Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

They are lying in pursuit of an agenda.

There are a lot more evil idiots than evil geniuses.

This has so much WTF written all over it that it is hard to comprehend.

Nothing worth doing is easy.

Jesus watching the most hateful people claiming to be his followers

Red lights blinking on democracy’s dashboard

Let there be snark.

Something needs to be done about our bogus SCOTUS.

But frankly mr. cole, I’ll be happier when you get back to telling us to go fuck ourselves.

They want us to be overwhelmed and exhausted. Focus. Resist. Oppose.

We can show the world that autocracy can be defeated.

People are complicated. Love is not.

Shut up, hissy kitty!

You don’t get rid of your umbrella while it’s still raining.

“A king is only a king if we bow down.” – Rev. William Barber

Reality always lies in wait for … Democrats.

Republicans do not pay their debts.

Come on, man.

the 10% who apparently lack object permanence

Compromise? There is no middle ground between a firefighter and an arsonist.

Whoever he was, that guy was nuts.

“Jesus paying for the sins of everyone is an insult to those who paid for their own sins.”

New McCarthy, same old McCarthyism.

It’s pointless to bring up problems that can only be solved with a time machine.

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Gonna be hard to top last night’s horrorshow, but these RNC guys are dedicated professionals…



To be fair, maybe he just had a nasty case of pinkeye?

THIS WAS THE MOST UNKINDEST CUT OF ALL!

Odds on this being discussed by the Squatter-in-Chief during tonight’s rant?

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  2. 2.

    Ken

    I thought we could make an advance list of awkward moments.  For example, Governor  Kim Reynolds is speaking tonight, and had to announce today that the federal government will not be providing disaster aid to many Iowans affected by the derecho. Any other nominees?

  3. 3.

    Jinchi

    Every picture I see of Trump Junior, he looks like he’s trying desperately to puff out his chest. But he does it by leaning his neck backwards and he looks like a drunk at a bar about to fall over backwards.

    Then I remember all the pictures of Trump Senior with his bizzare forward lean, like he’s about to fall on his face. Do these two suffer from some weird genetic mutation, or is someone actually teaching them to pose like this?

  5. 5.

    Elizabelle

    So, Jerry Falwell Jr. has decided to stay resigned.

    WaPost: Jerry Falwell Jr. confirms he has resigned as head of Liberty University

    Jerry Falwell, Jr. confirmed Tuesday that he has resigned as president of Liberty University, after agreeing to step down Monday in the wake of scandals involving personal conduct.
    Falwell, 58, had led the university since 2007, taking over the school from his father …  He said he sent a letter of resignation around 11 p.m. after conversations with a board member.

    “I’ve accomplished all I can accomplish and I want to move on,” Falwell said. “I was starting to get bored.”

    I like his style with the “bored” comment.

    [Falwell] said a board member was pressuring him to resign earlier Monday, but he wanted more time to decide — and to avoid giving credibility to a report by Reuters that day that described him watching his wife have sex with another. He called that story “90 percent false.”

    His wife, Becki Falwell, said in an interview that she did have an affair, describing it as embarrassing and humbling.

    “I wish Christians and people would be as forgiving as Christ was,” she said. [Don’t we all?]

    She also denied that her husband watched her have sex with another man.

    …. “The quote that keeps running through my mind is Martin Luther King Jr., ‘Free at last. Free at last. Thank God Almighty, I’m free at last,’” Falwell said. “There’s something big in the future but I don’t know what it is yet.”

    Bored. And “free at last.” LOL.

    I feel for the Falwells; they should have privacy in their marriage BUT they are foisting the Christianist lifestyle and hypocrisy on others. Anyway, let’s wait for the financial audit.

    And a comment from a writer who graduated from Liberty:

    Evangelicals tend to have an individualistic view of sin, so when one famous leader falls from grace, they tend to see it as “one bad apple,” Merritt said.

    Again, no understanding of that proverb. It’s the barrel, people.  And unrealistic expectations, too.

  6. 6.

    Jerzy Russian

    @Baud:    Just an FYI:  we will become members of each other’s extended families as I plan to marry that comment and have its babies.  Maybe we will run into each other at a family reunion in the future.

  7. 7.

    Ken

    Odds on this being discussed by the Squatter-in-Chief during tonight’s rant?

    Is he speaking tonight?  There was a schedule earlier today and he wasn’t listed.

    Tuesday’s lineup: First Lady Melania Trump, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Sen. Rand Paul (KY), Iowa Governor Kim Reynolds, Florida Lieutenant Governor Jeanette Nuñez, Attorney General Daniel Cameron, former Attorney General Pam Bondi, Abby Johnson, Jason Joyce, Myron Lizer, Mary Ann Mendoza, Megan Pauley, Cris Peterson, John Peterson, Nicholas Sandmann, Eric Trump, Tiffany Trump.

  8. 8.

    Ken

    @Elizabelle: a report by Reuters that day that described him watching his wife have sex with another. He called that story “90 percent false.”

    He does keep setting up the jokes, doesn’t he?

  9. 9.

    Elizabelle

    @WaterGirl:   I know.  It’s like a bad, bad movie.

    Makes me want to see the whole of her speech, to laugh.

    C-Span link.  KGuilfoyle appears to do her shouting thing at 1:15:16 in.  Seems to be about 6 minutes, so maybe that is bearable.

  10. 10.

    RSA

    Kimberly Guilfoyle just said she was a first generation American and then said her mother was from Puerto Rico.

    How funny. Checking Wikipedia, I discover that she does have an arguable claim to being a first-generation American—her father was born in Ireland. That seems not to be part of the narrative, however.

  12. 12.

    Calouste

    @Jinchi: Some people say it’s because they’re wearing heel lifts to look taller. And as a society we’re just not used to seeing men in high heels.

  14. 14.

    gkoutnik

    @Ken:   Originally from Utah Policy, bwo Political Wire:

    Burgess Owens (R), who is running for Congress in Utah’s 4th congressional district, reportedly plagiarized numerous passages in one of his books, Why I Stand: From Freedom to the Killing Fields of Socialism, Utah Policy reports.

    Owens devotes an entire chapter of his book to smearing civil rights leader Rep. John Lewis (D-GA), who passed away earlier this month.

    He is scheduled to speak at the Republican convention on Wednesday night.

