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You are here: Home / Healthcare / COVID-19 Coronavirus / Trump Campaign Open Thread: Thoughts & Prayers for Hope Hicks

Trump Campaign Open Thread: Thoughts & Prayers for Hope Hicks

by Anne Laurie|  October 1, 20209:52 pm| 347 Comments

This post is in: COVID-19 Coronavirus, Open Threads, Republicans in Disarray!, Trump Crime Cartel

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.@CBSNews has confirmed Hope Hicks, one of the President’s closest aides, has tested positive for Coronavirus.

A White House official said, “Contact tracing has been done and the appropriate notifications and recommendations have been made."

— Weijia Jiang (@weijia) October 2, 2020

Hope Hicks went back to the White House because she’s on of the few people—maybe the only person—who can calm him down when he’s especially deranged.

If this is how he acts with Hope Hicks around, he could get _worse_ than he was Tuesday night.

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) October 2, 2020

Seriously — because I believe in karma, I wish Ms. Hicks well, knowing that she’s young and otherwise healthy and in a position to get the best possible treatment. And because I believe in the Goddess of Consequences, I am quietly pleased that her illness should become public at this particular point in the campaign…

Hope Hicks, one of President Donald Trump’s top aides, has tested positive for coronavirus, three sources told CNN on Thursday.

She traveled with the President multiple times recently, including to the debate in Cleveland on Tuesday, and was seen boarding Marine One on Wednesday as Trump was heading to a campaign rally in Minnesota.

A source close to Hicks told CNN that she is experiencing symptoms and is back in Washington, DC. It is unclear how severe her symptoms are at this point. CNN has reached out to Hicks for comment…

Hicks’ positive test underscores the unique challenge White House staffers face as they try to keep the pandemic out of the West Wing while the President pushes to reopen the country.

In May, two White House staffers and a member of the Navy who serves as one of Trump’s personal valets tested positive for the virus, and in July a cafeteria employee on the White House grounds tested positive as well.

Trump has previously expressed concern that aides contracting coronavirus would undercut his message that the outbreak is waning and states should accelerate reopening, according to a person who had spoken with him…

ETA: Mig Greengard just retweeted himself:

Btw, the description a page later of Trillian dealing with Zaphod mirrors America's relationship with Trump quite well. pic.twitter.com/KdKfFKfYWq

— Mig Greengard (@chessninja) April 13, 2020

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  1. 1.

    lamh36

    October 1, 2020 at 9:53 pm

    Hope Hicks got COVID.

    CNN drops the “Melania tapes” and it’s JUST October 1st!

  2. 2.

    catclub

    October 1, 2020 at 9:54 pm

    so NOW there is new thread:

     

     I know that trump’s response to Hope Hicks is not “I  hope she will be ok” like normal people,

    but “who the hell let her get near me with that?’

  3. 3.

    catclub

    October 1, 2020 at 9:55 pm

    @lamh36: The REAL whitey tape finally lands.

  4. 4.

    senyordave

    October 1, 2020 at 9:55 pm

    Hope she has no ill effects, but would do a service to the country if she passed it on to Trump.

  5. 5.

    Edmund Dantes

    October 1, 2020 at 9:57 pm

    War on Christmas got an early start this year.

  6. 6.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 1, 2020 at 9:57 pm

    I posted this downstairs but yet again we learned that everyone who works for Trump is just a trash human being.

    Kimberly Guilfoyle was fired by FOX after they settled a multi-million-dollar settlement with a woman described horrific sexual abuse at her hands.

  7. 7.

    Ken

    October 1, 2020 at 9:58 pm

    Trump has previously expressed concern that aides contracting coronavirus would undercut his message that the outbreak is waning

    No, reality is undercutting his message that the outbreak is waning.

  8. 8.

    Comrade Scrutinizer

    October 1, 2020 at 9:59 pm

    Well okay, so long as I can decide the contents of said thoughts and prayers.

  9. 9.

    Baud

    October 1, 2020 at 9:59 pm

    We’re assuming she didn’t get it from Trump.

  10. 10.

    catclub

    October 1, 2020 at 9:59 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: we learned that everyone who works for Trump is just a trash human being.

     

    Anthony Scaramucci is probably the best of the lot.  Think about that.

    he lasted 2 weeks.

  11. 11.

    karen marie

    October 1, 2020 at 9:59 pm

    I read an interesting article about the manner in which COVID spreads – something that Japan apparently figured out early on, and had this administration done everything it could to understand the virus and share information with and advice from other countries, we might not be in the sorry state we’re in.

    @HumboldtBlue:  Ho hum, old news.

  12. 12.

    BeautifulPlumage

    October 1, 2020 at 10:00 pm

    Holy hell that Melania tape. Talk about a war on Christmas.

    And, what about the children? Be Best!!!!!!

  13. 13.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 1, 2020 at 10:00 pm

    @lamh36:

    Melania tapes

    “Who gives a fuck about the Christmas stuff?”

  14. 14.

    catclub

    October 1, 2020 at 10:01 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: But they kept Oreilly for years and years after paying off victims.  gender bias at Fox?

  15. 15.

    lamh36

    October 1, 2020 at 10:01 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: foul mouth witch. As vulgar as her husband. And conservative had the NERVE to try to call Forever FLOTUS ghetto. Melanoma is the real trash!

    “BeBest” huh Melanoma! She’s as fake as we all know she is/was. Can you imagine if Forever FLOTUS Michelle O even said ONE bad word about having to decorate for Christmas. It woulda been “war on Christmas” every day and every hour

  16. 16.

    dmsilev

    October 1, 2020 at 10:02 pm

    It’s impressive, in a way, that Trump generates such a sustained shitsunami of bad news that just two days after that debate, it already seems like old news.

  17. 17.

    Lapassionara

    October 1, 2020 at 10:03 pm

    @Baud: Maybe Trump is one of the super spreaders. Just asking.

  18. 18.

    Ken

    October 1, 2020 at 10:03 pm

    @lamh36: CNN drops the “Melania tapes”

    Dammit, we finally get a thread dedicated to the Hope Hicks story and it’s already cluttered with a new Trump scandal.

    Maybe one of the front-pagers should just schedule hourly posts with the auto-generated title “OK, What’s He Done Now – 02 October 0200 UTC” and we can just park the newest stuff there.

  19. 19.

    senyordave

    October 1, 2020 at 10:04 pm

    There are more than 7 million people in the US alone who deserve thoughts and prayers before Hope Hicks. She’s an advisor to a monster who really is personally responsible for millions of cases and tens of thousands of deaths in the US. Fuck her.

  20. 20.

    Mai Naem mobile

    October 1, 2020 at 10:05 pm

    Not to sound conspiracy minded but I wonder if this is an excuse to be used to get Orange Douchebag out of debate number two. Either false or convenient excuse.

  21. 21.

    Ian

    October 1, 2020 at 10:05 pm

    Before we wish her best of health, is she from a state that supported dear leader? (/s)

  22. 22.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 1, 2020 at 10:06 pm

    @catclub:

    Are you gonna make me track down Rick and Captain Renault?

    @lamh36:

    I’m a foul-mouthed mutha but I at least strive to be a decent human being. Again, everyone around Trump or close to Trump are just vile people.

    Irredeemable in every sense.

  23. 23.

    Leto

    October 1, 2020 at 10:07 pm

    Reposting from below:

    So I haven’t read the site today, outside the front posts, so I don’t know if this has been covered but here in PA:

    Pennsylvania Republicans push committee to investigate presidential vote

    Republican lawmakers in Pennsylvania, a key battleground state in the upcoming presidential election, took the first step on Wednesday to create a committee that would have wide-ranging powers to investigate the vote, including the ability to subpoena election officials and members of the U.S. Postal Service while the election and vote counting are in progress.

    A state resolution to create the new panel in the Pennsylvania House of Representatives passed in committee along party lines Wednesday and could be voted on by the full House on Thursday.
    Pennsylvania Democrats expressed alarm Wednesday that the proposed “select committee on election integrity” in the Republican-controlled chamber could disrupt the election by subpoenaing ballots and bringing in election officials and others to testify before the vote count has been certified.

    “This bill is a fraud,” said state Rep. Malcolm Kenyatta (D), in an emotional speech during the committee meeting on Wednesday. “Democracies die slowly, and I think this bill would be a fatal blow to our democracy.”

    Maddow just had Rep Kenyatta on and I’m pissed that I missed that this was happening. PA folks need to contact their reps and let them know what a POS this bill is.

  24. 24.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 1, 2020 at 10:07 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: Look, at least she called it Christmas, not “The Holiday Season” like you godless libs.

  25. 25.

    Cheryl Rofer

    October 1, 2020 at 10:07 pm

    About two months ago something happened – I can’t recall the exact incident – and I thought, there’s blood in the water.

    And here we are. Melania, Kimberly Guilfoyle, H.R. McMaster, and there will be more. The floodgates are opening.

  26. 26.

    Ken

    October 1, 2020 at 10:11 pm

    @Ian: is she from a state that supported dear leader?

    Ha. You cause me to speculate that Trump’s “cases are low if you ignore the blue states” might be a prophecy.  As cases increase, states are more likely to vote Biden…

  27. 27.

    karen marie

    October 1, 2020 at 10:13 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:  You close social media for a couple hours to get some work done and this shit happens.

    Does anyone know what “story” Mrs. Trump was yammering about?

  28. 28.

    Steeplejack

    October 1, 2020 at 10:13 pm

    This has a bit of a “Masque of the Red Death” quality to it. The coronavirus has reached its tendrils into the innermost parts of the West Wing. It’s not just “unnamed White House staffers.”

  29. 29.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 1, 2020 at 10:14 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Good point

  30. 30.

    JaySinWA

    October 1, 2020 at 10:14 pm

    Hope Hicks is such a giver.

  31. 31.

    Ken

    October 1, 2020 at 10:16 pm

    @JaySinWA: It’s so important to share with friends.

    (Maybe we should make that the covid anthem, or at least use it in PSAs.)

  32. 32.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 1, 2020 at 10:16 pm

    Odd how the woman who cheated on her visas and green card and lied on her naturalization papers to become a citizen, is talking about how non-citizens “need to go through the process” or they don’t deserve to be with their children. She fits perfectly into that garbage family.

  33. 33.

    catclub

    October 1, 2020 at 10:19 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: About two months ago something happened

     

    the woodward tapes were only 21 days ago. How about the judge rejecting the DOJ ‘ drop the flynn case’ filing?  I think  THAT was actually June

  34. 34.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 1, 2020 at 10:19 pm

    Lawrence O’Donnell, in covering the Hope Hicks story, has called Trump and his staff “reckless” at least 20 times (conservative estimate).

  35. 35.

    catclub

    October 1, 2020 at 10:20 pm

    @karen marie: Does anyone know what “story” Mrs. Trump was yammering about?

     

    Kids in Cages.

  36. 36.

    prostratedragon

    October 1, 2020 at 10:20 pm

    Emptywheel reminds us of Proud Boys connections to Roger Stone, William Barr, and threats to judges etc.

  37. 37.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 1, 2020 at 10:21 pm

    Interesting story from the North Coast Journal about public street art and state equipment.

    Caltrans Asks Artists to Sign Over Copyrights

    The world has truly turned upside down because for the like the 50th time in the past eight months Bill Always Fucking Wrong Kristol has another decent take.

    I can think of a pretty famous Republican living in Texas–the only living Republican ex-president, in fact–who’s spoken eloquently about freedom and democracy and the right to vote over the years. He might say a word against Gov. Abbott’s voter suppression.

  38. 38.

    Kent

    October 1, 2020 at 10:21 pm

    @catclub:

    Anthony Scaramucci is probably the best of the lot.  Think about that.

    he lasted 2 weeks.

    I can think of only one Trump appointee that hasn’t been a complete cluster fuck of epic proportions.  And that is his Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell.

    I can’t come up with a second.

  39. 39.

