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As his business competitors could’ve told you any time over the past forty years, Donald Trump has terrible timing. Late July during an election year is absolutely the worst for rolling out a Big New Concept, but hearing all the really important people snub him at Rep. Lewis’ funeral hurt Donny’s ever-sensitive fee-fees. He just *had* to yell out on twitter that Maybe I won’t even let you have your dumb ol’ election, so THERE!!!…

Which not only gave us sane people (Democrats) the chance to point out that (a) we warned you this would happen, and (b) this wasn’t a stunt Trump could pull off with even the faintest shroud of legitimacy… but also required his co-conspirators and other Repubs to disavow their allegiance, as they skittered for cover under the refrigerator from the harsh light of public scrutiny…


Even the FTFNYTimes had to publicly disavow it:

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  2. 2.

    bbleh

    All true, and very nice to see all the Republican Congresscritters finally, oh-so-painfully, forcing out words that approximate some semblance of loyalty to small-d democratic processes and to the Constitution.

    And I would note that today Trump indirectly floated the idea of advancing the date, which shows you how seriously even he takes the whole idea.

    But.

    The whole point of the exercise was distraction.  Distraction from the funeral of John Lewis, and the presence there of the only living former Republican president, along with all the Democratic presidents able to travel, and the remarks there by Barack Obama.  AND distraction from the catastrophic economic news, which is a direct result of his own mismanagement of the COVID epidemic.

    And it worked.

    What led all the coverage? His remarks about delaying the election. Reactions to his remarks about delaying the election. Analyses of his remarks about delaying the election.  After a brief burst, the economic news disappeared almost completely, and Lewis’s funeral was never more than second story.

    Trump has always been the Great Distractor.  And, sad to say, it scored double this time.

  3. 3.

    zhena gogolia

    Yes, I don’t usually agree with Slava, but I like that answer.

    Although I don’t think I’m the most battle-worthy person in the country right now.

  4. 4.

    geg6

    @bbleh:

    This is patently untrue.  I watched two broadcast evening newscasts last night and both led with the Lewis funeral and the remarks there from Bush, Clinton, Pelosi and Obama.  The election story was third on one network and second on the other, both about ten minutes in.  They did good coverage, IMHO.  For them.

  5. 5.

    NotMax

    It’s distraction bait.

    And as Charlie Brown does with the football, the MSM falls for it EVERY TIME.

  6. 6.

    jl

    I thought earlier today Trump suggested we move the election earlier?

    I guess if postponing it didn’t fly, do it earlier before situation gets worse for GOP and Trumpsters?

    Probably will get worse, since GOP decided to take a few weeks to fix economic aid package, after ruin sets in for mass quantities of voters. And several weeks of death, freezer trailer morgues,  and health care system collapse are baked in and unavoidable from AZ, FL and TX (and maybe MO and AR, let’s hope not, but problems brewing there).

  7. 7.

    West of the Rockies

    I hope no Trumpians are allowed back into “polite society”.  No Hamptons parties, no warm embrace in The Four Seasons, no gigs on CNN, no academic posts…  Nothing.  Cancel their collective useless asses.

  8. 8.

    West of the Rockies

    @NotMax:

    Distraction bait, yes, but I hope that with each new ludicrous Tweet, Trump loses a few more voters:  12 in Buttmunch, Oklahoma; 50 in Lake Woebetide, Minnesota… It adds up.

  9. 9.

    trollhattan

    Some chit going down at Fox.

    James Murdoch, the younger son of media mogul Rupert Murdoch, has resigned from the board of News Corporation citing “disagreements over editorial content”.

    In a filing to US regulators, he said he also disagreed with some “strategic decisions” made by the company.

    The exact nature of the disagreements was not detailed.

    But Mr Murdoch has previously criticised News Corp outlets, which include the Wall Street Journal, for climate change coverage.

    Rupert Murdoch, News Corp’s executive chairman, and his other son Lachlan, co-chairman, wished James well in a joint statement.

    “We’re grateful to James for his many years of service to the company,” the statement said. “We wish him the very best in his future endeavours.”