  16. 16.

    Jinchi

    @Elizabelle: Again, no understanding of that proverb. It’s the barrel, people.

    Right. “One bad apple spoils the whole barrel”. How is it no one remembers the last few words of that phrase.

    It’s even worse when they shrug off “a few” bad apples.

  19. 19.

    Kristine

    That photo of open-armed Guilfoyle shouting reminds me of a scene in the Eva Perón miniseries that starred Faye Dunaway. Eva is receiving coaching on her speechmaking from an acting teacher, and one of the lines she practices is “My life…for Perón.”  So dramatic.

    Not sure why I associated one with the other, but there you go.

  20. 20.

    bbleh

    Y’know, instead of watching live, maybe I’ll just check out the highlights online tomorrow.

    Oh wait … [checks notes] … I didn’t do that today.

    Hmmm…

  22. 22.

    StringOnAStick

    @Elizabelle: I knew Falwell’s fallback  would be to blame it all on his wife, and that she’d accept the subordinate position and start posing as being oh so contrite over it all; oh course you knew there would be a “forgive like Christ” reference ASAP.  You know those womenfolk, full of sin starting with model 1.0.

    They’ll try to sell it as ordinary missionary humping and a short and temporary failure to honour her vows (his won’t be mentioned), as plain and vanilla as possible, in the darkest dark and no one watching. 

    I wonder if the various pool boys have signed a ghost writer yet?

  23. 23.

    cain

    Seriously, “Aristocrats”? I mean it seems better if the caption was “KHAAAAAAAAAAAAANNN!!!!”

  24. 24.

    Chyron HR

    Overnight ratings for night one of the conventions. Six networks combined, 10-11p ET:

    Democratic – 14.6

    Republican – 11.6

    But did you check the BOAT RATINGS???

  25. 25.

    Jinchi

    @Calouste: Some people say it’s because they’re wearing heel lifts to look taller.

    I guess, but Trump Senior is legitimately a big guy. Why would he need heels? Shouldn’t he be wearing oven mitts, instead?

  30. 30.

    bbleh

    @Ken:  Is he speaking tonight? There was a schedule earlier today and he wasn’t listed.

    I’ll bet you one of Junior’s empty powder bags that he will be entirely unable to help himself.

  33. 33.

    TS (the original)

    Marc Thiessen has to be a caricature. A real person could seriously not write these words. His item today in wapo (no link – I haven’t read it)

    Trump spent the first night of his convention making his appeal to Black voters. It was an outstanding start.

  34. 34.

    BigJimSlade

    Poor Falwell Jr read that title as “Strap on for the RNC Carnival” – he was getting his hopes up.

  35. 35.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Ken: How can this be?  How can this be?

    I mean, I get the attitude (which I sometimes have) that these people voted for Donald Trump, they voted for GrOPer governance, and they’re just getting what they voted for.  But FFS, these are his *base*.  His Ever-Lovin’ Base.  WTF, aren’t his advisors telling him he needs to move heaven-and-Earth to save them?  I mean, I figured the reason Reynolds delayed asking for a disaster declaration and FEMA, was so that Shitler could come in on his white steed and save the day.

    Fuck, he’s really gonna let ’em rot.  I’m actually surprised by the fucker.

  36. 36.

    lamh36

    Dinner. Some people make sandwiches as hurricane prep, I make gumbo…LOL

    https://twitter.com/psddluva4evah/status/1298373067203383296?s=20

     

    btw,  looks like Laura is heading more West than expected, so now full impact is expected in Houston and parts of Southwest Louisiana particularly Lake Charles.  I believe there is a mandatory evacuation for Lake Charles, but not sure.  NOLA will be on the “wet” side though, so we can still expect higher tides and rain, depending on the well the pumps work, flooding is still a possibility.

    https://twitter.com/Laurie_Garrett/status/1298381722275524608?s=20

     

    As an essential worker, unless they activate the hurricane team, I will still be expected to report to work.  Landfall is expected Wednesday but moving away from NOLA, so I don’t expect the hurricane teams to be activated.  As long as there is no flooding I should be good.  With the right amount of rain, a few of the streets round my apartment does flood

  38. 38.

    Elizabelle

    This might be news to our Californians, and anyone who lives there.

    (And, incidentally, KGuilfoyle’s former husband is the state’s governor, from the transcript — it’s ALL CAPS and that is perfect for her delivery):

    IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE SOCIALIST BIDEN-HARRIS FUTURE FOR OUR COUNTRY, JUST TAKE A LOOK AT CALIFORNIA. IT IS A PLACE OF IMMENSE WEALTH. IMMEASURABLE INNOVATION ANDER MAC LAT ENVIRONMENT. AND THE DEMOCRATS TURNED IT INTO A LAND OF DISCARDED HEROIN NEEDLES IN PARKS, RIOTS IN STREETS AND BLACKOUTS IN HOMES. IN PRESIDENT TRUMP’S AMERICA, WE LIGHT THINGS UP. WE DON’T DIM THEM DOWN.

    I feel so badly for our Californians, tripping over heroin needles.

    Um, no.

  39. 39.

    Martin

    White privilege is Don Jr. confident there won’t be a no-knock warrant executed against him.

    My understanding is that Sr. will be speaking every night of the convention.

    Michael Cohen on Maddow tonight, for the lulz.

  40. 40.

    Calouste

    @Jinchi: The shitgibbon says he’s 6’3, but actually is closer to 5’11, heading towards 5’10 at his age. (Apparently his driver license said 6’2, and that’s already a lie as usual, then subtract 2-3” for the heel lifts.)

  41. 41.

    CliosFanBoy

    @Ken: Great article, thanks!!

    I remember “Cracked” as a poor copy of Mad Magazine back in the day,  but their website is great.

  43. 43.

    Elizabelle

    In moderation, because I put up some lines from the Kimberly Guilfoyle transcript.  Which was in ALL CAPS.

    I don’t blame WordPress.

    It’s like a bad, bad movie.  Unbelievable, a parody.

    I think she was in six inch heels.

  44. 44.

    Another Scott

    @Jinchi: Oven mitts would be a bit too obvious for his short fingers.

