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The Radicalization of My Parents Continues

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Got mom and dad a new sign for their yard, and mom sent a picture to the family text as soon as she saw it:

The Radicalization of My Parents Continues

Dad loves it.

I tell you what, Trump is a uniter. A few years ago my parents thought I was a wild hair on fire liberal, and today when I talked to my mom the first thing out of her mouth before hello was “that woman is awful.” She was talking about Amy Comey Barrett.

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  6. 6.

    jl

    ” the first thing out of her mouth before hello was “that woman is awful.” She was talking about Amy Comey Barrett. ”

    So, HRC is totally forgotten? You’d think people would at least keep their fond memories alive.

    Oh wait, that is all the Trumpster base remembers, including every obscure, occult, and opaque code word. I wonder how many others can figure out what they are even talking about.

    BTW, Trump has acted really  weird, even for him, over last day at his rallies. Acting like he’s drunk dancing around the stage. Offering to kiss some dudes, but maybe that his idea of outreach outside the base, I dunno. Not sure what to make of it. Maybe he has reached the acceptance stage, and is just having a blast at his last rallies? Not that he won’t slip back into the anger, resentment, revenge, apeshit, stages again. Trump handles things differently than most of us.

  7. 7.

    Chief Oshkosh

    I knew Amy Covid would be awful, but to not even agree that Trump can’t delay the election? To not even agree that the law clearly states when the election is to occur and that that is set by Congress?

    And we merrily roll along.

  12. 12.

    Honus

    @satby: 
    I don’t know your religious affiliation John, but I’m an Ohio Valley Catholic boy on both sides. I mean, I’m know about the swastikas in the floor of the cathedral in wheeling. And pretty much all the women in my family (I have four sisters) agree eith your mom.

  15. 15.

    Ohio Mom

    I used to wonder, John’s parents — at least his mom — reads this blog somwhat regularly and still identifies as Republican? Do none of our comments and insights move her?

    Now I don’t have to entertain those thoughts anymore, Welcome aboad Mom and Pop Cole, we’ve been waiting for you.

  17. 17.

    sdhays

    @Chief Oshkosh: The least she could do is agree that with the Preznit’s comments, she would recuse herself from any election-related cases.

    She couldn’t even do that.

  19. 19.

    mad citizen

    @jl: Probably learned about them here (my main link-source); Aaron Rupar and Tom Joseph on twitter put up rally clips–Rupar tends to do more of them.  One I just watched started out with trump saying something like “Can you imagine losing to this guy?” then dissing Biden because he “abandoned” PA.

    I laughed out loud when trump was talking about kissing the handsome man.

    He knows it’s over.  Bring on the charges of his various frauds.

  21. 21.

    dmsilev

    As noted downstairs, Trump has officially Jeb Bushed himself:

    Suburban women, they should like me more than anybody here tonight because I ended deregulation that destroyed your neighborhood. I ended the regulation that brought crime to the suburbs,” Trump said, referring to an Obama-era anti-segregation rule that his administration ended.

    “So can I ask you to do me a favor? Suburban women, will you please like me? I saved your d— neighborhood,” the president said.

    Trump said he’s heard that suburban women don’t like how he talks, but that he doesn’t have time to be nice.

    “You know, I can do it, but I got to go quickly. We don’t have time,” Trump said. “They want me to be politically correct.”

    ”Please clap’

  22. 22.

    mad citizen

    @WaterGirl: I don’t know, our saving grace is that trump is so ineffective at everything, he is kinda the opposite of Hitler.  Still like the one where Hitler is talking about seeing Bob Dylan live.

    I thought the filmmakers expressed they didn’t want people making memes of this scene anymore (though I watched Downfall earlier this year and loved it.  Bruno Ganz excellent of course.)

  23. 23.

    jl

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka): Someone should asked her for the reason for her outrageous and disqualifying answer, and if that is the reason, then she would stand down from the nomination, let alone promise to recuse herself.

    The whole thing is unbelievably crooked. I’d like the conservatives to be impeached convicted and removed from the court. If the Democrats win, I’ll look up the rules for ejecting corrupt GOP Senators and sending them back home. I know it won’t happen, though. But I think that is what should happen in a just world.

    Edit: If she is appointed, and Trump tries to fiddle with the election because, say, his daffy plan comes crashing down because it is raining on Nov 3, we’ll have to hope she calls McConnell rather than Trump for instructions. McConnell more likely to evaluate and look for long term ROI. If Trump has sunk the GOP, that will figure in McC’s calculations, maybe better to be rid of him.