    Representatives of Mr Murdoch and his wife Kathryn have acknowledged the couple’s “frustration” with coverage of the subject by some of most influential Murdoch-owned news brands, including Fox News.

    Are they mad because Chris Wallace made Trump look dumb?

  10. 10.

    Chyron HR

    This is my fear: What happens if Trump loses but refuses to accept the results and calls out his heavily armed supporters into the streets?

    Then the legitimate government of the United States publicly executes them.  Your move, Orangina.

  11. 11.

    PsiFighter37

    @trollhattan: Pretty sure I read somewhere that James Murdoch and his wife have made the maximum donation to the DNC this year…pretty sure that he decided to finally cut ties with the dark side, once and for all.

  13. 13.

    zhena gogolia

    @geg6:

    Yeah, I get tired of this whole “distraction” argument. We do have to pay attention to what the President of the United States says, no matter what a sorry-ass dementia-riddled crook he may be.

  16. 16.

    bbleh

    @geg6: Good point.  I should say print / web / social media coverage.  Some TV DID run the funeral first.  Good pictures, lots of pageantry.  I sit corrected.

  18. 18.

    MattF

    Trump’s plan is to stand on his highchair and scream ‘I made poopy.’ And, yeah, it’s distracting. So?

  20. 20.

    RSA

    Jonathan Turley is doubling down:

    Some are wrongly conflating two equally irresponsible theories by Biden and Trump. It is somehow suggesting that Biden was right all along. He wasn’t. He was suggesting that Trump could unilaterally stop the election or use the Postal Service to steal it.

    How transparently dishonest can Turley be? Biden said, “Mark my words, I think he is going to try to kick back the election somehow, and come up with some rationale why it cannot be held.” Biden wasn’t “suggesting that Trump could“, rather that he would try.  Some people are so far beyond shame it makes me mad.

  21. 21.

    bbleh

    @Major Major Major Major: Yeah not clear that it helps him, only that it’s an irresistible shiny object for the media — and in this case the online political commentariat even more so.  And I don’t think he thinks it through, past the almost reflexive understanding that it will steal the spotlight for him.  In fact, in this case, it arguably hurt him.

    But it works.  And — in part because he’s president — people take it seriously, even when it’s just a throwaway mylar balloon.

    Were the media able to think before they ran, they might be able to put things like this in their proper context and position:  a below-the-fold mention of a “spurious claim” by Trump that is patently illegal, something like that.  But they’re not.

  24. 24.

    zhena gogolia

    @RSA:

    I think Villago can tell us what Turley’s tumbrel number is right now, I’ve lost track.

  25. 25.

    A Ghost to Most

    Praising Slava Malumud’s statement is one thing. Being prepared to take him up on it is quite another.

  27. 27.

    Patricia Kayden

    Sigh

    "If you can talk, you can breathe. Chill out," an Arkansas officer told Lionel Morris as he was pinned down in a grocery store.Minutes later, Morris was "pulseless and unresponsive" when medics arrived. He was pronounced dead on his way to the hospital. https://t.co/h98I8FlNtH— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) July 31, 2020

  29. 29.

    Patricia Kayden

    @RSA: Turley is a Trump supporter so of course he can’t tell the truth about what Biden said.  It’s obvious that Trump will try to stop the election.  The fact that he can’t is besides the point.

  30. 30.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @A Ghost to Most: I have frequently found that those who talk the biggest game have nothing behind it.   And what was the old saying?  That the easiest way to spot the police informer in a group was to see who was the loudest advocate of violence.

    IOW fuck off.

  31. 31.

    planetjanet

    @zhena gogolia: That has me rolling on the floor.  You have to watch it multiple times to get all the subtitles like Oompus Loompitica.  His diet is listed as ‘human souls”, his weight as 235+100 lbs.  The diet of Molestus Epstein is listed as dirt.   Brutal

  32. 32.

    senyordave

    I think that Rupert Murdoch has caused an incalculable amount of damage to the world.  I believe he will rot in hell after he dies, but that is not nearly enough punishment.

  33. 33.

