I think this is Cooper’s best effort yet:
Fans of “The Usual Suspects” will recognize the homage at the end. I think the ONLY thing I’ll miss about the Trump presidency is the seeing the Cooper version of his nutty monologues.
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I think this is Cooper’s best effort yet:
Fans of “The Usual Suspects” will recognize the homage at the end. I think the ONLY thing I’ll miss about the Trump presidency is the seeing the Cooper version of his nutty monologues.
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germy
If he loses the election, his monologues will continue, from whatever trump property he hides out in.
He’ll be exhorting his followers to march in the streets during a Biden presidency.
Kristine
I confess that this is the first Cooper version I’ve watched because I can’t stand Trump’s voice.
I tried to laugh but I can’t because I still haven’t adjusted to the fact that our president is a decaying mass that is getting worse by the minute.
Just Chuck
I only saw the abbreviated version. I didn’t realize how long he went on. Holy shitballs.
OldDave
“I used to be in a barbershop quartet in Skokie, Illinois. The baritone was this guy named Kip Diskin …”
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
Keyser Söze!
Brilliant
catclub
Micheal Gerson (GOP hack michael gerson) has a piece in the WAPO that trump is the king of lies.
Those of us with any religious background know who the prince of lies is. I was surprised.
This is probably not a case of the headline writer going past the article.
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
Lincoln Project hit Dump with a pick axe (Maxwell Video)
WaterGirl
@Kristine: I can’t, either. I have probably clicked on half a dozen of them, and I don’t even make it through the first sentence. I just can’t.
Montanareddog
Really, she does bring out the sheer numbnuttedness of him repeating his 5 word mantra as if he is revealing his earth-shattering awesomeness. Jeesh!
catclub
yeah, it is serious malpractice by the press to hold a microphone out – for hours- to someone who only loves the sound of his own voice.
Eural Joiner
Well, what a couple of weeks. My wife and I were exposed about a week and a half ago to COVID-19 at a church book give away. We were all PPE’d up and socially distanced, etc. but one of our members had been to the beach a week earlier, come back home, taken a COVID test, and then…did not quarantine and volunteered to help out. Her test came back positive. So, I sat in a car line for three hours this morning with my son to get the test.
In other developments, my wife and I are both public school teachers (elementary and high school) so you can imagine how this week has been going with all of our governor’s shenningans (he has given the majority of government money to private schools while demanding public schools re-open for face-to-face instruction, five days a week. Did I also mention this is South Carolina where our numbers are trending in exactly the wrong direction? Uuuugh.
WaterGirl
@catclub: Is the prince of lies = the devil?
MattF
So, he’s cognitively all there, which means that all his lies are knowing and deliberate. If you say so, Donnie.
Ken
Someday we may get a tell-all book from the aide who was holding the flashcards for Trump during that interview. Or perhaps the unedited Fox footage, where he botched it twice and they had to do retakes.
Betty Cracker
@Eural Joiner: The member who exposed y’all — what in the wide world of fuck was she thinking? I hope she realizes now what a dick move that was. How long until you get your test results?
Kay
You just get such a sense with Trump that he’s been doing this for decades. That people have been standing there as he batters them with this barrage of bullshit and nonsense, and just taking it, for years.
He doesn’t have any idea how dumb and insane he sounds. DECADES of coddling and insulation have convinced him that he sounds smart and masterful.
MattF
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: I’ll note that Melania is in many of those shots with Maxwell.
Boris Rasputin (the evil twin)
@WaterGirl: Yes, and the Prince of Darkness is/was/ever shall be Richard Nixon. Just making sure we’re on the same page
Sorry, but Ozzie Osbourne can’t hold a black candle to Nixon.
mrmoshpotato
@Kristine:
Well, Dump is also a traitorous, Soviet shitpile mobster conman who’s been sucking the Kremlin’s asshole since 1987, if that helps. Oh wait! That’s not helpful at all!
Phylllis
@Eural Joiner: Also in SC. I know of three separate employees in our district who took weeklong beach vacations over the 4th of July, and came right back to work. None of them have exhibited symptoms, thankfully, but if we can’t or won’t even enforce stay out of work for ten days after traveling, how will we enforce stay home if you’re sick?
Hope you get good news on your test. Hope you’re in a district that’s willing to tell Gov. McDumbass to pound sand.
