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Sunday Evening Open Thread: Gulfing

by Anne Laurie|  July 26, 20209:15 pm| 176 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Trump Crime Cartel, Lock Him Up...Lock Them All Up

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Saturday. pic.twitter.com/b6Twgzmqxj

— Helen Kennedy (@HelenKennedy) July 26, 2020

He was golfing with Brett farve yesterday. The only vaccine they were talking about was the one to cure sexually transmitted diseases https://t.co/q0z51odmQX

— jim manley (@jamespmanley) July 26, 2020


I think he’s afraid of being compared to Fauci’s pitch.

— David J. Loehr (@dloehr) July 26, 2020

have always said: Remember he is a coward https://t.co/FmhIArtiuT via @politico

— Jennifer Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) July 26, 2020

7.23.20 pic.twitter.com/N60Yzd3B0d

— Jonathan Lemire (@JonLemire) July 24, 2020

The Steinbrenners were never going to let him in, but didn’t want to make a scene. Not to call them good people but if you check they’re almost unique among pro sports owners for not having donated to him. It’s a personal thing

— Brad (@bradiscranky) July 26, 2020


Yeah, I doubt the Secret Service would’ve let the Steinbrenners keep Trump out of the stadium… but I wouldn’t put it past them to let it be known they were going to pipe in a prerecorded tape of Yankees fans booing, either. George & Don were competitive members of what was then called ‘the monied scum around Manhattan Island’, back when Trump was just a local pest.

I think I saw Sarah Kendzior said it, Trump is acting not like a man who wants to win an election but like one who wants to steal an election. https://t.co/thxZowhm2W

— Schooley (@Rschooley) July 26, 2020

america can relate https://t.co/Hvv1hdsVuj

— kilgore trout, new tone haver (@KT_So_It_Goes) July 25, 2020

What if Trump doesn't actually have a secret plan to steal the election and he's really just an idiot who's been making it all up as he goes along.

— Galar Regional Medical Director (@weedlewobble) July 25, 2020

#FLAILING!

While we’ve been watching Portland, Trump has been building a bigger wall around the White House. This is what it looks like now.

??: @RebeccaARainey pic.twitter.com/a9B4y7KRar

— Joshua Potash (@JoshuaPotash) July 26, 2020

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176Comments

  1. 1.

    raven

    July 26, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    In the last 4 hours I’ve learned my brother and cousin both have it. My brother seems to have recovered and my cousin is in the hospital.

  2. 2.

    Auntie Anne

    July 26, 2020 at 9:22 pm

    @raven: I am so sorry to hear it.  Damn tRump to hell and back!

  3. 3.

    Aleta

    July 26, 2020 at 9:22 pm

    Rex Chapman @RexChapman

    Hurricane Hanna – just now – blowing over Trump’s mighty border wall between the United States and Mexico….

    twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1287494208543166464

     

    Jo @JoJoFromJerz
    Replying to
    @RexChapman
    Wind. Wall. Collapse. Camera. TV.

    Is this true?  I don’t know. Rex Chapman says it happened.

  4. 4.

    Gin & Tonic

    July 26, 2020 at 9:23 pm

    @raven: Holy crap. Here’s hoping for speedy and full recovery.

  5. 5.

    Aleta

    July 26, 2020 at 9:26 pm

    @raven:  I’m sorry.  Hope they are better soon.  My relative, a nurse practitioner, had it despite all her carefulness.  She says she’s fine now.

  6. 6.

    raven

    July 26, 2020 at 9:26 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: I worry about my cousin, he’s a beat up old Jar Head and how health wasn’t that great to begin with. He’s also 76 or so.

  7. 7.

    raven

    July 26, 2020 at 9:27 pm

    @Aleta: Yea, my brother seems to be doing pretty well. He told me he was embarrassed!

  8. 8.

    Kent

    July 26, 2020 at 9:27 pm

    @Aleta: Someone probably shorted the contractors!

    On the other hand, I didn’t think Hanna struck that far south.  The eye wall was about at Corpus Christi which is a long way from the border.  In other words, it might have been an ordinary desert windstorm and no Hanna.

  9. 9.

    WaterGirl

    July 26, 2020 at 9:28 pm

    @raven: Damn.

  10. 10.

    Just Chuck

    July 26, 2020 at 9:29 pm

    How to Optics

  11. 11.

    Aleta

    July 26, 2020 at 9:31 pm

    @raven:   A lot of patients and workers where she works also got  it. She said that among those people, some very old ones with lots of conditions were pos with no apparent effects, and some young ones in good shape had a hard time.  She also said that among the many nurses who were exposed, none of the smokers got it.  In her experience of this limited sample, she said there was no way of predicting.

  12. 12.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    July 26, 2020 at 9:32 pm

    @raven: Oh man, scary. Glad your brother is doing ok, and hoping for good things for your cousin.

  13. 13.

    Aleta

    July 26, 2020 at 9:33 pm

    @raven:  Glad to hear that.

  14. 14.

    Frankensteinbeck

    July 26, 2020 at 9:33 pm

    Is that wall around the White House real?  God, he’s such a coward.  He saw protestors in DC and was literally so afraid they would storm the White House that he’s building a wall.

  15. 15.

    raven

    July 26, 2020 at 9:35 pm

    @Aleta: Yea, my cousin is in isolation at the hospital. He’s combat wounded, agent orange and tough as nails and I guess none of it matters.

  16. 16.

    Eric S.

    July 26, 2020 at 9:35 pm

    @raven: Oh, man, i’m sorry. Im happy for brother is better. I don’t pray but my fingers are crossed for your cousin.

  17. 17.

    dmsilev

    July 26, 2020 at 9:35 pm

    Sigh. My parents called me this morning to let me know that an old friend, someone we’ve known for roughly thirty five years, died yesterday. And, to be honest, mixed in with the grief is a feeling of relief. She was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s about three and a half years ago, and by the last time I saw her (Christmas), her personality was just about gone. There were flashes and instances of the woman I knew, but just briefly. And, from what her family has said since then, it only degenerated from there. So, yeah, definitely complicated feelings today.
    I do wish I could attend her memorial service, but flying cross country right about now… Bad idea.

  18. 18.

    trollhattan

    July 26, 2020 at 9:35 pm

    @raven:

    Jeez, best of luck especially to your cousin. COVID ain’t cornhole.

  19. 19.

    opiejeanne

    July 26, 2020 at 9:35 pm

    @raven: Oh no! I’m so sorry to hear that. I hope your cousin recovers and your brother has no ongoing issues.

  20. 20.

    raven

    July 26, 2020 at 9:37 pm

    Thanks ya’ll. We’re gonna need a bigger boat.

  21. 21.

    FelonyGovt

    July 26, 2020 at 9:38 pm

    @raven: That’s awful. Wishing for the best for your cousin.

  22. 22.

    opiejeanne

    July 26, 2020 at 9:40 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: That wall is awful. Just terrible. What a fucking coward he is.

  23. 23.

