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  1. 1.

    TaMara (HFG)

    I swear, he calms me every afternoon with these. It’s like having an older, experienced friend sit down and reassure you that everything will be okay. As long as you vote.

  3. 3.

    Elizabelle

    This is balm for the soul.  Thanks, TaMara.

    Is MSNBC covering, or are they still all Nancy Pelosi’s shampoo?  (Missed all that today, but I heard you.)

  5. 5.

    MisterForkbeard

    I didn’t get a chance to watch it much, but I did watch the facebook comments thread for a good 10 minutes just for ‘fun’.

    Comments were running 90+% in favor of Biden. It was good to hear.

  6. 6.

    WaterGirl

    @Elizabelle: is there a quick summary of the shampoo situation? My laptop has been in the shop and it’s kind of murky when you come in late.  I missed the whole thing.

    still on the iPad which is def.unitedly not my preferred technology.

  7. 7.

    Elizabelle

    “The federal Department of Justice, which is not much of a Department of Justice right now.”

    Yea, Joe.

  10. 10.

    Ken

    @WaterGirl: I’m not sure what really happened, but from what I’ve heard the Republican/Fox/QAnon take is that Pelosi was bathing in the blood of slaughtered virgins while spraying covid virus into the air-conditioning system of a nursing home.

    EDIT: Thanks to kindness for explaining what really happened.

  14. 14.

    clay

    @WaterGirl: From what I understand, Pelosi made an appointment with her hair dresser. Hair dresser was like, better make sure with my boss — called her and she said yes.  Boss, apparently a wingnut, filmed the appointment then screamed NANCY PELOSI IS BREAKING THE DISTANCING RULES FOR A HAIRCUT.  Fox News picks it up, so now it’s A Thing.

    BUT! Hair dresser has receipts, and can show that the boss okayed the appointment, and that the whole thing was a set up. So here we are.

  15. 15.

    MisterForkbeard

    @WaterGirl: Shampoo situation, so far as I’m aware:

    1) Salon owner goes on Fox News with a video of Pelosi getting her hair done inside without a facemask in her salon. Frames this as a “I’m just a normal shopowner, but Nancy Pelosi is keeping us closed and she took advantage of her power to hypocritically get her own hair done.” It goes nuts.

    2) Nancy Pelosi says basically the whole thing is a setup and she followed all laws.

    3) NP gets lambasted by the press for calling it a setup when she should just have copped to it.

    4) The stylist who actually did the work confirms that it was a setup: He followed all rules, called Nancy for the checkup, confirmed with the shop owner that it wouldn’t be a problem, etc. He also notes that the shop owner is a rabid anti-democrat and hates Pelosi but did give her full permissions for it provided they followed the rules (which they did). The shop owner approved everything and all rules were followed, and she’s doing this in order to attack Pelosi.

    5) He also has taped evidence of the Salon Owner being open when they’re not supposed to be, personally violating the rules regarding opening and sanitation, as well as coercing her salon stylists into continue working there illegally during the shutdown

    6) The Salon Owner is now fund-raising off of the whole thing, but for what I can’t actually tell. She’s just grifting.

    7) The media and especially republicans have ignored everything after #2.

    It’s a giant nothingburger. Hopefully it goes away soon, but Republicans are flogging it because they can and the media hasn’t engaged in more than a superficial “Pelosi’s a hypocrite” message.

  16. 16.

    Mary G

    Salons in California aren’t allowed to do business indoors, but Nancy SMASH went and had her cut and color done in her hairdresser’s closed building, alone, in defiance of the Covid restrictions. It was a stupid move. Rich people are having their grooming people come to their house, and she has enough money to do that and should have. Unforced errors are not useful.

    ETA: The fact that is was a setup doesn’t change the optics. She fell for it. YMMV.

  18. 18.

    Mallard Filmore

    @WaterGirl:

     

    is there a quick summary of the shampoo situation?

    Nancy called her stylist to see if the shop was open.
    The stylist called the shop owner to see if opening was allowed.
    The shop owner, who hates Nancy, said its ok to open the shop. The motive of the shop owner, and what she knew about the legalities of opening the shop, are fuzzy to me.

    So Nancy went to get her hair done

    add: MisterForkbeard says it much better than I did

  19. 19.

    Elizabelle

    Amazing point.  Jacob Blake was shot just this past Sunday?

    Everything is on warp speed in trumpWorld.