Eural Joiner
@Betty Cracker: to be honest, she is a really sweet older woman who really regrets exposing everyone. But it was still stupid (both going to the beach and not quarintining. The nurse said we should get a call with results next week (3-5 days?). We were all extra careful (it’s a very small, liberal church so *almost* everyone was doing their best with COVID precautions).
Ken
@Just Chuck: That’s still an abbreviated version. He did the five words four times. In part that’s because he told the second half of the story – the “about 20 minutes later they ask you to repeat it again” – twice. Because he’s cognitively there.
MattF
@Kay: His greatness is the only thing he wants to talk about. Anyone still listening is in the select group that hasn’t walked away.
mrmoshpotato
@Montanareddog:
I have nothing to add.
Eural Joiner
@Phylllis: my wife is just livid with many of her co-workers who are all twenty/thirty somethings from the more affluent neighborhoods and who have filled their FB pages with pictures of them and their children at crowded beach parties, lake getaways, etc. It’s insane how many people are not taking this seriously around here.
raven
@Phylllis: Most school teachers and prof’s I know here in Athens, GA have taken beach or mountain vacations this summer. They are also updating their wills.
Jeffro
@catclub: trumpov has made this nearly life-long atheist wonder, many times, if there isn’t something to all that stuff I learned in Sunday School
Jim, Foolish Literalist
another funny video based on this interview, from our friends (of the moment, of convenience) at Project Lincoln. I think that’s Dora the Explorer? But I’m a childless.
Kay
@MattF:
I wondered about it with the obscene photo where he and Melania were holding the shooting victim’s baby like an armful of laundry. Why can’t they mimic normal human behavior? Baby-holding is a fairly standard politician activity. Couldn’t they study how to make it look like they have done it before?
They don’t pick up any cues because they don’t see or hear anyone else.
MisterForkbeard
@WaterGirl: I have a really hard time watching her for the same reason.
The shortened versions (like the Jimmy Fallon ‘Dora the Explorer’ version of this) is much easier to handle but doesn’t convey just how fucking nuts Trump is. The actual interview with him is far, far worse than the short bits we see in comedy shows… and that’s not normal.
But it’s been that way since 2015. Trump’s actual words are really damning, but they’re not usually shown directly and there’s a lot of press time spent cleaning them up so they’re somewhat intelligible.
MisterForkbeard
@Kay:
Couldn’t they study how to make it look like they have done it before?
That sounds an awful lot like work, which we’ve established neither Trump nor anyone in his Administration actually does.
Jeffro
Btw Betty, my teenage kids thought the video was pretty funny but didn’t quite get what happened at the end and started to roll their eyes the moment I started dad-splaining. So I caught myself about five seconds in and said, “Never mind. But I know what we’re watching for the next family movie night!”
Kids!
Cameron
Off topic, and I hope I’m not repeating what’s already come and gone, but does anybody else think that Pompeo’s blast at China isn’t about US foreign policy at all, but part of Trump’s “It’s all China’s fault” re-election ploy? It’s not like the same sorry-ass crew that sics mercenaries on the Wall of Moms suddenly has a deep concern for civil/human rights in China. Trump is incapable of forming a policy about anything, despite his mastery of The Cognitive (and maybe The Ablative and The Genitive, for all I know), and he’s equally incapable of experiencing any human bond with others. This could wind up like COVID-19, where a stupid, cowardly attempt at misdirection leads to disaster.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@MisterForkbeard:
Is that from Fallon? I didn’t see that. I gotta admit he’s talented, as are the people he hires.
Major Major Major Major
Gonna be a looong rest of this presidency, whether months or years.
Jeffro
From the Times’ report on just how big November could be
Nicole
@Eural Joiner: Sending good thoughts for a negative test!
I just went for one today at one of the NYC hospitals. A friend’s partner got tested on July 8th as a precaution- he had no reason to think he was infected, but my friend and their kid were out of town, returning a few days later, and he was figuring he’d have results by the time they got back. My friend and I saw each other, masked, distanced and outdoors, for about 45 minutes on the 17th, but she did take her mask off here and there.