    If you ever wondered if Trump wears lifts in his shoes, here’s your evidence. pic.twitter.com/NVleL1DewH— ROBERT MANN (@RTMannJr) March 25, 2020

    They’re huge.  No wonder he looks like he’s about to fall over when he’s walking down ramps, or even when viewed from the side.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  45. 45.

    Elizabelle

    @lamh36:   Does your hospital have places you essential workers can stay, so you are not traveling in dangerous storm conditions?

    Be safe, lamh.  Definitely noted Laura is on track for your present and future homes.

  46. 46.

    Montanareddog

    @Ken:

     

    “90% false”. The fact checkers rate this statistic as true, because he was peeking through his fingers at the time.

    Or through the closet’s Louvre doors

  48. 48.

    Mary G

    A group of athletes led by LeBron James will roll out a multimillion-dollar program in the next few weeks to recruit poll workers in heavily Black electoral districts for November’s election, a person familiar with the plans says. https://t.co/KOsCSRWnCr— NBC News (@NBCNews) August 25, 2020

  49. 49.

    BigJimSlade

    @Baud: Dammit. I didn’t read through first because I wanted to make a pithy comment, but the very first comment makes the same basic joke (I just added Falwell Jr.) :-/

  50. 50.

    gene108

    @TS (the original): 

    I guess I do not know black people, as well as Marc.

    I’d think they would be upset that Republicans accuse them of bringing crime, drugs, etc. to the ‘burbs.

  51. 51.

    NeenerNeener

    @Jinchi: He’s old and he’s shrinking. He’s probably 2 inches shorter than he was 20 years ago. Plus, his youngest kid towers over him.

  52. 52.

    PPCLI

    @Ken: Let’s wait to see the speech. It could be that she announced that today so that this evening in her speech she can announce that Trump just said he will dump money on Iowa for disaster relief.

  53. 53.

    dmsilev

    @TS (the original):

    Marc Thiessen has to be a caricature. A real person could seriously not write these words. His item today in wapo

    The Post feels obliged, for whatever reason, to keep some of the most ridiculous conservatives on staff for the op-ed page. Hugh Hewitt is another example.

  54. 54.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Chetan Murthy:

    Fuck, he’s really gonna let ’em rot. I’m actually surprised by the fucker.

    He’s a mean son of a bitch who finds no pleasure in helping others and considerable pleasure in hurting them.  It is so bad that he seems unable to grasp the idea of protecting others to protect himself.  He at least can grasp preferentially doling out bennies to those loyal to him, but Trump is at a level of cruel narcissism where that is not automatic.

  55. 55.

    RedDirtGirl

    @Elizabelle: Can’t help but notice the “90% false” comment as well. Maybe 90% of his body mass was in the closet while only 10% watched.

  57. 57.

    PPCLI

    @RSA: I don’t think that is how it works. My wife is American at least 6 generations back on both sides. I’m an immigrant. I don’t think our kids count as “first generation American”.

    Unless her mom immigrated to Puerto Rico, Don Jr.’s squeeze isn’t first generation.

  61. 61.

    gene108

    @PPCLI:

    I always thought the children of immigrants were second generation, and the immigrant was first generation?

    You could do second generation on one side, and ‘x’ generation on the other.

  62. 62.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    @WaterGirl:

    Holy shit, I thought you guys were exaggerating about all the Kimberly G shouting. Holy Fuck-ski. That clip was something else.

    In her defense, she had to yell like that because it’s a well known fact that the MAGA demons she was trying to summon from her lectern are hard of hearing.

  63. 63.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @TS (the original):

    I’m trying to tell people, these dumb shits honestly think they’re convincing blacks to leave the Democratic ‘plantation’.  Part of racism is seeing the Other as inferior, and it can lead to some truly screwed up thinking.

  65. 65.

    rikyrah

    It's not about mail-in voting. It never has been. It's about taking away your right to vote, taking away your right to vote a criminal and a traitor out of the White House.— Tim Edwards (@TimEdwardsZero4) August 24, 2020

  66. 66.

    PPCLI

    @gene108: Ah, right. My error. I’m first generation.

    But can you be “half second generation half 10th”? Maybe there isn’t a fixed set of rules to decide this.

  67. 67.

    Calouste

    @PPCLI: Normal usage also is that immigrants themselves are considered the first generation, and their kids the second generation. So even by that count Ms. Scream-Loudly is second generation.

  68. 68.

    J R in WV

    How much DO you eyes weigh, as a proportion of your body mass? 90% is probably accurate if he only watches.

    I doubt he only watches, actually… once you get excited from the scene, then what?

  69. 69.

    NotMax

    Just spent half an hour remotely accessing* Mom’s PC while I was also chatting on the phone with her in order to download, unzip and reinstall the solitaire app she likes which the latest major Windows 10 version update had sent to the netherworld. Apparently, from fast research, the zapping a common happenstance with this particular app, as it is the original Win 7 version).

    *Yay for TeamViewer!

  70. 70.

    gene108

    I want Melania to do her speech in Slovenian, so we can hear Republicans praise her for speaking more than one language*, and how patriotic it is to speak Slovenian in America.

     

    * I am not mocking her English. She is a fuck ton more multi-lingual than the vast majority of this country, including myself.

  72. 72.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Jinchi:

    I guess, but Trump Senior is legitimately a big guy.

    You can search around, and find what seems compelling evidence that he’s maybe 5’9″, maybe 5’11”.  He wears lifts, and when you put him next to legitimately 6’3″ guys, he’s shorter.  Apparently, there’s a strong correlation between hand size and height.  And the hand-size of his Madame Tussaud’s statue (for which he apparently modeled) is consistent with a 5’9″ male.

  73. 73.

    Cameron

    Mr. Miyagi, official after-hour entertainment coordinator for the RNC: “Strap on.  Strap off.”

  76. 76.

    Baud

    @gene108:

    3 of the 4 House Reps are Democrats. The blue wave hit Iowa in 2018.

    Trump is making a logical decision for Trump. Iowa turned traitor.

    Sometimes I wonder if the best way to get the Heartland to vote Dem is to tell them that Trump is treating them like black people.

  77. 77.

    gene108

    @PPCLI:

    Yes, you can half second generation on one side, and 10th generation on the other.

    I am also an immigrant, and describing my niece and nephew in any other way would not make sense.

