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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Repubs in Disarray! Open Thread: Not HEROES Supporters, *But*…

Repubs in Disarray! Open Thread: Not HEROES Supporters, *But*…

by Anne Laurie|  August 4, 202010:30 pm| 131 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Republican Stupidity, Republican Venality, Republicans in Disarray!, Show Us on the Doll Where the Invisible Hand Touched You

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WASHINGTON (AP) — A small but singularly influential group is a driving force for an agreement on a stalled coronavirus relief bill: Endangered Senate GOP incumbents who need to win this fall if Republicans are going to retain control of the majority. https://t.co/q3CxnYAB0d

— Jonathan Lemire (@JonLemire) August 5, 2020

To paraphrase an old quote, the prospect of being voted out in November concentrates a legistlator’s mind wonderfully… but not to much purpose:

… Confronted with a poisonous political environment, vulnerable Senate Republicans are rushing to endorse generous jobless benefits, child care grants, and more than $100 billion to help schools reopen. Several of them are refusing to allow the Senate to adjourn until Washington delivers a deal to their desperate constituents.

Sen. Martha McSally, who has fallen behind in polls in Arizona, is breaking with conservatives to endorse a temporary extension of a $600 per week supplemental benefits. Republicans up for reelection such as John Cornyn of Texas and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina are demanding results before returning home to campaign. And Sen. Susan Collins is in overdrive, backing help for cash-starved states and local governments — and Maine’s shipbuilding industry.

The opinions of senators up for reelection are of more consequence to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell than those held by conservatives like Ted Cruz, R-Texas, and Pat Toomey, R-Pa., who are broadcasting their opposition to the emerging legislation as costly and ineffective. As other Republicans gripe that they’re going to have to swallow a deal brokered by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., the vulnerable Republicans are craving just such a bipartisan result…

every congressional democrat: here, we've done all the homework, we've done all the math, all we need to do is pass this bill that will help tens of millions of americans.

mcconnell: lol, democrats are bad

every major newspaper: congress fails again

— golikehellmachine (@golikehellmachi) August 3, 2020


This is big.

Mitch McConnell opens door to $600 unemployment benefit extension https://t.co/j0e6j5P1aa

— Victoria Brownworth #SaveTheUSPostOffice (@VABVOX) August 5, 2020

#MoscowMitch is lying, of course — it’s what comes easiest — but the fact he feels the need to lie is IMO significant:

… At his weekly Senate Republican leadership press conference, McConnell was asked about Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s appearing to draw a red line on the weekly federal supplement and whether he could support a negotiated spending package containing it.

“Wherever this thing settles between the president of the United States and his team, who has to sign it into law, and the Democrat, not insignificant minority in the Senate and majority in the House, is something I’m prepared to support,” McConnell told reporters. “Even if I have some problems with certain parts of it.”…

this is actually a pretty great piece on what’s going on with the senate. spoiler: mcconnell sounds exactly as lazy and disconnected as you think he is.

bonus: i remain convinced that mnuchin is the only normal cabinet official who understands how things work. https://t.co/J6tJwe2FSY pic.twitter.com/4cMtuETxe4

— golikehellmachine (@golikehellmachi) August 4, 2020

in mnuchin’s case, he’s recognized that mcconnell is a waste of his time, because mcconnell has no real control of his caucus. tillerson and mattis were the latter, though.

— golikehellmachine (@golikehellmachi) August 4, 2020

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  1. 1.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2020 at 10:37 pm

    My Name Is, Apparently, Karen, SO PUT YOUR FUCKING MASK ON RIGHT!!!!!! 1

  2. 2.

    Baud

    August 4, 2020 at 10:37 pm

    The Dems demand HEROES.

    The GOP responds with ZEROS.

  3. 3.

    dmsilev

    August 4, 2020 at 10:38 pm

    As other Republicans gripe that they’re going to have to swallow a deal brokered by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., the vulnerable Republicans are craving just such a bipartisan result…

    Not to give tactical advice to the GOP (and not that they’d listen to the likes of me anyway), but they might have had a somewhat better bargaining position if they had made some effort to come to some sort of consensus during the two and a half months that they instead let slip by while hoping that Donald Trump would bring the virus under control. Of course, that would have required work and some desire to actually govern rather than just whistle while the country burns, so never mind.
    Now they’ve got the worst of both worlds. Whatever passes will be the result of Mnuchin negotiating with Pelosi and Schumer, and the Democratic challengers in Maine and Arizona and so forth have had two months of beating on the incumbents like they were piñatas.

  4. 4.

    Ken

    August 4, 2020 at 10:39 pm

    When it comes to a vote, part of me wants Senate Democrats to wait and make the Republicans cast their votes first. That way you get them all on the record, and you make sure there’s enough “yes” votes to pass.

  5. 5.

    different-church-lady

    August 4, 2020 at 10:41 pm

    Open Thread question: I refuse to click on any of the bait, be it those damn ads nor WaPo headlines, so I gotta ask here — in 10 words or less, just what did Ellen DeG do?

  6. 6.

    different-church-lady

    August 4, 2020 at 10:43 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    THE BEATINGS CALLOUS DISREGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORAL ELECTION PROSPECTS IMPROVE.

  7. 7.

    Baud

    August 4, 2020 at 10:45 pm

    @different-church-lady: 
    She knows what she did.

  8. 8.

    cintibud

    August 4, 2020 at 10:45 pm

    Here in Cincinnati we see traitor tortoise’s commercials. His latest has “ordinary” Kentuckians complaining how Pelosi held the last stimulus “hostage” and how Mitch forged a “bi-partisan” coalition to get it passed.