    Leto

    October 1, 2020 at 10:22 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: I mean, it’s not the piss tapes but I’m still happy. I honestly wish HR would’ve come out with this information a long time ago, but as Adam has detailed numerous times it’s been a long standing tradition among the officers to shut the hell up. It’s a dis-service to their oaths and country when it’s something of this magnitude. It really is.

  40. 40.

    Kristine

    October 1, 2020 at 10:23 pm

    So it’s going to be October Surprise A Day, like an Advent card but for crime.

  41. 41.

    geg6

    October 1, 2020 at 10:24 pm

    @lamh36:

    Wait, what?  What are the Melania tapes?

  42. 42.

    Leto

    October 1, 2020 at 10:25 pm

    @karen marie: Just inference from the tape, but I guess she was trying to reunite a kid with their parent (kids in cages). Great. Be best. Fucking trash human trying for a PR stunt. Fuck’em.

  43. 43.

    Chetan Murthy

    October 1, 2020 at 10:25 pm

    Seriously — because I believe in karma, I wish Ms. Hicks well

    Also because you’re a kind person.  I want her to die sputtering pink gobs of lung butter for weeks.  Or hover in stroke-induced limbo for decades of locked-in syndrome.   As long as no human has to dirty their soul in meting out the punishment, no punishment can be too severe.

    God I hate all these people.  All.  Of.  Them.

  44. 44.

    Leto

    October 1, 2020 at 10:25 pm

    @geg6: https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/1311837014724161537

  45. 45.

    Sebastian

    October 1, 2020 at 10:25 pm

    Am I a bad person for wishing him to get the virus, to get sick but not die, but instead a faulty ventilator sold by one of his cronies damages his throat irreparably so he cannot speak, even after he recovers and lives to see his defeat and prosecution but unable to say a word?

  46. 46.

    dmsilev

    October 1, 2020 at 10:26 pm

    @Kent: Jim Brindenstein at NASA has been surprisingly decent, all things considered.

  47. 47.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 1, 2020 at 10:29 pm

    Oh sweet mother of tenderness, bring a tissue.

  48. 48.

    Lapassionara

    October 1, 2020 at 10:33 pm

    @Kristine: Yes. This.

  49. 49.

    catclub

    October 1, 2020 at 10:33 pm

    @dmsilev: ummm, was it nasa or noaa that banned use of the phrase ‘climate change’ by its scientists?

  50. 50.

    sdhays

    October 1, 2020 at 10:33 pm

    @Chetan Murthy: I don’t care about Hope Hicks one way or another. Anyone who works in the Very White House has been playing Russian roulette with the people around them, so it’s only fair that the bullet hits some of them occasionally.

    I just hope that Dump is panicked and terrified that he might have it.

  51. 51.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    October 1, 2020 at 10:34 pm

    @catclub:

    The woodward tapes were only 21 days ago.

    We’ve only heard a tiny fraction of the content of these tapes. If Bob Woodward truly believes that Trump is the wrong person for the job, why doesn’t he just go ahead and post all of the audio online?

  52. 52.

    lamh36

    October 1, 2020 at 10:34 pm

    Oooh, I’ve already seen at least 3 Biden commercials since I got here to Houston (I’m at a hotel for the night until my furniture is delivered tomorrow).

    In Louisiana, I swear I saw a damn Chump commercial at least once a fuq’n night. I hated that shit!

    Oh and the very first political ad I saw once I got here was an ad for MJ Hagar against Coryn!

    Is Texas REALLY in play ya’ll???

  53. 53.

    sdhays

    October 1, 2020 at 10:35 pm

    @Sebastian: No.

  54. 54.

    lamh36

    October 1, 2020 at 10:37 pm

    @lamh36:

    BTW, I mailed off my Texas Voter Registration paperwork Tuesday, with COVID and Texas GOP ratfuckery, who knows if it will be processed in time to vote here in Texas in Nov. But just in case, I requested an absentee ballot from Louisiana since I will be out of the state on election day.

    Gotta get ready to vote out orange!

  55. 55.

    sdhays

    October 1, 2020 at 10:37 pm

    @lamh36: That’s actually funny that they’re advertising for Dump in Louisiana. That’s almost Schindler level “collaboration” – raise funds from Dump supporters, run ads for Dump, but run them where they’re completely useless and make a tidy profit for yourself.

    Genius!

  56. 56.

    Ken

    October 1, 2020 at 10:38 pm

    @lamh36: Texas is surprisingly close, but I find it more startling that the Trump campaign is running commercials in Louisiana. Are they worried about it, or just incompetent?

    EDIT: sdhays got there first, and remembered the third option – criminal.

  57. 57.

    JaySinWA

    October 1, 2020 at 10:38 pm

    @Wyatt Salamanca: He’s got to monetize his patriotism, it is the American way.

  58. 58.

    Keith P.

    October 1, 2020 at 10:39 pm

    @lamh36: I was in Alabama this weekend, and there were Trump commercials about every 10 minutes.

  59. 59.

    zhena gogolia

    October 1, 2020 at 10:40 pm

    @lamh36:

    #deportMelania

  60. 60.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    October 1, 2020 at 10:40 pm

    Melania disproves the Hollywood trope about hookers having a heart of gold.

  61. 61.

    zhena gogolia

    October 1, 2020 at 10:41 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    The NYT tax story simultaneously with Parscale was what gave me a madeleine-like whiff of the events leading up to Nixon’s resignation.

  62. 62.

    JaySinWA

    October 1, 2020 at 10:41 pm

    @David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: #notallhookers

  63. 63.

    catclub

    October 1, 2020 at 10:42 pm

    @Wyatt Salamanca: why doesn’t he just go ahead and post all of the audio online?

     

    mass suicide  by those listening to 20 hours of Trump?

     

    There was a passage in hitchhikers guide about someone who was strangled by his own small intestine when listening to terrible poetry.

  64. 64.

    zhena gogolia

    October 1, 2020 at 10:43 pm

    @catclub:

    No, she seemed to be referring to some kind of story that would have painted her in a good light.

  65. 65.

    JaySinWA

    October 1, 2020 at 10:43 pm

    @catclub: I resemble that remark

  66. 66.

    debbie

    October 1, 2020 at 10:43 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Oh, my. Still, I have to ask what kind of friend tapes phone calls?

  67. 67.

    zhena gogolia

    October 1, 2020 at 10:43 pm

    @Kent:

    Gary Cohn?

  68. 68.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 1, 2020 at 10:44 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: So Don Jr. is into psycho lesbians?  I can’t keep up with this shitshow.

  69. 69.

    Chetan Murthy

    October 1, 2020 at 10:44 pm

    @lamh36:

    Is Texas REALLY in play ya’ll???

    Oh, would that it were.  I donated a ton of money to GOTV and candidates in Texas (Annie’s List and Texas Organizing Project,  Tarrant County Dems, Texas State Dems), on that hope.  And if not, well, they’ll be able to build for next time.  Someday, maybe I’ll feel safe visiting …. and I can get some real enchiladas, sigh.

  70. 70.

    gwangung

    October 1, 2020 at 10:44 pm

    @sdhays: Well, he’s blaming soldiers and police for giving covid to her….

  71. 71.

    debbie

    October 1, 2020 at 10:44 pm

    @lamh36:

    Her attitude does explain those blood red Christmas trees.

  72. 72.

    sanjeevs

    October 1, 2020 at 10:45 pm

    @Leto: Can’t the PA governor veto this bill?

  73. 73.

    Cheryl Rofer

    October 1, 2020 at 10:45 pm

    @catclub: Definitely not Woodward. It was, as much as the incident, the way the media took it. A bit of skepticism rather than the usual uncritical admiration.

    I will think on it. I should have written it down, but we have had so many false starts that seemed like THIS was the scandal that would take him down.

  74. 74.

    Geoduck

    October 1, 2020 at 10:46 pm

    @Kent: Mattis wasn’t horrible (or great) as Sec. of Defense.

  75. 75.

    Cheryl Rofer

    October 1, 2020 at 10:47 pm

    @Leto: Yes, and once a retired officer takes a civilian position, they should be governed by civilian ethics.

    But that lifetime conditioning is hard to break.

  76. 76.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 1, 2020 at 10:47 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: Oh fucking hell.  So Melanie is a whiny, gold-digging, birther bitch?  FUCK!  HER!

  77. 77.

    debbie

    October 1, 2020 at 10:47 pm

    @Mai Naem mobile:

    He’s refusing to allow any changes. I’d bet he’s trying to get Joe to be the one to quit the debates so he can start up again with that senile shit

  78. 78.

    sdhays

    October 1, 2020 at 10:47 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Maybe the Russian bounties story?

  79. 79.

    Brachiator

    October 1, 2020 at 10:48 pm

    Trump has previously expressed concern that aides contracting coronavirus would undercut his message that the outbreak is waning and states should accelerate reopening

    Huh. Ya think?

    Melania tapes

    “Who gives a fuck about the Christmas stuff?”

    So, she really is just like her husband.

  80. 80.

    Benw

    October 1, 2020 at 10:48 pm

    OT: holy heck the Padres are coming back against the Cardinals. If they can hang on, they’ll force game 3!

  81. 81.

    sdhays

    October 1, 2020 at 10:49 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: The portrayals of her on late night shows or SNL have been waaaay too humanizing for her. She’s the perfect woman for Donnie’s third wife.

  82. 82.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 1, 2020 at 10:49 pm

    Between Kimberly, Hope, and Melania, this is turning out to be quite the Day of the Women for Trump. It’s a good thing he has such a placid temperament and can deal calmly with each little crisis as it occurs.

  83. 83.

    Morzer

    October 1, 2020 at 10:50 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: That’s some weapons-grade irony, ma’am.

  84. 84.

    Kent

    October 1, 2020 at 10:50 pm

    @Ken:@lamh36: Texas is surprisingly close, but I find it more startling that the Trump campaign is running commercials in Louisiana. Are they worried about it, or just incompetent?

    Hey, Louisiana is cheaper to campaign in than Texas.  So someone in the campaign probably figured go for the bargain!  We all know Trump is cheap as hell.

  85. 85.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 1, 2020 at 10:51 pm

    @debbie:

    The Trumps don’t have friends their lives are wholly transactional.

  86. 86.

    Ohio Mom

    October 1, 2020 at 10:51 pm

    I had not heard about the Melania tapes until just now. I’ve listened to two snippets.

    She has some peculiar blind spots. She wore the “I don’t care jacket” to rile up the “liberal media” but is pissed no one in the media would give her credit for attempting the (as someone upthread described it) PR stunt of reuniting one of the kids in the cages with their parents. Which she then discovered couldn’t happen because she’s not The Queen, ICE isn’t going to scurry around to fulfill her whim.

    And complaining about having to decorate the White House for Christmas like she’s the one on the ladder, untangling the lights, searching for the extension cord, battling with the tree stands and whatever else?

    Entitled doesn’t even begin to describe Melania. Thinking about the both of them, there really is a lid for every pot.

  87. 87.

    Morzer

    October 1, 2020 at 10:51 pm

    @Kent: Well, if you use a good Sharpie, Texas is really in the same place as Louisiana.

  88. 88.

    Kent

    October 1, 2020 at 10:52 pm

    @Brachiator: “Who gives a fuck about the Christmas stuff?”

    So you just hire a good decorator, have your chief of staff supervise, and take the credit.  Which is how I suspect most first ladies actually did it.

    But no, the Trump clan even has to fuck up something that simple.

  89. 89.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 1, 2020 at 10:53 pm

    @Leto:

    Rachel’s show repeats at midnight ET and again at (I think) 3:00 am. Maybe you can either stay up late, get up early, or record it.

  90. 90.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 1, 2020 at 10:53 pm

    @sdhays: The portrayals of her on late night shows or SNL have been waaaay too humanizing for her. She’s the perfect woman for Donnie’s third wife.

    I completely agree!

  91. 91.

    NotMax

    October 1, 2020 at 10:54 pm

    The Deplorable Five.

