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You are here: Home / Civil Rights / Women's Rights / A Woman's Place Is In The House / Tuesday Evening Open Thread: Thank You, Senator Harris

Tuesday Evening Open Thread: Thank You, Senator Harris

by Anne Laurie|  October 13, 20205:40 pm| 137 Comments

This post is in: A Woman's Place Is In The House, Biden-Harris 2020, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat

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Thank you, Senator Kamala Harris pic.twitter.com/7AT7MBJrVb

— MeidasTouch.com (@MeidasTouch) October 13, 2020

As a proud graduate of Howard University, I’m always excited to hear from HBCU students. We are family—no matter which school we call home, or where we pledged. pic.twitter.com/DA4ou2DAuM

— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) October 10, 2020

Democrats are hoping that vice presidential candidate Kamala Harris helps them with Florida's booming population of people of Jamaican descent. The California senator's father is Jamaican. https://t.co/nSRpjH8cEH

— The Associated Press (@AP) October 11, 2020

… “The fact she has a lineage means you are going to see a lot of Jamaicans voting even if they were not doing so before,” said Antoinette Henry, director of corporate relations at the Dutch Pot Jamaican Restaurant, a company with several locations in South Florida. “Part of Jamaica will be in the White House.”

Broward County, home to Fort Lauderdale, is the county with the most Jamaicans in the United States. Florida has more than 974,000 people of West Indian ancestry — a Caribbean category that excludes Hispanic nationalities such as Cuban. That total includes more than 300,000 Jamaicans and more than 530,000 Haitians, according to census figures…

Between October 2016 and September 2018, more Jamaicans became naturalized U.S. citizens than did Venezuelans, a group pursued by the GOP, according to the most recently available data from the Department of Homeland Security.

“I can tell you Kamala is in the tongue of everyone. They are talking about what must be done to make sure we deliver for the team of Biden and Sen. Harris,” said Jamaican-born Hazelle Rogers, the mayor of Lauderdale Lakes who in 1996 became Florida’s first Jamaican to be elected to office. “We are so proud, and we know that we must deliver.” …

Shawn Myers, a voter in Broward County who is Jamaican American, said he would vote for Biden and Harris, just to unseat Trump.

“We need something better,” Myers said. “With her I feel like we are getting somewhere. She is strict, so she knows what she is doing.” …

An emotion with which we can all agree!

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  1. 1.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 13, 2020 at 5:49 pm

    Keith Olbermann to Mittens: STFU, Mittens!

  2. 2.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 13, 2020 at 5:52 pm

    On topic – well said, Senator Harris.  Thank you.

  3. 3.

    Sloane Ranger

    October 13, 2020 at 5:59 pm

    Did anyone see Nancy Pelosi have Wolf Blitzer’s guts for garters just now? She basically asked why he didn’t try to shame Republicans into compromising on the stimulus and told him he didn’t know what he was talking about. That lady has NMFLTG.

  4. 4.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 13, 2020 at 6:02 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:

    I am so glad Keith Olbermann is back with “Worst Person in the World.” I’ve been catching it every day since he launched it last week.

  5. 5.

    Baud

    October 13, 2020 at 6:04 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Isn’t it Trump every week?

  6. 6.

    Baud

    October 13, 2020 at 6:05 pm

    @Sloane Ranger:

    Seeing that would require watching Wolf Blitzer.

  7. 7.

    mrmoshpotato

    October 13, 2020 at 6:06 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: So am I!  It’s a great daily buildup to The Professional Left on Friday nights.

  8. 8.

    Kattails

    October 13, 2020 at 6:06 pm

    I better cough up a few more bucks and call Senator Harris’ office to commend her on this. SO interesting to watch Covid Barrett’s eyes as she listened.  There was one point at which she cast them down in what might be a second’s near-reflection. Otherwise, I’ve gotta go with Betty’s crazy eyes.

    I commented to someone just passing outside a store last night that we are all getting better at expressing just through our eyes, crinkles, eyebrows because we’re realizing that the subtle upturn-degree of lips isn’t available to us right now. More mime.

  9. 9.

    Sab

    October 13, 2020 at 6:11 pm

    Seven kids seems like a lot to manage for a full time working mom. Is there a nanny? Is said nanny legal? Are payroll taxes being paid? Every other woman for any congressionally approved office has to answerr this question. Why shouldn’t she.

  10. 10.

    jl

    October 13, 2020 at 6:14 pm

    The process of nominating judges and SCOTUS judges has become a dishonest charade. Both Democrats and Republicans say to their constituents that a nomination should not be approved because of the decision’s they’ll surely make, this or that law will be overturned or not. Then they get into the hearing room and ignore what they say to the public, or at least if they bring it up, a lot of high minded but dishonest argle-bargle ensues about how it is improper to talk about that, or take a stand on it, or decide a nomination on that basis.

