“… Bring your own chair.”
"They are larger than life."
For the first time in its history, New York City's Central Park will have a statue commemorating real-life women featuring women's rights pioneers Susan B. Anthony, Sojourner Truth and Elizabeth Cady Stanton pic.twitter.com/L1nRVOJDAI
— Bloomberg QuickTake (@QuickTake) August 24, 2020
And here is an image the first statue of a female legislator I can remember seeing — the Pharoah Hatshepsut, in the Metropolitan Museum, abutting Central Park. As the online commentary mentions, “Hatshepsut also wears the false beard and shendyt-kilt that are part of the regalia of a king. Looking at the side of her face it’s possible to see the strap that holds this false beard in place…” Commemorate your triumphs!
On The Road – Auntie Anne – The “Lesser” Parts of Versailles
Baud
Catching up on the late night threads, I can only conclude that both parties are the same.
Also, MomSense is entitled to hazard pay.
Baud
Msb
Can’t wait to see the new statue, even though I don’t think it’s very good as a sculpture.
Baud
Baud
Hillary should have worn a false beard.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
This is magical – nine minutes of Lara Trump talking to Becki Falwell about the wonderfulness and generosity of spirit of Donald Trump, followed by a discussion on the wonderful outreaches of Liberty University before a segue into the importance of family values…
twitter.com/FrancisDMillet/status/1298208431938002945?s=20
Baud
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
You seem to be enjoying the scandal.
Cermet
You mean in ancient times, woman didn’t wear fake beards only for stoning events?
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
All I hope for anyone is that they find a lover that looks at them in the same way as Falwell’s teen daughter gazing on Granda while Becki glares from the side.
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Patricia Kayden
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Baud:
It’s good, but to be perfectly honest, it isn’t as good as Ted Haggard’s “meth and rent boys” fall from grace in terms of sheer glee.
germy
Baud
germy
Baud
debbie
Wrong bitch. Apologies.
germy
MomSense
@Baud:
I think the funniest thing is that Steep and I both thought they were about to show some lesbian porn – and I wasn’t even drinking.
Sober take is that they are worried about Covid and trying everything they can to pretend they actually had an effective response.
germy
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
Falwell, jr. resigned, and then changed his mind.
debbie
@Baud:
I didn’t watch, but it was reported that the night was spent showing Trump’s softer side. Ewww.
JAFD
Good morning, jackals and jackalettes !
‘Tis about as nice a day today as one may expect in August in New Jersey, and I hope ’tis as nice wherever you are.
Was at the hospital Friday afternoon, got hearing checked. Ear doctor said ‘your hearing’s fine for frequencies up to 3500Hz, but has dropped off above that’. Which is why (as I may have told you before) I have trouble picking up conversations out of background noise.
Anyway, doctor said that’s not unexpected for someone my age, and there’s not much that can be done about it. Mayhaps you know some electronics hacker, with gadget that amplifies only high frequencies, or someone selling old-fashioned ear trumpets…
Friend said there are ‘selective amplifiers’ for hunters, sold in sporting good shops. Will look into.
At end of June – last time I was at University Hospital – were about 8 tents for tests and isolation outside Emergency entrance. Only 4 now.
If you’re getting old, have friend or relative who is, or are planning on getting old yourself, you really need to read
story.californiasunday.com/covid-life-care-center-kirkland-washington
Stay healthy, happy and hydrated !
Baud
@debbie:
They focused on his brain?
debbie
@Baud:
Worse. His heart with all his empathy.
Baud
@MomSense:
I do worry that people (not you) will go back to viewing their antics as “entertainment.” It’s an attitude that keeps people from taking them as serious a threat they should.
raven
@JAFD: Modern hearing aids are adjusted to the frequencies that you need.
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone???
OzarkHillbilly
@debbie: Huh, I woulda bet a million bucks he didn’t have one.
rikyrah
@Baud:
It would be irresponsible not to speculate?
Anya
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: How does one become a “First Lady” of a ‘university’?
rikyrah
@JAFD:
Morning???
Baud
@rikyrah: Good morning.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@germy:
Birdies are remarking that there’s a prisoner dilemma over the books. Exposure poses an existential threat to both Falwell and the school. Falwell’s problem is criminal, the school’s problem is in tax status and access to federal aid and loan programs.
He may have been holding out for a premium parachute.
rikyrah
@Baud:
Was there any doubt?
rikyrah
@germy:
Interesting????
rikyrah
@Patricia Kayden:
Uh huh???