    The House adopted a resolution on Tuesday to affirm the chamber’s support for a peaceful transfer of power after President Trump last week declined to commit to it if he loses reelection.

    Lawmakers adopted the measure in a bipartisan 397-5 vote, with all of the votes in opposition coming from Republicans.

    Tuesday’s vote followed one last week on a virtually identical measure in the Senate, which lawmakers in that chamber passed unanimously.
    [snip]
    The five Republicans who voted against the resolution were Reps. Matt Gaetz (Fla.), Louie Gohmert (Texas), Clay Higgins (La.), Steve King (Iowa) and Thomas Massie (Ky.).
    [snip]
    Not a single GOP lawmaker spoke in support of the measure during House floor debate. Source

  92. 92.

    debbie

    October 1, 2020 at 10:55 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer

    Maybe Amy Siskind’s The Weekly List will help jog your memory?

  93. 93.

    sdhays

    October 1, 2020 at 10:55 pm

    @Kent: If she’s even bitching about this, WTF does she actually DO that keeps her so “busy”? Does she watch Pox News all day too?

  94. 94.

    Kent

    October 1, 2020 at 10:56 pm

    @Geoduck:@Kent: Mattis wasn’t horrible (or great) as Sec. of Defense.

    He implemented Trump’s ban on transgender troops didn’t he?   Plus all the other crazy shit that Trump did.  I don’t have the timeline of Mattis’ term of service in my head to know what happened when.  But I’m sure there was some horrid shit he signed off on or looked the other way.

    “Just following orders” went out with the Nuremburg trials.

  95. 95.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 1, 2020 at 10:56 pm

    @Morzer: Only the Best Sharpie!

  96. 96.

    NotMax

    October 1, 2020 at 10:57 pm

    @Brachiator

    “Read the coat.”

    //

  97. 97.

    Ken

    October 1, 2020 at 10:57 pm

    @sdhays: Maybe the Russian bounties story?

    About the right timeframe, mid-July.  I was remembering it as having been around February, but that was when the intelligence services first reported it and Trump may or may not have been briefed.

    Say, does Biden have access to all the presidential daily briefs now that he’s the candidate, or just the new ones?

  98. 98.

    Sebastian

    October 1, 2020 at 10:57 pm

    @Kent:

    That’s like the joke of the drunk guy looking for his lost car keys under the street lamp because there is light.

  99. 99.

    Morzer

    October 1, 2020 at 10:58 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    A very stable genius Sharpie with all the best maps!

  100. 100.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    October 1, 2020 at 10:58 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    gave me a madeleine-like whiff

    Thanks for the Proust reference.

    @catclub:

    mass suicide  by those listening to 20 hours of Trump?

    Actually, it’s closer to about 9 and a half hours in length.

    I’m hoping Woodward will one day find his conscience and release those tapes.

  101. 101.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 1, 2020 at 10:58 pm

    Lincoln Project gives us another look at Melania. Eesh.

    @Ken:

    Say, does Biden have access to all the presidential daily briefs now that he’s the candidate, or just the new ones?

    That’s a good question.

  102. 102.

    zhena gogolia

    October 1, 2020 at 11:00 pm

    @sdhays:

    Fools around with her bodyguard or something. Or what was he, security guard at Tiffany’s or something like that.

  103. 103.

    WaterGirl

    October 1, 2020 at 11:00 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Now McMaster wants to speak up?

    What the fuck is wrong with these people that they propped him up for so long?

    I can’t buy that all these people have suddenly developed a conscience.  Do they simply wake up one day and see which way the wind is blowing and realize that if they don’t hop on the bus now, it may be too late for them to be part of polite society for the rest of their lives?

  104. 104.

    zhena gogolia

    October 1, 2020 at 11:02 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Again, Watergate madeleines. On sale now at your favorite pâtisserie.

  105. 105.

    WaterGirl

    October 1, 2020 at 11:02 pm

    @karen marie: “Let the children sit in cages, I don’t want to go to Fox News”, she whined.  (my paraphrase from the video)

  106. 106.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 1, 2020 at 11:02 pm

    Trump and Melania are going into quarantine. For how long? No telling.

  107. 107.

    lamh36

    October 1, 2020 at 11:02 pm

    @Ken: IDK…but I basically watch Cartoon Network during my internet surfing in the evenings.  I barely watch what playing it’s mostly background noise, but damned if that damn Chump commercial didn’t start coming almost nightly since at least 2 weeks ago.

     

    Had to stop watching CN

  108. 108.

    dmsilev

    October 1, 2020 at 11:03 pm

    @Kent:

    So you just hire a good decorator

    Or, if you’re Melania, you hire someone who thought Pan’s Labyrinth would make for a dandy and festive holiday motif.

  109. 109.

    dmsilev

    October 1, 2020 at 11:04 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Sadly, quarantine does not preclude Tweeting.

  110. 110.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    October 1, 2020 at 11:04 pm

    It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas

    everywhere you go.

  111. 111.

    lamh36

    October 1, 2020 at 11:05 pm

    Chump and Melanoma in self quarantine awaiting results of COVID test after Hope Hicks positive result.

    Hick was also at the debate, so I guess that means Joe an Jill and any Biden campers in her area or presense will need to self quarantine as well?

  112. 112.

    Kent

    October 1, 2020 at 11:05 pm

    @dmsilev:Or, if you’re Melania, you hire someone who thought Pan’s Labyrinth would make for a dandy and festive holiday motif.

    Yeah, I mean only a Trump could fuck up Christmas.  Sheesh.  Just hire someone from Macy’s or something.  There are a bazillion decorators who know how to do Christmas.

  113. 113.

    sdhays

    October 1, 2020 at 11:06 pm

    @Ken: That was the first story that I thought, “This is really going to give the media heartburn, because it means that they have to pick a side between Dump and ‘the troops’.”

  114. 114.

    Wag

    October 1, 2020 at 11:06 pm

    @karen marie:   I agree. From An epidemiologic standpoint, it makes complete sense. Only we had someone in the White House who would listen to the science…

  115. 115.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    October 1, 2020 at 11:06 pm

    @debbie:

    Amy Siskind’s The Weekly List

    A truly outstanding resource, thank God for Amy Siskind.

  116. 116.

    Leto

    October 1, 2020 at 11:06 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I saw it as she was interviewing him. I’m just mad that I didn’t know about it before I saw it there.

  117. 117.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 1, 2020 at 11:06 pm

    @dmsilev:

    oh gads, you’re right.

  118. 118.

    Kent

    October 1, 2020 at 11:06 pm

    @lamh36:Hick was also at the debate, so I guess that means Joe an Jill and any Biden campers in her area or presense will need to self quarantine as well?

    I hope to God that no one in the Biden campaign got with 50 ft of any Trump people.  They should fucking know better.

  119. 119.

    JaySinWA

    October 1, 2020 at 11:07 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:  You are just now realizing this

    Jebus this reply originally went to the wrong commenter. Sorry @Geoduck: , I don’t think it was my fault but sorry

  120. 120.

    Leto

    October 1, 2020 at 11:07 pm

    @NotMax: The Deplorable Party.

  121. 121.

    zhena gogolia

    October 1, 2020 at 11:08 pm

    @Kent:

    Yes, wouldn’t they have had to be close to her for more than 15 minutes to have to quarantine?

  122. 122.

    patroclus

    October 1, 2020 at 11:08 pm

    @lamh36: Yes, Texas is in play.  Biden will probably need a 10-point win nationally to win it (currently about 7.9), but after that disastrous debate performance and all the other news, it’s doable.  I’m not predicting it, but it’s possible (and would push Biden well over 400 EV’s).

  123. 123.

    lamh36

    October 1, 2020 at 11:09 pm

    So Chump is now blaming the military members for Hope Hicks getting COVID…smh

    That fuq’er really has no respect for our troops!

  124. 124.

    Ian

    October 1, 2020 at 11:09 pm

    @Ken: There are parts of Texas that are reached only from New Orleans media market.  If I recall correctly those parts of Texas are redder than it should be possible to even feasibly draw a district.  Their internals must not be looking good if they are trying scrounge up voters in the smallest most conservative corners of the state.

  125. 125.

    sdhays

    October 1, 2020 at 11:09 pm

    @WaterGirl: If you want to be charitable (and I’m generally not for these people, I’m just pointing it out), speaking up now is probably the time where it will have the most significance. If he spoke up before, it wouldn’t have gotten the Republican Senate to reign him in. But speaking up now puts the information in front of people who actually might do something about it right before they’re making the decision.

  126. 126.

    Luciamia

    October 1, 2020 at 11:09 pm

    @Ken: No. Trump has a court order that reality has to stay a hundred feet away.

  127. 127.

    patrick II

    October 1, 2020 at 11:10 pm

    @Sebastian:

    Not necessarily bad, but certainly imaginative.

  128. 128.

    Leto

    October 1, 2020 at 11:10 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: @lamh36: Biden should bring this up: “You called it a hoax. Why are you quarantining if it’s just a hoax?”

  129. 129.

    ballerat

    October 1, 2020 at 11:11 pm

    @senyordave: Fuck that. I have members of my family who have died or have had lingering side effects from covid.

    She was complicit in this administration’s genocide. She can fucking die. That would be a minimum  of what these dirtbags owe 200,000 people and their families.

  130. 130.

    WaterGirl

    October 1, 2020 at 11:12 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I thought for sure the word alacrity was going to show up in that comment.  Alas, I was wrong.

  131. 131.

    sdhays

    October 1, 2020 at 11:13 pm

    @lamh36: So, if he quarantines for the recommended 14 days (ha!) and he’s not sick (with COVID-19), he’ll be free to go to the town hall debate the next day! I’m sure he’ll be thrilled!

    If he’s got it, then that’s an awful lot of trouble just to get out of having to debate (debat?) Joe Biden again.

  132. 132.

    cain

    October 1, 2020 at 11:13 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Oh man, he’s going to be MAD. This is was his time, to go out and do his rallys to get his attention. He’s going to be tweeting like a son of a bitch …

  133. 133.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 1, 2020 at 11:13 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Does that mean we don’t have to hear from either of them for 2 weeks?

  134. 134.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 1, 2020 at 11:14 pm

    @catclub:

    gender bias at Fox?

    Unpossible!

  135. 135.

    sdhays

    October 1, 2020 at 11:14 pm

    @Ian: Or some PAC’s are just lighting money on fire. Or both.

  136. 136.

    lamh36

    October 1, 2020 at 11:15 pm

    The WH saying they are awaiting results of COVID testing for Chump and Melanoma.

    Rapid test can detect a positive within 3 mins, negative in 10min.  If they are negative by the rapid method, they’d want to test using the longer rapid method which is still an under 1hr test usually.  If the rapid was positive, there should be no need they would confirm by longer test unless wanted to see if they had it before or if they were carriers.

    They already know if Chump is positive or not. They surely tested him soon as they knew Hicks was positive.

  137. 137.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 1, 2020 at 11:15 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    We should only be so lucky.

  138. 138.

    patroclus

    October 1, 2020 at 11:15 pm

    FWIW, my electoral map currently has Biden at 321, with 99 toss-ups.  I’m actually beginning to believe that this is going to be a blow-out.

  139. 139.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    October 1, 2020 at 11:15 pm

    Don’t worry, it’s just a Democratic hoax and will disappear like a miracle. https://t.co/eDvQmzL3iu
     

    — George Conway (@gtconway3d) October 2, 2020

  140. 140.

    Kent

    October 1, 2020 at 11:16 pm

    @Ian:@Ken: There are parts of Texas that are reached only from New Orleans media market.  If I recall correctly those parts of Texas are redder than it should be possible to even feasibly draw a district.  Their internals must not be looking good if they are trying scrounge up voters in the smallest most conservative corners of the state.

    Houston is twice as close to the TX/LA border as New Orleans is.  But who knows. That whole region is a cesspool.  Also probably some parts of NE Texas around Marshall are probably served by the Shreveport media market. That’s Gohmert’s district so not just bright red, but bright stupid as well.

