Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

I wonder if trump will be tried as an adult.

The arc of history bends toward the same old fuckery.

But frankly mr. cole, I’ll be happier when you get back to telling us to go fuck ourselves.

You’re just a puppy masquerading as an old coot.

Dear media: perhaps we ought to let Donald Trump speak for himself!

… riddled with inexplicable and elementary errors of law and fact

“Why isn’t this Snickers bar only a nickel?”

The fundamental promise of conservatism all over the world is a return to an idealized past that never existed.

You can’t attract Republican voters. You can only out organize them.

And we’re all out of bubblegum.

Tick tock motherfuckers!

It’s easier to kill a dangerous animal than a man who just happens to have different thoughts/values than one’s own.

The line between political reporting and fan fiction continues to blur.

Bad people in a position to do bad things will do bad things because they are bad people. End of story.

This fight is for everything.

There are no moderate republicans – only extremists and cowards.

Schmidt just says fuck it, opens a tea shop.

Marge, god is saying you’re stupid.

If you’re looking for someone who’s young and athletic, go watch a fucking movie.

Come on, man.

Teach a man to fish, and he’ll sit in a boat all day drinking beer.

‘Museums aren’t America’s attic for its racist shit.’

So it was an October Surprise A Day, like an Advent calendar but for crime.

When someone says they “love freedom”, rest assured they don’t mean yours.

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  1. 1.

    WaterGirl

    I recall a photo of Joe in 2008 where he’s in one of his sports cars and some reporter asks if he is gonna be VP, and he says he absolutely is not going to be VP.  And then Barack talked him into it.  I thought this was going to be some sort of callback to that.  “You can’t believe everything you hear”, or something like that.

    Still fun, though!

  4. 4.

    Sebastian

    Flat-shift into second! Yeah!!

    Hey Trumpie, do you even know how to drive, much less stick?

  6. 6.

    pluky

    He’s playing this exactly right. The longer he waits the more free media he gets as the media-ocrites speculate over the pick. Plus everyone on the putative short-list gets their public profile raised.

  7. 7.

    Amir Khalid

    One is tempted to speculate while idling idly about how the Trump campaign might attempt to present their guy out-cooling Joe Biden.

  8. 8.

    debbie

    Since it’s an open thread, NPR just ran a report on Beruit. They listed the countries providing aid and what that aid would be. The U.S. was not mentioned, and I don’t think NPR would forget to include the U.S. Has Trump refused aid, or is he waiting for Lebanon to repay some long-forgotten debt?

  9. 9.

    frosty

    Thanks for front-paging this. From the last thread: IIRC Joe was OK with Onion Joe Biden except they put him in a Trans Am. A definite step down from his ‘vette.

  11. 11.

    Yutsano

    @debbie:  As far as I know aid has been offered. Whether the motions to actually get aid to Lebanon have started is unknown at this point.

  12. 12.

    trollhattan

    @debbie:

    Yeah, IIUC even Israel has reached out and they’re technically at war. We’re a sad, sad sack of a “first world” nation. Not that we’ve ever experienced a huge fertilizer explosion at any time.

  14. 14.

    JPL

    Love this ad.   It doesn’t only appeal to car buffs, but there are some retired gals who remember that car.    just sayin

  15. 15.

    White & Gold Purgatorian

    OMG! That was priceless. How soon can I vote for this guy? We don’t have early voting but I need to find out when absentee ballot season opens. Can’t wait to vote for Joe and whoever his veep is.

  16. 16.

    Patricia Kayden

    The devastating Beirut explosion was caused by ammonium nitrate.A similar 2013 explosion in West, TX led to the Obama admin installing new safety requirements to prevent future ammonium nitrate tragedies.The Trump admin reversed them in 2019.@joellooperhttps://t.co/j2uuTP0x44— Nicholas Grossman (@NGrossman81) August 5, 2020

  17. 17.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Amir Khalid:

    One is tempted to speculate while idling idly about how the Trump campaign might attempt to present their guy out-cooling Joe Biden.

    They don’t.

    “Biden and the Democrat Party have held police in check while radical Democrats tear our cities apart and tried to use a pandemic against OUR President!”