    Puke

  9. 9.

    Mary G

    August 4, 2020 at 10:46 pm

    @Ken: I’m sure it’s already all gamed out that all the Democrats and independents vote yes, which is 47, then the four most endangered Republicans – McSally, Collins, Gardener and Joni Ernst also vote yes reluctantly while the other 49 Rs bleat about the deficit.

    ETA: to me the biggest question is how you keep someone – looking at you, Rand Paul – from filibustering the deal.  Then even more Rs have to vote to at least bring it up to the floor.

  10. 10.

    ChrisS

    August 4, 2020 at 10:46 pm

    @dmsilev: indeed. It’s not like voting for a Pelosi/Schumer Bill is going to save the asses of McSally & Collins or Gardner at this point. It really only gives them a small chance.

    another example of why a party of no can’t lead.

  11. 11.

    different-church-lady

    August 4, 2020 at 10:46 pm

    @Baud: Yeah, but I’M NOT HER.

  12. 12.

    dmsilev

    August 4, 2020 at 10:47 pm

    @different-church-lady: It was pretty bad.

    Ellen: ‘I Never Intended To Make Staff Feel Unsafe By Wearing A Bloodied Ram Skull And Stalking Them With A Hatchet’

    BURBANK, CA—Responding to allegations of mistreating employees on the set of her talk show, television host Ellen DeGeneres issued a public apology Thursday, stating “I never intended to make staff feel unsafe by wearing a bloodied ram skull and stalking them with a hatchet.” “If anyone ever felt hurt when I threw them up against a wall, held the blade to their neck, and screamed, ‘I will fucking kill you,’ I’m sorry,” said DeGeneres, who expressed her heartfelt concern for any role she may have played in creating a workplace environment in which horrified employees cowered on their hands and knees as she randomly bashed in their desks. “The idea that any member of my hardworking team would feel afraid as I drank wine out of a hollow femur and shrieked that I would come for anyone who dared threaten my sole dominance over this studio is deeply disturbing to me. It was clearly never my intention to intimidate anyone by saying, ‘I’m going to chop off your head and piss on your corpse.’ I feel terrible for the way this has been misconstrued.” At press time, DeGeneres had pulled a flail out of her jacket and apologized for what she was about to do to her publicist.

  13. 13.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 4, 2020 at 10:48 pm

    @different-church-lady: We don’t know that.

  14. 14.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2020 at 10:48 pm

    @different-church-lady: Apparently she’s toxic to her staff when the cameras aren’t running. And when the staff approached her about it, she turned it into all about herself and how none of them appreciated her, what she’s done and is doing for them, etc.

  15. 15.

    Baud

    August 4, 2020 at 10:49 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I just assumed she was Taylor Swift.

  16. 16.

    different-church-lady

    August 4, 2020 at 10:49 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Christ, is that all?

  17. 17.

    Baud

    August 4, 2020 at 10:50 pm

    @different-church-lady: Yes. She was your average boss.

  18. 18.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 4, 2020 at 10:50 pm

    @dmsilev: Damn, that’s some straight up Visigoth shit.

  19. 19.

    Mary G

    August 4, 2020 at 10:51 pm

    Ooh!

    'Wild Seed': Viola Davis Developing Adaptation Of Octavia Butler Novel At Amazon, Scripted By Nnedi Okorafor And Wanuri Kahiu https://t.co/gIF7SLVKRB— WomenFilmmakersofColor (@WomenFilmOfColr) August 5, 2020

    Nnedi Okorafor is a brilliant writer.

  20. 20.

    different-church-lady

    August 4, 2020 at 10:51 pm

    @Baud: Why — what did she do?

  21. 21.

    Baud

    August 4, 2020 at 10:52 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Visigoths get a bad rap.

  22. 22.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 4, 2020 at 10:52 pm

    @Baud: You know what happens when you assume.

  23. 23.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 4, 2020 at 10:52 pm

    @Baud: I was saying it with respect.

  24. 24.

    Mallard FIlmore

    August 4, 2020 at 10:53 pm

    @different-church-lady: I caught only a snippet of reporting on this, and it involves a hostile work environment.  Not by Ellen, but by backstage people or producers of her show.  Or something.

  25. 25.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2020 at 10:54 pm

    @different-church-lady: There are two things that everyone needs to understand and keep in mind. I fully expect the political journalists to keep purposefully missing it.

    1. McConnell isn’t flailing, McConnell does NOT believe that the Federal government should be doing any of these things. Not unemployment in general, let alone a top up to deal with the current crisis. Not bailing out and backstopping states. Not bailing out and backstopping municipalities. He also doesn’t really believe that states and municipalities should be providing these things. Nor does he believe the Senate should really be legislating at all other than things like cutting taxes no matter what is going on with the economy, passing the Defense budget, and pork and other benefits for his wealthy donors and benefactors. McConnell does not believe in providing for the general welfare because he doesn’t believe in the general welfare. So it isn’t that he’s doing nothing, rather he is doing exactly what he believes he should be doing.  And he’s doing that very effectively.
    2. As is the case with every other pain point since 2009, McConnell is not engaged in a negotiation, good faith or otherwise. Rather, McConnell is holding a hostage and will consider releasing him if everyone else capitulates to his demands. Simply, McConnell doesn’t negotiate, he makes demands and then just sits tight until everyone capitulates to him. It has worked very effectively for him for the past 11 years.
  26. 26.