    When my nephew was in elementary school, he had to do a project tracing his family roots in the US. My SIL’s family apparently goes back to the late 1600’s, when an ancestor immigrated from Sweden. Our side goes back to August 18, 1977, and my mom gave him a first hand account. My brother and I were both very young, so our memories are hazy.

  78. 78.

    Roger Moore

    @Elizabelle:

    I feel for the Falwells; they should have privacy in their marriage BUT they are foisting the Christianist lifestyle and hypocrisy on others.

    The charitable interpretation of Falwell’s “free at last” comment is that he’s never believed in any of this stuff but went along because he felt pressured to live up to his father’s legacy.  Now that he’s completely blown that up in public, he’s actually free to live his life as he wants rather than trying to live up to others’ expectations.  If that’s what he means, I feel a glimmer of sympathy for him.  It’s not enough to make me forgive him for all the shit he’s done to others, but I can at least imagine him as both victim and perpetrator rather than just perpetrator.

  80. 80.

    Elizabelle

    Hmmm.  Vox story.  They very delicately outline the possibility of blackmail or coercion by Trump.  In the event Michael Cohen discussed the Falwells much with Trump.

    Vox.  Story has a lot of good links to previous articles from various sources.

    The details of the sex scandal are getting a great deal of attention. But more broadly, this is a tale of financial, institutional, and political corruption involving one of the most prominent evangelical organizations in the country — and the saga may even have helped make Donald Trump president.
    Gaps in the story remain, but what we know is that in 2015, Michael Cohen — whom Falwell had met a few years earlier when Trump came to speak at Liberty — tried to help the Falwells deal with a problem stemming from this situation. (Cohen later said that the problem involved someone obtaining compromising photos of Becki Falwell.)
    A few months later — and a few days before the 2016 Iowa caucuses — Falwell Jr. announced that he was endorsing Donald Trump for president. This was one of Trump’s first prominent endorsements, and it was surprising and controversial among evangelicals, considering Trump’s weak ties to organized religion and his messy personal life.
    There’s no hard evidence that Falwell’s endorsement of Trump was tied in any way to Cohen’s assistance to the Falwells (whether as a favor, quid pro quo, or blackmail). But it doesn’t really need to be. What is clear is that Cohen knew at least part of the story of this highly personal and private situation — a story that would be extremely damaging to Falwell’s career if it got out. And as Falwell was deciding whom to endorse in 2016, he knew what Cohen knew.

  83. 83.

    Chetan Murthy

    @PPCLI: Yikes.  I’ve spent the last 5mos in my house, except for trips to the grocery store parking lot and the open-air farmer’s market.  And to drop off groceries for my mommy.  Jesus, I can’t imagine anybody with a mother, who would watch that, and then go out to “have a life”.  That’s an *excellent* ad.  And reminder that I *still* can’t go out and “have a life”.

  85. 85.

    MomSense

    I’m going to watch because I’ve been watching conventions since I was a little kid and because fuck the Republicans.  I want to bear witness to their depravity. However, I think it is irresponsible for the media to give them additional time and one could argue they shouldn’t cover it at all since their actual convention has already ended.

  86. 86.

    Roger Moore

    @Kristine: 

    That photo of open-armed Guilfoyle shouting reminds me of a scene in the Eva Perón miniseries that starred Faye Dunaway.

    Apparently it reminded many younger people of Rita Repulsa, the villain of the first season of Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. The memes around that comparison were pretty amazing.

  87. 87.

    lamh36

    @Elizabelle: if you are on the hurrican activation team, you come into work and you stay.

    If they don’t activate the teams, then everyone is expected to report to work.

    Usually they activate the teams the day before the storm is expected to have landfall.  As of this afternoon, still no activation

  89. 89.

    Chetan Murthy

    @gene108: Whoa, really.  Interesting.  I did not know that.  And here I’ve been thinking (in my bitterer moments) that the brought this on themselves.  But if they voted against the fucker in 2018, hey, I stand corrected.  Thank you for setting me straight.

  90. 90.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    If I lived to be 100, I’d never understand the thinking of stone cold stupid Trump voters like this moron in Iowa:

    When Aaron Schatz surveys the wreckage of 2020, he finds himself doing surprisingly well.

    Profits on his Iowa dairy farm are up thanks to coronavirus. The pandemic feels a distant threat, and Schatz has yet to wear a mask. Black Lives Matter protests are an annoyance but really someone else’s problem.

    But Schatz is worried that Donald Trump, the man he hesitantly backed four years ago after twice voting for Barack Obama, may be in trouble.

    “I’m more for Trump than I was before. As a dairy farmer, I feel like I’m sitting better than I have in 10 years,” said the fifth-generation farmer in Howard county, north-eastern Iowa.

    “But I’m a little scared for Trump. It’s gonna be a tough battle. A year ago I wasn’t worried. I thought he’d have it.”

    “I’m upset with our media. I think all they do is portray him as being such an evil man. There’s still things about Trump that bug you and stuff but I hate seeing some of these news stations. They don’t cover anything decent that he does. It’s just everything they can to put him down,” he said.

    “Take coronavirus, which is not in his control. I feel like he’s doing all right. I guess it’s a lot of unknowns that nobody really knew about. He had how many people giving all their different opinions? Which one is the right one?”

    Schatz is not bothered by Trump’s questioning of his experts on the necessity of masks to limit the spread of Covid-19, or the rush to reopen businesses before the virus was contained.

    “I never have wore a mask yet. I guess I don’t feel a threat out here on the farm away from people. I know we’ve been getting more cases in our county here, but I feel if I’m gonna get it, I’m gonna get it,” he said.

    h/t https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/21/iowa-us-election-trump-biden-voters

  91. 91.

    Jay

    The owners of this car dealership in Kenosha say they have sustained hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage in the last 2 nights of protests & that insurers say they don’t cover this type of destruction. “But if it actually gets justice, sure burn it 20 times” they tell me pic.twitter.com/1M7spwpTWm— Aleem Maqbool (@AleemMaqbool) August 25, 2020

  93. 93.

    MomSense

    @MisterForkbeard:

    Yup, she screamed that nonsense.  It wasn’t even the most insane shit from last night. In their world teachers spit on innocent kids.  The state of California wanted to kill a woman with cancer.  I still don’t know what ground bound dreamers was all about – it was completely batshit.

