Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

You come for women, you’re gonna get your ass kicked.

Republican obstruction dressed up as bipartisanship. Again.

We are builders in a constant struggle with destroyers. let’s win this.

The cruelty is the point; the law be damned.

In short, I come down firmly on all sides of the issue.

Putting aside our relentless self-interest because the moral imperative is crystal clear.

Ron DeSantis, the grand wizard, oops, governor of FL

Usually wrong but never in doubt

This country desperately needs a functioning Fourth Estate.

Nothing worth doing is easy.

Second rate reporter says what?

Somebody needs to explain to DeSantis that nobody needs to do anything to make him look bad.

Proof that we need a blogger ethics panel.

Sadly, there is no cure for stupid.

New McCarthy, same old McCarthyism.

You don’t get rid of your umbrella while it’s still raining.

Consistently wrong since 2002

One of our two political parties is a cult whose leader admires Vladimir Putin.

Innocent people don’t delay justice.

We’re not going back!

“Can i answer the question? No you can not!”

It’s easy to sit in safety and prescribe what other people should be doing.

When I decide to be condescending, you won’t have to dream up a fantasy about it.

You cannot shame the shameless.

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Friday Morning Open Thread: Never Forget (As If We Could)

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Perhaps we should take a lead from Guy Fawkes, and call this Doomscrolling Day…

Per the Washington Post:

… On Friday, Biden and Trump will appear on a field that memorializes the bravery and toughness of ordinary Americans, epitomized by the cry of “Let’s roll” as passengers attempted to retake the cockpit. Trump is scheduled to attend a 9:45 a.m. ceremony, which is closed to the public but will be streamed online. Biden’s campaign announced Thursday evening that he would be in New York on Friday morning for a ceremony at the 9/11 Memorial & Museum, before traveling to Shanksville in the afternoon…

On Sept. 11, 2001, Biden’s daughter, then a college student, called him, begging him to leave Washington. The senator instead marched to the Capitol, reaching the steps before a police officer stopped him and told him a fourth plane — the one that would eventually crash in Shanksville — was heading toward Washington and, some thought, the Capitol.

Biden pushed back against pleas that members of Congress relocate to a bunker in West Virginia. He spoke by phone with President George W. Bush that evening, urging him to come back to Washington…

On the day of the attack, Trump was watching CNBC as it prepared to interview former General Electric CEO Jack Welch, when the network cut away to a scene of the first tower on fire. One of his first reactions when the planes hit was to call a television show to offer commentary.

He later visited Ground Zero, and he cited the attacks to challenge immigration policies, religious tolerance and the need for the very global alliances that Biden has spent years embracing…

… and he’s been waving the sooty shirt ever since. Also, of course, grifting:

Speaking of disasters, thoughts & prayers for those already suffering from climate change…

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  6. 6.

    debbie

    Because of course Trump is stealing money from heroes. Sadly, this is only the second worst 911-type thing he’s done. Most unforgivable was his statement on 9/11/01, just after the towers fell, that his building was now the tallest in Manhattan.

  11. 11.

    Baud

    I just read that KC fans booed the BLM unity show between the Chiefs and the Texans last night, which involved no kneeling.

  14. 14.

    The Oracle of Solace

    Morning, all.

    Well, I saw the Dune trailer (on mute), and I’m kind of disappointed. It was just shots of the Harkonnen homeworld, Geidi Prime—vast cityscapes under a hellish orange sky—with nothing about the rest of the movie at all.

    ——

    No, sorry, was watching San Francisco news with no sound. Gotta go check on my Bay Area cousins now.

  18. 18.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    Today will mark the usual stentorian intonations of commemorations by conservatives regarding 9/11. They’ll talk about the depth of feeling they have, and how fresh and raw it still seems.

    The event took place 19 years ago.

    Now, juxtapose that with Reagan opening his 1980 campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi and bleating about “states’ rights”, barely 16 years after 3 courageous young people from more enlightened places were murdered by a police department in a conspiracy with the Klan for the crime of registering African Americans to vote.

    Undoubtedly, some of the perpetrators of that heinous crime were in the crowd, nodding approvingly and saying “yes, I can support this, this is the candidate for me”.