    Mike in NC

    August 4, 2020 at 10:54 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Adam, when I was Main Propulsion Assistant I had that same sign posted in the Main Control space on my guided missile destroyer back in the 1980s, as well as another one that read, “Are we having fun yet?”. The guys in the firerooms and engine rooms always got a chuckle from them during a brutal six month deployment to the Persian Gulf.

  27. 27.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2020 at 10:55 pm

    @Mary G:

    I’m sure it’s already all gamed out that all the Democrats and independents vote yes, which is 47, then the four most endangered Republicans – McSally, Collins, Gardener and Joni Ernst also vote yes reluctantly while the other 49 Rs bleat about the deficit.

    This is not enough votes to clear the 60 vote cloture threshold.

  28. 28.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2020 at 10:56 pm

    @ChrisS: They have no intention to lead, nor a desire to do so. Same with governing. They seek solely to rule.

  29. 29.

    Mallard FIlmore

    August 4, 2020 at 10:58 pm

    @Mallard FIlmore: Humph.  I got it all wrong.  I shouldn’t read Balloon-Juice and watch TV at the same time.

  30. 30.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2020 at 10:58 pm

    @Mike in NC: It is one of the truest aphorisms ever aphorismed.

  31. 31.

    Baud

    August 4, 2020 at 11:00 pm

    @Mallard FIlmore:

    I shouldn’t read Balloon-Juice and watch TV at the same time

    At least you didn’t accuse Ellen of skull fucking a kitten.

  32. 32.

    debbie

    August 4, 2020 at 11:00 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    More like a few senior staff members engaged in sexual harassment of assistants, complaints were lodged, but Ellen was too involved with herself to help them. Or so I heard it reported on NPR over the weekend.

  33. 33.

    Mike in NC

    August 4, 2020 at 11:01 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Adam, I had that sign posted in Main Control when I was the Main Propulsion Assistant on a guided missile destroyer in the 1980s, as well as one that read, “Are we having fun yet?” during a brutal six month deployment to the Persian Gulf. The guys in the firerooms and engine rooms always got a chuckle out of that.

  34. 34.

    cintibud

    August 4, 2020 at 11:06 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: You mean the McConnell ads I’m seeing aren’t true? My gob is smacked!

  35. 35.

    piratedan

    August 4, 2020 at 11:08 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: which means the bill sits until additional GOP Senators feel threatened enough to revolt… if we count McSally, Gardner, Collins, Ernst in the terrified camp, I assume that we would also need to see the gentleman from Montana, South Carolina, the two folks from Georgia, the gentleman from Alaska also feeling threatened and tbf, as you’ve characterised McConnell, there may be no fucks to give. Even if he’s shown the door, he’s rich, he can sail off into the sunset and likely grab some easy sinecure that involves hating POC and looking disdainful.  Why should McConnell give a fuck?  He’s got his and as they game is played, its highly unlikely that his marker ever gets called in.

  36. 36.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2020 at 11:09 pm

    @cintibud: You may want to sit down if you’re feeling faint.

  37. 37.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 4, 2020 at 11:09 pm

    I don’t watch TDS anymore, but this is good

    @TheDailyShow
    Fox News is onto something here… he is NOT okay

  38. 38.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2020 at 11:10 pm

    Trump's latest interview vs monty python parrot sketch pic.twitter.com/GKlpNF4ffB

    — Darren Dutton (@Darren_Dutton) August 4, 2020

  39. 39.

    different-church-lady

    August 4, 2020 at 11:11 pm

    I think we finally have all the proof we need that half of Rose Twitter is actually in the tank for Trump and they don’t even feel like disguising it anymore:

    https://twitter.com/HueofJoe/status/1290401364607148034

    For those who don’t want to get out of the boat: this fellow tweets a screen shot of Bernie’s Ten Reasons to “pull together” (he doesn’t even mention Biden) — you know, the list where all ten things are “Trump is (horrible in ways X, Y, Z, AA, etc.)”. And the responses are things like….

    I feel so betrayed every time I see him tweet this kind of crap

    Wow I avoided even looking at this. This sucks. I’m actually pissed off.

    Sure would be more effective if they were running someone against Trump who wasn’t literally all these things also

    Huge bummer and let down and now we got no hope at all!

    Bernie spends 10 tweets kicking Trump in the teeth and his biggest fans are like, “HOW CAN YOU BETRAY US LIKE THIS??2?

  40. 40.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2020 at 11:11 pm

    @piratedan: He will not go away. He’s already announced that if the GOP loses the majority that he will remain as minority leader and then bring them back into the majority in 2022.

  41. 41.

    chopper

    August 4, 2020 at 11:12 pm

    @Baud:

    hey they’re way better than those goddamn invisigoths. never see those guys comin’.

  42. 42.

    different-church-lady

    August 4, 2020 at 11:12 pm

    @Baud: NEITHER DID I!!! Wait, I think I’ve lost the thread here…

  43. 43.

    frosty

    August 4, 2020 at 11:13 pm

    OK, back on topic :-)

    those [opinions] held by conservatives like Ted Cruz, R-Texas, and Pat Toomey, R-Pa., who are broadcasting their opposition to the emerging legislation as costly and ineffective.

    Fucking Toomey. A hedge fund millionaire whining about costly legislation that will save his constituents. Time for my weekly call to tell him to get his head out of his ass and vote for HEROES.

    ETA: Enough politics for tonight. Time to get back to The Coming Plague and finish it so I can return it to the library for the next person waiting in line.

