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President Musk and Trump are both poorly raised, coddled 8 year old boys.

Let’s not be the monsters we hate.

Damn right I heard that as a threat.

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No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

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He wakes up lying, and he lies all day.

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Open Thread: Joe Biden Live In Kenosha

First up:  Team Biden Disability Coalition: Roundtable on Chronic Illness and Health Equity w/Jonathan Van Ness   (click here to register)

 

Next: Kamala and Lizzo had some fun on Instagram over the weekend.

 

Here are the highlights from the CNN townhall. I tried to find the full video, but no luck.

 

And I just love this ad:

Open thread

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  5. 5.

    Leto

    Harris Biden (carried on Harris’ FB feed) live on FB right now in Wisconsin. Intro guy doing his thing. They’re at a manufacturing place.

  6. 6.

    WaterGirl

    @TaMara (HFG): Happy to hear that.  They are good.

    In the first one, I didn’t notice names popping up as they speak, but that’s good because surely these guys are not actors.

    edit: Yes, they did put the names up in the first one.  Good job, Biden campaign.

  13. 13.

    randy khan

    There’s a bit of video going around the right-wing fever swamps supposedly showing a reflection of Biden’s teleprompter in a photo he showed to James Corden.  Of course, it’s just a monitor showing him four different screens of video, but they’re convinced it’s proof that all he’s doing is reading and that he really doesn’t know anything.

    (To which my mental response is that they should be careful about that, since their guy apparently can’t even read a teleprompter.)

  14. 14.

    New Deal democrat

    An update on the Senate races: as of today the Tyson Group came out with a poll in Mississippi showing the Democrat trailing by only 1%: Link

    This brings to 7 the number of GOP seats rated “toss-up,” *besides* the 4 lean or likely Dem pick-ups.

  16. 16.

    Leto

    Just received an email from the state that our ballots are on the way. Should be here in 10-14 days. Feels like it’s cutting it close, even though it’s not.

  17. 17.

    Quinerly

    Joe giving a great speech right now.

    Knocking it out of the park. Went after Trump on his tax returns.

  20. 20.

    New Deal democrat

    @debbie: I do monitor the State Presidential polls as well. Unless there is a new poll that just came out in the past few hours, most recently Trump has slightly expanded his very slight (~1%) lead.

  29. 29.

    Leto

    @Baud: Yeah, it was a rather quick speech. Boiler plate that we’ve heard before.

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: right? We’re part of that 7% who’ve had their mail fucked with; got that fancy USPS voting mailer that’s oh so wrong. I know our three mail carriers. They get to our apartment building first, then work their way through the rest of the complex. I’m pretty certain we can fill ours out in about 10 mins, and get them back to one of them so it’s virtually same day. Motherfuckers…

  35. 35.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    @Leto:

    I’ve voted absentee for the last 4 years and I really liked it. Not risking it this time. Election mail is bulk mail now, which doesn’t have to be delivered. I’m not sure the ballot would be delivered to me, even if I used the drop box for the application. So I’m voting early in-person

  36. 36.

    Barbara

    @debbie: I do use Nate Silver’s site to look at polling data.  I don’t care for Nate’s commentary, but he loads every poll he receives and provides an aggregated number, as well as letting you see the individual details.  He also rates them according to his view of the soundness of their methods, but I typically ignore that.  Ohio has looked close, but Trump has had a steady lead — basically, never less than 1.5%.

  37. 37.

    Leto

    @JPL: Even though I know this speech, it’s still comforting. Baud was talking about how we might re-connect with voters, a few threads down. This might be a way. YouTube “fireside” chats.

  39. 39.

    Leto

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka): I voted absentee for 6 1/2 years while living overseas, and at least once when I was deployed overseas. I know PA will have drop boxes so I’ll also investigate where ours will be. Also the federal judge who wrecked Trumpov’s/DeJoy’s shit wrt to the Post Office stipulated that all voting mail goes back to first class. Still, understand why you’ll vote in-person.

  44. 44.

    Barbara

    @Baud: Same as it ever was.  The anxiety for me is the result of knowing how many states are willing to engage in voter suppression.