  21. 21.

    Immanentize

    @Ken:

    bathing in the blood of slaughtered virgins

    You entirely missed why this was a scandal -+ they were White Christian Virgins! — very rare and on the endangered species list.

    I suppose that was in bad taste.

  23. 23.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Mary G: Actually, Hair Salons could operate indoors as of August 31st with some exceptions. Since NP literally called the salon to ask if they were open, it sounds like she thought they’d be open and wasn’t doing anything in defiance of law.

    ETA: Here, proof – at a state level, indoor salons were allowed to be open as of August 31st: https://abc7.com/california-purple-tier-counties-businesses-reopening-what-does-mean/6393859/

    SF may have a different policy. The salon is actually the enforcing agency here – if they weren’t supposed to be open, they should TELL HER that they’re not open. They didn’t. That’s it.

  24. 24.

    Elizabelle

    @Mallard Filmore:   I think the shopowner is forgoing a LOT of business.

    I sure would not give her any further business, for trying to shiv Nancy Smash.  I look forward to the eventual yelp reviews.

    Of course, it is way hard to find an excellent colorist (no idea what services NP had).  But … sacrifice.

  25. 25.

    Kay

    Lisa Desjardins
    @LisaDNews
    ·10m
    BIDEN SAYS he has paid for everything he’s proposing without raising the taxes of the people in the Kenosha audience.
    But we do not yet have the details of exactly which of his funding ideas would go to which of his spending plans and how.

    Democrat is back! Sharpen your pencils!
    The insane drunken spending binge that went completely unremarked upon is drawing to a close. Again.

  28. 28.

    Baud

    @Kay:

    But we do not yet have the details of exactly which of his funding ideas would go to which of his spending plans and how

    You also don’t have Trump’s taxes.  Get those first then maybe we’ll talk.

  29. 29.

    Ken

    @Elizabelle: Plus, who’s going to go to a salon knowing they secretly video their customers?

    That’s prompting memories – wasn’t there a prominent businessman-turned-politician busted for secretly videoing people?  I’m wanting to say, in his company’s bathrooms?

  30. 30.

    VOR

    @MisterForkbeard: Just the other day Trump literally told everyone in an indoors meeting to take off their masks. NP was near, what, one other person? Heck, the WH press secretary is showing NP on a loop while speaking at the podium without wearing a mask.

  33. 33.

    Elizabelle

    From the LA Times.  I think the deplorable Erica Kious just shot herself in the foot.  And will have a harder time retaining talented stylists.  You could not pay me to go this creepy a-hole’s salon.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Wednesday she was set up by a San Francisco salon where she was videotaped not wearing a face mask after getting her hair washed, in violation of the city’s coronavirus restrictions.

    “This salon owes me an apology,” Pelosi said in response to questions from reporters at the end of a news conference on the Democrats’ proposed coronavirus relief act that is stalled in the Senate.

    “It was clearly a setup,” she said. “I take responsibility for falling for a setup by a neighborhood salon I’ve gone to for many years.”

    The eSalon’s owner, Erica Kious, denied Pelosi’s claim. She said that her salon had been closed for months because of the pandemic and that she found Pelosi’s remarks “hurtful.”

    “I just thought about, you know, my staff and people not being able to work and make money and provide for their families. And if she’s in there comfortably, without a mask and feeling safe, then why are we shut down?” Kious told Fox News’ Tucker Carlson on Wednesday evening.

    Less than two hours later, Jonathan DeNardo, the stylist who blew out Pelosi’s hair, released a statement through an attorney contradicting Kious.

    The statement says the law firm is in possession of photographs and videotape that show that Kious has been operating her salon in violation of state and local restrictions since April. The statement also says that Kious authorized Pelosi coming to the salon for her blow-out, and that she was critical of the House speaker because she erroneously believed Pelosi was behind the restrictions that shut down her salon. (The rules were put in place by Gov. Gavin Newsom and San Francisco Mayor London Breed.)

    “Ms. Kious has also been actively encouraging and almost forcing stylists who operate at eSalon to violate such orders for her own financial benefit in the form of receiving lease payments,” the statement says. “The fact that Ms. Kious is now objecting to Speaker Pelosi’s presence at eSalon, and from a simple surface-level review of Ms. Kious’ political leanings, it appears Ms. Kious is furthering a set-up of Speaker Pelosi for her own vain aspirations.”