And then on July 20th, her partner FINALLY got his results back and they were positive. Ugh. So, she and he and their kid all went to get tested the same day at an urgent care clinic, and were told 48 hours for results, but by this morning, still nothing, so I decided, though I have no symptoms, as it had been 7 days since I’d seen her, I’d go get tested just in case. It was walk-up, about a 45 minute wait from when I arrived to when I left. I won’t say the nasal swab was painless, but it didn’t sting any worse than when I get water up my nose. Although I discovered when anxious, I’m capable of clenching my nasal passages shut; I had to concentrate on relaxing for the second swab to get in far enough. :)
And then half an hour after I was done, my friend got her results- they’re all negative (and her partner doesn’t show any antibodies, either). But hey, at least I know the test isn’t any big deal to go through. It’s finding a place to get it and getting prompt results that seem to be where all the pain is.
mrmoshpotato
@Kay: He has been doing this shit for decades.
In one of Keith Olbermann’s The Resistance videos, he tells of interviewing Dump 25+ years ago and his producer and him walking away after thinking “What the hell’s wrong with that guy?”
Elizabelle
Loved this Sarah Cooper. OMG. And tiny Ivanka. The homage to Putin.
Dora the Explorer hit it out of the park too.
raven
The Braves are getting ready to start and there just a commercial with Pence saying “The Great American Comeback is underway”!!!!
WaterGirl
@Nicole: Ugh. I’m sorry you all had to go through that. I’m glad the family has tested negative.
How can the husband have no antibodies if he had a test that came back positive? How are they explaining that?
mrmoshpotato
@Boris Rasputin (the evil twin): What about Harriet?
Elizabelle
No one ever mentions the complete deadpan of the Fox interviewer. Who is a med school professor and presumably a physician as well. Expressionless.
Like around a predator. Or a madman.
Major Major Major Major
@WaterGirl: Not everybody develops antibodies (relatively common with any virus), and we’re only testing for our best guess re: which antibodies to look for. My mom only developed short-term ones. Could also be a false positive diagnostic test result, or a false negative antibody result.
mrmoshpotato
@Ken: Cognitively there with a good brain filled with words, the best words!
??
Marcopolo
Here’s some good news: LeBron James joins push to turn out ex-felon vote in Florida
According to the Florida Rights Restoration Coalition they need to raise a little under $1.5 million more to pay off all the fines. This action by James should help whittle that down a lot faster.
Jeffro
Folks, there is hope, there is hoping against hope, and then there is Henry Olsen:
Good on Trump for canceling his convention. Now it’s time for the hard part.
Olsen lays out a point-by-point plan that would sure have come in handy back in March, April, May, June, or July…and will supposedly be implemented now by the Ill Douche (along with massive amounts of federal dollars
Yes…let’s see. I mean, I hope he does all of the things you wrote about, Henry. But I’m also not a complete fucking moron. trumpov has already shown us who he is. Believe him.
Elizabelle
The editing on Sarah Cooper’s clip is just so good.
And emphasizing the pauses as he grasps for the next memory word.
Major Major Major Major
@Eural Joiner: Ugh, how annoying. It sounds like you’ve got a pretty good chance of avoiding getting sick though since you used best practices.
tbh going to an indoor church event is probably more dangerous than going to the beach, though.
David Evans
@WaterGirl: In the Bible, the devil is the father of lies. John 8:44 “for he is a liar and the father of lies”. Which is better metaphorically as it makes him the source of the evil.
AWOL
@raven: Mets did a major BLM pregame ceremony.
Dense will not be pleased.
Marcopolo
@raven: Speaking of baseball, who saw this coming?
Blue Jays to play home games in Buffalo
Gin & Tonic
It’s starting to look like we will have a dog. An old friend adopted a rescue maybe 6-8 months ago, but it’s an active dog, and she’s a retired schoolteacher, living alone, with a very small yard — and a replacement knee that seems to be mechanically defective, with another surgery scheduled for a couple of months from now. She said she wanted to re-home the dog, and my wife’s ears perked up, and she said how about we take her for a couple of weeks and see how it works out. Did I mention the dog is active? Reportedly part Australian shepherd and part border collie, 15-16 months old. She’s been here since Tuesday. Yesterday my wife let her off leash in the neighborhood, which she proceeded to explore at about 350 miles an hour. But she never went really far, and eventually came back, although she had obviously found the remnants of the pond which dries up in August. Not so good with coming when called, but not obnoxious to the neighbors – and we’re in a pretty rural setting, so the running around won’t harm much. No traffic on this street, so that’s good. Remarkably uninterested in fetching balls or sticks.
