@Baud: You are most welcome! Is there a better link than this?
This doesn’t seem to be the right one. Where is the town hall?
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Baud
@WaterGirl: I don’t think your link goes to the town hall.
ETA: CNN is carrying it.
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MisterForkbeard
I honestly don’t want to watch this, because I’m sure someone will ask him about what’s-her-name that accused him of rape – now that it’s topical, with Trump being accused again. Or some other such nonsense that I just do not have the flipping patience for.
I will (as always) have to rely on the wisdom and fortitude of the jackals here. Thanks in advance. :)
@MisterForkbeard: I am feeling like this about the debates. I don’t want to watch because listening to Drumpf is painful, but also because I assume the moderators will have the long knives out for Biden.
Fabulous. Simply fabulous job being done by Mr. Biden.
Slaughtering Trump.
Also loved his so being riled about an Ivy League Education not being needed to be President.
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MisterForkbeard
@gwangung: If I remember correctly, Rush was whining just this morning about how Biden did a live event. Maybe I can capture the breathlessness and idiocy: “… and dems said he was there before it started but no one had seem him at all and maybe he was hiding again because he’s joe and he’s in the basement and then he showed up and was totally normal so clearly he’s on drugs and a deviant”
MAGAts will MAGAt.
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Elie
I dunno — I’m not seeing/hearing any “long knives” for Biden yet. I think he has been pretty uninterrupted in his responses. Doesnt mean they won’t or can’t, just not seeing it. He sounds good to me — in command of issues, not always the crispest but certainly holding his own…
I honestly don’t want to watch this, because I’m sure someone will ask him about what’s-her-name that accused him of rape – now that it’s topical, with Trump being accused again.
I think these are a pre-screened group of voters. I’d be surprised if someone so deep in twitter madness could pass their screening. I’d be less surprised if some aspiring Tim Russert (stipulating: I think Russert and his legendary “gotcha” questions were both comically overrated) still carrying the Broder Strain (do I even have to say it?) tries to do this later this week.
@WaterGirl: CNN is a cable channel. Not likely to be linkable.
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MisterForkbeard
@Hildebrand: I appreciate that the media does seem to have caught onto the fact that Trump is a giant dumpster fire in every possible way, though they still cover for him. But they really all want to be the one to get in the news for damaging Biden too, and it shows.
False equivalencies abound. The questions over the past few days about “If you say you can’t trust Trump aren’t you saying Americans can’t trust the government and the CDC? Aren’t you a giant hypocrite?” kind of things.
IMHO Biden’s response to the question about defunding the police failed to adequately answer it, because he did not adequately make clear that he was for reallocating funding to more effective forms of community policing and services, rather than literally defunding police. “Defunding” per se is NOT popular ouside hard-core progressive elements of the Democratic party, but instead sounds like pure madness, unless you adequately explain how community safety can be more effectively done by changing the emphasis in police funding, not eliminating or defunding police per se.
Biden needs to sharpen and refine his answers to police “defunding” type questions in his upcoming debates with Trump.
With this link, breaking news takes you to CNN (also called “Top Headlines” on bar at the top), and Rockin’ Rooster’s Politics takes you to MSNBC
ETA: Some jackal told me about this online site, a few years ago, and really appreciate it for breaking news and watching the Mary Trump interview, etc.
Could you be more specific? Are we talking ficus or magnolia?
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Baud
Biden’s literally talking about his policy on shit right now.
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Mary G
Just like in Trump’s town hall, Biden interrupted the questioner, she asked him to let her finish, and Biden, unlike Trump, apologized for interrupting her.— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) September 18, 2020
Got it. Still I think his basic Uncle Joe personality will hold him in good stead … He aint perfect and he isnt trying to be — but he is real and honest and putting it out there.. These days, that by itself is a powerful statement
Oy – I missed most of it. Just tuned in in time to hear the last few questions.
Apparently, Biden called on Trump to resign because of his inaction on Covid 19? Good golly.
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Mary G
The nice thing about people sending *the most* idiotic hate mail to our house is it helps the postal service. Also, @AVindman will never see it because I put it in recycling before I go inside. But thanks for buying a stamp!!!— Rachel Vindman (@natsechobbyist) September 17, 2020
It was ok. Joe had some good moments but it wasn’t his best night. The decency contrast is remarkable. And Joe is pretty knowledgeable about a range of subjects.
@cmorenc: “Defund the Police” is a dumb and confusing slogan and I don’t know how we got stuck with it, We’ve already got a perfectly good word for what we need to do and it wouldn’t make the average person think you’re trying to burn down City Hall.
I didn’t agree with him about not questioning motive. I think it’s important to find out why the current president wants to poison states with Democratic governors.
I
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Mary Ellen Sandahl
@Hildebrand:
Well, at least there won’t be a clutch of them at each debate striving to outdo each other, as there’ll be only one moderator per debate. Chris Wallace for the first, C-SPAN’S Chris Scully at the second, and NBC’s Kristen Welker the third. From here.
I remain concerned that Joe keeps insisting that once Trump is gone, he can work with Republicans as if he doesn’t remember all the obstruction Obama faced.
Our marginal voters aren’t fighters. They want to cling to hope that things will get done.
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JPL
@cmorenc: It was not a perfect answer but it was okay.. imo from CNN
“The vast majority of police are decent, honorable people. One of the things I’ve found is, the only people who don’t like bad cops more than we don’t like them are police officers. And so what we have to do is we have to have a much more transparent means by which we provide for accountability within police departments,” Biden said.
As president, Biden said he would bring together a coalition of police chiefs, officers, unions and communities of color to “sit at the table and agree on the fundamental things that need to be done, including much more rigorous back ground checks that apply for and become police officers.”
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Omnes Omnibus
@Betty: JFC, he isn’t speaking to us. The people he needs to get or shore up are the kind of people who like to hear that sort of shit.
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Jim, Foolish Literalist
Niles Edward [email protected] · 44m
Biden: “Who the hell makes you think I have to have an Ivy League degree to be President?” #BidenTownHall
Holly [email protected] · 43m
Joe Biden talking about not needing an Ivy League degree to be president gets (the only so far?) applause at the CNN town hall.
Girl, you are in the microflora. There is plenty of room to manipulate that over time. Don’t get hung up on that. Hell, we are probably gonna spend the first 6 months at the barricades making sure we have fair election results — not trying to talk to the opposition! We will be lucky to get to your more sophisticated concerns for a while.
