Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

A lot of Dems talk about what the media tells them to talk about. Not helpful.

Their boy Ron is an empty plastic cup that will never know pudding.

Authoritarian republicans are opposed to freedom for the rest of us.

‘Museums aren’t America’s attic for its racist shit.’

Quote tweet friends, screenshot enemies.

The words do not have to be perfect.

Everything is totally normal and fine!!!

A sufficient plurality of insane, greedy people can tank any democratic system ever devised, apparently.

“I never thought they’d lock HIM up,” sobbed a distraught member of the Lock Her Up Party.

Our job is not to persuade republicans but to defeat them.

Michigan is a great lesson for Dems everywhere: when you have power…use it!

RIP Zandar. We are still here fighting the stupid, now in your honor.

Accused of treason; bitches about the ratings. I am in awe.

I’m just a talker, trying to find a channel!

Insiders who complain to politico: please report to the white house office of shut the fuck up.

Let me eat cake. The rest of you could stand to lose some weight, frankly.

Consistently wrong since 2002

White supremacy is terrorism.

New McCarthy, same old McCarthyism.

Shallow, uninformed, and lacking identity

Whatever happens next week, the fight doesn’t end.

And we’re all out of bubblegum.

It’s the corruption, stupid.

Trump’s legal defense is going to be a dumpster fire inside a clown car on a derailing train.

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IT’S WORKING, GUYS!

… New polls show Mr. Trump’s support is collapsing nationally, as he alienates women, seniors and suburbanites. He is trailing not just in must-win battlegrounds but according to private G.O.P. surveys, he is repelling independents to the point where Mr. Biden has drawn closer in solidly red states, including Montana, Kansas and Missouri, people briefed on the data said.

Nowhere has Mr. Trump harmed himself and his party more than across the Sun Belt, where the electoral coalition that secured a generation of Republican dominance is in danger of coming apart…

Mr. Biden is mounting an assertive campaign and facing rising pressure to do more in the historically Republican region. He is buttressed by a fund-raising gusher for Democratic candidates, overwhelming support from people of color and defections from the G.O.P. among college-educated whites in and around cities like Atlanta, Houston and Phoenix.

“Cities in states like Arizona and Texas are attracting young people, highly-educated people, and people of color — all groups that the national Republican Party has walked away from the last four years,” said the Oklahoma City mayor, David F. Holt, a Republican. “This losing demographic bet against big cities and their residents is putting Sun Belt states in play.”…

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  1. 1.

    EveryDayIhaveTheBlues

    Serves these motherfuckers right.

    In voting news, my wife got and mailed in her ballot (northern suburb of Cincinnati), while I plan to go in early and vote in person. This is for multiple reasons: 1. I don’t trust the mail and want to make sure my vote is counted by E-day and 2. My first presidential vote (became a citizen in 2017) and want to make DAMN sure that I do it in person and get that sticker.

  2. 2.

    gene108

    MoscowMitch can’t tap Putin for any more money funneled through the NRA? How sad.

    ActBlue has really changed the campaign fundraising equation for Democrats.

    Democrats have moved away from needing large corporate donations. Hopefully, this will have an impact on how we pass legislation going forward.

  3. 3.

    NobodySpecial

    “Cities in states like Arizona and Texas are attracting young people, highly-educated people, and people of color — all groups that the national Republican Party has walked away from the last four years,” said the Oklahoma City mayor, David F. Holt, a Republican. “This losing demographic bet against big cities and their residents is putting Sun Belt states in play.”…

    Four years? More like forty.

  4. 4.

    Felanius Kootea

    The Senate GOP won’t get on board the stimulus deal because they live on another planet where there is no election going on and their constituents are not affected by the pandemic?

  5. 5.

    gene108

    @Felanius Kootea:

    Two-thirds aren’t up for re-election this year. They are probably more worried about a crazier right-wing challenger getting traction in 2022 or 2024, as Republican groups mobilize Tea Party 2.0, beating them in primaries.

    That’s some great party unity. Every Senator for themselves.

  8. 8.

    Baud

    New polls show Mr. Trump’s support is collapsing nationally, as he alienates women, seniors and suburbanites all decent folks.