  94. 94.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Roger Moore:

    I feel a glimmer of sympathy for him.

    The cuck coulda resigned when his pappy died, gotten on with his life.  Instead he foisted his bullshit Christofascist cult on thousands and thousands of students, and eventually on millions of Americans.  He can burn in Hell.

  99. 99.

    Elizabelle

    @MisterForkbeard:   It is insane.

    And there’s more.  Click on the C-Span link and you can see all her drivel.

    George Orwell would never have gone with any scene so blatant. But, we’re in TrumpWorld.

  100. 100.

    Ken

    @PPCLI: Here is an amazing ad that turns the Republican scared senior ad on its head.

    Pity they couldn’t film a new ending, where the little old lady looks out the door and it’s a couple of adorable children calling “Grandma, grandma!” and holding up “We love you” signs.  Then she bolts the door and stands with her back against it, sobbing “I won’t ever hold them again….”

  102. 102.

    Roger Moore

    @Ken:

    Also, Trump himself and most of his kids are second generation, since their mothers were immigrants.

    I remember Ann Coulter tweeting about how Trump would win in a landslide if only people whose grandparents had all been born in the USA were allowed to vote, only to get roasted by people pointing out that nobody in the Trump family would be allowed to vote under those rules.  Tiffany is the only member of the whole clan who has more than half her grandparents born here.

  103. 103.

    LongHairedWeirdo

    @Jinchi: Orange Ape Trump has lifts in his shoes (and that’s one of the reason he had to walk so mincingly down the ramp – and isn’t it cute, he already knew it looked bad, so he pumped his arms, to ready his lie “I ran down the last 10 feet”, except, wow, you’d have to be a REPUBLICAN to pretend to believe a whopper like that).

    Boogaloo Trump is probably just stupid, but it’s not entirely his fault; his parents have to take *some* responsibility.

  104. 104.

    MisterForkbeard

    Interesting note at TPM: Evidently serving Secretaries of State don’t appear at campaign events, and Pompeo’s plan to do it is getting him in minor trouble. He’s violating his own policy to do it, basically.

    Won’t mean much to Trump republicans, but maybe Dems can ding him somehow and nail him to the wall later.

  105. 105.

    Elizabelle

    @rikyrah:   Because I don’t think they wanted to be part and parcel of EvangelicalLand, even while they loved the money, the perks, the jet.  They are opportunists, and the family business bit them.

    And I did see Falwell Jr., in the Vox story, complimenting Trump for pulling the Obama birth certificate shit.

    It’s funny that Falwell Jr. and the 3 older Trump children (and Jared!) may wish Trump had just stuck to the golf course and bragging.  Prime time has enriched them all, but might still pull them all down, down, down.  I hope so.

    I despise people for lies.  I despise them less for human frailties.

  108. 108.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Elizabelle:

    Jerry Falwell, Jr. confirmed Tuesday that he has resigned as president of Liberty University

    Of course, that could be read as “re-signed,” as in he renegotiated his contract which he then signed, again.

  109. 109.

    RSA

    @PPCLI

    Unless her mom immigrated to Puerto Rico, Don Jr.’s squeeze isn’t first generation.

    Yes. You’re correct, according to most definitions. I added “arguable” because of the complexity of immigration categories; some academic studies would put Guilfoyle in a special category.

  110. 110.

    laura

    @Ken: Larry Flynt will always and forever be relevant when it comes to Falwells. Big First Amendment case: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/flashback-hustler-magazine-scores-first-amendment-victory-against-jerry-falwell-128956/amp/

    Jerry senior sued Hustler and Larry for 45 million and lost at the Supreme Court with Kennedy recused, White concurring in the majority decision. Bless Larry for upholding our Consitution and its Rights – the 1st and 14th.

  112. 112.

    Elizabelle

    @laura:   And that became one of my favorite movies, ever.

    Woody Harrelson as Larry Flint. Edward Norton as his lawyer.  Milos Forman’s movie.

    The People Vs. Larry Flynt.  Wonderful movie.

  115. 115.

    Elizabelle

    @SiubhanDuinne:   Yes.  And many have noted that Liberty’s strict Code of Conduct applies to  … students.

    I think Barbara was wondering if Falwell Jr. lucked into a contract without a morals clause.  LOL.

  116. 116.

    wuzzat

    @RSA: I’d argue that while a lot of academic studies would put her in a special category, most of them would have nothing to do with her citizenship.

  117. 117.

    Bill Arnold

    @RedDirtGirl:

    Can’t help but notice the “90% false” comment as well.

    I assumed he meant that he only watched 10% of the time, and mainly listened, because that’s his style. Nice to see him fall down hard, though.

  118. 118.

    James E Powell

    @Chetan Murthy:

    I figured the reason Reynolds delayed asking for a disaster declaration and FEMA, was so that Shitler could come in on his white steed and save the day.

    No doubt he told her she had to do the RNC speech praising him first, and then he’d see what he could do.

  119. 119.

    Martin

    @Jay: The U/U church whose sign is featured in many of the photos didn’t sustain any damage. The sign melted, but the church is fine.

  120. 120.

    geg6

    @debbie:

    He was a player for his USFL team (New Jersey Generals, I think?) and was also a contestant on Celebrity Apprentice.  Also has brain damage from football.  Sad but not surprising.

  121. 121.

    laura

    @Elizabelle: Hey, Courtney Love says What about Courtney Love!?! Yes, that was a great movie, and while he’s alive, Larry had yet to tweet about Jer Jr. As of last night.

    Also, Larry may have been on to something re Jerr snrs 1st time…

  124. 124.

    MomSense

    @Jay:

    I read the statement of the Unitarian Universalist Church that was damaged by fire but saved from being lost.  Brought tears to my eyes.  The church is right next to the car lot.
    There are a lot of pictures of the church’s wayside pulpit surrounded by flames.  The message was Black Lives Matter.

  125. 125.

    H.E.Wolf

    Per WIkipedia, “first generation” is defined in more than one way. (This was news to me!)

    According to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary “first-generation” means

    1. “born in the U.S. -used of an American of immigrant parentage”
    2. “foreign-born -used of a naturalized citizen

    According to the U.S Census Bureau, first generation refers to those who are foreign born, second generation refers to those with at least one foreign-born parent,

    We’re Merriam-Websterites in our family. :-)

    [ETA: My father, who was born in a country other than the USA, used “first generation” to refer to us, his offspring. So that makes us of the Merriam-Webster persuasion… and in any case, at the moment, I don’t trust the Census Bureau farther than I can throw it.]