    Yutsano

    July 26, 2020 at 9:40 pm

    My co-worker lost her father to it. Her brother has it and is trying to fight it off. Found out a friend of mine had it and that will spike any ambitions he had of joining the military after college. I had the test after spiking a fever in hospital. This damn virus is all too real for me now.

  24. 24.

    dmsilev

    July 26, 2020 at 9:42 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: All I want to know is whether Mexico paid for it.

  25. 25.

    Aleta

    July 26, 2020 at 9:47 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:   no wall can save him from his rotted contents

  26. 26.

    Geoduck

    July 26, 2020 at 9:48 pm

    @Aleta:  There’s been some talk about blood types having an impact.

  27. 27.

    WaterGirl

    July 26, 2020 at 9:48 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: I wondered the same thing.  Is it for real?  Like you, my first thought was what a fucking coward.

    Then I had the chilling thought that he may actually intend to stay in office even if he doesn’t win.  It looks like he’s making the WH a fortress.

    Someone please tell me that is a ridiculous thought and/or that the photo isn’t for real.

  28. 28.

    Suzanne

    July 26, 2020 at 9:51 pm

    @raven: Uggggggh I’m sorry. Best wishes for your cousin.

    My BIL got COVID at work (he works in the dietary department in a hospital) and is doing better now. He has returned to work. But he is considering leaving working in the hospital setting and doing something else.

  29. 29.

    WaterGirl

    July 26, 2020 at 9:51 pm

    @dmsilev: Alzheimers is a terrible disease.  In some cases, pneumonia can be a blessing.  My -ex’s dad had it and spent all day every day curled up in the fetal position.  The first two times they treated for pneumonia and the the third time they did not.

    So many terrible ways to go.

  30. 30.

    WaterGirl

    July 26, 2020 at 9:52 pm

    @raven: Finding out about your brother and your cousin at the same time could really throw you for a loop, bringing it all too close to home.  Glad your brother recovered.

    COVID is a crap shoot, and i want no part of it.  I am still being super cautious.

    Though my neighbor came to the door yesterday, masked, but only 2-3 feet away.  I should have said something, but I didn’t.  The second time he came to the door, i answered from the front door, so I could guarantee more distance.

  31. 31.

    Suzanne

    July 26, 2020 at 9:52 pm

    @Yutsano: Two of my colleagues have it, and a former colleague/friend lost his mom to it. Another former colleague lost her mom to it and then got furloughed in the same week.

  32. 32.

    raven

    July 26, 2020 at 9:53 pm

    The current metal fence, which had spikes added to the top after the September 11 terrorist attacks, will be replaced by one that has an 18-inch aboveground stone base at the bottom, with a 10-foot, 7-inch metal fence atop that and a one-foot-tall ‘anti-climb’ feature at its top.
    The new fence is estimated to cost $64 million and will be approximately 3,500 feet long to surround the 18 acres the White House sits on.

    The fence design won approval from both the Commission of Fine Arts and the National Capital Planning Commission in 2017.

  33. 33.

    raven

    July 26, 2020 at 9:54 pm

    @WaterGirl: Yea, just gotta keep on pushing.

  34. 34.

    dmsilev

    July 26, 2020 at 9:56 pm

    @WaterGirl: That’s basically what happened with my friend. Bacterial infection, taken to the hospital, didn’t respond well to antibiotics. At that point, her husband and children decided ‘no heroic measures, no feeding tube’.

  35. 35.

    opiejeanne

    July 26, 2020 at 9:57 pm

    @WaterGirl: The White House is only a building. It is not the Office of Presidency. The Oval Office is just a room, it does not bestow power on anyone just because they are in it.

  36. 36.

    WaterGirl

    July 26, 2020 at 9:59 pm

    @Geoduck: I just googled.  About half of what I looked at seemed to indicate that there is a link, and the other half said that it isn’t linked.  ?‍♀️

  37. 37.

    Punchy

    July 26, 2020 at 10:02 pm

    Im becoming more convinced that a stolen election is the route theyre going.  They only need to break the law for 1 day…..apprx 10 hrs….then shut down any and all investigations immediately afterwards.  Then again, such plans couldnt be kept secret from the House GOP members, who wouldnt be all so “good dog we”re fucked” if they knew the fix was in.  So maybe thats not the plan.

    Also, I would believe fixing an election would take exquisite planning and execution, and none of these chuckleheads have any ability for any of that.  Perhaps they just go Full Grift for the next 3 months then accept the eviction notice with pockets full of green in their pants.

  38. 38.

    Mai naem mobile

    July 26, 2020 at 10:04 pm

    @raven: hoping the best for your cousin. I hope he’s not in an area that’s overrun with cases.

    If you do a close up of Donny in the golf course pic his neck looks really weird. It’s possible it’s photoshopped. Possibly lighting but zoom into it and it just looks really odd. Brett Favre  looks just fine in the pic.

  39. 39.

    WaterGirl

    July 26, 2020 at 10:04 pm

    @dmsilev: I hope you don’t feel bad, even for a minute, for feeling kind of relieved.  When what makes the person who they were is gone, it can take a little bit to come to terms with that, because it looks like they are still there.

    It’s a terrible disease to wrap your head around.

  40. 40.

    Geminid

    July 26, 2020 at 10:05 pm

    I was catching up on news and saw that Cook Political Report has moved the Ohio 1st district race between Steve Chabot (R) and Democrat Kate Schroder from lean republican to toss up. With the exception of 2009-2011, Chabot has held that seat since 1994.

  41. 41.

    WaterGirl

    July 26, 2020 at 10:05 pm

    @opiejeanne: Right.  If it indicates intent, that’s still disturbing.  But you’re right, squatting in the WH does not make you president.  It just makes you evil and insane.

  42. 42.

    Emma from FL

    July 26, 2020 at 10:06 pm

    @raven: I am so sorry! I learned last week that the daughter of a dear friend, a nurse, got it from one of her patients in spite of all precautions. It was a “light” case — a few chills and some fever — but she has already been asked to return to work as soon as she’s cleared. The nurse shortage is getting critical in Miami-Dade county.

  43. 43.

    Mai naem mobile

    July 26, 2020 at 10:07 pm

    @Geminid: I saw that and Chabot is such a supercilious douchebag.

  44. 44.

    WaterGirl

    July 26, 2020 at 10:09 pm

    @Punchy:

    I would believe fixing an election would take exquisite planning and execution, and none of these chuckleheads have any ability for any of that.

    Actually, there has been a whole hell of a lot of planning for a very long time on the part of the Koch brothers, etc, that has gotten us to where we are today.

    Trump and his family are idiots, but they are surrounded by some terrible people who unfortunately do know how to play the system to destroy a lot of what we have always believed in.

    I totally believe we would win in a landslide if the election is legitimate, but there are a hundred ways they can keep people from voting, and it scares me.

    But we have to start taking action right now to make it as hard for them as possible.