     

  10. 10.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    My absentee ballot didn’t come again today, so I contacted the county clerk. Turns out it was sent to Iowa. I’ve lived here for over two years and voted in every election. This is insane.

    They’re going to void the first one and reissue me a new one.

  13. 13.

    JPL

    Rumor has it that September was a good month for Biden, and possibly better than August.    Mitch will get in line because if he doesn’t trump will go to Kentucky and campaign for Amy.    Sure he needs the Senate not to flip, but he’ll be so upset, he’d do it.  imo

  17. 17.

    Baud

    Obviously, polls aren’t elections but it’s nice to see that people aren’t ready to give up on America just yet.

  19. 19.

    featheredsprite

    I’d like to see the Maya Gay quote placed in an ad or something. Our people need to be reminded that we outnumber them and we can win.

  20. 20.

    Gravenstone

    Not like this wasn’t entirely predictable in concept, it not specifics. They could have jettisoned the millstone about their necks by convicting his impeached ass. But nooooo, they had to cling tighter because they still had some ambitions to screw over everyone not their paymasters. Well, reap that whirlwind motherfuckers!

  21. 21.

    Nicole

    @Llelldorin:

    Because the election they care about is in 2022, and they want to run against the Biden administration.

    And I hope the Biden Administration is already aware of that.  The message, from Day One, should be, the Senate Republicans have had 10 years to dig us into this mess; it’s going to take more than 2 years to dig us out, but the Democrats are on it.

    Hang the last decade around McConnell’s neck until he begs to tuck his head back into his shell.

  22. 22.

    oldster

    Expanding on the theme, Senator McConnell continued, “There’s a blog, I think it’s called Balloon something, that has done us terrible damage on the fund-raising front.  Just terrible, and un-American. Their readers are donating to Democratic candidates at a rate that we simply cannot match.

    One of their posters is named DougJ, and he has simply violated all norms of Senatorial civility and comity. He uses lyrics from popular songs in order to entice the unwary to read his posts, and then the next thing they know, they are sending their Social Security checks off to the radical socialists who are running against our fine upstanding Republican men. And women. Like what’s her name from Maine, the frownie one, and the whacko from Arizona, and my good friend from the Commonwealth of Kentucky, Miss Insider Trading.

    What they are doing on this blog is horribly unfair, and unAmerican, and they should be ashamed of themselves.”

  27. 27.

    Butter Emails

    Trump has plenty of leverage over Republican Senators. There’s plenty of vulnerable Senators whose election chances he could completely torpedo and a Supreme Court nomination he could threaten to pull.

  29. 29.

    mrmoshpotato

    Moscow Mitch has a sad! Awwwww…..fuck ’em!

    Forty years+ of the GOP being a progressively worse, goddamn fucking pile of shit has come home to bite them in their citizenry-hating, fascist asses. SAD!

    Maybe more fuck-everyone-else, tax cuts for the rich are the answer!

    Assholes.

  30. 30.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @gene108: We obviously need campaign finance reform that prohibits small donors and only allows donations only from large corporations. I’m sure the usual suspects are working on it.

    And maybe a killer sting video against ActBlue from Wohl and Burkman.

  31. 31.

    Mai Naem mobile

    I’ve seen two people wearing Biden t-shirts recently in Metro Phoenix and I drive down a street regularly that has three houses with Biden/Harris signs. One has a flag and a sign. I didn’t even see this for Obama in 08. I was driving behind a Prius(ofcourse) this morning with  Biden, Kelly and Penzone(the guy who beat Sheriff Joe) bumper stickers.

  32. 32.

    dm

    ActBlue has raised about $600 million since the evening RBG died.

    I think one big effect it has is that people in safe blue states have an easy way to support candidates in the red part of the country.

  33. 33.

    Llelldorin

    @Nicole: I’m almost hoping the Republicans continue to stalk around being evil for awhile. Democrats tend to work together better under threat.

  34. 34.

    different-church-lady

    “LET’S FINANCIALLY HARM AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN DURING A PANDEMIC! WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE WRONG WITH THAT STRATEGY?”

  35. 35.