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JPL
@Baud: Twitter is saying that he seemed prepared for the answers and my reaction was well doh! He was asked about everything we have been talking about, and i want a president who is prepared to answer those questions.
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Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Betty: the way to keep Biden from having to make concessions to Republicans is to get Democrats the Senate majority. And there will still be things they do that we don’t like, because Mark Kelly and Theresa Greenfield and Steve Bullock (assuming we’re lucky) will probably want to be re-elected. And if we’re very lucky, I think a lot of people like the people who post and comment on this blog are going to get very angry at Angus King over the next few years.
And IMHO that troublesome Senate majority that we’ll be lucky to have will be far less conservative and far less obnoxious than the one Barack Obama and Harry Reid had to deal with.
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Omnes Omnibus
@Betty: Fuck it, have fun worrying about him being less than perfect.
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glory b
Just out, a federal judge has enjoined the post office from continuing its tactics delaying the mail.
As president, Biden said he would bring together a coalition of police chiefs, officers, unions and communities of color to “sit at the table and agree on the fundamental things that need to be done, including much more rigorous back ground checks that apply for and become police officers.”
@Baud: Truthfully, I don’t want a president that isn’t prepared to answer questions about the virus, foreign policy, environment, racial inequity, police brutality, etc etc etc. We already have that which has caused many of us to loose sleep.
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Professor Bigfoot
@Betty: THAT is what kept me from being a Bidenite at the beginning of the primaries.
But I don’t think Joe’s so stupid as to think these treasonous bastards can be worked with, much less trusted.
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JPL
Earlier trump tweeted about Chris Wray’s answer about election interference and is concerned about Wray’s comment about Russia, Russia, Russia. I came close to commenting Marsha, Marsha, Marsha can you please stop tweeting about Russia, Russia, Russia. It’s so immature.
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Jim, Foolish Literalist
@JPL: Twitter is saying that he seemed prepared for the answers and my reaction was well doh!
Rose twitter? Villager twitter? MAGAt-Meathead twitter is jealous?
Tom Nichols @RadioFreeTom ·49m Also, President low energy guy might notice that Biden has been standing up through this.
He won’t, but hopefully lots of tweets will force him to pretend he stood the whole time
“I was standing, very beautifully, strongly. And George Stephapopolous, who’s a Clinton guy, you know, and he’s very short, very… PA-TEET!, he asked me during a commercial, because I’m very tall, some say I’m taller than Lincoln, I don’t know, but many people, history people, say that, I don’t know and little George, he looks up at me with tears in his his eyes and he says, Sir!, would you mind, for the cameras, if we sat down, and I was very nice, to little cryin’ George Clinton, I said, sure, even though I wanted to stand strongly.”
He actually does have some real relationships with some Republican senators. And it has, at times in his career, paid dividends. And I’m willing to bet he still talks with some of them and may even know some of their opinions held closely due to, well, Cheetolini and his minions. I am not as good and nice a person as Biden is because I would have cut them out of my life. But that’s not Joe. And he does have a point. We do have to try to drag another 10-20% of the Republicans in this country back to sanity in order to begin to function more normally as a country. I would never be able to do this because I despise every one of those mother fuckers but if anyone can, it may be Joe.
@Baud: Being overprepared was Baud!2020!’s fatal mistake.
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Percysowner
@Betty: He does believe that people are basically decent. Sometimes people live up to what is expected of them. I personally don’t think it applies to most Republicans (maybe Romney), but it sets a goal.
Also, Joe isn’t black, so there won’t be the visceral need to “show him his place”.
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JPL
Chris Cuomo is interviewing Price and he’s still hedging on the president’s responsibility to tell folks to wear masks. hahaahhaha
It would be nice if Chris Cuomo would ask about our governor Kemp who won’t mandate mask wearing. Maybe Chris could ask him how he and his wife feel about gays and lesbians.
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SuzieC
@geg6: And also agree. That was his best answer. I really think most Americans want to see the leaders of their country pulling together to solve problems. As much as I would love to see every R dragged out of Washington in disgrace, that is not what the majority of Americans want to see.
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CaseyL
@geg6: That is true, but I wonder who those GOP Senators are with whom he has long-term relationships. Not Cotton, surely; nor McConnell.
Graham? – not anymore. Joe can overlook at lot of things, but not trying to drag his kid through the mud via a manufactured scandal.
I’m trying to think of which GOP Senators are simply corrupt scumbags, rather than traitorous corrupt scumbags, and I’m not coming up with much. Burr? Romney?
Senate Republicans are signaling they are open to cutting deals with Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden if he wins the White House in November.
GOP senators – adding the caveat that they are supportive of President Trump – say there is room for agreement with a Biden administration, particularly on areas like trade or immigration, if they hold on to the Senate majority in November.
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JPL
Can’t believe Cuomo wants Price back on to discuss competing plans.. Price is fine with using antibiotics in cows so they can be crowded together in tight areas. The overuse of antibiotics has caused great concerns among the health community.
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piratedan
the thing is, Biden actually has a chance with some GOP senators for getting perhaps a glimmer of bi-partisanship because he’s a white guy. Do I think it’s likely, no… but if anyone is going to make it plausible for it to happen, Joe’s the guy. He’s gonna give as many GOP folks in the room every opportunity to be rescued from the cliff because he sees that as his duty to do so.
Do I believe he will still get a studiously fair DOJ head, yes I do and I believe he will let them make the call on what needs to be prosecuted, it’s not as if there aren’t a boatload of other items to be fixed. I suspect Biden will trust who he nominates to do a fair job, scrupulously and transparently.
We do have to remember that he’s worked in DC for a long time, in jobs that meant he had to at least appear to be willing to work with the opposite side of the aisle to get anything done. I believe that is his major strength. Otherwise he is what I’d call a pretty regular democrat policy wise. He’s not perfect but then he’s a hell of a lot closer than any republican and about a bazillion hells closer than trump. And no matter if every republican on the ballot gets tossed there are still republicans in federal office.
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Jim, Foolish Literalist
oh fuck, this unemployed sexual-harasser who had to be repeatedly bailed out by the Murdochs and whose ex-wife says she tried to strangle her in front of their kids is the source of the “CNN cheated” thing? I’m sure The Beast will be on it before the clock strikes the next half hour
Bill O’Reilly@BillOReilly· 1h Looks to me that Biden had an idea of what the questions would be, at least areas of questioning.
om Nichols@RadioFreeTom 5m In which Bill has been watching Trump for so long that he cannot comprehend the idea that a normal candidate actually has briefers and does preparation before he walks into an event.
