Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

So it was an October Surprise A Day, like an Advent calendar but for crime.

People identifying as christian while ignoring christ and his teachings is a strange thing indeed.

How any woman could possibly vote for this smug smarmy piece of misogynistic crap is beyond understanding.

He really is that stupid.

If America since Jan 2025 hasn’t broken your heart, you haven’t loved her enough.

After dobbs, women are no longer free.

Republicans: The threats are dire, but my tickets are non-refundable!

Russian mouthpiece, go fuck yourself.

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

Balloon Juice, where there is always someone who will say you’re doing it wrong.

Nothing says ‘pro-life’ like letting children go hungry.

Sitting here in limbo waiting for the dice to roll

Beware of advice from anyone for whom Democrats are “they” and not “we.”

That’s my take and I am available for criticism at this time.

If rights aren’t universal, they are privilege, not rights.

When your entire life is steeped in white supremacy, equality feels like discrimination.

It is possible to do the right thing without the promise of a cookie.

I’d hate to be the candidate who lost to this guy.

It’s a good piece. click on over. but then come back!!

Not loving this new fraud based economy.

Optimism opens the door to great things.

They punch you in the face and then start crying because their fist hurts.

Republicans don’t lie to be believed, they lie to be repeated.

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Via CSPAN’s Jeremy Art on Twitter, this comparison snapshot of the roll call of states at the Dem (left) and Rep (right) conventions speaks a thousand words:

Roll Call

Speaker Pelosi has a favorite saying: “Our diversity is our strength, and our unity is our power.” I like that. But you can’t say the Republicans aren’t diverse. Sure, it’s four older white men in that picture, but only half wear glasses. And while three have dark suits with white shirts, the Hawaii delegate appears to be wearing an aloha shirt.

I’m not watching the convention, but from clips I’ve seen on Twitter, it’s clear that whichever one of y’all said it would be like CPAC on steroids was dead right. One speaker said, “Joe Biden is hiding in the dark, waiting to take the lives of our unborn babies.” Seriously — that’s a direct quote. Video here. (I personally think “Joe Biden, Baby Assassin” will be a tough sell…)

Someone on Twitter noted that Trump’s speech today went on twice as long as Biden’s acceptance speech last week (and Trump’s was still going on when that report was filed). It’s all grievances (they spied on meeee!) and self-aggrandizement (I’ve done more for The Blacks than anyone!).

In other news, kick-ass Attorney General of New York Letitia James is investigating charges that Trump inflated his wealth on lender documents, which I’m told is a big fat no-no. Details at The Post. An excerpt:

In the filing, signed by a deputy to Attorney General Letitia James, the attorney general’s office said it is investigating Trump’s use of “Statements of Financial Condition” — documents Trump sent to lenders, summarizing his assets and debts.

The filing asks a New York state judge to compel the Trump Organization to provide information it has been withholding from investigators — including a subpoena seeking an interview with the president’s son Eric.

The attorney general’s office said it began investigating after Trump’s former lawyer and “fixer,” Michael Cohen, told Congress in February 2019 that Trump had used these statements to inflate his net worth to lenders.

That’s going to leave a mark. And so much for an “upbeat” convention.

Open thread!

 

 

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  1. 1.

    Yutsano

    Still watching the hearing. After the Republican rant Mrs Lawrence is about to lay her considerable USPS experience on DeJoy. This should be fun.

    EDIT: and not only was our roll call better, I now want the roll call to be done that way from now on even when we can have live conventions again.

  2. 2.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    This was too good to leave downstairs in storage, and it is MINE!

    Thanksgiving at the Falwells promises to be awkward.

    “Mom, I see that you spit roasted the turkey this year. Bring back any memories?”

  6. 6.

    Baud

    Via Reddit.

    A former adviser to first lady Melania Trump has reportedly taped her making “disparaging” comments about President Trump and his adult children.

    Stephanie Winston Wolkoff, Melania Trump’s former friend and adviser, is set to release a tell-all book in September called Melania and Me: The Rise and Fall of My Friendship with The First Lady, and on Monday, journalist Yashar Ali reported that Wolkoff “taped the first lady making disparaging remarks about the president and his adult children” that will be revealed in the book.

  7. 7.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    @Yutsano: Amen.  I loved the Dem Roll Call.  Getting to see all those states was extraordinary, and definitely a keeper.