    Ken

    I’m looking forward to the Republicans arguing that there is too much money in politics and Citizens United should be reversed.

  36. 36.

    Citizen_X

    You know what really ties you permanently to Trump, Republicans? Voting in Amy Fucking Barrett (or anyone else) before the election.

  38. 38.

    Kay

    Trevor Potter
    @thetrevorpotter
    ·1h
    The
    @nytimes
    reported today that Donald Trump may have illegally financed his 2016 campaign with a secret loan that potentially exceeded legal limits. The report is the latest in a Times series examining Trump’s tax returns. Thread below.

    It’s boring but campaign finance will probably be what ends up landing the Trumps in prison.
    This is just the ’16 campaign too. A billion dollars went out in the re-elect. Wonder where that went.

  39. 39.

    JoyceH

    Open thready stuff. I just signed all the documents for my mortgage refinance – 2.75%, 30 year fixed! And was reminded of my first home purchase, in Seattle in the ’80s. 13%! Oh, the things we’ve seen, friends!

  41. 41.

    Barbara

    @gene108:
    I had not thought about that, but it does seem fairly clear that the NRA funneled a lot of money in the direction of Republicans. The demise of the NRA would be a sweet, sweet thing to behold.

    @NobodySpecial:  Yet, they can’t bring themselves to make rational policy choices that might appeal to those voters. Instead you get Mike Pence talking about Obamacare being a disaster for Americans and the horrors of addressing climate change.  Because, after all, who gives a flying fuck about the future.

  42. 42.

    PPCLI

    @Felanius Kootea: They are assuming that Trump will lose the election. Then: a) if the Democrats win the Senate, they will need to pass a huge stimulus bill and the Republicans can demagogue on “deficit explosion”. b) The Republicans keep the Senate, in which case they block any form of stimulus to crash the economy to torpedo the Biden presidency.

    Of course, if, God forbid, Trump remains president, they’ll pass a stimulus bill right away.

    Since they only think about their narrow interests in gaining and keeping power, here’s no incentive to pass a stimulus bill now.

  44. 44.

    Kay

    Tom Noe was a Bush fundraiser. He got 27 months in prison for laundering 45,000 in donations.

    I wonder what 40 million gets you.

  45. 45.

    Gin & Tonic

    I don’t want to jinx anything, but now I’m looking at a Bunnahabhain 18, maybe? Too risky to plan anything?

  46. 46.

    Marcopolo

    The framing of this reporting is bad. McConnell bears a lot of the responsibility for supercharging D campaign fundraising. Exhibit A: rushing to confirm Barrett after bottling up Garland. Any article that doesn’t highlight this has a huge hole in it.

    Also, the writing is on the damned wall. Trump is going to lose. The only question is many other R electeds will go down along with him. Once again, I don’t think rushing the SC nom helps R’s in their elections—McConnell is in control of that. I’m pretty sure he is fine w/ the trade off of losing the Senate for a 30 year-long ultra-conservative SC Justice,

    Finally, since Trump is toast, McConnell has no interest in passing a pandemic relief bill that might make life easier for a newly inaugurated Prez Biden. To say he’s been sidelined in the current negotiations is laughable. He’s been the single biggest asshole roadblock to this relief getting passed since Nancy Smash sent him a House version of this in mid-May. He could have joined in at any time since then. But honestly he doesn’t care about the American people, all he cares about is power.

    Btw, if there are any KY jackals around Is like to know why McGrath hasn’t been shouting this from the rooftops the past 6 months. Booker would have if he’d won the primary.

  47. 47.

    different-church-lady

    @Barbara:

    it does seem fairly clear that the NRA funneled washed a lot of money in the direction of for Republicans.

  49. 49.

    different-church-lady

    @Marcopolo: McConnell really doesn’t seem to be getting the idea that if a GOP senate is seen as the only thing in the way of extended pandemic relief in response to an extended pandemic, then he’s just not going to be majority leader much longer.

  50. 50.

    A Ghost to Most

    The amount of money raised (here and nationally) has been stunning.

    For the first time in decades, my wife and I have contributed nothing to campaigns. Instead, those funds have gone to the Rocky MTN Food Bank.

