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You are here: Home / Elections / Biden-Harris 2020 / Open Thread: Joe and Kamala LIVE! Soul of the Nation in AZ

Open Thread: Joe and Kamala LIVE! Soul of the Nation in AZ

by TaMara|  October 8, 20205:33 pm| 28 Comments

This post is in: Biden-Harris 2020, Election 2020, Open Threads, Politics

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We have the opportunity to elect a leader who will unify this nation. And that leader is @JoeBiden. We don't have a moment to waste. https://t.co/Q2RbOQZwv9 pic.twitter.com/rau5qvJyZf

— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) October 8, 2020

I again will again put in a plug for Biden’s speech at Gettysburg here. It will lift your spirits.

 

Open thread

ETA: I hate to derail a positive Biden-Harris thread, but this seems ominous:

VP Pence, in Arizona now, has cancelled events in Indiana tomorrow and will be returning to Washington instead

— Jonathan Lemire (@JonLemire) October 8, 2020

 

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  1. 1.

    Elizabelle

    October 8, 2020 at 5:40 pm

    Thank you for these, TaMara. Very helpful.

    Even with no ducks. Or scarves.

  2. 2.

    TaMara (HFG)

    October 8, 2020 at 5:40 pm

    This seems ominous:

    VP Pence, in Arizona now, has cancelled events in Indiana tomorrow and will be returning to Washington instead

    — Jonathan Lemire (@JonLemire) October 8, 2020

  3. 3.

    thylacine

    October 8, 2020 at 5:43 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): Either he’s got COVID, or Trump is getting worse.  Or both.

  4. 4.

    Elizabelle

    October 8, 2020 at 5:44 pm

    @TaMara (HFG):   Fun to speculate.  I got nothing.

    Of course, Nancy Smash did bring up the 25th Amendment today.  News got squashed by the arrests and presser WRT the Wolverine militia jackasses plotting against Governor Whitmer.

    Maybe on that note, there is more in that pipeline.  Michigan is famous as a hotbed for militias, but hardly alone.  Probably one in every state, sadly enough.

  5. 5.

    TaMara (HFG)

    October 8, 2020 at 5:44 pm

    @thylacine: As Adam says, we are through the looking glass and off the map.

  6. 6.

    peej01

    October 8, 2020 at 5:44 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): I can think of two possibilities: Pence has the ‘rona, or they’re concerned about Trump’s health.

  7. 7.

    Elizabelle

    October 8, 2020 at 5:44 pm

    @thylacine:   Both, please!

  8. 8.

    The Moar You Know

    October 8, 2020 at 5:45 pm

    VP Pence, in Arizona now, has cancelled events in Indiana tomorrow and will be returning to Washington instead

    I can think of only two reasons for this and both are bad fucking news.  Either that fly-attracting shit has the virus or Trump’s dying.

  9. 9.

    TaMara (HFG)

    October 8, 2020 at 5:47 pm

    Translation: Everything is shit, we’re all sick and gonna die

    Statement from VP’s office: “Nobody’s sick. There’s no positive tests. The VP is planning on traveling on Saturday and Monday. We’ll have more information on the vice president’s schedule next week soon.”

    Pence is currently at an event in Peoira, AZ.

    — Jonathan Lemire (@JonLemire) October 8, 2020

  10. 10.

    Anne Laurie

    October 8, 2020 at 5:49 pm

    Suspect it’s related to Pelosi’s announcement of “a commission to examine the 25th Amendment” in relation to the Oval Office Occupant.

    Not that the commission will get anywhere… but it’s just possible Trump will have a stroke while furiously responding to it.

    ETA:  See Cheryl’s fresh post up top!

  11. 11.

    Scout211

    October 8, 2020 at 5:50 pm

    @TaMara (HFG):

    Did you read the replies to that tweet?  OMG.  So funny:

    Like this one:

    https://twitter.com/isaacson_dori/status/1314302234688131074

  12. 12.

    Ken

    October 8, 2020 at 5:50 pm

    There’s a philosophical school that claims reality is shaped by our collective beliefs.  If that’s true, then the responses to those twitter threads just gave Pence corona, even if he didn’t have it when the travel arrangements were announced.

  13. 13.

    Elizabelle

    October 8, 2020 at 5:51 pm

    Nancy Smash has their attention.  WaPost:

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Rep. Jamie B. Raskin (D-Md.) plan to introduce legislation Friday that would create a commission to “help ensure effective and uninterrupted leadership” in the presidency.

    The panel would be called the Commission on Presidential Capacity to Discharge the Powers and Duties of Office, “the body and process called for in the 25th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution,” the offices of Pelosi and Raskin said in a statement announcing the move.

    The 25th Amendment formalizes that the vice president takes over the duties of the presidency in the event of a president’s death, inability to perform his duties or resignation from office. It also lays out a process by which a sitting president may be removed from office. Congress’s role in this, however, is limited.