    The most important thing is judicial philosophy, but I don’t see that is ever confronted directly. If I am wrong, I’d love some links for examples. But Barret spouted some confused BS about original intent and textualism, and that is a bad and unworkable judicial philosophy, and grounds for rejecting her nomination. I don’t see a problem with saying so in plain English.

    The only thing Glenn Greenwald ever wrote that did me any good was advice to read some SCOTUS decisions. So, I do that from time to time. I have no clue whether I would agree with Greenwald on the merits, but originalist and textualist opinions, in general, are sad messes. There are some decisions by Scalia and Kennedy I agree with, but Lord God, what a mess in terms of reasoning. IANAL, but the hell with that shit, I can tell when someone is BSing and pulling stuff out of their ass. Lawyer writing should pass the common sense test, but then, what do I know? IAHAL. For lawyers out there…. so exxxcuuuussse me…

  11. 11.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 13, 2020 at 6:18 pm

    @Baud: It’s daily, and there are enough WPITW to last him a good long while. He’s had five episodes so far; Trump has been WP in only one of them so far.

  12. 12.

    MomSense

    October 13, 2020 at 6:18 pm

    My youngest son loves loves loves Kamala.  He follows her, tells me about things she says and does, and gets into it with people on social media if they say anything bad about her.  Even on Instagram, I always see that he has liked her posts before I’ve seen them.

  13. 13.

    Tony Jay

    October 13, 2020 at 6:18 pm

    OT – Anyone else been having trouble commentating today? I tried to reply to Uncle Cosmo down in the daily Coronavirus thread but the comment wouldn’t show up, even though repeated attempts brought up the Duplicate Comment warning.

    This is unacceptable. I pay good (imaginary) bitcoin for exclusive membership here and I expect to be treated like a goddam prince of the realm, right!?!?

  14. 14.

    prostratedragon

    October 13, 2020 at 6:19 pm

    @Sab:  All good questions. Also I have the impression that the children have been on display with her throughout the hearings, now in their second day. Is that true? That by itself is some kind of parental malpractice. Shouldn’t most of them be at their lessons anyway?

  15. 15.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 13, 2020 at 6:19 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:

    I am not familiar with The Professional Left. What am I missing?

  16. 16.

    Baud

    October 13, 2020 at 6:20 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Strange title.  It’s the one thing Rahm got right.

  17. 17.

    MomSense

    October 13, 2020 at 6:21 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:

    I love Driftglass and Bluegal.  Because of the fucking Trump economy I’ve had to drop just about all my regular donations save for a few – and one of them is the Professional Left. I give to them every month and have for years.  I don’t agree with them about everything, but their goodness, intelligence, and love is helping me through.  Plus Bluegal is a knitter!

  18. 18.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 13, 2020 at 6:22 pm

    @Tony Jay:

    I had a weird thing in the (or a) thread downstairs. The reply button didn’t work, and my nym/email had disappeared and I had to type them in, just like the bad old days. It was just the one comment, and then things fixed themselves. No idea what happened.

  19. 19.

    pat

    October 13, 2020 at 6:22 pm

    @prostratedragon:

    They can’t possibly bring all those young children and expect them to sit through hours of stuff that none of us could stand to listen to…

    Could they?  Child abuse, right?

  20. 20.

    Dan B

    October 13, 2020 at 6:22 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: Olbermann is so shouty!

     

    Don’t.  Stop!  …..

    ….. Don’t stop!!!

  21. 21.

    jl

    October 13, 2020 at 6:23 pm

    Note that the GOP is setting far lower standards for Barrett than is usual. She won’t recuse herself from decisions on the election becuase… well just because, she says she is a good high minded person and we are to trust her. But Trump has repeatedly said that he wants a new justice before the election so the GOP could find some flimsy excuse to fix the election by throwing some BS to SCOTUS. And BTW, i hope it was pointed out, Graham said the same thing, even before he know who the nominee was.

    What happened to the ‘appearance of impropriety standard’? That is what the GOP has demanded up to now for liberal justices.

    I think the Barrett nomination is corrupt in every way, and that includes another GOP con on their gullible social conservatives. They’ve been prating and yelling about how Barrett’s nomination will mean the end of Roe versus Wade, but I’ve seen articles going over her history with quotes that show she’s been all over the map on that issue. One piece I remember, she said overturning Roe versus Wade was probably not the best approach. Probably best next move is to chip away at late term abortions to throw a wrench into abortion rights, god damn the sense of it or the consequences.. IF that is not corrupt ends-driven jurisprudence No on Barrett just on that alone.

    From what I’ve read, Barrett has been most consistent on corporate rights over everything else. So,  I think focus on ACA is going in the right direction. I hope that issue is explored more directly, if it is someone lest me know. Tnnx in advance.

  22. 22.

    Ohio Mom

    October 13, 2020 at 6:24 pm

    Sab: I think I heard there was an aunt doing childcare. But your question still stands, who is going all that laundry?

    And cooking? Whoever is cooking is cooking for what, at least ten? (7 kids+2 parents +1 aunt). For three meals a day, seven days a week. Better add grocery shopping to the list.