  8. 8.

    germy

    Jerry Falwell, Jr. seems like an awful person, but given his family, I feel like you have to grade him on a curve. This is from “Strength for the Journey,” a memoir by his father Jerry Falwell, Sr. pic.twitter.com/ZzZKqZreVu

    — Jon Schwarz (@schwarz) August 24, 202

    TRIGGER WARNING: the Falwell family engaged in animal abuse and murder.

  10. 10.

    rp

    They’d be crazy to go back to a traditional roll call. The scenery and personalized statements were great.

  13. 13.

    Ajabu

    I don’t know, Betty. So far their convention seems pretty upbeat* to me.

    *My definition of upbeat being Spiraling down the greased slide to oblivion.

  14. 14.

    Yutsano

    @A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan): I actually like the speeches having feedback, but having the state delegations cheer while a representative back home calls out your vote in the actual state/territory is much more powerful to me. If nothing else, we need to keep that. It’s also a great method of involving those delegates who can’t go to the convention for whatever reason.

  16. 16.

    germy

    "This has been just the gasoline on the fire for civil war. If it’s coming, North Idaho is the heart of the new confederacy.”

    Incredible reporting from the @IdahoStatesman on the reinvigorated militia movement of North Idaho: https://t.co/wVgaS1INMC

    — Anne Helen Petersen (@annehelen) August 24, 2020

    I don’t see any mobility scooters in the crowd.

  18. 18.

    Johnny Gentle (Famous Crooner)

    And while three have dark suits with white shirts, the Hawaii delegate appears to be wearing an aloha shirt.

    And that’s only because he’s supporting the Boogaloo bois.

  19. 19.

    sdhays

    @Baud: If you were able to randomly record an hour or two, here and there, each and every one of these people, I guarantee you would pick up each one disparaging the others. Considering that it’s not illegal to record someone in New York, the only thing that’s shocking is that this hasn’t happened before.

  21. 21.

    PJ

    @germy: JFC, that’s one fucked-up family.  There are people who are cruel because institutions encourage it, and then there are people who are cruel because it gives them immense pleasure.

  22. 22.

    Yutsano

    Since the thread be open: I didn’t want to drop this in the California thread, but Scott Peterson just had his death sentence thrown out. And I’m okay with this.

  23. 23.

    Betty Cracker

    @clay: The Third Lady seems to be an awful person in every way just like her husband, but there’s no doubt in my mind she despises Trump. She radiates contempt whenever the two are together, and you can practically see a thought bubble over her head that reads, “Why aren’t you DEAD yet?”

  24. 24.

    RaflW

    I gather that in his afternoon offleash area ramble, Trump complained that the networks didn’t cover the roll call. While of course failing to notice that the RNC scheduled the roll call during the day, not in the evening time block the nets agreed to air the RNC.

    Of course Captain Grievance-pants would complain about anything anyway, so it’s all gonna suck and be awful no matter what.

  25. 25.

    narya

    @A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan): @Yutsano:  I third the motioni. I’ve been saying this for the last week, and there seems to be a lot of folks saying it. It was very cool, it was very powerful. I also realized, as I discussed the Dems’ convention, that the tight two hours meant no talking heads ChuckTodding constantly, and I also thought that the speeches, because they weren’t interrupted, were better able to craft a narrative. Someone here pointed out that some folks speechify better with crowds, and I get that, too.

  26. 26.

    trollhattan

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    I’m-a not disappointed I don’t know the reference, but will note this Wonkette tidbit from Falwell Jr.

    Shortly thereafter, Becki had an inappropriate personal relationship with this person, something in which I was not involved – it was nonetheless very upsetting to learn about. After I learned this, I lost 80 pounds and people who saw me regularly thought that I was physically unwell, when in reality I was just balancing how to be most supportive of Becki, who I love, while also reflecting and praying about whether there were ways I could have been more supportive of her and given her proper attention.

    That’s, like, half an extra Falwell.

  27. 27.

    RaflW

    “Sure, it’s four older white men in that picture, but only half wear glasses.” How they deal with their receding hairlines also shows a nice diversity of strategies.

    (nb: my hairline cannot even be said to be receding at this point. It’s done gone)

  30. 30.

    Yutsano

    Jeebus DeJoy is so bad at this.