    I think voting protections have to be in the coming COVID bill, as does protection for the post office.  I think both of those should be our hill to die on with this legislation.

  45. 45.

    phdesmond

    July 26, 2020 at 10:10 pm

    @Aleta: i looked at the twitter thread.  the only photograph is of a wall collapse 5 months ago.

  46. 46.

    Yutsano

    July 26, 2020 at 10:10 pm

    @Punchy: Who’s doing the planning? Prince Jared? Ivanka? Neither one of them could plan a sandwich. Bill Barr? He’ll be lucky if the DoJ doesn’t finally up and quit on him if he tries too many election shenanigans. Acting Secretary Wolf? He’s just a thug that will be in trouble once everything comes crashing down. Not one person in this administration is capable of the level of planning and strategy it would take to truly hijack the election. They are acting more like people who know things are about to come crashing down on them. Our job is to make the score so high that any possible whining and stealing is seen as desperate instead of serious. Once that happens we’ll have to deal with a shit show of a transition. But I think Biden already is aware of all this.

  47. 47.

    opiejeanne

    July 26, 2020 at 10:10 pm

    @WaterGirl: I. hope that helped.

    I’ve been trying to calm down a bunch of friends by reminding them of that, but they are so worried about it that they aren’t able to be rational about the subject.

    It does look like he’s digging in to stay, but I’m pretty sure the Secret Service will escort his fat ass out with alacrity before the inauguration is over.

  48. 48.

    James E Powell

    July 26, 2020 at 10:12 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    That’s how my father departed this life. Curled up in a fetal position with tubes. Eventually the feeding by tube stopped working. It was just awful.

  49. 49.

    Frankensteinbeck

    July 26, 2020 at 10:12 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Someone please tell me that is a ridiculous thought

    It is a ridiculous thought.  It does not match the time frame or other events involved.  He started building the wall during the BLM protests, after he was first whisked away to the White House’s secret bunker.  He had the Secret Service get their snipers ready during those protests, and brought in CBP goons to guard the White House’s entrances.  This isn’t related to his plans.  He’s literally such a coward that when he sees protestors in DC he freaks out in fear they’re going to storm the White House.

  50. 50.

    opiejeanne

    July 26, 2020 at 10:14 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: Our very own little tinpot dictator is afraid that the mobs will come for him just like they did for Ceaucescu et al.

  51. 51.

    WaterGirl

    July 26, 2020 at 10:15 pm

    @opiejeanne: I think I read somewhere that it wouldn’t be the Secret Service because they don’t have the authority for that.

    But how long would Trump last if they quit serving him meals?  If the secret service stopped protecting him?  If Ivanka was no longer allowed to come and go at the white house?  How long would his peeps stay trapped with him at the white house?  Because if they left for any reason, they would surely not be allowed back in.

  52. 52.

    Kelly

    July 26, 2020 at 10:15 pm

    It’s getting sketchy out there. Grumpy guy pulls his gun on protesters snarling traffic in Eugene, OR. Protester pulls his and they point guns and yell at one another from a few feet apart.

    twitter.com/CFrancisOLeary/status/1287241701807886337

  53. 53.

    Carolina Dave

    July 26, 2020 at 10:16 pm

    @opiejeanne:

    I’m hoping America delivers an eviction notice on November 3rd to the Orange squatter in the White House. To be carried out on January 20, 2021 at 12:01pm.

  54. 54.

    Frankensteinbeck

    July 26, 2020 at 10:16 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    they are surrounded by some terrible people who unfortunately do know how to play the system to destroy a lot of what we have always believed in.

    Remember this.  ALWAYS remember this:  If Republicans had the physical ability to overturn election results, Doug Jones would not have won.  They did absolutely everything in their power there.  They did NOT want to lose that seat.  This is something they cared about absolutely.  And Doug Jones won, in the state where it would have been easiest for them to overturn things.  For all they cheat around the margins, no, Republicans do not have the power to outright rig an election.

  55. 55.

    WaterGirl

    July 26, 2020 at 10:16 pm

    @James E Powell: It is awful.  I had never met the man when he was still himself, but it was horrible seeing another human being like that.  No quality of life.

    It’s the worst when family can’t agree on decision.  That might just be a pretty good definition of hell.

  56. 56.

    burnspbesq

    July 26, 2020 at 10:17 pm

    The videos going viral from the Portland protests were a source of grim amusement today. Protestors shooting the little green men with Silly String, and this sweet snag and return pass.

    brobible.com/culture/article/portland-protestor-lacrosse-stick/

  57. 57.

    James E Powell

    July 26, 2020 at 10:18 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Actually, there has been a whole hell of a lot of planning for a very long time on the part of the Koch brothers, etc, that has gotten us to where we are today.

    That’s what some people are not fully appreciating. Nearly every court ruling in favor of allowing people to vote has been appealed, stayed, and held in limbo. Florida was the big one.

  58. 58.

    debbie

    July 26, 2020 at 10:18 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Type O is supposed to offer some sort of protection.

  59. 59.

    WaterGirl

    July 26, 2020 at 10:19 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: Thank you.

    I have really been appreciating your comments these past few weeks.  You sometimes have a different take than other people, and I find that it helps me keep perspective.

    Even when I lose it for a minute!

  60. 60.

    WaterGirl

    July 26, 2020 at 10:20 pm

    @Kelly: How did that end?

  61. 61.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    July 26, 2020 at 10:22 pm

    @raven:

    I’m glad to hear your brother is out from under it and I hope your cousin beats it. I hope they both have minimal to no lingering issues, this shit is nasty.

  62. 62.

    laura

    July 26, 2020 at 10:22 pm

    @raven: Oh Raven, wishing your kin the best.

  63. 63.

    Kelly

    July 26, 2020 at 10:22 pm

    @WaterGirl:But you’re right, squatting in the WH does not make you president.

    If the White House cooks stop feeding him he’ll be gone the next day.

  64. 64.

    dmsilev

    July 26, 2020 at 10:23 pm

    @WaterGirl: I don’t feel guilty about it, just sort of strange knowing that this was sort of a blessing in disguise, particularly for the people (her husband, mainly) who were caring for her as her capacities diminished.

  65. 65.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 26, 2020 at 10:23 pm

    @WaterGirl: Uniformed Secret Service provide physical protection for the White House.  The personal protective details are not uniformed.

  66. 66.

    WaterGirl

    July 26, 2020 at 10:23 pm

    @debbie: Yeah, everything that said there is a link looks like O is better with COVID and A is worse.

    But the other half said there is no link at all.

    So much uncertainty.

  67. 67.

    debbie

    July 26, 2020 at 10:24 pm

    @raven:

    Hoping for the best for both your brother and your cousin.

  68. 68.

    West of the Rockies

    July 26, 2020 at 10:24 pm

    Favre always seemed like an A-hole to me with that stupid smirk-smile and old South arrogance.  If he chooses to hang with scum like Trump, my suspicions are confirmed.

  69. 69.