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Jeffro
@Baud: translation (and realizing that this may be an N of 1 or 2 GOP senators at this point in the Republican Party’s spiral into madness): “ Once he is out of office, he has no leverage over us, and we can get back to our usual pontificating and promoting the interests of the 1% Without all that, you know, wacky tweet shit”
@Ruckus: and, as with the House, the new Senators who will hopefully give us the majority, and a whole lot of those who are already there, will have a lot of voters who think “bipartisanship” is a good thing
BillO/Fox/OANN world: “see?! He TOTALLY knew what was on everyone’s minds…and did you notice he had answers for EVERYTHING?!”
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different-church-lady
I could have sworn someone said cake…
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Jim, Foolish Literalist
earlier in the summer I was listening to a lot of satellite radio while doing yard work, and Bill O’Reilly now does ads for supplements, I can’t remember which ones, and I think reverse mortgages. He’s in the mix with Stephanie Miller selling super-beets and those adorable children who sing that marvelous song about donating your car.
I prefer Tom Nichols’s review (I didn’t watch it):
Joe Biden stood on his feet for well over an hour taking questions from normal human beings and answering them like a normal human being. Unlike the president, whose town hall was a fireworks display of sociopathic behavior.— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) September 18, 2020
In which Bill has been watching Trump for so long that he cannot comprehend the idea that a normal candidate actually has briefers and does preparation before he walks into an event. https://t.co/5asMpsGhAS— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) September 18, 2020
Education Secretary Betsy DeVos’s former chief of staff has joined a group of anti-Trump Republicans as an adviser.
Josh Venable, who served as the top aide to DeVos in 2017 and 2018, has joined the Republican Political Alliance for Integrity and Reform (REPAIR), the group announced Thursday.
Venable previously served in the George W. Bush administration and as deputy finance director for the Republican National Committee from 2011-2012.
I thought he did a good job. I watched Trump’s town hall so…ok not that hard to beat that :)
Presidential elections are a choice between two people. You just have to be better than the one other person, not better than everyone who is alive right now.
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HRA
Personally the best example I ever read about Joe Biden crossing the aisle to “chat” with the Republican senators was when President Johnson asked him to do it for the Civil Rights Act.
Joe did mention tonight about the 2 Republican senators talking to him not to quit the Senate after his 1st wife and daughter were killed with the two young sons injured in an accident. That I believe was the beginning of his talking with the Republican senators.
There may be some truth to this, as I’m sure many of the GOP senators from farm states would like trade in soybeans and wheat to resume.
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Johnnybuck
I thought he brought a 2X4 to Donald Trump’s head but YMMV..
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Villago Delenda Est
Semi-related: Die hard Bernie Bro/MAGAt Walker Bragman continues to beat the dead Tara Reade story. Which of course has been thoroughly checked out and found appallingly lacking in veracity, but that doesn’t stop Bernie Bro/MAGAts like Bragman. I’m sure Bragman also believes Juanita Broadrrick and the stories of Elizabeth Warren’s stable of Marine studs.
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jonas
@gwangung: Just like ol’ senile Joe to sneak an entire CNN television studio and audience into his basement. What kind of coastal elitist who pretends to be a regular, working class guy has a 20,000 sq ft. basement like that?
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Kay
Republican Political Alliance for Integrity and Reform (REPAIR)
This name makes me sad. It tries so hard. I feel like it’s destined for failure. The Lincoln Project sounds like a spy novel. Better.
@Kay: An acronym like that always creates a bad first impression for me. I guess I’ve seen so many cases where the group spent more time putting together the acronym than they did on their policies and programs.
Why doesn’t everyone get that? Are there better people? I just see the two. That was my understanding- two finalists, choose one.
We don’t do this with any other contest. “Think about all the people who were never on Jeopardy. Some of them might be smarter than the winner. Might be GREAT at Jeopardy. No one ever talks about them. Why not?”
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Jim, Foolish Literalist
This should be bouncing around twitter like it’s surely bouncing around trump’s belfry.
Charlotte Alter @CharlotteAlter 2h Biden: “Guys like me, the first in my family to go to college… we are as good as anybody else, and guys like Trump, who inherited everything and squandered what they inherited, are the people I’ve always had a problem with”
I think it’s clever of them to go there. Trump is obsessed with status. he made fun of Jeff Sessions’ accent and that Sessions went to a state school. He brags that he went to fancy schools constantly. I’m pleased they recognized it as an opening. I hope the dumbass takes the hook.
@Kay: not just his status, but the idea that he’s a self-made man. It may be the biggest lie he tells himself, and the most important to him
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trnc
@John Revolta: “Defund the Police” is a dumb and confusing slogan and I don’t know how we got stuck with it, We’ve already got a perfectly good word for what we need to do and it wouldn’t make the average person think you’re trying to burn down City Hall.
Reform the Police.
I completely agree. I assume its partly because police reforms have been promised for a long time with mixed success, but re-labeling doesn’t really fix the problem, and labeling it as something that people who don’t have time to dissect it will hate is an unforced error.
@trnc: The people who are pushing the defund the police line are arguing for more than just reforming the institution of policing, they want to reduce the size and scope in which policing operates.
This ultimately means that rather than just having some new rules to try to rein in the worse excesses, that we have fewer police and more social workers, more spending on education, social services and infrastructure. It’s a statement that the idea of police as currently constituted is excessive and unnecessary and needs to go away.
Reform doesn’t really cover it. Reforms have been promised and attempted and done very little over the last 50 years. That language doesn’t work. Defund isn’t great either, it’s reductionist and easy to strawman. But there’s not an easy way to put what needs to happen, what’s being called for, into a three word slogan.
Personally the best example I ever read about Joe Biden crossing the aisle to “chat” with the Republican senators was when President Johnson asked him to do it for the Civil Rights Act.
Joe did mention tonight about the 2 Republican senators talking to him not to quit the Senate after his 1st wife and daughter were killed with the two young sons injured in an accident. That I believe was the beginning of his talking with the Republican senators.
Huh?
