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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / Trump Crime Cartel Open Thread: Sarah Cooper Fans Rejoice – TikTok Is *SAVED!*

Trump Crime Cartel Open Thread: Sarah Cooper Fans Rejoice – TikTok Is *SAVED!*

by Anne Laurie|  September 19, 20208:45 pm| 234 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Open Threads, Republican Venality, Tech News and Issues, Trump Crime Cartel

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BREAKING: Trump admin delays implementation of Tiktok curbs by a week, Commerce Dept says.

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) September 19, 2020

TRUMP wants the $5 billion from the Tiktok Global deal to pay for "patriotic education" via his envisioned "1776 Commission."

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) September 19, 2020

Repubs have been putting the ‘less’ in ‘shameless’ any time these past fifty years, but you’d think this kind of blatant ‘Anything you want, as long as I get a little taste in return’ would at least prompt some *token* pretense at embarrassment…

Every single GOP legislator is now a wholly-owned subsidiary of Trump Crime Cartel, Inc.

Wow, China just seized a US company's local assets in China, gave it to a senior party official, and the whole thing was done in exchange for a $5bn bribe to a charity associated with the party apparatus.

Oh wait, no, got America and China confused in that sentence right there

— Pwn All The Things (@pwnallthethings) September 20, 2020


"Comrades, we will dedicate the resources of our national income to combat the bourgeois falsifiers who wish to stain our patriotic history and poison the education of our people with their deviationist and anti-Party lies." https://t.co/hTZr5VqMNs

— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) September 20, 2020

JUST IN: Trump approves new concept deal for TikTok that would see Oracle and Walmart as partners.

The latest: https://t.co/e2Wq9j7XtZ pic.twitter.com/svDfQ1jm5P

— Complex (@Complex) September 19, 2020

Again, why is everyone not GOING CRAZY over the fact that we had to literally wait for *THE PRESIDENT* to give a thumbs up or thumbs down to a biz deal that *he forced* and which was dumped a huge contract on a big donor? https://t.co/dlYQOwZfW9

— Mike Masnick (@mmasnick) September 19, 2020

going to be telling to see which prominent pro-Trump China hawks endorse this https://t.co/ZMI7uoet6V

— James Palmer (@BeijingPalmer) September 19, 2020

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  1. 1.

    LuciaMia

    September 19, 2020 at 8:53 pm

    patriotic education

    Patriotic Education, eh? Are we gonna go back to the old “George Washington chopped down the cherry tree” fairy tales and chanting “In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue”?

  2. 2.

    debbie

    September 19, 2020 at 8:55 pm

    Interesting that Trump’s audience behind him is all masked up.

  3. 3.

    NotMax

    September 19, 2020 at 8:55 pm

    Thanks you for shopping at Toys Extortion “R” Us.

    //

  4. 4.

    mrmoshpotato

    September 19, 2020 at 8:58 pm

    So the Soviet shitpile mobster conman wants to teach real ‘Murican history?

    Sure Jan.

  5. 5.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 19, 2020 at 8:59 pm

    Holy shit. Trump says that as a condition of TikTok’s sale, he tried to shake down Oracle to put $5 billion into a fund “so we can educate people as to the real history of our country — the real history, not the fake.”

    this is so corrupt and so cheesily jingoistic and so comic-book authoritarian and…. I wonder if this is something Biden could quietly dismantle, or redirect to the Smithsonian and National Parks or historic trust or something.

    whenever he goes on about ‘our history’ I think of all the things I was told about forty-five years ago, by our very nice and respectable fifth grade teacher at Leafy Suburb Elementary outside of Chicago, who taught us Greek mythology and had made an early start on science education her life’s mission, and when we were all watching Roots and talking about it and she told us we should remember that most slaves were very well treated, cruelty like we saw on TV was very rare, and many immigrant factory workers in the North were treated much worse.

  6. 6.

    Baud

    September 19, 2020 at 9:00 pm

    There are no good people in this story.

  7. 7.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 19, 2020 at 9:01 pm

    @debbie: at a recent rally the report was the people on stage were all told to mask up right before he came one, for the cameras

    ETA: Remember Solyndra and picking winners and losers?

  8. 8.

    raven

    September 19, 2020 at 9:02 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: West, Northwest, North?

  9. 9.

    MazeDancer

    September 19, 2020 at 9:03 pm

    It is 24 hours since this benchmark was clocked at ActBlue at $6,438,559,113

    It is now at approximately $6,519,700,000

    Yes, $81 million raised in just 24 hours.

    Watching the ticker click at more than 1K a second is most encouraging,

  10. 10.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 19, 2020 at 9:04 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: My leafy suburb elementary school didn’t do that, but we did go to Graue Mill.

  11. 11.

    Ken

    September 19, 2020 at 9:04 pm

    going to be telling to see which prominent pro-Trump China hawks endorse this

    All of them, Jimmy.  “Pro-Trump” overrides all principles, leaving nothing in its wake.

  12. 12.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    September 19, 2020 at 9:04 pm

    I have genuinely come to despise this country, the white supremacism and greed it worships and it’s undeserved, unearned sense of entitlement.

    I find myself wishing there was a foreign power I could sell it out to, seeing as how many of our “betters” have been making far stacks of cash doing it already.

  13. 13.

    Another Scott

    September 19, 2020 at 9:05 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: It’ll probably be like him saving those Carrier jobs, and the “$150B” that the drug companies were going to rebate everyone under Donnie’s grand scheme.

    https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/09/lets-set-things-straight-on-that-trump-pharma-deal/

    Here’s the deal. The Times doesn’t mention this, but that $150 billion is over ten years. I don’t know precisely how that would be structured, but payouts like this are almost always back loaded. It would probably look something like this:

    [ graphic ]

    And keep in mind that this is merely a vague promise. In real life, the pharma industry would almost certainly find a way to delay and complicate things so that they’d end up spending far less than that.

    ByteDance and Oracle and the Waltons aren’t going to be paying anyone $5B. He thinks he’s some grand wizard deal maker, but he’s just a desperate, stupid, narcissistic old man and everyone knows it.

    By Tuesday this will be forgotten and there will be some other shiny object for him to crow about.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  14. 14.

    raven

    September 19, 2020 at 9:06 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Ever go to Peabody’s Tomb? My dad and his second wife and I had their wedding dinner at Graue Mill.

  15. 15.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    September 19, 2020 at 9:06 pm

    @LuciaMia: Guessing that shitstain David Barton gets the lions share.

  16. 16.

    Ken

    September 19, 2020 at 9:07 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I wonder if this is something Biden could quietly dismantle

    Dismantle?  I’m hoping he shakes down Ellison for another $10 billion, or the deal is off.

  17. 17.

    Benw

    September 19, 2020 at 9:07 pm

    This is fine you guys. Totally normal President

  18. 18.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 19, 2020 at 9:08 pm

    Safra Catz, the CEO and co-president of Oracle, is an Israeli born, raised in the US naturalized American. She is considered to be an Israeli intelligence asset, specifically one of Bibi’s personal catspaws. She was on the President’s transition team. She is close to the Ledeens. Michael Ledeen is the co-author of LTG (ret) Flynn’s book and a mentor to Ezra Cohen-Watnick. Leeden’s psycho daughter is currently an Assistant Secretary of Defense.  Catz is also a mentor and major benefactor of Cohen-Watnick’s. When LTG (ret) McMaster was finally able to fire him from the position he was unqualified for on the National Security Staff, Catz gave him a mid 6 figure executive position as her senior advisor for which he was also unqualified. Cohen-Watnick is currently the official performing the duties of the Acting Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations and Low Intensity Conflict, which he is EXCEEDINGLY unqualified for as he 1) has no administrative experience and 2) no experience working with the Special Operations community.

    If Oracle buys Tik-Tok, the Israeli NSO Group developed and owned, but exclusively licensed to the UAE with Saudi paying for the licensing, Pegasus spyware will be on every Tik Tok users devices within a week. There is nothing funny here. This isn’t a win for anyone. The security of Americans and every other person who uses Tik Tok is at stake here. What do you think Bibi, Mohammed bin Salman, Mohammed bin Zayed, and Jared are going to do with all that data? What do you think the President will do with the data of interest to Xi? What do you think the President would trade that data to Xi for?

  19. 19.

    PsiFighter37

    September 19, 2020 at 9:09 pm

    Can’t wait to hear all those free-market invisible handjobbers telling us that this is what Adam Smith meant.

  20. 20.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 19, 2020 at 9:09 pm

    @raven: Peabody’s Tomb?  Nope.  We took a bus to Graue Mill, ground some corn and got to bring “our” corn flour home and make corn bread with it.  IIRC we also made beef stew.