    Kelly

    July 26, 2020 at 10:25 pm

    @WaterGirl: Everybody calmed down and went their separate ways. The incident in Austin shows it could have been bloody.

    dailyemerald.com/multimedia/photos-anti-racist-and-counter-protesters-clash-at-courthouse/article_13…

    Local paper

    registerguard.com/news/20200725/eugene-protest-declared-riot-following-night-of-confrontations

  70. 70.

    HumboldtBlue

    July 26, 2020 at 10:25 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    I’m not buying this anymore, the touch screen voting machines are tailor-made for just this scenario. Karl Rove gave us the tell in 2012 and they used the voter suppression and iffy voting machines and software in 2016 and they’ll use it again in November. It’s not hijacking paper ballots it’s rigging voting machines and that remains a concern, a huge concern.

    I ain’t the brightest bulb in this chandelier of mutants, clever jacks and people who actually know useful shit about the world but I am paranoid enough to not trust our system until Biden is sworn in.

  71. 71.

    Kent

    July 26, 2020 at 10:26 pm

    @Punchy: Also, I would believe fixing an election would take exquisite planning and execution, and none of these chuckleheads have any ability for any of that.  Perhaps they just go Full Grift for the next 3 months then accept the eviction notice with pockets full of green in their pants.

    Elections are fixed at the state level, not Federal level.  Which state elections are they going to fix?  Obviously some of the southern states are already fixed, like Georgia and maybe Florida.  But the 3 swing states in 2016 were WI, MI, and PA and they have all flipped from GOP to DEM governors and secretaries of state.  So the job is going to be a LOT LOT tougher.

    Obviously they are going to try to fix every state election that they can, from statehouse races to Congress to president.  That’s what they do and it is what they have always done going back at least a generation (or 150 years in the south).  But it is going to be a tougher task to actually do it in enough swing states in 2020 to swing the presidential election.

    But of course they will try and will need to be fought every damn step of the way.

  72. 72.

    jl

    July 26, 2020 at 10:26 pm

    When does official campaign season start and people start to pay close and sustained attention? Seems like a lot of Trumpster created messes are baked into the system now, and will stretch out into summer and early fall.

    Hospital crises for next month or so baked into current situation in sunbelt and some southern states, periodically making for justifiably scary headline stories.

    Stress and delay of at least several weeks in renewal of economic rescue package because Congressional GOP has forgotten how to actually do anything.

    Fed police making more trouble, which seems to be unpopular, over next few weeks at least.

    So, those die down just in time for Trumpster insane and irresponsible school opening plan to blow up. Nothing like oldster teachers getting sick and dying to cheer up the voting population.

  73. 73.

    Yutsano

    July 26, 2020 at 10:28 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: At 1201 20 JAN 2021 if he has not received at least 270 electors in the Electoral College which will have voted by 14 DEC* he will no longer be President. There is no mechanism in the Constitution or the law that can change that date. They can only work on suppressing the vote, but we still have mechanisms in place to counter those. We’re not totally helpless here and as soon as we as act like we are they gain power over us. It’s not going to be easy but we will win here.‏

    *I refuse to admit if Silverman is having an influence on me or not…

    <_<

    >_>

  74. 74.

    featheredsprite

    July 26, 2020 at 10:29 pm

    @raven: Sorry about your relatives. Your cousin might be in trouble. I’m older than dirt myself and am reluctant to leave the house.

  75. 75.

    tomtofa

    July 26, 2020 at 10:30 pm

    @raven: Glad for your brother; hoping for your cousin.

    @Mai naem mobile: Out of idle curiosity, looked up Favre’s height/weight. He’s 6’2″, 223 lbs. In the pic he’s a bit taller than T, and there’s a lot more than 16 lbs. difference between them . . .

  76. 76.

    jl

    July 26, 2020 at 10:31 pm

    @Yutsano: That is my understanding too. About the only clear consensus I’ve seen legally from what I’ve read: No valid electoral college vote, no newly elected president. After Jan 2020, Trump gone. Seems to be some controversy over how federal laws governing succession will work. Maybe depends on who controls the Senate. One scenario I read, if Dems take Senate is President, ta da! Leahy.

    Edit: I’d comment on the decision being thrown into the House, but I forgot, too damn complicated.

  77. 77.

    piratedan

    July 26, 2020 at 10:33 pm

    @Punchy: not worried about the GOP… I  am worried that they’re taking their cues from the GRU… in essence just being given a script to follow and willing to do whatever they’re told.

  78. 78.

    Punchy

    July 26, 2020 at 10:33 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: This is a very good point.  If Trump could control results, all his “guys” would have won, followed by Trump braggadocio and shit talking. The many instances that his men failed is decent proof that he doesnt controll all the levers.

  79. 79.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    July 26, 2020 at 10:35 pm

    @raven:

    I’m so sorry to hear that about your brother and cousin. I hope your cousin recovers

  80. 80.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 26, 2020 at 10:35 pm

    @Yutsano: Agreed.

  81. 81.

    rikyrah

    July 26, 2020 at 10:35 pm

    @raven:

    Oh raven?????

  82. 82.

    Smalla

    July 26, 2020 at 10:36 pm

    I’m so disappointed in Brett Favre. It’s even worse than him becoming a Viking.

  83. 83.

    jl

    July 26, 2020 at 10:38 pm

    After Trump’s A-hole tweets on kneeling in MLB, maybe too high a chance the players will boo him, or the the pro- anti-Trump factions get into a non-socially distanced brawl?

  84. 84.

    different-church-lady

    July 26, 2020 at 10:38 pm

    OPTICS, BITCHES!!1!

    (DCL +WHO THE FUCK KNOWS??2?)

  85. 85.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    July 26, 2020 at 10:39 pm

    Yeah, I doubt the Secret Service would’ve let the Steinbrenners keep Trump out of the stadium…

    …it’s the Steinbrenner’s show. The Secret Service would’ve had no authority to force them to let Trump throw a shitty ceremonial pitch

  86. 86.

    Mai naem mobile

    July 26, 2020 at 10:39 pm

    @tomtofa: Favre isn’t playing anymore so chances are he’s put on some weight.  From what I’ve seen it seems like a lot of the pro athletes put on some weight after they quit their sport. Must be the freedom from not having to follow a certain diet for peak performance.

  87. 87.

    different-church-lady

    July 26, 2020 at 10:39 pm

    @Smalla:

    I’m so disappointed in Brett Favre. It’s even worse than him becoming a Viking Tom Brady becoming a Buccaneer.

  88. 88.

    jl

    July 26, 2020 at 10:39 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I’ll try to find the article that concluded a botched election will end up with a Baud-n-Bill’s excellent adventure administration.

  89. 89.

    Yutsano

    July 26, 2020 at 10:40 pm

    @Smalla: A friend of mine is from Wisconsin. He’s named after number 4. So naturally he roots for…the Chargers.

    EDIT: he actually wants to own a share in the team just to lord it over his family. He still won’t root for them. But he just wants to stick it to them. Families are weird.