  45. 45.

    gene108

    @Baud:

    It really comes down to how badly will Republicans cheat, in order to keep Trump ahead by 1.5% or close Biden’s 3% lead, which I think is a cause for us to worry.

  46. 46.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    @Baud:

    It would be interesting to know what lead would be necessary to counter voter suppression tactics. I’m sure it’s out there. My gut tells me at least 5% or so. Are you very worried about those 3-5% leads?

    I remember seeing a poll putting Biden ahead in Arizona by 9%! That’s a typically Republican state, so hopefully that lead holds. Winning Arizona would narrow Trump’s path to the EC, correct?

  49. 49.

    Kent

    @Baud: It’s funny. A 1.5% lead for Trump in Ohio seems unsurmountable, but Biden’s 3-5% lead in other states seems worryingly close.

    It’s because no one trusts Ohioans or the state government of Ohio anymore.     Been burned one too many times.

  50. 50.

    Alison Rose

    I love that Shop Talk ad–seeing Black men talk about the importance of having a Black woman on the ticket is great.

    Also, good thing they disallowed comments on the video–it currently has 217 Likes and 196 Dislikes. I fucking hate people.

  52. 52.

    WaterGirl

    @debbie: @New Deal democrat:

    New Deal democrat, if you add the URL to your state of the race website before your next comment, then people could click on your name to see that whenever they want.

    If you know that already and aren’t interested in doing that, please disregard.

  57. 57.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Bostondreams: It also legalizes running over protesters with your car! Basically all Heather Heyer’s killer would have to do is claim he was fleeing from a mob.

  58. 58.

    Alison Rose

    @WaterGirl: Especially when people tell you to use Urban Dictionary, and if you’ve ever used that site you know there is a very good chance any acronym you look up is gonna have something X-rated as one of the options…

  60. 60.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    @Bostondreams:

    Basically, it sounds like anybody at a protest can be arrested by association if somebody there is violent. We already have laws on the books dealing with that. This is fascism and I don’t understand how this could be constitutional

  61. 61.

    Bostondreams

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka):

    Read something along the lines of ‘making something that is already illegal just super illegal doesn’t reduce the incidence. It just creates more felons.’

    and maybe that’s the point… :/

  63. 63.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    @Leto:

    Also the federal judge who wrecked Trumpov’s/DeJoy’s shit wrt to the Post Office stipulated that all voting mail goes back to first class.

    Really? That’s great news! Still, I’ll vote in person anyway. I haven’t noticed a mail delay where I live

  64. 64.

    Quinerly

    @Baud: 
    Listening on Echo. Outside. Grown up speakers ? “Alexa, play Tune In MSNBC Outside Speakers.”
    Cable was carrying it. I’m outside and explaining to my cactus/succulents that it’s time to start coming in for the winter.
    Kidding aside, you can stream all cable news on Tune In app. I go weeks without ever watching this stuff. ?

  66. 66.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka): Arizona has 11 EVs, so it’s a significant help. And, yes, that’s one that’s swung Republican for a long time. Obama never won it. Bill Clinton did win it on his second go-around, but before that you have to go all the way back to 1948.

    The strongest regional political trend of the past 30 years or so has been the West getting more Democratic. It’s almost under the radar and by the time it’s happened it feels like it was always the case. Note that in this region the state polls were also dead accurate even in 2016.

  70. 70.

    Jeffro

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka): I actually have to vote early – working as a poll observer for the local Dems and we’re not allowed to vote on Election Day.  Who knew?  So I’m going to vote early in-person here at the county office.

  71. 71.

    James E Powell

    @Barbara:

    538’s latest poll for Ohio is a Rasmussen showing Biden +4.

    538’s adjusted poll average has Trump +0.5 and that’s with allocating undecideds evenly.

    My heart breaks for my beloved home state.

  72. 72.

    Jeffro

    @Bostondreams: and legal for people to run over protestors, too.

    I’m sure it’s okay if the protestors are blessed ‘Second Amendment’ activitists, too, right Ron?