Anyway, an adjustment period. There is someone else who expressed an interest in the dog, so a good home awaits one way or another. Just not sure if it will be my home.
Major Major Major Major
@Cameron: Personally I’m fine with a little harsh diplomacy towards a genocidal panopticon state.
Eural Joiner
@Major Major Major Major: it was all outdoors! We had tables with donated books (which sat untouched for a week in storage) and each table was dozens of yards from the others on the church front lawn. All volunteers were masked, gloved, and socially distanced. It was actually quite a nice little event…except for our exposure risk.
raven
@Marcopolo: That was what I heard the day they got the word to blame America!
WaterGirl
@Major Major Major Major:
That’s why I can hardly see the point of testing unless you really think you are sick and are looking for confirmation for treatment.
Does a negative test result really mean you don’t have it? Maybe, maybe not. Does a positive test result really mean you do have it? Probably.
The whole thing is such a clusterfuck.
Ken
@Jeffro: Yeah, that makes my Trump comeback plan – that through some miracle he begins to sweat a covid vaccine – look plausible.
raven
@Gin & Tonic: white eyes?
JPL
@AWOL: Nice..
Our two starting catchers are in Atlanta after showing symptoms of Covid. Freddie Freeman caught it earlier and was quite ill with a high fever.
mrmoshpotato
@Elizabelle: I read the FOX interviewer’s expression as ‘dumbfounded’.
Ken
@mrmoshpotato: He’d undoubtedly been briefed and warned not to giggle.
WaterGirl
@Eural Joiner: This is a lesson for all of us. Being in a big group, even outdoors and masked, significantly increases your risk.
The more people, the higher the likelihood that someone(s) has done something boneheaded like what you described.
I think some people have convinced themselves that outdoors + 6-feet away = safe. It does not. That is not safe, it’s just safer. I am not interested in gambling with COVID. The house always wins.
Boris Rasputin (the evil twin)
@mrmoshpotato: SHHHHSH!
Gin & Tonic
@raven: No. Fairly short hair, too. Looks more like a downsized German shepherd in terms of coat and markings. But the flop-over ears, and a bushy white tip of the tail.
Elizabelle
@mrmoshpotato: Yeah. Definitely that too.
PS: I enjoyed the penguins and the murderbird. Finally saw the video.
pamelabrown53
@Kay:
I agree that baby holding is Politics 101. Makes me long for the days of Obama: The Baby Whisperer.
prostratedragon
During my reverie this morning I came to this: The American electorate is like H.I. McDunnogh (Raising Arizona), and at least since Nixon its elections of Republican Presidents is like Hy’s recidivism. And we have finally drawn the cellmate who goes on and on about “When we had no meat we ate crawdad …”
Elizabelle
@Gin & Tonic: I say teach that dog some vocabulary.
No. Like names of objects.
NY Times:
Whisky Knows Her Toys
A Border collie in Norway learned the names and categories of her many, many toys, just by playing a game with her owners.
Worth clicking just for the photo of Whisky. Who knows, for certain, 54 of her 59 toys. (As of February.) Who’s a good girl?
mrmoshpotato
@Ken:
Major Major Major Major
@WaterGirl:
Well, that’s true for much (most?) first-round testing for infections, cancers, drugs, etc. Usually after a preliminary positive you go back in for the real test (or they put a second sample through it). Rapid flu tests have something like 60% sensitivity, which is laughable.
Depending on the test, a COVID result can be anywhere from pretty accurate to super duper accurate. It’s better than nothing. And since so much (most?) spreading happens in a/presymptomatic people, getting tested even if you have no reason to suspect you’re ill is still wise–as is wearing a mask and distancing even if you get a negative result. (Assuming your area has enough tests to go around, of course.)
Gin & Tonic
@Elizabelle: I think first I’ll try to teach her not to bark when I get ice from the fridge door. She’s not good with unexpected noises.
robmassing
Her reactions to herself are [chef’s kiss]
WaterGirl
@Elizabelle: One of my pups used to know his toys by name.