    That should have been the end of his bid, but sadly, it wasn’t.

  28. 28.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @germy:

    As a volunteer textbanker, I will naturally be on our side. It wasn’t Maggie O’Keefe who committed the “baby’s” atrocity.

  29. 29.

    NotMax

    Uncommon census: a touch of historical trivia. What does a 19th century intellectual who finds time hanging heavy on his hands do to fill it?

    Dick believed in the plurality of worlds or cosmic pluralism, that every planet in the Solar System was inhabited. In his book Celestial scenery, or, The Wonders of the planetary system displayed, among many other topics he computed that the Solar System contained 21,894,974,404,480 (21+ trillion) inhabitants. This was done using the surface area of each planet and the population density of England.… Source

    The data, tabulated.

    :)

  30. 30.

    SFAW

    @Baud:

    Fun fact: Fire kills the virus.

    “I’ve heard that if you somehow inject it inside the body, it works like a vaccine … [turns to Birx] Someone’s checking into that, right? Maybe if they combine it with bleach [Ed. note: Or, for Ozark: “combine it with blech”], that could work? Can you get back to me or Jared on that?”

  32. 32.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Baud: More than a little truth to that, I suspect.

    ETA and considering how much worse Covid is for black folks, I also suspect there weren’t many in attendance.

  33. 33.

    oldgold

    “The 1969 song “Fortunate Son,” by Creedence Clearwater Revival, blared as Air Force One arrived to crowds of Trump supporters at MBS International Airport in Freeland, Michigan, on Thursday.“

    What’s next, You’re So Vain or Sympathy for the Devil?

  34. 34.

    SFAW

    @Baud:

    The excuse/justification I heard was that the people who would attend an NFL game during COVID are that type of people who would boo equality.

    I thought I read — but may have misread or misinterpreted — that the Texans returned to their locker room for both the “Star-Spangled Banner” and “Lift Every Voice.” If that’s what happened, I’m not sure what their point was.

  36. 36.

    germy

    @NotMax:

    Many medieval Muslim scholars endorsed the idea of cosmic pluralism. Imam Muhammad al-Baqir (676–733) wrote “Maybe you see that God created only this single world and that God did not create humans besides you. Well, I swear by God that God created thousands and thousands of worlds and thousands and thousands of humankind.”

    Fakhr ad-Din ar-Razi (1149–1209), in dealing with his conception of physics and the physical world in his Matalib, rejects the Aristotelian and Avicennian notion of the Earth’s centrality within the universe. Instead he argues that there are “a thousand thousand worlds (alfa alfi ‘awalim) beyond this world such that each one of those worlds be bigger and more massive than this world as well as having the like of what this world has.” To support his theological argument, he cites the Qur’anic verse, “All praise belongs to God, Lord of the Worlds,” in surah fatiha emphasizing the term “Worlds.”

    Two Qur’anic verses support the idea of God being Lord of multiple worlds: 1:2 and 41:09. Qur’an 16:8 says “He has created other things of which ye have no knowledge.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_pluralism

  37. 37.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @SFAW:
    from the Guardian:

    Earlier the Texans had stayed in the locker room for performances of Lift Every Voice And Sing, widely considered the black national anthem, and the Star-Spangled Banner. Texans executive vice president of football operations Jack Easterby told NBC the players did not want “any misinterpretation of celebrating one song and throwing shade on the other”.

    ETA Pretty weaselly to my ears.

  39. 39.

    Kay

    The Detroit Free Press coverage of Donald Trump’s rally yesterday is a beautiful thing:

    Polls have shown Michigan voters are largely supportive of Whitmer’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic in the state. During the speech, Trump accused Biden of wanting to “flood the state with refugees,” take away people’s guns and “destroy your suburbs,” though all of those claims were wild exaggerations or outright falsehoods. He also repeated a claim — which no one has been able to verify — that he had once been given a “Man of the Year” award in Michigan.

    I wish only that they had also covered the rest of the Trump Family speeches, which were also all lies. I think it’s worth noting that this entire family is made up of pathological liars, including the spouses and the girlfriends. That’s pretty unusual, to have that kind of family-wide inability to tell the truth.

  43. 43.