    The brouhaha began on Monday, when security camera footage at the eSalon showed Pelosi inside, passing by with wet hair and a mask wrapped around her neck and being trailed by a hair stylist who was wearing a mask. Kious gave the footage to Fox News, which first reported the story Tuesday.

  34. 34.

    opiejeanne

    @WaterGirl: Nancy Pelosi had her hair washed and blown out inside a salon she has used for years. She was told by the owner that they could do it indoors, which is against the rules. The owner is a Republican donor and it was a set-up; later the same day she went on Fox News with the security footage of Nancy walking from the sink area to the chair, with her mask down.

    The rule is that hair can be dealt with in a patio area outdoors, but the owner told her they could do it indoors if it is one person at a time.

    The stylists backed up Nancy Pelosi’s version of the event and told on the owner. The owner now has a GoFundMe page, asking for $300,000 and has been on Fox at least one more time so the hosts can call Nancy a hypocrite for not wearing a mask.

    Meanwhile, Pelosi has apologized for allowing herself to be set up like this, said she doesn’t wear a mask when she washes her hair but that she should have seen that it was a trap. She says the salon owes her an apology.

  39. 39.

    Elizabelle

    It’s not that hard to wear a mask during a shampoo.  Have had one — one — hair appointment since the COVID shutdowns, and would not have dreamed of not wearing the mask.  They don’t melt!

  40. 40.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @MisterForkbeard:

    Mary G’s point (bad optics) still stands. To the average person, it still sounds like she was doing something she shouldn’t have. She just should’ve gotten somebody to come to her private residence and not risked it. It’s definitely an unforced error

  43. 43.

    Jeffro

    @Ken:from what I’ve heard the Republican/Fox/QAnon take is that Pelosi was bathing in the blood of slaughtered virgins while spraying covid virus into the air-conditioning system of a nursing home.

    I just KNEW it!

    We are going to really have to have this “double standards” conversation with our national snooze media every damn day, aren’t we?

  46. 46.

    Elizabelle

    @Kay:   I wonder if deplorable Kious is already in financial trouble, due to COVID — or for other reasons, and wants to blame her salon’s eventual (or imminent!) demise on Nancy Pelosi.

    Sounds like the hair stylist is ready to leg it out of there.

  47. 47.

    Jeffro

    @Immanentize: they were White Christian Virgins! — very rare and on the endangered species list.  I suppose that was in bad taste.

    Not at all.  And now “Catholic School Girls Rule” is playing in the back of my head, and that song rocks.  =)

  48. 48.

    Immanentize

    @Baud:

    To me, this is just another media whine of “give us a ton of information so we can criticize you without doing any actual work at all.”

    Why won’t Joe do my work for me?

  55. 55.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Baud:

    The right wing is a cult, what’s your point? They only criticize their own when they’re not far-right enough.

    I personally think this is a nothingburger that will go away in a day or so. I’m certainly not going to rake Pelosi over the coals for it. I’m just remarking that it was an unforced error. Pelosi is not above criticism. She even admits she should’ve seen it was a trap. And really, if you’re explaining you’re losing

  57. 57.

    Immanentize

    I love Alexandra Petri:

    big news!!!! just got a lovely email from a guy I think was trying to liken me to 18th century philosopher Immanuel Kant but he must be really bad at spelling and capitalizing— Alexandra Petri (@petridishes) September 3, 2020

  60. 60.

    Mike in NC

    Bill Clinton once got a haircut and the media whined about it for at least a whole week. Those were simpler times, but just as stupid. Fat Bastard was in Wilmington, NC yesterday (heat index of 108) and a small crowd of worshippers came out. No masks, no distancing, per the local TV news.

  61. 61.

    Ruckus

    @Elizabelle:

    Normal human events are on slow time.

    shitforbrains totally ignorant stuff is on fast forward. So fast it’s a blur. It’s dipshit destructo speed.

  64. 64.

    LuciaMia

    El Drumpo of course had to do his own tweet. Along the lines of “Do we really want a Speaker that is so easily duped?”

     

    Answer: Do we really want a President who’s happy to have someone in Congress who believes in Lizard People who drink the blood of young children?”

  66. 66.

    hitchhiker

    What’s telling is the all out balls to the walls Republican effort to make Nancy Pelosi important, in the context of hey have you noticed that our kids are still at home and nobody knows when school will start again and nobody’s doing anything about it?

