Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

“What are Republicans afraid of?” Everything.

People are complicated. Love is not.

Red lights blinking on democracy’s dashboard

And now I have baud making fun of me. this day can’t get worse.

When I was faster i was always behind.

Let the trolls come, and then ignore them. that’s the worst thing you can do to a troll.

These are not very smart people, and things got out of hand.

Everything is totally normal and fine!!!

Not loving this new fraud based economy.

Republicans want to make it harder to vote and easier for them to cheat.

We’re watching the self-immolation of the leading world power on a level unprecedented in human history.

People are weird.

Come on, man.

My right to basic bodily autonomy is not on the table. that’s the new deal.

It may be funny to you motherfucker, but it’s not funny to me.

Republicans: slavery is when you own me. freedom is when I own you.

Peak wingnut was a lie.

Some judge needs to shut this circus down soon.

The low info voters probably won’t even notice or remember by their next lap around the goldfish bowl.

They love authoritarianism, but only when they get to be the authoritarians.

They traffic in fear. it is their only currency. if we are fearful, they are winning.

Stop using mental illness to avoid talking about armed white supremacy.

Anne Laurie is a fucking hero in so many ways. ~ Betty Cracker

Giving up is unforgivable.

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Open Thread: Joe and Kamala LIVE! Soul of the Nation in AZ

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I again will again put in a plug for Biden’s speech at Gettysburg here. It will lift your spirits.

 

Open thread

ETA: I hate to derail a positive Biden-Harris thread, but this seems ominous:

 

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  4. 4.

    Elizabelle

    @TaMara (HFG):   Fun to speculate.  I got nothing.

    Of course, Nancy Smash did bring up the 25th Amendment today.  News got squashed by the arrests and presser WRT the Wolverine militia jackasses plotting against Governor Whitmer.

    Maybe on that note, there is more in that pipeline.  Michigan is famous as a hotbed for militias, but hardly alone.  Probably one in every state, sadly enough.

  8. 8.

    The Moar You Know

    VP Pence, in Arizona now, has cancelled events in Indiana tomorrow and will be returning to Washington instead

    I can think of only two reasons for this and both are bad fucking news.  Either that fly-attracting shit has the virus or Trump’s dying.

  9. 9.

    TaMara (HFG)

    Translation: Everything is shit, we’re all sick and gonna die

  10. 10.

    Anne Laurie

    Suspect it’s related to Pelosi’s announcement of “a commission to examine the 25th Amendment” in relation to the Oval Office Occupant.

    Not that the commission will get anywhere… but it’s just possible Trump will have a stroke while furiously responding to it.

    ETA:  See Cheryl’s fresh post up top!

  12. 12.

    Ken

    There’s a philosophical school that claims reality is shaped by our collective beliefs.  If that’s true, then the responses to those twitter threads just gave Pence corona, even if he didn’t have it when the travel arrangements were announced.

  13. 13.

    Elizabelle

    Nancy Smash has their attention.  WaPost:

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Rep. Jamie B. Raskin (D-Md.) plan to introduce legislation Friday that would create a commission to “help ensure effective and uninterrupted leadership” in the presidency.

    The panel would be called the Commission on Presidential Capacity to Discharge the Powers and Duties of Office, “the body and process called for in the 25th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution,” the offices of Pelosi and Raskin said in a statement announcing the move.

    The 25th Amendment formalizes that the vice president takes over the duties of the presidency in the event of a president’s death, inability to perform his duties or resignation from office. It also lays out a process by which a sitting president may be removed from office. Congress’s role in this, however, is limited.

    ….. Raskin introduced a similar measure in 2017 that would establish a congressionally appointed commission of physicians and top leaders who could evaluate the president’s health — both mental and physical — and work with the vice president on a transfer of power.

    At the time, the Maryland Democrat said the move was necessary because Trump had “thrown our country into chaos at every turn” since his inauguration that January.

    “For the security of our people and the safety of the Republic, we need to set up the ‘body’ called for in the 25th Amendment,” Raskin said in 2017. “The president can fire his entire Cabinet for asking the same question tens of millions of Americans are asking at their dinner tables, but he cannot fire Congress or the expert body we set up under the Constitution.”

    …. During an interview Wednesday on ABC News’s “The View,” Pelosi suggested that Trump’s covid-19 medications, which include steroids, may be having an effect on his mental capabilities.
    “I said yesterday to my colleagues, I said there are those who say that the steroids had an impact on people’s thinking. I don’t know, but there are those health-care providers who say that,” Pelosi said. “Also, if you have the coronavirus, it has an impact, as well.”

    Under the 25th Amendment, a president could be declared “disabled” and involuntarily removed from office by joint agreement of the vice president and a majority of the Cabinet, something that has never happened.

    In an event with the 92nd Street Y on Tuesday, Pelosi dismissed any suggestion of the 25th Amendment being used against Trump before the election.
    “I don’t think it would work for this president — this presidency,” she said.

    Because of that toxic, enabling, enfeebled Cabinet.

  18. 18.

    Uncle Cosmo

    Please fix the link in the OP, which goes to the AZ event, not the Gettysburg speech. I want to watch the latter.

  21. 21.

    TS (the original)

    @TaMara (HFG):

    He’s going back to assure dear leader he will support him forever and never invoke the 25th

    Or to talk to Nancy Pelosi

    Or because he has covid

    Or because the campaign is out of money & won’t pay his expense bill

    Or because trump wants him back to yell at him

  22. 22.

    Geminid

    There are not that many days until the election, but I hope the Biden campaign finds time for Kamala Harris to campaign in Texas. In just a day, she could earn a ton of free local and state media coverage, and fly the flag to help rally Texas Democrats.

  23. 23.

    Baud

    Pence-Harris Matchup Draws 58 Million TV Viewers

    NYT > Top Stories / by John Koblin / 7min

    It was the second most-watched vice-presidential debate, according to Nielsen

  24. 24.

    burnspbesq

    @The Moar You Know: 

    I can think of only two reasons for this and both are bad fucking news. Either that fly-attracting shit has the virus or Trump’s dying.

    Maybe he forgot to pack enough socks and underwear.

  25. 25.

    Ken

    @Baud: How many viewers did the Biden-Trump debate get?  If it was less than the VP debate, that’s another reason Trump would have to call Pence back and yell at him.

  28. 28.

    Ian

    @Elizabelle: 
    One interesting question I havn’t seen answered about the 25th amendment, if the president catches word or suspects they are about to go through with it, what stops him from firing them/ asking for their resignation? The congress critters assumed a president incapacitated by stroke or coma, something that would prevent him/her from carrying out any duties. What happens if the president is just bug fuck enough to hang on? The only remaining answer to me seems impeachment, which we know the R senate won’t do.

    Great way to get under Trump’s skin, I’m just not sure it accomplishes anything else.

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