    SFAW

    @oldgold:

    “The 1969 song “Fortunate Son,” by Creedence Clearwater Revival, blared as Air Force One arrived to crowds of Trump supporters at MBS International Airport in Freeland, Michigan, on Thursday.“

    They only used CCR because they couldn’t find any copies of anything by Clifford Joseph Trahan, whose songs were, apparently, “rib-tickling satire.”

    ETA: The only “rib-tickling” should be that performed by a Louisville Slugger on Trahan’s ribs.

  46. 46.

    SFAW

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Texans executive vice president of football operations Jack Easterby told NBC the players did not want “any misinterpretation of celebrating one song and throwing shade on the other”.

    Seems to me that the only way that could happen is if they only showed up for one of them. Somehow, the Chiefs managed to be on-field for both. I wonder which one the Texans would be “throwing shade on.”

  48. 48.

    HalfAssedHomesteader

    Maybe when 45 visits the Flight 93 field he’ll wonder aloud, “What was in it for them?”

  50. 50.

    Kay

    Doyle Canning
    @Canning4Oregon
    Big takeaways from
    @OregonGovBrown
    presser:
    – Salem-area fires are expected to merge.
    – evacs in Portland metro is possible
    – decent # of ppl fighting fires are students
    – we need MIN 2x the ppl power
    – have requested aid from DoD
    – WH hasn’t returned call.

    The governor called because the state is on fire but the thousands of Trump hires never got around to calling her back. 5 hours of Fox news daily, but no time for anyone to return a phone call.

  52. 52.

    NotMax

    @HalfAssedHomesteader

    Just occurred to me that this is the first national election in which people who were not yet in existence at the time can vote.

  58. 58.

    germy

    This woman was removed from a Trump rally because she took photos of the maskless crowd.

    First for me: Trump campaign tracked me down from pics i tweeted and escorted me out.

    — Kathy Gray (@michpoligal) September 10, 2020

  59. 59.

    Kay

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    The key seems to be pretty simple- you don’t promote the lies for the first 500 words and then add a weak rebuttal after the fact. Flip that around and it not only imparts more information more clearly, it’s better organized.

  61. 61.

    Baud

    @Kay: Agreed, although I’ll point out that if a Dem president lied like that, the story and the headline would be about how the president lies.

  62. 62.

    Betty Cracker

    @Baud: Oh great, so it’s wealthy shitbags buying McMansions, people who will probably vote for Trump and to reelect DeSantis. And here I thought one upside of the pandemic was its potential to slow irresponsible, environmentally destructive development in S FL.

  63. 63.

    Hoodie

    @Kay: Trump is going full on retaliatory.  He’s denied funding for Michigan NG while funding NG in other states. He also just signed a moratorium on offshore drilling that starts in Florida and mysteriously ends at the NC/SC border, excluding NC and VA.   In NC it will, if anything, hurt him in a heavily Republican part of the state that relies on tourism and pretty uniformly opposes oil exploration.  Maybe it’s a sign that he knows he going to lose and now he’s just acting out.

  64. 64.

    Betty Cracker

    @germy: Ironic, isn’t it? Trump basically tells pandemic-stricken NYC to drop dead, and the cultists cheer him on. But every September 11, they hump flags right on cue. I look forward to the day 9/11 passes like any other goddamned day.

  65. 65.

    narya

    Today is the day they finish the final bits–touching up some paint, putting one wall plate on, and taking away all of their tools (not many here, but some stuff). The tiles are VERY BRIGHT, but will also have stuff in front of them on the counter. The paint guy just informed me he likes it, that he’s used to lots of white tile. And tomorrow my dad turns 90, and I wish I could be there with him; instead, I’m sending cheese (9 varieties–one for each decade–including a horseradish cheddar, because he loves horseradish) from a local cheese store.

  66. 66.

    Soprano2

    @raven:

    “Doesn’t surprise me at all. Good ole Missouri is no different from Mississippi”

     

    Yea, but “the South”

    The part of MO I live in wanted to secede with the rest of the Southern states during the Civil War. It’s every bit as “Confederate” in many places as Mississippi was. MO was a divided state during the Civil War, but the state government was for the Union. In my city we have what I believe is the only national cemetery with a section where Confederate soldiers are buried.