    There is definitely a housekeeper or two.

  23. 23.

    MomSense

    October 13, 2020 at 6:24 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    They are the best.  They do a weekly podcast.  Bluegal also works for Crooks and Liars and they both blog.

  24. 24.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 13, 2020 at 6:24 pm

    @MomSense:

    Is it a blog, or a podcast, or what?

    N/M, you answered as I was typing.

  25. 25.

    jl

    October 13, 2020 at 6:26 pm

    I think Grahams corrupt plea to Barrett to shut down the kind of small donor money going to his opponent Harrison would make a good oppo commercial. I’ll look for it.

  26. 26.

    Mary G

    October 13, 2020 at 6:26 pm

    I am so excited about Joe and Kamala, even though I didn’t expect to be. Compassion and competence l, who knew?

  27. 27.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2020 at 6:27 pm

    @Tony Jay: If it ever happens that your comment won’t show up, click the link near the comment box that says:

    If you don’t see both the Visual and the Text tab on the editor, click here to refresh.

    That manually forces cache to clear, and your comment should show up.  If it doesn’t, let me know.  The other reason a comment won’t show up is if you have more than 7 links in the comment, which sends it into spam.

    edit: I just checked the spam folder, and I found two of your comments in there.  First glance, it looks like the same comment, posted twice.  I will let them out.

  28. 28.

    Tony Jay

    October 13, 2020 at 6:29 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Mmmmmnn. Sounds like someone released gremlins into the system. Or else I’m being rightfully punished for slapping that purveyor of gypsy charms.

  29. 29.

    jl

    October 13, 2020 at 6:30 pm

    @jl: I meant Barrett’s appointment.

  30. 30.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2020 at 6:31 pm

    @Tony Jay: Check out my comment at around #28.

    I do not know what triggered your comment to go into spam, but i released it.

  31. 31.

    Tony Jay

    October 13, 2020 at 6:33 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    No links, just various insulting nicknames for the various wastes of baby-batter infesting your White House.

    I will try your magic spell if it happens again.

    And thank you for your rapid response to my petulant whining. Doublethumbsup!

  32. 32.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2020 at 6:33 pm

    @jl:

    I think Grahams corrupt plea to Barrett to shut down the kind of small donor money going to his opponent Harrison would make a good oppo commercial. I’ll look for it.

    What are you referring to?  Small-donor money should be outlawed?  But big donor money should be unlimited?

    What the hell?

  33. 33.

    a thousand flouncing lurkers was fidelio

    October 13, 2020 at 6:35 pm

    @Tony Jay:

    I expect to be treated like a goddam prince of the realm, right!?!?

    You mean you expect to have your personal choices endlessly picked over, flaws in your appearance “lovingly” mocked, your romantic partners hounded to the ends of the earth (nudes published when available), and your spouse constantly either canonized or demonized, hopefully while you are being well paid and housed to show up for public events with an appropriate expression on your mug?

  34. 34.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 13, 2020 at 6:35 pm

    @Tony Jay:

    I’m being rightfully punished for slapping that purveyor of gypsy charms.

    That was probably ill advised.

  35. 35.

    Calouste

    October 13, 2020 at 6:36 pm

    @jl: Rather than start with the facts, and work out the conclusion from them using logic and the scientific method and stuff like that, conservatives start with the conclusion they want, and work backwards from that and make up some shit so it appears to fit the facts. Occasionally, but not very often, their conclusion fits the facts as they are, but their “reasoning” never does.

  36. 36.

    RSA

    October 13, 2020 at 6:36 pm

    @jl: 

    There are some decisions by Scalia and Kennedy I agree with, but Lord God, what a mess in terms of reasoning.

    Take a very smart person from the 18th century (male, of course) and tell him that the German word Statistik has become common among English speakers, that flying machines can go faster than a projectile from a black powder musket, that every single book written up until his lifetime could be displayed on a device that fits in his pocket, that prehistoric creatures called “dinosaurs” existed, and a thousand other things that every adult takes for granted these days.

    Would he revise any of his opinions or his written words? Or would he trust conservative judges from the 21st century to read his long-dead mind correctly?

    That’s how originalism and textualism seem to me, at least. I am obviously not an expert.

  37. 37.

    a thousand flouncing lurkers was fidelio

    October 13, 2020 at 6:39 pm

    @jl: Let me just mention that William Rehnquist, no soft-hearted, bleating lib, recused himself during the bits of Watergate that made it to the Supremes, since Nixon has appointed him.
    So any judge appointed by Trump should do likewise. It’s a worthy example from a conservative jurist.

  38. 38.

    jl

    October 13, 2020 at 6:39 pm

    @WaterGirl: I don’t have time to get the link now, but paraphrasing what Graham said to Barrett: I hope you can look into the issue of where all that money my opponent is getting is coming from. And then something about how there is something sinister about it.

    I read recently that the average donation to Harrison is $37. Same kind of corrupt and tyrannical legal crap that Collins tried to pull when she had to face small donations gathered to oppose her during her corrupt and dishonest behavior during the Kavanaugh hearings.