    Keep up the good work.

  52. 52.

    Hungry Joe

    Vote-by-mail warning: I mailed some stuff — a few papers in a standard envelope — from San Diego to my daughter in San Francisco. It took 12 days to get there.

  54. 54.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Citizen_X:

    You know what really ties you permanently to Trump, Republicans? Voting in Amy Fucking Barrett (or anyone else) before the election.

    Now now, Citizen X.  We can’t forget about Supreme Court Injustice Neil Gorsuch; blackout-drunk college rapist Brett Kavanaugh; over 200 massively-unqualified, prepubescent, right wing nut jobs who are now federal judges for life, the 2017 GOP tax scam, and a fucking boatload of other horrible shit.

  55. 55.

    different-church-lady

    Driving through NH last weekend, I saw a lawn with a Biden/Harris sign, but also a Sununu for Gov sign. Interesting, I thought: splitting the vote.

    Then I noticed the third sign, which said, “I’M A REPUBLICAN, BUT I’M NOT AN IDIOT!”

  57. 57.

    Baud

    @different-church-lady:

    Then I noticed the third sign, which said, “I’M A REPUBLICAN, BUT I’M NOT AN IDIOT!”

    If I lived next door, I’d be tempted to put up a sign that said, “GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES, I’M NOT GOING TO ARGUE!”

  59. 59.

    Kent

    @different-church-lady:

    Driving through NH last weekend, I saw a lawn with a Biden/Harris sign, but also a Sununu for Gov sign. Interesting, I thought: splitting the vote.

    Then I noticed the third sign, which said, “I’M A REPUBLICAN, BUT I’M NOT AN IDIOT!”

    Absolutely love it!

  60. 60.

    Quinerly

    Haven’t read all the comments. Has anyone brought up this crazy 2 hr interview today with Rush… And that our Christian President said the word “fuck” in the interview?

  63. 63.

    trollhattan

    @Kay:

    But, but, but, didn’t Citizen’s United establish money is people, or something? “Set my moneypeople free!”

    Somewhere, Sam Alito says, “Yes.”

  64. 64.

    David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch

    @Hungry Joe:

    Vote-by-mail warning: I mailed some stuff — a few papers in a standard envelope — from San Diego to my daughter in San Francisco. It took 12 days to get there.

     

    Here’s a link for finding local drop box locations (link)

  65. 65.

    Kay

    @trollhattan:

    Well, but these are existing rules. The disclosure of a 10 million dollar in kind contribution from a loan guaranteed by Trump’s business partner still has to actually happen. Citizens didn’t void all reporting rules.

  66. 66.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Quinerly: Wonder how the Gray Lady will cover that. People here dunk on The Economist, but when Dick Cheney said “Go fuck yourself” to Pat Leahy, they quoted him verbatim.

  67. 67.

    different-church-lady

    @Quinerly:

    And that our Christian President said the word “fuck” in the interview?

    I can’t understand what’s holding up that “Ni-CLANG!”

  68. 68.

    Marcopolo

    @different-church-lady: Once again, I don’t think McConnell cares about preserving an R Senate majority.  In his calculation the value of getting the SC seat outweighs pretty much anything else.  And he’s rammed through so many judicial nominees in the past three years that work is done, is complete for at least a decade.

    I think he’s also calculating that the D’s won’t have the votes to end the filibuster so he’ll be able to go back to the ratfuckery he did on Obama.

  69. 69.

    japa21

    @Gin & Tonic: Never tried that, and when I checked the price I know why. But sure, get it now.  The price will go up as more and more people  get ready to celebrate.

  70. 70.

    Ohio Mom

    EverydayIHaveTheBlues @1:

    If you are going to the Board of Elections in Norwood, I went yesterday mid-day, and except for a small bottleneck getting into the parking lot, it was fast and easy. There were plenty of check-in lines, voting booths and scanners.

    Best news for you is that there is a pile of I Voted stickers by each scanner so if you want to sneak more than one, you can.

  71. 71.

    Baud

    @Quinerly:

    And that our Christian President said the word “fuck” in the interview?