  67. 67.

    Baud

    @Betty Cracker:

    But every September 11, they hump flags right on cue.

    They don’t care about New Yorkers. They venerate 9/11 because its the flash point for their war on dark-skinned people and the liberals who love them.

  68. 68.

    Jeffro

    @Betty Cracker:I look forward to the day 9/11 passes like any other goddamned day.

    Seconded here.  It’s just another yellow-ribbon car magnet for most at this point.  If people want to show how much they love this country, or respect first responders, there are actual, concrete ways to do that.

    Speaking of which…today is drop-off-yard-signs day here at the Fro household!  The combined Biden/Harris/Warner/Webb ones are a little stark & serious but maybe that’s the point this election.  Most of the folks on my list have “leave at front door” selected but a few have “put in my yard”.  The nerve!  What kind of concierge service do they think this is?  ;)

  69. 69.

    Soprano2

    @Baud:  I just read that KC fans booed the BLM unity show between the Chiefs and the Texans last night, which involved no kneeling.

    If you knew the Chiefs fans at my pub, you’d understand. Many (but not all) of them are hardcore Trumpers who believe racism is overblown, if everyone just obeyed the police everything would be fine, the press is going to stop talking about COVID after the election, etc.

  70. 70.

    Kay

    @Hoodie:

    It really bothers me. It really bothers me that California and Oregon are burning and the thousands of federal employees we’re all paying in the Trump Administration won’t help because they’re petty, venal political operatives.

    I resent paying them. They don’t do their jobs. I’m sick of carrying this low quality, deadbeat Trump organization. He should pay them. I would never have hired them. They’re the bottom 10%.

  71. 71.

    Barbara

    Without minimizing the gravity of what happened, or the profound impact it had on people’s lives, our worst disasters are those that have been self-inflicted.  Maybe that’s why we find it irresistible to memorialize 9/11 so thoroughly.  Yes, I will definitely keep off social media today but probably for reasons other than those that prompted the suggestion.

  72. 72.

    Baud

    @Soprano2:

    the press is going to stop talking about COVID after the election, etc.

    It’s what happened with ebola. So once again, it’s projection in their part.

  73. 73.

    Kay

    The official spokesperson for the US DOJ is a liar:

    Kerri Kupec DOJ
    @KerriKupecDOJ
    Myth: By DOJ removing the case from state to fed court, taxpayers are now on the hook for funding the Carroll defamation lawsuit.
    Fact: Once the case shifts to fed court, it becomes an issue of sovereign immunity. Meaning, case over. No case, no cost.

    Check out the twitter. They’ve turned it into Fox news.
    Just to recap- they now lie in the pleadings they file in courts, the AG lies in statements every day, and their spokesperson is a Trump zombie liar.
    They’re bleeding credibility. There won’t be any left by November, let alone after 4 more years of this. They’re a joke. No one should rely on anything they do or say. If they’ll lie about this they’ll lie about the other.

  78. 78.

    Kay

    If we win on November, someone should try to bring an action where people who were prosecuted under Barr’s DOJ have an opportunity for a professional, unbiased review of their cases. Just his public statements alone are a pack of lies. Why would his work or the work of the people he supervises be any more reliable? It’s likely all low quality garbage.

  80. 80.

    Kay

    Ethical people won’t stay working for Barr, who is corrupt. What that means is the quality will plummet further as the better people quit and are replaced by people who won’t object to ethical and professional violations. It will be much, much worse six months from now.

  82. 82.

    rp

    @Kay: That makes no sense from a legal perspective. And she’s ignoring the real question, which is why is the DOJ trying to ensure that the case is “over”?

  84. 84.

    Peale

    @Kay: Even the cases where they have gone after the sleezy Trump activists were probably just them being directed by Giuliani to eliminate rivals for Trump’s attention.

  85. 85.

    Kay

    @rp:

    We’re footing the bill for the sleazy Trump family’s legal issues. If they succeed they’ll stick us with hundreds of lawsuits- they’re sued constantly.

  88. 88.

    zhena gogolia

    @Kay:

    I’m afraid the people he’s killed and is continuing to kill by reviving the Federal death penalty won’t have a chance to try that.

