Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

New McCarthy, same old McCarthyism.

When your entire life is steeped in white supremacy, equality feels like discrimination.

Motto for the House: Flip 5 and lose none.

Prediction: the GOP will rethink its strategy of boycotting future committees.

Red lights blinking on democracy’s dashboard

Come on, media. you have one job. start doing it.

If you are still in the GOP, you are an extremist.

Impressively dumb. Congratulations.

Incompetence, fear, or corruption? why not all three?

I’m pretty sure there’s only one Jack Smith.

Republicans do not pay their debts.

You can’t attract Republican voters. You can only out organize them.

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

Peak wingnut was a lie.

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

Since when do we limit our critiques to things we could do better ourselves?

Jesus, Mary, & Joseph how is that election even close?

I like you, you’re my kind of trouble.

Infrastructure week. at last.

Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.

They traffic in fear. it is their only currency. if we are fearful, they are winning.

The arc of history bends toward the same old fuckery.

I did not have this on my fuck 2022 bingo card.

Take hopelessness and turn it into resilience.

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How about we keep this thread orange disease free and focus on the real message, how we are going to build back better.

Live: Biden Economic Recovery Plan

While we wait this was refreshing, inspiring and balm for my soul:

Just received notification that:

Boulder County Elections has verified the signature on your mail ballot return envelope and your ballot will now be counted. This is your final message this election. Thank you for voting!

So that worry is off my plate.

Biden/Harris 2020. Let’s do this!

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  3. 3.

    debbie

    how we are going to build back better

    We will do it with the knowledge we can’t make things any worse than they are now.

  9. 9.

    debbie

    “Can you imagine if I had had a secret Chinese bank account when I was running for reelection?” BOOM!

  11. 11.

    mali muso

    “of the taxes Donald Trump pays, he may be sending more to foreign governments than the United States”

    tells story about probably paying more taxes at his first job working at Baskin and Robbins

    NFLTG Obama is the best.

  14. 14.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Obama calls trump lazy and in over his head then goes for the kill: His ratings are down

    Ivanka is desperately trying to get Kellyanne Conway to come back and help get the phone away from The Beast

  15. 15.

    lamh36

    “Can you imagine if I’d have had a secret Chinese bank account when I was running for re-election?”  jokes that Fox News would have called him “Beijing Barry.”

  20. 20.

    dmsilev

    @Adam L Silverman: It’s just as well that the Halloween costume companies have already rolled out their product line for this year. I don’t think the world is ready for a “sexy Rudy” costume.

  22. 22.

    Llelldorin

    @Adam L Silverman:

    That’s a truly horrific photo of Guiliani. I mean, he’s cadaverous at the best of times, but that looks like a photo taken shortly after choosing the wrong grail.

  25. 25.

    Llelldorin

    I know I’m going to be roughly the hundred thousandth to say so, but good heavens do I miss Obama. I’d forgotten what it was like to have a President who could speak well.

  26. 26.

    mali muso

    I gotta say, I love seeing Obama on fire in a rally setting.  Something that I’ve missed during these pandemic times.

  27. 27.

    lamh36

    President Obama: “Donald Trump is not gonna suddenly protect us! He couldn’t take the proper precautions to protect himself!”

  31. 31.

    lamh36

    Obama: “I get that this president wants full credit for the economy he inherited and zero blame for the pandemic he ignored. But you know what? The job doesn’t work that way. Tweeting at the television doesn’t fix things. Making stuff up doesn’t make people’s lives better.”

     

    Damn… “he did inherit longest job growth in history…but just like everything he’s inherited…he lost it!”

  33. 33.

    LuciaMia

    And it probably burns that CNN is showing this speech but barely touches Trumps rallies.

    And on Fox, yup, no Obama.

  35. 35.

    lamh36

    Obama in Philadelphia: “8 months into this pandemic, cases are rising again across this country. Donald Trump isn’t suddenly going to protect all of us. He can’t even take the basic steps to protect himself.”

  36. 36.

    SiubhanDuinne

    “It’s [replacement for Obamacare] been coming for two weeks for the last ten years!” BOOMBOOMBOOM.

  37. 37.

    lamh36

    @EricHaywood

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    46s

    Obama been keeping four years’ worth of Trump clapbacks in the vault and we’re about to hear them ALL over the next two weeks

  39. 39.

    lamh36

    Obama: “When asked if he’d do anything differently, Trump said, ‘not much.’ Really? Not much? Nothing you can think of that could have helped some people keep their loved ones alive? So Joe’s not going to screw up testing … He’s not going to host a super-spreader event.”