    If they are running ads in Shreveport to try to reach Marshall TX then wow….

  141. 141.

    WaterGirl

    October 1, 2020 at 11:16 pm

    @zhena gogolia: 5 minutes is what I have read.  And my understanding that it’s in the same space – since it’s airborne, she doesn’t have to have breathed directly on you.  That’s my take, anyway.

  142. 142.

    mad citizen

    October 1, 2020 at 11:17 pm

     

    @patroclus: My optimist map a week or two ago was 400+ EC votes.  But now we have the caveat of: as long as he doesn’t succumb to covid given to him by the sputing orange mess during the shoutfest.

  143. 143.

    jl

    October 1, 2020 at 11:18 pm

    So, if Trump tries his 2016 stalking trick at future debates with Biden, will that be assault? Can they frog march him out right there and then? Trump must have been exposed.

  144. 144.

    WaterGirl

    October 1, 2020 at 11:19 pm

    @sdhays: Better late than never :: grumble, grumble ::

    But it still pisses me off.

  145. 145.

    TS (the original)

    October 1, 2020 at 11:19 pm

    @Leto:

    Like her husband – the laziest couple ever at the White House.

  146. 146.

    dmsilev

    October 1, 2020 at 11:19 pm

    @Kent: I assume the Biden people are sensible and were masked up. Also, the audience in the debate is usually split, with each camp on its own side of the room, so it’s more likely that she infected the entire Trump family in one go.

  147. 147.

    sdhays

    October 1, 2020 at 11:20 pm

    @lamh36: If it’s very early in the infection, the tests are less accurate, right? I thought I read that the tests are much more positive about a week after initial infection, although I might be mixing that up with something else.

  148. 148.

    Kent

    October 1, 2020 at 11:20 pm

    @patroclus:FWIW, my electoral map currently has Biden at 321, with 99 toss-ups.  I’m actually beginning to believe that this is going to be a blow-out.

    I’m not counting electoral votes until it is all over.  Although I will concede that the electoral votes here in WA state are pretty safely in the Biden camp.

    I need more proof than polls before my faith in the American people starts to get rebuilt.

  149. 149.

    Marcopolo

    October 1, 2020 at 11:21 pm

    Honestly I hope Trump is negative because he was only a few feet away from Biden on Tuesday night yelling his head off in Biden’s direction. And one of the things we know is that someone with the virus yelling can spew it the length of a 20 foot room.

  150. 150.

    lamh36

    October 1, 2020 at 11:21 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: if they follow his CDC recs, 14 days

  151. 151.

    WaterGirl

    October 1, 2020 at 11:21 pm

    @lamh36: Maybe one or both of them was positive with the rapid test, and they are waiting to confirm with the test that takes longer.

    Maybe the 14-day quarantine “just in case” is because one or both tested positive.  Surely from his perspective, “just in case” looks better than “the dumpster has it.”

  152. 152.

    Kent

    October 1, 2020 at 11:21 pm

    @dmsilev:@Kent: I assume the Biden people are sensible and were masked up. Also, the audience in the debate is usually split, with each camp on its own side of the room, so it’s more likely that she infected the entire Trump family in one go.

    Or caught it from one of them.  The Trump spawn have been living large and going mask free.

  153. 153.

    gwangung

    October 1, 2020 at 11:21 pm

    @dmsilev: Um, remember that masking is more effective for preventing transmission if you have covid, and not preventing you from getting it if you don’t. A mask-less Hicks is dangerous no matter what.

  154. 154.

    J R in WV

    October 1, 2020 at 11:22 pm

    @sdhays:

    I just hope that Dump is panicked and terrified that he might have it.

    Drumpf knows he can’t have it — that would be the end of the world, which can’t happen with him in the world. I think that’s how people with his mental condition think.

    But, yes, I hope he can’t sleep, or think (wait, we KNOW he doesn’t think much at all!) or anything, for quite a while.

  155. 155.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    October 1, 2020 at 11:22 pm

    @lamh36:

    Exactly this. I bet he and others in his family have tested positive with the rapid test, so now they’re waiting on the PCR test to confirm the positive result. If he had tested negative with the rapid Abbot test, we would’ve heard that already, right?

  156. 156.

    lamh36

    October 1, 2020 at 11:23 pm

    @debbie: apparently it was a safety net for the aide/friend to use in case they were being blamed for something?

  157. 157.

    NotMax

    October 1, 2020 at 11:23 pm

    @Ken

    Someone’s second cousin owns a Louisiana TV station?

    “There’s room at the trough post-Parscale.”

    //

  158. 158.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    October 1, 2020 at 11:24 pm

    @gwangung:

    That’s actually not true. Masks are just as effective at preventing the wearer from being infected. It works both ways

  159. 159.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 1, 2020 at 11:25 pm

    @lamh36:

    if they follow his CDC recs, 14 days

    As is so often the case, “if” is doing more than its share of heavy lifting in that sentence.

  160. 160.

    Marcopolo

    October 1, 2020 at 11:25 pm

    @dmsilev: Biden wasn’t masked on stage and masks are to protect everyone else.  I assume Hope Hicks was seated in the audience w/out a mask on.

    If Trump is positive with his yelling he could have spread virus all over the stage area.   That is what I’d be worried about.

  161. 161.

    sdhays

    October 1, 2020 at 11:25 pm

    @Marcopolo: I wonder how this will affect Chris Wallace’s coverage of Dump and the coronavirus. Conservatives tend to change their tune quickly when reality hits them personally.

  162. 162.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 1, 2020 at 11:25 pm

    @JaySinWA: Ok.  Let me clarify – I didn’t realize she was that whiny of a gold-digging, birther bitch.

  163. 163.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 1, 2020 at 11:25 pm

    If you’re not following Patrick Skinner on Twitter you’re missing out.

    Much like Mr. Levenson he has recently welcomed a new fluffy family member, in fact, two of them!

  164. 164.

    Geoduck

    October 1, 2020 at 11:26 pm

    @Kent:  The WA state presidential votes are safe, but man, I hope we don’t repeat the national disaster and elect Culp governor.

  165. 165.

    Steeplejack

    October 1, 2020 at 11:26 pm

    @debbie:

    You do after you find out they’re planning to underbus you for the inauguration funding scandal.

  166. 166.

    Kent

    October 1, 2020 at 11:26 pm

    One thing I have noticed.   I have a TON of extended family on Facebook that were rabid MAGA folks in 2016.  I have a very very large extended family scattered across states like MI, IN, PA, AR, and OH.  Most of them were all-in for Trump in 2016 and polluted my FB feed with endless pro-Trump shit.   Honestly it has been deathly quiet from that side of the family on FB for the past year or so.  I mean, I still get the recipe forwards, and the occasional evangelical christian tropes.  But they have all been dead silent about Trump.  Basically they seem to have disengaged from politics.  I know a bunch of them have been royally fucked by Trump’s farm policies and Covid

  167. 167.

    danielx

    October 1, 2020 at 11:27 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Yes indeed.

    In truth, I could almost feel sorry for anyone working in the White House at the moment, since they are subject to the whims of a sociopath who is melting down at a rate that increases by the day.

    Almost. They didn’t have to be there.

  168. 168.

    sdhays

    October 1, 2020 at 11:27 pm

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka): It’s true that they’re effective at protecting the wearer (and initial guidance didn’t say this), but “as effective as preventing spread” is not what I understood.

  169. 169.

    TS (the original)

    October 1, 2020 at 11:27 pm

    @lamh36:

    Is Texas REALLY in play ya’ll???

    I have it as a Biden win.  electoralvote.com has it as barely GOP.

    The Texas Governor has just announced only ONE drop box per county for mail-in ballots.

    Cheating and voter suppression is the only way Trump wins Texas.

  170. 170.

    Kent

    October 1, 2020 at 11:28 pm

    @Geoduck:@Kent:  The WA state presidential votes are safe, but man, I hope we don’t repeat the national disaster and elect Culp governor.

    There was a time when WA would elect the occasional GOP governor. But it was always some very establishment, highly qualified mainstream type GOP daddy with a big long resume. Culp ain’t that.

  171. 171.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 1, 2020 at 11:28 pm

    Trump set to hold large campaign rallies in Wisconsin as state sees "alarming rise" in COVID-19 cases https://t.co/ixAcOagdgZ pic.twitter.com/ZhtMp6Q1Uo— The Hill (@thehill) October 2, 2020

  172. 172.

    WaterGirl

    October 1, 2020 at 11:28 pm

    @lamh36: I can believe that.  I wouldn’t trust either trump or anyone in this administration.  But then I wouldn’t be in their circle in the first place.

    A bunch of users and losers.

  173. 173.

    Kent

    October 1, 2020 at 11:29 pm

    @TS (the original):

    I have it as a Biden win.  electoralvote.com has it as barely GOP.

    The Texas Governor has just announced only ONE drop box per county for mail-in ballots.

    Cheating and voter suppression is the only way Trump wins Texas.

    It’s not just about Trump. They are trying to keep their legislative supermajorities as well. TX statehouse is all powerful.  And redistricting is coming up soon.

  174. 174.

    Martin

    October 1, 2020 at 11:30 pm

    I’m a terrible person, but I sincerely hope Hicks dies from this. Maybe, just maybe, that’d be close enough to Trump to cause some federal action, because we’re lining up for another 100K dead before inauguration day, and Trump doesn’t care about them, but I suspect he cares about the Ivanka clone.

  175. 175.

    sdhays

    October 1, 2020 at 11:30 pm

    @Kent: They have majorities, but I didn’t think they had super-majorities. Don’t the Democrats just need to flip 6 or 7 seats to take back the Texas House?

  176. 176.

    debbie

    October 1, 2020 at 11:30 pm

    @lamh36:

    Makes you wonder what the friend was about to be blamed for.

    I’m still back on those red Christmas trees. She didn’t pick them for some sort of misguided design idea; she picked them to purposely piss off the liberal world. Some Christians these two turned out to be!

  177. 177.

    sdhays

    October 1, 2020 at 11:31 pm

    @Martin: He’ll just blame “Jyna”.

  178. 178.

    patroclus

    October 1, 2020 at 11:31 pm

    I have a boatload of extended family members in Texas (having been born and raised there).  All of them are Biden voters this time whereas in 2016, it was much more mixed.  My soon-to-be 98 year-old Dad, WWII vet and notorious fence-sitter, is as rabidly anti-Trump as anyone you could possibly name.

  179. 179.

    debbie

    October 1, 2020 at 11:31 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    I just cannot keep up any more.

  180. 180.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 1, 2020 at 11:32 pm

    @danielx:

    Almost. They didn’t have to be there.

    Keep in mind the professional staff and their families and extended families and friends. Some people have to be they’re and they are being put at serious risk by careless, vile human beings.

  181. 181.

    debbie

    October 1, 2020 at 11:32 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    He’s his own superspreader!

  182. 182.

    Kent

    October 1, 2020 at 11:32 pm

    @sdhays:@Kent: They have majorities, but I didn’t think they had super-majorities. Don’t the Democrats just need to flip 6 or 7 seats to take back the Texas House?

    I think you are right.  And I’m not sure if supermajority actually means anything in TX anyway as they don’t have a Dem governor to veto override.  All they need is a majority to do what they want.

    But anyway, don’t assume all this voter suppression is about Trump.  It’s about maintaining their legislative majorities by suppressing the Black and Hispanic vote in the big cities.  Same as always.

  183. 183.

    Anya

    October 1, 2020 at 11:33 pm

    No “Whitey tape” but turns out there is a “Who gives a f**k about Christmas” tape.

  184. 184.

    Martin

    October 1, 2020 at 11:34 pm

    @lamh36: Yes, Texas really is in play.

  185. 185.

    TS (the original)

    October 1, 2020 at 11:34 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

     

    Trump told his fervent supporter and Fox News personality, Sean Hannity, around 9:50 p.m. ET that he and his wife had been tested.