    Seriously, the disruption to our lives last spring was supposed to be over, and would have been far, far more manageable by now if we had a competent federal government. It’s sinking in right now that nobody who’s supposed to be in charge knows what to do, and every day that passes is another day that trump is failing.

    Pelosi got a haircut? Pfffffttttttttt.

  67. 67.

    WaterGirl

    I tried the NotMax rye corn bread recipe this afternoon.  Just came out of the oven.  I cheated and used 2 T of honey instead of 3, and used half the salt.

    i replaced the 1 T of honey with water – would there have been a better choice?

  68. 68.

    Gravenstone

    @Patricia Kayden: Damn, it’s that Sebastian Bach. Former vocalist for Skid Row back when hair metal was a thing. Always figured him for the wingnut side of the street, given some of his past behavior.

  69. 69.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    I just listened to most of that and I think the reason I find it reassuring is that he’s so clearly able to talk about a wide variety of different things. He’s knowledgeable and has thought about all this. The contrast to Trump is almost shocking. Trump doesn’t know how anything works. He lives in his own little world.

  70. 70.

    Elizabelle

    @Gravenstone:   Love it!  Was wondering if it was hair metal Sebastian Bach.

    LOL.  Commenting on a hair-related fake news controversy.  But good to have him weigh in.

  71. 71.

    LuciaMia

    She just should’ve gotten somebody to come to her private residence and not risked it. It’s definitely an unforced error

    Shes been going to this salon for years…once she found out it was possible to go there, she wanted to give them the business.

  72. 72.

    Baud

    Today is a good reminder of how easily will slip back into reporting on frivolous things about Democrats in order to achieve “balance.”

  73. 73.

    debbie

    @clay:

    I saw a clip where she said it was a set-up. I’ve been waiting for the name of James O’Keeffe to show its ugly face.

  75. 75.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Elizabelle:

    Amazing point. Jacob Blake was shot just this past Sunday?

    What? No, that can’t be. It was at least a week and a half ago.

    (Checked Google) He was shot August 23. Please don’t mess with my head like that, E’belle!

  76. 76.

    Mary G

    @WaterGirl: This. The shop owner has destroyed her business, but it’s an emotional issue. Going to the salon is comforting and soothing, and the fact that she went when so many people have been deprived of it so long is going to leave a mark. I was pissed myself. I would love to have my hair and nails done and am looking forward to when we hit tier 2 as it’s understood here in the OC in five days or so. I’ll have been in my house for six months straight by then, except for taking the cat to the vet one time. Cabin fever and resentment of Twitler could not be higher.

  77. 77.

    germy

    Re: “SalonGate”

    Getting pretty tired of the expectation that Democrats will all weigh in with a dutiful concession that something looks bad while Republicans can get away with no regrets on actions that actually are bad.

    — Schooley (@Rschooley) September 3, 2020

  78. 78.

    debbie

    @Elizabelle:

    The law firm is in possession of photographs and videotape that show that Kious has been operating her salon in violation of state and local restrictions since April.

    Can you hear me smiling over here

     

    ETA Found her fundraiser. Looks like a sad, old shoe left out in the rain.

  80. 80.

    James E Powell

    Republicans kick the ball; the press/media chase the ball. Been this way for over thirty years.

  81. 81.

    rp

    This seems like an unforced error on the part of the salon owner and the Trump admin. (KM played the clip at today’s press conference). No non-wingnuts care or will remember this a week from now (remember her fridge full of ice cream?), and it makes them look like the petty, out of touch aholes they are.

  83. 83.

    Mary G

    One more thing, then I’ll shut up about haircutgate. McNinny is showing the footage on a loop at the WH press conference, so I think Nancy’s robust defense and the fact that the Fox News universe will talk about it nonstop is going to help NP. People want a calm serious politician who will work on real problems and Joe is doing a great job of showing that, and this overreaction will have a backlash.

  84. 84.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @LuciaMia:

    Shes been going to this salon for years…once she found out it was possible to go there, she wanted to give them the business.

    I guess I missed that part of the story…

    I guess the owner didn’t give a shit about Pelosi’s business until now

  86. 86.

    Baud

    If a salon owner duped regular customers into believing that it was safe and legal to get their hair done, no one would have any problem identifying who the bad guy was.  It’s only because our society has internalized the idea that it has the privilege to treat Democrats differently than other people that Pelosi is under the gun.  It’s a double standard through and through.

