a lighter note, meet Adebayo Akinfenwa. He’s a professional football player for Wycombe Wanderers and a wonderfully entertaining man.

    He’s a big man and a big personality who has helped his team move up a division in English football. He’s also a massive supporter of Liverpool and it’s noted by the Reds’ manager (Klopp).

    So have a smile.

  18. 18.

    Achrachno

    July 14, 2020 at 12:42 am

    @Adam L Silverman: To be scrupulously fair, the writer does seem to have a chin.

    Edit:   Too slow!  Anne beat be — I blame the laundry that needed moving to the dryer.

  19. 19.

    Jay

    July 14, 2020 at 12:45 am

    He’s still with us, still fighting for us, still inspring generations of us. Love you John Lewis! ?? from Selma, march 2020pic.twitter.com/KYKgpK35LI— Christine Pelosi (@sfpelosi) July 11, 2020

  20. 20.

    ballerat

    July 14, 2020 at 12:47 am

    He’s a fisher of brown trout. ?

  21. 21.

    Mary G

    July 14, 2020 at 12:49 am

    Volunteer opportunity for upcoming primaries in Alabama, Michigan, Texas, and Tennessee. Jennifer Cohn writes a lot about shenanigans with voting machines and other Republican fuckery, and she has started a group called “Protect Our Votes.” They are looking for volunteers to take photos of poll tapes posted at voting sites after they close, to make sure that the totals don’t get changed somehow. By accident. Always in Republicans’ favor, oddly enough.

  22. 22.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 14, 2020 at 12:51 am

    If this is the fund I think it is– they were collecting pledges to paid once the Maine Dems had a candidate– my credit card is about to get hit for a couple hundred bucks. I was mad.

    Ady Barkan @AdyBarkan
    In 2018, after @SenatorCollins voted for Kavanaugh, Mainers raised $4 million for her future opponent. Now, they’re days away from handing that check over. Are you ready? The fight to unseat Susan Collins is about to heat up.

  23. 23.

    Mary G

    July 14, 2020 at 12:54 am

    In Houston, Texas, the local independent school district is helping teachers prepare for the coming school year by holding webinars on how to prepare a will.Just sit with that. pic.twitter.com/hanL12HkUb— Eddie Perez (@eddieperezTX) July 13, 2020

  24. 24.

    Mary G

    July 14, 2020 at 12:56 am

    My county, ladies and germs:

    Orange County votes to reopen schools without masks or increased social distancing. Why? In part, to “model courage and persistence” for kids, according to a county document. https://t.co/H6BZlCHPLr— John Myers (@johnmyers) July 14, 2020

  25. 25.

    Emma

    July 14, 2020 at 1:00 am

    @Mary G: I hope you get to vote out the superintendent, school board members, and whoever else needs to go this year.

  26. 26.

    NotMax

    July 14, 2020 at 1:02 am

    @Mary G

    Orange is as orange does.

    //

  27. 27.

    Mary G

    July 14, 2020 at 1:04 am

    @Mary G: Update: this is a bunch of conservative nutjobs who don’t have actual power, thank Dog. OC Register:

     

    On the same day that Los Angeles Unified and San Diego Unified district administrators announced their schools would start online only in the fall, the Orange County Board of Education went a different way.

    The conservative-leaning board voted Monday night on its own guidelines: for students to return to campus, without social distancing or face masks.

    The lone dissenting vote was Trustee Beckie Gomez, also the only board member to wear a mask during the meeting.

    The board has no power to direct any of Orange County’s 27 school districts to follow its guidelines, which are in direct opposition to those issued by the Orange County Department of Education, state public health officials and others.

    Three guesses what the complexion is of the members who voted in favor is. Sane people are weighing in:

    Meanwhile, thousands of people followed the meeting online. And by 8 p.m., a petition urging the board to follow California guidelines for reopening schools had more than 35,000 signatures and continued to gain momentum. The board, petitioners said, has “a moral imperative and a social duty to prioritize the safety of our schools,” including the use of mandatory masks and social distancing.