  77. 77.

    japa21

    @Alison Rose: There was one I saw, maybe here, where they were talking, then it cut to video of Trump saying ,”I’ve done more for black people than anybody except Lincoln”, then cut back to them and they are all laughing.

    I like they are targeting the AA male community.

  81. 81.

    Quinerly

    @TaMara (HFG): ?

    I have new neighbors. Trump supporters. (not a fit for my inner city neighborhood)

    Have 2 sets of very good outside speakers wired to a receiver with Echo Dot.

    I enjoy broadcasting MSNBC 24/7.???❤️?

  82. 82.

    frosty

    @Benw: As a former Scheduling Engineer, earned value is a pretty good way to track how your progress is going against the budget and schedule. Useful for big jobs (billion dollar refinery construction) but maybe not small ones. Although I used it on everything.
    That being said, it doesn’t take two days to figure it out. And if it’s two days of PowerPoint you have my sincere condolences.

  83. 83.

    Kay

    @James E Powell:

    I use Ohio as a kind of measure for a group of states. Put IN on the far Right end of this group, then OH, then probably PA, then MI, WI, Minnesota. So if Biden’s even or slightly up in Ohio then you can be more confident he’s up enough in the rest as you move Left. So Clinton being back so far in Ohio didn’t bode well for MI and PA. If Trumpster is slipping in Ohio then he’s slipping further in the others. So Obama ’12 won OH by 3 and PA by 6 and MI by 10. Like that. It’s not perfect but it’s info.

  84. 84.

    Libbys Person

    The barber shot ad may have been filmed in Durham NC about 2 weeks or so ago.  I remember a little conversation on the Durham Democratic Women FB page about it.  If so, that barber shop is very well known in East Durham.

  88. 88.

    Sab

    The fancy neighborhood at the top of our hill with all the old rubber baron mansions decided to put a memorial onto their traffic island back after 9/11. Before it had a mailbox and some flowers. Now it has a big rock with an engraved statement on it, and a big flagpole with a flag and a spotlight for it.

    Drove by today. No half staff for them. Flag up at the top same as usual. Every other flag I have seen is lowered.

  89. 89.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Kay: I think Nate Silver’s model has a lot of correlations exactly like that baked into it! It’s one of the ways he fills gaps between state polls.

  90. 90.

    Kay

    DJ Judd
    @DJJudd
    CNN’s
    @JDiamond1
    reports that Ohio Lt. Gov. Jon Husted was booed after encouraging supporters at Trump’s Vandalia rally to wear masks. “I’m trying to make masks in America great again and I’ve got President Trump’s masks,” Husted said, prompting jeers from the crowd.

    The Trump supporters are trying to impeach both Husted and DeWine, yet they have to go out there and kiss their asses.
    Husted is reduced to peddling overpriced Trump merch. What a great job he has! So fulfilling being beholden to this sleazy real estate crook and his awful family.

  92. 92.

    Kay

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Well, ancient, wizened Ohio political people had it first. Be happy if he’s struggling to stay even in Ohio because that’s a good sign for the rest.

    There’s this “bellweather” county in OH I’m obsessed with and we just happen to have a very friendly young man running for the US House in that district. When they poll his race they also poll Biden v Trump. Biden was up a month ago. I haven’t checked nor do I know if they’ve polled again but I’ll ask.

  93. 93.

    Sab

    @Kay: Yes. Husted is way too right wing for me, but I have had a soft spot since he stood up for gay parents adopting. He’s an adoptee, and he wanted all kids to have homes and parents. I have a stepkid who spent had an early childhood out of Dickens in bad fostercare.

  94. 94.

    J R in WV

    @Benw:

    September 21, 2020 at 3:27 pm

    OT: god help me I am in the absolute worst, dumbest training class in the history of time
    Fuck EVMS

    I had to look EVMS up — OMG what a potential for cluster-fuq in the project management arena!!! But so attractive to top level managers!

    Glad I retired from project management before that hit the IT news sites!!!

    Are you going to have to waste a lot of time filling out forms full of irrelevant data for the EVMS system, as opposed to actually developing data structures, use cases, doing work to complete the project ??