  21. 21.

    raven

    September 19, 2020 at 9:10 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    “in August 27, 1922 the legend of Peabody’s Tomb began.  Many people may not know the legend by name but if you grew up on the west side of Chicago or in the near west suburbs you might have heard about the old mansion and estate that high school kids would sneak into late at night.  The story was always the same.  A group of adventurous kids would sneak onto the property in an effort to locate the final resting place of a rich old guy who was buried on the property.  Some say that the old guy was buried with his gold.  Others say that if you find the chapel that housed his body you would see the guy in a see-through casket floating in oil.  The trick was you had to avoid the “monks” who were patrolling the estate looking for trespassers.  If the monks caught you, you would be given the choice of having the police called and being arrested for trespassing or you could kneel on rice or broomsticks while saying prayers for forgiveness until the monks released you.

    The legendary estate did and still does exist as the Mayslake Peabody Estate and the “old rich guy” refers to Chicago coal baron, Francis Stuyvesant Peabody.”

  22. 22.

    chopper

    September 19, 2020 at 9:11 pm

    i mean it’s not like this stupid curriculum is going to actually happen. as with all things related to trump, all that money is going to disappear into fat air.

  23. 23.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 19, 2020 at 9:12 pm

    @raven: I think I was too far west for that.

  24. 24.

    LeftCoastYankee

    September 19, 2020 at 9:13 pm

    Oracle?

    That’ll kill it off for sure.

  25. 25.

    raven

    September 19, 2020 at 9:16 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Peabody’s Tomb is three miles from Graue Mill. So if you were further west you must have gone to the In Between Store in Wheaton and Cantigny?

  26. 26.

    zhena gogolia

    September 19, 2020 at 9:16 pm

    For those who were wondering:

    Under no circumstances should a nomination go forward in the United States Senate. Our full statement: pic.twitter.com/OP9qhP4IeS— The Lincoln Project (@ProjectLincoln) September 19, 2020

  27. 27.

    zhena gogolia

    September 19, 2020 at 9:18 pm

    And thread:

    Panic is an unbecoming quality. People, mostly, don’t drown because they can’t swim, they drown because they panic. RBG was steady calm, steely and resolved. There is much panic on social media about the political consequences of Justice Ginsberg’s passing. Much of it supposes 1— Steve Schmidt (@SteveSchmidtSES) September 20, 2020

  28. 28.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    September 19, 2020 at 9:18 pm

    I’m old enough to remember when the liburel media went ape shit because Hillary met with some donors to the Clinton Foundation. Not because she extorted $5,000,000,000 dollars.

    liburel media bias, indeed

  29. 29.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 19, 2020 at 9:18 pm

    @raven: You’ve got to remember that I moved from there when I was 11.

  30. 30.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 9:18 pm

    Holy fuck.  This cannot possibly be legal.

  31. 31.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 19, 2020 at 9:19 pm

    @zhena gogolia: From the man who thought that Howard Schultz should and would be the next president of the United States.

  32. 32.

    zhena gogolia

    September 19, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    P.S. Y'all mfers in the Senate GOP caucus bought the ticket.Our team is working feverishly tonight because you're about to take the goddamn ride.— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) September 20, 2020

  33. 33.

    zhena gogolia

    September 19, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I don’t care. I welcome all allies.

  34. 34.

    zhena gogolia

    September 19, 2020 at 9:21 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    All I’m saying is, people who were wondering if the LP was going to stay silent about RBG — they aren’t.

  35. 35.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 19, 2020 at 9:22 pm

    @zhena gogolia: I have had prior dealings with Schmidt. I cannot discuss them because of the NDA.

  36. 36.

    raven

    September 19, 2020 at 9:22 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: It’s funny, the “Little Popcorn Store” is what it is called now and on their website they don’t mention “The In-Between Store” but they have a picture of it!

  37. 37.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    September 19, 2020 at 9:27 pm

    The next time there’s a bank merger and Dems require a 5 billion “donation” to receive approval the republicans and the corporate media will applaud – amirite.

  38. 38.

    debbie

    September 19, 2020 at 9:27 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    When we are done there will be no illusions about Lindsey Graham.

    Well, that sounds more than a little omminus.

  39. 39.

    Old Dan and Little Ann

    September 19, 2020 at 9:29 pm

    Last night my sister told me to go fuck myself because I disagreed with her. Today a mother of a friend deleted a response I wrote to her and then unfriended me on the book of faces.  I wasn’t rude to either of them.  Oh well.

  40. 40.

    Quiltingfool

    September 19, 2020 at 9:32 pm

    @raven:  Peabody Coal Company? I think those are the bastards that strip mined coal in west-central Missouri (my dad’s family is from around there). There are still nasty looking open pits from well over 70 years ago. Assholes.

  41. 41.

    Quiltingfool

    September 19, 2020 at 9:34 pm

    @chopper:  I wrote a screed about that on the post below. He isn’t gonna give up that cash.

  42. 42.

    MagdaInBlack

    September 19, 2020 at 9:35 pm

    @raven: 
    .. of Mr Peabodys coal train that took it away…ala Mr Prine. But you knew this =-)

  43. 43.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 9:36 pm

    @Old Dan and Little Ann:  “May you live in interesting times.”

    Yes, we certainly do.

    Sorry about your sister.  I believe my brother-in-law has stopped speaking to me.

  44. 44.

    lamh36

    September 19, 2020 at 9:37 pm

    Lol…Joe Biden’s social media team are on FIYAH!

     

    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1307491919384260609?s=20

  45. 45.

    raven

    September 19, 2020 at 9:37 pm

    @MagdaInBlack: Another west Chicago Suburb Guy! And, of course, UGA is the home of the Peabody Awards!

  46. 46.

    PsiFighter37

    September 19, 2020 at 9:39 pm

    @zhena gogolia: Wait to see if they deliver product that matches the big talk.

    If they can kick out Lady G from South Carolina, then I might give them some credit.

  47. 47.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 19, 2020 at 9:39 pm

    @WaterGirl: I think I have come close to saying things to a few people on this site over the past 25 hours that would have lead to permanent estrangement.  I have deleted a lot of comments before I sent them.

  48. 48.

    lamh36

    September 19, 2020 at 9:41 pm

    Someone on my twitter TL mentioned the movie Equilibrium starring Christian Bale and Taye Diggs

    I don’t recall how or why I saw Equlibrium, but mahn it was such a good movie. If you liek the Matrix in it’s day you will LOVE Equilibrium. Which I believe came out or was shot BEFORE the original Matrix movie, but somehow got lost in the shuffle!

     

    https://twitter.com/Sturbinator/status/1307493741771530242?s=20

  49. 49.

    mad citizen

    September 19, 2020 at 9:42 pm

    @WaterGirl: First words that came to me are : This is naked corruption.  Unbelievable.

  50. 50.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    September 19, 2020 at 9:42 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    There is nothing funny here. This isn’t a win for anyone. The security of Americans and every other person who uses Tik Tok is at stake here. What do you think Bibi, Mohammed bin Salman, Mohammed bin Zayed, and Jared are going to do with all that data? What do you think the President will do with the data of interest to Xi? What do you think the President would trade that data to Xi for?

    Ok. So what do you recommend be done about it?

  51. 51.

    Baud

    September 19, 2020 at 9:43 pm

    @lamh36:

    ?

  52. 52.

    raven

    September 19, 2020 at 9:43 pm

    @Quiltingfool: My grandfather and his father were Southern Illinois coal miners. Great grandpa was killed in the wheelhouse the day Archduke Ferdinand was assassinated.  Paradise and Peabody mines were there as well.

  53. 53.

    Old Dan and Little Ann

    September 19, 2020 at 9:43 pm

    @WaterGirl: It is hard talking to someone who’s stance is basically. “agree with me or shut up.  Quit lecturing me!”

  54. 54.

    raven

    September 19, 2020 at 9:44 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Fuck em if they can’t take a joke.

  55. 55.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 19, 2020 at 9:46 pm

    Something good.  We all need something good.

  56. 56.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 9:47 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Yeah, the CLEAR COMMENT button is my friend, also.

    I had to walk away from the site last night at the first “she should have stepped down long ago” comment because if I had not, it wouldn’t have been pretty.

    After seeing 13 (!) people in my family in a photo from a labor day gathering I wrote a long email to my entire extended family about how stupid and irresponsible they are being.  I never sent it, but boy did I want to.

    Discretion is the better part of valor.

    Sometimes shutting the fuck up is the better part of valor.

    But so is speaking out when it’s important.  Sometimes it’s hart to know exactly where the line should be.

  57. 57.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 9:48 pm

    @mad citizen: In some ways, we are already a banana republic, but I think there is still time to turn it back.

  58. 58.