The Civil Rights act was passed in 1964 and President Johnson left the presidency in 1968
Joe Biden was first elected to the Senate in 1972
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trnc
@gwangung: NOBODY paid attention when people said “Reform!”
Now that we’ve got your attention…
Somebody with a fair amount of authority DID pay attention and DID do something about it. I find it hard to believe this has gone down the memory hole.
It’s good to see all these ex-staffers etc. speaking out, but I’m not welcoming them too warmly. 1. They had 3.5 fucking years to figure it out. 2. They’re still Rethuglicans. The minute Drump is gone, they’ll be back at their shit.
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trnc
@JPL: Truthfully, I don’t want a president that isn’t prepared to answer questions about the virus, foreign policy, environment, racial inequity, police brutality, etc etc etc.
I regret to inform you that you will never have a place on Chuck Todd’s “Meet The Press.”
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different-church-lady
@Eolirin: You can take all the damn extra money and military toys away and racist cops are still gonna stand on the necks of black people if you don’t reform police culture.
@Kent: Apparently Joe is even older than we thought.
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Eolirin
@trnc: The nature of those reform attempts is exactly why the Defund language is necessary. They’re trying to minimize police violence and the use of police force to oppress minority communities but they don’t even ask the question of whether what police forces are doing makes any sense.
Defunding calls for a reallocation of resources away from police, which in many cases are the wrong tool to solve the social problems we’re tasking them with solving and toward more effective and socially beneficial uses.
There’s still a role for police, but it’s a much smaller one and a much less expensive one.
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catclub
@piratedan: Do I believe he will still get a studiously fair DOJ head, yes I do
Both Barack and Michelle Obama are lawyers
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Morzer
I’m starting to think that Joe Biden ain’t senile or confused in the least:
Biden: “Guys like me, the first in my family to go to college… we are as good as anybody else, and guys like Trump, who inherited everything and squandered what they inherited, are the people I’ve always had a problem with”
@different-church-lady: I’m saying you fire most of them. They’re dead weight anyway. What you need to fill actual crime solving and prevention is reconstituted with a much narrower remit and as new organizations.
Well, the argument that Joe Biden is “not mentally fit,” just got flushed down the toilet. #BidenTownHall— Mrs. Krassenstein (@HKrassenstein) September 18, 2020
@Eolirin: I get it, but a lot of people in Bumper Sticker Nation may not understand that “Defund” really means “redirect and prioritize,” and I’m not sure that major media outlets will explain this very well.
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trnc
@zhena gogolia: Charlotte Alter’s comment under that tweet was pretty awesome, too.
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Eolirin
@trnc: They don’t. Reform is just not a good enough word either. So I’m not sure what would have been better there, and we’re stuck with it now, so we need our politicians to be able to explain it.
Though honestly, this kind of change is probably a multi generational project and it’ll be driven from local communities up, not from a top down set of mandates at the federal level, so Biden should be more focused on the sort of stuff Obama was anyway, and also making sure that larger forces like the NYPD or CPD can’t keep operating as if they’re criminal organizations in their own right.
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Morzer
Dave Wasserman @Redistrict
Watching this town hall, I’m seeing a Biden who’s actually a bit sharper/crisper than he was in the early Dem debates. It’s almost as if he might have been out of *practice* early on, rather than out of it.
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Kent
@NoraLenderbee:It’s good to see all these ex-staffers etc. speaking out, but I’m not welcoming them too warmly. 1. They had 3.5 fucking years to figure it out. 2. They’re still Rethuglicans. The minute Drump is gone, they’ll be back at their shit.
It’s like WW2. We were happy to even partner with Stalin to defeat the Nazis. But come 1946 we were not going to put up with their shit anymore.
I’ll take any help we can get to defeat our current crop of fascists. But they better fucking behave in 2021 or we’re going to have issues.
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Uncle Cosmo
@Villago Delenda Est: O’Liely should be shilling for suppositories – his head spends so much time up his arse he’s intimately acquainted with the territory.
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Uncle Cosmo
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yeah, “self-made man” – in the sense of the closing lines of The Professionals:
J.W. Grant:
You bastard.
Rico:
Yes sir. In my case an accident of birth. But you, you’re a self-made man.
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Morzer
@CharlotteAlter
Biden, in an embarrassing senior moment, recites the divergent biological methods of two possible vaccines (molecular structure versus immune system enhancement) and also details the chemical specifics how they have to be stored and transported.
I don’t think “I won’t work with those treasonous bastards” is a winning strategy. So, when he starts out willing to work and they won’t work with him, it won’t be his fault, it could be theirs, unless the media does its usual both sides mantra.
I guess I’ve seen so many cases where the group spent more time putting together the acronym than they did on their policies and programs.
This is especially so in education.
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Mary G
Carrie Evans is my new heroine! Brava!
An LGBT Pride flag at Minot City Hall caused such uproar the mayor said the council meeting got extra security due to threats. Councilwoman Carrie Evans went off, saying she's "proudly the first openly, elected lesbian in North Dakota" and "this city is big enough for all of us." pic.twitter.com/94svVAJaoV— Lindsey Ellefson (@ellefs0n) September 12, 2020
Yeah, but “Reallocate police funding judiciously to bring about better outcomes” is never going to work as a slogan.
Maybe, but it has a cool acronym.
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A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I know exactly what you mean! I hate that “donate your car to kids” song. I started out disliking it slightly, and as I heard it repeated, grew to loathe it. Now I change the radio channel immediately when it comes on. If I never hear it again it would be too soon.
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Kathleen
@MomSense: That ad was made for Desiree Tims’ campaign. She’s running for Congress in Dayton, Ohio district.
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evodevo
@catclub: They’re too nice…I want a shark in that cabinet position…one who will smell the blood in the water and go after the perps with vigor…
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Baud
Thanks, WG.
WaterGirl
@Baud: You are most welcome! Is there a better link than this?
This doesn’t seem to be the right one. Where is the town hall?
Baud
@WaterGirl: I don’t think your link goes to the town hall.
ETA: CNN is carrying it.
MisterForkbeard
I honestly don’t want to watch this, because I’m sure someone will ask him about what’s-her-name that accused him of rape – now that it’s topical, with Trump being accused again. Or some other such nonsense that I just do not have the flipping patience for.
I will (as always) have to rely on the wisdom and fortitude of the jackals here. Thanks in advance. :)
Baud
Lots of ads.
gwangung
MAGAts will still complain about Biden hiding….