  39. 39.

    Mary G

    October 13, 2020 at 6:39 pm

    Also, just got a text from the OC Registrar of Voters that my ballot has been received and will be counted. Not that it matters much in California, but it feels great.

  40. 40.

    Kent

    October 13, 2020 at 6:42 pm

    @Ohio Mom: If it is a “quiverfull” family then the older kids are probably doing some of the lifting to take care of the younger as well.  That’s how they run.  The older kids are treated as free labor.

  41. 41.

    raven

    October 13, 2020 at 6:42 pm

    @Mary G: Game is on.

  42. 42.

    Mudbrush

    October 13, 2020 at 6:43 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: You and me both! The Professional Left Podcast is the highlight of my Friday nights (sometimes Saturday mornings).

  43. 43.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2020 at 6:43 pm

    @Tony Jay: Actually, since your comment went into SPAM, what I suggested would not have helped.  But you can also post in the comments if your comment doesn’t show up, or better yet, send me email or use the Site Feedback form.  That way we can catch an issue in real time.

  44. 44.

    Tony Jay

    October 13, 2020 at 6:43 pm

    @a thousand flouncing lurkers was fidelio:

    Dude, I’m not a ginger.

  45. 45.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 13, 2020 at 6:44 pm

    @jl:

    And then something about how there is something sinister about it.

    It’s coming from folk of the left, so it’s sinister.

  46. 46.

    Wapiti

    October 13, 2020 at 6:44 pm

    @RSA: That two founders (Adams and Jefferson) were involved in court-blocking and court-packing tells me that in their minds it could certainly be justified.

  47. 47.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2020 at 6:45 pm

    @jl: Thanks for the paraphrase.  What a fucking whiner he is.

  48. 48.

    Tony Jay

    October 13, 2020 at 6:48 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    In my defence meth is a hell of a drug.

    Your Honour.

  49. 49.

    jl

    October 13, 2020 at 6:48 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I heard a quote from an early voter, a young black woman who’d been standing in line for hours. Asked why she put up with it, she said, that the fate of the nation depended in on it, and hey you know, might be her last chance to cast a vote in an honest election.

    I thought about her insight. I hope there are lot of Democratic voters who decide to get out early to get voting in an election that has half a chance to honest off their bucket list. Probably not as exciting as riding an elephant through idyllic tropical landscapes in Thailand, or top of the Eiffel tower, but it ain’t nothing.

  50. 50.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 13, 2020 at 6:49 pm

    ??⏰ Heads up! The Judiciary Committee is about to return from dinner break in a few minutes, and Kamala Harris is first up as the next questioner (and last Democrat today, I believe).

  51. 51.

    Crashman06

    October 13, 2020 at 6:49 pm

    I know this situation sucks but some of you are making it sound like we’re totally doomed when Barrett gets confirmed and that she’s going to throw the election to Trump no matter the result. Discouraging. I knew it was a good idea to skip the hearing threads this morning.

  52. 52.

    guachi

    October 13, 2020 at 6:50 pm

    I still haven’t even received my CA ballot yet. :(

    I’m jealous of all you voters.

  53. 53.

    Tony Jay

    October 13, 2020 at 6:50 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Gotcha. Thanks.

  54. 54.

    Mike in NC

    October 13, 2020 at 6:50 pm

    Used to get a kick out of Keith’s show back in the day. The “Worst Person in the World” was usually revealed to be pinhead Bill O’Reilly.

  55. 55.

    jl

    October 13, 2020 at 6:50 pm

    @WaterGirl: I hope Graham’s nasty and whiney pants pissing panic is a sign that he’s is SOL in the election.

  56. 56.

    Aziz, light!

    October 13, 2020 at 6:51 pm

    The only thing on Amy Covid’s mind is how to turn America into a theocracy. What her eyes show is her impatience with all this talk about helping the needy, which is not in the bible.

  57. 57.

    jl

    October 13, 2020 at 6:52 pm

    @Crashman06: I think if Democrats can get in enough early votes in swing states that start processing and counting early in-person and mail votes before the election, won’t be enough time for legal sabotage before decisive results are in.

    If we can win AZ, NC and FL, Trump is done.

    Edit: but if not, it will be very dangerous. May depend on how much corrupt justices think their long term project is tied to Trump versus McConnell.

  58. 58.

    debbie

    October 13, 2020 at 6:53 pm

    @jl:

    I will be shivering in 40-degree weather on Friday morning.

  59. 59.

    Scout211

    October 13, 2020 at 6:54 pm

    @guachi:

    oh oh. They all were supposed to go into the mail last Monday. Have you called your county elections office yet to see if it was mailed to you? You can also check on BallotTrax to see if it has been mailed.

  60. 60.

    Crashman06

    October 13, 2020 at 6:55 pm

    @Aziz, light!: I always wonder how right wing Catholics plan to resolve their doctrinal differences with their evangelical allies if they ever succeed in their crazy quest. Have they ever thought that through, or are we just looking forward to a Thirty Years War Part Two: America! scenario?