    @Martin: I will stand up for at least southwest Idaho: the Boise area is turning slowly more blue. Boise doesn’t quite have the population to dominate state politics yet, but between Boise and Moscow (home to the University of Idaho) there are areas of hope. But yes northern Idaho has been has been a hot bed for racists and white supremacists for decades.

  31. 31.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    NY AG James @NewYorkStateAG
    I took action to force the Trump Organization, and specifically EVP Eric Trump, to comply with my office’s ongoing investigation into its financial dealings.
    For months, the Trump Organization has failed to fully comply with our subpoenas in this investigation.

    Thread
    Looks like Eric took the Fifth

  32. 32.

    germy

    @trollhattan:  Shortly thereafter, Becki had an inappropriate personal relationship with this person, something in which I was not involved

    Okay, I think that’s proof he was watching.

    Someone announcing that their spouse was having an affair; would they make sure to add “Something in which I was not involved” ?

  33. 33.

    oldster

    Looks to me like our Democratic representatives are outside living the life of the free and the brave, while those Republican slugs are hiding in their basements.

  35. 35.

    A Ghost to Most

    @germy:

    TRIGGER WARNING: the Falwell family engaged in animal abuse and murder.

    Ritualized cannibalism also too.

  36. 36.

    Barbara

    @Martin: But it also has seen major influxes in population from other states, most notably California.  Within some period of time it will be more like Oregon, with the same kind of tension.  That would be my guess, anyway.

  40. 40.

    Gravenstone

    @Baud: And this surprises who, exactly? They’re a viper’s nest of fucked up people who hate each other as well as themselves. And they take their dysfunction out on the rest of us just because they can.

  41. 41.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: @trollhattan: Here’s what happened according to a real reporter, not a credulous hack at the Washington Examiner:

    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-falwell-relationship/

    WASHINGTON – In a claim likely to intensify the controversy surrounding one of the most influential figures in the American Christian conservative movement, a business partner of Jerry Falwell Jr has come forward to say he had a years-long sexual relationship involving Falwell’s wife and the evangelical leader.

    Giancarlo Granda says he was 20 when he met Jerry and Becki Falwell while working as a pool attendant at the Fontainebleau Miami Beach hotel in March 2012. Starting that month and continuing into 2018, Granda told Reuters that the relationship involved him having sex with Becki Falwell while Jerry Falwell looked on.

    Granda showed Reuters emails, text messages and other evidence that he says demonstrate the sexual nature of his relationship with the couple, who have been married since 1987. “Becki and I developed an intimate relationship and Jerry enjoyed watching from the corner of the room,” Granda said in an interview. Now 29, he described the liaisons as frequent – “multiple times per year” – and said the encounters took place at hotels in Miami and New York, and at the Falwells’ home in Virginia.

    Becki Falwell did not respond to emails or phone and text messages from Reuters. After Reuters presented its initial reporting early last week to the Falwells, a lawyer for Jerry Falwell, Michael Bowe, said the evangelical leader “categorically denies everything you indicated you intend to publish about him.”

    On Sunday night, however, as Reuters was preparing to publish this article, Jerry Falwell issued a statement to the Washington Examiner in which he said that his wife had had an affair with Granda and that Granda had been trying to extort money from the couple over the matter. Granda denies any such intent, saying he was seeking to negotiate a buyout from a business arrangement he says he had with the couple.

    Much more at the link.

  43. 43.

    Martin

    I am down with Ohio GOP moving to impeach DeWine for not being sufficiently subservient to Trump early in the pandemic.

    Watching the GOP continue to eat its own does raise the question – how do they get in front of this? How do they whip the QAnon caucus on votes? Somewhere out there are GOP strategists muttering to themselves ‘Cuckolding. Why’d it have to be cuckolding?’

  47. 47.

    Jay

    @germy:

    Roger Stone and his wife appear to be drug fueled “swingers”,

    Manifort got off on arranging to have his wife violently raped by strangers.

  49. 49.

    Kay

    Leslie Postal
    @lesliepostal
    This just in: Judge rules Florida’s school reopening order is unconstitutional, strikes portion requiring “brick and mortar” campuses to open this month. More to come.

    When the horrible FL state education secretary barges in to scold public schools he refuses to wear a mask.
    They should bar him from the premises.