Patricia Kayden
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@debbie:
I’d say that last night’s big winner was Gavin Newsom. Every single negative thing he ever told his closest friends, confidants and therapists about Kim were confirmed as true by her.
They can all ring him up and say “Oh. I see what you meant. Yeah, you’re right to be away from that.”
OzarkHillbilly
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: DINGDINGDING, we have a winner. Yeah, their #1 fundraiser knows where the bodies are buried and he’s not going away until he’s properly taken care of. I suggest they give him the Paulie treatment.
germy
Baud
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
I still can’t get my head around that relationship. Talk about strange bedfellows.
Baud
@Patricia Kayden:
It will be if the GOP gets a chance to finish what it started.
MomSense
@Baud:
I actually don’t think they should air it at all since their convention was done yesterday afternoon. Instead the networks gave him extra time. So here we go again with the media and their free advertising.
debbie
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
She’s the worst. She’s a clone of Leona Helmsley (who was one of Trump’s earliest competitors in the NYC hotel world) with a dash of bitchy Dana Loesche thrown in.
germy
Granda taped a three way (phone conversation) and Falwell’s wife seems oddly… emotionally invested… in something we’re calling a kink:
I mean, she cried all day when the pool boy told her he hooked up with a different woman? And this is only someone Mr. & Mrs. Falwell encountered only a few times a year for “casual” sex.
That doesn’t sound like a kink… it sounds like a serious infatuation.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@OzarkHillbilly:
“Now I’m gonna have to turn my back on you.”
Ken
@germy: That conversation would be 50 demerits, a $200 fine, and 40 hours community service if the participants were Liberty University students.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@germy:
That’s what I thought about that recording, too (although there was likely at least one other – the personal trainer). Nothing inherently wrong With her liking some different dick every so often, or even developing a little emotional infatuation, but don’t go preaching morality.
In their case, he couldn’t handle their lifestyle (I think they evolved to full swaps and MMF threesomes) and has spun out of control. She’ll file the D before September is done, based on him breaking every ethical tenet in that lifestyle.
OzarkHillbilly
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Great scene. So understated with menace, so loaded with abject fear.
Baud
@MomSense:
At least they’re not salivating over his MAGA rallies.
Betty Cracker
Have y’all noticed there’s a whole lot of phone call recording going on lately? There’s Mary Trump recording her auntie. There’s the pool boy recording the Falwells. There is also allegedly a phone recording of the Third Lady slamming Trump and his adult children, particularly Ivanka. This was recorded by the Third Lady’s ex-friend — the one who helped the Trumps spend twice as much on an inauguration that was attended by half the number of people — cha-ching!
Here’s hoping the Third Lady recording gets released and leads to a Dynasty-style showdown in the “renovated” Rose Garden.
Gin & Tonic
@Baud: If she’d shut the fuck up, she’s probably pretty hot in the sack.
germy
@Betty Cracker:
If the screenwriters of this dystopian movie were really creative, they’d add a scene where Melania delivers her RNC speech, but some disgruntled employee overdubs the audio of the phone call where she criticizes the family
And the RNC is declared a success anyway, and he wins the Electoral College.
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
Everyone’s wearing a wire.
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
It’s a kind of projection on the Right. They’re all liars so they all have to record one another in every interaction.
There is, um, a lack of trust. Justified! They’re untrustworthy people.
It’s a miserable way to live. Every man for himself!
germy
My impression is that she’s the one who couldn’t handle the lifestyle. Her getting emotionally infatuated with the pool boy wasn’t something Falwell jr. anticipated. He just wanted some kinky fun, not her crying all day.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Gin & Tonic:
Crazy has a value in and unto itself in the dirty dirty department, but the actual fun part doesn’t really last longer than a long weekend or so. Best not to let crazy know your real name, I’m told (ahem).
Baud
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
Where do you think “Baud” comes from?
raven
@Gin & Tonic: Not with YOUR unit!
Baud
The Michael Cohen ad shouldn’t get lost in the shuffle. It’s good.
germy
@Kay:
OzarkHillbilly
@Betty Cracker: I did the same when I started getting death threats form the ex’s husband and has drunk ass buddies. Came in handy in court too. The mere mention of the existence of tapes shut their lawyer up better than a gag.
Ken
@Betty Cracker: Part of that may be that the technology to record phone conversations is easier, similar to the way that anyone can now make and distribute videos.
