Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Hey Washington Post, “Democracy Dies in Darkness” was supposed to be a warning, not a mission statement.

Yeah, with this crowd one never knows.

Fight them, without becoming them!

Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn.

Everybody saw this coming.

The current Supreme Court is a dangerous, rogue court.

He wakes up lying, and he lies all day.

We can’t confuse what’s necessary to win elections with the policies that we want to implement when we do.

Let me eat cake. The rest of you could stand to lose some weight, frankly.

We are aware of all internet traditions.

Roe is not about choice. It is about freedom.

Speaker Mike Johnson is a vile traitor to the House and the Constitution.

They don’t have outfits that big. nor codpieces that small.

Thanks to your bullshit, we are now under siege.

Too often we hand the biggest microphones to the cynics and the critics who delight in declaring failure.

When your entire life is steeped in white supremacy, equality feels like discrimination.

Someone should tell Republicans that violence is the last refuge of the incompetent, or possibly the first.

Beware of advice from anyone for whom Democrats are “they” and not “we.”

I’m starting to think Jesus may have made a mistake saving people with no questions asked.

These are not very smart people, and things got out of hand.

Republicans: slavery is when you own me. freedom is when I own you.

“Alexa, change the president.”

Bad people in a position to do bad things will do bad things because they are bad people. End of story.

You cannot love your country only when you win.

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GOP Death Cult Open Thread: Knock – Knock – Knocking on Heaven’s Gate

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Plenty of aging narcissists have wanted the whole world to die with them. Not many have had as many willing accomplices as the GOP death cult.


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  2. 2.

    japa21

    Watching that yesterday, Trump started listening to the comment, semi-seriously, then looked to his right with a smirk on his face, like “Here we go again.” He is the existential threat that al Qaeda and Isis never were.

  4. 4.

    MomSense

    There is so much I want to say, more like scream, but I’ve been at the point of crying all day. It’s kind of like the feeling you get when a sneeze is coming and you are suspended in the waiting for it.

  5. 5.

    Mag

    One of the Republican Oregon state senators that walked out of the Oregon Senate to deny quorum, Fred Girod, had his house burn down one of the state’s wildfires. His and his colleagues’ actions had consequences, but who could have known they’d be so personal and immediate? Will he change his tune? Don’t count on it.

    The 69-year-old dentist-turned-politician blames the loss of the house he called “my forever home” not on climate change, but on environmentalists.

  9. 9.

    Quinerly

    This ICE whistleblower/hysterectomy story finally being reported out in MSM. BBC reported earlier today. Nicolle Wallace has a segment coming up.

  12. 12.

    Kent

    @Mag:One of the Republican Oregon state senators that walked out of the Oregon Senate to deny quorum, Fred Girod, had his house burn down one of the state’s wildfires. His and his colleagues’ actions had consequences, but who could have known they’d be so personal and immediate? Will he change his tune? Don’t count on it.

    Fuck these people.   I hate that they have forced us into taking grim satisfaction at their own ignorant misfortune.  I really hate that they have forced me to loose all sympathy.  But that is where we are at.  Actions have consequences.

  13. 13.

    Kent

    @Baud:@Mag: “Why weren’t the environmentalists more persuasive?”

    They walked out over a climate change bill that would have imposed some lightweight milquetoast sort of carbon tax on diesel trucks and such.   I forget the exact details.  There was also some sort of tightened vaccination rules that eliminated the personal choice exemption from school vaccine requirements.  That triggered a bunch of them too.

  15. 15.

    dm

    Ezra Klein has had an engineer named Saul Griffith on his podcast twice in the past year.  Griffith’s commentary has left me feeling pretty optimistic about the potential to alleviate the climate crisis, as he walks through the steps needed to completely decarbonize our economy by 2040.  Plus the Green-New-Deal-phobic can still have their hamburgers, their McMansions, and their SUVs (though electric ones that perform better and require less maintenance).  In other words, something that’s politically possible as well as physically possible.  Also: jobs.

    Here’s a link to let you see what I mean: https://www.vox.com/podcasts/2020/8/27/21403184/saul-griffith-ezra-klein-show-solve-climate-change-green-new-deal-rewiring-america

  16. 16.

    JPL

    @Quinerly:  Yahoo had a story about it.   The AJC and several other publications are high lighting the lack of Covid testing.    She’s on the local tv now

    nothing on the forced sterilizations

  18. 18.

    LuciaMia

    @tokyokie: I first thought he meant cooler temps maybe helping calm the wild fires. But he was actually talking about climate change?? His ass-holishnish knows no limits.

  20. 20.

    Aziz, light!