  50. 50.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    MSNBC just showed footage of a crowd gathering outside a food bank for an upcoming trump speech, maskless people leaning toward each other to speak

  51. 51.

    Adam L Silverman

    @germy: Apparently the “cuck” epithet is projection.

    Beyond that I honestly don’t know, don’t really want to know, and if they all weren’t hypocritical about it in ways that are actually attempts to weaponize their morality, which they do not actually practice, to punish others, I wouldn’t care either. As long as no one got hurt, they could enjoy their kinks to their hearts content.

  52. 52.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @NotMax:

    As I’ve said before – if I had a time-space machine, I’d learn Aramaic and use it to go a couple of thousand years to Joseph to say “does she really think you’re stupid enough to buy that bullshit” while handing him a large rock.

    I mean, didn’t he have a wingman who would tell him these things?

  53. 53.

    Ken

    @clay: I could never imagine Melania saying anything but praise for her husband!

    “At least when he insists on sex, it’s over in a couple of minutes and I can get back to something enjoyable.”

  54. 54.

    JPL

    Is paying off the pool boy an acceptable use of funds for a non-profit?     OMG how many people associated with trump are going to jail.   Will trump sacrifice his son, Eric?     I’m so pleased that we have a number of attys. who comment on this blog.

  56. 56.

    Ken

    @RaflW: Trump complained that the networks didn’t cover the roll call.

    They should appease him by broadcasting it tonight during the one hour they’ve allotted, instead of whatever’s happening live at that time.

  58. 58.

    Kay

    Anyone who thought the Trump people would have an “uplifting” message at the convention doesn’t know them.

    It has been 100% nasty and mean-spirited for 4 years. It’s who they are. Swaggering, obnoxious assholes.

  59. 59.

    Ken

    @germy: Someone announcing that their spouse was having an affair; would they make sure to add “Something in which I was not involved” ?

    “Also, I want to emphasize that I was not using hamsters to pleasure myself while watching my wife and the pool boy.”

  60. 60.

    germy

    @Ken:  I don’t think he cares, I think he’s just complaining because he wants his base to be good and mad at the MSM.

  61. 61.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: It was almost an airtight line.

    What hasn’t come up yet, other than rumors and rumored in other reporting, is that they’ve been doing the same thing with their personal trainer. Who they also hooked up with sweetheart deals using Liberty U money. In this case things are a little different, as the trainer is married. So in that case, if the rumored behavior are true, the affair either involved the trainer’s wife or the affair involved the trainer cheating on his wife.

  62. 62.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Betty Cracker: The Republican Hawaiian head of the delegation is a white woman. I wasn’t referring to the Democratic side of things, I know they got that right.

  63. 63.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Ayman Mohyeldin just asked Nancy Pelosi if Democrats were responsible for Republicans not passing more economic aid because they didn’t “keep the pressure up”. Nancy Pelosi is a bit too flabbergrasted to scold him properly, but she tries.

  64. 64.

    Eljai

    @germy:  When Jerry Falwell Sr. died, my first thought was “Good, I’m glad he’s dead.”  Still glad he’s dead.

  65. 65.

    PJ

    @germy: I confess I do not understand the sub/dom thing at all.  But there are powerful men who enjoy being humiliated.  I wonder if it has to do with their belief, prevalent in Republicans, that they need to dominate others in regular life to be a “man”, and their inability to express normal human compassion for others and themselves, including the recognition that we are all weak and vulnerable, leaves them craving for an experience of humiliation in their fantasy lives.  In other words, the closest they can get to acknowledging their vulnerability is enacting a display of submission before another that they themselves are directing – because their fragile egos will never allow them to acknowledge a lack of control over life and admit their own powerlessness.

  68. 68.

    Ruckus

    @Baud:

    We have calamari.

    They have McDs and american cheese on day old white bread, with imitation mayo for those who think that McDs is too modern.

  70. 70.

    Adam L Silverman

    @NotMax: That’s not actually what immaculate conception means theologically. It meant that Mary was herself without sin. It has absolutely nothing to do with a supernatural impregnation.

  71. 71.

    Ken

    @Ruckus: And they’ve only had McD’s for four years, since Trump took over and gave them a choice between that or well-done steak with ketchup.

  72. 72.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    @Yutsano: Absolutely, the Roll Call from the states themselves was an unexpectedly radical improvement over the traditional RC within the convention hall. I loved seeing our great country and the special speakers they had chosen (Matthew Shepard’s parents, for example).