    Best wishes, don’t let them destroy your interest in the actual real task…

  95. 95.

    J R in WV

    @J R in WV:

    EVMS in the IT world could be “Earned Value Management System” which tracks actual investment in a project…

    From Wikipedia:

    Essential features of any EVM implementation include:

    Sounds like a whole ‘nother layer of irrelevant data tracking to load onto project managers, as opposed to allowing them to work on the project itself.

    SO GLAD I never had to fill out those forms~!!~

    ETA:  Can YOU tell from their comments who actually managed IT projects? I can!!!

  96. 96.

    cain

    @Kent:

    Ungrateful too given how much we’ve helped save jobs there. They are more interested in keeping white male majority – understandable – but I guess they’ll just continue to be poor and illiterate white male majority but it’s okay as long as the darkies also don’t progress.

    But they are going to progress – black and latino middle class is going to continue to grow. (ironically, some will turn republican cuz they don’t wanna pay taxes)

  97. 97.

    Benw

    @J R in WV: luckily my lab has a pretty good project controls office to deal with the software entry stuff. I still have to pull together the overall schedule and budget, but then I get to spend most of my time working on the technical stuff with my group, vs maybe 20% useless BS

  98. 98.

    Princess

    @James E Powell: I don’t believe Biden is winning OH. It’s either a) just an outlier b) I am wrong and he’s crushing it or c) Rasmussen is throwing this one out to tempt Dems to pour money and energy in OH rather than somewhere more winnable. I’m inclined to think  c)

    Rasmussen closely cooperates with the GOP. I answered a poll of theirs years ago and answered it truthfully, but identified myself as a Republicans. For at least a decade afterwards, I was on GOP mailing lists which, given my zip code, had to be because they told them

    ETA: All that being said, I was driving in northern Indiana last weekend and was shocked not to see one single Trump sign (or Biden sign but that was not shocking). Signs for school board and city council but nothing for president (or governor). So who knows…

  101. 101.

    Princess

    I’m pretty sure that, given the line about defeating China, the person who wrote Loeffler’s ad about Attila the Hun, confused Genghis Khan with Attila. Because “destroys Western civilization” is not usually something Republicans boast about.

  103. 103.

    J R in WV

    @J R in WV:

    Early in my career, the big accounting project I was recruited for was put on a major pause after Arthur Anderson androids were fired. I was a valued IT resource, and so was given new tasks until the big project came around again.

    I spent a lot of time developing a list of tasks, degree of difficulty, time required, etc. Then my manager said “That’s too much time, make it shorter!”

    So I did, and started working to convert their major cost benefit system from CICS / VSAM data to DB2 data and CICS I/O…

    When the major $$ system project came around, I was yanked from the (still not complete) VSAM -> DB2 project to resume work on the $$ project. Turned out that the VSAM -> DB2 project ran over time by exactly the number of weeks I originally determined would be required.

    What a surprise !!!

  104. 104.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    Act Blue

    has raised $39 million dollars in past 24 hours

    has raised $99 million dollars in past 50 hours

  106. 106.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Kay: “Booooo to protecting ourselves against a deadly virus transmitted via airborne droplets!  Booooooo!!!!!!”

    If it walks like a suicidal cult, and talks like a suicidal cult, and sucks their Dear Leader’s Soviet shitpile mobster conman ass like a suicidal cult…

  107. 107.

    frosty

    @Princess: All the Trump signs you didn’t see are in my neighborhood in South PA. A new one just went up on my street.  I think I’m up to 20 visible on my half-mile loop to the post office.

    Oh, and not a single Biden sign.

  108. 108.

    Splitting Image

    @Princess:

    I don’t believe Biden is winning OH. It’s either a) just an outlier b) I am wrong and he’s crushing it or c) Rasmussen is throwing this one out to tempt Dems to pour money and energy in OH rather than somewhere more winnable. I’m inclined to think c)

    Ohio is winnable for Biden, but not as winnable as some other states Biden is focusing on. Pundits have used it as a bellwether for ages, but it has always leaned GOP. If Biden does take it, it will be a landslide.