    Baud

    September 19, 2020 at 9:48 pm

    TIL there’s a clear comment button.

  59. 59.

    lamh36

    September 19, 2020 at 9:50 pm

    Eddie Murphy won an EMMY tonight for his guest hosting of SNL and Maya Rudolph won her 2nd EMMY this weekend for playing Senator Kamala Harris on the same episode that Murphy hosted!

    Congrats to both.

    Murphy win for SNL is long overdue!

  60. 60.

    Dan B

    September 19, 2020 at 9:50 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: My seventh grade World History class in Arkansas was taught by the principle whose degree was from that school – 7th grade was it for him.  The first ten or fifteen pages were missing.  I was curious when the book had been published.  The last chapter ended in the middle of the Great War.

    That is what Trump’s Patriotic Education makes me think of.  Oh, we sang Dixie at the beginning of every day.  I wonder if that will be included?

  61. 61.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 9:50 pm

    @Old Dan and Little Ann: I am certainly a lot closer than I used to be in terms of understanding how it sometimes came to be brother against brother during the civil war.

  62. 62.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 19, 2020 at 9:52 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Dude, there is nothing you can do about it. I will leave it to our lawyers here to explain if there’s something that can be legally done to prevent the sale to go through if Tik Tok gives in to the blackmail from the President via the Commerce Department and sells a stake to Oracle to be able to continue to operate in the US, But given that Commerce is claiming this is a national security issue because the PRC could access Tik Tok’s users’ data, I have no way idea what the courts might do. I’m not even sure who would have standing to try to get the courts to intervene.

    As to your ongoing question of what do I suggest you do or complaint that I don’t provide a suggestion of what to do, the answer is because there is nothing you or I or anyone else can do other than voting, making sure everyone we know is voting, and making sure everyone that everyone we know is voting. That’s it. The Democrats control one chamber of Congress. The Republicans control the Executive, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and are coming close to controlling the courts of appeal.  And they control 1/2 the states and the legislatures in three key states that have Democratic governors (WI, PA, NC). They don’t care about process, they don’t care about rule of law, and despite constantly invoking it, they don’t care about the Constitution. This is reality. You can accept it, do the little things you can do, and simply stay informed and aware of what is going on. Or you can bitch at me. Or, perhaps, both.

  63. 63.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 9:52 pm

    @Baud: (Today I learned what TIL stands for!)

    Do you see the CLEAR COMMENT button next to POST COMMENT?

    It’s slightly greyed out and there’s no box around it.

  64. 64.

    Baud

    September 19, 2020 at 9:54 pm

    @WaterGirl: ??

  65. 65.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 19, 2020 at 9:54 pm

    @lamh36: The Emmy’s are tonight?  FWIW Eddie Murphy’s guest hosting gig was perfect.  And he did Gumby, damn it.

  66. 66.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 9:54 pm

    @Baud: I didn’t know what TIL was.  I edited #63 when I figured it out.

  67. 67.

    Baud

    September 19, 2020 at 9:55 pm

    @WaterGirl: I see it now.  Never paid attention to it before.

  68. 68.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 9:57 pm

    @Baud: I wrote all that out for the rest of the people who had never noticed it, either.

  69. 69.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 9:58 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I guess they are virtual.  That’s gotta be weird.

  70. 70.

    Percysowner

    September 19, 2020 at 10:01 pm

    And in other news
    Trump threatens to call off 2020 election with executive order saying Biden can’t serve as president
    I mean, he CAN’T do it legally, but what a threat to make.

  71. 71.

    Yutsano

    September 19, 2020 at 10:02 pm

    @zhena gogolia:
    Yep

  72. 72.

    lamh36

    September 19, 2020 at 10:04 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Creative Arts EMMYs

    Tomorrow night is the Primetime EMMYs telecast

  73. 73.

    Repatriated

    September 19, 2020 at 10:04 pm

    Did someone say “educational nonprofit”?

    As in 501(c)(3)?

    Watch it carefully, and think in terms of campaign slush funds… Expect them to start buying “educational” ads about how America has been made “great” again.

  74. 74.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 19, 2020 at 10:05 pm

    @lamh36: Got it.  Thanks.

  75. 75.

    J R in WV

    September 19, 2020 at 10:06 pm

    Thanks GAWD ~!!!~ Finally we can know that Trump is actually a real billionaire, after extorting $5 B from Chinese companies. What a relief for everyone finally to know he’s really, really rich.

    Until the RICO prosecution ~!!~

    Do you suppose Trump even knows what a RICO prosecution is? Hope not, want to see the surprise when they explain it to him.

  76. 76.

    Mousebumples

    September 19, 2020 at 10:08 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I think I have come close to saying things to a few people on this site over the past 25 hours that would have lead to permanent estrangement. I have deleted a lot of comments before I sent them.

    I employed a liberal use of the pie filter last night when people were making me want to type… Unkind statements. Pie filters are temporary. And while I didn’t see as many trolls around, but it helped me avoid some of the chicken little voices that I didn’t need last mount. (I had enough I was fighting in my own head.)

  77. 77.

    mad citizen

    September 19, 2020 at 10:12 pm

    @WaterGirl: I’m hoping so too, we can turn away from the banana republic.  On the other hand, couldn’t help but think this morning about how “East America” and “West America” could happen.  Not sure how Illinois and Colorado would deal with that.

  78. 78.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 10:15 pm

    @Percysowner: Holy fucking fuck.  Here’s the embedded tweet:

    Trump: Maybe I’ll sign an executive order, you can’t have him as your president pic.twitter.com/et3Y956a88

    — Acyn Torabi (@Acyn) September 20, 2020

  79. 79.

    pat

    September 19, 2020 at 10:15 pm

    So how about someone telling all the rest of us know-nothings what TIL means, huh?

  80. 80.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    September 19, 2020 at 10:17 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Or you can bitch at me. Or, perhaps, both.

    Oh, thank you for that. Look, that’s all fine and dandy, but I’m not making “demands” of you. All I’ve done is ask you what can be done to solve these problems. I don’t mind hearing bad news, but I also want to figure out what can be done to counter the bad shit.

    I really don’t appreciate that last comment from you.

  81. 81.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 10:19 pm

    @pat: I had to google it because I didn’t know either!

    TIL = Today I Learned

  82. 82.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 10:20 pm

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka): Everybody’s on edge.  Not many of us are at our best today.

  83. 83.

    Lum’s Better Half

    September 19, 2020 at 10:21 pm

    @WaterGirl: Why shouldn’t he?  What are you going to do about it?

  84. 84.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 10:22 pm

    @Lum’s Better Half:  Why?  Because that’s crazy talk. And his rubes eat it up.

  85. 85.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 19, 2020 at 10:22 pm

    @Lum’s Better Half: ?????

  86. 86.

    Mike in NC

    September 19, 2020 at 10:23 pm

    @lamh36: We all hope that Maya Rudolph stays very busy for the next 4+ years.

  87. 87.

    Another Scott

    September 19, 2020 at 10:23 pm

    @WaterGirl: https://www.urbandictionary.com/ is a great resource for finding out what new intialisms likely mean.

    Though its entry for TCNJ isn’t quite up-to-date.

    ;-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  88. 88.

    JaySinWA

    September 19, 2020 at 10:25 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: So you’re saying Schmidt is over caffeinated?

     

    @Adam L Silverman: We won’t tell, honest.

  89. 89.

    Lum’s Better Half

    September 19, 2020 at 10:26 pm

    What is the response to a declaration that Democratic votes don’t count?  Vote harder?

  90. 90.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 10:26 pm

    @Another Scott: I know.  It just gets kind of annoying when I, and likely a bunch of other people, have to google because someone else wants to use shorthand.

    If you’re trying to communicate with someone, and with a bunch of someones, I think it’s on you to be clear.

    And just to be clear :-) I am not picking on Baud here, just talking about general principles.  Not everybody is cool enough to know all the acronyms.  I’m certainly not!

  91. 91.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 10:28 pm

    @Another Scott: I always liked Stephen Covey’s phrase:

    Be efficient with things, be effective with people.

  92. 92.

    Chetan Murthy

    September 19, 2020 at 10:28 pm

    @WaterGirl: It’s true what you say, but OTOH, after only a little while of googling-and-then-starting-to-use a bunch of these acronyms, my (only-a-year-younger-than-me) sister recently accused me of being hip to all the youngsters, and wanted to know how I did it.  Ha!

  93. 93.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 10:28 pm

    Dear WaterGirl:  Did You Know That...

  94. 94.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 19, 2020 at 10:29 pm

    So we hit 200,000 deaths from Covid today as trump is yucking it up with his fascist Jackie Mason routine in North Carolina

  95. 95.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 10:30 pm

    @Chetan Murthy: That’s funny.