Hildebrand
@MisterForkbeard: I am feeling like this about the debates. I don’t want to watch because listening to Drumpf is painful, but also because I assume the moderators will have the long knives out for Biden.
WaterGirl
@Baud: can you give me a link?
Baud
@WaterGirl: I’m watching on TV. Don’t have a link.
MazeDancer
Fabulous. Simply fabulous job being done by Mr. Biden.
Slaughtering Trump.
Also loved his so being riled about an Ivy League Education not being needed to be President.
MisterForkbeard
@gwangung: If I remember correctly, Rush was whining just this morning about how Biden did a live event. Maybe I can capture the breathlessness and idiocy: “… and dems said he was there before it started but no one had seem him at all and maybe he was hiding again because he’s joe and he’s in the basement and then he showed up and was totally normal so clearly he’s on drugs and a deviant”
MAGAts will MAGAt.
Elie
I dunno — I’m not seeing/hearing any “long knives” for Biden yet. I think he has been pretty uninterrupted in his responses. Doesnt mean they won’t or can’t, just not seeing it. He sounds good to me — in command of issues, not always the crispest but certainly holding his own…
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@MisterForkbeard:
I think these are a pre-screened group of voters. I’d be surprised if someone so deep in twitter madness could pass their screening. I’d be less surprised if some aspiring Tim Russert (stipulating: I think Russert and his legendary “gotcha” questions were both comically overrated) still carrying the Broder Strain (do I even have to say it?) tries to do this later this week.
MazeDancer
@WaterGirl: CNN is a cable channel. Not likely to be linkable.
MisterForkbeard
@Hildebrand: I appreciate that the media does seem to have caught onto the fact that Trump is a giant dumpster fire in every possible way, though they still cover for him. But they really all want to be the one to get in the news for damaging Biden too, and it shows.
False equivalencies abound. The questions over the past few days about “If you say you can’t trust Trump aren’t you saying Americans can’t trust the government and the CDC? Aren’t you a giant hypocrite?” kind of things.
Ohio Mom
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nj.com/tv/2020/09/joe-biden-town-hall-free-live-stream-how-to-watch-online-without-cable.html%3foutputType=amp
cmorenc
IMHO Biden’s response to the question about defunding the police failed to adequately answer it, because he did not adequately make clear that he was for reallocating funding to more effective forms of community policing and services, rather than literally defunding police. “Defunding” per se is NOT popular ouside hard-core progressive elements of the Democratic party, but instead sounds like pure madness, unless you adequately explain how community safety can be more effectively done by changing the emphasis in police funding, not eliminating or defunding police per se.
Biden needs to sharpen and refine his answers to police “defunding” type questions in his upcoming debates with Trump.
Elizabelle
@ WaterGirl: Here’s a link.
https://livenewschat.eu/breaking-news/
With this link, breaking news takes you to CNN (also called “Top Headlines” on bar at the top), and Rockin’ Rooster’s Politics takes you to MSNBC
ETA: Some jackal told me about this online site, a few years ago, and really appreciate it for breaking news and watching the Mary Trump interview, etc.
dmsilev
This link seems to work:
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/joe-biden-cnn-town-hall-09-2020/index.html
There’s a “watch live” video box over on the right side of the page with an actual stream.
Ohio Mom
I don’t know if that is what Watergirl is looking for or not. We don’t have cable so I scrambling.
WaterGirl
@Elizabelle: @dmsilev:
It doesn’t look like I can embed a link.
Baud
This woman is a plant.
Butter Emails
@Baud:
Could you be more specific? Are we talking ficus or magnolia?
Baud
Biden’s literally talking about his policy on shit right now.
Mary G
Hildebrand
@Elie: My concern is more for the debates.
Tonight’s regular voters will most likely ask pointed questions, but won’t lapse into bad faith argumentation.
The debates moderators, on the other hand, straining to create a horserace, will likely be asking inane nonsense.
CaseyL
Elizabelle’s link at Comment #18 works; I’m watching that one now.
Elie
@Hildebrand:
Got it. Still I think his basic Uncle Joe personality will hold him in good stead … He aint perfect and he isnt trying to be — but he is real and honest and putting it out there.. These days, that by itself is a powerful statement
Baud
It’s over.
WaterGirl
@Baud: How was it?
CaseyL
Oy – I missed most of it. Just tuned in in time to hear the last few questions.
Apparently, Biden called on Trump to resign because of his inaction on Covid 19? Good golly.
Mary G
Baud
@WaterGirl:
It was ok. Joe had some good moments but it wasn’t his best night. The decency contrast is remarkable. And Joe is pretty knowledgeable about a range of subjects.
WaterGirl
@Mary G: Someone has a sense of humor!
WaterGirl
@Baud: Did he really say Trump should resign? Everyone should be saying it.
Baud
@CaseyL:
I missed that. Good. Stay on offense.
John Revolta
@cmorenc: “Defund the Police” is a dumb and confusing slogan and I don’t know how we got stuck with it, We’ve already got a perfectly good word for what we need to do and it wouldn’t make the average person think you’re trying to burn down City Hall.
Reform the Police.
JPL
@Baud: The one who wants to pollute our water?
I didn’t agree with him about not questioning motive. I think it’s important to find out why the current president wants to poison states with Democratic governors.
I
Mary Ellen Sandahl
@Hildebrand:
Well, at least there won’t be a clutch of them at each debate striving to outdo each other, as there’ll be only one moderator per debate. Chris Wallace for the first, C-SPAN’S Chris Scully at the second, and NBC’s Kristen Welker the third. From here.
MazeDancer
@Elizabelle: Didn’t know that Rockin Rooster linked to CNN live. Used that site many times in emergencies over the years for MSNBC.
Also MSNBC has live audio feed from their website.
Baud
@JPL:
He said you can question people’s judgment.
Elie
@Baud:
I agree totally. He was good but not as crisp as other recent — still 150% better than the orange and he didn’t show any new vulnerabilities…
Must be so tiring ! Hope his team is taking good care of him. I dunno if I could haul that wagon he has. I pray for him (and us) every day and night..
John Revolta
@Baud: I hope she leaves.
Betty
I remain concerned that Joe keeps insisting that once Trump is gone, he can work with Republicans as if he doesn’t remember all the obstruction Obama faced.