    Baud

    FWIW, there are a lot of things I’m concerned about with respect to people’s ability to vote and have their votes counted, and what happens if the election is close. I’m not the least bit concerned about whether Trump refuses to concede an election Biden has clearly won.

  34. 34.

    cmorenc

    A wild card that is not in trump’s control to deal himself but might speculatively be gifted to him if by mid-september,, if the momentum toward a decisive loss appears irreversible, and most especially if turnover of senate control appears increasingly likely – would be if justice clarence thomas decides to retire in time to let trump nominate and the still-gop majority senate confirm his replacement.  Thomas might decidr he doesnt want to stay on the court another 4 to 8 years or longer for another chance to be followed by an ideologically compatible successor – and he would have tremendous leverage to steer the pick to specific candidates

  37. 37.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Baud: Ditto.  If Trump loses the election (which polls show will be the case), he’ll be out of the White House even if he has to be carried out.  My concern is with voter suppression tactics.

  38. 38.

    West of the Rockies

    @senyordave: 

    I don’t know how you go from Jagger to Murdoch. Then again, I’ve never found Jerri Hall to be appealing in any way.

  42. 42.

    Ken

    @Patricia Kayden: I thought Dershowitz was being ostracized because of an Epstein connection. Of course if he’s got a Trump connection he’s also got an Epstein connection.

  44. 44.

    Luciamia

    So we should all jusr chuckle at Trump doing the equivalent of prank phone calls. Great use of your time, Knuckle head.

  46. 46.

    Benw

    Trump doesn’t have the military. No military, no coup.

    Now, if the election’s close, a couple of R state secretaries call their EC votes for Trump – say OH, FL, and AZ – even if the media has called the states for Biden or still toss-up, then the lawsuits fly! Trump loooooves to sue. Creeps me out, man

  47. 47.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @zhena gogolia:

    I think Villago can tell us what Turley’s tumbrel number is right now, I’ve lost track.

    he’ll be one of the easiest to catch: Just put a mock CNN camera set up in the cart and he’ll run at it

  51. 51.

    germy

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Karen Bass in 2010 at a ribbon-cutting for a Scientology church:

    “That is why the words are exciting of your Founder L. Rob Hubbard…The Church of Scientology I know has made a difference, because your creed is a universal creed and one that speaks to all people everywhere” pic.twitter.com/EghkCwqHi6

    — Alex Thompson (@AlxThomp) July 31, 2020

    No way she belongs anywhere near Biden. This disqualifies her.

  52. 52.

    James E Powell

    @Patricia Kayden:

    It’s already started with the persecution of Alan Dershowitz.

    Which reminds me. According to my twitter feed last night, the Ghislaine Maxwell documents that the court ordered to be unsealed were going to destroy the Clintons, vindicate Trump, and cause libtards to run & hide. Did that happen and I missed it? Or is it just that the lamestream media refuses to cover it?

  56. 56.

    Spanky

    @WaterGirl:
    I’m second to no one in their mocking of Scientology but it was just a frickin’ ribbon cutting, and in the quote she says “your founder”.

    Nothingburger, imo.

     

    Eta : Bass has no chance at vp anyhow.

  58. 58.

    Kent

    @James E Powell:Which reminds me. According to my twitter feed last night, the Ghislaine Maxwell documents that the court ordered to be unsealed were going to destroy the Clintons, vindicate Trump, and cause libtards to run & hide. Did that happen and I missed it? Or is it just that the lamestream media refuses to cover it?

    Vindicate Trump?   On what charge?

  61. 61.

    Kent

    @Benw:

    Trump doesn’t have the military. No military, no coup.

    Now, if the election’s close, a couple of R state secretaries call their EC votes for Trump – say OH, FL, and AZ – even if the media has called the states for Biden or still toss-up, then the lawsuits fly! Trump loooooves to sue. Creeps me out, man

    I lived through various coup attempts in Guatemala when I was in the Peace Corps.  To effectively pull off a coup in a modern country you actually have to have the bureaucracy.  That is why Erdoğan has attacked and jailed so many bureaucrats in Turkey.  In Banana Republics, the military often does run their primitive bureaucracies.  That’s not likely to happen in the US.