  28. 28.

    scav

    July 14, 2020 at 1:04 am

    @Mary G: No doubt they’ll be arranging their own live-fire classroom exercises to still further develop ‘courage!’ in their students.  As an added benefit, all the running will count as PE!

  29. 29.

    Mary G

    July 14, 2020 at 1:05 am

    @NotMax: Some people relate to Twitler, he’s our color!

  30. 30.

    West of the Rockies

    July 14, 2020 at 1:06 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Why the hell would any self-respecting person so identify themselves?  Kind of like touting membership in the Damn, I’m Homely Club.

  31. 31.

    Martin

    July 14, 2020 at 1:12 am

    @Adam L Silverman: Sorta.

    I understand they are getting about $1.50/mo per sub,  which is pretty decent. ESPN has been the anchor for cable at about $8. HSN is negative – they pay the carrier. Fox gets less in local ad revenue, though, relative to other networks.

    But, Fox News also gets national ads that run independently of the cable network, and that revenue is worth a lot – that’s where they’re getting hurt. You’re correct that the carriage fees guarantee a certain income, that can’t be disrupted apart from cancelling subs or boycotting  your cable provider. But those national advertisers can be gone after.

  32. 32.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 14, 2020 at 1:14 am

    @West of the Rockies: There was some sort of WaPo story on an online dating app for MAGA types and he was one of the people profiled in it.

  33. 33.

    smike

    July 14, 2020 at 1:20 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: 

    …my credit card is about to get hit for a couple hundred bucks…

    Welp, as they say in Maine, “Muy bueno, amigo. Gracias.”

  34. 34.

    West of the Rockies

    July 14, 2020 at 1:21 am

    I pray (figuratively speaking) for the public ruin and humiliation of Carlson, Hannity, Dobbs, and Ingrahm.

  35. 35.

    HumboldtBlue

    July 14, 2020 at 1:23 am

    @Mary G:

    My county, ladies and germs.

    Yankee Doodle Doctor.

  36. 36.

    NotMax

    July 14, 2020 at 1:23 am

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Ax2grindr?

    :)

  37. 37.

    patrick II

    July 14, 2020 at 1:25 am

    Will the returning school kids be riding in school buses? Do you think they can hold their breath until they get off?

  38. 38.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    July 14, 2020 at 1:28 am

    pirate mascots are racists. I mean look at pirates, they are are wild eyed, armed thugs who dress like extras from a low budget musical who go around robbing, raping or enslaving other people and think they are at risk of sailing off the edge of the earth. Clearly pirate mascots is appropriation of white culture.

  39. 39.

    Martin

    July 14, 2020 at 1:30 am

    @Mary G: So, the county cannot compel districts to reopen, so I think this only affects schools in unincorporated areas.

  40. 40.

    Martin

    July 14, 2020 at 1:34 am

    @patrick II: Our district has almost no buses, so thankfully that’s not  really a problem most  of  our districts  need to solve.

  41. 41.

    Kent

    July 14, 2020 at 1:35 am

    @Mary G: Kevin Drum is going to have a conniption fit.

  42. 42.

    Jay

    July 14, 2020 at 1:36 am

    Just a reminder: Josephine Baker, who was 11 during the KKK/cops-fueled massacre of Black people in East St. Louis, incorporated French Jews into her touring entourage in order to protect them from deportation to concentration camps. She also spied for the Resistance. pic.twitter.com/DLXErbhKhG— Sara Benincasa (@SaraJBenincasa) July 11, 2020

  43. 43.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 14, 2020 at 1:36 am

    @Martin: My understanding is that it is closer to $3 or $4 per sub.

  44. 44.

    Sm*t Cl*de

    July 14, 2020 at 1:40 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I think of this:

    That is so not fair. Of all the criticism one could level against Carlson, having too few chins is not one.