  87. 87.

    germy

    Joe Biden in Kenosha: “I had an opportunity to spend some time with Jacob [Blake] on the phone. He’s out of ICU. We spoke for about 15 minutes. His brother and two sisters, his dad and his mom on the telephone … He talked about how nothing was gonna defeat him.”

  88. 88.

    Elizabelle

    @SiubhanDuinne:   Sounds more like it.

    One of the Kenosha speakers said it was this past Sunday.  I thought it was longer, but who can keep up in trumpTime??

    Glad to hear Mr. Blake is beginning to recover.  Great that his children can realize that their dad is helping to change the world, although he did not have to die, like Gianna Floyd’s dad.

  91. 91.

    gkoutnik

    Biden campaign just sent me an e-mail asking for a donation – two to community human services non-profits in Wisconsin.  Way to follow up, Joe!

  93. 93.

    debbie

    @germy:

    I beat the crap out of my niece on FB this morning after seeing she was spreading a meme from “a girl’s father” condemning Blake for raping his daughter and getting away with it.

  94. 94.

    zhena gogolia

    Somehow I’ve gotten on Trump’s mailing list. I scribbled through his picture and wrote on it, don’t send me anything more, then I put it in the envelope and saw, “Place stamp here.”

    Two-bit grifters!!!!!

  96. 96.

    Ken

    @debbie: Who was it who compared the whole Trump administration to a bunch of cockroaches forming a pyramid to flip on the kitchen light switch?  Add her to the pile, as yet another miscreant who probably would have got away with it if she’d kept her head down and her business out of the spotlight.

  99. 99.

    Elizabelle

    re the salon’s yelp page:  you can see the 5-star reviews from wingnuts — who knew that men wearing cowboy hats in pickup trucks in Oregon have their hair styled in SFO?  Also women from Arlington TX? They’re all shrieking that she is a hero.  Yeah, those are real reviews.

    Yelp is “monitoring the page” since the business has been in the news. LOL.

  101. 101.

    Kay

    @Patricia Kayden:

    We just have to tell people they’re going to have to disregard Trump’s thugs and go vote. Polling places are local- the people who staff them do it because they want to be active in their local community. They’re going to be on the side of the voters.

  102. 102.

    Emma from FL

    For God’s sake. Can we ever, ever, ever learn our lesson? No wonder Republicans kick our asses. Say what you will about the evil of it all, they stick by their own. We can’t wait to join in the destruction of ours.

  103. 103.

    Mary G

    I should save it  for a respite thread, but this thread can’t wait. It’s hilarious. I haven’t even finished reading it.

    OMG my brother in law, the gift that never stops giving, was tired of being sent to get rice every day so he decided buy in bulk, talked to the shop about it, wires got crossed, now there is a literal TRUCK FILLED WITH RICE outside the house and my sister is losing her shit lmfao— Shiv Ramdas (@nameshiv) September 3, 2020

  106. 106.

    Eunicecycle

    @zhena gogolia: Me too! On the list I mean. I have no idea how as I have never given to a Republican politician in my life. I also refuse to put a stamp on to reply and it’s probably just as well; it would not be kind.

  108. 108.

    germy

    @Elizabelle:

    Here’s a review from someone named “Peter B”:

    Pay no mind to these leftist shitbags. They’re nothing but low energy, bottom feeders diseased with the syndrome of liberalism.

    Here’s the thing, though.  “Peter B.” has shoulder length hair.

    If it weren’t for liberalism, he couldn’t appear in public looking like that.  Back in the conservative 1950s, he would have been beaten to a pulp.

  110. 110.

    brantl

    @Baud: Yeah, she is the victim, she also got conned, because she did something stupid, she should have checked out what the rules were, before she went. Goku isn’t wrong. “My side, right or wrong, is what THEY do, we’re smarter than that.

    And before somebody calls me a “Nancy-hater” or a RWNJ-apologist, I think this is a nothing-burger as well, as was the thing about Clinton’s email, but both are errors, for Christ’s sake,  and we need to make them really have to reach for it. Really, really reach for it.

  111. 111.

    Kay

    Sherrod Brown gave an interview to our little tiny city paper about Trump ruining the postal service.

    Smart! I don’t know why more of them don’t do it.

  112. 112.

    Baud

    @brantl: Why should she have separately checked the rule? She’s entitled to rely on the shop owner to know what the rules are.  I’m not placing excessive burdens on our people to independently verify information they get from others who they are entitled to rely on.