    I wouldn’t mind that being made known through any back channels we may have to the Christian right.  I can see it actually shaving off a few votes here and there, especially in light of everything else going on.

  72. 72.

    prostratedragon

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:  Oh, well just damn. Are you in suburban Cook County or DuPage? Mine in the city was issued the same day as yours, and they have had it back and validated for about a week now.

  74. 74.

    JMG

    They’re tearing up the main road between my house and the town center to build a rotary nobody wants. So to get there this morning I used a back way that put me out on Shore Rd., which fronts the Atlantic, for about three miles. I saw five Biden-Harris signs and one Trump sign. None of the houses on that road go for less than $2 million.  I know it’s Massachusetts, but damn. In 2012 town went for Obama by eight votes, total. Went 60 percent plus for Clinton. Wonder what it’ll be this time.

  75. 75.

    Matt McIrvin

    I think I voted. Dropped off my mail ballot at the City Hall drop box. Given the 3-day weekend, I may not know if it was accepted until Tuesday.

  76. 76.

    JPL

    @Baud:

    “If you fuck around with us, if you do something bad to us, we are gonna do things to you that have never been done before.” — the President of the United States

  77. 77.

    JoyceH

    @David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: Which lender did you use?

    Same as always – Navy Federal Credit Union. What I like about NFCU is that they make the loan and then they KEEP it.  I remember my sister complaining every few years about how her mortgage kept being sold to a different company and then she’d have to change where the payment went to.

  78. 78.

    Baud

    @JPL: Oh, definitely circulate that.  I know most of them won’t care, but every little bit helps.

    Also, too, Biden and Harris should read that back to any reporter that asks them about court packing.

  79. 79.

    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?

    My nano is in the shop getting restrung, so he’ll have to settle for the pico.

    Kinda feel like constant non stop obstruction might not fare as well this time around, on account of Biden being melanin challenged. It’s sad and lame but a lot of folks in this here county are less skeptical of a message coming from a white man.

  80. 80.

    jonas

    @Felanius Kootea:  Yeah, I can get some House member representing a rural redneck district somewhere that hasn’t been hit too hard by Covid (or has been, but won’t admit it) not feeling a particular sense of urgency on this, but Senators? They need votes in whole states to win.

    Like with Trump’s tariffs and midwestern farmers, they’re literally asking workers and business owners in their states to let themselves get wiped out in order to stick it to large, urban blue states and their heavily unionized public workforces. That’s all this is about. “I may be broke and living in my car, but dammit, libs have been owned!! *Cough! Cough!*”

  81. 81.

    Quinerly

    @Gin & Tonic: MSNBC opened the 2pm show with it. The Hill has a long article up about the interview. No mention of “fuck.”

    The Independent printed it.

    Granted, I just tuned in.

  87. 87.

    gvg

    If Mitch wins his race but we take the Senate, I want him NOT to be chosen by his caucus as minority leader. I think that would sting a lot.  I even think it would bother his Kentucky voters, since some might be telling themselves they don’t want to give up a powerful legislator.

  91. 91.

    Nicole

    @Baud: I just read that article you linked to, yeah that’s an excellent analogy. The Democrats should work that for the next two years. Hell, for the next 40.

  93. 93.

    Baud

    @Nicole: Well, it didn’t work to our advantage in 2010, which is when the article is from.  Hopefully, the public is wiser now.

  95. 95.

    Mai Naem mobile

    I wonder who the Robert Caro for Donnie will be and how many volumes they’ll have to write? You’re going to need 50 volumes or something. I don’t even know how you write a multi volume biography on this guy.  Do you do it chronologically or do you take it by scandal?  The index would need a sub-index just for scandals alone.

  98. 98.

    gvg

    @JoyceH: My loan got sold, but the original lender keeps the management, for a small slice of the profit.  I think that is the norm now, banks have noticed how much people hate the problems of changing where the payment goes (and the tricky fees). My credit union did the same with the house before. They all want to diversify so they aren’t too exposed to local downturns, so the sell loans to each other, but keep the payments to the same address (electronic these days)

  100. 100.

    Baud

    @Quinerly: Any news on whether he was coughing like in that other interview?   Either they pumped him up with same major Dex, or he had a relatively mild case of the virus.