The other part is motivation to make them. IIRC Mary has said she was recording in hopes that her aunt would say something about that long-ago inheritance fight. Melania’s friend appears to have been thinking of a tell-all book. The pool guy – well, could have been to protect himself from accusations of rape, but could also have been for monetization (though blackmail is such an ugly word). So money might be the motive in all three.
Frankensteinbeck
@germy:
My money is on the pool boy treating her better than her husband ever had.
Danielx
Extended viewing of personalities with personality disorders is not recommended. Small doses only.
WereBear
I listened to the Chris Hayes podcast where he interviewed Stuart Stevens, longtime R operative and author of It Was All a Lie: How the Republican Party Became Donald Trump.
According to him, the Rs completed their conservative wishlist with the two W administrations, then they sat back and waited for miracles to happen.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@germy:
He should have anticipated the infatuation. I’ve seen these dynamics quite a bit in family law – open the marriage for real and you’ve opened Pandora’s Box.
Kay
@germy:
We have a far Right prosecutor here- I don’t interact with her that much but whenever I do I’m shocked at how she consistently infers sinister motives to everyone. No one operates in good faith. Everyone is in it for themselves. Every word and action is strategic. I know some of these people better than she does so I’m thinking “he did this…WHY?” Just very far from the realm of reality, as to this person.
I think this is a description of her interior, in the same way it is for Trump. If everyone is bad then they’re not unusually bad, they’re just savvy knowers of the real world.
raven
@Betty Cracker: In Georgia the recorder does not have to inform the other party. We always told faculty to assume they were being recorded.
MomSense
@Baud:
I just don’t know how that spectacle was received. I can’t tell if the propaganda last night was enough for those people who want to vote for trump except that his handling of the pandemic concerns them.
For me the lies and contradictions were so obvious. Even within the speeches of supposed smart people like Nikki Haley one statements would be contradicted by one just a sentence or two later. And the bumper sticker speeches were literally just false patriotic bumper stickers followed by fear bumper stickers, rinse repeat. There was zero substance to any of the presentations. The problem is that whenever I’ve tried to talk to GOPers, they also talk in those stupid bumper sticker statements. I can’t relate at all to the person who can just absorb that bullshit and think it means anything worthwhile.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Frankensteinbeck:
I’m gonna surmise that the short refractory period that one gets from being with a younger dude is a lot of fun.
Guessing that the expose piece from last year about Jerry bragging about his prowess to the staff at LU was really Just about projection.
rikyrah
germy
@Frankensteinbeck:
Definitely. Until then, her emotional experience had been limited to the circles Falwell et al. travel in. Insensitive religious hucksters and hustlers.
Baud
@MomSense: I’m not too concerned about the die hard GOP base. Trump will get his millions of votes. I’m more concerned about casual voters who are entertained by the well-deserved mockery of the GOP and don’t internalize the seriousness of the situation. Not much to be done about it, except to keep our eyes on the prize.
rikyrah
rikyrah
Patricia Kayden
But it’s not a cult.
rikyrah
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@rikyrah:
I’ve seen him compared to Carroll O’Connor’s Archie Bunker, but Archie had an empathetic side that he could engage.
Trump is not similarly equipped.
rikyrah
PsiFighter37
@Patricia Kayden: That’s pretty fucked up.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Kay: I once saw a study of job applicants filling out a questionnaire. One question was “Have you ever stolen anything from work?” You’d think everyone would just say “no,” but it turned out some people said “yes.” When asked about it later, they said everyone stole so if they said “no,” the prospective employer would think they were lying.
That stuck with me. I take it as evidence we really do tend to judge others based on what we’d do.
PsiFighter37
So…was Donnie Jr. actually coked out of his mind?
Immanentize
@PsiFighter37: Coke is so ’80s. There are far better drugs available to the wealthy these days. Mostly from people his girlfriend described as “human sex drug traffickers”
Kay
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Good Lord. It’s so corrosive too, because liberal democracies basically run on trust. Consent. Most people don’t steal because if they did we’d need a cop in every kitchen.
When we were little and we did something selfish my father would say “what if everyone did that?”
It was SO effective with me- I would see this blasted landscape, all littered and dirty, everyone, I don’t know CUTTING IN LINE, not replacing the cap on the ketchup bottle- chaos!
I then did it with my own kids. They have a running joke where I call them “selfish”. I overheard it and I was horrified but they’re right- I did do that. They’re better for it! :)
Dorothy A. Winsor
I didn’t watch the RNC last night but I’m looking at clips (when I can stand it).