  44. 44.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 4, 2020 at 11:16 pm

    The Daily Show comes up with a good teaser.

    And this is a modern tale.

    I see we got allies

  45. 45.

    Alison Rose

    August 4, 2020 at 11:16 pm

    @different-church-lady: In addition to the things others have mentioned, there was also the issue that her staff were left in the dark for weeks about their pay and benefits during shutdown, and that nonunion workers were brought in to replace some people. Folks were getting reduced pay or not even being told what they’d be paid, etc. To me, that’s shitty no matter what, but with someone like Ellen who is massively wealthy and could easily have paid everyone out of her own damn pocket, it’s even worse.

    She also “joked” that being on lockdown was like being in jail…………in her fucking mansion with probably a whole fleet of servants to supply her and shit.

  46. 46.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2020 at 11:17 pm

    @different-church-lady: Half of Rose Twitter lives in St. Petersberg and Moscow. Another 1/4 lives in Albania, Macedonia, and Kazakhstan. The remaining 1/4 is made up of people who think Jeremy Corbyn is right and any minute now will get the chance to be Prime Minister, that Nina Turner is going to be chosen to be the VP nominee, and that Michael Moore and Susan Sarandon are geniuses and their every utterances should be followed, including voting for some whack job third party rather than Biden because Biden is really worse than the President, and the remainder are, I suppose, good people.

  47. 47.

    dmsilev

    August 4, 2020 at 11:17 pm

    @different-church-lady: I found this nugget a few tweets down in that thread:

    yup, worst thing about bernie, he was a democrat all along

  48. 48.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2020 at 11:18 pm

    @frosty: Make sure to wipe it down with a clorox wipe before you return it!

  49. 49.

    different-church-lady

    August 4, 2020 at 11:18 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: And every single one of them hopes Trump proves their brains are not full of worms.

  50. 50.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 4, 2020 at 11:18 pm

    Oh shit!

    Russthuglican Trump Trash in Disarray in italics!

    This should be good! (and depressing because the GOP has been a POS for my entire life.  Oh to have two competent national parties!)

  51. 51.

    Uncle Omar

    August 4, 2020 at 11:19 pm

    To  paraphrase some folks from the Sixties…”Hey, hey, Donnie J, How many folks did you kill today?”  I believe that 150 people chanting this in Black Lives Matter Plaza in DC every morning at 8:00 AM would have a salutary effect.  By, perhaps, driving the Interloper in Chief mad(der.)

  52. 52.

    Nicole

    August 4, 2020 at 11:20 pm

    @different-church-lady: Here: Yahoo gives a pretty good timeline:

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ellen-degeneres-bad-press-timeline-nice-reputation-turned-toxic-004709044.html

    And there’s a link in the article to a Buzzfeed piece about the harassment by staffers.

  53. 53.

    cintibud

    August 4, 2020 at 11:20 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: “This is not enough votes to clear the 60 vote cloture threshold”

    Please excuse my ignorance – who decides when to filibuster a bill, McConnell? Will he throw the endangered senators under the bus even if that means he loses his majority? Or can anyone say they will filibuster and force a 60 vote supermajority? I know Ron Paul did a talking filibuster some time ago but that was just a show that only lasted 24 hrs and I don’t know if that could morph into a true blockage

  54. 54.

    different-church-lady

    August 4, 2020 at 11:22 pm

    @Nicole: Yeah, yeah, thanks, but I said I wasn’t going to click on any of the bait.

  55. 55.

    frosty

    August 4, 2020 at 11:22 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: eBook, so, lemme see… I can shine a flashlight on the screen, there’s some UV in there, right, yeah, that’s the ticket. I’ll disinfect it like some say the experts recommend! Yeah, in two weeks, tops!

  56. 56.

    Nicole

    August 4, 2020 at 11:24 pm

    @different-church-lady: It’s not bait; it’s just an article about it.  It’ll take less time to read it than to piece it together from comments here.  Not that the commenters here aren’t excellent, but it’s not just her; it’s the show environment, too.  It’s a lot.

  57. 57.

    different-church-lady

    August 4, 2020 at 11:24 pm

    @frosty: Just have it drink bleach.

  58. 58.

    different-church-lady

    August 4, 2020 at 11:25 pm

    @Nicole: If it’s Yahoo, it’s bait. I got all I needed from the abstracts here. Do ‘preciate the effort though.

  59. 59.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2020 at 11:25 pm

    @cintibud: Unless the rules are waived, all actions of the entire Senate move on unanimous consent. If one senator objects, then the rules stipulate that the issue must either be withdrawn or move to a vote on whether to have a vote. This vote on whether to have a vote is cloture and the threshold to proceed is 60 votes. For things like movements to adjourn or recess, the Senate would remove immediately to that vote and if it passes they then move immediately to the simple majority vote. For legislation, the Senate first moves to three days of debate on the floor followed by the vote. If 60 or more senators vote in favor, then after 24 to 48 more hours of debate depending on the issue before the Senate, the Senate then holds a simple majority vote.

    So there may be enough to pass on a simple majority, but I doubt there is enough to clear the cloture “voting on whether to actually vote” vote.

  60. 60.

    piratedan

    August 4, 2020 at 11:26 pm

    its primary day in some places… hearing whispers that Kobach’s bid to be the GOP  Senate nominee are going down and the KS Congressman who engaged in voting fraud got ousted in his primary.

    also Sheriff Joe is neck and neck in the GOP Primary to be the top cop in Maricopa County again….