  45. 45.

    patrick II

    July 14, 2020 at 1:45 am

    @Kent:

    He’ll chart it out first.

  46. 46.

    NotMax

    July 14, 2020 at 1:45 am

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques

    Not called the Jolly Roger for naught.

    :)

  47. 47.

    NotMax

    July 14, 2020 at 1:52 am

    @Jay

    For those in Manhattan, I’d wager Chez Josephine (414 W. 42 St.), owned and run by one her adopted kids, is offering take-out.

  48. 48.

    Adam L Silverman

    July 14, 2020 at 2:01 am

    Sleepy time.

  49. 49.

    mrmoshpotato

    July 14, 2020 at 2:24 am

    Good night to be away.  When can we throw all these Trump trash bitchwaffles next to Osama?

    Time for more recipe videos.

  50. 50.

    Anne Laurie

    July 14, 2020 at 2:26 am

    @West of the Rockies: Why the hell would any self-respecting person so identify themselves? Kind of like touting membership in the Damn, I’m Homely Club.

    I knew guys like this back in the 1970s/80s, when being an sf fan was still a social demerit.  Some of them I even considered friends, though not good friends.  Thing is, they could have partners who were approximately equivalent to them on the looks level… but these guys didn’t want ‘ugly’ girls, they wanted to date the sort of women they saw in pr0n mags.  Even then, at least some of them could’ve dated ‘better looking’ women then their own personal attractiveness would warrant, *but* they’d have to have something else to offer — success (at least in fannish terms), wit, emotional support, money — which, according to them, would’ve been ‘selling out’.

    They preferred to marinate in their own self pity to the ‘work’ of changing any part of their mindset.  ‘Woe is me, I’ll never be in a relationship.  But I won’t accept just *any* relationship — I want a woman who’s at least an 8 on a scale of 1-10, and she shouldn’t be taller than me, or so short as to be risible to bystanders.  She should be obviously desirable, but not so much so that I’ll have to compete with a bunch of other guys for her attention.  Also, she better have all the correct opinions about my favorite sf authors / Star Wars movies / comix… but she shouldn’t know enough about any topic to challenge my superior expertise…’

    Hand to Murphy the Trickster God, I had some version of that conversation at way too many room parties.  (I suspect some of it was an unheard demand that I immediately fix them up with someone, when all I ever did was argue.)

    They didn’t have the internet, in those days, to provide them with an ID  and a bunch of online enablers.  Frankly, it doesn’t seem to have helped either the self-identified incels or the rest of us!

  51. 51.

    sgrAstar

    July 14, 2020 at 2:58 am

    @Villago Delenda Est: He was very recently featured in the Post’s DateLab. Irony is indisputably dead. In that writeup, he came across exactly as you’d expect. Incellus maximus.

     

    ?

  52. 52.

    NotMax

    July 14, 2020 at 3:21 am

    @Anne Laurie

    You left out must look awesome in a chain mail bikini.

    :)

  53. 53.

    Mary G

    July 14, 2020 at 3:25 am

    two people very dear to me, two antiracist activists here in charlottesville, woke up in the middle of the night last night to tiki torches burning in their yards.https://t.co/N8ApVoJCWW— molly conger (@socialistdogmom) July 14, 2020

  54. 54.

    Martin

    July 14, 2020 at 3:26 am

    @Emma: Fuck 2020.

  55. 55.

    TS (the original)

    July 14, 2020 at 3:44 am

    @Mary G:

    They are looking for volunteers to take photos of poll tapes posted at voting sites after they close, to make sure that the totals don’t get changed somehow. By accident. Always in Republicans’ favor, oddly enough.

    I’m having trouble believing this needs to be done. Your GOP democracy at work.

  56. 56.

    bjacques

    July 14, 2020 at 3:54 am

    Carlson, to be forever known as Tuckfard

  57. 57.

    Brantl

    July 14, 2020 at 3:54 am

    @Sm*t Cl*de: too few brain cells, now, that’s right on the nose!