The DNC looked like an awards show. The RNC looks like a training session with speaker after speaker at the podium. That doesn’t look like it will wear well for a four night stretch.
Also, I see Trump is complaining that the networks didn’t show the roll call of the states when they showed it for the Ds. But they did that in the afternoon, I think. Possibly even the morning. Did he expect wall to wall coverage for 12 hours a day?
Immanentize
The sad thing, in so many ways as mentioned above, is that the jokes do write themselves. The Republicans offer a form of entertainment even to those who really disagree with and dislike everything they stand for.
And on that note, my favorite clever take on Falwell resigning/not resigning/resigning from Liberty:
“He is not going to take this crouching in the corner. He will come out swinging!”
germy
According to Michael Cohen, he had no choice!
Frankensteinbeck
@Patricia Kayden:
The reasoning flows in the opposite direction from a cult’s, though. Trump is a reflection of GOP voter values and what they see as a good role model. He is how they see themselves in power. He’s a belligerent chickenshit asshole racist who believes that rules are for lesser people and he is owed everything he wants, including worship. Oh, and he’s not just stupid, but proudly ‘my merest word is gospel and fuck you anyone who thinks they know better than me about anything also you nerds are boring talk about how great I am some more’ stupid. He is the avatar of how they think white men should be allowed to treat the world, and after electing a black president the world needs to have its face rubbed in that fact.
Closely attached is that, yeah, more than half of Republican voters think that 180,000 deaths is fine. Why should they care, as long as they personally are not dead? Other people suffering and dying is fun.
Immanentize
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
That is so true! A great take. Again, probably the product of Trump being stuck in the 80’s.
Patricia Kayden
@Betty Cracker: I’m looking forward to hearing Melania eviscerate the useless Trump children and her obnoxious hubby. We always knew she hated him though so this is just more confirmation that they can’t stand each other.
germy
Jinchi
Remember when Melania went on a safari to Africa and we learned that she thinks she’s the most bullied person in the world? This was months after the child-separation controversy hit the news. She is a true Trump and a narcissist, through and through. I’m sure they all hate each other, I’m sure most of the bullying she gets is from the family and I don’t doubt the audio exists.
I just expect that whatever she was complaining about is something the rest of us wouldn’t give a damn about, and I really don’t care, do U?
Gin & Tonic
@Kay: It’s funny what kids “remember.” We had a conversation over the weekend with our daughter, now 36 and married. She and her husband were making plans to go baby-sit his sister’s kids, where the older one is 15. My daughter thought a 15-year-old could be left alone for a night to care for himself and his younger sister. She recalled when she was in high school and my wife and I went to Europe for two weeks and left her to care for herself and her little brother. Now that didn’t actually happen, but the interesting thing is that she recalled it not as us being neglectful monsters, but trusting parents who knew she could handle the responsibilities.
germy
The RNC looks like something I have to sit through before buying a time share.
Gin & Tonic
@germy: NARRATOR: he did, of course, have a choice.
Patricia Kayden
@Frankensteinbeck: Keep in mind that many of the people dying now are in red states and most likely also Trump devotees. It’s okay though because they’re being sacrificed so Trump can claim that he handled the Coronavirus like a boss.
Immanentize
@Kay: I had my first criminal law class last night. I always ask them to raise their hands if they ever committed a crime. About half do. Then I tell the others they are either naive or mendacious because everyone has committed some crime(s). (Here I mention driving over the legal limit).
But then I also tell them not to worry, because they are the deterables. That’s how they got to law school! They followed rules! They didn’t end up getting a juvenile record. They put the top back on the ketchup.
Immanentize
@Frankensteinbeck: Hmmm. That perfectly describes the McCloskeys and their legal jihad practices.
Jinchi
Wait, did you ever go to Europe? Was she just wrong about the year? (e.g. she was a 19 year old college sophmore not a 15 year old high school one.)
And did you convince her she was in error or is she convinced she’s right?
CatFacts
The RNC may be pre-empted in the ratings by Hurricane Laura if the hints in this morning’s NHC discussion of a track shift closer to Houston/Galveston are correct. Can’t imagine the networks will be showing hours of the RNC if there’s a major hurricane threatening the Houston metro area by tomorrow night.
Jinchi
@Patricia Kayden: Just because they live in red states doesn’t mean they’re Republicans.
germy
Immanentize
@CatFacts: right now it looks like a direct hit on Boliver Island north of Houston. Lots of gas facilities there in Beaumont/Port Arthur
Haydnseek
@germy: Like Kellyanne. She wants to step down so she can spend more time lying to her family.