  90. 90.

    different-church-lady

    July 26, 2020 at 10:41 pm

    Tech question: how many thousands of browser tabs can you have open long-term before the internet runs out of memory? Asking for a friend…

  91. 91.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    July 26, 2020 at 10:42 pm

    @Yutsano:

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    @jl:

    I agree as well. That’s how I understand it as well. We can’t let them scare us because if we do they win

  92. 92.

    rikyrah

    July 26, 2020 at 10:43 pm

     

     

    @tomtofa:

    I would have thought that Favre would continue to keep a low profile, less people begin to ask about that million dollars he wound up with from Mississippi state funds that he had no right to.?

  93. 93.

    jl

    July 26, 2020 at 10:43 pm

    @different-church-lady: You the one messing up my connectivity, huh?

  94. 94.

    rikyrah

    July 26, 2020 at 10:45 pm

    Air conditioner broke?

    Trying to get to sleep and it’s over 80 degrees?

  95. 95.

    CaseyL

    July 26, 2020 at 10:46 pm

    @raven: Shit!  I am so sorry to hear that.  Glad your brother is recovering, and I hope he recovers fully. I hope your cousin makes a full recovery, too.

  96. 96.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    July 26, 2020 at 10:46 pm

    I have always thought it was silly when people say Dump won’t leave the WH if he loses for the simple reason there’s no golf course at the WH.

  97. 97.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    July 26, 2020 at 10:47 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    Can’t give you a precise answer, but I’ve had at least hundreds of tabs open on my mobile Chrome browser. Occasionally, when switching tabs, it will freeze for 10 seconds or so, and when opening the browser sometimes all of the tabs will have to reload

  98. 98.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    July 26, 2020 at 10:47 pm

    @jl:

    Trump is just scared that he’d look like an idiot with a lollipop throw.

    The Yankees should get AOC to throw out the first pitch and Brett Favre is an asshole.

  99. 99.

    Rjnerd

    July 26, 2020 at 10:47 pm

    I know of two,  the owner of the place my brother worked at,  and the mother of a dear friend.

    i knew my brothers boss, and bought stuff from him years ago (ran a surplus electronics biz.  He was already on radiation treatments for cancer, so he was on borrowed time,  but was expected to last another year.  He said no to a ventilator, and was gone a few hours later.

    My brother was tested, and was luckily negative, but he still went into isolation for two weeks anyway.  Unfortunately his job has him dealing with physical objects, so remote work isn’t an option for him.

     

    Elaines mother was a very different story.  She was a tough old coot that had survived a bunch of things that should have killed her.  We were all convinced that the reaper was afraid of her…  But she did have a target on her, as she was convinced to try assisted living last year after her car keys  were taken away.  Not sure which location it was in, the choices were Florida, or New Jersey,  neither particularly good odds.

     

    It is even harder than usual  losing people right now, as all the mechanisms for the community to help the grieving family just aren’t advisable.  I lost my wife at the end of May,  and I have no idea when it might be possible to hold an event to celebrate her memory.  I did finally get to ring for her, but it was almost comical, the four of us masked, and each in our own corner of a friends deck.
    lastingmemories.com/memorial/susan-fera-assmann

  100. 100.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    July 26, 2020 at 10:49 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    What would it take for them to outright do so?

  101. 101.

    Kay

    July 26, 2020 at 10:51 pm

    Jake Sherman
    @JakeSherman
    · 14h
    >@elonmusk to @maureendowd: “Biden, I just don’t know. It’s hard to see through the noise. But is he — are all his mental faculties there or not? I can’t quite tell. It would be helpful to see him in a debate scenario or something like that.”

    Joe Biden was in 11 debates in late 2019 and early 2020.

  102. 102.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    July 26, 2020 at 10:53 pm

    He appeared unable to stand still during a solemn ceremony at Arlington National Cemetery on Memorial Day. Some observers noted that he had difficulties lifting a wreath with his right arm.

    There’s something wrong.

  103. 103.

    Ruckus

    July 26, 2020 at 10:55 pm

    @raven:

    Best of luck to your cousin and hopefully your brother will recover 100%.

    @dmsilev:

    My father died of Alzheimers at 84. Suffered for 19 yrs. It never gets better, the end result is always the same. I’ve known of people who suffered for 5 yrs, one just never knows how it’s going to go. But the disease is one of a number that rots the brain from the inside and when it gets to certain parts, that’s the end. ALS, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, Huntington’s, are the big 4, MS is not in the same realm but is pretty nasty as well. Had a friend with ALS.

    This is going to sound callous but from my experience at some point the end is almost a relief. The suffering from these diseases is bad and only gets worse. I have some of the symptoms of Parkinson’s and it took almost 4 yrs for a medical decision to be made that I don’t have it. The early stages of all of these are not necessarily good but are not nearly the level of later stages. My friend with ALS lived in a wheel chair and bed with out the ability to speak or perform any bodily functions on his own towards the end. He had a breathing tube as well towards the end. His son was with him constantly and tended to all his needs for a number of years, a 24 hr a day job.

  104. 104.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    July 26, 2020 at 10:56 pm

    @David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch:

    Imagine if he collapses during a debate with Biden

  105. 105.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    July 26, 2020 at 10:57 pm

    @Kay:

    I despise Elon Musk

  106. 106.

    dmsilev

    July 26, 2020 at 10:57 pm

    @Kay:

    @elonmusk to @maureendowd

    That’s pretty much doomed from the get-go.

  107. 107.

    rikyrah

    July 26, 2020 at 10:59 pm

    @Kay:

    bring those receipts??

  108. 108.

    Dan B

    July 26, 2020 at 10:59 pm

    @Yutsano: You’re in the epicenter for WA state although the spread is migrating north.  It’s three times the rate of Seattle.

  109. 109.

    WaterGirl

    July 26, 2020 at 10:59 pm

    @rikyrah: Ugh.  And it’s not just the heat, but also humidity without AC.  Hope you have a bunch of fans.  Walking outside today is like walking into a sauna.

  110. 110.

    different-church-lady

    July 26, 2020 at 11:01 pm

    @David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch:

    There’s something wrong.

    You’re telling us?

  111. 111.

    different-church-lady

    July 26, 2020 at 11:02 pm

    @Kay: EVERY accusaion is a confession….

  112. 112.

    CarolPW

    July 26, 2020 at 11:05 pm

    @Rjnerd: Oh no, so very sorry. A terrible time to lose any loved one.

  113. 113.

    Redshift

    July 26, 2020 at 11:05 pm

    @Wyatt Salamanca: Trump saw the good-natured ribbing of Fauci’s pitch in Twitter, and since he cannot stand being the butt of even the mildest of jokes (see the WHCD), he made up a bullshit excuse and chickened out. I’m convinced this is exactly what happened.

  114. 114.

    Ohio Mom

    July 26, 2020 at 11:07 pm

    Goku: Do I remember correctly that you are on a Columbo kick?You are not the only one: from the New York Times the other day: “Comfort Viewing: 3 reasons why I love Columbo”

    nytimes.com/2020/07/24/arts/television/columbo-watch.html

  115. 115.