  24. 24.

    Redshift

    @jl: A few weeks ago, he could only shuffle down an ADA-compliant ramp. Now says he feels twenty years younger, and he’s dancing. I think it’s because he’s still being pumped full of steroids to keep him going.

  25. 25.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @dmsilev: I think somewhere in that rant, or maybe in an earlier version of that rant, he whined because people mocked him for saying “suburban housewives”

  27. 27.

    mad citizen

    @dmsilev: When you have to tell people (suburban women) how to react to your con, I think you’re not very effective.

    One said suburban woman walked by my driveway tonight and said “I like your wife’s stickers” (Back of our SUV is covered across the back with Biden/Harris; with an original Harris for President).  I said they are both of ours, but I’m the one buying them.  She said I really like the “Flush the Turd November 3rd” one.  I laughed and said thanks, I put that one on yesterday!

  28. 28.

    jl

    @Redshift: I guess their is ‘roid joy as well as ‘roid rage. One learns so much on this blog. Thanks for that observation. I forgot about the ‘roids.

    But, if he is really over his infection, he shouldn’t be taking them anymore. I doubt he’s still contagious, but for his own welfare, as if Trump had the foggiest rational notion about what that might be.

    From what I’ve read, if he is still on the ‘roids, that means that even though the infectious stage is over, his immune system is still acting up in a way that could damage him severely.

    An important question: is Trump off the ‘roids? And why not if he is still on them? And, any evidence that they have affected his mental status? A reporter ask that yet?

  29. 29.

    Ruckus

    @sdhays:

    Doing that would defeat her entire concept of life and power.

    Her sole rational for her existence is to be the person that does exactly that.

  30. 30.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    @dmsilev:

    “So can I ask you to do me a favor? Suburban women, will you please like me? I saved your d— neighborhood,” the president said.

    Trump said he’s heard that suburban women don’t like how he talks, but that he doesn’t have time to be nice.

    “You know, I can do it, but I got to go quickly. We don’t have time,” Trump said. “They want me to be politically correct.”

    Yes, it does reek of “Please clap”. Also, suburban woman will surely love being condescended to and having words put into their mouths

  31. 31.

    WaterGirl

    @Redshift: What goes up, must come down.

    I’ve read that t’s typically a 10-day course.  I wonder what day that is and if they will really be able to wean him off.

    It could get ugly either way, I imagine.

  32. 32.

    Stevie

    Mama Betty too.  She used to be a proud Republican and now she’s advocating for police reform. Today she was saying that it’s her job to protect the environment!

  34. 34.

    Redshift

    @dmsilev: Hey, if Trump has convinced himself that suburban women love his openly racist efforts to make the suburbs white again, and only object to him talking like a jackass, who am I to argue?

  36. 36.

    Barbara

    @dmsilev: It’s amazing. He belts this out without seeming to understand that he is in the town of Johnstown, PA, where there are no suburban women, because there are no suburbs at all in Johnstown, PA.

  37. 37.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Redshift: he does seems suspiciously bouncy so soon after visibly laboring to breathe just a few days ago (wasn’t it? what day was that? what day is this?). Younger survivors have said they have good days and bad. I keep wondering if he’s either going to crash from the ‘roids, or just have a bad day, and then get even crazier either locked in his room, or out on the trail. I don’t for a moment think his FoxTeeVee doctor would hesitate to help him get more dex. And if he wouldn’t, I’m sure there are others who would

  41. 41.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    @jl:

    You’re correct of course. She’s completely unfit to sit on the Court for many, many reasons

  42. 42.

    jl

    I remember when odd behavior by our high statespersonages was cute and there was some humanity in it that we could recognize. I remember when presidential candidate Jeb Bush had such gravitas and respect that he was booted from a meeting room after he was finished speaking because they were done with him. But he hung around long enough to cage another plate of buffet food.

    Ah, fond memories of another time.

  43. 43.

    Old Dan and Little Ann

    I went to my parents house today.  They’re both 77 and sane thank dog.  I said, “I see the neighbor across the street put up an I’m an asshole flag.”  It is the 2nd one on the block.  No Biden signs.  One BLM sign.

  44. 44.

    J R in WV

    @Redshift: 

    I think it’s because he’s still being pumped full of steroids to keep him going.