  128. 128.

    WaterGirl

    What happened to Booman?

    Why the GOP Convention’s First Night Was (Kind of) a Success

    Under the circumstances, the first night of the “convention” went off fairly well and was probably more effectivethan most liberals recognize or want to admit. If nothing else, it took attention away from all the negative stories that were swirling around. The theory behind the first night’s programming wasn’t difficult to discern. Black voices attested to Trump’s lack of racism, while white voices spoke to suburban fears of Black crime. Trump is trying to cut into Biden’s margins in his areas of strength, and he’ll hope to do it without hurting the enthusiasm of his more rural base. Trump also used his primetime slot to rewrite the history of the COVID-19 outbreak, hoping to make his failures less of a liability for him at the polls.

    Based on the goals for the night, it seemed like the Trump campaign achieved its goals. The message was necessarily mixed and contradictory, so the programming was anything but consistent or truly coherent, but the Republican National Committee made the arguments it wanted to make—and it made strategic sense. The confab’s organizers were probably pretty pleased with how it went, but it won’t do much to fix the legal and political problems that keep mounting around the president, his family, and his allies.

    Not linking to the Washington Monthly because I’m pissed.

  129. 129.

    NotMax

    @geg6

    “Imagine how much more brain injury there would have been if Donald had not destroyed the USFL.”

    //

  133. 133.

    PPCLI

    @gene108: I suspect there is a bit of myth-making about the multiple languages. The times I’ve heard her attempt to speak French, she couldn’t handle more than the most rudimentary greetings. Including one time when she was meeting with a bunch of French elementary school kids and after one or two standard pleasantries she quickly switched to English.

  140. 140.

    NoraLenderbee

    @Calouste: Here I am working for a living like a shmuck, when I could be rolling in my millions drinking the blood of Christian babies. How come nobody told me?

  143. 143.

    Elizabelle

    @SiubhanDuinne:   I think it was “immaculate environment” — except for the heroin needles.

    C-Span took its transcript from Closed Captioning, and I cannot blame them if no one wanted to watch that debacle to clean up the transcript.

  144. 144.

    bemused

    Just learned that 20 mail sorting machines removed in Minnesota, 7 Minneapolis area, 13 throughout state. I need sedatives.

  145. 145.

    Kay

    I heard something interesting tonight. Nick Rubando is running against Latta in OH, US House.

    He said they polled the district he’s running in and Biden is up 6 in Wood County, which is considered a bellweather county in Ohio. This is very good news if true.  I of course asked follow ups to try to verify this information for you but that’s all I have.

    So take that as you will :)

  148. 148.

    ballerat

    @Roger Moore: There is no charitable interpretation.

    His cribbing MLK is fucking offensive. A rich powerful privileged white grifting bigot, comparing what he has brought on himself through his own character flaws and bad judgement  to the injustice, powerlessness, oppression and hard life of black servitude. Fuck that cynical manipulative hypocrite.

    He thinks he’s the victim here. Oppressed all his life. Now freed from slavery. Fuck that rich white godhumping partyboy whiner.

  149. 149.

    LongHairedWeirdo

    @cain: If you don’t know the reference, there’s a joke, “The Aristocrats”, where the buildup is supposed to be discussion of an act so foul/disgusting/whatever that it would never be booked, and, when asked the name of the act, the answer is “The Aristocrats!” – which is pretty weak these days. I don’t think people hear “aristocrat” and have the image people would have had when the joke was invented.

    Her fictional narrative was, like a good telling of the aristocrats, so crazy and over-the-top, that, at the end, if someone had said “uh, and what do you *call* that act we just saw?” a proper answer would, indeed, be “THE ARISTOCRATS!”

    That said – “KHAAAAAAAAAAAAANNN!!!!” would work, too – anger displayed for the sole purpose of creating a false narrative.

  151. 151.

    Elizabelle

    @Jeffro:   Yup.

    And looking at the WaPost excerpt again:

    to avoid giving credibility to a report by Reuters that day that described him watching his wife have sex with another.

    Another what??

  154. 154.

    HumboldtBlue

    @gene108:

    Fuck her, as one wag said when told she speaks several languages, “yeah she can speak four languages but it’s the same three words for each. ‘you pay first'”.

  157. 157.

    James E Powell

    @Kay:

    Biden up by six in Wood County OH would be stunning. It went for Trump 50-42, with 5 going for Gary Johnson. Are students back at Bowling Green?

  158. 158.

    Brachiator

    Gonna be hard to top last night’s horrorshow, but these RNC guys are dedicated professionals…

    Trump and the RNC have decided to go all in on selling resentment, racism and fear to white voters. There are a few crumbs thrown at non-white voters to try to mask the racism.

    I don’t care much how pundits rate the convention. I’ve seen headlines at conservative sites claim that the convention has been a success, confounding liberal expectations. I discount this stuff.

    But I am curious about viewership levels and voter reaction and will want to see post-convention polls.

  159. 159.

    Barbara

    @SiubhanDuinne: Considering that rural counties (in both red and blue states) and Appalachia have a much higher incidence of narcotics abuse of all kinds, it’s kind of rich to associate California with heroin use.

  160. 160.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @NotMax:

    reinstall the solitaire app she likes

    I hope it’s MobilityWare. They do the best, cleanest solitaire apps I’ve ever used. I play eight different MW games every morning, to shake out the cobwebs.

  163. 163.

    James E Powell

    @Barbara:

    When Republicans talk about California they are not talking to anyone in California. It’s just an imaginary place where gangs rule the streets and the air ain’t fit to breath.

  164. 164.

    Kay

    @James E Powell:

    Well, it’s kind of a famous bellweather county. “Famous” being relative of course :)

    I’m not sure “students being back” would matter because obviously the students were also there in 2016.

    There’s more! Rubando is only back 7 from Latta (according to this polling) and Latta won in ’18 with 62%. Now they have 17% undecided. It’s just very positive. Fingers crossed.

  165. 165.

    James E Powell

    @Baud:

    Different Bowling Green. I believe the massacre did not take place in Bowling Green KY. This is Bowling Green State University, in Wood County, Ohio, about 20K students.