    @Mag: The wingnuts in Oregon have their new talking point. The reason we had all these fires is that environmentalists stopped our patriotic timber companies from logging all the trees.

  24. 24.

    Roger Moore

    @Mag:

    The 69-year-old dentist-turned-politician blames the loss of the house he called “my forever home” not on climate change, but on environmentalists.

    If those wacky environmentalists hadn’t stopped the loggers from cutting down the forest, it wouldn’t be there to burn.  Checkmate, libtard!

  25. 25.

    lamh36

    @JasJWright

    ·
    12m

    Going to do a thread from
    @KamalaHarris
    first trip back to her home state of California since the pandemic ramped up in March, with a laser focus on Wildfire damage in Sierra Nevada foothills

    At the Pine Ridge School in Auberry,
    @KamalaHarris
    down the line elbow bumping and stopping to make small chit chat with Cal Fire and Park officer. Wearing a green anorak jacket and chestnut Timberland boots. The entire event, ash continued to fall down from the sky

    https://twitter.com/JasJWright/status/1305982607029485573?s=20

  26. 26.

    JPL

    @Quinerly: Thanks for the heads up on MSNBC reporting about the specific doctor.    Since Dawn’s info was light, I think that is why the local news didn’t air that segment.

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    Kent

    @LuciaMia:@tokyokie: I first thought he meant cooler temps maybe helping calm the wild fires. But he was actually talking about climate change?? His ass-holishnish knows no limits.

    He was talking about climate change.  It was sheer outright climate change denial, not some misinterpretation of his comment.

  32. 32.

    Chyron HR

    What would happen if the next time Trump started in on his shit, the person he’s talking to just asked, “Why shouldn’t we have you shot, you fucking imbecile?”

  34. 34.

    MomSense

    @Quinerly:

    There is no end to the fucking evil with these Republicans.  I pity the fool who dares say something about “pro-life” or abortion to me.  I’m a donkey on the edge.

  38. 38.

    Mike G

    @Baud:

    Joshua trees. It’s not easy to start them burning but it is possible, in this case a rare lightning strike.

    The densest concentration of them on earth burned up in the Dome Fire near Baker, CA.

  39. 39.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    Trump comments like these are important for the historical record, because if the science is remotely correct there’s going to be a massive effort to retcon this period as “Of course everyone wanted to deal with climate change, the far left just wouldn’t agree to a carbon tax”

    ROFL My god, is he right about that.

  42. 42.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @LuciaMia: I first thought he meant cooler temps maybe helping calm the wild fires. But he was actually talking about climate change?? His ass-holishnish knows no limits.

    He’s that much of dumb ass; it snows in the winter, therefor these is no Global Warming in Trump’s mind.

  43. 43.

    Miss Bianca

    @Mag: OK, with the caveat that I’m not getting out of the boat, how the fuck does he manage to blame wildfires on “environmentalists”?

    ETA: OK, if some of the other commenters who speak wingnut are to believed, it’s because…video killed the radio star environmentalists killed logging? Duh, OF COURSE, libtard!

  48. 48.

    craigie

    “I don’t think science knows.”

    Does Trump think “Science” is some guy who works somewhere in the Federal government?

  52. 52.

    Kent

    @Miss Bianca:@Mag: OK, with the caveat that I’m not getting out of the boat, how the fuck does he manage to blame wildfires on “environmentalists”?

    A lot of western forests are really overgrown with fuel and enormous fire hazards.  Mainly because they were logged off long ago and are now filled with dense secondary growth.  Actual old-growth forests are not nearly the same sort of fire hazard.  There are basically three ways to deal with this:

    First, controlled burns, which can be difficult, especially in densely overgrown forests and have their own environmental impacts.  You can’t just coat a nearby city with smoke.  And once a forest is too overgrown, it’s dangerous to set it on fire intentionally.

    Second, mechanical thinning where you go in and trim out the underbrush and thin out some trees.  This is exceedingly expensive and difficult because much of what you remove is not commercially viable lumber except perhaps for pulp.  And you can’t just use a lot of heavy machinery.  It’s an expensive labor intensive grind acre by acre and costs hundreds of millions that the GOP doesn’t want to spend.

    Third, just logging it all out.  They often have euphemisms for this like “salvage logging”.  But it means punching in roads, destroying salmon streams and habitat, and turning the mountains into prairie.

    Because environmentalists oppose #3 it is all their fault that there are fires.

  55. 55.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    For the first time in its 175 year history, Scientific American magazine has issued a presidential endorsement:

    Scientific American has never endorsed a presidential candidate in its 175-year history. This year we are compelled to do so. We do not do this lightly.