    Ruckus

    July 26, 2020 at 11:08 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    The secret service protects the president. At noon on Jan 20, 2021 we will have a new president. If Joe Biden wins, as of him being sworn in, shitforbrains will be a squatter in the building. An unwelcome visitor. The secret service, in order to protect the current president will provide security, and in this instance will consist of them escorting him out. This is their job, take a bullet, defend the person, the job. They have other duties but this one is the most visible.

  116. 116.

    SFAW

    July 26, 2020 at 11:10 pm

    @raven:

    Best wishes to you and your cousin (as well as your brother, of course). Hoping for a full and quick recovery.

  117. 117.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    July 26, 2020 at 11:12 pm

    @Ohio Mom:

    You remember correctly! That article is pay-walled, but the subtitle alludes to Columbo, despite being a cop, wasn’t a fascist

  118. 118.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    July 26, 2020 at 11:12 pm

    @Redshift:

    Despite the constant, over-the-top swagger he displays in public, at his core Trump is just a sniveling, nail-biting, bed-wetting coward.

  119. 119.

    tomtofa

    July 26, 2020 at 11:15 pm

    @Mai naem mobile: I thought about that, too (though he looks pretty trim in the pic). If he weighs more now it makes Trump’s claimed 239 lbs even more absurd.

  120. 120.

    Brantl

    July 26, 2020 at 11:21 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: they rigged Bush’s 2 times. Flat out rigged.

  121. 121.

    tomtofa

    July 26, 2020 at 11:22 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Brazen it out seems to be the way for rich rightwing jerks. Personally I’d keep a low profile just about the d**k pics.

  122. 122.

    Ohio Mom

    July 26, 2020 at 11:24 pm

    Goku: I’m sorry you can’t see the article. Some excerpts:

    “It also avoids the traps of “copaganda”: Columbo never resorts to force and he does not hunt the downtrodden but white elites who want to preserve or increase their status…Columbo always punches up because he takes down members of the elite.”

    ”The social ills he uncovers are not caused by, say, drug use or poverty, but by an amoral sense of immunity fostered by affluence and status. Columbo is solidly middle class…”

    “Columbo relies exclusively on observation, deduction and psychology, which gives his police work an abstract quality: Visual signifiers of law enforcement are largely invisible, whether they are uniforms, patrol cars, police stations and jails or, most important, guns.”

    “Sherlock Holmes, say, used the same approach, but Columbo stands out because of the pleasure he derives — not that he would admit to that — from taunting suspects in manipulative mind games. The exchanges rely always on the tension between two opposite life philosophies: A self-effacing (possibly calculatingly so) working stiff confronts people blinded by hubris. It’s a neat way to undermine power, or the projection of it.”

  123. 123.

    StringOnAStick

    July 26, 2020 at 11:25 pm

    @Rjnerd: I’m very sorry for your loss.  I hope you’ll soon be able to have the life celebration she deserves and that this will provide some comfort to you.

  124. 124.

    jl

    July 26, 2020 at 11:27 pm

    @Ohio Mom: I thought Holmes got some fun out of it when he was coked up to the gills. Maybe I misread the subtext of the  stories.

  125. 125.

    Matt McIrvin

    July 26, 2020 at 11:29 pm

    @WaterGirl: Trump can wall himself up in the White House all he wants–if he loses the election, come January 20th he’s just a trespasser there. The military knows this, and I’m betting the Secret Service knows this.

  126. 126.

    Jean

    July 26, 2020 at 11:30 pm

    @WaterGirl: Both my internist and my dermatologist don’t buy the blood type story. A theory, but not much more.

  127. 127.

    Geminid

    July 26, 2020 at 11:31 pm

    @Kay: After Biden and Sanders debated on May 15, USA Today had a top college debate coach, Todd Graham of Southern Illinois University, rate their performances. Graham was pretty detailed. He said it was Biden’s best debate performance yet, gave it an A.                      Graham gave poor Bernie a D. Sanders kept asking rhetorical questions, which Graham thought was poor debating technique.                                               It’s hard to believe that was only 70 days ago.

  128. 128.

    satby

    July 26, 2020 at 11:31 pm

    @Rjnerd: Condolences on the passing of Susan. What lovely tributes people left for her.

    @raven:  Glad your brother seems to be recovering, hoping for the same for your cousin.

  129. 129.

    RandomMonster

    July 26, 2020 at 11:31 pm

    I can’t read anything on this post without seeing Seinfeld’s Steinbrenner wildly gesticulating and Larry David’s voice saying, “Big Stein doesn’t want some White House rubber arm toss in Yankee Stadium!”

  130. 130.

    Kristine

    July 26, 2020 at 11:32 pm

    @Kay:

    “Musk? I just don’t know. It’s hard to see through the noise. But is he — are all his mental faculties there or not? I can’t quite tell. It would be helpful to see him in a debate scenario or something like that shut up for five minutes.”

  131. 131.

    WaterGirl

    July 26, 2020 at 11:34 pm

    @Rjnerd: I’m so very sorry.  That’s a lot of loss, particularly your wife.

  132. 132.

    laura

    July 26, 2020 at 11:36 pm

    @rikyrah: old school trick a cold shower followed by Jean Nate splash. My mom used to keep Jean Nate in the fridge in the summer.

  133. 133.

    Ohio Mom

    July 26, 2020 at 11:37 pm

    jl @124: I don’t think the Times’ essayist has given Holmes half the thought she has to Columbo.

    In fairness, she started rewatching Columbo in quarantine because she had happy childhood memories of watching the show with her dad. Perhaps if they had read Sherlock Holmes together, her observations of Holmes would have been more fine-tuned.

  134. 134.

    Benw

    July 26, 2020 at 11:38 pm

    @raven: holy fuck man, I hope they get better

  135. 135.

    Delk

    July 26, 2020 at 11:38 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): my favorite Colombo is with Donald Pleasence as a wine connoisseur. He takes a sip of bad wine and yells out,”What is this liquid filth?!”

  136. 136.

    Kristine

    July 26, 2020 at 11:39 pm

    @Jean @WaterGirl : Blood type is not associated with a severe worsening of symptoms in people who have tested positive for COVID-19, report Harvard Medical School researchers based at Massachusetts General Hospital.

    I’m A-, so the news concerned me when it first came out.

  137. 137.

    randy khan

    July 26, 2020 at 11:41 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Is that wall around the White House real? God, he’s such a coward. He saw protestors in DC and was literally so afraid they would storm the White House that he’s building a wall.

    I haven’t been there in a while, but they started a project to replace the fence with something taller in the fall. It had been in the works for a while. While the old fence is down and the new one is coming up, they’ve got temporary barriers, although usually they had somewhere you could look through the times I went past. (I haven’t been there since probably February, so I don’t know if that’s still true.)