    I was cool once!  Decades ago.  I have never liked tight socks, so when I saw some socks that were loose and were mean to bunch up, I bought them.

    At Christmas my young nieces were very impressed with my “slouch socks”, which were apparently a thing.  :-)

  96. 96.

    Chris Johnson

    September 19, 2020 at 10:30 pm

    @Percysowner: Told y’all that was what he wanted the SC seat filled for.

    This is why the Lincoln Project people did not follow their deepest instincts (to lock in the court by fair means or foul). This is why they can’t do that and have to get what they can out of Biden, and are completely ride or die (sounds like they’re burning ALL the bridges, specifically over Graham)

    They have deepest instincts, which is to take the win over the SC, and they have deepest beliefs. And these are the kind of people who thought Hillary Clinton was a crazed autocrat selling out the country, believed this deep in their hearts.

    I’m sure if she was running against Trump they’d all just kill themselves, but she’s not.

    Trump is a demented fool who is as transparent as a glass of water, and he is going to conspire with McConnell and anyone else he can find to stuff a loyalist into the Supreme Court, IF he can which is not a given, and then call off the election with an executive order or something else as pathetic as a cat covering up shit on a tile floor.

    The man can’t hide anything. If he was trying this after four years of careful preparing then MAYBE there would be a chance he’d get away with it for a time, but right now? This is lemming tactics. And the specifics of what he is doing and threatening, don’t stop at pissing off liberals.

    And what he wants, his fondest goals, WILL NOT WORK. It will not WORK to have a rabble of demented QAnons threatening all of America with guns. He will turn all of America into one big insurgency, and attack it with the worst possible tactics for attacking an insurgency, while not protecting or helping his ‘COIN forces’ at all, not even to help them stay ALIVE. Not even having a good word to say about them when they die.

    Normal dictators at least have the fucking sense to praise their own martyrs, but not this asshole.

    I’m sorry RBG didn’t live to see this guy absolutely crushed. No good end, for bad orange man.

  97. 97.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    September 19, 2020 at 10:32 pm

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka): Just don’t use TicToc.

  98. 98.

    J R in WV

    September 19, 2020 at 10:32 pm

    I don’t know many hip new acronyms. I do know that style is that first use is never the naked acronym, you always start with the words, followed by the (Acronym) after the words.

    And TCNJ is TheoCratic Nut Job every time.

  99. 99.

    Jay

    September 19, 2020 at 10:33 pm

    Non-mask wearing protesters attempting to block voters during early voting in Virginia. This is unlawful interference with a federally-protected right. pic.twitter.com/bUn4lejGsq— Kristen Clarke 866-OUR-VOTE (@KristenClarkeJD) September 19, 2020

  100. 100.

    zhena gogolia

    September 19, 2020 at 10:33 pm

    @lamh36:

    I’ve now watched that 1000 times.

  101. 101.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    September 19, 2020 at 10:34 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I know. Maybe I have been making myself a pest tbh

  102. 102.

    Amir Khalid

    September 19, 2020 at 10:34 pm

    @Another Scott:

    All I can say to that is, TIAANA*.

     

    *There Is Always Another New Abbreviation.

  103. 103.

    Another Scott

    September 19, 2020 at 10:37 pm

    @Percysowner: He tells his adoring crowds (that he personally hates) all kinds of crap that is impossible / illegal / disgusting to get them riled up. It would be news if he didn’t say such things.

    Also from RawStory, quoting a Jane Mayer piece: https://www.rawstory.com/2020/09/mitch-mcconnell-is-immune-to-shame-but-he-has-one-key-weakness-that-could-impact-the-supreme-court-fight/

    Mayer says that McConnell’s top goal is to remain majority leader of the Senate, which telegraphs to Democrats his values prioritization.

    “He’s made the conservative makeover of the federal court system his pet project, but if he faces a choice between another right-wing Justice and losing his control of the Senate, no one who knows him well thinks he’d hesitate for a moment to do whatever is necessary to stay in power. In fact, back in the summer of 2016, when it looked like Trump would lose to Hillary Clinton, far from being distressed at his party’s dim prospects, McConnell was savoring the probability of being the single most powerful Republican in the country, according to a confidant who spoke with him then,” Mayer wrote.

    “The problem for McConnell now is that it may be impossible for him to both confirm a new Justice and hold onto his personal power as Majority Leader. A power grab for the Court that is too brutish may provoke so much outrage among Democrats and independents that it could undermine Republican Senate candidates in November. As he knows better than anyone, polls show that Republican hopes of holding the Senate are very much in doubt. If Joe Biden is elected, enabling a Democratic Vice-President to cast the deciding vote in the Senate, Democrats need only to pick up three seats to win a majority. And, at the moment, according to recent polls, Democratic challengers stand good chances against Republican incumbents in Maine, Arizona, and Colorado. Democrats also have shots at capturing seats in South Carolina and Iowa,” Mayer wrote.

    Poor, poor Addison. Whatever will he do when his dreams are crushed??

    Make it so.

    Forward!!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  104. 104.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 10:37 pm

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka): Yeah, I get that.  I’m just suggesting that maybe we should all try to let stuff roll off without taking offense, especially now when everyone is so stressed.

  105. 105.

    Quiltingfool

    September 19, 2020 at 10:37 pm

    @raven: Please don’t think I’m blaming your kinfolk,  they worked a dangerous job because they had families to support, and workplace conditions were terrible, and families paid the price.  I watched a documentary on zinc mining in Joplin, and the conditions those men worked under was horrific, and even if they survived the mines, they died an early death from lung diseases.  They interviewed a man whose father worked in those mines; he said his daddy worked there because the family was starving (farming wasn’t  working for them) and you go where the jobs are, no matter the risk.

  106. 106.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 19, 2020 at 10:37 pm

    Joe Biden’s twitter team is, as the kids say, en fuego

    Joe Biden@JoeBide· 1h
    I’m Joe Biden and I approve this message.

  107. 107.

    J R in WV

    September 19, 2020 at 10:37 pm

    @Jay:

    Yeah, my first thought was that voters, dozens of them, should have called the cops instantly, and that everyone not making a phone call should have been making video or photos of the illegal bastards.

    Did that not happen? Why the hell not???

    All those people were unmasked, that’s a good thing, it makes them easily identifiable after the crime is over, from the video of the people attacked. Threats are illegal~!!~

  108. 108.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 10:37 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    All I can say to that is, TIAANA*.

    *There Is Always Another New Abbreviation.

    Ha!

  109. 109.

    NotMax

    September 19, 2020 at 10:37 pm

    @WaterGirl

    There’s a tremendous untapped market for cushioned tenterhooks. Preferably including a cup holder.

    ;)

  110. 110.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 19, 2020 at 10:38 pm

    @Lum’s Better Half: What the living fuck are you talking about?

  111. 111.

    Another Scott

    September 19, 2020 at 10:40 pm

    @WaterGirl: “Speech was given to man to conceal his thoughts (La parole a été donné à l’homme pour déguiser sa pensée).” Said by Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord, Prince de Benevento – also known simply as Talleyrand.

    ;-D

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  112. 112.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 10:40 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I tried to send a message at #93.  :-)

  113. 113.

    zhena gogolia

    September 19, 2020 at 10:41 pm

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka):

    You’re okay. Everybody’s on edge.

  114. 114.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 10:41 pm

    @Another Scott: Then lots of us here are more successful than we ever imagined!  :-)

    The acronym thing is definitely my pet peeve.

  115. 115.

    bluehill

    September 19, 2020 at 10:41 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Oracle never made sense when I first heard they were a bidder except that Larry Ellison was a Trump supporter and would probably love to get all that user profile data. Between Facebook and now Tiktok and with help of Palantir, I guessing the Trump campaign should be able to microtarget most of the likely voters in the upcoming election.

  116. 116.

    Another Scott

    September 19, 2020 at 10:42 pm

    @Amir Khalid: One I learned long ago was:

    WFYITBWNBLJ

    .

    .

    .

    .

    .

    .

    .

    .

    .

    “Waiting for you in the bath wearing nothing but lime jello.” (I think it was.)

    Yeah, there’s a never-ending supply.  It’s even bigger than Aleph-Null.

    ;-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  117. 117.

    Lum’s Better Half

    September 19, 2020 at 10:43 pm

     

    @WaterGirl: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_socks

  118. 118.

    Fair Economist

    September 19, 2020 at 10:43 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    At Christmas my young nieces were very impressed with my “slouch socks”, which were apparently a thing

    I can be fashionable just by wearing my old run-down socks? Well, at least there’s one good thing about 2020.

  119. 119.

    AnotherBruce

    September 19, 2020 at 10:43 pm

    “The real history of our country — the real history, not the fake.”