  101. 101.

    germy

    @Quinerly:  Looks like Rush cut him off after 2 hrs.

    That’s one thing I’ve noticed.  Every time he calls in to a show for an interview, it sounds like he’s ready to keep it going for hours.  The hosts are always the ones to say “Mr. President, we know you have to go…” rather than the president saying “I’d love to talk some more, but I’ve got to go.”

    If they didn’t cut him off, he’d turn it into a marathon.

  102. 102.

    JPL

    @Baud: Republicans might be upset with Cal Cunningham, but are fine with the Qanon wacko running for the district north of me.   She had an affair with someone and at the same time was having another affair while married.   Lots of sex going on in a short period of time.   IOKIYR

  104. 104.

    MomSense

    I hope we destroy the Republicans in this election.  And dog willing we should then destroy Fox News.  They need to be sued out of existence for their role in disseminating dangerously false information about COVID.  People have died as a result.

  109. 109.

    JoyceH

    @David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: All my service was shore based. They did open up some ships to women when I was in (the service and supply ships, AKA the ones that can’t shoot back), but I was a full lieutenant then and they were taking mainly ensigns and (jg)s. I did apply for sea duty but wasn’t enough of a superstar.

  111. 111.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Martin:

    @JPL: Dump must think rubbing his bare, orange ass all over the streets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is the. worst.  Like Ohmigerd!

  112. 112.

    randy khan

    @EveryDayIhaveTheBlues:

    My first presidential vote (became a citizen in 2017) and want to make DAMN sure that I do it in person and get that sticker.

    So what you’re saying is that 2016 was not your fault?

    Anyway, thanks for sticking with the U.S. when other less hardy sorts might have rethought the idea.

  113. 113.

    Quinerly

    @Baud: He sounded really hoarse in the segment I heard with fuck bleeped out by MSNBC. I’m hoping Rush et al get fined by the FCC. I’m a delicate magnolia blossom and am deeply offended. Don’t they fine shows anymore?

  115. 115.

    germy

    TRUMP on Rush Limbaugh show: "I would like to see a bigger stimulus package frankly than either the Democrats or Republicans are offering."

    Trump said he's going "the exact opposite now," reversing himself on what he said in recent days on virus relief spending negotiations.

    — Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) October 9, 2020

    Outflanked again, Dems.

  118. 118.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Quinerly: Again?  What’s the plan this time – pass around a jar of pepper, take a good sniff, then sneeze in each other’s faces?

  119. 119.

    Baud

    @Matt McIrvin:  Not for a single “fuck.”

    @germy:  And he’s already reversed himself since then.

    President Donald Trump has signed off on a roughly $1.8 trillion stimulus offer to be presented to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, according to two people with knowledge of the decision, marking the highest topline dollar figure the administration has put on the table to this point.
    The direct involvement of Trump himself and his willingness to put down an offer far above the preferences of congressional Republicans adds a dynamic new element to long-stalled negotiations. Trump, to this point, mostly relied on Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and White House chief of staff Mark Meadows to handle the details of the talks with Pelosi.
    The $1.8 trillion figure is up from a $1.6 trillion offer from earlier this week, though it remains below the $2.2 trillion in the bill passed last week by House Democrats — and Pelosi has been unwilling to go below $2 trillion in negotiations up to this point, people familiar with the matter say.

  123. 123.

    Ken

    @Baud: Let’s assume either Trump or his meds stabilize, and he insists the relief bill be passed before the election.  Will the Senate calendar have enough time to do that and the Barrett nomination?

  125. 125.

    L85NJGT

    “To be with you two hours, you have no idea. It’s a great honor,” Trump said. The president still seemed to be speaking as Limbaugh’s show transitioned into a commercial.

    -CLICK-

  130. 130.

    Ken

    @L85NJGT: “To be with you two hours, you have no idea. It’s a great honor,” Trump said.

    Dude, you’re the president. It’s supposed to work the other way around.  The only people you might say that to are the Pope and the Queen, not that either of them would give you two hours.