  61. 61.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 4, 2020 at 11:26 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: He’s misreading the room and in line for a new title, Former Senator McConnell.

  62. 62.

    Alison Rose

    August 4, 2020 at 11:27 pm

    @different-church-lady: Why is it “bait” if it’s a news article about the thing you want to know about?

  63. 63.

    Nicole

    August 4, 2020 at 11:27 pm

    @different-church-lady: You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.

  64. 64.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 4, 2020 at 11:28 pm

    ER doc gets all Sarah Cooper inspired snarky on the Brian Williams program. Holds up a home-made “How to ‘Rona, by Science” manual, in response to trump’s claim that books and manuals argue that you can test too much. I’m sure it will go viral soon.

  65. 65.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 4, 2020 at 11:29 pm

    A little laugh is always worth it.

  66. 66.

    frosty

    August 4, 2020 at 11:33 pm

    @different-church-lady: Good plan. Dunno about COVID but check out this factoid from the book:

    The CDC was forced to conclude that Cryptosporidium oocyts are resistant to disinfection by chlorine. … US EPA laboratory studies later showed that the Milwaukee strain could actually live on Clorox.

  67. 67.

    different-church-lady

    August 4, 2020 at 11:35 pm

    @Nicole:  ALL OF YAHOO IS CLICK BAIT!!1! WHY CAN’T PEOPLE SEE THE INHERENT TRUTH OF THIS CURMUDGEONLY STATEMENT??2?

  68. 68.

    cintibud

    August 4, 2020 at 11:36 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Thanks Adam, I think I knew that at some time but this year has totally scrambled my brain

  69. 69.

    Nicole

    August 4, 2020 at 11:37 pm

    @different-church-lady: Okay, I’m going to get off your lawn now and turn down that crap that I call music.

  70. 70.

    different-church-lady

    August 4, 2020 at 11:38 pm

    @Nicole: AND PICK UP YOUR GODDAMNED WENDY’S WRAPPERS!!1!

  71. 71.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2020 at 11:39 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: He will most likely be reelected. And he will most likely keep a one seat majority.

  72. 72.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2020 at 11:40 pm

    @cintibud: You’re welcome.

  73. 73.

    Jinchi

    August 4, 2020 at 11:42 pm

    @piratedan: Happy to see Kris Kobach crash and burn again. I know Democrats were hoping to face him in November, because they figured he’d be easier to beat, but it seems like that was the game they played with Trump in 2016.

  74. 74.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 4, 2020 at 11:48 pm

    Dave Wasserman @Redistrict 11m
    I’ve seen enough: Missouri voters narrowly pass constitutional Amendment 2 to expand Medicaid.

    also known as, though they probably didn’t know it, ratifying ObamaCar

    ETA: ABVAYOI
    Always Be Voting Against Your Own Interests

    Dave Wasserman@Redistrict 6m
    Rural Missouri voted overwhelmingly against the amendment; “Yes” did slightly better there than McCaskill did in 2018, but not by that much.
    The big story tonight is MO’s middle/upper income suburbs, where there was a huge shift to “Yes” from 2016/2018 margins.

  75. 75.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 4, 2020 at 11:50 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I think you’re wrong on the second prediction and possibly wrong on the first.  Folk ain’t playin’ no more.

  76. 76.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 4, 2020 at 11:51 pm

    @dmsilev:

    some desire to actually govern rather than just whistle while the country burns so Hahahahahahahaha what crazy fever dream am I have?

    Fixed.  No charge. :)

    ETA

    and the Democratic challengers in Maine and Arizona and so forth have had two months of beating on the incumbents like they were piñatas.

    Where do we send the bats, refreshments and, of course, pizza?

  77. 77.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2020 at 11:54 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Believe me that I would very much like to be wrong.

  78. 78.

    Marcopolo

    August 4, 2020 at 11:56 pm

    So according to our local KWMU (public radio) politics reporter here in St. Louis Cori Bush has just upset Lacy Clay in MO-1. This would be a win for the Justice Dems against a 20 year incumbent & senior member of the Congressional Black Caucus.

    . @CoriBush beating @LacyClayMO1 is one of the most significant moments in the history of St. Louis politics. It is enormous.— Jason Rosenbaum (@jrosenbaum) August 5, 2020

    It also looks like Medicaid expansion will pass in MO but there are still some outstanding votes.

  79. 79.

    piratedan

    August 4, 2020 at 11:57 pm

    early returns show that it looks like its going to be Hiral Tipirneni getting the Dem nod to go against Schweikert in AZ CD6.  Schweikert just got tapped by the FEC for campaign violations and Tipirneni has already got the Emily’s List endorsement and a few other notable Dems… she ran a good race in 2018 and is back again post the AZ congressional redistricting, and if this is another wave election, she could have a shot.

    some of the other races are really unlikely to offer much hope because so much of the areas represent not just deep red areas, they trend to crimson and burgundy.  The other GOP congressional seats are held by the triumvirate of crazy Biggs, Gosar and Lesko and short of film with them fornicating with a barnyard animal I find their ouster unlikely, as most of their voters would insist that the goat/sheep/swine had it coming.

  80. 80.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2020 at 11:58 pm

    Kornacki is go for second stage separation!

  81. 81.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 5, 2020 at 12:03 am

    @Marcopolo: did Lacy Clay take over the seat from his father, or m I thinking of someone else?

  82. 82.