    The real hysterectomy.

  120. 120.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 10:43 pm

    @bluehill: You’ve got to give them credit for being relentless, and devious, and relentlessly devious, even though at times they are highly incompetent.

  121. 121.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 10:44 pm

    @Fair Economist: No!  Sorry, you are decades too late!  Those are not cool any longer.   :-)

  122. 122.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 19, 2020 at 10:45 pm

    @WaterGirl: By this point, you must know that I don’t use the pie filter.  Also, shouting at an actual idiot is therapeutic sometimes and better than shouting regulars who are having a meltdown.

  123. 123.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 19, 2020 at 10:46 pm

    @Another Scott: Alan Bennett?

  124. 124.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 10:47 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: That’s not actually the pie filter.  It’s my favorite image from the pie filter, and I put it in the comment itself.

    That’s what I do to signal when I think someone is deliberately wasting our time, or trying to derail things.  Apparently not very effective.  :-)

  125. 125.

    prostratedragon

    September 19, 2020 at 10:47 pm

    @WaterGirl:  Rotating tag?

  126. 126.

    James E Powell

    September 19, 2020 at 10:48 pm

    @Mousebumples:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Is it really that hard to scroll past a comment that annoys you?  I get that the negativity can be tiresome. The same can be said for angry, hateful responses. That’s what makes comments at LG&M and the GOS unreadable.

  127. 127.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 10:48 pm

    @prostratedragon: Could be!

  128. 128.

    Jack Canuck

    September 19, 2020 at 10:48 pm

    @raven: Add me to the list – lived in Geneva from Grade 4 on, for about twelve years. Never head the Peabody story though, maybe I was too far out for that.

  129. 129.

    Another Scott

    September 19, 2020 at 10:49 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Needs more words.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  130. 130.

    Mousebumples

    September 19, 2020 at 10:49 pm

    @WaterGirl: That’s not actually the pie filter. It’s my favorite image from the pie filter, and I put it in the comment itself.

    That’s what I do to signal when I think someone is deliberately wasting our time, or trying to derail things. Apparently not very effective. :-)

    I quoted that post about 3 times before i realized there was no toggle there.

    It’s been… a long day, to say the least.

  131. 131.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 19, 2020 at 10:50 pm

    @James E Powell: This comment creates a quandary.  I could answer you or I could just scroll past.

  132. 132.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 10:51 pm

    @James E Powell: For what it’s worth, I took it as Omnes trying to determine if that was a sincere commenter who was making no sense, or someone behaving in an intentional way.

    I could be wrong about that.

  133. 133.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 19, 2020 at 10:51 pm

    @Jack Canuck: I was in Geneva as well.

  134. 134.

    Mousebumples

    September 19, 2020 at 10:53 pm

    @James E Powell: Is it really that hard to scroll past a comment that annoys you? I get that the negativity can be tiresome. The same can be said for angry, hateful responses. That’s what makes comments at LG&M and the GOS unreadable.

    Usually not. Last night was just rough, and for my own mental sanity, that was my solution. I wasn’t sleeping, and I felt like the community was somewhere we could grieve together.

    But I just needed a break from certain commenters, and I didn’t think going off on anyone would be helpful. So the pie filter was my solution. I’m toggling now, and unpieing people, as appropriate.

    It’s a tool, and it worked for me last night.

  135. 135.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 19, 2020 at 10:53 pm

    @Another Scott: I was thinking of this.

  136. 136.

    Percysowner

    September 19, 2020 at 10:55 pm

    @James E Powell: Using the pie filter is much kinder to my blood pressure. Why subject myself to people who make me mad and want to respond badly. Plus most of my ‘Pies” are trolls, who eventually disappear. I get to look at pie and NOT be tempted to feed the trolls. For me it’s win/win.

  137. 137.

    Ken

    September 19, 2020 at 10:58 pm

    @Lum’s Better Half: What is the response to a declaration that Democratic votes don’t count?

    Laughter.

    And if the courts try to enforce it, pitchforks.

  138. 138.

    Jack Canuck

    September 19, 2020 at 10:59 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Well what are the odds? I was there from 79-91, more or less, Graduated in 88, spent a couple of years at UIC before moving back to Canada.

  139. 139.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 11:00 pm

    @Mousebumples: I wasn’t trying to confuse you!

    If I think it’s a troll, i use CatCake and that lovely quote from The Thin Black Duke.

    That probably makes it more obvious.

  140. 140.

    Another Scott

    September 19, 2020 at 11:01 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Excellent.  Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  141. 141.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 11:01 pm

    @Jack Canuck: Canada?  So you’re the one who sent the ricin or whatever Trump is pretending to have received in powder form in the whitehouse.  They said it came from Canada.

  142. 142.

    James E Powell

    September 19, 2020 at 11:01 pm

    @Mousebumples:

    Last night was a rough night. RBG’s passing is hard news. People are going to react emotionally, I know I did. It’s not always easy to accept such things with quiet dignity and grace.

    All I’m saying is that we could be nicer to each other.

  143. 143.

    Benw

    September 19, 2020 at 11:02 pm

    @Ken: laugh and vote MORE. Everyone turn out. Flood them in votes. Early voting, mail in, absentee, day of. Show up and don’t give up until your vote’s cast. Make any attempt to steal the election laughable

  144. 144.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    September 19, 2020 at 11:02 pm

    @WaterGirl: This briefly confused me.

    OT: As of today, it’s been 10 years since I’ve consumed an adult beverage.

  145. 145.

    Jack Canuck

    September 19, 2020 at 11:03 pm

    @WaterGirl: Not guilty, yer honour – haven’t been in Canada since 2007. Currently hiding out living in Australia, you can’t prove nothin’!

  146. 146.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 19, 2020 at 11:03 pm

    @Amir Khalid: OT: I sent you an email the other day. Would you please take a look when you get a chance?

    Thanks!

  147. 147.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 11:03 pm

    @Mousebumples: No apologies!  It took me a long time to find those images :-) so I’m happy when it helps someone.

    What I like about it is that I can’t get sucked into replies from people to that person.  And if there’s too much pie showing, that means “skip this thread”.  :-)

  148. 148.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 11:04 pm

    @Jack Canuck: Ha!  That’s what we would expect you to say if you were guilty!

  149. 149.

    zhena gogolia

    September 19, 2020 at 11:04 pm

    This is magnificent.

    RBG ad worth a watch until the very end and retweet pic.twitter.com/LjjxO3T7b2— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) September 19, 2020

  150. 150.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 11:05 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: So much for subtlety!  All I did was confuse the good guys.

    Congratulations on 10 years.  That’s a long time!  That’s nearly as long as it’s been since Trump was elected.  :-)

  151. 151.

    Jack Canuck

    September 19, 2020 at 11:05 pm

    @WaterGirl: Whatever it was, I didn’t do it. And if I did do it, they probably deserved it. That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it.

  152. 152.

    JaySinWA

    September 19, 2020 at 11:06 pm

    @WaterGirl: If speech is meant to obscure, the catcake is beyond words. Maybe in reply to a likely offender or a reply to a reply of the likely offender? with a pie is good or pie in the eye hint to eschew obfuscation?

  153. 153.

    Ken

    September 19, 2020 at 11:08 pm

    @Another Scott: Speech was given to man to conceal his thoughts

    I think it’s in one of James Morrow’s “Bible Stories for Adults” that God reverses the effect of Babel, so that we all understand exactly what the other person really means by what they say. The effects are not pleasant.

  154. 154.

    Jay

    September 19, 2020 at 11:08 pm

    Huh! Someone realized that Russia actually is an enemy causing chaos and harm to our military and allies?U.S. Sending More Troops to Syria to Counter the Russians https://t.co/QnGqF4BjeX— Olga Lautman (@OlgaNYC1211) September 20, 2020

    Wish it would have happened before we betrayed our Kurdish allies leaving them to get murdered— Olga Lautman (@OlgaNYC1211) September 20, 2020

  155. 155.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 11:09 pm

    @zhena gogolia: That deserves an embed.

    BREAKING:
    Dear RBG,
    We promise to carry your work forth. Thank you for teaching us how.#HonorTruthHonorRuth pic.twitter.com/4IUi2hMJ41

    — Pattern Integrity Films (@pttrn_ntgrty) September 19, 2020

  156. 156.

    Schmendrick

    September 19, 2020 at 11:09 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:  I, too, was in Geneva back around 1975 — visiting my girlfriend’s parents.  It is a small world, indeed.

  157. 157.

    Ken

    September 19, 2020 at 11:10 pm

    @WaterGirl: sent the ricin or whatever Trump is pretending to have received in powder form in the whitehouse

    Definitely a lie, unless White House mail and security protocols have completely disintegrated under Trump. Which I suppose is possible.