    BTW, the theory of the new fence is that it will be better at preventing people from climbing over it, which has happened in the past. To prevent that, they’ve put in Jersey barriers on the sidewalk and restricted access to it. Supposedly the plan was to reopen the sidewalk when the new fence was completed. I am skeptical that will happen, but we’ll see.

  138. 138.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    July 26, 2020 at 11:42 pm

    @Geminid: hard to believe Bernie was seen as an empty suit

  139. 139.

    Matt McIrvin

    July 26, 2020 at 11:43 pm

    @Kent:

    Elections are fixed at the state level, not Federal level.  Which state elections are they going to fix?  Obviously some of the southern states are already fixed, like Georgia and maybe Florida.  But the 3 swing states in 2016 were WI, MI, and PA and they have all flipped from GOP to DEM governors and secretaries of state.  So the job is going to be a LOT LOT tougher.

    Some possibilities:

    1. Shut down the US Postal Service. This is already happening, to some degree- the USPS just announced that, due to their cutbacks and slowdown orders, anyone planning to vote by mail needs to factor in a 14-day round trip. But if Trump shuts down the USPS entirely in the fall, or maybe orders them to shitcan all ballots if he wants to be more blatant about it, he can completely stop the election in some states, like Oregon, and eliminate all of the mail votes in others.
    2. Send in the goons to just break shit and frighten people in swing-state blue cities, like Cleveland, Durham, Miami and Philadelphia. Firebomb some polling places, maybe. Make everyone terrified to even be out on the street.
    3. All this chaos might not actually shift the vote in his favor–but even if it doesn’t, it could create uncertainty and a lack of confidence in the vote count that he could then use in a lawsuit to overturn a losing result. It’d be a little like shooting your parents and demanding mercy because you’re an orphan, but with enough hacks on the Supreme Court it might work. I remember 2000.
  140. 140.

    Redshift

    July 26, 2020 at 11:44 pm

    The procession for John Lewis is supposed to stop at Black Lives Matter Plaza near the White House. I can’t help but wonder if that might be part of the reason for renewed fence construction. (Also, people who aren’t DC locals might not know that they dismantled the expanded perimeter they put up after the bible photo op.

  141. 141.

    Jean

    July 26, 2020 at 11:46 pm

    @Kristine: Thank you!

  142. 142.

    debbie

    July 26, 2020 at 11:47 pm

    @laura:

    We used to keep our sheets in the refrigerator all day. Can’t remember exactly how long they stayed cool on the bed, but it was a relief.

  143. 143.

    randy khan

    July 26, 2020 at 11:49 pm

    @Kelly:

    If the White House cooks stop feeding him he’ll be gone the next day.

     

    They should just serve him only green vegetables.  That would do it.

    If he loses, at noon on Inauguration Day everyone will stop taking his orders.  And that includes the Secret Service, which would follow any order from the new Administration to remove him.

    All of that said, there’s an elaborate choreography for one President moving out and another moving in.  It’s easy to imagine Trump gumming that up, which would be a pain for his successor.

  144. 144.

    Matt McIrvin

    July 26, 2020 at 11:53 pm

    @Kristine: I’m no doctor, but I was always really skeptical about the blood-type stuff just because there’s so much silly woo out there about various things being associated with your blood type. In Japan they’re treated like astrological signs, with associated personality types and such.

    Here, there have been fad diets where the foods you can eat depend on your blood type. I recall one where there was a blood type that could eat chicken but not turkey, or maybe it was the other way around.

  145. 145.

    randy khan

    July 26, 2020 at 11:55 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    This is already happening, to some degree- the USPS just announced that, due to their cutbacks and slowdown orders, anyone planning to vote by mail needs to factor in a 14-day round trip.

    I’m seeing this spread around, so I think it’s important to point out that’s not what the Postal Service said.  They have said for a while that if you want to be sure your mailed-in ballot gets there in time, you should mail it a week in advance.  Somebody doubled that based on the assumption that it would take the same amount of time to get your ballot from local election officials.  (Hence the use of “round trip” in the original version of it.)

    The advice about mailing early is a good idea, but it’s not new, and not based on anything that’s happened recently  It’s also really more time than you’d expect to need – in most places, first class mail in state gets delivered in a couple of business days.  But you should be careful with your vote and send it in early anyway.

    (By the way, while researching this earlier today, I found out that mailed-in ballots have special markings so they are expedited.)

  146. 146.

    frosty

    July 26, 2020 at 11:57 pm

    @dmsilev: That was our decision with my mom, who had a DNR and no heroic measures signed. She had a bacterial infection, they gave her antibiotics. We talked it over with the social worker and found out those were keeping her alive and asked them to stop.

    Vascular dementia in her case. At one point she said “I don’t want to be here.” We said that the assisted living place was really good for her and she said “Not here, Planet Earth.”

    Dementia is hard on everyone. For us kids, it was like grieving in steps as a little bit more of her was gone. Same thing happened with my dad’s Parkinson’s 10 years earlier.

  147. 147.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 27, 2020 at 12:01 am

    @randy khan: Keeping the Postal Service from delivering ballots would disenfranchise Trump and most of the senior officials in the administration; they’ve all voted by mail in the past.

  148. 148.

    Kelly

    July 27, 2020 at 12:02 am

    @Matt McIrvin:But if Trump shuts down the USPS entirely in the fall, or maybe orders them to shitcan all ballots if he wants to be more blatant about it, he can completely stop the election in some states, like Oregon, and eliminate all of the mail votes in others.

    Oregon has ballot drop off boxes statewide. Our nearest is at the city library. Most small towns have at least one and there are many in the cities.

  149. 149.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    July 27, 2020 at 12:04 am

    @randy khan: 

    It’s easy to imagine Trump gumming that up, which would be a pain for his successor.

    If Trump loses in Nov after they pry him out from under the resolute desk where he’ll be curled up in a fetal position, he won’t become a former President he’ll become an Anti-President claiming that Biden is an illegitimate leader who stole the election by massive voter fraud. Trump is a truly sick bastard who’ll never ever go gentle into that good night. He’ll continue tweeting up a shitstorm for the foreseeable future.

    th

  150. 150.

    frosty

    July 27, 2020 at 12:06 am

    @HumboldtBlue:  @Kent:  PA got rid of voting machines with no paper trail in 2018. I voted a scanned paper ballot in that election, so you can take us off the hackable list.

  151. 151.

    Anya

    July 27, 2020 at 12:12 am

    @Kay:  Why would anyone care about Elon Musk’s opinions on anything is beyond me.

    Remember that time when rapper Azealia Banks took over Elon Musk’s house for days and was trash tweeting about him and how he was tweeting about taking Tulsa private while he was on Acid? The dude couldn’t even get Azealia Bank out of his house. That’s how messy he is. Only way to make sense of his ll-thought-out ideas is if you imagine you’re listening to Justin Hammer talking about one of his plans to defeat Ironman.

  152. 152.