  41. 41.

    lamh36

    “With Joe & Kamala at the helm, you’re not going to have to worry about the crazy things they say every day.”

  42. 42.

    Llelldorin

    “That’s not normal Presidential behavior!” is something I’ve been waiting for someone to bellow for the last four years.

  45. 45.

    glc

    I just wrote to NJ (or rather, my county) asking about the ballot dropped off Oct. 10 in the drop-off box and not shown as received in the tracker. Somewhere it says it may take a week. I don’t actually see any reporting on the reliability and lag of that system.

    In principle they are allowed to start counting in three days. But meanwhile they are supposed to be logging everything.

  46. 46.

    debbie

    How do these drive-in rallies work? Do people have their windows rolled down or are his remarks playing on the radios?

  47. 47.

    lamh36

    President Obama says: “Donald Trump isn’t suddenly going to protect all of us. He can’t even take the basic steps to protect himself.”

  52. 52.

    LuciaMia

    “lie every day and just make stuff up!”

     

    You just know he was dying to say “make shit up.”

  56. 56.

    lamh36

    “We’ve got to turn out like never before. We cannot leave any doubt in this election,” Obama said, recalling the final days of the 2016 campaign. “A whole bunch of people stayed at home and got lazy and complacent. Not this time. Not in this election.”

  58. 58.

    Aleta

    “Government can’t fix everything but at least you can vote for a  president who won’t make things much much much worse.”  (didn’t really say that)

  59. 59.

    Yutsano

    “Vote and get some change and vote some more and get some more change and vote some more until we get it right!”

    EDIT: I should be doing training stuff for work but that ain’t happening right now.

  61. 61.

    lamh36

    Obama has been holding this shit in for 4 years and he’s finally able to let it out for Biden!

  62. 62.

    lamh36

    Barack Obama: “Believe me, I’ve got firsthand experience with the way Republicans in Congress abuse the rules to make it easy for special interests to stop progress. But we can make things better.”

  63. 63.

    HumboldtBlue

    Liverpool get out of Amsterdam with three points and Obama comes out landing right crosses and left hooks in Philly.

    Damn fine day.

    @lamh36:

    And he’s using his real inflection and voice, no need for moderated smoothness, real talk.

    And one other thing, the facial animation from the signer was a joy to watch.

  64. 64.

    Ocotillo

    Anecdotal stuff:

    I voted, hooray!

    Mrs. O is an election judge.  Typical early voting traffic is around 850/day at her location, it has been over a 1,000/day, yesterday was 1,500.

    Location is heavily white area, lots of African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asians and sub-continent Asians voting in larger numbers than usual.

    I was in the Rio Grande Valley today, the bank I was in the lady I was visiting with produced a Biden/Harris hat.  She said everyone that works in the bank is voting for Biden, even the GOP president.

    Lot’s a masks in that part of Texas.  If I go to west Texas or east Texas (redneck haven), masks are rare.

    Let’s go Joe!

  65. 65.

    Yutsano

    “We can’t just imagine a better future. We have to work hustle for it!” Oh ye gods how much I missed this man…

    EDIT: ending with Bruce!

  67. 67.

    glc

    P.S. NJ replies to my query by assuring me that ballots will be mailed out by Oct. 5.

    Not entirely reassured by that, particularly since I was asking about one that has been returned via a secure drop-box.

    Meh.

  68. 68.

    debbie

    Whew! He hit every single mark with laser-like precision!

     

    Bonus: The huge smile on the interpreter’s face at the end!

  71. 71.

    HumboldtBlue

    “[Trump] has not shown any interest in doing the work or helping anybody but himself & his friends or treating the presidency like a reality show he can use to get attention..the only people truly better off than they were 4 years ago are billionaires who got his tax cuts”

  74. 74.

    MomSense

    Obama was awesome.

    Anyone see the photos of Moscow Mitch?  Did he fall?  What is going on with his hands?

  76. 76.

    JPL

    @debbie: It  would not surprise me if George W came out tomorrow.  Trump is dangerous and it’s time for folks to stand up against him.

  80. 80.

    WaterGirl

    I started crying the second they started playing City of Blinding Lights – it brought me back to all those Obama rallies I worked in 2007/2008.  I love Barack Obama so much.  I hate these last 8 years.