    Raoul

    August 5, 2020 at 12:07 am

    Trump really is this corrosive, strange force. He is finally stripping away the illusion that McConnell is a powerful, leaderly man. Yes he very effectively used and abused the rules and norms of the Senate to obstruct Obama. And to hold the line on some sub-set of reactionary right-wing goals.

    But when push comes to shove (like when people are dying, and a lot of other people are jobless and about to be homeless) he absolutely sucks shit. Just a cesspool of nothingness. The moral vacuum where a typical human would feel an urge to act, to ameliorate, to propel some positive change is completely damning.

    And that he cannot wrangle his caucus one bit? Hilarious. Tragicomic, but deeply, wryly funny.

  83. 83.

    Marcopolo

    August 5, 2020 at 12:08 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:   Yes.  This will be the first time in 50 years that someone not named Clay has held this seat.  And my god he ran some obnoxious ads against Bush.

  84. 84.

    dmsilev

    August 5, 2020 at 12:14 am

    Living somewhere on that spectrum between ‘neat’ and ‘weird’, SpaceX successfully launched and landed their flying grain silo earlier today:

    Starship takes flight pic.twitter.com/IWvwcA05hl
    — SpaceX (@SpaceX) August 5, 2020

  85. 85.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 5, 2020 at 12:16 am

    This could not be more NSFW but got-damn that’s a funny woman.

  86. 86.

    SWMBO

    August 5, 2020 at 12:21 am

    Posted on a previous thread.
    This gives me such hope.

    https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1290771226491682816?s=21

  87. 87.

    Soprano2

    August 5, 2020 at 12:23 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: The Medicaid expansion will help a lot of those people in rural areas, but they voted against it because it’ll help the “those people” in the cities too. They’re the prototype of the guy who doesn’t care that he’s roasting a sparrow under the overpass as long as “those people” don’t have a sparrow.

  88. 88.

    AJ

    August 5, 2020 at 12:23 am

    @Adam L Silverman: you figure we won’t have the Senate? Ugh, fek

    Maybe as a Canadian resident alien I got over optimistic =/

  89. 89.

    piratedan

    August 5, 2020 at 12:34 am

    @AJ: Adam has doubts, and I do believe that he would be ecstatic to be wrong.  Even though all the polls indicate a tsunami, until ballots are cast and counted, there’s doubt and as he has noted, there’s plenty of people who are very much invested in the current status quo, both inside and outside the country.  It’s the job of the citizens to offer up a result that cannot be fucked with.

    Considering that were working against not just the media, inertia, and money; we also face a set of opponents that have no regard for the rules other than in how they can be turned against us, I can understand his reservations.

    Still, you have choices, work for a peaceful outcome… wallow in despair, snipe from the sidelines, write letters to the editor or reach a level of personal rage that you become one of the very types of people that we fight against, eschewing the bonds of law and civilization that we supposedly hold true in letting our hatred rule our supposedly better selves.

    doesn’t mean I haven’t fantasized about the visceral pleasure that I might get from venting any “righteous” anger, just a realization that there are other methods that still exist and we should pursue them.

  90. 90.

    NoraLenderbee

    August 5, 2020 at 12:35 am

    @HumboldtBlue: I don’t find someone calling a woman “bitch” over and over funny, even if the someone is a butch lesbian. YMMV.

  91. 91.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 5, 2020 at 12:37 am

    @NoraLenderbee:

    Understood.

    It varies.

    I mean, motherfucker is a far more expressive and descriptive invective, but hey, it varies.

  92. 92.

    Jean

    August 5, 2020 at 12:40 am

    @AJ: Maybe we will, and maybe we won’t, but at least fight as if we can win it.  I don’t see the point of predicting a loss at this stage of the game.

  93. 93.

    Ruckus

    August 5, 2020 at 12:43 am

    This time period is crapping on everyone and has not left me out. I’ve been trying to lessen the level of stress just existing in this time of life brings. I’m probably doing about as well as anyone is without the help of alcohol or drugs which in my opinion don’t really help, other than a little temporary amnesia. Anyway….. I tried to watch a little of the West Wing, hadn’t seen it in a long time and all it did was make it worse. Seeing people who actually give a good god damn about having a working government, even if they are acting, just brings into sharper focus the absolute fucking disaster of the current maladministration and the republican party. I would take anyone of the people in that make believe administration to actually try to run the country over any republican. At least they can act human.

  94. 94.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    August 5, 2020 at 12:44 am

    every congressional democrat: here, we’ve done all the homework, we’ve done all the math, all we need to do is pass this bill that will help tens of millions of americans.

    mcconnell: lol, democrats are bad

    every major newspaper: congress fails again

    Has anybody ever asked a journalist or editor why they do this?

  95. 95.

    AJ

    August 5, 2020 at 12:54 am

    @piratedan: yes, agreed

  96. 96.

    AJ

    August 5, 2020 at 12:55 am

    @Jean: that’s fair, you make a good point

  97. 97.

    Brachiator

    August 5, 2020 at 12:55 am

    Republicans up for reelection such as John Cornyn of Texas and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina are demanding results before returning home to campaign.

    This gets to the heart of it. During recess, these politicians are supposed to meet with constituents. Nobody wants to have to explain why they failed.

    ETA. I wonder if the Republican politicians will meet with voters via Zoom, or if any of them will play risky “no mask” games.

  98. 98.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    August 5, 2020 at 12:55 am

    @Ruckus:

    Anyway….. I tried to watch a little of the West Wing, hadn’t seen it in a long time and all it did was make it worse. Seeing people who actually give a good god damn about having a working government, even if they are acting, just brings into sharper focus the absolute fucking disaster of the current maladministration and the republican party. I would take anyone of the people in that make believe administration to actually try to run the country over any republican. At least they can act human.