    “She did test positive, I just heard about this, she did test positive. She’s a hard worker. A lot of masks, she wears masks a lot but she tested positive and I just went out with a test, because you know we spend a lot of time and the First Lady just went out with a test also, so whether we quarantine or whether we have it, I don’t know,” Trump said on the show.

    My bold – from what I understand she did not wear a mask at the debate & neither did any other trump supporter. The lies never stop.

  186. 186.

    PaulWartenberg

    October 1, 2020 at 11:35 pm

    I was so busy writing a blog article tonight that I only got to see the reports on both Hicks AND Melania’s Christmas Meltdown in the last ten minutes.

    JEEEEEESUS.

    Where the hell is 2020 taking us.

  187. 187.

    Benw

    October 1, 2020 at 11:35 pm

    OT again: the Padres forced game 3! No idea how it’s going to go but go Padres

  188. 188.

    Cheryl Rofer

    October 1, 2020 at 11:35 pm

    Man, the news is just rolling out tonight. I’m going to go to bed pretty soon.

    Reuters adds important reporting tonight that it was Haspel and Nakasone who personally urged Ratcliffe not to declassify the unverified Russian intel. We had heard this as well but hadn’t fully nailed it down. Ratcliffe ignored two powerful IC leaders.https://t.co/zQuMi0AXWX https://t.co/Z0NVFUL2Z9

    — Dustin Volz (@dnvolz) October 2, 2020

  189. 189.

    Kent

    October 1, 2020 at 11:35 pm

    @patroclus:I have a boatload of extended family members in Texas (having been born and raised there).  All of them are Biden voters this time whereas in 2016, it was much more mixed.  My soon-to-be 98 year-old Dad, WWII vet and notorious fence-sitter, is as rabidly anti-Trump as anyone you could possibly name.

    I have a ton of friends in TX who are mostly teachers and former work colleagues and they were mostly Dems to begin with.  So I don’t have a good sense of the current zeitgeist in TX even though I lived there 13 years.  We left in 2016 before the election so my last memories of TX were of Obama derangement syndrome amongst the white suburbanites.

  190. 190.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 1, 2020 at 11:36 pm

    Well then!

    The a/c in AF1 is full of virus now. Guaranteed. https://t.co/q7VePVGux9— Karoli #BidenHarris2020 (@Karoli) October 2, 2020

  191. 191.

    marklar

    October 1, 2020 at 11:37 pm

    For those here worried that Trump could have passed it on to Biden, that’s highly unlikely.  If Trump caught it from Hicks on Sunday or Monday, he probably wouldn’t have become sufficiently infected until today through Sunday (extending up to 14 days) to be spreading it.  Thus, it’s highly unlikely that he could have passed it on to anybody on Tuesday.

  192. 192.

    lamh36

    October 1, 2020 at 11:39 pm

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka): the Abbot has had issues w/false negatives.  But there is a 50min test that can be used that more accurate

  193. 193.

    Mai Naem mobile

    October 1, 2020 at 11:39 pm

    https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/trumpinc/episodes/trump-inc-freddie-mac-kushner-loans

    The day just gets better for Trumpworld. Blood in the water indeed. I think a lot of powerful people have decided they got their tax cuts, their judges and their deregulatory needs taken care of. The incompetent handling of COVID19 has spooked them enough that they don’t want a Trumpov dynasty.  The firehose of attacks on the Trumpovs is going to go on until election day.

  194. 194.

    Anya

    October 1, 2020 at 11:39 pm

    @debbie: she explained that. She said she pleaded with Melania when the Trump world started framing her for the inauguration swindle. They started leaking stories about her and when Melania basically told her to fuck off, that’s when she started recording her. She said, I never taped my friend… meaning at that point she didn’t consider Melania her friend b/c she was ready to throw her under the bus. To make matters worse, she expected her to sacrifice herself to save the Trumps.

  195. 195.

    J R in WV

    October 1, 2020 at 11:39 pm

    @patroclus:

    October 1, 2020 at 11:31 pm

    I have a boatload of extended family members in Texas (having been born and raised there).  All of them are Biden voters this time whereas in 2016, it was much more mixed.  My soon-to-be 98 year-old Dad, WWII vet and notorious fence-sitter, is as rabidly anti-Trump as anyone you could possibly name.

    Congratulations on your family being illuminated~!!~

    If we win TX wife and I will drink TWO bottles of champagne!! The good stuff. And I will eat oysters!

  196. 196.

    Mousebumples

    October 1, 2020 at 11:40 pm

    The Hoarse Whisperer (@TheRealHoarse) tweeted at 10:23 PM on Thu, Oct 01, 2020:

    Something doesn’t add up.

    If this report is true, Trump is clearly lying about awaiting test results.

    And if he’s lying about test results, it ain’t because he was cleared. https://t.co/shSwDc8MBL

    (https://twitter.com/TheRealHoarse/status/1311869373540335616?s=03)

    Speculation I’m seeing on Twitter is that his rapid test came back positive, and now they’re waiting on the longer test results/confirmation.

    And now I’m worried about Biden’s possible exposure. *sigh* Why can’t reckless covid behavior be like Darwinism, and not have one group’s bad decisions impacting innocents.

  197. 197.

    catclub

    October 1, 2020 at 11:40 pm

    @TS (the original): and I just went out with a test,

     

    huh?  what does that mean?

    on the one hand I say he has his talking point lined up for rapid fire, and then I wonder, who talks like this?

  198. 198.

    Kent

    October 1, 2020 at 11:41 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    I posted this downstairs but yet again we learned that everyone who works for Trump is just a trash human being.

    Kimberly Guilfoyle was fired by FOX after they settled a multi-million-dollar settlement with a woman described horrific sexual abuse at her hands.

    How in God’s name did Gavin Newsom wind up with such a vile human being?  Was that one of those celebrity things?   I mean seriously, I expect he had plenty of other options of women to marry.  You don’t turn into this vile of a human out of nowhere.  There had to have been signs going back to childhood.

  199. 199.

    TS (the original)

    October 1, 2020 at 11:42 pm

    @patroclus:

    Biden will probably need a 10-point win nationally to win it

    On 538 Biden is currently up 8.2. All the recent polls range from +5 to +13 with the likely voter polls ranging from +8 to +13.

    A couple of days ago the 538 margin was 7.1

    Only r.fing by republicans will stop Texas turning blue.

  200. 200.

    Kent

    October 1, 2020 at 11:43 pm

    @Mousebumples:

    (https://twitter.com/TheRealHoarse/status/1311869373540335616?s=03)

    Speculation I’m seeing on Twitter is that his rapid test came back positive, and now they’re waiting on the longer test results/confirmation.

    And now I’m worried about Biden’s possible exposure. *sigh* Why can’t reckless covid behavior be like Darwinism, and not have one group’s bad decisions impacting innocents.

    Doesn’t the White House have their own testing lab to basically get instant results even from the longer test?  I mean it ain’t like they have to send the samples out of state and wait in line.

  201. 201.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    October 1, 2020 at 11:43 pm

    @Martin:

    Trump doesn’t care about them, but I suspect he cares about the Ivanka clone.

    I don’t think so.  Trump is a goddamn psychopath and a rat fucking bastard who only cares about himself.  This bastard belongs in prison for the rest of his goddamn life for the criminal negligence that has led to the deaths of over 200,000 Americans.

  202. 202.

    lamh36

    October 1, 2020 at 11:43 pm

    The WH tried to cover up that Hicks had COVID. Reporters found out

    https://twitter.com/meiselasb/status/1311867733827440641

  203. 203.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    October 1, 2020 at 11:44 pm

    @Kent:

    Were they all freaked out about that National Guard operation in 2014 or 2015?

  204. 204.

    TS (the original)

    October 1, 2020 at 11:44 pm

    @catclub:

    huh?  what does that mean?

    I just report it. I am not a Fox reporter, I don’t interpret it.

    I can’t decide whose command of language is worse – the president* or the 3rd lady.

  205. 205.

    Mai Naem mobile

    October 1, 2020 at 11:44 pm

    @TS (the original): poor Melania. She has that kidney issue to worry about. COVID affects kidneys. Also if Orange Douchebag did have a stroke he’s got issues to worry about as well. And then Melania’s elderly parents who magically don’t have to worry about healthcare even though they immigrated here not that long ago.

  206. 206.

    lamh36

    October 1, 2020 at 11:44 pm

    Oh, so now y’all want prayers for
    @HopeHicks, right @hughhewitt
    ? Y’all don’t want to wear masks. Y’all want to hold rallies and don’t enforce social distancing. But now you desire prayers. How about WEAR A DAMN MASK?!

    https://twitter.com/rolandsmartin/status/1311873476144377856?s=20

    In response to Hewitt’s tweet about “prayers for Hope Hicks”

  207. 207.

    Amir Khalid

    October 1, 2020 at 11:46 pm

    @TS (the original):

    Challenging this very hinky one drop box per county order in the courts seems to me the logical response. Is someone, maybe the ACLU’s Texas chapter or a voting-rights organisation, going to do that?

  208. 208.

    J R in WV

    October 1, 2020 at 11:47 pm

    @Wyatt Salamanca:

    Trump is a goddamn psychopath and a rat fucking bastard who only cares about himself. This bastard belongs in prison for the rest of his goddamn life for the criminal negligence that has led to the deaths of over 200,000 Americans.

    Well said, perfectly said in fact. He can’t live long enough for the proper sentence, really. Florence CO for him. High and dry.

  209. 209.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 1, 2020 at 11:48 pm

    @PaulWartenberg:

    Wherever the hell it is I don’t wanna go and I wanna get the fuck off this ride.

    I need to do more drugs.

  210. 210.

    Leto

    October 1, 2020 at 11:48 pm

    @sdhays: BJ after dark starts early…

  211. 211.

    Mai Naem mobile

    October 1, 2020 at 11:49 pm

    @Kent: Newsom had a messy personal life. I can’t believe even in California he became Lt Gov. I believe he screwed around with his best friends wife/girlfriend which is just  really shitty behavior. I don’t really care about people’s personal lives but screwing around with your best friends partner just makes me question somebody’s judgement and assholishness.

  212. 212.

    oldgold

    October 1, 2020 at 11:49 pm

    If Trump comes down with Covid, is it a net political positive or negative for him?

    If he were to become bedridden for 2 weeks or so, would he demand the election be postponed?

  213. 213.

    jl

    October 1, 2020 at 11:49 pm

    @Mai Naem mobile: An outbreak that brought down multiple very high profile Trumpsters was bound to happen sooner or later. With lots of high risk close mixing, with lax and spotty precautions, and for those reasons, mixing in a network of people with much higher than average risk, just a matter of time.

    Edit: Forgot that this is not the first outbreak to get close to people like Trump and Hannity.

  214. 214.

    Amir Khalid

    October 1, 2020 at 11:50 pm

    @Kent:

    Those who succeed at being vile have typically learned how to conceal their vileness when tactics require.

  215. 215.

    Kent

    October 1, 2020 at 11:50 pm

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka):

    @Kent:

    Were they all freaked out about that National Guard operation in 2014 or 2015?

    No, they just hated Obama and “Hitlery” with a passion.

    Most of the state just floated through the early 2000s basically apathetic about politics with low turnout and the GOP crazies took advantage.  Apparently that is finally starting to change.

    Texans have never been that full of anti-immigrant MAGA types.  They like them some Mexicans.  Who else is going to mow the lawn and build the cheap houses and work in all the factories?  They just don’t want them to vote.   George W Bush actually pretty much perfectly captured the Texas political zeitgeist much better than Trump.  He was a perfect fake Texan and they loved him because most Texans are actual fake Texans.

  216. 216.

    bluehill

    October 1, 2020 at 11:50 pm

    I think Putin has ordered all the popcorn available in Russia and probably seized any supplies in Belarus and Ukraine.

  217. 217.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 1, 2020 at 11:50 pm

    @Kent:

    I got nuffin, then again I’ve never been wowed by Gavin.