  61. 61.

    trollhattan

    October 13, 2020 at 6:56 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    TBF it’s perhaps mostly from that most dangerous of groups–decent folk. Science shows not one decent person donates to the Reelect Lindsay Graham campaign.

  62. 62.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    October 13, 2020 at 6:57 pm

    @jl:

    Didn’t Barrett also say that she believes only “virtuous citizens” should vote? That’s disqualifying in and of itself.

  63. 63.

    trollhattan

    October 13, 2020 at 6:57 pm

    @Crashman06:

    “Papist v. Fundy” could have made a great George Romero flick.

  64. 64.

    trollhattan

    October 13, 2020 at 6:58 pm

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka):

    IIUC she’s quite vociferous re. the “right” to tote a gun and  considers voting rather more a privalage.

  65. 65.

    jl

    October 13, 2020 at 7:00 pm

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka): Jefferson said once that any fool had the right to vote. That brought us Trump and a thoroughly rotten GOP Senate majority, I know. But enough of the 2016 fools have reformed themselves, and the problem can be fixed by an honest election.

    Who said ‘Democracy is the worst system of government, except for all the others’? I forget right now. I’d like to say Mark Twain, but I know it wasn’t.

  66. 66.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    October 13, 2020 at 7:00 pm

    @jl:

    I think Grahams corrupt plea to Barrett to shut down the kind of small donor money going to his opponent Harrison would make a good oppo commercial. I’ll look for it.

    “I do declare, just where is all of that money coming from, Judge Barrett?” *wink wink*

    How does Graham even think they would go about that?

  67. 67.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 13, 2020 at 7:01 pm

    @guachi: Mine came last Monday(the 5th), Madame and I filled ours out on Saturday and dropped them off at the collection box in the park.

  68. 68.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 13, 2020 at 7:02 pm

    @Mike in NC: A couple of times it was KO himself.

  69. 69.

    jl

    October 13, 2020 at 7:03 pm

    @WaterGirl: Here is part of Grahams comments about sinister small donor money Harrison is getting. Stumbled on it on Josh Marshall’s twitter. In the clip I saw, he whined more than this 20 seconds.

    ‘ Sen. Judiciary Chair Lindsey Graham uses his time to talk about his own race through a Citizens United question: “I can tell you there is a lot of money being raised in this campaign. I’d like to know where the hell some of it’s coming from. BUT, that’s not your problem.” ‘

    https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1316006704878845952

    After the anti-democratic legal stunt Collins tried to pull, I see the last sentence as a wink-wink nudge-nudge.

    Edit: Grahams legal point seems to be the Citizens United didn’t do enough to privilege big money.

  70. 70.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 13, 2020 at 7:03 pm

    @debbie: It’s down to 99 here.

  71. 71.

    surfk9

    October 13, 2020 at 7:05 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Just got a text from my county registrar, my ballot has been accepted and will be counted

  72. 72.

    Roger Moore

    October 13, 2020 at 7:06 pm

    @Mary G:

    Not that it matters much in California, but it feels great.

    It may not matter that much at the state level, but you’re doing your part to keep OC blue.

  73. 73.

    jl

    October 13, 2020 at 7:06 pm

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka): In the beforetimes when I was young and innocent, I would wonder too. But after Collins tried to get the small donor fund raised to punish her for her corrupt and dishonest behavior during Kavanaugh hearings declared an illegal attempt at a bribe, I don’t take talk like that lightly.

  74. 74.

    jl

    October 13, 2020 at 7:09 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Enjoy the brisk cool weather while you can. I heard weather forecaster say CA will heat up later this week. You people have a 120 degree mark to break.

  75. 75.

    Roger Moore

    October 13, 2020 at 7:09 pm

    @Crashman06:

    I always wonder how right wing Catholics plan to resolve their doctrinal differences with their evangelical allies if they ever succeed in their crazy quest.

    They’re too worried about defeating the true enemy- liberals- to think about what’s going to happen if they win.

  76. 76.

    Nora Lenderbee

    October 13, 2020 at 7:09 pm

    @jl: Wasn’t it Churchill?

  77. 77.

    debbie

    October 13, 2020 at 7:10 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Yeah, I’m no fan of really hot weather. I just wish the 70-degree days had stuck around for just one more week.

  78. 78.

    jl

    October 13, 2020 at 7:12 pm

    @Nora Lenderbee: Thanks, I think you are right.

    Edit: but it should have been Mark Twain or Will Rogers, not sayin’ just sayin’…

  79. 79.

    Geminid

    October 13, 2020 at 7:12 pm

    @RSA: Conservatives used to describe Originalism and Textualism as “Strict Constructionism.” But in application  the concept was so racist it had to be rebranded as Originalism and Textualism.

  80. 80.

    gene108

    October 13, 2020 at 7:14 pm

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka):

    How does Graham even think they would go about that?