    The evidence and the science show that Donald Trump has badly damaged the U.S. and its people—because he rejects evidence and science. The most devastating example is his dishonest and inept response to the COVID-19 pandemic, which cost more than 190,000 Americans their lives by the middle of September. He has also attacked environmental protections, medical care, and the researchers and public science agencies that help this country prepare for its greatest challenges. That is why we urge you to vote for Joe Biden, who is offering fact-based plans to protect our health, our economy and the environment.

    h/t https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientific-american-endorses-joe-biden/

  56. 56.

    MomSense

    @Aleta:

    A faculty member at my sons ‘s school tested positive.  S/he is going to be retested and hopefully it will be negative, but the closed the school today.

  57. 57.

    WereBear

    @Kent:

    They walked out over a climate change bill that would have imposed some lightweight milquetoast sort of carbon tax on diesel trucks and such.   I forget the exact details.  There was also some sort of tightened vaccination rules that eliminated the personal choice exemption from school vaccine requirements.  That triggered a bunch of them too.

     
    They won’t compromise. They see it as weakness. Like the Confederacy that is still their mindset, they will not stop.

    They can only be stopped.

  61. 61.

    Kent

    @Roger Moore: pretty much

    And, honestly it isn’t really the environmentalists at all.  They have nowhere near that much power.  All they really do is insist that the Forest Service and private timber companies follow the ACTUAL LAW when it comes to forest management.  Laws that were passed in both Republican and Democratic congresses and administrations back in the day when Republicans were not all brain dead goobers

    Environmental groups sue the Forest Service to force it to follow the actual damn law and it is all their fault when they win and the Forest Service has to follow the law.

    That is the actual logic.  Environmentalists don’t get to write forest management laws.  Congress does that.

  64. 64.

    MomSense

    @WaterGirl:

    Yup.  He’s my last one in school.  He

    decided to attend remotely so he wasn’t exposed at school, but he’s angry, sad, and worried about his friends and teachers.  One of his best friends decided to attend in person this year because he said he is afraid he will fail out of school if he has to be at home.  He needs the support.  These kids shouldn’t have been put in this position.

  69. 69.

    Roger Moore

    @MomSense:

    Apparently the management sent out an email today saying as of today masks are now mandatory.

    It’s infuriating that they weren’t mandatory already.  It’s not as if nobody knew that masks were a good idea.  Waiting until after your first outbreak to institute rules everyone should have know were necessary at the beginning is stupid.

  72. 72.

    trollhattan

    @Kent:

    That’s how I understand it. “Pay me now or pay me later” to Republicans gets an automatic “how does never sound?” but option #2 followed with controlled burns to keep undergrowth tamed eventually leads to fire-resistant mature forest that is also good habitat and recreation.

    Early explorers reported driving wagons through lodgepole forest in the Sierra, so large and far-spaced were the trees. Must have been something.

    Having backpacked west slope Cascade virgin doug fir forest (is any still there?) I know its special. Fly over the Sierra and Cascades and you see what’s really happened to most of it.

  73. 73.

    CapnMubbers

    @Baud: 
    Fires in the desert do happen and can be devastating. In the fragile desert environment native vegetation takes a long time to regenerate and is frequently replaced with invasive grasses, depriving desert creatures of food. Invasive burn more readily, further reducing the opportunity for native plants to regain a foothold. The Cima Dome Fire in August (started by lightning) destroyed the heart of the Joshua Tree forest. Here in my new home in southern Utah, illegal fireworks started a 12,000+ acre fire just after July 4th. Wiped out many desert tortoises and their habitat in a reserve which was meant to protect them. Incidentally it threatened the area where my house is located. After choosing not to rebuild in Paradise, CA I did not expect to be on the verge of evacuating because of fire in the Utah desert.

  74. 74.

    catclub

    @Aleta: They’re going to test everyone at the mill in Rumford because of an outbreak.

     

    There’s trouble at the mill?  Has one old flayrod gone out askew on treadle?

  80. 80.

    Brachiator

    “I don’t think science knows.”

    US President Donald Trump has downplayed the impact of climate change on raging west coast wildfires, saying he doesn’t think “science knows” and that it “will soon get cooler”.

    What an idiot.

    Ignorance is not the alternative to science. Science may not know everything, but ignorance does not know anything.

    Trump and his Big Boss Businessman routine is very much like a mad 18th century monarch who thinks that he can establish reality by royal decree. He really gets off on the idea that “I’m the president, so people have to listen to me.”

    Imbecile Narcissist’s Delight.

    So goddam tiresome.

  81. 81.