  218. 218.

    Geoduck

    October 1, 2020 at 11:51 pm

    @lamh36:  Anyone, any reports on how exactly the diagnosis leaked out?

  219. 219.

    Morzer

    October 1, 2020 at 11:52 pm

    https://twitter.com/spettypi/status/1311848432882118662

    Trump links Hope getting COVID to being around service members: “It is very, very hard when you are with people from the military, and they come over to you and they want to hug you and kiss you because we really have done a good job for them. You get close, and things happen.”

  220. 220.

    lamh36

    October 1, 2020 at 11:52 pm

    @marklar: not just about his proximity to Trump.

    Apparently Hicks was maskless in a van w/aides and other staff before the debate and times after.  The WH knew about her positive result at some point and tried to cover it up but a reporter got wind and reported it.

    It’s about who Hicks came into contact with during all this time.  If she is symptomatic, she’s been carrying and spreading the virus for longer than a minute

  221. 221.

    jl

    October 1, 2020 at 11:53 pm

    @oldgold: As Adam and others put, we’ve been through the map and off the looking glass for quite a while.

    But there are laws and rules for what happens if a candidate is incapacitated, so no postponing elections. But, if there is doubt about whether one or more of GOP ticket is incapacitated, or the extent of the damage, then it will get interesting.

    Edit: but I think the SATSQ for the MAGAs, yeah, obviously a Deep State plot. What it could be, who knows and who cares? But something.

  222. 222.

    Kent

    October 1, 2020 at 11:53 pm

    @Mai Naem mobile:@Kent: Newsom had a messy personal life. I can’t believe even in California he became Lt Gov. I believe he screwed around with his best friends wife/girlfriend which is just  really shitty behavior. I don’t really care about people’s personal lives but screwing around with your best friends partner just makes me question somebody’s judgement and assholishness.

    So he probably just married her back then because she was young and hot and ambitious and looked to make a perfect political wife.  Transactional.

  223. 223.

    lamh36

    October 1, 2020 at 11:54 pm

    @Mousebumples: If they’ve known since Wednesday, then either no one told Chump co, or he’s lying about being tested?

    There is NO WAY they would wait to test the POTUS if a close aide tested positive.

    But this isn’t a normal presidency, as we know.

  224. 224.

    Mike in NC

    October 1, 2020 at 11:54 pm

    @Mai Naem mobile:  I personally fear all of the upcoming schadenfreude over the next month is going to cause me to overdose.

  225. 225.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    October 1, 2020 at 11:54 pm

    @Kent:

    I’m glad to hear that Texas may be beginning to change

    By the way, how did your daughter’s debate report go? Did the teacher just cancel the project and give everyone credit? ?

  226. 226.

    lgerard

    October 1, 2020 at 11:55 pm

    @catclub:

    How about this example from a few days ago:

    “We’re sending hundreds of thousands of additional rapid tests to nursing homes,” he said at a news briefing last week. “The staff now is being tested on a very, very powerful and on a regular basis, but very strongly at the finest level, the highest level, and the best tests.”

    It sounds like a bad translation by an inexperienced tourist from an obscure foreign language

  227. 227.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    October 1, 2020 at 11:55 pm

    If Trump tests positive for COVID-19, it simply means that we’re absolutely, positively rounding the corner.

  228. 228.

    TS (the original)

    October 1, 2020 at 11:56 pm

    @marklar:

    For those here worried that Trump could have passed it on to Biden, that’s highly unlikely.

    Shame there isn’t a guideline from the CDC so everyone could have the same knowledge.

    My understanding is that you are contagious at least 2-3 days before symptoms show, so Hicks was certainly contagious at the debates. Whether she had passed it on to trump by then – who knows, although he had his “fast test” before the debate, so maybe not.  I heard she was not wearing a mask & was backstage. Who knows how close she was to Biden, who is always friendly to both sides.

  229. 229.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    October 1, 2020 at 11:57 pm

    @jl:

    I hope Trump doesn’t die because I don’t want any sympathy votes for Trump or people “coming home” to vote for Pence

  230. 230.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 1, 2020 at 11:57 pm

    @oldgold: If he were to become bedridden for 2 weeks or so, would he demand the election be postponed?

    People are already voting.  People have already voted.  I have my vote-by-mail ballot sitting next to me.  The election (and defeat of the Soviet shitpile mobster conman) is underway.

    Also, the states run their own elections.  Democratic secretaries of state can tell Dump to go suck Putin’s asshole.

  231. 231.

    lamh36

    October 1, 2020 at 11:57 pm

    What about Pence.  Was Hicks also in close proximity to him. Cause I don’t want Pence no where near Kamala for the VP debate next week.  Make it a Zoom debate if they have to, or put Pence in a booth…

  232. 232.

    jl

    October 1, 2020 at 11:58 pm

    @lgerard: No kinda of testing no matter how bigly best and top, do it every two hours, whatever, can protect individuals or small groups who engage in high risk behavior.

    It’s great for outbreak control, but in that case, it is working the averages to prevent a large outbreak, and preventing another sustained and disastrous epidemic wave. Random individuals will still come down with cases, fantastic top testing or not.

  233. 233.

    catclub

    October 1, 2020 at 11:59 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Challenging this very hinky one drop box per county order in the courts seems to me the logical response.

     

    Abbott does not care if it was legal. They will tie it up in court as long as possible. And appeal.

  234. 234.

    NotMax

    October 2, 2020 at 12:01 am

    OT-ish.

    Not in my wheelhouse but there are those here who in the past have expressed interest in Queen Elizabeth.

    And as we’re sort of talking Christmas anyway, this one minute report.

  235. 235.

    jl

    October 2, 2020 at 12:02 am

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka): I think any politician in the reelection getting very seriously ill, or worse, would just be bad news at this point. I have to hope for the best for everyone, though kind of ashamed to admit I am not enthusiastic about having to do that for some.

    We don’t need any more weird and destabilizing developments of any sort.

  236. 236.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 2, 2020 at 12:03 am

    Heh

    BREAKING: The president just announced that he can't release the results of his Covid test because they're under audit.— Jerry ? (@js_edit) October 2, 2020

  237. 237.

    catclub

    October 2, 2020 at 12:03 am

    @jl: Edit: but I think the SATSQ for the MAGAs, yeah, obviously a Deep State plot.

     

    Did you know that the  Trump plan to sweep  the floors of timberlands is being blocked by Deep Forest? They are all federal lands after all.

  238. 238.

    Leto

    October 2, 2020 at 12:03 am

    @Morzer: Blaming military members again. Another bullet in the chamber for Biden.

    You get close, and things happen.

    He hasn’t had a grenade shoved up his ass, so i don’t think he’s been close enough. This just really fucking irritates me.

  239. 239.

    TS (the original)

    October 2, 2020 at 12:04 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    I’ve no idea – but it’s being done to make sure the “votes are protected from fraud” and I don’t know enough about Texas to know how the courts would reply – I suspect they would support the governor.

  240. 240.

    debbie

    October 2, 2020 at 12:04 am

    @Anya:

    Thanks. I totally missed that entire episode.

  241. 241.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    October 2, 2020 at 12:04 am

    No Rachel Maddow rebroadcast tonight.

    I’ll bet anyone on this thread that Trump does not know the dictionary definition of quarantine.

  242. 242.

    cain

    October 2, 2020 at 12:04 am

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka):

    I think most would just stay home.. Nobody gives a shit about Pence. They want Donald. Some might, but it wont be the same and all the down tickets will suffer as well.

    But mostly I’m hoping that the fool gets sick and won’t have the energy to contest anything because he’ll be out of commission. Of course, then Pence will have to take over but boy that kid isn’t ready for the big time.

  243. 243.

    jl

    October 2, 2020 at 12:05 am

    @catclub: I’ve heard Deep State land managers have hidden all the rakes and brooms.

  244. 244.

    Amir Khalid

    October 2, 2020 at 12:06 am

    @lgerard:

    English is clearly not Trump’s first language, even if it’s the only one he knows at all. What on earth does it mean to be tested for coronavirus on a powerful basis? Does a humongous 350lb weightlifter stick the swab up your nose?

  245. 245.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 2, 2020 at 12:06 am

    @catclub:

    I wonder if the county officials have the guts to just ignore him and secure the boxes anyway.

  246. 246.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    October 2, 2020 at 12:06 am

    I old enough to remember when Dump said Hydroxychloroquine would prevent Covid contraction.

  247. 247.

    cain

    October 2, 2020 at 12:07 am

    @lamh36: It’s about who Hicks came into contact with during all this time. If she is symptomatic, she’s been carrying and spreading the virus for longer than a minute

    That will be some hilarious shit if Hicks is complacency manages to put most of the senior administration officials out of commission. While I don’t desire their deaths, I will be happy with them seeing them out of the game and not causing harm.

  248. 248.

    TS (the original)

    October 2, 2020 at 12:08 am

    MSNBC reporting on Hope Hicks – shows picture of Miller walking alongside Hicks to an event.

    Interesting events.

    Edit: I went to see the Rachel repeat, I either have the times wrong or they are letting Brian go with this news.

  249. 249.

    debbie

    October 2, 2020 at 12:08 am

    @lamh36:

    The BBC reported just now that she became symptomatic in Minnesota, so that would have been about 14 days after she caught the virus.

    Maybe he already has it; they’re self-quarantining for two weeks. Imagine how many tweets will be sweatily tweeted!

  250. 250.

    KsSteve

    October 2, 2020 at 12:08 am

    @lamh36:  Will  Merriam Webster add “shit show” to the next edition?

  251. 251.

    cain

    October 2, 2020 at 12:09 am

    @Morzer:

    That’s some serious lying.. imagine the military being so exuberant as to senior white house officials like they were some aunt they were fond of. There is military protocol to adhere to.

    Otherwise you’re saying that they don’t run a tight ship over there.

  252. 252.

    TS (the original)

    October 2, 2020 at 12:12 am

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka):

    I hope Trump doesn’t die

    I’m with you on this one. I’d like him to get covid-19 after the election, not before.

  253. 253.

    Morzer

    October 2, 2020 at 12:12 am

    @cain: Trump might as well admit that he does indeed think that the military are losers and suckers. He’s still using them as scapegoats for his own grotesque inadequacy and corrupt behavior.

  254. 254.

    cain

    October 2, 2020 at 12:12 am

    @jl:

    On the other hand, if it just affects Republican politicians.. imagine if a couple senators croak making it difficult to seat a SC nominee. What if the nominee itself got sick.

    There would be outright panic.. the Russian bots will know what to do though.

  255. 255.

    The Moar You Know

    October 2, 2020 at 12:12 am

    If Trump comes down with Covid, is it a net political positive or negative for him?

    If he were to become bedridden for 2 weeks or so, would he demand the election be postponed?

    @oldgold: if he gets sick enough to be “bedridden” for two weeks, at his age and with his risk factors, the election will no longer be of any concern to him as he will be dead.

  256. 256.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    October 2, 2020 at 12:14 am

    @David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:

    At this time of breaking news, let us not forget this classic golden oldie:

    So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous – whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light and I think you said that hasn’t been checked but you’re going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside of the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting. And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?

  257. 257.

    cain

    October 2, 2020 at 12:15 am

    @lamh36: Perhaps he can do it from the 3rd floor of the Minneapolis Airport in the bathroom?

  258. 258.

    Danielx

    October 2, 2020 at 12:15 am

    @lgerard:

    Only the best word salad.

  259. 259.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 2, 2020 at 12:16 am

    @lgerard: Powerful basis!  This asshole murders the English language every time he opens his orange butthole mouth.

  260. 260.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 2, 2020 at 12:16 am

    Katie Porter (D-CA) broke out the whiteboard again today.

    The shy gazers have had a lovely night.

    How many moons are there?

  261. 261.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    October 2, 2020 at 12:16 am

    @Patricia Kayden:

    For the win!