  158. 158.

    WaterGirl

    September 19, 2020 at 11:12 pm

    @Ken: Yeah, I pretty much assume everything they say is a lie at this point, until proven otherwise.

  159. 159.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 19, 2020 at 11:18 pm

    The O’Bros Get Mitch or Die Trying fund is split between 13 Senate candidates, in CO, ME, NC, MT, IA, KS, both GA seats, AL, MI, AK, SC, TX and KS. They’ve raised, if I’m reading the tweets right, $13M in a little over 24 hours, bring their total up to $18M.

    There’s a savvy take floating around the tweets today that it’s too late for money to make a difference, which struck me as fucking absurd, which these guys who work in politics think, too.

    Tommy Vietor @TVietor08 · 4h
    People might be wondering at what point there are diminishing returns. To put it in perspective, Raphael Warnock, an amazing Senate in Georgia, reported raising $4.349MM in his 6/30/20 FEC report. Total. So what you guys are giving is a HUGE boost to many of these campaigns.

    Brian Schatz @brianschatz ·2h
    We are literally 1 billion dollars away from diminishing returns. I’m not exaggerating. This idea that money doesn’t make a difference is preposterous. We can put more places in play if we put more money into this fund. It matters .

    Rick Wilson said in his latest podcast– he and Molly Jong-Fast are not great anchors, but they get good guests– that Alaska is both gettable for Gross, and a state where money goes a long way.

  160. 160.

    Lefthanded compliment

    September 19, 2020 at 11:21 pm

  161. 161.

    Another Scott

    September 19, 2020 at 11:23 pm

    @WaterGirl: Very well done.  Thanks for posting it.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  162. 162.

    Another Scott

    September 19, 2020 at 11:26 pm

    @Lefthanded compliment: Well actually, it’s only an acronym if it’s pronounced as a word.  Like SCOTUS.

    ;-)

    //

    [/snark]

    [It’s a joke son!]

    [eta:] Deleting your comment isn’t fair!  It makes me look like a Kook, and I’m Not A Kook!!1

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  163. 163.

    Chetan Murthy

    September 19, 2020 at 11:29 pm

    Rib-tickler for the day: Donnie wants Joe to take a drug test.  Joe should counter with a demand that both contenders weigh-in on the same scale, immediately before the first debate, on-stage.

    Yeah, Donnie, let’s see how much you really fuckin’ weigh.

  164. 164.

    guachi

    September 19, 2020 at 11:29 pm

    Can’t candidates transfer money after the election as well?

    Say a candidate has more money than he knows what to do with AND loses he could just wholesale transfer the money to the DNC.

  165. 165.

    Yutsano

    September 19, 2020 at 11:30 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: If Dr. Gross can nail down the tribes, then he can work the liberal pockets in Anchorage, Fairbanks, and Juneau. Not easy but it could happen. Also: Dolt45 doesn’t have totally solid numbers here either. I highly doubt Biden can win, but there’s nothing keeping Dr. Gross from getting over the hump.

  166. 166.

    Jay

    September 19, 2020 at 11:31 pm

    This. #FoleySquare #NYC #RIPRBG pic.twitter.com/nOnLJ63545— Justin Hendrix (@justinhendrix) September 19, 2020

    She was small in stature but even the tallest looked up to her. Her voice was soft but her message rang loud and clear and will echo forever. Thank you, RBG. Rest In Peace. Respectfully, Dolly Parton pic.twitter.com/Sra7ge5K9b— Dolly Parton (@DollyParton) September 19, 2020

  167. 167.

    Schmendrick

    September 19, 2020 at 11:34 pm

    @Another Scott:

    [pedantic snark]   I agree that an abbreviation is only an acronym if it is pronounced as a word, but I am pretty sure that the number of available abbreviations is equal to (not greater than) Aleph null (unless you have an uncountable alphabet or allow abbreviations of infinite length — but that would hardly be useful or an abbreviation, would it?)  [/pedantic snark]

  168. 168.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 19, 2020 at 11:36 pm

    @Jack Canuck: I was there from ’65-’76.

  169. 169.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 19, 2020 at 11:37 pm

    @Jay: Dolly is One of US! One of US!

  170. 170.

    JaySinWA

    September 19, 2020 at 11:39 pm

    @Chetan Murthy: Are logarithmic scales a thing? Cause I could rig the hell out of that test.

  171. 171.

    Benw

    September 19, 2020 at 11:39 pm

    Damn, Lee Kerslake, legendary drummer passed away. Likely due to prostate cancer. F this year and F cancer

  172. 172.

    James E Powell

    September 19, 2020 at 11:39 pm

    @Schmendrick:

    I agree that an abbreviation is only an acronym if it is pronounced as a word

    Every time I bring this up at a faculty meeting I get strange looks and a feeling that no one likes me.

  173. 173.

    Jay

    September 19, 2020 at 11:40 pm

    More lies,…….

    Trump: "If I lose to him I don't know what I'm gonna do. I will never speak to you again, you'll never see me again."— Andrew Solender (@AndrewSolender) September 20, 2020

  174. 174.

    JaySinWA

    September 19, 2020 at 11:42 pm

    @James E Powell: TFW everyone is WTF is wrong with you, (TFWEIWTFIWWY).

    You could maybe sorta pronounce that.

  175. 175.

    NotMax

    September 19, 2020 at 11:43 pm

    No one celebrating Talk Like A Pirate Day? Nearly midnight in the east; not much time left, matey.

    ;)

  176. 176.

    NoraLenderbee

    September 19, 2020 at 11:43 pm

    @MazeDancer: Now $6,526, 230,xxx. 4.5 million in less than 3 hours.

  177. 177.

    Jay

    September 19, 2020 at 11:44 pm

    This is a grave loss for the country, the Court, and those of us who had the unbelievable privilege to work for and know Justice Ginsburg. For tonight, I'm revisiting happy memories, and I'll share a small one to illustrate what a kind and caring person she was. 1/x pic.twitter.com/8JmcRke5WN— Joe Palmore (@palmore_joe) September 19, 2020

  178. 178.

    Ken

    September 19, 2020 at 11:45 pm

    @Jay: Comedian Alan King (to show my age) had a routine called “Ten things you never say to your wife”.  Somewhere on the list was:

    SHE: I’ll never speak to you again!

    HE: Promises, promises.

  179. 179.

    Another Scott

    September 19, 2020 at 11:47 pm

    @Schmendrick: It’s been a long, long time since I read 1, 2, 3, … Infinity.  Since acronyms and initalisms can have multiple meanings associated with them (may an infinite number of them on their own, like “ABC”), isn’t there a chance that it could be bigger than Aleph null?

    In other words, is it a countable set?  Hmmm.

    https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/29599/is-the-set-of-all-finite-sequences-of-letters-of-latin-alphabet-countable-uncoun

    That doesn’t really answer the case if each combination of letters can represent a large number of meanings.  But if that large number of meanings is countable, the it appears the whole shebang is countable.

    So, Aleph Null it apparently is.

    Going on much longer will make my head hurt.  ;-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  180. 180.

    NoraLenderbee

    September 19, 2020 at 11:50 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I raise a glass of chocolate milk to you, sir.

  181. 181.

    Ken

    September 19, 2020 at 11:51 pm

    @Another Scott: You are correct, a countable union of countable sets is countable.  It’s one way to show the rationals are countable.

  182. 182.

    Chetan Murthy

    September 19, 2020 at 11:52 pm

    @Ken: Cantor, Schmantor!  I’ll give you Cantor!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0u4M6vppCI

  183. 183.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    September 19, 2020 at 11:55 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    That’s nearly as long as it’s been since Trump was elected.  :-)

    No, that just seems like 10 years…

     

    @NoraLenderbee: Thanks, I’ve got Diet Coke here.

  184. 184.

    Another Scott

    September 19, 2020 at 11:58 pm

    @Chetan Murthy: 69M views??!

    Zooks!

    Genius though.  Thanks for the pointer.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  185. 185.

    Gravenstone

    September 20, 2020 at 12:00 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Doom porn is a growth industry.

  186. 186.

    Ohio Mom

    September 20, 2020 at 12:01 am

    BillinGlendaleCA @144:

    Congrats on ten years well spent! What a fabulous accomplishment.

  187. 187.

    Fair Economist

    September 20, 2020 at 12:07 am

    @James E Powell:

    Every time I bring this up at a faculty meeting I get strange looks and a feeling that no one likes me

    ETIBTUAFMIGSLAAFTNOLM, eh? I totally get it.

  188. 188.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    September 20, 2020 at 12:08 am

    @Ohio Mom: Thanks, not sure about the well spent part though.

  189. 189.