    Brachiator

    @catclub:

    There’s trouble at the mill?  Has one old flayrod gone out askew on treadle?

    This is usually when they send Lassie to get help.

     

  83. 83.

    WaterGirl

    @japa21: And let’s not forget that it’s something like 4 million people who have gotten covid (I think i have that right) some not totally recovered and many have on-going issues.

  84. 84.

    Tim C.

    Whelp… time to out myself.     I work in Corbett.  The part of the story that needs to be mentioned is that a second group of similar, but not identical group in the community were basically saying that they were armed too and that if anyone tried to stop them, they would be shooting first.

    Probably just internet macho posturing, but geez….

  85. 85.

    Sally

    @Kent: As observed in other fire prone countries, controlled burns are also becoming more difficult to manage. The climatic windows for these exercises are narrowing everywhere, due to climate change. Cold and wet conditions lasted longer, and gave firefighters more opportunities to burn areas in danger, without smoking out towns and cities. Smoke that kills people, I might add. Fire seasons are lasting longer in both hemispheres, giving more chances of lightning strikes causing serious fires. It’s cause on top of cause, on top of cause.

  86. 86.

    Mary Ellen Sandahl

    @MomSense:
    I’m with MomSense at 4. When I saw that interchange between Gov Newsom and the other California officials and Trump, I wanted to reach into the screen and punch his smirking face hard. Put yourself in the CA officials’ place: they are responsible for people’s lives, homes, for communities in the path of fiery destruction. They are there, forced to plead with a smirking stupid mountain of careless selfishness for help, for some kind of cooperation from this smirking, chuckling pile of offal who will not listen, will not help, who enjoys watching them plead and suffer. It’s like the dreams kids often have where they know something bad is going to happen, and run to adults to tell them, but the adults ignore them. Except this is adults running to a giant ignorant child.
    Makes me want to throw up.

  87. 87.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    @Kent:

    You forgot to mention that the previous logging leaves behind lots of waste that turns into tinder and makes the fires worse. As a kid I remember talk of forest management and thinning of forests. That cost too much so we moved on to clear cutting.

    There could be a solution somewhere in between but that would require an honest and responsible second party to negotiations.

  88. 88.

    Amir Khalid

    I have puzzled over this term “white nationalist” ever since I first saw it. Is it anything more than a euphemism for “racist”?

  89. 89.

    SFAW

    @Amir Khalid:

    I have puzzled over this term “white nationalist” ever since I first saw it. Is it anything more than a euphemism for “racist”?

    I hope you realize that YOU are the actual white nationalist  racist for asking that question.

  90. 90.

    Richard

    @CapnMubbers: We used to go visit the Cima Dome area every year at least once and more often sometimes. I heard it burned but now i hear it was pretty bad. That breaks my heart. Many of those other interesting plants will be able to come back, maybe. But i think maybe the most magnificent Joshua Tree forest in the world is going to take a long time to recover. Because you live nearby, you can visit Gold Butte National Monument and similar places around here.

    Maybe if we had told more people about Cima Dome, we could have asked people for more help to protect that place.

  91. 91.

    cain

    @trollhattan: Not and get reelected, I’m guessing.

    We need to flip a few more seats – and then we won’t need the Republicans to show up at all. Right now, they need to be there for quorum. After that, fuck those guys they can do whatever the fuck they want. They want to go and run to Idaho and have a circle jerk with white supremacists – be my guest.

  92. 92.

    cain

    @Aziz, light!:

    LOL – that’s such an asinine position. Their answer is that we should have just wiped out all the trees. They seem to have forgotten that nobody wants our trees, they are getting it cheaper from China and other sources.

    They’d have to hire more illegal labor – it doesnt translate to more jobs for these folks.

  95. 95.

    cain

    @Sally:

    These people are so nuts that even if the fires continue to turn everything to ash, they’d still be angry and just sit there morose because things didn’t go their way. They will instead just die, but die gladly thinking they are going to get raptured.

    Death cult indeed.

  96. 96.

    The Lodger

    @Brachiator: Do you suppose Trump is an actual descendant of Mad King Ludwig, or was there just a lot of that sort of lunacy going around Bavaria in those days?

  98. 98.

    Chris T.

    @Kent: Second, mechanical thinning where you go in and trim out the underbrush and thin out some trees. This is exceedingly expensive and difficult because much of what you remove is not commercially viable lumber except perhaps for pulp. And you can’t just use a lot of heavy machinery. It’s an expensive labor intensive grind acre by acre and costs hundreds of millions that the GOP doesn’t want to spend.

    Exactly so. The only one that is practical in these areas is the one that Republicans nix.

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