KayInMD (formerly Kay (not the front-pager))
I had a cat named Hatshepsut! A beautiful little red Abyssinian. We called her Hattie. She was tiny and dainty, but very regal. She always knew just where to sit to show herself to best advantage. When she was a young cat she was not allowed outside, because the minute she made it out the door (and you had to carefully slip in the door or she would bolt out) she would climb a tree and not be able to get down. Once, when I was out of town, my husband managed to let her escape and couldn’t find her. He was sure a fox ate her When I got home at the end of the week I put up signs in the neighborhood. Turned out she had spent 4 days in a tree 2 blocks away!
Anyway, When Hattie got to be an old lady she would sit in the garden under the catmint, reaching up now and then to bat at the blossoms. I could almost see the wide-brimmed hat and garden gloves on her. Now she’s buried beneath that catmint.
Wow, that was quite a subject detour! You reminded me of my sweet friend who has been gone for over a decade, so thanks.
Kay
@Immanentize:
I have a lawyer-friend who has no sense of humor so is often funny, without meaning to be. She was in this Democratic womens group I had years ago and she had to quit – “I’m a rule person! I’m not ashamed of that! These people don’t know how to follow rules!”
Not willing to herd the cats.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@germy:
I’m a 58 year old reasonably competent lawyer, and have never found myself in need of making recordings of conversations I’ve had with people. It says something about the Trumps and the type of people in their orbit that so many feel the need to record these people’s representations – even long before Trump came on the scene.
germy
@KayInMD (formerly Kay (not the front-pager)):
I still think of my cat who died in 1989
That’s a beautiful story about your cat, I love your description of the hat and garden gloves.
Gin & Tonic
@Jinchi: Well, we’ve been to Europe many times, but never left high-school-aged kids at home while we did so. I’m not sure she’s convinced, but I didn’t spend a lot of energy on that, as the truth didn’t matter that much. Our kids still seem to love us, so I’m not going to worry.
But it’s odd what you can convince yourself of. Long ago, I worked in NYC, and had a co-worker who grew up in Jersey and was 100% certain that he’d gone on a school trip to the Statue of Liberty and climbed the stairs up the arm into the torch. Now that access was permanently closed off in 1916, so his recollection is simply impossible, but he believed it anyway.
Kay
@Gin & Tonic:
It is funny. My daughter has a baby so she’s been looking at pictures of herself as a baby. In one of them, she is wearing 1. a straw Easter hat and 2. the top of a Halloween costume. She’s like “what was going on there?” :)
What was going on there was she was insanely insistent on dressing herself and I gave up that day. Pick your battles. Her daughter will be the same, soon.
Soprano2
You mean how they can’t decide whether Joe Biden is a wimp who would be soft on crime and defund the police or was the man who sponsored the 1994 crime bill that put thousands of black men in jail? I think their main problem is that they believe everyone understands “Fox News Speak”. How many casual viewers who tuned in saw that couple from St. Louis and said “who the hell is that?”. I thought it was funny when they showed pictures of the “mob” they were “menaced” by, and it was a few people outside of their house on the sidewalk and in the street.
The main messagees of the RNC convention are that they are white people who will keep you safe from those scary black and brown people. The economy was great until the China virus was sent here by China, and Republicans are totally not racists. The COVID pandemic is almost over, you don’t need to worry about that anymore and besides it’s all the fault of those terrible Democratic governors (as if the huge outbreaks in FL, GA, TX, AZ, MS, AL, etc. never happened). I personally think it’s too much cognitive dissonance for anyone who pays attention to what’s actually going on. Who thinks the economy is great right now? Who thinks the pandemic is over? Only people who already live in the Fox News universe think that.
Immanentize
I just realized:
Kimberly Guilfoyle is Dana Loesch.
All the bile, but no assault rifle.
This year’s model.
germy
@Soprano2:
Immanentize
@Kay: Law can be a respite for such folks.
Jeffro
25 hours a day, actually.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Gin & Tonic: For some reason I’ve become oddly addicted to reading the /r/MandelaEffect group on Reddit. These are people who when they find the world is not the way they are absolutely convinced it has always been, conclude that they have magically shifted universes.
A lot of people are convinced they’ve been up in the torch. And a lot of people are also convinced that the statue used to be on Ellis Island.