    Wapiti

    July 27, 2020 at 12:12 am

    @Matt McIrvin: I expect that most postal workers either mirror their community or they tend to be more pro-union/pro-good government. They’re also sort of self-selected for dedicated obeyance of postal regs. I don’t think that all 600,000 postal workers are going to quiet about a hypothetical order to destroy ballots.

  153. 153.

    frosty

    July 27, 2020 at 12:14 am

    @Ruckus: I have some of the symptoms of Parkinson’s and it took almost 4 yrs for a medical decision to be made that I don’t have it.

    I’m glad to hear that, having watched the disease up close. Your comment reminded me of a Paul Fussel quote: “Life is short and almost always ends messily.”

  154. 154.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    July 27, 2020 at 12:20 am

    Get ready. This is going to be a big week. ?‍☠️

    — The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) July 27, 2020

    I love the smell of napalm in the morning

  155. 155.

    Ruckus

    July 27, 2020 at 12:22 am

    @frosty:

    “Life is short and almost always ends messily.”

    Far more often than not.

  156. 156.

    Origuy

    July 27, 2020 at 12:27 am

    This could get interesting. Someone’s talking about Erik Prince.

    twitter.com/10milesbadroad/status/1287499098388434946

  157. 157.

    Lyrebird

    July 27, 2020 at 12:29 am

    @raven: all good wishes to your relatives!

    &

    @Rjnerd: oh my, what a loss!  our family is also waiting, hoping to do a celebration of life next summer if we can.

  158. 158.

    West of the Cascades

    July 27, 2020 at 12:34 am

    @Kelly: the closest one to me is also the public library … although the McDonald’s on NE Cesar Chavez is a close second. I love being able to vote at a McDonald’s in Portland.

  159. 159.

    Steeplejack

    July 27, 2020 at 12:44 am

    @raven:

    Bummer! Sorry to hear it. They’re in California, right?

  160. 160.

    HRA

    July 27, 2020 at 12:52 am

    @raven: I wish for the best recovery for your brother and your cousin progresses to get out of the hospital with a good recovery.

  161. 161.

    l3000

    July 27, 2020 at 12:57 am

    OT: This is strange. Has anyone here gotten these packages from China of unidentified seeds with the package saying it’s jewelry? Agricultural smuggling??? How is this profitable?

    vvng.com/people-are-receiving-an-unsolicited-package-of-seeds-from-china-in-the-mail/

  162. 162.

    joel hanes

    July 27, 2020 at 1:00 am

    @frosty:

    a Paul Fussel quote: “Life is short and almost always ends messily.”

     

    “Don’t take life so serious, son.   It ain’t nohow permanent.”
    — Walt Kelly, somewhere in Pogo

  163. 163.

    Brachiator

    July 27, 2020 at 1:11 am

    @raven:

    Oh my goodness. Good to hear that your brother recovered from the virus. Best wishes to your cousin.

  164. 164.

    Another Scott

    July 27, 2020 at 1:12 am

    An important thread, for the people who don’t understand what has been done elsewhere, and what can and should be done in the USA. We could beat COVID-19 back in 8 weeks.

    COVID Update July 26: We can virtually eliminate the virus any time we decide to. 1/

    — Andy Slavitt @ ? (@ASlavitt) July 26, 2020

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  165. 165.

    Another Scott

    July 27, 2020 at 1:14 am

    @l3000: It’s probably scammers on Amazon trying to boost their credibility.

    snopes.com/fact-check/china-seed-mailings/

    HTH.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  166. 166.

    Brachiator

    July 27, 2020 at 1:21 am

    @WaterGirl:

    Then I had the chilling thought that he may actually intend to stay in office even if he doesn’t win.  It looks like he’s making the WH a fortress.

    Trump will neither remain in office nor in the White House if he loses the election. And besides, everything could be transferred to Biden’s basement if necessary.

    Also, I get the impression that there is a very efficient and we’ll established procedure to move the former president out and the newly elected president into the White House.

  167. 167.

    James E Powell

    July 27, 2020 at 1:22 am

    Wandering around the internet, ended up on Huffington Post, which I had pretty much forgotten about. Saw this “White Supremacy Shaped American Christianity, Researcher Says” – It’s an interview with Robert Jones, the author of “White Too Long: The Legacy of White Supremacy in American Christianity.”

    Hasn’t this been pretty obvious for a long, long time? Isn’t it common knowledge?

  168. 168.

    l3000

    July 27, 2020 at 1:32 am

    @Another Scott:  Ah. Should have guess that. Thanks for the info.

  169. 169.

    The Lodger

    July 27, 2020 at 1:37 am

    @Matt McIrvin: Cutbacks in urban polling places – see Michigan in 2016 and Kentucky in 2020.

  170. 170.

    Uncle Cosmo

    July 27, 2020 at 7:40 am

    @burnspbesq: As I posted here a few days ago, this “one weird trick” was discovered 50 years ago by striking Johns Hopkins University students when the Baltimore cops came onto campus & lobbed tear gas canisters at them – then retreated in confusion as the canisters came whistling back at them. And further perfected by Terps at U of MD College Park a day or two later.

    At the time of that post I conjectured that lax stix were rare in Oregon. Happy to be wrong!

  171. 171.

    Uncle Cosmo

    July 27, 2020 at 8:07 am

    @joel hanes: IIRC Red Skelton >50 years ago said his momma told him not to take anything too seriously, because “ain’t none of us getting out of this alive.” (paraphrase from memory)

  172. 172.

    Woodrow/asim

    July 27, 2020 at 8:54 am

    @James E Powell:

    Saw this “White Supremacy Shaped American Christianity, Researcher Says” – It’s an interview with Robert Jones, the author of “White Too Long: The Legacy of White Supremacy in American Christianity.”

    Hasn’t this been pretty obvious for a long, long time? Isn’t it common knowledge?

    Even the most obvious questions are worth research and study.

    And frankly? A lot of White folx, I find, are still deeply confused about racism and white supremacy, and how they impact our country — much less their own political views.

    Dr. King’s admonishment of the white moderate in ’63 is still way, way too relevant to these times.

  173. 173.

    Matt McIrvin

    July 27, 2020 at 9:10 am

    @Uncle Cosmo: I know the version from Pogo: “Don’t take life so serious, son. It ain’t nohow permanent.”

  174. 174.

    Rjnerd

    July 27, 2020 at 12:25 pm

    Thanks to all for the kind words.  The thing I wasn’t expecting was how often I stumble onto something, and “I should show this to … crap”..

  175. 175.

    JAFD

    July 27, 2020 at 1:13 pm

    Sending some healing energy in their direction.  Hope they get well soon.

    Take care of yourself, too.

    (Note, this is meant for Raven, at comment #1,  not sure if comments working on my browser, today ? )

  176. 176.

    2liberal

    July 27, 2020 at 5:31 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Then I had the chilling thought that he may actually intend to stay in office even if he doesn’t win.

     

    This is a ridiculous idea.  Once the oath is taken Biden is president (assuming he wins)

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