    That’s what they’ll do. I saw an ad to that effect a few days ago. Not that I think it will work (knock on wood). Too many people see past the bullshit

  19. 19.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Patricia Kayden:

    The devastating Beirut explosion was caused by ammonium nitrate.A similar 2013 explosion in West, TX led to the Obama admin installing new safety requirements to prevent future ammonium nitrate tragedies.The Trump admin reversed them in 2019

    This makes me wonder if we’re going to keep having this seesaw-like effect with policy in the future each time a president of the opposite party is elected

  22. 22.

    Patricia Kayden

    Trump wasn't left 0 ventilatorsThe pandemic isn't in good shapeBiden isn't trying to escape debatesIndia hasn't conducted just 11 million testsNew York primaries haven't been evidence of voter fraudObama didn't fail to press NATO allies to spend morehttps://t.co/zQY6OSi6DP— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) August 5, 2020

  23. 23.

    Ken

    @Patricia Kayden: Sorry, your entry for “Trump contradicts himself” has been rejected. Although it’s only been about 24 hours since he was promoting mail-in voting in Frorida, the current threshold is much lower. In fact, we can only accept entries with the contradictions in consecutive sentences.

  24. 24.

    Keith P

    @Amir Khalid: Trump did once own a Lamborghini Diablo, but that was decades ago. Trump will probably just claim that Biden rented the Vette (even though Biden is a well-documented Corvette aficianado)

  26. 26.

    brantl

    I think that Joe Biden can outdo Stumpy by any positive measure. Everybody talks about Joe Biden’s gaffes, but I have noticed that what the Rethugs call gaffes, a ton of americans call those plain-speaking. I think if people listen to Biden, and then listen to Stumpy, it’s pretty clear who’s the snake-oil salesman.

  28. 28.

    raven

    Research tell me he’s running a 327 the only small block chevy engine offered that year. My 66 chevy truck has a 350 which is also a small block chevy mill. I’m sure he’s running fuel injection  and mine is carbureted but they sound very much the same. Go Bowties!

  30. 30.

    Elizabelle

    You might have discussed this earlier.  Breaking news from the NY Times:

    New York prosecutors subpoenaed Deutsche Bank last year, a sign that their inquiry into President Trump’s business is broader than previously known.

    Wednesday, August 5, 2020 6:26 PM EST

    The criminal investigation initially appeared to be focused on hush-money payments made in 2016 to two women who have said they had affairs with President Trump.

    But in a court filing this week, prosecutors with the Manhattan district attorney’s office cited “public reports of possibly extensive and protracted criminal conduct at the Trump Organization” and suggested that they were also investigating possible crimes involving bank and insurance fraud.

  35. 35.

    Anya

    @debbie: His flunkies are probably working on a blackmail scheme as we speak — aid for incriminating Joe Biden on something.

  36. 36.

    Jeffro

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):This makes me wonder if we’re going to keep having this seesaw-like effect with policy in the future each time a president of the opposite party is elected

    Once the Republican party starts exploring policy options other than “the opposite of whatever Democrats want”, then sure, we can escape the see-saw.

    I’m not really optimistic that we’re going to see that for another several cycles, though.

  41. 41.

    trollhattan

    Among the coverage of the uncontrolled Beirut explosion yesterday, I missed that Space X had a successful controlled one–their new booster stage successfully lifted off and landed. They had one go boom last month but it wasn’t the booster but rather, a facility fuel leak following a static burn.

  42. 42.

    Yutsano

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: He also uses the Mar-A-Whacko address, which is voter fraud. Kayleigh McEninny uses her parents address which she does not reside at in Florida. Also voter fraud. I’m sure if we keep hunting we could find all the top officials in the maladministration also vote fraudulently.

    EDIT: My kingdom to be an investigative journalist! There are seeds sitting right there and no one wants to take them! That’s a career maker just waiting to be explored!

  43. 43.

    Chyron HR

    @Patricia Kayden:

    I’m too old to keep all the “online media outlets” straight.  is The Hill just a bunch of stenographers posing as journalists, or do they uncritically boost all of the Trump administration’s lies because they’re active propagandists?

  46. 46.

    David Evans

    @trollhattan: I’m nervous about SpaceX’s Starship. They’ve had several failures, I worry that they’re going too near the limits of the material. Hope I’m wrong. Oh, and Biden has my unbounded admiration for that ad. How can any red-blooded American prefer Trump to that?

  47. 47.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    The only thing with wheels that Donnie drives is a golf cart.