  115. 115.

    Baud

    @Kay: How do you know that they don’t?  I wouldn’t have learned about a Brown interview in a small local paper if you hadn’t mentioned anything.

  116. 116.

    greenergood

    @Mary G: Tangerine Man is responsible for 188,000+ deaths, and the MSM is glomming on Nancy Pelosi’s hairdresser??!!?? And we are payng attention??

  117. 117.

    germy

    @greenergood:

    trump didn’t criticize the poisoning of Putin’s critic, didn’t criticize Putin’s bounties on American soldiers.  Told an audience to try voting twice.  But I expect to see wall to wall coverage again tonight of “salongate”

  118. 118.

    Ken

    @Patricia Kayden: “Return to sender” or “Refused” is only allowed on the unopened original envelope, not the enclosed return envelope.  Also it doesn’t work for bulk or marketing mail.

  120. 120.

    Mike in NC

    @zhena gogolia:  I’ve gotten several ‘surveys’ from Republicans looking for money this year. They never pay for the postage, so I just throw them in the trash.

  121. 121.

    Elizabelle

    @germy:   Good point.

    This one, a one-star yelp review, looks legit to me.  Blonde woman in SFO.

    I used to be a client a eSalon and will definitely not be returning after reading about the hit job she did on Fox News.

    For anyone questioning whether it was politically motivated by Erica,  this excerpt from her interview is particularly telling …

    Kious said that the area where her salon is located has turned into “a third world country,”

    In the Marina? Hilarious.

    And yes, that is an actual quote the client used.  From story from (where else)  the Fox News website.   More idiocy from this Kious liar, in a phone interview with Fox News:

    “No one can last anymore,” [the deplorable Kious] said. “I have also lost 60 percent of my clientele because everyone is fleeing the city.”

    Kious said that the area where her salon is located has turned into “a third world country,” saying that “every other storefront is completely vacant and shut down and boarded up.”

    “And because of the shutdown, and the store closures, we’ve lost people, my clients, and my employees, and that is due to the politics in San Francisco,” she said, adding that the homeless population is “everywhere” and “defecating” all over the city.

    “It has gotten so extreme,” she said. “It is so night and day from what it was a year ago, that everyone is fleeing.”

  124. 124.

    trollhattan

    @Emma from FL:

    Yup, exactly.

    Our local “blue city” rag jumped onto NancySalonBoogaloo with both feet this morning and I do not expect them to mend the errors of their hasty ways tomorrow. It will hang there like bad gas in an elevator.

  125. 125.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Baud:

    Now that I’ve read that the owner was operating in violation of local/state rules during April, I think this “salongate” thing is stupid bullshit. She looks like a massive hypocrite. At least Pelosi was the only customer there and I presume the hair stylist was wearing a mask

  128. 128.

    Martin

    I hope the salon owner got enough out of this, because she’s going to have to deal with the AG soon.

  130. 130.

    germy

    Master of projection. While there may not always be a tweet, there usually is a Fox interview.

    Trump in May: "The level of dishonesty with Democrat voting is unbelievable. If you told a Republican to vote twice, they'd get sick at even the thought of it." pic.twitter.com/Uz9pnHxTvK

    — Parker Molloy (@ParkerMolloy) September 3, 2020

  131. 131.

    Leto

    @Baud: Does anyone check if their chef is following all the food safety rules? I might look to see what their health inspection rating is, but that’s it. That’s how most people are, and it’s a fair thing to expect that local businesses are following local ordinances.

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    Elizabelle

    @trollhattan:   I don’t think it’s going to have staying power.  Especially since it looks like an ambush by the salon owner, a wingnut who hates the city she does business in.

    There have been other slams at Nancy Smash, and I can’t recall them (nor do I want to take that stroll down wingnut memory lane).

  136. 136.

    Laura

    I wanted to read comments about Biden’s appearance but instead this is a thread mostly about people saying what a nothing burger the nonissue of hair is.

  137. 137.

    Elizabelle

    @Laura:   Yeah, sorry about that.  I think I started the hair business.

    WRT Biden’s remarks:  he was very restrained in manner, and his affect was almost funereal.  Maybe since it was a church setting, and the subject of the recent attack on Jacob Blake and all the other deaths and abuse.  He spoke about making all manner of services available to those who have finished their jail/prison sentences, so they get a second chance.