    Ian

    September 20, 2020 at 12:16 am

    @zhena gogolia:

    It’s nice they are on our side with this.  In four years these ‘friends’ will use their time in the Lincoln project to show how they are the Serious True American Heroes.  The news networks will bombard us with stories about how these few fine brave defenders of democracy stopped Trump without any help whatsoever from the left, who were to busy protesting, or some other made up thing.

    I would love to know how many actual votes these fine ex-Republicans actually swing.  I think the Lincoln Project is a lifeboat for Republicans who don’t want to be tainted with Trump.  It may be they are the enemy of my enemy, but by no means should we trust or applaud these people.

  190. 190.

    Jay

    September 20, 2020 at 12:27 am

    Breaking: Newly released body-camera video shows L.A. police officers yank a large protest sign from the hands of a man in a Hollywood intersection, shove him backward as he puts his hands up, then shoot him in the groin with a projectile at close range.https://t.co/OC9sr2J1qK— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) September 19, 2020

  191. 191.

    Jay

    September 20, 2020 at 12:37 am

    Homeland security at a Chipotle in Atlanta.

    First employee: "We can’t serve you without a mask."

    Officer: “Steak burrito.”

    Second worker: "We can't—"

    Officer: “Everything but cheese.”

    Manager at register: “Sir, we can’t serve you without a mask—"

    Officer: “Ring it up." pic.twitter.com/HDFXvGI4yu— Charles.Bethea (@charlesbethea) September 18, 2020

    Lactose intolerant Piggies???????

  192. 192.

    Lyrebird

    September 20, 2020 at 12:41 am

    @Ian:  I look forward to the day they can crow like that! And if they get us to having Harrison or Greenfield in the Senate, fantastic.

    I dislike Steve Schmidt, who helped bring us Palin, and I am sure I disagree with most of the rest of the Never Trump crew. Having them exaggerate on TV would be much less disgusting that Chris Cilizza’s misogyny. just my thoughts.

  193. 193.

    Gvg

    September 20, 2020 at 12:45 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: That won’t make you feel better. An honest man winning the presidency and an honest justice department charging all these criminals will.

     

    Good God, we are going to have to pay China reparations.

  194. 194.

    Yutsano

    September 20, 2020 at 12:52 am

    @Gvg:

    Good God, we are going to have to pay China reparations.

    For what? The Chinese Communist Party has been ripping us off for decades.

  195. 195.

    Mary G

    September 20, 2020 at 12:54 am

    Irin Carmon, who wrote a book about RBG, has a lovely tribute to her in NYMag. I had never heard this:

    Ginsburg was born in 1933 in Flatbush, and her stoicism was forged in a childhood spent in a house that, she said, bore “the smell of death.” When she was 2, her only sister died of meningitis; one day short of her high-school graduation, her mother died of cervical cancer. Celia Bader, who had once broken her nose reading while walking down the street but whose sweatshop wages had gone to her brother’s education, left behind secret college savings for her daughter and a will to accomplish what Celia had been denied.

    That’s what good genes are, Twitler.

  196. 196.

    mrmoshpotato

    September 20, 2020 at 12:57 am

    Fuck you ABC.  There’s nothing scary about October 31st.

  197. 197.

    Jay

    September 20, 2020 at 12:58 am

    This thread, on the LA Sheriff's office presser about a recent killing by sheriffs, is important to read. It is a good example of how LEOs try to aggressively shape narratives and detest oversight.Here: justifying a shooting bc Kizzee… listened to rap music. https://t.co/6EFYbOoZRu— John Pfaff (@JohnFPfaff) September 18, 2020

  198. 198.

    Jay

    September 20, 2020 at 1:02 am

    @Yutsano:

    Nope, your Oligarchs have been ripping you off for decades.

    China is just one of the many countries they moved to.

  199. 199.

    Chetan Murthy

    September 20, 2020 at 1:05 am

    @Jay: Dean Baker makes a cogent case that (given how almost all the gains go to the very rich, who are transnational at this point) all intellectual property protections are a tax on the rest of us.  And hence doing away with them would be a net plus for almost all Americans.

    It’s true that some number of Americans own some stock.  But compared to the massive amount of money extracted from them by the rich, in the form of rents on IP, the stock is inconsequential except for the rich.

  200. 200.

    joel hanes

    September 20, 2020 at 1:16 am

    @WaterGirl:

    I took a (nearly complete) 24-hour break from blogs and twitter as soon as I heard that RGB had passed.

    It seems to have been a good idea.

  201. 201.

    Gvg

    September 20, 2020 at 1:17 am

    @Yutsano: I know, but many wrongs don’t change the fact this is robbery. I don’t want robbery to be considered OK when it happens to foreigners. Next it happens to us….actually early on i think Trump May have been extorting American companies.

     

    it would be nice if we had a competent administration that actually worked on problems for years to get things done to help Americans….god dam am I tired of republicans and ignorant fellow citizens who don’t even try to understand how things work and just use their gut….I wish more Americans actually understood economics.

  202. 202.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    September 20, 2020 at 1:17 am

    @mrmoshpotato: Sometimes I’ve seen clowns then, very frightening.

  203. 203.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 20, 2020 at 1:19 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Sometimes I’ve seen clowns then, very frightening.

    I cannot argue with the truth.

  204. 204.

    joel hanes

    September 20, 2020 at 1:20 am

    @Baud:

    TIL there’s a clear comment button.\

    If you’re on a computer, you can hit [CTRL] a to select everything in the composition box, and then hit backspace.

  205. 205.

    joel hanes

    September 20, 2020 at 1:28 am

    @WaterGirl:

    Apparently not very effective

    Like using a new acronym without providing the expansion into words, it leaves the audience guessing at your meaning.

    Because I have two old troll accounts permanently pied, I had thought that we were seeing sporadic re-eruptions from long-dormant asshole commenters.

  206. 206.

    oatler.

    September 20, 2020 at 1:32 am

    @Jack Canuck:  Were you familiar with the Fabyan estate? Between Geneva and Batavia I believe, though Kent Shodeen probably converted it into condos.

  207. 207.

    joel hanes

    September 20, 2020 at 1:47 am

    @Chetan Murthy:

    A step you could take right now would be to quit using the framing devised and insisted on by the rights holders.

    “Intellectual property” is not a thing.   It’s intended to refer to four actual things that exist in law: copyright, trade mark, trade secret, and patents.   What those things have in common is that there is no property — nothing alienable.   (The patent holder still has his idea if I use it too.)     These exclusive rights are entirely the right to sue.

    But rights-holders weren’t happy with that situation, because unauthorized use of their exclusively-held ideas was not a crime — not covered at all by criminal law — and the rights-holders thought it should be.   So they lumped four legal concepts, none of which have anything to do with actual property, into a phrase that includes the word “property”.

    It used to seem strange when the music and movie companies talked about making a copy as “stealing”.   We’ve mostly become inured to that usage, but it was never correct, and intellectual property is not property.

    When you’re talking about it,  figure out which of the four components you’re actually discussing — copyright, trademark, trade secret, or patent protection — and use that term instead.

  208. 208.

    prostratedragon

    September 20, 2020 at 1:49 am

    @James E Powell:
    Quiet dignity, grace and cool:

    “But I Was Cool,” Oscar Brown, Jr. (with animation suitable for BJ after dark)

  209. 209.

    Chetan Murthy

    September 20, 2020 at 1:49 am

    @joel hanes: 100% agree with you.  100%.

  210. 210.

    Ruckus

    September 20, 2020 at 2:02 am

    I’ve been away from BJ for most of the day. Sanity reasons.

    What the hell happened that pissed off everyone at everyone else?

    Or is everyone just pissed off at the last 24 hrs in American life and are taking it out on each other?

    Or have I missed the mark completely?

  211. 211.

    Chetan Murthy

    September 20, 2020 at 2:08 am

    @Ruckus: Door #2 my friend,  Not #1 or #3.  Door #2.

  212. 212.

    Ruckus

    September 20, 2020 at 2:41 am

    @Chetan Murthy:

    So, y’all realize that this is really shitforbrains 1 and only specialty, misdirection, redirection of all of all your desire to string him up by his balls for being the complete and utter asshole that he is by getting everyone to hate someone else, anyone else. It hasn’t worked for most of the last 4ish years because it’s been so obvious that he is one of the most ignorant humans still managing to breathe. But the last 24 hrs has given him an opening. And everyone  seems to be losing sight of the real goal here, beating him and his sycophants like the rented assholes they are. We lost someone who’s been sick for a while and was even in that condition, a real human being. She lived a long and pretty damn good life and she didn’t choose her time, she did everything she could to kick his ignorant, moronic, racist, narcissistic ass out the door and we should celebrate her life and carry on with the task of kicking his racist, narcissistic, moronic ass out of our house so we can fumigate for a week or so and get on with the job of being an actual decent country, or at least trying to.