    $50 says there’s a Hov-around with a special wide saddle and a presidential seal fixed to it right out of camera range

    “Beep beep! Vroom vroom! Here comes your favorite president!”

  49. 49.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @trollhattan:

    That was such a smooth landing! SpaceX is doing amazing things. It’s just too bad Elon Musk has to be the face of the company. I’d love to ask him how his plans to move Tesla operations to Texas are going, considering how the epidemic is rampaging there. He had a hissy fit over California’s shutdown if I recall right

  52. 52.

    Ken

    @Elizabelle: A few years ago someone quipped that the Trump administration was like a bunch of cockroaches got together and formed a pyramid so they could switch on the kitchen light.

  53. 53.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Jeffro:

    You’re probably right, sadly. The California Republican Party has gone into obscurity at the state-level and has only become more extreme

  55. 55.

    Jay

    My favorite ‘Vette.

    Meanwhile, dirtbags,…….

    The head of the Arlington County Republican Committee reportedly posted the personal information of Virginia residents who reported violations of mask mandates, including their names, email addresses and phone numbers, in a Facebook group open to county residents.

    The Washington Post reported Wednesday that Andrew Loposser was removed from the “Arlington Neighbors Helping Each Other Through Covid-19” Facebook group, which boasts more than 11,000 members, after he posted a screenshot of data from the state Department of Health revealing personal contact information for several residents who had reported violations to the agency.

    Three day weekend, mid week, been tough, moved, Street Medic-ing, 18 cases of Covid on Tues, Wed so far at one unhoused encampment.

    The death toll if it blows up will be horrific. On the bright side, got all of them into Marriots, to self quarentine.

  56. 56.

    Anya

    Obviously, the biggest prize, aside from the presidency, is getting control of the senate and keeping the house. Having said that, what will be your biggest win (house or senate)? Mine is a long shot but retiring  Trump’s sycophant Lindsey Graham is my biggest get.

  58. 58.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    The New York prosecutors who are seeking President Trump’s tax records have also subpoenaed his longtime lender, a sign that their criminal investigation into Mr. Trump’s business practices is more wide-ranging than previously known.
    The Manhattan district attorney’s office issued the subpoena last year to Deutsche Bank, which has been Mr. Trump’s primary lender since the late 1990s, seeking financial records that he and his company provided to the bank, according to four people familiar with the inquiry. […]
    Deutsche Bank complied with the subpoena. Over a period of months last year, it provided Mr. Vance’s office with detailed records, including financial statements and other materials that Mr. Trump had provided to the bank as he sought loans, according to two of the people familiar with the inquiry.

    trying to temper my expectations on this case, because the Universe is cold and indifferent to justice.

  60. 60.

    jackmac

    @rikyrah: As a dad, I’m furious. My daughter is moving back to Illiinois State on Friday for her senior year. I’m hoping there are no ill effects, but fear this is not going to end well.

  61. 61.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Tom Nichols@RadioFreeTom·1h
    His usual lumbering off stage seems to be favoring his right side. If he hasn’t had some kind of an event that has hurt him on his right side, he’s doing a great impression of a man who has had one.

  62. 62.

    Rusty

    @raven: Joe strikes me as a purist, he would be running a carb.  I love the small block too, had a 74 Caprice convertible with a 400 (swapped out the 2 barrel for a 4 barrel) and an 87 3/4 ton pickup with a 350 and the first year of throttle body injection.  I would be incline to go electronic ignition and TBI on anything I wanted to drive daily.  I love the sound of that Corvette. (I still have a 76 Cosworth Vega, but that is a completely different experience…)

  64. 64.

    Jay

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: It’sfrom the few remaining sane ReThugs sabbing him over the Hero’s Act stalling. That’s why it’s the “right” side, Nazi Side.

    Yurtle the Turtle’s next.

    where is our Brutus?

  67. 67.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Patricia Kayden: It literally works in several states without issue. LESS issue than in many republican states where they deliberately cause problems with the number of polling stations in Democratic areas, etc.

    Sigh. Such an amoral idiot.

  68. 68.

    Patricia Kayden

    Can we just take a moment to appreciate the ACA, which has withstood 10 years of the most concerted attacks against it? Here's to the foresight of its architects, who steeled it against some rather heavy artillery.— Rude Mechanical ?? (@Demagogues_Bane) August 5, 2020

  69. 69.