  262. 262.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 2, 2020 at 12:17 am

    @Danielx: “I’m luxurious at word salad, you losers!  SAD!”

  263. 263.

    Kent

    October 2, 2020 at 12:17 am

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka):

    I’m glad to hear that Texas may be beginning to change

    By the way, how did your daughter’s debate report go? Did the teacher just cancel the project and give everyone credit? ?

    He hasn’t graded it yet and they haven’t talked about it yet because they are on every-other-day zoom sessions with their classes.  Tomorrow I expect they will talk about the debate.

    I’m more interested in how it went then she was.  She just wanted to get it finished and then run off to the basement to hang out with her gamer friends.

  264. 264.

    prostratedragon

    October 2, 2020 at 12:18 am

    @Cheryl Rofer:  Either the Russian bounties that someone mentioned or the closely-related “military losers” exposé?

  265. 265.

    MisterForkbeard

    October 2, 2020 at 12:18 am

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka): I’m with you on this one. If Trump dies, you can bet there’s going to be trawling of Democratic tweets and media responses from the past several months where Dems say things like “Maybe he’d take it more seriously if he caught it”.

    And then the Rs and Media would spend the next few weeks making Trump into a martyr and Democrats into bullies, because they actually wanted Trump to be careful. And he refused.

  266. 266.

    NotMax

    October 2, 2020 at 12:18 am

    @TS (the original)

    There are individual counties in Texas encompassing more square miles than the entire state of Rhode Island. Imagine if RI mandated only one drop box in the state.

    Just sayin’.

  267. 267.

    Geoduck

    October 2, 2020 at 12:19 am

    @KsSteve: They’ll probably go with “omnishambles”.

  268. 268.

    Danielx

    October 2, 2020 at 12:19 am

    @Wyatt Salamanca:

    On the current time scale, wasn’t that like six years ago?

  269. 269.

    jl

    October 2, 2020 at 12:20 am

    When you think about it, the childishness is amazing. Wear masks all the time, stay six feet apart, don’t shake hands, and the washing and good hygiene routine. Pretty much done on prevention, and can get a lot done that way. But… no…

    So, is this like the third or fourth outbreak at the top of the WH? They don’t learn, won’t learn, don’t want to learn. At least the Dear Leader doesn’t.

    Edit: and I forgot about the WH Secret Service outbreaks. Yeesh.

  270. 270.

    Kent

    October 2, 2020 at 12:20 am

    @TS (the original):I’m with you on this one. I’d like him to get covid-19 after the election, not before.

    I could give a shit about Trump.  What I want is for the 5 or 6 oldest GOP Senators to all come down with Covid before the SCOTUS hearings and then spend 2 months on respirators under sedation until Congress adjourns in late December.

    And then a couple of GOP appointed Justices to come down with Covid as well.

    I’m afraid we won’t get that lucky.

  271. 271.

    TS (the original)

    October 2, 2020 at 12:21 am

    @lamh36:

    What about Pence.  Was Hicks also in close proximity to him.

    Talking about contact tracing, or lack thereof on MSNBC. Reporters should be concerned if trump decides to carry on his campaign  No way I would be flying on AF1 until after 2 weeks quarantine. And many reporters were with Hope Hicks in recent days.

    In my part of the world, everyone at the debate & everyone who travelled with Hope over the past week would be in 2 weeks quarantine – going nowhere – not work, not shopping, not exercise.

    If I was a Biden staffer I probably would be freaking out about Biden being close to these people at the debate.

  272. 272.

    Kent

    October 2, 2020 at 12:21 am

    @NotMax:

    @TS (the original)

    There are individual counties in Texas encompassing more square miles than the entire state of Rhode Island. Imagine if RI mandated only one drop box in the state.

    Just sayin’.

    This ain’t about any of those big counties in West Texas.  This is about suppressing the Black and Latino vote in Harris County (Houston).  And to a lesser extent the liberal vote in Austin.  Those were the only counties, to my knowledge, that were even doing drop boxes in the first place.  They aren’t normally a thing in Texas.

    What is normal is early voting where they have the polls open daily at central locations for early voting for a couple of weeks prior to the election.  If you are in a white part of TX it is super easy and convenient to do early voting.

  273. 273.

    scav

    October 2, 2020 at 12:22 am

    @Morzer: Boy we’ve come a long way from Don’t ask don’t tell.  Hugging and kissing have replaced salutes!

  274. 274.

    Yutsano

    October 2, 2020 at 12:22 am

    @Geoduck: @Kent:  I wouldn’t worry about it. The whole plan was for the nomination to land firmly in Eyman’s lap so he could try to make a good go of it and Culp would just be an also-ran. Eyman, the idiot that he is, totally misread where the Republican party in Washington is. Culp appealed to the lawnord’r types (did you know he’s a sheriff?) and racist Evangelicals in Bellevue, Chehalis, and the East Side. Culp ended up catching the car and now he’s sticking to whatever Inslee is for he’s against. Granted Inslee stuck his foot in it today by threatening Boeing but I don’t see that as killing him on the Wet Side.  I’m having a hard time imagining that much ticket splitting up here.

  275. 275.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    October 2, 2020 at 12:23 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    What does it mean to look into something very strongly?

    Greta Thunberg’s understanding of English grammar is significantly better than Trump.

    No politician has ever butchered the English language like this maniac.

  276. 276.

    gwangung

    October 2, 2020 at 12:23 am

    @TS (the original):

    If I was a Biden staffer I probably would be freaking out about Biden being close to these people at the debate.

    That’s my BIG fear.

  277. 277.

    Miss Bianca

    October 2, 2020 at 12:23 am

    @Kristine:

    like an Advent card but for crime.

    Perfect.

  278. 278.

    jl

    October 2, 2020 at 12:24 am

    @Wyatt Salamanca: strongly = bigly + winning. Everyone knows that. The best people, people so big you wouldn’t believe it, have come to me, called me ‘Sir’, wept, and told me that, privately.

  279. 279.

    HumboldtBlue

    October 2, 2020 at 12:25 am

    @NotMax:

    Humboldt County at 4.052K square miles is four times the size of Rhode Island.

  280. 280.

    NotMax

    October 2, 2020 at 12:25 am

    @Kent

    Trivia:

    Yes, there really is a Jeff Davis county in Texas.

  281. 281.

    TS (the original)

    October 2, 2020 at 12:25 am

    @NotMax:

    There are individual counties in Texas encompassing more square miles than the entire state of Rhode Island.

    Wouldn’t those counties be mainly filled with trump supporters? Maybe Gov Abbott didn’t think this through?

    @Kent:  Thanks for the update – I didn’t  know that –  makes sense as to what Abbott usually does.

  282. 282.

    Morzer

    October 2, 2020 at 12:26 am

    @scav: It’s getting so a president can’t even hole up in his bunker without being drenched in precious bodily essences by adoring members of the military.

  283. 283.

    Kent

    October 2, 2020 at 12:27 am

    @Yutsano:@Geoduck: @Kent:  I wouldn’t worry about it. The whole plan was for the nomination to land firmly in Eyman’s lap so he could try to make a good go of it and Culp would just be an also-ran. Eyman, the idiot that he is, totally misread where the Republican party in Washington is. Culp appealed to the lawnord’r types (did you know he’s a sheriff?) and racist Evangelicals in Bellevue, Chehalis, and the East Side. Culp ended up catching the car and now he’s sticking to whatever Inslee is for he’s against. Granted Inslee stuck his foot in it today by threatening Boeing but I don’t see that as killing him on the Wet Side.  I’m having a hard time imagining that much ticket splitting up here.

    No, I’m not worried about Culp.   He’s actually a good thing because he taints all the other GOP candidates with his crazy just by getting close to them.   There was going to be some GOP candidate for governor.  Might as well be a crazy small town sheriff from at town in eastern WA of about 2000 people.  I wouldn’t be half surprised if he turned out to be Q-anon as well.  He fits the profile.

    I would be more worried about some senior GOP daddy type in the Mitt Romney mold.  But WA doesn’t seem to produce those types anymore.  The last one was Slade Gorton.

  284. 284.

    dmsilev

    October 2, 2020 at 12:28 am

    @oldgold:

    If he were to become bedridden for 2 weeks or so, would he demand the election be postponed?

    He can demand whatever he wants, but the more important question is will anyone listen? And, as far as delaying an election because he caught the hoax-virus, I can’t imagine that there are very many Republican Governors or Secretaries of State willing to crawl out on that limb for him.

  285. 285.

    catclub

    October 2, 2020 at 12:28 am

    @Wyatt Salamanca: So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous – whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light

     

    This made me think of putting Trump in the hohlraum of a nuclear weapon. Actually I just wanted to remember the word ‘hohlraum’.

    The idea of reflecting x-rays is amazing.

  286. 286.

    Kent

    October 2, 2020 at 12:29 am

    @TS (the original):Wouldn’t those counties be mainly filled with trump supporters? Maybe Gov Abbott didn’t think this through?

    No, he knows what he is doing.  The only places that were even using multiple drop boxes in the first place were Houston and Austin.  This is entirely about the Black and Hispanic vote in those two cities (and the liberal vote in Austin).  It has no meaningful effect anywhere else in TX.

  287. 287.

    Morzer

    October 2, 2020 at 12:29 am

    Evidence that the Lincoln Project is finally accepting our Feline Overlord:

    https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1311856330370547712

    Remind me never to make Steve angry.

  288. 288.

    Marcopolo

    October 2, 2020 at 12:30 am

    Probably already been said somewhere way way upthread but the Comey statement “Lordy let there be tapes” strikes again. Christ, what a bunch of taping assholes.

  289. 289.

    craigie

    October 2, 2020 at 12:31 am

    @Sebastian:

    Seems fair.

  290. 290.

    Bill Arnold

    October 2, 2020 at 12:32 am

    Anne Laurie, for a morning COVID-19 thread:
    [Serious] People from Reddit who survived Corona, how has your daily life changed? What are the side effects after?
    It is long (10k comments so far) and sobering. Snippet from a sample comment:

    A little comic relief: A guy in the bodega was refusing to wear his mask, saying it was fake and “no one even knows someone who really had it” and I was so incensed, my wife still in the hospital, neighbors dying left and right, that I decided “fuck it, I’m gonna punch this man in the face despite knowing what a horrible idea that is and that it solves nothing.”
    But I was still so weak my body was like “nah bro, you aren’t gonna do that.” And I walked home and cried for the first time in my adult life.
    I hope there is a reckoning. Really. I don’t want people to get hurt…but I want to see this entire administration thrown in prison. And that’s about as civil as I can be at the moment.

  291. 291.

    Emma from FL

    October 2, 2020 at 12:36 am

    Jesus Christ. Spend a lovely evening listening to Pentatonix. Decide to take a quick drive-by to BJ before bed. And the fucking world has been set on fire again. What’s that, six times in 48 hours?

    No wonder people want Biden. The man exudes calm and patience and “don’t worry honey, I’ll take care of the monsters under the bed.”

  292. 292.

    Morzer

    October 2, 2020 at 12:38 am

    @Emma from FL: So you missed the ten alarming moments and trends that occurred while you were writing your comment.

    Joking aside, I am starting to have visions of stadiums full of people chanting  “We want boredom! We want boredom!”

  293. 293.

    Miss Bianca

    October 2, 2020 at 12:38 am

    @WaterGirl:

    Do they simply wake up one day and see which way the wind is blowing and realize that if they don’t hop on the bus now, it may be too late for them to be part of polite society for the rest of their lives?

    Yeah, pretty much.

  294. 294.

    Emma from FL

    October 2, 2020 at 12:39 am

    @Morzer: I don’t think I worry about those anymore. Reserving my brain glucose levels for the big stuff.

  295. 295.

    Another Scott

    October 2, 2020 at 12:42 am

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Herman Cain died on July 30 and fits your timeline pretty well.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  296. 296.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    October 2, 2020 at 12:43 am

    @jl:

    @catclub:

    Trump is the Mt. Everest of stupidity.  I only hope we have the good fortune of seeing this babbling buffoon stand trial after he leaves office.