  73. 73.

    Yutsano

    “So let’s see how you came to work for this impeached President…”

    I like me some Rashida Tlaib!

    EDIT: she keeps saying it!

  74. 74.

    Greg

    I think they made a good decision to have their roll call early in the day. It seems to pale in comparison (pun intended).

  75. 75.

    Jay

    @Ken:

    “Also, I want to emphasize that I was not using hamsters to pleasure myself while watching my wife and the pool boy.”

    So in keeping with Evangelical traditions it was a wetsuit, self asphyxiation and multiple inserted dildos?

  79. 79.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Oh, I think the whole thing was an evolving set of acts, not unlike peeling the layers of an onion.

    Becki wanted better sex and was flattered into itJerry learned about it and got some tingles, so they played at cuckoldry. I suspect that they went on to full swaps.

    Again, not my circus, not my clowns, but doing the moral scold thing while being down with the freaky freaky is a great error.

  80. 80.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    @narya: Yes!  The tightness of the convention leaving no slack for the talking heads was a real bonus, IMO.  Also, no more rude cutting away from the podium for what the networks considered unimportant speeches to listen to the talking heads bloviate.  Also, the speeches themselves were tighter.  Except for the crowd feedback which I’m sure some speakers missed, I thought the more intimate affect of the speeches was very effective.  Michelle Obama, of course, but also Biden.  Biden’s speech felt like an address from the Oval Office.  The only one I think would have been punched up with an audience was Kamala’s.

  82. 82.

    Ruckus

    @trollhattan:

    Most people would be better off if they lost 80 lbs.But it’s possible that Jerry only retained the crappy parts and that half of a jerry that he lost was the better part. I mean, would the devil give up the good or the bad?

  84. 84.

    Betty Cracker

    Another low-quality hire:

    Cliff Sims, a former aide to President Donald Trump, who sued the president after writing a brutal tell-all book about his time in the Trump White House called “Team of Vipers”, is back on the Trump team, serving an important role overseeing speechwriting for the upcoming Republican National Convention.

    Sims is not only supervising speech writing for the convention, but multiple sources tell ABC News he is also spearheading the efforts for remarks by the president’s children, including Donald Trump Jr. and Tiffany Trump.

    Trump Jr. told ABC News that “Cliff is a staunch supporter of my father and his America First agenda. He fought to elect President Trump on the 2016 campaign and has done a terrific job as Alabama co-chair of Trump Victory this year.” Trump Jr. added, “I’m excited that he’s now working with the convention team to help make this year’s RNC a gigantic success.”

    That’s the guy Trump called a “gofer” he hardly knew who was making things up. They can’t get anyone else. It’s the bottom of the barrel or nothing.

  85. 85.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    @Adam L Silverman: Oh God, on the one hand I get a little titillation hearing about this, and on the other if I never have to hear anything about Jerry Fucking Falwell, Jr. ever again in my life, that would be great.

  91. 91.

    germy

    @Betty Cracker:  Cliff Sims, a former aide to President Donald Trump, who sued the president after writing a brutal tell-all book about his time in the Trump White House called “Team of Vipers”, is back on the Trump team

    New York Times headline:

    “Trump Demonstrates The Power Of Forgiveness”

  92. 92.

    pamelabrown53

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Thank you for the link to your blog post. I will take your advice to heart; I truly believe that immersing oneself in a project is a wonderful way to ward off low grade depression. A sense of learning and accomplishment is important in the best of times.

  93. 93.

    Uncle Omar

    Without wishing too much harm on “‘red” states, wait until Hurricane Laura and the resulting damage to the lower Mississippi Valley take over the news cycles on Tuesday, Weds, and Thursday bumping these criminal morons off the news and newspapers.  I can hardly wait to the Presidential* whining.  Especially when someone points out that Obama would have cancelled his speech and gone out Presidenting if such a disaster had happened on his watch.  You know, like he did when Superstorm Sandy hit New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, etc..

  95. 95.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Salty Sam: Ninja babies are the worst type of ninjas because they use their cuteness and helplessness as weapons to disarm their targets before carrying out their assignments for their shinobi.

  96. 96.

    NotMax

    @pamelabrown53

    Would settle for a digitally remastered version of Marjoe.