    Porgy

    This is the drivel my father has been reading? People are dying of the combination of pandemic and poverty and someone bandying about their big expensive car not funny or charming or relatable. I just want the eviction wave to stop.

  72. 72.

    WaterGirl

    @rikyrah: He may end up helping us all, inadvertently.

    You know if he took away their testing supplies, he has done that for the rest of the universities in Illinois.

    edit; by “helping” i meant that maybe the universities will have to go with all on-line for fall because testing will not be available.

  73. 73.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @germy:

    Speaking of Ellen DeGeneres and Kevin Hart:

    With the daytime talk show host under fire and accused of creating — or at least enabling — a toxic workplace environment, the actor and comedian wrote: “It’s crazy to see my friend go thru what she’s going thru publicly. I have known Ellen for years and I can honestly say that she’s one of the dopest people on the f—ing planet. She has treated my family and my team with love and respect from day 1.”

    Continued Hart: “The internet has become a crazy world of negativity….we are falling in love with people’s downfall. It’s honestly sad…When did we get here? I stand by the ones that I know and that I love. Looking forward to the future where we get back to loving one another….this hate s— has to stop. Hopefully, it goes out of style soon….This post is not meant to disregard the feelings of others and their experiences….It’s simply to show what my experiences have been with my friend. Love you for life Ellen.”

    Then Katy Perry had to open her trap:

    Earlier Tuesday, singer Katy Perry likewise defended DeGeneres, writing on Twitter early Tuesday morning: “I know I can’t speak for anyone else’s experience besides my own but I want to acknowledge that I have only ever had positive takeaways from my time with Ellen & on the @theellenshow. I think we all have witnessed the light & continual fight for equality that she has brought … to the world through her platform for decades. Sending you love & a hug, friend.”

    I get that these people are friends, but come on! Why do they feel the need to do this shit?

  75. 75.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @WaterGirl:

    Unless the policies are put into legislation.

    There is a reason Barack Obama didn’t want to do LGBT rights as an executive order, and he was right.

    That’s true, which is why it’s important to control Congress and move like light speed.

    I have a sinking feeling though, based on what I know of Biden and Pelosi/Schumer, that they will never try court packing, which is what is desperately needed at this time to counter McConnell’s Federalist judges

  76. 76.

    eddie blake

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    when tim kaine is talking openly about packing, you know the rest of leadership knows it’s going to be an issue.

    pretty sure they know if they don’t end the filibuster and they don’t pack the court, they’ll be dead in the water.

  77. 77.

    Anya

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): It’s like it’s lost on them that some of the accusations against Ellen is that she’s not as nice as she appears and she treats anyone who is not a celebrity like trash. Why do they think talking about how she’s nice to them helps?

  79. 79.

    WaterGirl

    @jackmac: My first thought was that they were going to have to move everything to online, which would be safer.  But just bringing all those people to campus is a big issue if there’s no testing.

    There’s no way I would let my kid live in a dorm during COVID.  Hopefully your daughter has her own place or just one roommate.

  80. 80.

    Redshift

    @Chyron HR: The Hill used to be a nonpartisan paper covering Capitol Hill. Apparently it went downhill fast when the founder died and his failson took over. He hired John Solomon, who laundered Ukraine conspiracy-mongering through what were supposed to be news articles.

    Check out the Wikipedia article, there’s more appalling stuff I didn’t know about. So, yeah, it’s basically a pro-Trump propaganda outlet now.

  83. 83.

    Wapiti

    @Yutsano:  I expect that many of these fraudulent-voting-address-in-Florida cases can be linked to a not-paying-state-taxes-where-they-actually-reside case.

  84. 84.

    Calouste

    @eddie blake: And they should also impeach a couple of the unqualified motherfuckers while they’re at it. Let the GOP own the corruption of the judges they rushed through. I’m sure they’ll find a few that are just egregious.

  85. 85.

    different-church-lady

    Dad jokes.

    Right now, I would be very very happy to have a presidency overflowing with Dad jokes.

  86. 86.

    sdhays

    @Omnes Omnibus: Have you seen the proposal to make Supreme Court justices serve a fixed term on the Supreme Court and then get rotated to a lower federal court? I find that attractive because it also deals with the problem of gaming the system to put your people on the court. It should be that if you want to put judges on the Supreme Court, you need to win elections.

  87. 87.