    ….. Raskin introduced a similar measure in 2017 that would establish a congressionally appointed commission of physicians and top leaders who could evaluate the president’s health — both mental and physical — and work with the vice president on a transfer of power.

    At the time, the Maryland Democrat said the move was necessary because Trump had “thrown our country into chaos at every turn” since his inauguration that January.

    “For the security of our people and the safety of the Republic, we need to set up the ‘body’ called for in the 25th Amendment,” Raskin said in 2017. “The president can fire his entire Cabinet for asking the same question tens of millions of Americans are asking at their dinner tables, but he cannot fire Congress or the expert body we set up under the Constitution.”

    …. During an interview Wednesday on ABC News’s “The View,” Pelosi suggested that Trump’s covid-19 medications, which include steroids, may be having an effect on his mental capabilities.
    “I said yesterday to my colleagues, I said there are those who say that the steroids had an impact on people’s thinking. I don’t know, but there are those health-care providers who say that,” Pelosi said. “Also, if you have the coronavirus, it has an impact, as well.”

    Under the 25th Amendment, a president could be declared “disabled” and involuntarily removed from office by joint agreement of the vice president and a majority of the Cabinet, something that has never happened.

    In an event with the 92nd Street Y on Tuesday, Pelosi dismissed any suggestion of the 25th Amendment being used against Trump before the election.
    “I don’t think it would work for this president — this presidency,” she said.

    Because of that toxic, enabling, enfeebled Cabinet.

  14. 14.

    Immanentize

    October 8, 2020 at 6:00 pm

    @thylacine: Third option — Trump hated Pence’s debate performance and is dumping him for Ivanka.

  15. 15.

    Baud

    October 8, 2020 at 6:02 pm

    Biden campaign rakes in $12 million on Harris’ debate day

  16. 16.

    Ken

    October 8, 2020 at 6:06 pm

    @Baud: Big deal. The Trump campaign “misplaces” that much on a typical day.

  17. 17.

    thylacine

    October 8, 2020 at 6:07 pm

    @Immanentize: Ivanka whispered that idea in his roid-raged ear while the fly was doing its bit.

  18. 18.

    Uncle Cosmo

    October 8, 2020 at 6:14 pm

    Please fix the link in the OP, which goes to the AZ event, not the Gettysburg speech. I want to watch the latter.

  19. 19.

    TaMara (HFG)

    October 8, 2020 at 6:28 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo: Fixed!

  20. 20.

    Noncarborundum

    October 8, 2020 at 6:30 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo: There are a bunch on YouTube.  Here’s one: https://youtu.be/NKbhNPHxGdI

  21. 21.

    TS (the original)

    October 8, 2020 at 6:34 pm

    @TaMara (HFG):

    He’s going back to assure dear leader he will support him forever and never invoke the 25th

    Or to talk to Nancy Pelosi

    Or because he has covid

    Or because the campaign is out of money & won’t pay his expense bill

    Or because trump wants him back to yell at him

  22. 22.

    Geminid

    October 8, 2020 at 6:41 pm

    There are not that many days until the election, but I hope the Biden campaign finds time for Kamala Harris to campaign in Texas. In just a day, she could earn a ton of free local and state media coverage, and fly the flag to help rally Texas Democrats.

  23. 23.

    Baud

    October 8, 2020 at 6:42 pm

    Pence-Harris Matchup Draws 58 Million TV Viewers

    NYT > Top Stories / by John Koblin / 7min

    It was the second most-watched vice-presidential debate, according to Nielsen

  24. 24.

    burnspbesq

    October 8, 2020 at 6:57 pm

    @The Moar You Know: 

    I can think of only two reasons for this and both are bad fucking news. Either that fly-attracting shit has the virus or Trump’s dying.

    Maybe he forgot to pack enough socks and underwear.

  25. 25.

    Ken

    October 8, 2020 at 7:56 pm

    @Baud: How many viewers did the Biden-Trump debate get?  If it was less than the VP debate, that’s another reason Trump would have to call Pence back and yell at him.

  26. 26.

    randy khan

    October 8, 2020 at 7:58 pm

    @Immanentize:

    I had a thought along those lines.

  27. 27.

    Uncle Cosmo

    October 8, 2020 at 8:14 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): @Noncarborundum: Late getting back here, but thanky both kindly.

  28. 28.

    Ian

    October 9, 2020 at 7:34 am

    @Elizabelle: 
    One interesting question I havn’t seen answered about the 25th amendment, if the president catches word or suspects they are about to go through with it, what stops him from firing them/ asking for their resignation? The congress critters assumed a president incapacitated by stroke or coma, something that would prevent him/her from carrying out any duties. What happens if the president is just bug fuck enough to hang on? The only remaining answer to me seems impeachment, which we know the R senate won’t do.

    Great way to get under Trump’s skin, I’m just not sure it accomplishes anything else.

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