  166. 166.

    Kay

    @James E Powell:

    It wouldn’t really be stunning, because it’s swingy. It would be winning. Obama won it twice:

    Wood County continued its string of correctly predicting the presidential winner, with Obama winning nearly 51 percent of the vote. Obama also won Wood County in the 2008 elections.

  167. 167.

    The Thin Black Duke

    @WaterGirl: I see it as privilege because anybody who isn’t a heterosexual white guy with money would be scared to death watching that freak show last night because every dirtbag there who spoke made it clear what they thought about everybody else who wasn’t them and what their future plans were for us. Boorman, however, chose to think of it as an intellectual exercise. Because he has no skin in the game. That’s privilege.

  169. 169.

    TS (the original)

    @H.E.Wolf:

    used “first generation” to refer to us, his offspring.

    My part of the world it is the same. My parents/grandparents were all born in Australia – two of my 8 great grandparents were immigrants, so I am 3rd generation.

  170. 170.

    Another Scott

    @WaterGirl: I haven’t read him regularly for a while, but he’s always seemed to have a bit of a contrarian take on some things for a nominal liberal.

    In the excerpt, one could read it as him saying, “well, they had control of everything they presented, so – since the gates of Hell did not open up and swallow them all – yes they presented what they wanted and made their case to those inside their bubble…”

    He tends to write carefully, so one has to read him carefully too, I think.

    My $0.02.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  172. 172.

    Barbara

    @Elizabelle: Another man.  The pool boy, like most people of his generation, has digital receipts: audiotapes, text messages and screen shots.  Reuters was shown Facetime screen shots of Becki Falwell in the buff and her husband visible in the background peeking around the door.  The article was 90% false suggests that he only watched 10% of the time.

    They used their private jet to fly this guy to meet up with them.  My husband and I had a good laugh hypothesizing about what he would think if I kept insisting that we invite a much younger male friend to meet up with us when we were traveling around.  “Don’t forget to book a room for Giancarlo!  See if they have anything adjoining.”

  176. 176.

    Frosty Fred

    @James E Powell: A slightly batty (sorry, but she was) older southern lady was in the habit of calling me in California to complain about–well, the topic is irrelevant, not political. She would end her calls that she was praying for me, and I thought she was talking about fires. I told her we were pretty OK here, the fires were in another part of the state. “No, I mean all those people rioting in the streets.”

    ETA: It may have been a coincidence that her business name was abbreviated CSA, but I honestly doubt it.

  177. 177.

    dmsilev

    @Brachiator:

    But I am curious about viewership levels and voter reaction and will want to see post-convention polls.

    I can’t find the link just now, but apparently TV ratings for the DNC first night were a few million higher than the RNC; both were down substantially compared to four years ago.

  178. 178.

    Keith P.

    So whatever happened with Rudy Giuliani’s big Joe Biden “expose” that was supposed to happen on Biden’s speech night?

  179. 179.

    Jeffro

    Recognizing that we are only one night in on the RNC here, all four nights of the DNC displayed the parties values as well as exhibiting significant outreach to swing voters and even disaffected Republicans.

    The RNC is missing a huge chance to reach out to the remaining 3 swing voters in America and I for one hope they keep it up!

  181. 181.

    Amir Khalid

    @Ken:

    Trump is a grandson of a German immigrant, Friedrich Trump. I thought that made him third-generation American.

  182. 182.

    NotMax

    @SiubhanDuinne

    Should anyone be interested, it’s all the games which originally came with Windows 7, downloadable here. Includes both Solitaire and Spider Solitaire. During install, one can uncheck any specific games which hold no interest. Someone once in the past mentioned to me to be alert during install as it wants to also install some adware (which can be bypassed) but saw no evidence of any such today.

  184. 184.

    sanjeevs

    Liberty University owes Jerry Falwell, Jr. a total of about $10.5 million over the next two years after he resigned as president of the nation’s largest evangelical college following several scandals, according to a person close to Mr. Falwell with knowledge of his employment contract.

    Mr. Falwell is due his $1.25 million salary for two years, followed by a lump-sum payment of about $8 million, because of a clause in his contract that allowed him to resign with full pay if his responsibilities were curtailed, which they were when he was put on an indefinite leave of absence two weeks ago, the person said.

    WSJ

    Wonder how much of that is tax dollars.

  185. 185.

    Mary G

    Crazy lady removed from the RNC lineup tonight for being too upfront.

    I retweeted a very long thread earlier without reading every post within the thread. My apologies for not paying attention to the intent of the whole message. That does not reflect my feelings or personal thoughts whatsoever.— Angel Mom Mary Ann Mendoza?TEXT EMPOWER TO 88022 (@mamendoza480) August 25, 2020

    CNN now reporting that Mary Ann Mendoza has been abruptly removed from tonight’s program. Mendoza just tweeted an apology for retweeting anti-Semitic QAnon conspiracies https://t.co/rC8qaC9A5n— Abby D. Phillip (@abbydphillip) August 26, 2020

    I found the thread she retweeted and it is obvious from tweet #1 that it anti-Semitic bullshit. Every word is capitalized. Not going to link, it’s just nuts.

  187. 187.

    James E Powell

    @Amir Khalid:

    There are two uses of “first generation” with no consensus favorite. Some call the people who immigrated the first generation, others use that term for the first born in the new country.

  188. 188.

    Kay

    @Mary G:

    If you read Q you just knew they were going there. It was inevitable. And of course about 25% of the Trump base are not only reading Q, but writing it.

  189. 189.

    Keith P.

    @sanjeevs: That’s why Jerry Jr. said he wasn’t involved.  He doesn’t want the (definitely existing) morality clause to kick in.

  190. 190.

    Kay

    @Mary G:

    She never should have been there anyway! She was involved in the Bannon wall scam. So apparently ripping off their voters is AOK, but now she’s gone too far?

  191. 191.

    NotMax

    @Steeplejack

    Heh. Was typing that info out simultaneous with you asking. #182 above. Installer comes within a .zip file; I presume you already know how to extract from that type of file. If not, give a holler.

  193. 193.

    RSA

    @wuzzat:

    I’d argue that while a lot of academic studies would put her in a special category, most of them would have nothing to do with her citizenship.