Jeffro
On balance, I would have preferred that trumpov just shot that one guy on Fifth Avenue and gotten away with it, instead of letting 180,000 Americans die while he golfed.
Kay
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
There was a story that came out during the 2016 campaign, where someone who represented Trump said they had to have at least two lawyers in the room in all discussions with them because he would lie later both about what he said and what they said.
Whatever he’s paying, not worth it. No trust at all. What a hugely toxic situation to put yourself in.
JPL
@Immanentize: Years ago the pipeline to Atlanta was blocked. I reminded my sons and we are going to fill up.
Gin & Tonic
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: Clearly I am not aware of all Internet traditions – why is it the Mandela effect?
Jinchi
I literally thought she was Dana Loesch until I read that sentence and wondered “Who’s Kimberly Guilfoyle?”
Gin & Tonic
@Kay: Isn’t that kind of like when you’re going fishing you can’t take one Mormon[Baptist?] but you have to take two? Because if you take one he’ll drink all your beer.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Immanentize: I already Facebook posted the crazy “arms wide at Tanagra” photo of her from last night and captioned it “There is no Dana, only Zu’ul”.
Fitting.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Kay:
I was thinking precisely of that.
Ken
@Gin & Tonic: Google search turns up:
Kay
@Jinchi:
That jumped out at me too. I’m glad I wasn’t alone. What kills me is they’re adults who have operated in really sophisticated circles for decades and yet they cannot even MIMIC what a normal person would say in an interview. I mean, Jesus Christ. It isn’t that difficult. If you’re asked about your anti-bullying work don’t talk about YOURSELF. I feel like that’s the privilege. They simply never had to follow social norms. Exceptions were made, and continue to be made, because they are special.
Obama was the opposite. He wasn’t permitted to wear a tan suit. Too scary!
It’s about how much room you get to create for yourself in the world. How many exceptions are afforded you. Of course he’s disciplined! He had to be.
OzarkHillbilly
@Gin & Tonic: It’s a story as old as humanity. We all do it to some extent. Even the most honest person in the world will unintentionally “fill in the blanks” of a memory or put a rose tinted hue on an unpleasant one.
Aleta
From 2004, Guilfoyle when married to Newsome (both on C. Rose Show)
Big difference. Shape shifter.
charlierose.com/videos/14027
Booger
@Dorothy A. Winsor: I thought about this recently, as I realized I had a stack of legal pads and steno books and pens from the office. I would grab one of the above at my desk when I was getting ready to go home, and pack up what I was working on. I would work on something at home, remove the relevant pages from the pad, bring those back to the office the next day and leave the pad at home. Never considered it anything untoward until I realized how much had accreted over time.
Theft? Not intentionally. End result? Transferred property from employer to personal, so theft maybe? Conversion? Any lawyers want to chime in?
Kay
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
Ha! It probably resonated with all lawyers. I don’t even think he pays that much, or pays at all, really. I cheered when one of the small contractors he stiffed got a mechanics lien on one of his shitty properties, but I know what that cost the contractor. The fucking RAGE alone. I bet he’s no longer in business.
Betty Cracker
@Gin & Tonic: When I was a teen, my mom really did leave me in charge of the younger siblings a few times (a couple of days at most), and boy was her trust misplaced!
As a result, I never left my daughter in charge of so much as a potted plant for her entire childhood. But the funny thing is, she would have probably been FINE! She was nothing like me as a teen.
OzarkHillbilly
@Booger: GUILTY!
@Kay: The best part is all the other contractors learned the lesson and started doubling their bids.
rp
@Aleta: Holy cow. I barely recognize her.
Kay
@OzarkHillbilly:
The Paint Spot. I (actually) love small businesspeople so the name made me sad. I also know what happens to people in extended litigation- it takes a chunk out of them. Whatever they’re awarded they pay with a pound of flesh. It’s miserable for average people. It’s really why I’m pro-regulation. Everyone can’t sue. They’ll go out of business.
Gin & Tonic
@Aleta: How much surgery has she had? Jesus.
Spanky
@Booger: Were you paid for the work you did at home? Were the items you took used to do that work?
germy
Jeff Daniels plays Comey in The Comey Rule
youtube.com/watch?v=Dc8XsWQMcs8
mrmoshpotato
@Baud:
I just read a few comments of the 97! and you’re totally right! God bless her (and God help her ?.)
Nicole
@Gin & Tonic:
Oh… my dad and stepmom left me, my younger brother and 2 younger stepbrothers (we were all teenagers) alone for a week when they went on their honeymoon. During the school year. Was that bad?