    Roger Moore

    @Jeffro:

    This makes me wonder if we’re going to keep having this seesaw-like effect with policy in the future each time a president of the opposite party is elected

    One thing we need to do is to get as much stuff as possible into statutory law rather than regulations.  That would make it harder to undo by executive order- not that the Republicans won’t try- and also harder for the Supreme Court to do away with by making rulings about the Administrative Procedures Act.

  88. 88.

    Roger Moore

    @Anya:

    Mine is a long shot but retiring Trump’s sycophant Lindsey Graham is my biggest get.

    Lindsey Graham would be great, but I want Mitch McConnell gone even more.  Out of the Senate would be wonderful, into prison would be even better.

  90. 90.

    WaterGirl

    @Omnes Omnibus: What did you think of Pete Buttigieg’s plan to expand the supreme court?

    I think part of it was that each party got 5, and then the 10 had to agree on the remaining 5, for a total of 15.

  91. 91.

    Yutsano

    @Omnes Omnibus: Come sit six feet away from me. I want as many as we can get. I even want fucking South Dakota. Rounds is a milquetoast and Ahlers is pretty solid. South Dakota is a cheap market. We can probably get him in for cheap.

    EDIT: And oh do I want fucking Johnson gone in 2022. I might even consider moving to Wisconsin just to vote him out.

  92. 92.

    Roger Moore

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Why not both?

    Because the question was who we wanted most.  I would love a clean sweep, not that I think it’s remotely likely, but McConnell is the one I want the most.  I wanna party like it’s 1932.

  93. 93.

    Yutsano

    @Roger Moore: Oh yeah: I think I want Cornyn gone the most. I can already tell he’s miffed at having to actually work to keep his seat, much less a woman might have an outside shot at getting rid of him. Go Mary Jane!

  94. 94.

    Roger Moore

    @Roger Moore:

    I wanna party like it’s 1932.

    Though I realize there are things that will make a 1932-scale wipeout unlikely.  1932 was a very special case because it was not just a redistricting year but a redistricting year after Congress had been unable to agree on reapportionment after the 1920 Census, so the reapportionment was way overdue.  Hopefully we’ll be able to get an additional swing in the House in 2022 when we can undo some of the Republicans’ gerrymandering.

  95. 95.

    WaterGirl

    @Roger Moore:  When I managed my IT group at the university, my “right hand man” so to speak would say “which one of these #1 priorities would you like me to focus on?”  :-)

    This was by agreement, after we talked once about how sometimes he felt overwhelmed.

    I was totally guilty of that – and you really can’t have more than one #1 thing at a time.

  99. 99.

    J R in WV

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    August 5, 2020 at 9:02 pm

    Joe’s ‘Vettea? Joe’s vetting process?

    Clever wordplay, Joe!

    Was a Great Show of Biden’s love for Corvette, muscle cars in general, and American industry. With Joe, loving his car, that his dad gave him, that his sons restored to like new condition. Great contrast with Trump, pretending to drive a big rig… as if~!!~

  100. 100.

    raven

    @Rusty: I had an electronic ignition installed two weeks ago, I’m running a 2BBL Rochester  and a 3 spd Saginaw so it’s a lot of fun to drive. The google says this is the mill in Biden’d ride

     

    CLASSIC SMALL-BLOCK STROKER WITH MODERN EFI

    It’s hard to beat the classic 383 “stroker” for Small-Block torque, but Chevrolet Performance engineers found a way by matching it with the driving convenience of electronic fuel injection. The SP383 EFI also features a high-performance roller camshaft and lightweight aluminum, and Fast Burn-style cylinder heads with modern valvetrain technology that includes beehive-type valve springs.

     

    https://www.chevrolet.com/performance/crate-engines/sp383-efi-deluxe

  103. 103.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @trollhattan: And that all begins with winning the senate. And no blue dogs.

    Hate to bust your bubble, but you ain’t getting the Senate  without a bunch of cerulean canines like Joe Manchin. (Who just for the goddamn record has been a much better & more reliable Democratic vote than we had any goddamn right to expect from a West By God Virginia that’s still trying to crawl up the mine shaft into the 20th century.)

  104. 104.

    WaterGirl

    @Uncle Cosmo: On this, we agree!

    Which was the point of my asking him to ask the “which of these #1 priorities would you like me to focus on” – it helped me see when I was dong that.

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