Baud
@Betty:
Our marginal voters aren’t fighters. They want to cling to hope that things will get done.
JPL
@cmorenc: It was not a perfect answer but it was okay.. imo from CNN
As president, Biden said he would bring together a coalition of police chiefs, officers, unions and communities of color to “sit at the table and agree on the fundamental things that need to be done, including much more rigorous back ground checks that apply for and become police officers.”
Omnes Omnibus
@Betty: JFC, he isn’t speaking to us. The people he needs to get or shore up are the kind of people who like to hear that sort of shit.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
gwangung
@John Revolta: NOBODY paid attention when people said “Reform!”
Now that we’ve got your attention…
Baud
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: That was a good moment.
Mary G
WaterGirl
@JPL: I don’t believe that for a second – if the majority were good cops, they wouldn’t stand silent when black people are being murdered.
However, I don’t think Joe can say that and still get elected.
Betty
@Omnes Omnibus: He seems to believe it. That’s the concern.
Elie
@Betty:
Girl, you are in the microflora. There is plenty of room to manipulate that over time. Don’t get hung up on that. Hell, we are probably gonna spend the first 6 months at the barricades making sure we have fair election results — not trying to talk to the opposition! We will be lucky to get to your more sophisticated concerns for a while.
JPL
@Baud: Twitter is saying that he seemed prepared for the answers and my reaction was well doh! He was asked about everything we have been talking about, and i want a president who is prepared to answer those questions.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Betty: the way to keep Biden from having to make concessions to Republicans is to get Democrats the Senate majority. And there will still be things they do that we don’t like, because Mark Kelly and Theresa Greenfield and Steve Bullock (assuming we’re lucky) will probably want to be re-elected. And if we’re very lucky, I think a lot of people like the people who post and comment on this blog are going to get very angry at Angus King over the next few years.
And IMHO that troublesome Senate majority that we’ll be lucky to have will be far less conservative and far less obnoxious than the one Barack Obama and Harry Reid had to deal with.
Omnes Omnibus
@Betty: Fuck it, have fun worrying about him being less than perfect.
glory b
Just out, a federal judge has enjoined the post office from continuing its tactics delaying the mail.
raven
concern troll
Baud
@JPL:
He wasn’t overprepared, though, which is key.
trollhattan
Back from a ride in green-zone air. You can see downtown. Nice change.
Who wouldn’t enjoy this local headline?
NB Florida not mentioned even once.
JPL
@WaterGirl: He did offer this though
As president, Biden said he would bring together a coalition of police chiefs, officers, unions and communities of color to “sit at the table and agree on the fundamental things that need to be done, including much more rigorous back ground checks that apply for and become police officers.”
WaterGirl
JPL
@Baud: Truthfully, I don’t want a president that isn’t prepared to answer questions about the virus, foreign policy, environment, racial inequity, police brutality, etc etc etc. We already have that which has caused many of us to loose sleep.
Professor Bigfoot
@Betty: THAT is what kept me from being a Bidenite at the beginning of the primaries.
But I don’t think Joe’s so stupid as to think these treasonous bastards can be worked with, much less trusted.
JPL
Earlier trump tweeted about Chris Wray’s answer about election interference and is concerned about Wray’s comment about Russia, Russia, Russia. I came close to commenting Marsha, Marsha, Marsha can you please stop tweeting about Russia, Russia, Russia. It’s so immature.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Rose twitter? Villager twitter? MAGAt-Meathead twitter is jealous?
He won’t, but hopefully lots of tweets will force him to pretend he stood the whole time
“I was standing, very beautifully, strongly. And George Stephapopolous, who’s a Clinton guy, you know, and he’s very short, very… PA-TEET!, he asked me during a commercial, because I’m very tall, some say I’m taller than Lincoln, I don’t know, but many people, history people, say that, I don’t know and little George, he looks up at me with tears in his his eyes and he says, Sir!, would you mind, for the cameras, if we sat down, and I was very nice, to little cryin’ George Clinton, I said, sure, even though I wanted to stand strongly.”
geg6
@Betty:
He actually does have some real relationships with some Republican senators. And it has, at times in his career, paid dividends. And I’m willing to bet he still talks with some of them and may even know some of their opinions held closely due to, well, Cheetolini and his minions. I am not as good and nice a person as Biden is because I would have cut them out of my life. But that’s not Joe. And he does have a point. We do have to try to drag another 10-20% of the Republicans in this country back to sanity in order to begin to function more normally as a country. I would never be able to do this because I despise every one of those mother fuckers but if anyone can, it may be Joe.
SuzieC
@cmorenc: Agree 100%. That was his worst answer.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Being overprepared was Baud!2020!’s fatal mistake.
Percysowner
@Betty: He does believe that people are basically decent. Sometimes people live up to what is expected of them. I personally don’t think it applies to most Republicans (maybe Romney), but it sets a goal.
Also, Joe isn’t black, so there won’t be the visceral need to “show him his place”.
JPL
Chris Cuomo is interviewing Price and he’s still hedging on the president’s responsibility to tell folks to wear masks. hahaahhaha
It would be nice if Chris Cuomo would ask about our governor Kemp who won’t mandate mask wearing. Maybe Chris could ask him how he and his wife feel about gays and lesbians.
SuzieC
@geg6: And also agree. That was his best answer. I really think most Americans want to see the leaders of their country pulling together to solve problems. As much as I would love to see every R dragged out of Washington in disgrace, that is not what the majority of Americans want to see.
CaseyL
@geg6: That is true, but I wonder who those GOP Senators are with whom he has long-term relationships. Not Cotton, surely; nor McConnell.
Graham? – not anymore. Joe can overlook at lot of things, but not trying to drag his kid through the mud via a manufactured scandal.
I’m trying to think of which GOP Senators are simply corrupt scumbags, rather than traitorous corrupt scumbags, and I’m not coming up with much. Burr? Romney?
Mary G
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WaterGirl
@CaseyL: Sometimes Joe says he will work with any R senators who want to work with him. Which may well be a subset of absolutely zero.
Baud
@CaseyL:
The Hill story Biden mentioned.
JPL
Can’t believe Cuomo wants Price back on to discuss competing plans.. Price is fine with using antibiotics in cows so they can be crowded together in tight areas. The overuse of antibiotics has caused great concerns among the health community.
piratedan
the thing is, Biden actually has a chance with some GOP senators for getting perhaps a glimmer of bi-partisanship because he’s a white guy. Do I think it’s likely, no… but if anyone is going to make it plausible for it to happen, Joe’s the guy. He’s gonna give as many GOP folks in the room every opportunity to be rescued from the cliff because he sees that as his duty to do so.