    The film contains scenes from revival meetings showing Gortner preaching and praying for people in Los Angeles, Fort Worth, Detroit, and Anaheim. This is interspersed with footage of Gortner admitting on camera that he was a non-believer and revealing the tactics that he and other evangelists used to manipulate people and to move them during revivals.

    A clip.

  100. 100.

    Jay

    @PJ:

    Sub-Dom is a power inversion relationship usually, but it’s a double reversal.

    the Sub is usually the “power person”, (type A), the Dom is usually less powerful, ( type B), in their normal lives,

    But, the sub cedes control of the encounter in trust, however, after a joint scripting of the event, ( or a repeat of a past event), the Dom’s role is to give the Sub what they want.

    So while the Sub appears to be the “bottom”, they are actually the top.

    The difficulty of achieving this in a relationship with out someone taking advantage, is why there are a large number of Professional Doms.

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    according to “Kink”, the only exhaustively researched modern study of kinks and fetishes, most kinks are the result of a sexualized experience while a young child. Such as playing in your Mothers Closet.

  102. 102.

    WaterGirl

    @A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan): Last night on Pod Save America they Obama bros were all saying they mostly preferred the online version, but they thought we wouldn’t be able to do this next year because the TV stations weren’t going to want to air it if they couldn’t interrupt and have talking heads.

    I kept (silently) yelling at them – we have streaming, who cares if the TV stations don’t want to air the convention?????!?!??!

    Not to mention C-SPAN.  Have they never heard of C-SPAN?

    Also should have mentioned that it could be seen on Roku, Amazon Prime, Apple TV, all sorts of places where it could be watched on a TV set without having to watch

    I couldn’t believe they were saying that.

  103. 103.

    NotMax

    @WaterGirl

    Well, there’s a not insignificant number of people either without internet or without connection robust enough to comfortably handle streaming.

  105. 105.

    Subsole

    @Betty Cracker: In fairness, she seems an extremely misanthropic person in general. Likely thinks that about everyone she bothers to think of. Maaaaybe not her kid.

  107. 107.

    Subsole

    @germy: Powerful people tend to get off on having someone kick the shit out of them in private.

    Keeps their chi balanced, or something.

  111. 111.

    Bodacious

    @Yutsano:  I’ll second that!!! Just moved away from Boise a few months ago. The first visitor we ever had at our door was a Democratic canvasser. The young people are awesome there and make me feel hope for the future. Also, they HAD a very well coordinated and welcoming program for immigrants; not sure the status of that.  With a huge employer being Micron, high tech has brought a lot of diversity to the area. It was a very welcome and pleasant surprise to us. Still, a lot of guns per population.

  114. 114.

    lowtechcyclist

    One speaker said, “Joe Biden is hiding in the dark, waiting to take the lives of our unborn babies.” Seriously — that’s a direct quote. Video here. (I personally think “Joe Biden, Baby Assassin” will be a tough sell…)

    I want to go all Paranoid Android on those suckers, grab them by the shoulders and shout, “Life! Don’t talk to me about life!” in their faces. “You fuckers stood by Trump while he stood aside and let 180,000 Americans be killed by the coronavirus – that’s how much of a tinker’s damn you give about life. Look, I don’t know or care why you’re against abortion, though I can guess.  But it’s got nothing to do with your reverence for life, because you have none.”

    Seriously, it’s time to just let these bastards have it when they bring up abortion. No need to be polite, no point in saying it gently.  After the carnage of this year that they raised no objection to and laid their hypocrisy bare and defenseless, anytime any of them goes “but abortion…” the response they get ought to make them feel like their heads got blown off.  If it happens to them often enough, maybe they’ll get a bit gun-shy about bringing it up.

  116. 116.

    KenK

    @Adam L Silverman: the affair either involved the trainer’s wife or the affair involved the trainer cheating on his wife.

    Then it seems there was some cheating going on in an ‘either/or’ or ‘both/and’ fashion?

  122. 122.

    joel hanes

    @A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan):

    … leaving no slack for the talking heads was a real bonus, IMO. Also, no more rude cutting away from the podium for what the networks considered unimportant speeches to listen to the talking heads bloviate. Also, the speeches themselves were tighter.  

    QFT.    Cut the networks out of the convention — their “analysts” and “anchors” and “pundits” subtract value.

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