  131. 131.

    topclimber

    @Marcopolo: Yeah, we might have to wait til 2022 to get enough Senators to kill the filibuster. We need a 55-45 margin since one of “our” current senators (Angus King) is into the independent vibe. You know, a Collins type but with integrity. Plus a Feinstein or two who I don’t think is up for election for another cycle.

  133. 133.

    Quinerly

    @HumboldtBlue: I found this buried in one of the Tweet threads.. Someone was asking about FCC fines in the thread

    “wasn’t heard on terrestrial radio stations; I should know, I was listening to him live just now, and we didn’t get it, neither did my followers. Only those listening on Rush 24/7, which is special access, heard the President’s F-bomb.”

  135. 135.

    Bill Arnold

    @Hungry Joe:

    Vote-by-mail warning: I mailed some stuff — a few papers in a standard envelope — from San Diego to my daughter in San Francisco. It took 12 days to get there.

    I just poked around and the F-in NYTimes has a tracker that they’re updating (yes, mail delays seen):
    Is the Mail Getting Slower? Our Tracker Says Yes (Emily Badger, Quoctrung Bui and Margot Sanger-Katz, Updated Oct. 5, 2020)
    Graphs and all. Their political news sucks, but their data projects are really good.

  137. 137.

    evodevo

    @JoyceH: Yes.  This was the underlying cause of the financial crisis in ’08…banks were free to offload loans they had made, over and over, so they didn’t care about the quality….then the bad loans ended up being packaged as securities, cut into sections, repackaged and sliced up and repackaged again, and sold along to insurance companies and public pension funds…and we all know how that turned out.  Dodd-Frank clamped down on some of the most egregious behavior, but the banksters still need more oversight.  Maybe Biden can do a little toward that…

  142. 142.

    trnc

    Meanwhile, two sources close to Senate leadership said Trump is desperate, has zero leverage to push them to support a bill crafted by Pelosi & congressional Republicans aren’t inclined to wrap themselves any tighter to a sinking ship

    That’s rich. They’re deluding themselves into thinking it’s all DT’s fat-ass iceberg while they’re working non-stop with can openers on the hull.

  145. 145.

    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?

    @Johnnybuck: Yeah and I think that and the fact that he has a penis is a part of why the olds are comfortable moving in Biden’s direction. He just looks like all those other Presidents ina way that Hillary didn’t. One could argue he has run a better campaign too, and part of it is also that Trump can’t run as an interloper/unknown commodity a second time around. People now know what having him as President is like and they don’t much care for it

  149. 149.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Hungry Joe: Think that’s bad? I completed my Census 2020 form & gave it to my letter carrier over 6 months ago. Checked online today – they had no record of it. Probably tossed it into the first trashcan he saw. (I filled it out online.)

    Letter carrier was my summer job when I was in college. Even we temps & subs took our work very seriously – we knew people were counting on us. Sad to see how far the USPS has fallen.

  150. 150.

    EveryDayIhaveTheBlues

    Thank you to everyone for the warm welcome and kind comments!

    Like those who say they picked the wrong year to quit drinkin’, I didn’t pick the best time to become a citizen. There’s a complex calculation that went into this step, not the least of which is a familial attachment: my wife is natural born, and so is my son. I comment infrequently here, but I’ve written before about how I was a permanent resident for about 8 years before taking the pledge.

    TL:DR, I didn’t want this asshole to suddenly change the laws and have me kicked out for no good reason. Never would I have ever considered the possibility of kids being separated from their families, but here we are…

    Also, natural-born cussedness is a strong driving force. If these fuckers don’t like me or the color of my skin, they can fucking move. I ain’t going nowhere.

  151. 151.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Quinerly: What’s amazing is that even the “fuck” was a lie. It was in the context of “If you fuck with us, we’ll mess you up like no one ever has before”, like… creating a losing trade war with China, or giving up lots of free concessions to North Korea.

    The whole thing is so sad.

  152. 152.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @HumboldtBlue: And also, where the hell is Mike Pence?

    CPU swapout – that model is no longer supported by Radio Schmuck. May be a day or two before the software’s loaded.

  155. 155.