Do I believe he will still get a studiously fair DOJ head, yes I do and I believe he will let them make the call on what needs to be prosecuted, it’s not as if there aren’t a boatload of other items to be fixed. I suspect Biden will trust who he nominates to do a fair job, scrupulously and transparently.
Ruckus
@geg6:
We do have to remember that he’s worked in DC for a long time, in jobs that meant he had to at least appear to be willing to work with the opposite side of the aisle to get anything done. I believe that is his major strength. Otherwise he is what I’d call a pretty regular democrat policy wise. He’s not perfect but then he’s a hell of a lot closer than any republican and about a bazillion hells closer than trump. And no matter if every republican on the ballot gets tossed there are still republicans in federal office.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
oh fuck, this unemployed sexual-harasser who had to be repeatedly bailed out by the Murdochs and whose ex-wife says she tried to strangle her in front of their kids is the source of the “CNN cheated” thing? I’m sure The Beast will be on it before the clock strikes the next half hour
Jeffro
@Baud: translation (and realizing that this may be an N of 1 or 2 GOP senators at this point in the Republican Party’s spiral into madness): “ Once he is out of office, he has no leverage over us, and we can get back to our usual pontificating and promoting the interests of the 1% Without all that, you know, wacky tweet shit”
JPL
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: ha Radio Free Tom’s answer was great.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Ruckus: and, as with the House, the new Senators who will hopefully give us the majority, and a whole lot of those who are already there, will have a lot of voters who think “bipartisanship” is a good thing
Jeffro
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: love it!
normal world: “Biden was pretty well prepared”
BillO/Fox/OANN world: “see?! He TOTALLY knew what was on everyone’s minds…and did you notice he had answers for EVERYTHING?!”
different-church-lady
I could have sworn someone said cake…
Jim, Foolish Literalist
earlier in the summer I was listening to a lot of satellite radio while doing yard work, and Bill O’Reilly now does ads for supplements, I can’t remember which ones, and I think reverse mortgages. He’s in the mix with Stephanie Miller selling super-beets and those adorable children who sing that marvelous song about donating your car.
different-church-lady
@John Revolta:
Same way we almost got stuck with Bernie: Twitter’s dumbest leftists.
zhena gogolia
@Baud:
I prefer Tom Nichols’s review (I didn’t watch it):
zhena gogolia
@JPL:
Gin & Tonic
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Not this George Clinton?
Kay
Another one:
John Revolta
@different-church-lady: Yeah, that’s about what I figured.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@different-church-lady: Cake?
Kay
I thought he did a good job. I watched Trump’s town hall so…ok not that hard to beat that :)
Presidential elections are a choice between two people. You just have to be better than the one other person, not better than everyone who is alive right now.
HRA
Personally the best example I ever read about Joe Biden crossing the aisle to “chat” with the Republican senators was when President Johnson asked him to do it for the Civil Rights Act.
Joe did mention tonight about the 2 Republican senators talking to him not to quit the Senate after his 1st wife and daughter were killed with the two young sons injured in an accident. That I believe was the beginning of his talking with the Republican senators.
Ken
There may be some truth to this, as I’m sure many of the GOP senators from farm states would like trade in soybeans and wheat to resume.
Johnnybuck
I thought he brought a 2X4 to Donald Trump’s head but YMMV..
Villago Delenda Est
Semi-related: Die hard Bernie Bro/MAGAt Walker Bragman continues to beat the dead Tara Reade story. Which of course has been thoroughly checked out and found appallingly lacking in veracity, but that doesn’t stop Bernie Bro/MAGAts like Bragman. I’m sure Bragman also believes Juanita Broadrrick and the stories of Elizabeth Warren’s stable of Marine studs.
jonas
@gwangung: Just like ol’ senile Joe to sneak an entire CNN television studio and audience into his basement. What kind of coastal elitist who pretends to be a regular, working class guy has a 20,000 sq ft. basement like that?
Kay
This name makes me sad. It tries so hard. I feel like it’s destined for failure. The Lincoln Project sounds like a spy novel. Better.
Villago Delenda Est
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: O’Reilly is such a megaputz.
MomSense
This video is so good!!! Share it with all the youngs, especially the ones who like hip hop/rap.
Unilad sound https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wMALeR1i-FM
zhena gogolia
@Kay:
Haha, are you really a Democrat?
Ken
@Kay: An acronym like that always creates a bad first impression for me. I guess I’ve seen so many cases where the group spent more time putting together the acronym than they did on their policies and programs.
mrmoshpotato
@Kay:
They should’ve gone with the old, but still accurate Committee to RE-Elect the President.
mrmoshpotato
@Villago Delenda Est: Haha, eternally true.
Sidenote – Did BiilO slap the O’Reilly Auto Parts singers on the ass at the end of the jingle?
Kay
@zhena gogolia:
Why doesn’t everyone get that? Are there better people? I just see the two. That was my understanding- two finalists, choose one.
We don’t do this with any other contest. “Think about all the people who were never on Jeopardy. Some of them might be smarter than the winner. Might be GREAT at Jeopardy. No one ever talks about them. Why not?”
Jim, Foolish Literalist
This should be bouncing around twitter like it’s surely bouncing around trump’s belfry.
Kay
@Ken:
I’m terrified for him. The DeVos family is vast and much richer and more vindictive than the Trumps.
He needs to be in witness protection. Jesus. Eric Prince.
Kay
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I think it’s clever of them to go there. Trump is obsessed with status. he made fun of Jeff Sessions’ accent and that Sessions went to a state school. He brags that he went to fancy schools constantly. I’m pleased they recognized it as an opening. I hope the dumbass takes the hook.
mrmoshpotato
@Kay:
Terrified for whom?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Kay: not just his status, but the idea that he’s a self-made man. It may be the biggest lie he tells himself, and the most important to him
trnc
I completely agree. I assume its partly because police reforms have been promised for a long time with mixed success, but re-labeling doesn’t really fix the problem, and labeling it as something that people who don’t have time to dissect it will hate is an unforced error.
Omnes Omnibus
@trnc: There is a point where you have to take what’s on offer and work with it. Defund is what we got. We’re not going to make fetch happen.