(Of course, I babysat from the time I was 13, back when that was how teenaged girls earned pocket money, so it didn’t seem unusual to us.)
Gin & Tonic
@Kay: You prompted me to look it up. The Paint Spot seems to still be in business and doing well. Court ordered Trump to pay the guy the disputed ~30k for the paint and ~275k for attorneys’ fees.
mrmoshpotato
@Anya:
If it’s Liberty “University”, I’m going to bet on wild orgies.
germy
@mrmoshpotato: is “Rev.” Falwell, jr. even an actual Reverend?
Ken
@germy: He;s a lawyer, his brother took over the ministry.
mrmoshpotato
@Betty Cracker:
Does that end with all this trash stabbing each other to death? (I’m so fucking done with this reality show shitshow of a bastard presidency, and I didn’t even watch last night’s ragegasm.)
mrmoshpotato
@Baud:
I hope everyone accidentally shaved off a nipple.
A Ghost to Most
If they won’t give you a seat at the table, “throw the chairs into the fireplace.”
So Michael Stipe informs me.
germy
@Ken:
So Trump made a mistake:
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Nicole:
My adventures in being a 15 year old trusted at home alone all involved teen movie levels of misconduct.
Ken
@germy: Well. it’s possible he’s got the title in some other way. He does (did) control a university, after all, and for that matter I’m not sure that there’s any law against calling yourself “Reverend”. But his degree is in law, and he practiced before becoming Liberty University president.
mrmoshpotato
@rikyrah: LOL
HawaiiDelilah sums it up perfectly. It’s just a shame that this is a major political party and not a Monty Python movie.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Robert Moses – the racist, poor bashing, preachy, vindictive NYC director of Parks between in mid 20c. The guy reads like a template Trump based his life of off.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moses
KayInMD (formerly Kay (not the front-pager))
@Kay: Lol, for a couple of years I was a classroom instructional aide, and supplemented my pay as a playground aide. The technique I used to settle disputes was to have each side describe what happened and then describe their behavior just before the dispute. Then each side had to reflect on what their own reaction would have been to that behavior. Would they have gotten mad? Could they have done something different? If the other person ‘started it,’ was there a way to diffuse the situation? There were often lots of other kids around trying to add their 2 cents about who was at fault, but I made the 2 principals concentrate on themselves and each other, and their roles in the dispute. Kids sometimes grumbled about “Ms.K’s peace plan…” “Wish Ms K would just punish me & get it over with…” Our school community was pretty rough. But the idea that we have a responsibility for each other really did begin to seep into our schoolyard. The kids did show more understanding that it was a community, and that each person’s behavior had an effect, positive or negative, on others.
It’s not precisely ‘what if everyone did that’, but it’s pretty close.
Gin & Tonic
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: Robert Moses was a very complicated public figure, with more than his share of faults, but he actually built things that have lasted.
I always recommend that people read Caro’s absolutely masterful biography to get the full measure of the man.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Yes, you are right. The way the whole thing is shot does look like a training film. It’s really missing the instructor’s voice over.
mrmoshpotato
@Jeffro:
It would make Upchuck Todd happy. He has no “Hillary’s emails!” to scream about 25/7 this cycle.
Philbert
@Dorothy A. Winsor: for jury duty, we were asked if we had stolen anything from work besides office supplies, or been the victim of a crime besides burglary.
WaterGirl
@Baud: Now showing
in theaters near youin real life.The Wire II: A Different Criminal Enterprise
Enhanced Voting Techniques
All the more reason for Moses to be Trump’s role model, don’t you think? Trump must of meet Moses threw his dad. Of course being Trump, Trump only latched on to Moses failings.
Another Scott
One for Amir, …
Yeah, Guo is that guy with the big yacht that Bannon was caught by the USPS on.
There is no bottom. The grift goes on forever…
(via nycsouthpaw)
Cheers,
Scott.
CarolPW
I watched the first part of the convention last night, and although they had the pledge I did not see the national anthem. Did they omit it?
Kay
@KayInMD (formerly Kay (not the front-pager)):
Your process is fair so they could live with it, even though it’s more work.
I love that about kids- they’re the Fair Police. I love that there’s an intuitive understanding of what’s equitable.