  89. 89.

    Kay

    @Peale:

    They manipulated DHS and DOJ information on the protests- deliberate deception. It calls the validity and trustworthiness of the investigations and prosecutions of protesters into question. They deserve a review by professionals who honor the oaths they took.

  90. 90.

    NotMax

    @germy

    Find it passing amusing that the instruction booklet for my stove includes a section on how to use the “Sabbath setting.”

  91. 91.

    Kay

    @zhena gogolia:

    Well, luckily there are lots and lots of smart lawyers. We can easily replace the cowards who went along with this. These aren’t employees at the meatpacking plants who had to come to work if they wanted to eat. These are educated, skilled professionals and any one of them could have stood up and objected- none of them did. It’s assumed that ratting out your corrupt boss might lose you your job. There’s no exception for that. You have to do it anyway. Obviously. If there were an exception for “corrupt boss”  the ethical rules wouldn’t mean anything, because they’re designed to cull out corrupt bosses.

  92. 92.

    Dopey-o

    @Soprano2: MO was a divided state during the Civil War, but the state government was for the Union.

    the city of St Louis was pro-south, pro-slavery. Lincoln stationed union troops to contain the city dwellers.
    outstate Missourians, being mostly Lutherans fleeing the Kaiser, despised slavery and wanted to hold the Union together. They also planted some good vineyards.
    times change, alignments change, and Ozark can point out how the City and the County are 98% blue. Unions and black Americans kept us sane.

  93. 93.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Betty Cracker:

    I was barely conceived on December 7, 1941 — I’m quite sure my mother didn’t even know she was pregnant (my parents had been married only three weeks). When I was a very little girl, Pearl Harbor Day was kind of a big deal, a sombre occasion everywhere, and a fine teaching opportunity in elementary school. But 19 years later — 1960 — I was 18, paying some attention to politics and public affairs, and I don’t recall anything for PH like the kind of media and ceremonial attention generated each year by 9/11. What attention was paid to PH was brisk and respectful, not the sobbing, maudlin coverage 9/11 gets to this day. Not at all denigrating the very real pain suffered by thousands of families, and the shock that we as a nation experienced; just registering my amazement that a tear and a catch in the throat is still the go-to emotional hook for so many TV/cable anchors*.  At this point, it only feels manipulative. Apologies to anyone I might have offended. I’m not denying others’ grief.

    *Looking at you in particular, Mika Brzezinski.

  95. 95.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @narya:

    Happy 90th to your dad! He and my own father would have fought over the horseradish cheddar — I think horseradish was my dad’s favourite flavour in the world :-)

  96. 96.

    Baud

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    But 19 years later — 1960 — I was 18, paying some attention to politics and public affairs, and I don’t recall anything for PH like the kind of media and ceremonial attention generated each year by 9/11

    Unlike George W. Bush, FDR won the ensuing war and did so relatively quickly.

  97. 97.

    NotMax

    @SiubhanDuinne

    As with wines, my preference in horseradish runs significantly more to the red than than the white.

    As a kidlet, a cherished snack was to slap together a horseradish sandwich.

    :0

  103. 103.

    Kelly

    Good Morning!

    We are still with our friends near Oregon City, where we have been since evacuating from the Santiam/Beachie fire in the wee hours Monday morning. Yesterday afternoon our current haven was bumped up to a level 2 “be set” evac status. Level 3 “get out” evac zone was moved to within 10 miles of here. All this was accompanied by news the firefighters were retreating as their situation was too dangerous. A tense afternoon. We’ve have friends that will take in the cats and us in west Portland if we have to flee again. Slept well last night.

    Situation at home seems to be stabilizing. As I said yesterday our house is fine. About half the neighborhood homes burned. Got an email from the power company that they are working on power to our house. With widespread power failures to fix I don’t think they bother if it looks like the fires would ruin it again.

    Sitting here in limbo waiting for the dice to roll

  104. 104.