    And speed, maybe just Adderall, but maybe some other pharmaceutical speed. He has pet doctors, after all. And they do what he wants, lest they get replaced. No honor whatsoever!

  45. 45.

    Mai Naem mobile

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: his voice still sounds like he’s congested. I don’t understand the dancing with the steroids and the congestion. He looks like he’s lost weight unless he’s wearing a full body Spanx or whatever. I just want it to stop and not have to think about him at all.

  48. 48.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    @Mai Naem mobile:

    So do I. Although, if Trump loses in a blowout this November, I wonder if he’d still try to run again in 2024. Assuming of course he’s still functioning and alive by then

  50. 50.

    Redshift

    On the actual topic of the post, I visited my parents over the weekend and my dad had watched the VP debate (and the unwatchable presidential, though we didn’t talk about that.) He wanted me to know how impressed he was with Kamala, just gushing. This from a man who was a lifelong Republican until voting for Obama, and he’s never been on board with Trump.

  54. 54.

    The Moar You Know

    I’m know about the swastikas in the floor of the cathedral in wheeling.

    @Honus: that’s pre-ww2. Has nothing to do with Nazis at all. They’re all over a lot of public buildings that were built before 1940. Was a good luck symbol stolen from native Americans (here) who used it for thousands of years, and goes back 11000 years in Sanskrit.

    Was a real shock first time I went to Korea and saw swastika flags on most of the churches there.

  56. 56.

    JoyceH

    Re Trump – he’s on something for sure. Every time we see him, he’s got a fresh bandage on the back of his hand. I think they’re keeping him hopped up to perform. He’s probably a limp, weak zombie when he’s not onstage.

    Re parents – my Mom (died in 1999) was a lifelong Republican until late in life. What radicalized her was the way Anita Hill was treated. She was visiting me while the hearings were going on, and I’d come home from work and she’d be practically gibbering with rage.

  57. 57.

    NotMax

    Someone needs to pull Barrett aside and clue her in that Sgt. Schultz is not a crackerjack choice of role model.

    //

  58. 58.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    @Redshift:

    I know idiots who thought Kamala looked nervous during the debate and smiled when she shouldn’t have; she should’ve been more “serious” ?

  60. 60.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @WaterGirl: I love “Downfall” videos. Fortunately my German is not good enough to be distracted by the real words.

    There’s a guy at 0:48 who looks eerily like Stephen Miller. Is he some sort of immortal Nazi demon or something?

  61. 61.

    jl

    @The Moar You Know: I think different swastika design though. I think the Nazis modified it to make it look special.

    But, close enough resemblance to make many very uncomfortable. I think mainly a problem when they are stand alone symbols. I think Native pottery designs often link them up, or incorporate them in patterns and few notice what they are.

  64. 64.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    The Lincoln Project or some other group else needs to cut a commercial juxtaposing Trump dancing to the Village People song YMCA at one of his rallies with the Bob Woodward conversation playing in the background where he talks about downplaying COVID-19.  The depravity of this man is off the goddamn charts.  We need to vote him out of office on Election Day and then the Manhattan DA or NY AG needs to build an airtight case that will send him to prison where he belongs.

  65. 65.

    sdhays

    @WaterGirl: Honestly, it’s way too connected to reality and honest about the lies.

    In Dump’s personal downfall, the delusions will pile on top of themselves.

    “Suburban housewives <insert something horribly misogynist and racist>!”

    “50 gazillion illegal Martians voted in Texas and Florida!!!”

    “Jhyna infected me and tricked the country into believing it!!!”

    “Do you think Pete Buttigieg would kiss me if I invited him over to the Very White House? He’s so handsome!”

  66. 66.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka): I don’t know if he’ll be around in 2024, but I’ll be very surprised if he doesn’t immediately declare his candidacy for 2024 so that he can just keep going with the grifting and rallies until he drops or goes to jail, whichever comes first.

  68. 68.

    Patricia Kayden

    Update:I have FINALLY Voted after 12 long hoursThank You for everyone who was concernedAnd yes I voted straight Democrat— Dr. Meghan Hurtsboro✡️ (@MeghanForBiden) October 13, 2020

  70. 70.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Just saw President Whackadoo in PA from earlier tonight. He seemed compartively subdued compared to last night, but still talking about kissing everyone in the audience and declaring himself immune.

    And I think, in another moment, he declared a bunch of other people immune. It was very strange.

  72. 72.

    dww44

    This may have been answered already, but, how does ONE get one of those signs?  I seriously want one, preferably more!