  93. 93.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    I’ve voted and am slurping a Hendrick’s martini while smoking an Oliva Robusto. My stash is dwindling, so I have ordered up a box of Rocky Patel Decades (I’ve got about a half dozen premium sticks left), and am toying with encroaching on the emergency stash of Jephtha Creed bourbon….

  94. 94.

    NotMax

    OT. Have there been any sightings of Major⁴? Got some info about something upcoming he may not be aware of which he might find right up his alley both personally and professionally.

    Of course I’ll share it here at Jackal Central Station (as maybe others might be interested) but have been patiently waiting to see his nym before doing so.

  95. 95.

    mali muso

    @Jeffro: Yeah, just seeing his familiar face and voice and remembering what a GOOD and DECENT man we had in the White House.  Campaign rally Obama also reminds me of my many hours of volunteering during the 2008 campaign here in Virginia and how it felt to be part of something bigger and greater than myself.

  97. 97.

    Jeffro

    @debbie: I’m only halfway through right now but wow, I’m going to have to see this again.  Already kicked it out on FB and Twitter.

    Jesus, he covered EVERYTHING – the bounties on our troops, ” ‘suckers and losers’?…who does that?”

  99. 99.

    Yutsano

    @zhena gogolia:  You really need to. I know you have been rather pessimistic about the election lately so I predict this is going to give you hope again. It certainly got me fired up!

  100. 100.

    lamh36

    @TaMara (HFG): it was great.  I’ll be honest, I haven’t listened or watch many of the speeches and rally stuff even from Biden/Harris much.  I’ve had to catch clips later.  But I saw this PBO speech LIVE and I’m glad I did.

    I said before, Obeezy got me fired up. I might actually watch Joy Ann Reid and nem tonight as I wait to see if Chump strokes out in response…LOL

  103. 103.

    debbie

    @Jeffro:

    Not a single word, not a single gesture was wasted. Seriously, a textbook lesson for public speakers on how to politically speechify.

  104. 104.

    Jeffro

    @lamh36: it’s amazing.  it’s just fucking amazing.

    He’s on to the folks trumpov has appointed to run destroy the very agencies they’re in charge of.

    America needs a good dose of this, big big big time.

  105. 105.

    Mai Naem mobile

    @JPL: I just don’t see George W coming out for Biden. I think they’re too concerned about killing George P’s political future.

    Gawd, it’s so good to see Obama at a rally. Its so good to see a president i am proud of instead of the disgusting turd that’s in office right now. I’ve been wondering what Obama has been thinking for the past.fpir years. That gave us a good idea lol. It’s like a boxer who’s punching and keeps on punching…’you want more pain?’…here’s some more..

  110. 110.

    JCJ

    @WaterGirl: The first U2 show I went to opened with City of Blinding Lights.  When I hear that song now I think of both that concert and the Obama Team playing it.

  116. 116.

    NotMax

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    For future reference, a linky to the outfit I’ve been satisfied with when it comes to stogie stuff. I deal with ’em strictly through their toll-free phone number as don’t cotton much to online commercing (aside from Amazon, which I still have to mentally wrangle long and hard about each time before timorously clicking the purchase button).

  121. 121.

    Gravenstone

    @SiubhanDuinne: When I first heard about today’s Obama appearance, I wondered how directly he would needle Trump? Now, I can only assume he’s trying to induce that long overdue stroke or aneurysm. Because he’s twisting all the knives!

  122. 122.

    germy

    (1) The Borat video is a complete fabrication. I was tucking in my shirt after taking off the recording equipment.

    At no time before, during, or after the interview was I ever inappropriate. If Sacha Baron Cohen implies otherwise he is a stone-cold liar.

    — Rudy W. Giuliani (@RudyGiuliani) October 21, 2020

    Nip and tuck.

  125. 125.

    Gary K

    @mali muso: Yeah, I love NFLTG Obama, but it’s a tough call. Is that better than Loves-the-1-to-6-year-old-demographic Obama, or than “Amazing Grace” Obama?

  130. 130.

    chopper

    @germy:

    9iu11ani is gonna try to bluster his way out of this, isn’t he. well you know what they say, when the law’s on your side, beat the law. when the facts are on your side, beat the facts. when neither are on your side, beat your meat in front of hold on, i’ll come in again

  131. 131.

    germy

    @Jay:

    I remember one of the republican criticisms of Obama’s Affordable Care Act was… “all those pages!  It’s so long!  Who can read it?!”

  132. 132.

    Baud

    @lamh36:

    This?