I love listening to the aggravating and mitigating factors- he’s bigger so shouldn’t hit littler BUT his father died, so we’re letting his infraction slide. It’s like the Geneva Conventions combined with the Ohio criminal code, and they’re just coming to this naturally.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
Have we gotten ratings numbers yet for the RNC? I’d love for there to be one more thing to send Trump into an apoplectic rage this morning.
Gin & Tonic
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: I’m not going to take that book off the shelf today.
jc
Sorry to be annoying, isn’t there a statue in Central Park of a woman with wings? Angel of the Waters.
Wapiti
@Booger: When I retired from the Army, one of the things I did in my last few months was to go through my house, top to bottom, and collected all of the black US Government Skilcraft pens that I had carried home over the years. There might have been a hundred. Dropped them off at work.
As long as the work stuff is used for work, no harm, no foul.
Another Scott
As Kay says, they’re bad hires. Lazy, and won’t even try to do their jobs…
(Chase is a GOP state senator who quit the GOP caucus because they weren’t crazy enough, or something. She’s running for governor in VA.)
Cheers,
Scott.
rp
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: Roy Cohn was his role model. I’ve never heard of any connection between Trump and Moses
Kay
The interesting thing about the McClosky’s is they are terrible neighbors and a shit ton of people who have encountered them loathe them, which might be why they imagine they’re constantly under threat:
The McCloskey’s are assholes which goes a long way to explaining how they view others:
They’re a good fit with the sleazy, nasty Trump Family. Two peas. Do you want these two as neighbors? I don’t.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Moses controlled development in NYC and Fred Trump was a developer. I don’t think it was anything like Moses personally mentored Trump so much as Moses was so influential in the world of NYC real estate that Trump grew up seeing Moses as a model for how the powerful act. Sort of like how all pilots try to imitate Chuck Yeager.
rp
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: True, I’m sure Fred and Robert Moses knew each other. I’ve just never heard Trump mention Moses.
I’ll second the recommendation for the Power Broker — great book.
Gin & Tonic
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: The thing about Moses, though, is he actually lived fairly modestly for a person with his power. He was more interested in his projects than personal aggrandizement. Yes, the projects were effectively if not explicitly racist, but the intent was to make as much as possible available to the (white) middle class – things like Jones Beach, for instance.
As I said, a very complex figure – which is why Caro could write over 1,000 pages.
laura
@Booger: it’s my last week at work and I’m hauling a stack of legal pads back into the office. I brought home the Ace Pilot stapler. Totally stealing it.
laura
@Gin & Tonic: 1000 times yes! Read Caro’s study on municipal power and then read the biography of Jane Jacob’s for a companion piece on people power.
Subsole
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
“You know nothing of the crunch.”
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Gin & Tonic: I want to read the book,
But while Moses is a complex figure, Trump is very simple and superficial man. The bit I ran across about Moses was the weird scams Moses had going with the NY World fair to build a public park. a lot of it was sleazy but Moses didn’t profit personally out of it. But I can just see a young beady eyed Donald Trump listing breathlessly to Moses’ money raising schemes and missing “and then something good comes out of it”.
J R in WV
@Baud:
Yeh, they’re called iPhones, and you can load software that will record a conversation, transcribe it into text, do all the things staff used to do when a team was required to record a phone call.
Same reason we now have video of cop killers — killing citizens without remorse. By the time the citizen is pronounced dead, multiple video streams of the murder are posted on multiple streaming sites online. There’s nothing the cop killer management can do about it, either.
Urza
westernslopenow.com/news/local-news/new-mail-sorting-machine-at-grand-junction-usps-thrown-out/
Brand new sorting machine, hadn’t even been tested. Happened Friday after he said he’d stop messing with the mail.
MisterForkbeard
@Patricia Kayden:
I would wager that 8 in 10 democrats ALSO see Trump as an example of GOP values (corruption, grift, racism, sexism, and disdain of knowledge and law)
Another Scott
Meanwhile, …
Hmm….
Cheers,
Scott.
germy
Some of Coleman’s texts:
J R in WV
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
satsq — yes he did!
J R in WV
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
Seriously? I guess some people prefer the rule that is the opposite of Occam’s Razor, the simplest explanation that fits the situation is probably true. They think the most complicated, strangest explanation is the most likely one — “I’ve been moved to a new and slightly different universe, which is why we now drive on the right here, while I clearly remember driving on the left all my life, until this morning.”
James E Powell
@germy:
Probably my favorite South Park episode.
Steeplejack
@CarolPW:
I don’t think they did it. But they didn’t do it at the Democratic convention either, did they? (Re “omitted.”)