    Direct contributions to candidates are public record.

    There’s a website (too lazy to find it) that lets anyone lookup who has donated to a candidate.

  81. 81.

    germy

    October 13, 2020 at 7:15 pm

    Kamala Harris is questioning Amy Barrett.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyS3v-_AHfU

  82. 82.

    jl

    October 13, 2020 at 7:17 pm

    @Geminid: I remember reading an admiring interview with Scalia where they spent time pondering whether Scalia was ‘really’ a textualist or an originalist. It had the air of narcissistic chit chat with a novelist about whether they were a world historical genius or far beyond that. Or, trying to appreciate different qualities of a fine wine, and what kind of wine it really was.

    Would be sad and silly, except Scalia had a lot of power to do harm and corrupt our precious youth with nonsensical thinking.

    Edit: In my IANAL opinion, some of Scalia’s opinions I read weren’t anything more than pants shitting fear, or general airing of grievances. IANAL, but I could not see a speck of law in them.

  83. 83.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 13, 2020 at 7:17 pm

    @jl: Just a few more days in the upper 90’s.

  84. 84.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 13, 2020 at 7:19 pm

    @jl:

    In the beforetimes when I was young and innocent…

    …and dinosaurs roamed the earth.

  85. 85.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 13, 2020 at 7:19 pm

    @debbie: It’s a dry heat, ya know, like your oven.

  86. 86.

    jl

    October 13, 2020 at 7:20 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: ‘…and dinosaurs roamed the earth.’

    Comes to mind, you’ve been promising us those pics for a long time.

  87. 87.

    Kent

    October 13, 2020 at 7:20 pm

    @Crashman06: I always wonder how right wing Catholics plan to resolve their doctrinal differences with their evangelical allies if they ever succeed in their crazy quest.

    What doctrinal differences?

    The official position of the Southern Baptist Convention is to oppose all abortion except when necessary to save the life of the mother.  The Catholics don’t even allow for that loophole.  So.  Shrug, bygones.  If a few women have to die, so be it.

    You didn’t think they actually cared about theology did you?

  88. 88.

    E.

    October 13, 2020 at 7:20 pm

    @jl: She doesn’t think ending Roe is a good idea because it lets States decide. Much better to find a human right not to be aborted. This makes abortion unlawful everywhere in America. We have no real choice but to pack the Court if she is in it.

  89. 89.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 13, 2020 at 7:23 pm

    @jl: I think you’re confusing me and Albatrossity, he does the birds.  I know all of us photographers look alike.

  90. 90.

    germy

    October 13, 2020 at 7:25 pm

    Barrett needs a drink of water after Kamala Harris’s questioning.

  91. 91.

    jl

    October 13, 2020 at 7:28 pm

    @E.: From what I’ve read she’s said different things at different times. If that is her position now, thanks for the info.

    (again, IANAL), but  if that is her current opinion, I think it is the worse approach that will be most damaging to intellectual honesty, human rights and our health.

    Better to just straight out argue that Roe versus Wade is wrong, and let people decide on the merits (not much, but better than dishonest BSing)

    Going after late term abortions is very very bad. It dives right into extremely difficult and technical medical decisions, and hard balancing of near term fetus and mother’s lives and rights. No place for BS law. Most of the legal crap on late term abortion is so sloppily written and so carefully avoids any medical science, it is extremely dangerous and irresponsible. Not that the other side gives a damn. If both the fetus and mother die in many cases, a small price to pay for arrogant self-righteousness and spiritual pride.

  92. 92.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2020 at 7:29 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: It’s ridiculous that her audio is so awful.  If it’s not deliberate, there’s no excuse for it not to have been fixed since yesterday.

  93. 93.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2020 at 7:29 pm

    @jl: I certainly hope so!

  94. 94.

    debbie

    October 13, 2020 at 7:30 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Exactly. ?

  95. 95.

    jl

    October 13, 2020 at 7:31 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: No dice buddy. I want the real dinosaurs.

    I heard a TED talk by a paleontologist who said he tried to argue with his kids that birds had been officially classified as dinosaurs, so bird watching and Jurassic Park were the same thing. His tweeners called BS. He admitted that  it didn’t pass the tweener jeer test.

  96. 96.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 13, 2020 at 7:35 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Agreed, although it seemed marginally better today.

  97. 97.

    debbie

    October 13, 2020 at 7:37 pm

    This seems…unsurprising.

    White House Halloween will happen “as usual” despite pandemic, source says
    From CNN’s Kate Bennett

    The annual White House Halloween festivities are going ahead “as usual,“ despite the pandemic, a source familiar with the planning tells CNN.

    “It is full-steam-ahead,” says the source.

    The event draws several dozen families to the White House South Lawn each year for games and trick-or-treating with the President and first lady, who pass out candy. The guests invited to attend are in large part White House staff and military families, as well as local schoolchildren.

    Trump and Melania Trump announced on Oct. 2 they had tested positive for Covid-19. White House physician Sean Conley said yesterday that Trump has tested negative for Covid-19 on consecutive days.