    LOL. No argument. I saw only maybe a minute of her speech and thought… well, thoughts that are not easily expressed.

    On Twitter, Rex Chapman posted a Kimberly Guilfoyle/Dwight Schrute mash-up that seemed to capture the spirit, even to someone like me who’s never seen The Office. (Probably already posted here, but I haven’t checked).

    https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1298285841232650241

  194. 194.

    DMcK

    @Calouste:

    Guilfoyle’s mother is Puerto Rican; in other words, an American citizen, not an “immigrant” whatsoever. So it’s pretty shitty of her to use her own damn mother to force Puerto Ricans — fellow American citizens — into the Trumpists’ racist conception of scary border hordes (gaslightingly gussied up in a supposedly heartwarming immigrant’s tale, of course).

  198. 198.

    Barbara

    @Mary G: I just loathe the practice of trotting out parents of children who were killed by Trump’s most despised villains as a means of justifying his efforts to continue demonizing immigrants.

  200. 200.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @WaterGirl:

    I used to read Booman Tribune with almost the same regularity as BJ, Wonkette, and Digby. But I probably haven’t even thought of him in nearly a year.

  202. 202.

    Steeplejack

    Is this the thread we’re using for this thing? We’re already 40% to a TBogg unit.

  203. 203.

    Roger Moore

    @Keith P.:

    So whatever happened with Rudy Giuliani’s big Joe Biden “expose” that was supposed to happen on Biden’s speech night?

    Maybe Rudy forgot about it.  Memory problem, you know.

  206. 206.

    SiubhanDuinne

     

    @PPCLI:

    Bonjour, mes enfants.

    Comment ça va?

    Bien. Très bien.

    Now ve see how iss yur Engliss. Ve spek ohnly Engliss from now, hein?

  209. 209.

    Mary G

    @Elizabelle: Her son was a police officer killed by a drunk driver who also happened to be undocumented. Personally, I’d blame the drinking, but YMMV.

  210. 210.

    JMG

    @Kay: Heavy duty anti-Semitic comments, right up to praise for Protocols of Elders of Zion, found in her social media past. Her kid got killed and she went nuts. Very sad, but also telling the Trump folks were willing to exploit her problems for a soundbite.

  212. 212.

    Steeplejack

    Flamingly Christianist invocation from a Latina lady.

    Pledge of Allegiance recited by a young white woman.

    Navajo Nation Vice President Myron Lizer. Not sure what he’s talking about. Oh, wait, Trump got the tribes some funding.

  213. 213.

    Jay

    In Canada, a First Generation Immigrant refers to a person who has Immigrated here, and become naturalized.

    Second and Third Generation only apply to children of, and grandchildren of, parents/grandparents who were both Immigrants.

    I’m not considered any common “generation” of Immigrant, because both my Grandmothers were born in Canada, even though both my Grandfathers were immigrants.

    My ex however, is considered 2nd Generation because both her parents immigrated from Italy.

    Guilfoyle is just faking it, lying and pretending.

  217. 217.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    @Keith P.:

    So whatever happened with Rudy Giuliani’s big Joe Biden “expose”

    They’re probably waiting to spring it out as an October surprise.

  218. 218.

    andy

    @Baud: heh… i enjoy a good pegging myself, but there’s nothing safe, sane, or consensual happening at the RNC…

  220. 220.

    TS (the original)

    @dmsilev:

    First night of GOP convention draws 15.8 million viewers, 3 million less than Democratic conventio

    Via WaPo – mixed in with live updates to the GOP convention so no link from me

  222. 222.

    Citizen Alan

    @LongHairedWeirdo:  Perhaps off topic, but one of my favorite documentaries was the one Penn Jillette produced about The Aristocrats joke, which consisted mainly of dozens of comedians telling that joke over and over again while putting their own unique spin on it.

  223. 223.

    Geminid

    @James E Powell: This question of how to count from the immigrant ancestor, and whether to count from the grandfather or the mother, confuses the hell out of me. So I’m just calling trump a “turd generation American.”

  224. 224.

    Jay C

    @Keith P.:

    So whatever happened with Rudy Giuliani’s big Joe Biden “expose” that was supposed to happen on Biden’s speech night?

    They’re probably waiting to “spring” it later in the campaign: which will give them more time to “clarify” (i.e. fabricate) some of the “charges”.

  225. 225.

    Citizen Alan

    @Barbara: I think the single most contemptible thing about Republicans (out of a loooong list) is the way the literally only care about the deaths of other human beings when they can use those deaths to slander Democrats. As if the life of a child who died at the hands of an illegal immigrant is intrinsically more worthy of consideration than, say, the life of a child who died as a result of drinking tap water in Flint, Michigan.

    EDIT: And in this case, it’s not even a child! It was a grown man, apparently, a cop who was killed on duty. But yeah, let’s call them Angel Mothers.

  228. 228.

    SFAW

    @Amir Khalid:

    Trump is a grandson of a German immigrant, Friedrich Trump. I thought that made him third-generation American.

    Actually, he\s an “anchor baby,” since — as others have already pointed out — his mother was an immigrant when he was born. [Note: to be honest, she may have already been a citizen when the Murderer-in-Chief was born, but until shown otherwise, I’ll go with her NOT being a citizen.]

  230. 230.

    sgrAstar

    @NotMax: and one of our most celebrated climbing areas is called…The Needles!!!11!!??

    They’ve even got a whole city namedNeedles!

  231. 231.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @Jay:

    To be completely honest, I no longer give a fuck about the material needs of hardworking rust belt white industrial laborers.

  233. 233.

    Bill Arnold

    @Keith P.:

    So whatever happened with Rudy Giuliani’s big Joe Biden “expose” that was supposed to happen on Biden’s speech night?

    On his show, as he describes it (didn’t watch) he had some doctors on saying that Biden was senile. It was proven to be bullshit by Biden’s speech. So much so that there were immediate counterfactual accusations that Biden’s speech was pre-recorded.

    In the latest episode of “Common Sense,” Joe Biden’s cognitive state is assessed by independent doctors. Their conclusion is that Biden’s rapidly deteriorating mental condition has made him unfit to serve as president.WATCH:https://t.co/eCD8j7sTvw— Rudy W. Giuliani (@RudyGiuliani) August 20, 2020

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