“Go get your hamburger” – he would go into the other room and bring back the correct toy.
I worked with a woman whose husband taught their puppy “put your toys away”. I could never be patient enough to teach my dog that, but it was awesome.
My best friend taught his cats tricks. They sit, lie down, turn in a circle, stand up on their hind legs, play dead, etc. Again, I am not patient enough, but I so admire people who are.
Major Major Major Major
@Eural Joiner:
Oh, you’re almost certainly fine then. (Better safe than sorry for a week or so, though.) Masks are quite effective; think of that hair salon where two of the stylists were positive and symptomatic, but wore masks, and none of the clients got sick.
mrmoshpotato
@Ken:
Or yell, “You are a fucking moronic manbaby, you orange ignoramus!”
The interviewer was probably told, “Try not to laugh. Racist morons with a death wish still buy dick pills and reverse mortgages from our advertisers.”
NotMax
@WaterGirl
Relatively easy to teach any dog to hump a leg on command.
If one were so inclined.
;)
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I often wonder about which trump supporters most actively hope/wish/pray for his Elvis-on-the-crapper moment. I figure McConnell and Melania are tied for first
Marcopolo
@Gin & Tonic: Maybe get a couple of sheep? I’m not sure active is fully descriptive enough for border collies and mixes. I mean, it describes a part of their behavior but they also need mental stimulation. From the wiki:
Oh, and there is also high probability of ankle nipping & trouser cuff pulling. Did I mention you might consider buying a sheep or two. :) Good luck!
AWOL
@JPL: Freddie walked by de Grom. He looked well.
Toronto now relocated to NYS—Canada doesn’t want Covid carriers. Don’t blame ’em.
MattF
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Compulsive repetition (aka ‘perseveration’) is a well-known sign of neurological deficiencies. It’s normal for small children to perseverate. But not for adults.
Major Major Major Major
@Marcopolo: we got a sheltie when I was in middle school who was the sweetest thing, but fairly dumb and lord did the poor thing have a bad case of OCD or whatever they bred into them. I’m not sure we ever managed to satisfy her needs in that respect. Happy and healthy, of course, but I always felt sorta bad.
WaterGirl
@NotMax: Not exactly what I aspire to! :-)
Also, “pee in the house” would be an easy one, too, if you seldom took them out and said it every time they started to pee. Again, not aspiring to that!
JPL
@AWOL: Thanks.. I was able to watch the Braves over antenna but since it’s all about the money, it’s only on cable. I refuse to pay for that.
Elizabelle
@Gin & Tonic: Opposable thumbs, and she would be smart enough to get YOU ice.
Elizabelle
@WaterGirl: Pets are so smart and they want to please. Well, most of them.
I admire those who can train their animals so well.
Phylllis
@Eural Joiner: Oh, our teachers have been doing that since April. The superintendent had to not-so-gently remind them that M-F until June 6th were in fact workdays & they needed to knock it off. No telling what they’ve all been up to this summer.
Ken
@Marcopolo: They could maybe save a little money. IIRC, the original ruling that overturned the law noted that neither the state nor any county was able to say how much each person owned. So try either:
Phylllis
@raven: So glad I missed that.
Bill Arnold
@Major Major Major Major:
I’m fine with that as well, if the stated reasons are factual. China has plenty of real bad behavior to answer for. [2]
China has very little to apologize for IMO re their SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 response and related information sharing.[1] The Trump administration owns the botched Federal response from late January onward (arguably from earlier); they are responsible the around 80 percent of the US COVID-19 deaths.
If evidence ever emerges that SARS-CoV-2 escaped or was released from a Chinese lab, then fine, but until then that talk is just very nasty slander, with the (desirable for the DJT administration) side effect of being a distraction from the failure of the DJT-admin’s US response. The information releases from China were maybe a few days late but the DJT administration pissed away months of time, and since then the published research out of China has been both voluminous and useful.