    And no, Trump doesn’t have the bureaucracy either.  Who is Bill Barr going to complain to when his email and computer access gets turned off, his government cell phones get bricked, and his key-card in the Justice Department stops working?  Multiply that across the Federal bureaucracy.

  62. 62.

    Kent

    @germy: As I said on the other thread.  Bass strikes me as the sort of finalist you put forward to fill out the slate of finalists when you have already picked your candidate but don’t want to admit that you have.  She’s competent and inoffensive. But doesn’t have any real qualities that elevate her to second spot of a political ticket in the most consequential election in any of our lifetimes.

  64. 64.

    joel hanes

    @WaterGirl:

    I’d guess that a majority of elected officials in LA have at one time or another made an appearance or signed an anodyne statement that implicitly treats Scientology as a legitimate religion.  It’s one of Scientology’s most important PR strategies, promulgated by Hubbard himself, and is quite successful.

  68. 68.

    Elizabelle

    @trollhattan:   I wonder if James wants to get clear of the numerous lawsuits that I hope are coming Fox’s way for sabotaging US coronavirus response.

    It does appear he is not on board with them politically.  But, until today, he was still with “Bag o’ Glass”, making bank off selling bad stuff to [superannuated] children.

  69. 69.

    lofgren

    Republicans on the record opposing a delay! Well thank goodness! They’ve never changed their position based on political convenience before, so this almost certainly wouldn’t be the first time!

  71. 71.

    Yutsano

    @WaterGirl: She had a bit of a Marxist streak when she was younger.  She also had some nice words for Fidel when he passed. She’s trying to walk them back now but yeah she’s a no go.

    EDIT: and yes I’m going back to too old. Vetting two California politicians is almost like playing your hand early.

  73. 73.

    James E Powell

    @Baud:

    For me, that shows that they are desperate for an anti-Democrat any Democrat story to “balance” the coverage.

  74. 74.

    cmorenc

    @West of the Rockies:

    I don’t know how you go from Jagger to Murdoch. Then again, I’ve never found Jerri Hall to be appealing in any way.

    Men with great wealth to support her in the expensive lifestyle she would like to sustain is her primary aphrodisiac.  For raw animal sex, there’s always the handsomely fit 25 year old pool boy.

  76. 76.

    Elizabelle

    I think Karen Bass just has some kind of well-placed cheering section.  I truly do not see what she brings to the ticket that other a few candidates do not improve on.

    This is not the time to break in someone with little national name recognition.

    That said, I always thought Biden was a “placeholder” until the actual presumptive nominee appeared.  So, take anything with a grain of salt.

    I’m not even reading about it.  Too much conjecture.

  78. 78.

    dmsilev

    @Elizabelle:

    I’m not even reading about it.  Too much conjecture.

    Basically, yeah. I’m sure the decision has either been made or is down to the last two or three choices. All of us on the outside, which includes the media, “people close to the Biden campaign”, etc., are just whiling away the time until the choice is actually announced sometime in the next week.

  79. 79.

    Frankensteinbeck

    That tweet wasn’t a deliberate distraction.  Geez, people.  Trump did what he has always done, which is what toxic narcissists always do.  He publicly whined that if he’s losing, someone is cheating.  That the rules should be bent in some insane way to ensure he wins because that’s the only fair way to do things.  Trump is a WATB.  No further explanation required.

    What happens if Trump loses but refuses to accept the results and calls out his heavily armed supporters into the streets?

    We point and laugh at him when they don’t show up.  They’re heavily armed BECAUSE they’re chickenshits.

    @James E Powell:

    Did that happen and I missed it?

    They think it happened!  The accuser quoted said that she never personally saw Trump and Epstein together, and that she did personally see Clinton visit Epstein’s private island.  She did not have any knowledge of Clinton having sex with anyone.  Many, many people (Oprah) have visited Epstein’s island who are unlikely to have done it to indulge pedophilia.  Still, Trump didn’t molest her and Bill Clinton was somewhere in the vicinity, so they’re sure it’s game, set, match.