    We all have a job to do, and it’s take back the country and help our politicians fix the fucking mess shitforbrains has turned it into, and figure out how to keep it on track for longer than what looks to history like a minute and a half. At least 1/3 or the country is insane and is willing to cut off their own genital to spite the other 2/3. We should be the better people and fix it so they don’t have to do that, or at least not give a shit if they do and move on with the actual job at hand.

  213. 213.

    CaseyL

    September 20, 2020 at 3:01 am

    I spent most of the day watching Columbo reruns.  It was very soothing.

    I live in a state that’s done VBM for over a decade, so there’s not much opportunity to Protect The Vote here.  Everyone I know has a plan to vote. About the only activist thing I’ve had the chance to do is let people know they can hand-deliver their ballot directly to the nearest Election Office.

    I’d love to be a poll watcher in another state, but the rules require you to actually be from the state whose polls you’re watching.

    I’d also happily volunteer to pepper spray assholes showing up to block voters from polling places, but apparently that is also frowned on.

    Soooo…. tomorrow I’m doing an online training session with Common Cause to be a social media watcher, doing somethingsomething about disinformation.  I hope that’ll be useful, but it does bring to mind the classic xkcd cartoon about Someone is Being Wrong on the Internet; i.e., shoveling sand against the tide.

    Gotta do something, though.

  214. 214.

    Ruckus

    September 20, 2020 at 3:09 am

    @CaseyL:

    Enough peoples shovel sand and it’s no longer all in the tides favor.

  215. 215.

    CaseyL

    September 20, 2020 at 3:15 am

    @Ruckus: 

    From your mouth to FSM’s noodly auricles :)

    Oh, and it just occurred to me that part of the effort might require having a FB account again. Ugh – but that is where most of the disinfo, and the most targeted disinfo, is found.

  216. 216.

    Connor

    September 20, 2020 at 3:19 am

    @joel hanes:

    You are fundamentally wrong when you state that there is nothing alienable in intellectual property. The definition of “alienable” is “able to be transferred to new ownership.” This certainly applies to copyrights, trademarks, trade secrets, and patents, all of which can be transferred by a creator if they so wish, and from purchaser to purchaser after that.

    The correct word for what you refer to when you say “The patent holder still has his idea if I use it too,” if you use that idea without independent invention or permission, is theft.

    From the remainder of your commentary it seems likely that you don’t make your living as any kind of creator. If the world actually functioned in the fashion you appear to support, there would be precious few working artists, writers, composers, producers, or scientists.

  217. 217.

    NotMax

    September 20, 2020 at 3:36 am

    @Connor

    The fly in the ointment being the trend to making them perpetually renewable.

  218. 218.

    Colleeniem

    September 20, 2020 at 3:45 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

     

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Vengeance is in your nom de plume. I’m not sure why we or you should remark on it.

  219. 219.

    Connor

    September 20, 2020 at 4:22 am

    @NotMax:

    The fly in the ointment being the trend to making them perpetually renewable.

    There is no such “trend” as you describe.

    Trademarks are perpetual in their basic concept — so long as usage is not abandoned, they remain good. Therefore the question of “renewability” never even arises. (And it is possible, under very specific circumstances, for an owner to lose a trademark even if it is in use.)

    Patents are specifically time-limited. They can’t be renewed and no one is trying to make them renewable, perpetually or otherwise. It is true that the US patent term was adjusted upward slightly back in the ’90s, but that was to bring us into alignment with the rest of the world, which was a good thing.

    Existing copyrights in the United States have been extended (not renewed) twice in the last 100 years — once in 1976 and again in 1998. In both cases the purpose was to harmonize US standards with international standards, and once again, that’s a good thing. There is nothing in copyright law about “renewing” a copyright, and there is no reason to believe there ever will be…as witness the fact that massive numbers of things that were extended by the 1976 and 1998 changes have now fallen out of copyright and entered the public domain.

  220. 220.

    Sab

    September 20, 2020 at 4:31 am

    Nostalgia here. i really miss Mnem poking sticks at trolls in the wee hours ( eastern time).

  221. 221.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    September 20, 2020 at 4:38 am

    "They give [Biden] a big fat shot in the ass, and he comes out, and for two hours he's better than ever before … we are going to ask for a drug test. Both of us." — Trump pushes ludicrous conspiracy theories about Biden's debate performances.
    pic.twitter.com/4ZRsWbHm7l

    — Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) September 19, 2020

    This is from Trump’s rally in North Carolina on Saturday night. The part about the “big fat shot in the ass” seemed awfully specific, as if Trump really knows what he’s talking about, if you catch my drift.

  222. 222.

    Jack Canuck

    September 20, 2020 at 4:38 am

    @oatler.: It was a park with an old windmill in it, as I recall. No idea what’s there now. Last time I was back to visit family was in 2012, I think, and it’s all changed (grown!) so much since I lived in the area. I remember doing a bit of sledding there, I think.

  223. 223.

    mrmoshpotato

    September 20, 2020 at 4:42 am

    @Steeplejack (phone): This is from Trump’s rally in North Carolina on Saturday night. The part about the “big fat shot in the ass” seemed awfully specific, as if Trump really knows what he’s talking about, if you catch my drift.

    Ass Adderall!

  224. 224.

    mrmoshpotato

    September 20, 2020 at 4:46 am

    @Jack Canuck: “Let’s sled!”

  225. 225.

    evodevo

    September 20, 2020 at 7:31 am

    @Quiltingfool: Same thing in western Ky – about which John Prine wrote a song

  226. 226.

    evodevo

    September 20, 2020 at 8:36 am

    @CaseyL: Yes…I spend hours every day shoving that boulder uphill – but then I LOVE jerking right winger nutjob chains…

  227. 227.

    Chris Johnson

    September 20, 2020 at 9:03 am

    @evodevo: I increasingly take a little time, when looking at Twitter, to glance at trends and find right wing stuff being put across, and fuck with it. Find the counterattacks in the threads and the people calling out the Nazis, and ‘like’ ’em all, watching those numbers go up and up and up.

    I’m no bot farm, but I do my bit, when I can. Just because the right wing runs troll farms doesn’t mean they automatically control all the algorithms and all the social media. Take a moment to look for the helpers and ‘like’ ’em in passing. It adds up.

    And then move on, as it’s still a dumpster fire :)

  228. 228.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 20, 2020 at 9:14 am

    @Jack Canuck: Dead thread, but it is as it was.

  229. 229.

    Matt McIrvin

    September 20, 2020 at 9:26 am

    @Lum’s Better Half: If we make the appropriate response we will just get arrested. This is the fundamental problem with a President who has no sense of the responsibilities accruing with power. Trump can make his funny “jokes” about ending democracy, screwing your daughter or putting a bullet in your head and there’s really nothing you can do about it.

  230. 230.

    Dopey-o

    September 20, 2020 at 9:32 am

    @Chetan Murthy:

    SEPTEMBER 20, 2020 AT 1:05 AM

    @Jay: Dean Baker makes a cogent case that (given how almost all the gains go to the very rich, who are transnational at this point) all intellectual property protections are a tax on the rest of us.  And hence doing away with them would be a net plus for almost all Americans.

    I will pay you to show the link to the article you mentioned. I have been trying to explain the economic catastrophe to my Porsche-driving brother in law.

    Pet peeve on progressive sites: ” Here’s a cogent article by an experienced writer who has studied the issues and has written a complete and concise article to explain it to you. I read the article, i know what it says and why the arguments are compelling. I just can’t be bothered to share that with you. ”

    takes less than 15 seconds to publish the link. FOYFF.

  231. 231.

    Miss Bianca

    September 20, 2020 at 11:01 am

    @joel hanes: I did the same thing. Because RBG’s passing was the worst fucking birthday present this gal has ever had.

  232. 232.

    Ruckus

    September 20, 2020 at 12:06 pm

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    As has been said so many times, everything is projection with shitforbrains. Which of course is your point……

  233. 233.

    Schmendrick

    September 20, 2020 at 1:45 pm

    @Dopey-o:   Chetan can correct me if s/he wishes, but 30 seconds of Google-foo yielded this:

    https://newrepublic.com/article/157591/rebuild-economy-coronavirus-intellectual-property-reform

    It is a few months old but it seems to match the description.  No need for payment.

  234. 234.

    Another Scott

    September 20, 2020 at 5:29 pm

    @Dopey-o: Dean Baker’s canonical hangout is at CEPR.

    https://cepr.net/trade-wars-are-class-wars-even-more-than-klein-and-pettis-say/

    HTH.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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