[1] Remarkably subdued pandemic-blaming from Pompeo in yesterday’s speech, to be clear. From previously “released/escaped from a Chinese lab” to now “doctors should have had freedom of speech”: Communist China and the Free World’s Future (Michael R. Pompeo, July 23, 2020)
[2] For the last couple of years, between 60 and 80 percent of the IPV4 addresses attempting to log into my home server (ssh) have been Chinese. (Mostly it’s apparent botnet recruitment.) This is part of the low level obvious stuff.
wvng
@Kristine: I can ONLY listen to Trump through Cooper. If I see Trump talking, I think I about how Cooper will do him. She just so perfectly captures how delighted he is with his own brilliance as he says stupid things.
oldster
I saw *that* Sarah Cooper was making a “Usual Suspects” joke with the pinboard, but I couldn’t see how the details worked. (Eg why a heart for “camera”?)
I have a different theory about the five nouns: I think he really was remembering them from the test, because they told him the nouns before the test and helped him to repeat them often enough that they stuck for the test. Ronny Jackson was not going to leave it to chance. And now, fifty repetitions later, he can’t get rid of them.
PPCLI
@David Evans: So that would make Eric and Don Jr. the brothers of lies. Works for me.
MattF
@oldster: Except that Trump’s five nouns are obviously not random. I think he just looked around and named five things he saw.
Marcopolo
@Ken: Well, that is one of the Catch-22s of this set up. Which I don’t think any of the courts who have upheld the law have addressed. As Sotomayor noted in her SC dissent, the jeopardy these ex-felons face is if they vote and it is determined at a later date, that they were ineligible. So the simple act of voting could put them back in jail. She was addressing the fact that this has been such a legal back and forth in various courts that during the window it has been “legal” for them to vote, upwards of 80,000 ex-felons have registered to vote. Neither the appeals court nor the Supreme Court which ruled the “payment of fines” was legal addressed/put a mechanism in place for notifying these folks that if they voted they’d be breaking the law.
PPCLI
@oldster: That could be. Or perhaps Trump prepared it himself over and over before the interview.
But the list is easier than the one that is on the actual test: it’s an important part of the test that the words in the list should have nothing to do with one another. “person, woman, man” and “camera, TV” are thematically related.
So Trump was given or had prepared an artificially easy version of the test.
prostratedragon
@Marcopolo:
Back in olden times, just after 9/11 there was a sudden huge demand for bomb-sniffing and other kinds of patrol dogs to be used in airports and such places –too large and sudden to be met quickly by available dogs from the usual breeds for these tasks. So one of the alternate breeds that was tried in some places was the border collie.
There was some trouble in getting them to stick to their assigned job, when a more preferred task seemed to be crying out for their attention.
NotMax
Sneaked out to the market for one item. Place is going bananas because we’re in hurricane watch for the arrival of the (steadily weakening) Douglas this weekend.
Currently category 3. Expected to drop to category 1 or down to tropical storm over the next couple of days.
mrmoshpotato
@MattF:
What strikes me is why have 3 very similar things and then two things out of left field?
Man, woman, person isn’t even naming 3 different animals.
mrmoshpotato
Jinchi
@mrmoshpotato: Camera and TV aren’t out of left field. They are the focal point of Donald Trump’s ego. (He also happened to be looking at a camera during a TV interview when he said it.)
LarryB
Sarah Cooper has an amazing ability to twist her face into a different shape when she’s lip synching Trump. I’ve seen her do interviews and she looks nothing like this.
Nicole
@WaterGirl: All I can think is that it’s a false positive, rare, but they do happen, OR, because he never had any symptoms, that maybe he didn’t develop enough antibodies to show on a blood test. I think (THINK) I remember, early in the pandemic, articles saying people with asymptomatic or very mild cases didn’t necessarily show antibodies.
If he was legit positive, he knows exactly where it happened (because he’s a bit of a hermit even during non-pandemic times)- one outdoor dinner with a friend, where tables were not 6 feet apart.
evodevo
@Gin & Tonic: Yes…I can’t imagine a more hyperactive combination of breeds lol. You need to talk to a border collie trainer about how to control these dogs…and believe me, they can run ALL day…that’s what they were bred for. Running around and around a bunch of sheep for hours.
Just One More Canuck
@mrmoshpotato: le mot juste
trollhattan
@Gin & Tonic:
Confess I’m ‘avin’ a laff here. Not a beginners doggie, nosir, and potentially smarter than all the hoomans. But they’re typically healthy and hearty. Best wishes!
trollhattan
@Major Major Major Major:
Have yet to see a calm sheltie. Neurotic as hell, every one I’ve been around. But they fast!