    I was like this when I saw any show from like 2015-2016 that had a female POTUS. Given the 2016 election result and the ongoing shitshow at the WH, I couldn’t take it seriously anymore sadly. It rang false.

    The West Wing was an overly-idealized view of politics, even when it aired. It was like looking at an alternate reality and I really do wonder if Sorkin was that naive

  99. 99.

    piratedan

    August 5, 2020 at 12:56 am

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): the journos state, we just write the stories, we don’t write the headlines… so that goes unchallenged because its the editors and managers presenting the framing.  Supposedly….

    and no one, apparently, has the authority to call those folks out because they decide who will write for the publication and who gets assigned what…

  100. 100.

    AJ

    August 5, 2020 at 12:56 am

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): do you know Jay Rosen’s work?

    He’s my fave on this

  101. 101.

    Kent

    August 5, 2020 at 12:56 am

    @Jinchi:@piratedan: Happy to see Kris Kobach crash and burn again. I know Democrats were hoping to face him in November, because they figured he’d be easier to beat, but it seems like that was the game they played with Trump in 2016.

    It’s a dangerous game.  When we lived in Texas I crossed over to the GOP primary in 2012 to vote for Ted Cruz, because he was going to be a lot easier to beat than mainstream GOP Lt. Governor Dewhurst.  And who the hell is going to vote for that mess of flop sweat in the general?   And look where we are.  Dewhurst would have probably been a younger version of John Cornyn.

  102. 102.

    Citizen Alan

    August 5, 2020 at 12:59 am

    @Adam L Silverman:  Aaaaaand right before I go to bed, I read something almost suicidally depressing that will keep me up all night. Thanks, Adam.

  103. 103.

    Kent

    August 5, 2020 at 1:04 am

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):The West Wing was an overly-idealized view of politics, even when it aired. It was like looking at an alternate reality and I really do wonder if Sorkin was that naive.

    Of course it was.  It was a TV show for entertainment.  Just like LA Law and Boston Legal weren’t realistic portrayals of the legal business.  Chicago Fire isn’t a realistic portrayal of the lives of firefighters.   And CSI wasn’t an accurate portrayal of criminal investigation units in Vegas.

    Sorkin was creating entertainment not a documentary of life in the West Wing.  I’m sure he was well aware of that.

  104. 104.

    cain

    August 5, 2020 at 1:04 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    By the Gods, can we put in someone other than Schumer then? Someone who will bitchslap that son of a bitch every time he opens his mouth? Maybe Schumer is a brilliant political nerd and all that good stuff – but we need to do a little theater as well.

    Which means some public ass kicking at times. Let’s get Kobluchar (horses neighing in terror)!

  105. 105.

    Inventor

    August 5, 2020 at 1:05 am

    @Baud:

    Visigoths get a bad rap.

    The Ostrogoths are always talking shit about them.

  106. 106.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 5, 2020 at 1:16 am

    @Inventor: You go with the goths you have, not the ones you wish you had.

  107. 107.

    Kent

    August 5, 2020 at 1:17 am

    @cain:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    By the Gods, can we put in someone other than Schumer then? Someone who will bitchslap that son of a bitch every time he opens his mouth? Maybe Schumer is a brilliant political nerd and all that good stuff – but we need to do a little theater as well.

    Which means some public ass kicking at times. Let’s get Kobluchar (horses neighing in terror)!

    Elizabeth Warren is tanned and rested.  And has no shits left to give.

  108. 108.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    August 5, 2020 at 1:21 am

    @Kent:

    I mean fair enough. But it could get pretty damn corny. Honestly, would’ve been interesting to see the show actually portray politics as they were (the GOP were proto-fascists even then), but then I don’t think WW could’ve gotten away with that portrayal because it would’ve been seen as “picking a side” and maligning an entire real life political party (and its voters). Hence why the folksy Democratic president’s fiery inspirational speeches often carried the day

  109. 109.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    August 5, 2020 at 1:22 am

    @Inventor:

    We have always been at war with the Ostrogoths

  110. 110.

    Mary G

    August 5, 2020 at 1:22 am

    A massive landslide win for Karen McDonald in the Democratic primary over Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper.— Zach Gorchow (@ZachGorchow) August 5, 2020

    Cooper is the POS who supported jailing the 14-year-old girl for not doing her homework. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

  111. 111.

    Punchy

    August 5, 2020 at 1:27 am

    Very curious to see if MO-led GOP will actually implement Medicare Expanse or ignore the vote.   To all those who think the latter is illegal….welcome to the MO-led GOP.  I suspect theyll bin these election results, go full cartoon “empty-pockets”, and pretend the mandate never happ’d.

  112. 112.

    Mary G

    August 5, 2020 at 1:28 am

    The tree is the Trump Adminstration. pic.twitter.com/WaNGkkAoa8— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) August 4, 2020

  113. 113.

    janesays

    August 5, 2020 at 1:32 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: He did. That seat has been held by someone with the last name of “Clay” for the last 52 years – Bill, Sr. held it for 32 years, and Bill, Jr. will finish having held it for 20 years.

  114. 114.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 5, 2020 at 1:34 am

    Trump interviews Trump. Absurd.

  115. 115.