  76. 76.

    Mary G

    Twitler’s  a uniter, not a divider. My mom was a lifelong Republican who started to have doubts when all her neighbors got hooked on Rush Limbaugh, and ended up a registered Democrat crazy for Obama. I think I remember you saying your dad was a deep red conservative years ago, John, and always would be. So glad to see this post.

  77. 77.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @Jay: A little comedy geekery. Having taken some improv classes, I love seeing the pros do the classic “yes, and…” dynamic that improv teachers drill into you. Those guys are just riffing off each other, this is improv at its purest.

  78. 78.

    Ken

    @Barbara: there are no suburbs at all in Johnstown, PA.

    Someone was speculating why he holds rallies in little regional airports miles away from anywhere, and suggested:

    1. that’s where his supporters are
    2. no larger city would give a permit for a superspreader event
    3. the campaign is broke and can’t afford to rent a venue

    Most responses were along the lines of ¿Por qué no los tres?

  79. 79.

    J R in WV

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka):

    @Jay:

    This is just like the anti-war GI movement during the Vietnam War

    OK, now I’ve got to straighten you out. I was in the military during the Vietnam war. There was NO ANTI-GI movement during the war. The Anti-WAR movement wanted to save the lives of the men who were drafted into the SE Asia Wars. No one got spit on.

    People in the military were by and large treated with the same respect they are today with the exception of the rote saying of “Thank you for your service!” which I for one can live without. I don’t know where you picked up on this bull, but  you need to study on it some. No truth in it. None!

    The whole anti-GI stuff was dreamed up by the same people who are today telling people that Antifa is a terrorist organization.

  80. 80.

    Redshift

    Oh, also, whatever Trump is on is another instance of “every accusation is a confession” for his calls for drug tests before the debate.

  82. 82.

    Redshift

    My favorite sign was one that someone posted a photo of to the Virginia for Biden group a while back. It read:

    On November 3

    He’ll go away

    Like a miracle

  83. 83.

    Another Scott

    Nice sign, and great story. Thanks JC.

    I haven’t watched the hearings or read all of the play-by-play threads yet. Did anyone ask her something like:

    “Ms. Barrett – Why do you think you were nominated to be an Associate Justice of the SCOTUS by President* Trump? Please tell us why you think you selected, given your lack of experience, …” etc. Make her talk and tell us how brilliant she is and why she should go to the front of the line as the next Associate Justice.

    It’s a mystery!!1 Since she’s so eminently fair and doesn’t have any opinions of her own but only follows the law. Why she could be a Liberal Democrat for all we know, since she hasn’t expressed any opinions on anything at all!!11

    Grr…

    The law is complex, society is complex, and judges don’t just look at the law. They look at evidence and determine the facts. They look at precedents. They look at the impact of their rulings on society. Great Justices are people who apply the law in the interests of greater justice while also considering everything else.

    GrrRrrrr.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  85. 85.

    Miss Bianca

    @mad citizen: Downfall is one of my favorite movies (hmm, note to self, maybe watch it on election eve…?). I had seen countless parody memes of this scene before actually seeing it in context. And I thought I would laugh, but no – it’s powerful in context.

    In short, I don’t think the film makers have anything to worry about.

  87. 87.

    Achrachno

    @dww44: “Has this been answered already.  But, how does ONE get one of those signs?  I seriously want one preferably more!”

    They seem to be Biden campaign products.  The one John showed is pricey: c. $30, but the money goes to the best of causes.

     

    Google “Nope sign”

  89. 89.

    J R in WV

    My mom was a life long Republican. But on her deathbed, on O2 for her COPD caused by her addiction to Pall Malls, she told me that she had quit voting for Republicans, because of their opposition to reproductive rights, abortion in particular.

    She also asked me not to tell Dad, because it would just upset him, so I never did tell anyone but Wife, who was relieved and impressed to learn that. They are all gone now, so  it no longer matters.

    I suspect in the long ago when she was a college student, a close friend, or perhaps a cousin, had an illegal abortion and died from it. She was very strong in that opinion. She died a few months later, years longer than the doctors expected her to last.

  94. 94.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Brian Williams: With Biden ahead in the polls, and three weeks remaining, should Barack Obama have been out on the trail earlier?

    BriWi’s brains is scrambled.

  97. 97.

    Jay

    @J R in WV:

    Goku didn’t phrase it well, but what he really meant was the anti-war GI and Veterans movement.