    Barbara

    @NotMax:  I had an au pair who spent her first year working for a family that was vigilant about observing all Jewish holidays, even the “minor” ones. They would turn their oven on Friday before sundown and not turn it off until sundown on Saturday. When she first started working with them, she thought they had left it on by mistake and turned it off. When they told her what they were doing she turned it back on (they told her they couldn’t ask her to turn it on). So the Sabbath setting most likely allows the oven to automatically set to on/off based on pre-programmed times, which can be entered before sundown on the Sabbath day, and correspond to when you are likely to be using the oven to cook.
    There was a horrifying fire in NYC a few years ago that killed six of seven sleeping kids, which was caused by a hot plate keeping food warm for the Sabbath.

  106. 106.

    narya

    @SiubhanDuinne: There’s also an Irish porter cheddar in the mix. Along with Affinois truffle, taleggio, two bellavitanos (one wrapped in balsamic, one in merlot), huntsman, and an 11-year cheddar. They were out of the morbier and the mimolette.

  108. 108.

    narya

    @OzarkHillbilly: He will not want to be sharing. I just wish I could have sent along some venison ring bologna to go with it; I always bring some of that, and a couple of jars of homemade sauerkraut as well.

  111. 111.

    narya

    @SiubhanDuinne: I was kind of stressing, because I hadn’t even gotten him a card, but then I had an inspiration, and there is a cheese store near them, and the store had JUST reopened after a two-week vacation. So I get to support a local business, too. And I know he’ll love it, and it’s consumable, not a “thing.”

  113. 113.

    TS (the original)

    Live updates on WaPo

    12:46 AM
    Pence stops by firehouse first to respond to to 9/11 attacks
    12:07 AM
    Biden, at 9/11 site in New York, shares grief with woman whose son died in attacks
    11:14 PM
    Trump observes moment of silence on Air Force One

  114. 114.

    Kropacetic

    @SiubhanDuinne: But 19 years later — 1960 — I was 18, paying some attention to politics and public affairs, and I don’t recall anything for PH like the kind of media and ceremonial attention generated each year by 9/11.

    It’s crazy.  I know people who lose themselves all day in this coverage and seethe with anger.  It’s disturbing. Meanwhile we’ve lost many, many more people to tragedy since then.  Just look at the pandemic, it’s like a 9/11 every other day.  The obsession is really because this was perpetrated by people with a different hue to their skin and funny sounding names.  I mean “Trump,” really? What kind of name is that? Oh, sorry, got my wires crossed and was talking about the pandemic again.

  116. 116.

    Kropacetic

    @TS (the original): Pence stops by firehouse first to respond to to 9/11 attacks

    Wait…what?

    Trump observes moment of silence on Air Force One

    This must be the most effort he put into anything toddling down a ramp.

  117. 117.

    Soprano2

    @Baud: It’s what happened with ebola. So once again, it’s projection in their part.

    They fervently believe that the only reason the press is talking about COVID is to hurt Trump. I’ve heard this from several regular customers. I keep telling them that it won’t go away after the election because disease doesn’t work like that, and they say “Yeah but the press will quit obsessing about it, they’re only doing that to hurt Trump”.

  120. 120.

    Soprano2

    @rp: @Soprano2: Back in the real world, I fully expect the press to talk more about COVID if Biden wins. “Why haven’t you fixed this!?!?”

    Oh yeah, totally, within a week they’ll start asking why Biden hasn’t fixed it, and they’ll completely forget that Trump was president when it started.

  121. 121.

    gin & tonic

    So Rudy didn’t suspect Derkach was a Russian agent because, wait for it, Derkach didn’t tell him he was a Russian agent.

    I’m not making this up.

  124. 124.

    Kropacetic

    @Soprano2: Oh yeah, totally, within a week they’ll start asking why Biden hasn’t fixed it, and they’ll completely forget that Trump was president when it started.

    Within a week of his election.  They won’t even wait til inauguration, like Trump taking credit for Obama’s awful economy becoming great under Trump.

  125. 125.

    bluefish

    @WereBear:  I got and it’s a searing image. The great O’Toole in the role of a lifetime. Good image given the context. From an almost always lurker.

  126. 126.