  81. 81.

    jl

    @Elizabelle: I think Biden looked like a placeholder, and acted like one at times during the primary, but he has potential to be much more, even if he signals probably only one term.

    For VP, Warren, Harris, Duckworth all fine.

    I wonder why some dinosaur centrists like  Rendell are dumping on Harris, from what I read in the twitterverse of political gossip. My uninformed guess is that even Harris has potential to be too progressive for people like Rendell. I think Harris is more moderate than progressive, but she was only primary candidate with the rep of being moderate who was willing to set specific minimum standards for progress and getting good substantial reforms done, unlike others who mouthed vague slogans and platitudes.

    For health care, I think Harris was only moderate who finally said that private insurance had to play by exact same rules as public option in future legislation to improve PPACA, or they  had to pack up and go. But, she firmed up her proposals on too many things too late for her campaign.

    IMHO, which might not be that informed.

  82. 82.

    bucachon

    Since this is the thread of fears here’s mine:

    Trump becomes the first president to pardon himself on January 19th. He gets to “distract” attention from Biden and his own loss AND he avoids the investigations and prosecution that he so surely is facing otherwise

  83. 83.

    James E Powell

    @Elizabelle:

    If the women whose names are in the public discussion have all been considered for VP, that’s a good thing. If Biden & his staff want to give every African American woman who might arguably fill the spot a serious look, then that’s a good thing. No?

    A happy side effect might be that the public profiles of these women might be raised.

  85. 85.

    jl

    @Baud: ” Bill denies being in the island at all though. ”

    The plane! The plane!

    (sorry couldn’t resist, but only thing I remember from that show, I think only thing I ever watched)

  87. 87.

    Baud

    @jl: Ricardo Montalban was the man.

    Clinton admits he used the plane for Clinton Foundation trips.  He denies going to the island however.

  90. 90.

    jl

    @James E Powell: Bass seems solid on policy substance. Can she campaign?

    One problem I have with Harris is sometimes she is not very quick on her feet when she gets standard campaign BS questions that she should anticipate. Like ‘you were mean to Biden during a debate, so why would you be his VP pick!!??” Stupid question, but you have to answer it, and know how to do so with appropriate combination of good humor, condescension, and scorn it deserves. IIRC, in a recent interview, Harris just repeated ‘Well, it was a debate’.

    OTOH, no one can do serious, but not debbie downer, I’m gonna kick some political ass bigtime, and I’m coming 1000 percent correct as well as Harris. I think she will mop up Pence in a debate, if Trumpsters have the guts to show up.

    I guess the net is what mix of those two will she have to do during campaign?

    Only one I am really dubious about is Rice.

  92. 92.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @cmorenc:

    For raw animal sex, there’s always the handsomely fit 25 year old pool boy.

    Or, if she lost her glasses, a forty-five year-old chauffeur, or a step-son who’s really pissed at his father.

  94. 94.

    Yutsano

    @geg6: Ah yes. The religion L.Ron Hubbard founded so he would never have to pay taxes again. Don’t ever mention that to a Scientologist though. It tends to make them upset.

  100. 100.

    jl

    @Baud: The political white man geezer brigade must lead us forever!

    Look at how much they’ve done for us in Congress over the last 4 years.

  108. 108.

    Kropacetic

    @Baud: No, then Dodd would be empowered to name himself nominee.

    Also, after hearing Dodd and Rendell’s opinions on the VP matter, I am very eager to never hear either of their opinions on anything ever again.

  120. 120.

    TS (the original)

    @RSA:

    How transparently dishonest can Turley be?

    He is a republican – dishonesty is their trademark

  129. 129.

    Kent

    @bucachon:

    Since this is the thread of fears here’s mine:

    Trump becomes the first president to pardon himself on January 19th. He gets to “distract” attention from Biden and his own loss AND he avoids the investigations and prosecution that he so surely is facing otherwise

    That doesn’t get him out of any state crimes, which are legion if they start poking into his state taxes.

  131. 131.

    NotMax

    @Kent

    It also removes the shield of the 5th Amendment should he be called as a witness in the trial(s) of others.