    Postal workers rebuilt a sorting machine, not the technicians/contractors who sabotaged it.

  98. 98.

    JoyceH

    @J R in WV: I don’t blame Pelosi for getting exasperated. He kept asking her why she wouldn’t accept the proposed deal and he obviously didn’t know what was in the deal. “It’s $1.8 trillion and people are hurting!” That’s like saying, “your kids have colds so why aren’t you buying this bird feeder?” And just parroting the names of people who think she should take the bill, when those aren’t people who would know the details. He’s covering policy like a sporting event. Wolf, next time do your homework.

  99. 99.

    sdhays

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Isn’t it funny that Dump has been taunting Biden to “get out of his basement” for months, and when Joe starts to actually do regular campaign events, he opens up a double digit national lead? Not that there’s an actual causal relationship, but it’s just so “be careful what you wish for, asshole”.

  100. 100.

    Ivan X

    My absentee ballot from NYC has not yet arrived and simply shows status as “Reviewing”. Spent 3.5 hours on hold yesterday until they dropped the call at the dot of 5 (when the office closes). Not happy.

  101. 101.

    piratedan

    I didn’t watch the Auntie Amy audition, although I would have loved to see one of our Senators say, well gee Ms. Barrett, since you seemingly have no opinion on any current laws and refuse to speculate on what your future opinions might be, despite what we’ve unearthed out of your past that you now refuse to acknowledge… what makes you such an outstanding candidate for the highest court in the land?  Your ignorance?

  102. 102.

    Jay

    New: In light of Michigan militia plot news, I did a reporter's notebook piece looking back at covering 4 years of right-wing violence, how the president's rhetoric often inspires it, & how the MAGA movement is very much a fascist one. https://t.co/vlOWxIiLVL— Christopher Mathias (@letsgomathias) October 11, 2020

  104. 104.

    The Moar You Know

     

    I think different swastika design though. I think the Nazis modified it to make it look special.

    But, close enough resemblance to make many very uncomfortable. I think mainly a problem when they are stand alone symbols. I think Native pottery designs often link them up, or incorporate them in patterns and few notice what they are.

    @jl:   Not so much. Here’s some history.  

  105. 105.

    Jay

    @piratedan:

    saw a post, either Southpaw or PopeHat, pointing out that if she really was an “originalist”, not just a feral Christianist Nazi,

    well, women were the property of their husband, and had no rights back then,

    so there would be no Covid Amy nom, she would be at home, submitting to her Husband.

  108. 108.

    WaterGirl

    I was in bed, listening to the Preet podcast, and they played a clip of Barrett’s speaking voice.  Oh my god.  Like a little girl, and not in a good way.  Fingernails on a chalkboard.

    If the floors in the house weren’t cold, I would have contemplated getting up and getting a screwdriver and sticking it in my ears to make the sound of her voice stop.

    This whole thing is a travesty.  It makes a mockery of the court, of justice, of democracy. I am furious.  Wondering how the hell I am going to get to sleep tonight.

  110. 110.

    L85NJGT

    The wise man said: “It’s all politics……”

    They went with her, and forced the hearings, hoping she could take the bark off of Kamala. It fits with Trump yammering again about suburban women.

  111. 111.

    jl

    @The Moar You Know: Thanks for the page. I didn’t know so many pre-Nazi versions were reversed and rotated from the usual Native American version I’ve seen.

    How different any of them are is a matter of opinion, I suppose.

    Edit: I vaguely remember reading that Hindu symbols and spirituality were popular in Europe, US and Canada in decades after 1900. Maybe the popularity came from that.

  113. 113.

    Sally

    @JoyceH: I listened to some of the interview, so I hope I’m not misrepresenting the Speaker, but I felt she could have shut Blitzer down more effectively by saying that the $1.8T was money going to R interests and donors (and realtors like Kushners), and the $2.2T was money going to the American people who needed it the most. Perhaps she could have given a couple of examples of the differences in the programs, such as SNAP. I read some of the (awful) comments, and people think the bills are the same except for one being smaller than the other. They are not the same. The money is not going to the same places, that’s the point. That really is the point. I didn’t get that from Pelosi’s statements. But just telling people, in this toxic environment to trust the Chairs is not effective. I trust the Dem Chairs, but lots of less informed people will not. If the House accepted the $1.8T bill, the money will not go to the people who need it the most. That is why Speaker Pelosi won’t just roll over and accept it. Thank goodness.