    John Cooper

    @oldgold: My favorites – two songs from Pink Floyd’s The Wall:

    Run Like Hell “Feel the bile rising from your guilty past
    With your nerves in tatters as the cockleshell shatters
    And the hammers batter down your door
    You better run!” and Waiting for the Worms “Waiting for the queens and the coons
    And the reds and the Jews
    Waiting to follow the worms”

    OR … Shankill Butchers “The Shankill butchers on the rise
    They’re waiting until the dead of nights
    They’re picking at their fingers with their knives
    And wiping off their cleavers on their thighs”OR Theme from The Exorcist

    OR Helter Skelter OR Look at Your Game Girl OR Lucifer Rising OR I Love the Dead OR … the list goes on and on – time for appropriate music for this death cult

  127. 127.

    Ken

    @gin & tonic: Hasn’t Rudy been selling himself as a security consultant?

    “Our first principle of investigation is that the bad guys will tell us they are, in fact, bad guys.”

  131. 131.

    Sloane Ranger

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: They already have. I don’t remember when it happened or who asked the question but I do remember Biden patiently pointing out that he’s NOT currently the President, just the guy running to be the next one and has no power at the moment to do anything other than set an example and push sensible control strategies.

  132. 132.

    Kropacetic

    @Emma from FL: Problem is, people repeat it and it becomes that thing everybody knows that just isn’t so.  Lately I’ve been hearing a resurgence of people blaming Obama for all the jobs lost early in his term, even though the financial crisis had started months earlier.

    People just casually spread lies among each other in public and if you try to correct them, you’re the asshole.

  133. 133.

    StringOnAStick

    @Kropacetic:  I recall an NPR man in the street interview about 6 weeks after Obama took office.  The guy had been a “huge Obama supporter” he said but he was hugely disappointed that Obama “hadn’t fixed the economy yet and I wish I hadn’t voted for him now”.  It was one of my early hints that NPR was growing rather fluffy and both sider-ish.  Also that some of our allies can be pretty damned stupid.

  135. 135.

    CliosFanBoy

    I think of today, Nov 22, and December 7 as “National Let me Tell You About my Conspiracy Theory” days.

  136. 136.

    catclub

    @NotMax: probably a pilotlight?  I think the rule that oven control is under is ‘not kindling a fire ‘  on the sabbath.

     

    I wonder if you could put lights on rheostats, and switch them barely on

    and leave them?

  137. 137.

    Elizabelle

    @SiubhanDuinne:   Great comment, SD.

    I hate the phony September 11 coverage.  It’s depressing to see a tragedy perverted into political signaling.

    I mourn for the lives lost (then, and from aftereffects), and lost in the ridiculous Iraq War that followed.  Just learned this week that I have a friend who had 2 friends on one of the 9/11 airliners.

    Shame on Mika B.  She has none, but shame.

    September 11, to me, is a day to reflect on the value of honesty, empathy, truth-telling, and the pain of how that attack was so perverted by US politicians and a lot of Americans who should have known better.  (I know a few wised up to the manipulation, after the fact.)

  138. 138.

    catclub

    @Kropacetic: People just casually spread lies among each other in public and if you try to correct them, you’re the asshole.

     

    But Bush kept us safe.  They told me so.

  139. 139.

    Nancy

    @Baud:

    Saw that on the TV. People suck sometimes. Not everyone, but people who would boo other people who are exercising their first amendment rights.

  142. 142.

    Captain C

    @Kropacetic: WASHINGTON, D.C.–November 5, 2020:

    “It’s Day 2 of the COVID crisis, and Joe Biden still hasn’t done anything to fix it.  Maga Haberman and Glenn ‘Serial Harasser’ Thrush look at the total inaction and depravity of the Biden Administration, page A1” — The FTFNYT

  143. 143.

    Ruckus

    While fires are all over the west coast region but the one closest to me, the Bobcat fire is still burning and has grown, in 5 days to over 26,300 acres. Most of the area has not burned for over 60 yrs so the fuel is there, the terrain is very inaccessible and steep so most of the control is around the fire zone and water drops are really the only way to fight it. 7 cities are on evacuation notice, not the entire cities, just the northern sections. But many places have built into the hilly areas over the last 50 yrs so a lot of homes are susceptible to the fire. Home I grew up in is in one of evacuation areas. Ash is still falling where I live and work and my car looks like it was abandoned quite a while ago.

    Not sure but given who is president and all the fires, but the concept of an apocalypse seems at least possible.

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