    A White House official confirms the Halloween event will be taking place, adding it will be “modified” to follow CDC guidelines. The official said those guidelines will include face masks and other protective elements, but did not expand on specifics at this time.

  98. 98.

    Roger Moore

    October 13, 2020 at 7:40 pm

    @jl:

    I thought the Pete Buttigieg quote about it summarizes the issue nicely.  Nobody gets a third trimester abortion because they don’t want a baby.  They very much want the baby but have something medical come up that means the pregnancy isn’t going to result in a live baby and mother.  Getting the state involved in deciding what to do doesn’t make that situation any better.

  99. 99.

    Kathleen

    October 13, 2020 at 7:40 pm

    @MomSense: Driftglass is the curator of “How We Got Here” for sure. He’s been archiving the horrors of our Rethuglican Bully Daddies and the craven courier media who love them for at least 10 years.

  100. 100.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    October 13, 2020 at 7:41 pm

    @jl:

    I remember Collins tried that bullshit. It pissed me off then and it still pisses me off. Please Mainers, vote her out of office

  101. 101.

    debbie

    October 13, 2020 at 7:41 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    He should go further: No one in their right mind would choose to have their insides scraped and sucked out  just as a convenient means of birth control.

  102. 102.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 13, 2020 at 7:42 pm

    @jl:

    Who said ‘Democracy is the worst system of government, except for all the others’? I forget right now. I’d like to say Mark Twain, but I know it wasn’t.

    I want to say it was Churchill. If he didn’t originate it, he certainly quoted it authoritatively enough to be given credit.

     

    ETA: I see Nora Lenderbee @76 came to the same conclusion. Should have read all the comments. Sigh.

  103. 103.

    MisterForkbeard

    October 13, 2020 at 7:43 pm

    This is an appropriate thread to post the Best T-Shirt Ever. I have two cousins that really disliked Kamala in the primaries but loved her after the debate, and forwarded this to me today:

    https://hauntedwaterpark.com/collections/featured/products/kamala-rocks-tee

    EDIT: Damn, I see Adam has posted a new thread, and now no one will see this. :(

  104. 104.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    October 13, 2020 at 7:46 pm

    @gene108:

    Direct contributions to candidates are public record.

    There’s a website (too lazy to find it) that lets anyone lookup who has donated to a candidate

    I don’t follow

  105. 105.

    Kay

    October 13, 2020 at 7:47 pm

    Rob Vaughn
    @RobVaughnNews
    · 3h
    WHOA: New poll — from DeSales U and @69News — shows both @JoeBiden and @RepSusanWild (D) have big leads in Lehigh Valley’s 7th Cong. District:
    Biden +15; Wild +18.
    Approve handling of #COVID19 :
    Pa. Gov. Wolf 59%
    Pres. Trump 35%

    Clinton won it by 1

  106. 106.

    Kathleen

    October 13, 2020 at 7:48 pm

    @debbie: Ooooh! I look forward to the pics of Stephen Miller and his wife cos playing Joseph and Magda Goebbels passing out poisoned candy. The sight of Stephen’s shiny jack boots will make Mother Pence tingly.

  107. 107.

    Baud

    October 13, 2020 at 7:48 pm

    @Kay: I want more.

  108. 108.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    October 13, 2020 at 7:50 pm

    @jl:

    It was definitely Churchill, I think, who said that.

    The whole “virtuous citizens” thing goes against the very notion of modern representative liberal democracy. They have to understand the consequences of going down this road from a geopolitical perspective. Our allies and the international community will flip their shit

  109. 109.

    Jerzy Russian

    October 13, 2020 at 7:50 pm

    @debbie:   Did the Third Lady also “fuck Halloween”, or were the “fucks” only confined to Christmas?

  110. 110.

    Jerzy Russian

    October 13, 2020 at 7:53 pm

    @Jerzy Russian:   …also SAY …

  111. 111.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    October 13, 2020 at 7:53 pm

    @Kay:

    @Baud:

    Looked it up. That’s where Allentown is. White working class central, right? That’s a big Biden deal!

  112. 112.

    jl

    October 13, 2020 at 7:54 pm

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka): ‘Virtuous citizens’ probably is code for things that begin with the color White. IMHO. Even putting the most charitable light on it, too bad Barrett thinks Sesame Street songs are the basis for constitutional interpretation.

    From what I know so far, nearly every time Barrett opens her mouth, something disqualifying stumbles out.

  113. 113.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 13, 2020 at 7:56 pm

    @debbie:

    trick-or-treating with the President and first lady, who pass out

    So, one of those delayed effects from their having had Covid?

  114. 114.

    Quinerly

    October 13, 2020 at 7:57 pm

    I’ll leave this here. It’s not just a few of us on earlier threads:

    “Coney’s voice should be prohibited by the Geneva Convention.”. Andy Borowitz

  115. 115.

    NotMax

    October 13, 2020 at 7:57 pm

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    Puh-leeze, equal weighting rules demand it be Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton. Like the airport.