    EveryDayIhaveTheBlues

    @Ohio Mom: Thanks! Yes, that’s exactly where I was gonna go. My wife showed me a video someone took of the first day of voting and the line was ENORMOUS. Made me think I needed to take an actual vacation from work to get it done.

    I went to Kyoto last week to pick up some sushi…

  157. 157.

    Annie

    @Mai Naem mobile:

    Robert Caro will write 50 volumes, if he lives long enough.  He’ll probably spend 50 pages on Melania’s “I don’t care” jacket.  In his biography of Lyndon Johnson he spends IIRC 3 pages getting Lady Bird down a hallway at Parkland Hospital after John Kennedy was killed.

  160. 160.

    VeniceRiley

    Back to the thought of what lost seniors for Trump: In addition to a year of precious life they’ll never get back, I mean.  USPS. Their mail. Not all of them are tech savvy and a lot get their rX by mail.  They’re mad and scared.

  161. 161.

    randy khan

    I really wonder what McConnell is going to do if Pelosi and Mnuchin reach a deal and Trump endorses it. Not passing that deal would be pretty bad for Republican incumbents.

  162. 162.

    misterpuff

    C’mon GOP Senators get on the free money train (or better yet helicopter) and do something Americans want.

     

    You may not win but at least you can go down having done something good for your state.

     

    But no, they will go down elevating ACB to SCOTUS and laugh maniacally because she will loosen the chains on Frankstein’s monster Capitalism and lay the ground work for theocratic fascism. Hoo-Rah!

  163. 163.

    sdhays

    @Quinerly: I don’t think so. Biden had a steady lead over Dump since last year. Don’t forget how Dump won the electoral college by just a handful of votes in 3 states. It would almost certainly be closer, but I don’t think you can assume that if COVID hadn’t hit, Dump would be cruising to victory.

  164. 164.

    MisterForkbeard

    @germy:

    “I would like to see a bigger stimulus package frankly than either the Democrats or Republicans are offering.”

    I think it was literally yesterday that Trump said he would never ever ever go higher than $1.6T, and the Democrats had irresponsibly asked for $2.4T.

    Dude is just super, SUPER high right now. And panicking.

  165. 165.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Quinerly: I don’t think that’s true. I think he would have had an actual fight on his hands but would still have lost. Maybe by ~40 or so electoral votes.

    Gotta remember that Biden’s has basically always been up 5% or so on Trump and go on from there.

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    Nutmeg again

    @JoyceH: congrats! how long did it take for all the paperwork to process?  I’ve been poking at a refi application in a desultory way, and could be encouraged.

  167. 167.

    Quinerly

    @sdhays: hope you are right. Guess we’ll never know for sure. I never would have believed he could have won (or even come close to winning) the first time.

  168. 168.

    HumboldtBlue

    OK, ballot dropped off at the elections office so I did my part.

    Trump/Pence 2020! MAGA!

  169. 169.

    Just Chuck

    @oldster: Does he know that you can find this blog by googling “skull fuck a kitten”?  Says everything about this site I tellya.

  170. 170.

    Steeplejack

    @gene108:

    Democrats have moved away from needing large corporate donations. Hopefully, this will have an impact on how we pass legislation going forward.

    Yes! This.

  172. 172.

    Frank Wilhoit

    Always remember that nothing is about what it says it is about. McConnell’s agita is not about getting less money. It is about the fact that the money doesn’t work the way it used to.

  173. 173.

    low-tech cyclist

    OK, someone explain this stuff to me.

    The point of Pelosi negotiating directly with Mnuchin was that Mitch would go along with whatever deal they came up with, or at least accept most of it after getting some concessions.

    But if Mitch isn’t inclined to let the Senate weigh in on their deal, and neither Trump nor Pelosi has any leverage to make him do so, then what’s the point of negotiating, other than perhaps a brief PR moment that will get lost in the usual avalanche of outrages?

    I’m mystified, I really am.

  174. 174.

    Kathleen

    @EveryDayIhaveTheBlues: I’m late to this thread but I just wanted to say “so nice to see you again”!  I turned my ballot in on Wednesday at BOE and saw online it was officially received. Hope all is well. It would be nice to have another meet up when all this is over

    ETA: And congratulations on your first vote as US citizen!

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