  114. 114.

    LeftCoastYankee

    Our ballots get mailed out tomorrow in Oregon.  I will be hovering around my mailbox like Steve Martin in The Jerk… although I probably won’t yell “the new phone books are here!”

    Or maybe I will….

  115. 115.

    Prometheus Shrugged

    @Redshift: Same with my father, who was a “Reagan Republican”  for much of his life. He passed away in May (aged 92; it was mercifully quick, and all his faculties were intact until the end) but he voted for Biden in the California primary, only because I guaranteed to him that Biden was going to pick Kamala as his running mate.  So there’s clearly something about her that is reassuring to a certain set of seniors.  Perhaps it’s the fact that she exudes competence…

  119. 119.

    mvr

    Guess you are a thought leader.

    Seriously though, in the dark days of the zeros you’re willingness to change your mind was light.

  120. 120.

    Jay

    @Sally:

    a constant issue with “Progressives” is the assumption that everybody knows the subject as well as they do.

    They often don’t realize that far too often, they are dealing with venal idiots who have “mastered” half a dozen superficial talking points.

    After decades of this BS, they still walk right into it, because they take many people at good faith, when they are simply venal.

    Trump-SARS-Covid-19 is exposing a lot of BS that was tolerated or ignored in the past.

  122. 122.

    L85NJGT

    Lindsey Graham is a flabby, out of shape middleweight, who spent a career dodging quality opponents, getting thrown in with a top tier heavyweight.

  123. 123.

    Mai Naem mobile

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka): I haven’t dug into it. Just saw the blurb after seeing the USSC also throw out the emolluments case. After this I want the Court to be packed. If Donny gets his karma than John Roberts needs to get his karma for ripping up the VRA. Be in the minority of the court because you created it through voter suppression.

  124. 124.

    SectionH

    Good for your parents, John.

    I’m lucky, I’m the granddaughter, never mind daughter of serious Democrats.

    And y’know, still works for me. However bad some of them have been, it’s trivial in comparison.

  128. 128.

    Sab

    @J R in WV:  I volunteered on political campaigns for anti-war Democrats when I was in high school from 1970 on. I also went to protests. A lot of the older volunteers were returned Vietnam vets.

  129. 129.

    Sister Inspired Revolver of Freedom

    @mad citizen: Hell of a movie. The scene where Mrs Gobbels murders all six of her children, Holy Bleep! I also think they perfectly captured Eva Braun, who still remains an enigmatic character to this day.

  130. 130.

    trollhattan

    @Jay:

    Point. And since less doesn’t mean zero I’m also confident the odds are zero that Li’l Brett’s attack on the future doctor Ford was his only such act.

  133. 133.

    Lacuna Synechdoche

    @mad citizen: 

    I thought the filmmakers expressed they didn’t want people making memes of this scene anymore

    They did, but they changed their minds and eventually accepted it as both good advertising and good fun.

  134. 134.

    Gvg

    @J R in WV: you are incorrect. People are varied and do many things at the same time. There were individual acts by rude people to service men. They got exaggerated over time to make them seem common. No large group is perfect in every member. Of course there were some acts of disrespect and claiming otherwise is unbelievable.

    specifically, my uncle the Vietnam vet once encountered a bank teller who called him a baby killer to his face. My aunt also witnessed it. One example in his entire life, only brought up when asked. He said it was the only time. I do think it probably made a bad impression on him about the anti war movement, however he voted Kerry because he thought Bush was screwing up Iraq, and usually he voted NRA. Hates trump.

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    Uncle Cosmo

    Dunno how many here are decrepit enough to remember Nixon’s promise to “Bring Us Together,” but he sure brought our family together.

    Dad (a good FDR/LBJ Democrat) and I (longhairedhippyfreak college student), with occasional backup from my li’l bro, used to bicker nightly at the supper table over Vietnam (pausing only to verbally stomp on Mom when she tried to calm us down).

    That ended in mid-1973 as Tricky Dick’s anus horribilus**  began.  We’d gather around the TV to watch the nightly news & every time Milhous’s mug flashed onto the screen we would rise as one shaking a fist & shouting They’re gonna get you, you sonofabitch!

    (Narrator: And they did.)

    As it happened, Dad had despised the Trickster since he’d first smeared his way into the House of Representatives in 1946.

    Brought us right back together, he did!

    ** Sic, sic, sic!  ;^p

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