Eolirin
@trnc: The people who are pushing the defund the police line are arguing for more than just reforming the institution of policing, they want to reduce the size and scope in which policing operates.
This ultimately means that rather than just having some new rules to try to rein in the worse excesses, that we have fewer police and more social workers, more spending on education, social services and infrastructure. It’s a statement that the idea of police as currently constituted is excessive and unnecessary and needs to go away.
Reform doesn’t really cover it. Reforms have been promised and attempted and done very little over the last 50 years. That language doesn’t work. Defund isn’t great either, it’s reductionist and easy to strawman. But there’s not an easy way to put what needs to happen, what’s being called for, into a three word slogan.
Kent
Huh?
The Civil Rights act was passed in 1964 and President Johnson left the presidency in 1968
Joe Biden was first elected to the Senate in 1972
trnc
Somebody with a fair amount of authority DID pay attention and DID do something about it. I find it hard to believe this has gone down the memory hole.
https://www.statesman.com/news/20200619/fact-check-did-obama-and-biden-lsquonever-evenrsquo-try-to-do-police-reform
patrick II
@Kent:
Joe borrowed Obama’s time machine.
NoraLenderbee
It’s good to see all these ex-staffers etc. speaking out, but I’m not welcoming them too warmly. 1. They had 3.5 fucking years to figure it out. 2. They’re still Rethuglicans. The minute Drump is gone, they’ll be back at their shit.
trnc
I regret to inform you that you will never have a place on Chuck Todd’s “Meet The Press.”
different-church-lady
@Eolirin: You can take all the damn extra money and military toys away and racist cops are still gonna stand on the necks of black people if you don’t reform police culture.
different-church-lady
@trnc: You say that like it’s a bad thing.
different-church-lady
@Kent: Apparently Joe is even older than we thought.
Eolirin
@trnc: The nature of those reform attempts is exactly why the Defund language is necessary. They’re trying to minimize police violence and the use of police force to oppress minority communities but they don’t even ask the question of whether what police forces are doing makes any sense.
Defunding calls for a reallocation of resources away from police, which in many cases are the wrong tool to solve the social problems we’re tasking them with solving and toward more effective and socially beneficial uses.
There’s still a role for police, but it’s a much smaller one and a much less expensive one.
catclub
Both Barack and Michelle Obama are lawyers
Morzer
I’m starting to think that Joe Biden ain’t senile or confused in the least:
https://twitter.com/CharlotteAlter/status/1306755051600465930
catclub
@different-church-lady: yeah, it was President Johnson in in 1867
emrys
@Eolirin: Reform the police. Transform policing.
Eolirin
@different-church-lady: I’m saying you fire most of them. They’re dead weight anyway. What you need to fill actual crime solving and prevention is reconstituted with a much narrower remit and as new organizations.
trnc
@different-church-lady: I probably need to start using the snark tag.
Patricia Kayden
Patricia Kayden
Omnes Omnibus
@catclub: So are a lot of people.
trnc
@Eolirin: I get it, but a lot of people in Bumper Sticker Nation may not understand that “Defund” really means “redirect and prioritize,” and I’m not sure that major media outlets will explain this very well.
trnc
@zhena gogolia: Charlotte Alter’s comment under that tweet was pretty awesome, too.
Eolirin
@trnc: They don’t. Reform is just not a good enough word either. So I’m not sure what would have been better there, and we’re stuck with it now, so we need our politicians to be able to explain it.
Though honestly, this kind of change is probably a multi generational project and it’ll be driven from local communities up, not from a top down set of mandates at the federal level, so Biden should be more focused on the sort of stuff Obama was anyway, and also making sure that larger forces like the NYPD or CPD can’t keep operating as if they’re criminal organizations in their own right.
Morzer
Kent
It’s like WW2. We were happy to even partner with Stalin to defeat the Nazis. But come 1946 we were not going to put up with their shit anymore.
I’ll take any help we can get to defeat our current crop of fascists. But they better fucking behave in 2021 or we’re going to have issues.
Uncle Cosmo
@Villago Delenda Est: O’Liely should be shilling for suppositories – his head spends so much time up his arse he’s intimately acquainted with the territory.
Uncle Cosmo
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yeah, “self-made man” – in the sense of the closing lines of The Professionals:
Morzer
@CharlotteAlter
Mike in NC
@Uncle Cosmo: One of the greatest Westerns ever.
Mary G
“Cuomo didn’t pound the phones hard enough to get PPE for his state…His people are going to suffer and that’s their problem.”
patrick II
@Professor Bigfoot:
I don’t think “I won’t work with those treasonous bastards” is a winning strategy. So, when he starts out willing to work and they won’t work with him, it won’t be his fault, it could be theirs, unless the media does its usual both sides mantra.
James E Powell
@JPL:
Donna Brazile again!
HRA
@Kent: That will teach me to rely on my own search from now on instead of taking other people’s words. Sorry for the error.
burnspbesq
@MazeDancer:
Even if Joe wins, I will still maintain that Lou Reed is Syracuse’s most distinguished alum.
James E Powell
@Ken:
This is especially so in education.
Mary G
Carrie Evans is my new heroine! Brava!
burnspbesq
@gwangung:
And given Republican an open invitation to distort and demagogue.
”Defund the police” is an own goal, and it will never be anything but an own goal.
Morzer
@burnspbesq: One can get a bull’s attention by waving a red rag. Not sure that the consequences are particularly desirable though.
Amir Khalid
@burnspbesq:
Yeah, but “Reallocate police funding judiciously to bring about better outcomes” is never going to work as a slogan.
SFAW
@Kent:
Obama let Joe borrow his time machine, obviously.
SFAW
@burnspbesq:
Jim Brown. And you a lacrosse player! (If my memory is correct.)
SFAW
@Amir Khalid:
Maybe, but it has a cool acronym.
A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I know exactly what you mean! I hate that “donate your car to kids” song. I started out disliking it slightly, and as I heard it repeated, grew to loathe it. Now I change the radio channel immediately when it comes on. If I never hear it again it would be too soon.
Kathleen
@MomSense: That ad was made for Desiree Tims’ campaign. She’s running for Congress in Dayton, Ohio district.
evodevo
@catclub: They’re too nice…I want a shark in that cabinet position…one who will smell the blood in the water and go after the perps with vigor…