    I doubt that Rasmussen is faking poll results to influence the Democratic party. Biden can win without it, but no Republican has ever won without Ohio and if polls start consistently showing Biden ahead, Trump is finished.

    All that said, the likeliest situation is that Rasmussen just isn’t that great of a polling outfit and this is a bit of an outlier.

  109. 109.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Princess:

    I’m pretty sure that, given the line about defeating China, the person who wrote Loeffler’s ad about Attila the Hun, confused Genghis Khan with Attila. Because “destroys Western civilization” is not usually something Republicans boast about. 

    Only the best people.

  111. 111.

    mrmoshpotato

    @germy: That too, but I’d also like them not to be in a suicidal cult masquerading as a political party.  But that would require coming to terms with the Russthuglicans lying to them for 40+ years.

  113. 113.

    Kay

    @mrmoshpotato:

    We haven’t had any problem with anti-maskers in the office. We started with zero tolerance, though. We had one early on and kicked him out. He wasn’t offended. He sat in his car in the parking lot and called me anyway. See? We can be reasonable about this. He has to sit in his car. Such is the price of liberty.

  114. 114.

    J R in WV

    @mrmoshpotato:

    …that would require coming to terms with the Russthuglicans lying to them for 40+ years.

     

    Do we suppose that Republicans have been under the total control of the Russian state intelligence corps for 40+ years now?

    Or just the past 6-8 years… Hard to say from uppa holler inna countryside, what do the big city folk say?

  116. 116.

    Kay

    The Manhattan district attorney’s office, which has been locked in a yearlong legal battle with President Trump over obtaining his tax returns, suggested for the first time in a court filing on Monday that it had grounds to investigate him and his businesses for tax fraud.
    The filing by the office of the district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., offered rare insight into the office’s investigation of the president and his business dealings, which began more than two years ago.

    It took 40 years but okay. If we started cracking down on white collar crime we could all save a hell of a lot of money, because these people are a disaster and it will cost untold billions to repair what they have destroyed. You will pay and pay. Your children will pay. And their children.
    An ounce of prevention…

  117. 117.

    germy

    @Kay:

    I don’t trust Cyrus R. Vance Jr., but I agree if the trump family had been investigated and prosecuted sooner we might not be in the mess we’re in.

  120. 120.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Kay: Also “I’m trying to make masks in America great again”

    Because I’m sure masks were awesome during the pandemic a century ago!

  121. 121.

    mrmoshpotato

    @J R in WV: Sorry.  I tend to use “Rethuglican” and “Russthuglican” interchangeably at times.  My mistake.

    Fuck the Rethuglican party for 40+ years of “Tax cuts for the rich will fix everything!”

  123. 123.

    CarolDuhart2

    @Baud: I’m not sure that lead will hold.  We are pretty fired up here, and there will be record Af-Am turnout.  If there is a surprise on Election Night, we just might be that.  Despite the rural reddening, there are plenty of Democrats still here in Columbus, Cleveland, and Cincinnati.  We just need to turn out in Obama level numbers.  Remember he did carry our state twice.

  126. 126.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @lamh36:

    That’s adorable. Zoey reminds me a little bit of Parker Curry, the little girl who was entranced by the portrait of Michelle Obama.

  127. 127.

    Another Scott

    @germy:  “Paid for by the NRCC and Bob Good”.

    He’s such a weak candidate, he can’t afford his own web ads.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  130. 130.

    Elizabelle

    @germy:   RE the Liberty U candidate Bob Good: It’s memorable.  He’s not just standing there jawboning or talking with prop voters.  Good as family man (it’s his son in the headlock).

    Of course, for us, we are thinking “Jim Jordan” and “Denny Hastert” and “Jerry Sandusky.”  Which might occur to a few Dr. Webb voters in the district.

    The Kelly Loeffler ad about being to the right of Atilla the Hun — I thought that was a parody.  Right down to the big smiles on Air Force One.

    It’s not.  Wowee.  Guess it’s tongue in cheek at how she’s portrayed by Democrats?

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