  132. 132.

    MazeDancer

    @WaterGirl:

    That video may not just lose Bass the VP pick, it could lose her House re-election.

    And Rendell and Dodd better get sidelined soon.

  134. 134.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Kent:

    And he’ll fuck it up.  Somehow, Trump will completely, totally, ‘how can anyone be this stupid’ fuck up his attempt to use his Presidential power to protect himself from prosecution later.

  135. 135.

    randy khan

    @geg6:

    The good news is that Trump is a coward and the vast majority of his belligerent supporters are cosplay warriors.  So it’s close to certain that if he loses he’ll just whine about how unfair the election was and not do anything.  Making that look pathetic and embarrassing is one more reason to work to make the margin as big as possible.

  136. 136.

    Anne Laurie

    @germy: To quote an old political maxim:  Those who know, don’t tell; those who tell, don’t know.

    I trust Biden and his team to make a good choice, and all the choices I’m seeing touted are good-to-excellent.

    (Frankly, I’m just glad nobody seems to be talking about my senior Senator any more — Warren can do much more good right now in the Senate, IMO.)

  137. 137.

    Kent

    @MazeDancer:

    @WaterGirl:

    That video may not just lose Bass the VP pick, it could lose her House re-election.

    And Rendell and Dodd better get sidelined soon.

    Bass is in the safest of safe seats.  In 2018 she won her primary with 89% of the vote and was reelected to a fifth term with 88% of the vote.  She’s not going anywhere.

    But yes, WTF are old dinosaurs like Rendell and Dodd doing on the search committee in the first place?

  138. 138.

    Uncle Cholmondeley

    @jl: I thought earlier today Trump suggested we move the election earlier?

    Is next Tuesday available?  Cause that’s okay with me.

  139. 139.

    J R in WV

    @Patricia Kayden:

    It’s already started with the persecution of Alan Dershowitz.

    I don’t see that Mr Dershowitz is being persecuted at all. Not even prosecuted, so far. Though that may change before Alan Dershowitz dies. All it takes is a couple of witnesses with stories that agree about what Dershowitz did/

  140. 140.

    Yutsano

    @J R in WV: I’m thinking she missed the air quotes there. Mr. Dershowitz is in no way being persecuted. But methinks the counselor doth protest too much.

    EDIT: Vowel trouble. Which is like pronoun trouble but much less interesting.

  141. 141.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    @Kent: Folk here also have to remember that Scientology is headquartered here in LA.  I’d bet you could find nice things said about them by my Congressman since their HQ is in his district, The Fighting 28th!

  143. 143.

    Anne Laurie

    @Kent: WTF are old dinosaurs like Rendell and Dodd doing on the search committee in the first place?

    Same thing all the elderly cardinals are doing every time a new pope is elected:  Confirming the continuity of The Institution.

    Normal people don’t worry about that, but the Media Village Idiots would be deeply concerned if the Dinosaur-American portion of the Democratic party didn’t certify Biden’s pick, whoever she turns out to be, as “correctly vetted.”

  144. 144.

    randy khan

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    And he’ll fuck it up.  Somehow, Trump will completely, totally, ‘how can anyone be this stupid’ fuck up his attempt to use his Presidential power to protect himself from prosecution later.

    He’ll forget to sign it until he’s on the plane to Mar a Lago after the inauguration.

  145. 145.

    ballerat

    @trollhattan: It’s nice to know that the Fox News lies and disinformation and propaganda has created a split their own family. That shit certainly has caused rifts in many other American families.

  146. 146.

    Ken

    @randy khan: Or the people in charge of presidential records accidentally destroy the pardon. You know – those guys  who keep having to tape together official papers after Trump tears them up.

  148. 148.

    PsiFighter37

    @MazeDancer: Eh – skeptical of losing reelection.

    That said, someone on the Biden team did a piss-poor job of vetting if this was not uncovered earlier. Nobody wants anyone with the taint of fucking Scientology on the ticket.

  149. 149.

    phdesmond

    @Anne Laurie: her persistence in that post also makes possible the continued description of ed markey as “the junior senator from massachusetts.”

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