  58. 58.

    Anya

    July 14, 2020 at 4:21 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I totally forgot about this. I was so mad I pledged $1000. Wunch Time is Over! No regrets.

  59. 59.

    Sloane Ranger

    July 14, 2020 at 4:44 am

    @Jay: She also adopted 12 children of different ethnic backgrounds and brought them up.

    Of course her fuck ups were as large as her achievements. A truly larger than life lady!

  60. 60.

    James E Powell

    July 14, 2020 at 4:49 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Here’s an article from a while back explaining just that fact. FOX makes more from the subs than anyone else.

  61. 61.

    Barney

    July 14, 2020 at 4:51 am

    Carlson: “We don’t endorse those words. They have no connection to this show. It is wrong to attack people for qualities they cannot control.”

    [“Qualities they cannot control”? He was attacking them for their skin color, gender or sexuality, not “qualities”. “Qualities” sound like he thinks others are inferior, but they were born like that, so they can’t help it. But notice Tucker is claiming it’s nothing to do with him.]

    “We will continue to defend that principle, often alone among national news programs”

    [Hah!]

    “But we should also point out, to the ghouls now beating their chests in triumph at the destruction of a young man, that self-righteousness also has its costs.”

    [What, self-righteousness like a ridiculous claim that you are the best national news program at not judging someone on what they are?]

    “When we pretend we are holy, we are lying.  When we pose as blameless in order to hurt other people, we are committing the gravest sin of all. And we will be punished for it. There’s no question.”

    [Ahh, yes, you do mean like your incredible boast from a moment ago, and your simultaneous denial of any responsiblity with an implication that the groups your writer attacked have poor “qualities” that they just can’t help, which you just said to hurt them. If only I had any hope that you’ll get punished for this.]

    It’s not even a notpology.

  62. 62.

    Darkrose

    July 14, 2020 at 5:10 am

    @Emma: Oh no! Grant was my favorite too. How sad.

  63. 63.

    Anya

    July 14, 2020 at 5:19 am

    @Barney: That was not an apology by any stretch of the imagination. Nothing of what he said resembled an apology or an acknowledgement of his top writer’s actions or as Fox News called it “horrific racist, misogynistic and homophobic behavior.” In addition to his awful bigotry he also repeatedly demeaned an alleged friend. He posted details about her dating life and mocked her. Yet, preppy racist couldn’t bring himself to say anything stronger than the comments were wrong and “have no connection to the show”. He can’t denounce racism and misogyny because his whole show is built on that.

  64. 64.

    trnc

    July 14, 2020 at 6:04 am

    Sarah Cooper – funny even when she isn’t lip syncing.

    The news is so disturbing and anxiety inducing so to relax my husband and I are watching The Shining

  65. 65.

    trnc

    July 14, 2020 at 6:11 am

    @Adam L Silverman: I’ve always liked the first part of that toon, but I find the chin comment gratuitous. Is it a reference to something specific? If not, I feel like it undermines the message.

  66. 66.

    trnc

    July 14, 2020 at 6:22 am

    @patrick II: Will the returning school kids be riding in school buses? Do you think they can hold their breath until they get off?

    If the classroom is no less crowded than the bus, it doesn’t really matter.

  67. 67.

    RSA

    July 14, 2020 at 6:34 am

    @trnc:

    I’ve always liked the first part of that toon, but I find the chin comment gratuitous.

    Ditto. I’ve also thought, “Lionel Richie as comic book hero?”

  68. 68.

    JAFD

    July 14, 2020 at 10:48 am

    @Mary G: Close of Election Day, working for Board of Elections, we always printed up extra copy of ‘results tape’, stuck it up outside of polling place. In last few years, we’ve occasionally had political ‘operative’ come in, take photo of tape, phone it to candidate’s HQ.
    Now, of course… I remember tv report, after ’15 (?) British election, how folks in Sunderland had streamlined paper ballot counting, were first in UK to report results, several successive elections.

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