  297. 297.

    Danielx

    October 2, 2020 at 12:44 am

    @TS (the original):

    Got that right. We have a niece who lives in Redding who got Covid-19, and the same day her test came back positive the California state health authorities called her and said fourteen day quarantine for you, no passing GO, no $200.

    Niece by marriage, a good kid but has drunk evangelical Christian kool-aid. As has her mom, a physician…who is a good person, love her dearly, has helped us a lot with the daughter unit’s health issues. But she’s going to vote for Trump, because soshulism. And because she believes what she hears at the megachurch she attends, at which she went through the whole body baptism thing a few years back. Originally Catholic, but now regards Catholics as pagans.

    If I ever hear a word from her about how character counts or about how personal morality in political leaders is important, I’m going to be hard pressed not to piss on her shoes.

  298. 298.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 2, 2020 at 12:44 am

    @Amir Khalid: I guess bases (plural of basis) can be very powerful in Soviet Russia.

  299. 299.

    featheredsprite

    October 2, 2020 at 12:44 am

    @Amir Khalid: Somebody will take it to court. Texas judges have been busy ruling on voting issues.

  300. 300.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 2, 2020 at 12:46 am

    @David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch: Inject bleach into your ass, and swallow a lightbulb!

  301. 301.

    Danielx

    October 2, 2020 at 12:46 am

    @Morzer:

    and about time.

  302. 302.

    prostratedragon

    October 2, 2020 at 12:46 am

    @dmsilev:  After all, the Faun spoke so kindly to the child.

  303. 303.

    Leto

    October 2, 2020 at 12:46 am

    @Bill Arnold:

     

    I caught it from a patron who visited the bar I worked at in March. He was laughing about coming back to the UK from Italy, which had the worst rate of infection at the time.

    I was really ill and couldn’t really breathe for a long time and ended up with pneumonia and cracked ribs from coughing. No doctors wanted to see me and I couldn’t get a test because it was so early on, so I had to manage by myself from home. I was exhausted all the time and worried that I wouldn’t wake up because I was too tired to breathe by myself. I recovered after about three weeks and managed okay from then until it came back again in July.

    It was so much worse the second time. I have spoken to about 15 different doctors and they all say it’s more likely to have been reactivation rather than catching it for a second time, but I ended up in hospital with oxygen saturation of 88%. I was unconscious in the ambulance and had to go to A&E but myself as my boyfriend wasn’t allowed with me. It was incredibly scary. They let me go with some oxygen canisters and serious monitoring for the next four weeks.

    Since then I have stopped coughing but the fatigue is unreal and I am experiencing what I would call “Covid brain” . I still have scarring on my lungs, and I’m not sure that I will ever be as well as I was before again. Occasionally my cough will come back but most of the time now it’s the not being able to work or move all that much. Everything is exhausting.

    All of this because someone decided they’d rather have a pint of beer than save lives. I nearly died at the hospital. He doesn’t know me or the effect he’s had on my life, But I hope a tiny part of him feels guilty. I’m desperately sad and angry.

  304. 304.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    October 2, 2020 at 12:53 am

    @Marcopolo:

    Lordy, I hope the Trump family gets its own private wing in a federal prison sometime after this election.

  305. 305.

    Leto

    October 2, 2020 at 12:54 am

    @Wyatt Salamanca: Gen pop. I want’ em with everyone else. They’re not special.

  306. 306.

    NotMax

    October 2, 2020 at 12:56 am

    Both Dolt 45 and Melania test positive, as of newest announcement a few minutes ago.

  307. 307.

    peej01

    October 2, 2020 at 12:56 am

    Trump and Melania have now tested positive for Covid-19, per MSNBC.

    They’re showing film of HH walking with Jared and Steven Miller….I hope they get it too (yeah, I’m bad).

  308. 308.

    trnc

    October 2, 2020 at 12:56 am

    Positive!

    ETA: according to Brian Williams.

  309. 309.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    October 2, 2020 at 12:57 am

    Per Brian Wms He Tested Positive

  310. 310.

    grammypat

    October 2, 2020 at 12:57 am

    The Toxic Toddler and his wife are both positive for Covid-19

  311. 311.

    emrys

    October 2, 2020 at 12:57 am

    Trump tested positive

  312. 312.

    TS (the original)

    October 2, 2020 at 12:58 am

    Just heard it. Unbelievable. No masks.

    I fear for Biden. With that vulture spitting his hate all over the stage.

  313. 313.

    Quinerly

    October 2, 2020 at 12:58 am

    @peej01: thoughts and prayers, motherfuckers!

  314. 314.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    October 2, 2020 at 12:58 am

    @NotMax: @peej01:  @trnc:

    How’s that corner looking now?

  315. 315.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 2, 2020 at 12:59 am

    @Wyatt Salamanca: Trump is the Mt. Everest of stupidity.

    No, dude.  Dump is the Olympus Mons of stupidity.  (No offense, Mars!)

  316. 316.

    Jackie

    October 2, 2020 at 1:00 am

    @Geoduck: That would equate to Washingtonians voting for Trump. Not happening.

  317. 317.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    October 2, 2020 at 1:00 am

    @Leto:

    I look forward to having toast to celebrate Trumpenstein’s conviction.

  318. 318.

    MomSense

    October 2, 2020 at 1:01 am

    Trump and a Melania have covid!

  319. 319.

    gwangung

    October 2, 2020 at 1:01 am

    @TS (the original): Deeply ugly if it only affects the toddler mildly and it wreaks havoc with Biden.

  320. 320.

    Another Scott

    October 2, 2020 at 1:01 am

    Congratulation to great friend of the Kazakh people @realDonaldTrump for winning debate today! Impressive and amazing result for a strong premier who always put America and Kazakhstan first! pic.twitter.com/qLljQ8b5UU

    — Republic of Kazakhstan ?? (@KazakhstanGovt) September 30, 2020

    I assume the video in the Tweet was one of the one’s they’re showing in LA/TX ?? Then again, maybe not…

    Hehe.

    (via Popehat)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  321. 321.

    MomSense

    October 2, 2020 at 1:02 am

    Holy shit they have covid!!’

  322. 322.

    Miss Bianca

    October 2, 2020 at 1:02 am

    @NotMax: What? For fucking real?

    Lord, I hope Joe doesn’t get it from standing on that stage with that mad orange monster spraying spittle into the air for 90 minutes.

  323. 323.

    TS (the original)

    October 2, 2020 at 1:03 am

    @gwangung:

    Deeply ugly whatever happens. And if the fool gets a sympathy vote I will resign from life.

  324. 324.

    danielx

    October 2, 2020 at 1:03 am

    @Quinerly:

    My thoughts and prayers would be considered seriously unChristian.

  325. 325.

    Another Scott

    October 2, 2020 at 1:04 am

    So much for quarantining/waiting for his test results to come back – POTUS daily schedule has him going to a donor event at the Trump Hotel in DC and then Fla for a rally.

    — Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) October 2, 2020

    Why would anyone think otherwise? He lies about everything.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  326. 326.

    Mike in NC

    October 2, 2020 at 1:04 am

    But Fat Bastard insisted for two months that it was all a Demoncrat hoax to make him look bad.

  327. 327.

    guachi

    October 2, 2020 at 1:04 am

    I’m not certain what to think now. Does Trump croak and Pence gets elected? Are the debates off? I guess it’s wait and see.

  328. 328.

    Steeplejack

    October 2, 2020 at 1:05 am

    Brian Williams doing a live report on NBC right now confirming that Trump has tested positive for COVID-19. (Melania, too.) This is beyond the “quarantine process.”

  329. 329.

    gwangung

    October 2, 2020 at 1:05 am

    @TS (the original): Yeah, not good at all….

  330. 330.

    Kent

    October 2, 2020 at 1:07 am

    Yep..   BBC news flash on my phone 15 second ago says Both Trump and Melania tested positive.

    Wow…..

  331. 331.

    guachi

    October 2, 2020 at 1:08 am

    It’s confirmed on Trump’s Twitter.

  332. 332.

    NotMax

    October 2, 2020 at 1:08 am

    @Wyatt Salamanca

    No corners in the Oval Office.

    //

  333. 333.

    Fair Economist

    October 2, 2020 at 1:09 am

    @peej01:

    Trump and Melania have now tested positive for Covid-19, per MSNBC.

    Can somebody have a talk with the scriptwriters about too many twists for plausibility?

  334. 334.

    Kent

    October 2, 2020 at 1:09 am

    @TS (the original):Deeply ugly whatever happens. And if the fool gets a sympathy vote I will resign from life.

    Yeah.  But seriously.  How would that even work?   I was gonna vote for Biden but now that Trump has Covid I’m changing my mind?

  335. 335.

    TS (the original)

    October 2, 2020 at 1:10 am

    @guachi:

    I don’t usually quote trump – but here it is

    Tonight, @FLOTUS and I tested positive for COVID-19. We will begin our quarantine and recovery process immediately. We will get through this TOGETHER!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 2, 2020

  336. 336.

    TS (the original)

    October 2, 2020 at 1:11 am

    @Kent:

    I was gonna vote for Biden but now that Trump has Covid I’m changing my mind?

    I put nothing beyond the brain of a US  republican voter any more.

  337. 337.

    danielx

    October 2, 2020 at 1:14 am

    @TS (the original):

    Right. And Fat Bastard will have the finest health care money can buy, courtesy of our tax dollars. God does have a sense of humor (black).

  338. 338.

    TS (the original)

    October 2, 2020 at 1:15 am

    Share market futures are in the read. Who would have thought.

  339. 339.

    MisterForkbeard

    October 2, 2020 at 1:18 am

    @TS (the original): I really hope he doesn’t die from this – sympathy votes, martyrdom, the works.

    But I’ll be even MORE pissed if the fucker gave it to Biden when he was yelling sending spittle across that stage.

  340. 340.

    West of the Rockies

    October 2, 2020 at 1:19 am

    Positive.  Wow.  Holy shit.

  341. 341.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 2, 2020 at 1:27 am

    @Mike in NC: But Fat Bastard insisted for two months that it was all a Demoncrat hoax to make him look bad.

    Shit!  Dump should drop out of the race NOW if the Democratic party can turn hoaxes into reality!

    ETA – Dump should also resign (for his fat, orange fascist health), and Dunce too!

  342. 342.

    ...now I try to be amused

    October 2, 2020 at 1:27 am

    Trump had the example of Boris Johnson but he wouldn’t heed it.

  343. 343.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 2, 2020 at 1:31 am

    @Kent: Yeah. But seriously. How would that even work? I was gonna vote for Biden but now that Trump has Covid I’m changing my mind?

    I should open my ballot now and vote for Biden so I don’t suffer from a pang of…

    Fuck ’em.  Fuck the Soviet shitpile mobster conman and his Eurotrash 3rd wife.

  344. 344.

    Ian

    October 2, 2020 at 1:46 am

    @TS (the original): Should get stricken down pretty quick.  You can’t change election procedure this close to an election.  I saw tweets from the Texas dem party chairman to that effect earlier.  As to the courts backing us up… ?

  345. 345.

    Amir Khalid

    October 2, 2020 at 1:47 am

    @Steeplejack:

    Symptomatic or not, I can think of two good reasons to put Trump in hospital. First, a man his age and with his health issues could go downhill very quickly. Second, he cannot be trusted to observe a fortnight’s strict quarantine. And it would serve him right to have to campaign via Zoom from his hospital room.

    Okay, that was three.

  346. 346.

    Elizabelle

    October 2, 2020 at 2:20 am

    @Kristine:   October as an Advent Calendar for crime.  Good one.

  347. 347.

    a thousand flouncing lurkers was fidelio

    October 2, 2020 at 3:20 am

    @Kent: Southernmost  Mississippi is also going to be within reach of the New Orleans/Baton Rouge media markets too, I suspect.

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