    :)

  116. 116.

    Geminid

    October 13, 2020 at 7:58 pm

    @jl: I liked Scalia’s opinion in Heller. He did find an individual right to possess firearms, but said it was subject to reasonable regulation by government. So far Connecticut’s assault weapons ban and California’s strict licensing requirements have been upheld. And Virginia’s recent gun safety legislation will likely stand, unless Roberts and Gorsuch can be persuaded to renounce Scalia’s interpretation of the 2nd Amendment I don’t think they will..

  117. 117.

    Quinerly

    October 13, 2020 at 7:59 pm

    @MisterForkbeard: ?

  118. 118.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 13, 2020 at 8:00 pm

    @jl: Here ya go.

  119. 119.

    MisterForkbeard

    October 13, 2020 at 8:01 pm

    @Quinerly: I’m glad one person liked it, at least. :)

    Proceeds (supposedly) get donated to the Biden/Harris campaign. No way for me to verify that.

  120. 120.

    jl

    October 13, 2020 at 8:04 pm

    @Geminid:  IIRC my reaction was to some of Scalia’s national security and religious liberty decisions.

  121. 121.

    jl

    October 13, 2020 at 8:05 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Thanks, but that is a defunct dinosaur. I wanted the ones you took back in the day when you were young and innocent, running with the triceratops, wind in your hair.

  122. 122.

    Aleta

    October 13, 2020 at 8:11 pm

    @jl: don’t you mean “from”?

  123. 123.

    Yutsano

    October 13, 2020 at 8:12 pm

    I’mma let y’all finish praising Kamala, but we gotta give some love to Senator Hirono of Hawai’i as well.

    This is a Senator Mazie Hirono appreciation tweet pic.twitter.com/XYaprtEvYs— Karin Sung ? (@KarinSung_) October 13, 2020

  124. 124.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2020 at 8:16 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I thought that clip from Kamala was terrible.  But maybe that was from yesterday?

  125. 125.

    oatler.

    October 13, 2020 at 8:16 pm

    @Tony Jay:

    “baby batter” Reminds me of a Harvey Mandel record.

  126. 126.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    October 13, 2020 at 8:18 pm

    @jl: No dinosaurs when I was young.

  127. 127.

    Aleta

    October 13, 2020 at 8:23 pm

    @MisterForkbeard:  That’s beautiful.  You could just keep on linking to it every day in other threads.  Who wouldn’t want to take another look at that shirt?  It made me feel better already.

  128. 128.

    MisterForkbeard

    October 13, 2020 at 8:26 pm

    @Aleta: I’ll probably do that.

  129. 129.

    Goku (Amerikan Baka)

    October 13, 2020 at 8:31 pm

    @jl:

    That didn’t escape me, trust me

    @NotMax:

    LOL

  130. 130.

    Geminid

    October 13, 2020 at 8:38 pm

    @jl: I wasn’t  trying to push against your criticisms of Scalia in those areas. Just bringing up a different issue where I thought he came up with a good decision.

  131. 131.

    Ken

    October 13, 2020 at 8:39 pm

    @Crashman06: I always wonder how right wing Catholics plan to resolve their doctrinal differences with their evangelical allies if they ever succeed in their crazy quest.

    All advocates of a theocracy seem to think they’ll end up as the theocrat.  Historically, most have been wrong.

  132. 132.

    Ken

    October 13, 2020 at 9:06 pm

    @Goku (Amerikan Baka): How does Graham even think they would go about that?

    The trick would be to do it without making all PACs illegal.

  133. 133.

    Bluegirlfromwyo

    October 13, 2020 at 9:09 pm

    @Yutsano: Don’t scan below that tweet. It’s all conservatives raving about Covid Amy’s lack of notes. Apparently she’s brilliant because of it. But, really, how long does it take to memorize I’m a handmaid with a fetus fetish and me and my compadres are the only deserving Americans?

  134. 134.

    J R in WV

    October 13, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    @jl:

    Who said ‘Democracy is the worst system of government, except for all the others’? I forget right now. I’d like to say Mark Twain, but I know it wasn’t.

    I think it may have been Benjamin Franklin…

  135. 135.

    Nutmeg again

    October 13, 2020 at 10:10 pm

    I decided I would vote in person. I live in a small town, and it seemed to me that the mail in voting in CT was complex. Maybe I’m a dummy.  I know this is a weird election year, but it’ll be my first election here, so I want to see what happens. I think I’ll buy (another) fold-out lightweight museum tripod stool, or cane with a seat (have trouble standing for long periods of time). Maybe I’ll put my handicapped car tag around my neck!

  136. 136.

    WaterGirl

    October 13, 2020 at 10:38 pm

    @Nutmeg again: Good for you, but only if your health allows it.  A stool or something sounds like a good solution if you do go in person.

  137. 137.

    NotMax

    October 13, 2020 at 11:28 pm

    @WaterGirl

    Just FYI, these puppies function well.

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