    Marcopolo

    August 5, 2020 at 1:35 am

    @Punchy: The ballot initiative that passed in MO tonight was a constitutional amendment–i.e. Medicaid expansion is now a part of the MO state constitution. Gov. Parsons can try to not implement it but there will be a lawsuit or three when that happens, and he’ll be at a severe disadvantage.

  116. 116.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    August 5, 2020 at 1:36 am

    @AJ:

    I’ve heard of Rosen, I think. Nothing comes to mind though

     

    @piratedan:

    Yeah, but it happens even in the bodies of the stories themselves. I honestly like to ask an editor or a journalism professor why media outlets do this shit. It masks the truth and isn’t actually objective

  117. 117.

    Yutsano

    August 5, 2020 at 1:43 am

    @Kent: Dude. You’re from Washington. No female is getting Speaker before Patty. And if you don’t think she will cut someone who gets in front of her…

  118. 118.

    Amir Khalid

    August 5, 2020 at 1:52 am

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    It masks the truth and isn’t actually objective.

    It has the superficial appearance of objectivity, and that’s why they do it.

  119. 119.

    cain

    August 5, 2020 at 2:05 am

    @Kent: Elizabeth Warren is tanned and rested. And has no shits left to give.

    I’m down for any woman, especially a woman of color to take the reins. They are clearly more effective than old white men – they have no fucks to give and will give the whole ‘comity of the Senate’ a swift kick in the ass.

  120. 120.

    rikyrah

    August 5, 2020 at 2:09 am

    Will say it again…

    Moscow Mitch isn’t smart enough to just bring Nancy Smash ‘s bill to the floor, get the vulnerable GOP Senators to vote for it, claim BI-PARTISANSHIP and go home?

  121. 121.

    cain

    August 5, 2020 at 2:12 am

    @Yutsano:

    But this is for Majority Leader – Patty can take over for Pelosi – no worries on my end. :-)

    But it’s time to get some new leadership in and not Dick Durbin and Schumer.. they need to stand aside.

  122. 122.

    Chetan Murthy

    August 5, 2020 at 2:15 am

    @cain:

    Patty can take over for Pelosi

    Murray?  She’s a Senator.  Doubt she’d want to move to the House.

  123. 123.

    Sally

    August 5, 2020 at 2:16 am

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I know I’m too late. Try Borgen for an interesting evolution and portrayal in (Danish) politics. Still TV, but you see the change in the naive new PM and the way pols have to negotiate and compromise. And realise that their preconceived notions are not necessarily accurate. And see some of the different pressures on them.

  124. 124.

    JustRuss

    August 5, 2020 at 2:23 am

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Take your pick:

    1. If they call out Republicans, they piss off half their readership, and they’re terrified of losing subscribers.
    2. Blaiming “Congress” lets them maintain their veneer of objectivity.
    3. Media’s owned by corporations and rich folks, who lean Republican.  Heavily.  You don’t piss off the people who sign your paycheck.

    Good luck getting anyone in the industry to admit any of that, they’ll take number 2 and dress it up a bit to paint themselves as impartial truth tellers.

  125. 125.

    Kathleen

    August 5, 2020 at 3:43 am

    @cintibud: I like the ad where he takes credit for “saving health care”.

  126. 126.

    SWMBO

    August 5, 2020 at 4:48 am

    Happy Birthday, Tamara!

  127. 127.

    Geminid

    August 5, 2020 at 7:13 am

    The new Democratic Senate Caucus will vote on all leadership positions after the November election. I think it is a secret ballot. They will decide if Schumer has been ineffective or not, regardless of what the public thinks. But a lot of people thought Nancy Pelosi was ineffective- when the House Democrats were in a minority.                            I can only judge Schumer on the public communications side of the job. I happen to catch hourly radio news often. There, when the Senate is in the news, McConnell and Schumer each gets a 10-15 second sound bite. I think Schumer makes the most of his. I happened to catch a few minutes of NPR yesterday, and Schumer did well with the 40 seconds they gave him. I expect he does similarly on network evening news. So I give Schumer credit on this aspect of the job. Scores of millions get their news from these sources, not because they are dumb but because they have lives.                                As for the legislative parts of Schumer’s job, his Democratic colleagues will be the judges, and they all have skin in the game.

  128. 128.

    Geminid

    August 5, 2020 at 7:24 am

    @Geminid: By skin in the game I meant that they have seen Schumers work first hand, and will be working with him, or whoever else they they choose as majority leader. It’s rare for a minority caucus leader to be demoted after the caucus wins a majority in an election. But this is an unusual year, and anything could happen.

  129. 129.

    Uncle Cosmo

    August 5, 2020 at 8:25 am

    @AJ: It’s just Silverman’s opinion. And when he’s opining on anything but national security, he doesn’t know any more than any of the rest of us reasonably intelligent amateur observers.

    And that is true for all the BJ Experts – even as we presume they speak with authority in their areas of acknowledged expertise. (Even when we have trouble figuring out what the hell they’re talking about – looking at you, Anderson/Mayhew.)

  130. 130.

    Uncle Cosmo

    August 5, 2020 at 8:36 am

    @Yutsano: You do realize there is no “Speaker” in the Senate & that the post held by Schumer is that of Senate Minority Leader…? (hopefully to become that of Senate Majority Leader come 3 Jan…)

  131. 131.

    Boris Rasputin (the evil twin)

    August 5, 2020 at 12:10 pm

    @Kent:  It was said that the only realistic cop show was “Barney Miller” Police academies told the new guys to ignore every cop show except that. Every cop I know loves “Barney Miller”, as it’s the real thing.

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