    A young woman in an orange turban made a long statement about what her community in Kenosha lives with, day in and day out.  Among other issues, the community is concerned about being priced out by gentrification.

    Do watch the tape.  The program is about one hour 15 minutes.  I just caught the very end.

  138. 138.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Eunicecycle: I would say, comfort yourself that there will never be a Donald Trump postage stamp – everyone but the mouthbreathers would spit on the wrong side** –

    Except of course that all our stamps are now sold pregummed, damnitall…

    Maybe they could sell them as $.01-cent postage in books of 45 & call them NOT EVER Stamps … or maybe WHAT THE HELL WERE WE THINKING Stamps. Might be worth a penny a pop to add  one to the full postage due with a “cancel circle” Sharpied over Agolf Twitler’s mugly ug…

    **Soviet joke ca. 1980: People complained that the new Brezhnev stamps weren’t sticking to envelopes; the post office investigated & reported that the masses were spitting on the side without the glue…

  139. 139.

    sdhays

    @Elizabelle: “defecating” all over the city.

    To be fair, according to my friends who moved out to SF a few years ago, this is sadly true (but it was true when they visited a couple years ago).

    I can believe that she’s lost 60% of her business due to the politics of SF, but not in the way she means.

  141. 141.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Baud:

    I’m just trying to imagine the reaction (from GOP and Villagers alike) if NP actually had scheduled a stylist to come to her house and give her a shampoo/cut/blow dry privately.  Snob! Elitist! Privileged one-percenter! Turning her home into her own private salon like a common Melania! Seriously, I don’t see what she did as an unforced error at all. Sometimes you just can’t win for losing.

    The salon owner, OTOH, is every kind of scum and I hope her business loses all its customers and she has to flip burgers at McDonald’s to make ends meet. What a sleaze. 

  142. 142.

    Omnes Omnibus

    No real need for the GOP to tear our people down.  Just give our side a whiff of imperfection and it’s off to the races.  It’s fucking embarrassing.

  143. 143.

    J R in WV

    @Mary G:

    I’ll have been in my house for six months straight by then, except for taking the cat to the vet one time.

    Did you get to go in with the kitty?

    I took our young farm dog boy puppy to the ER to get a wound stapled, took hours, I never went inside. It was his second trip to a vet. He’s a sweety, but was really scared, all those cars shooting by on the highway, strangers.

  145. 145.

    Sab

    @WaterGirl: Morning thread “Good Joe” had a comment #173 by Another Scott that linked to a tweet by a Pelosi daughter. It had a letter from the poor stylist’s lawyer with a good summary of what happened.

    Looks to me like they were following exactly the same health guidelines as DeWine’s people in Ohio came up with when Dr. Amy Acton was still on board.

  149. 149.

    VeniceRiley

    @Elizabelle:
    Can you imagine trying to get your clients in for a bikini wax after this? The threat of exposure or blackmail by Erica Kious, who is cleary a lying grifter, will end that salon. Anything she makes from now on will be from GoFundMe or cutting Trumper’s MULLETS.

  152. 152.

    sgrAstar

    @WaterGirl: how is it a setup? Duh! The wingnut salon owner knew NP was coming- cuz she gave Pelosi permission- and secretly videoed the event. Fox had that video w/in hours of Pelosi’s appointment. Tempest in a teapot.

    ?

  154. 154.

    mvr

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    Actually, version I read was that she could not get her regular person to come to her home, though she has frequented this place in her neighborhood at times over the years so called for an appt.  . . . I should probably get a source for this but I think it was part of her own narrative in one of the news bits I read.

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    MaryLou

    @Mary G: Although to be fair, it’s highly likely the stylist offered to open up the salon premises where there is a sink and product much more easily available, and felt, since the salon was in fact closed to the public, this was simply a permissible use of private space made available by the owner for purposes of a shampoo and blow out. He apparently assured Nancy that such was the case. No members of the public  were present, and Nancy wore her mask for all steps except the shampoo and rinse (as common sense and physics demands if one expects to keep mask and ties dry). Nancy’s mistake was in trusting her stylist to keep her private hair appointments private (which he did), but failing to account for a wingnut salon owner who would exploit the trust of both stylist and customer. Plus, Nancy is not responsible for any of the policies the salon owner is so exercised about, and her only sin has been to follow the guidelines issued by our President’s very own administration.

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