    U.S. government concludes Iran was behind threatening emails sent to Democrats

    The deceptive campaign made use of a Internet domain associated with the far-right Proud Boys

  137. 137.

    germy

    Iran and Russia have taken specific actions to influence our elections

     

    That’s the FBI announcement.

  138. 138.

    NotMax

    @Jay

    It’s the emperor’s new clothes gambit. Only the bestest, most stable geniusy people can see the text.

  140. 140.

    lamh36

    @Baud:

    Breaking. DNI Ratcliffe: “Two foreign actors, Iran and Russia, have taken specific actions to influence public opinion relating to our elections. First, we have confirmed that some voter registration information has been obtained by Iran and separately by Russia.”

     

    So they trying to say Iran in behind the threatening emails to Democratic voters…why dafuq would Iran be emailing Dem voters…I call bullshit cover so Russia won’t be solely named

  145. 145.

    lamh36

    @lamh36:

    guys, it’s bullshit. Yes Russian and Iran are allies, but sending threatening emails to Dem voters to “hurt Trump”…really how? this is just the admin setting the stage for NOT accepting the election results.

     

    It’s bullshit

  146. 146.

    L85NJGT

    @MomSense:

    I heard him on the radio sounding not so good. Poor enunciation, and he couldn’t pronounce R’s. The decline has been noticeable over the last year or so. I wonder if he has been hiding another malady.

  147. 147.

    Marcopolo

    @lamh36: The thing is anyone can obtain voter registration information. I can. You can. It is how campaigns operate & they’d be hard pressed to operate without it. Anyone can go to local and state election boards and buy the registered voter information.

    Anyways, guess we will see if there is more there there but having access to the information is a nothing burger. Having direct access to the files themselves would be something else.

  148. 148.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @lamh36:

    guys, it’s bullshit. Yes Russian and Iran are allies, but sending threatening emails to Dem voters to “hurt Trump”…really how?

    I know, right? Iran would be better off with a Dem administration in the sense that they would at least be dealing with somebody coherent

  149. 149.

    NotMax

    @Baud

    And who is Dolt 45 gonna believe about this?

    A) His government’s intelligence findings

    B) The Russian president

    (Hint: It ain’t A.)

  151. 151.

    lamh36

    @Marcopolo: It’s def nothing burger.  And will backfire because it’s just another example of the Chump admin NOT taking election security seriously because they are in the pockets of Putin’s Russia

  152. 152.

    Zzyzx

    2016 Trump would mock 2020 Trump’s lame attempt at an October surprise. It’s like he’s not even trying with that FBI announcement.

  153. 153.

    lamh36

    @lamh36: Besides which…Dem voters don’t need threatening emails from foreign actors to not like Chump we BEEN not liking him

  154. 154.

    patrick Il

    The Lincoln project has been forthright in explaining their goal of goading Trump into harmful angry reactions. But, in spite of their admirable campaign, President  Obama sitting in front of a microphone for an hour will exceed their best effort.

    Probably in part  because he played sports, he can cut you up

  155. 155.

    geg6

    @debbie:

    I read somewhere that a lot of his former staffers have been begging him to do it.  We’ll see.  I’ll never trust him.

  160. 160.

    Jeffro

    @lamh36: 

    I don’t get it.

    Iran and Russia are…supposedly trying to frame the proud boys…who trumpov has supposedly disavowed…so that the fake proud boys’ emails cause a stir and make (someone?) mad at trumpov?

    We’re ALREADY mad at trumpov!!

  167. 167.

    lamh36

    @glennkirschner2

    The fake/foreign emails told people to vote for Trump (I’ve seen them). DNI Ratcliffe (the guy who lied about prosecuting terrorism cases) said the fake emails ARE TRYING TO HURT TRUMP! This is disinformation from Ratcliffe designed to energize Trump’s base!

    7:11 PM · Oct 21, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

  170. 170.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @lamh36:

    Why would Iran want people to vote for Trump anyway? Are you worried that this could “energize” Trump’s base?

  172. 172.

    dmsilev

    This is fine and not in any way disturbing.

    Trump weighs firing FBI director after election as frustration with Wray, Barr grows

    President Trump and his advisers have repeatedly discussed whether to fire FBI Director Christopher A. Wray after Election Day — a scenario that also could imperil the tenure of Attorney General William P. Barr as the president grows increasingly frustrated that federal law enforcement has not delivered his campaign the kind of last-minute boost that the FBI provided in 2016, according to people familiar with the matter.
    The conversations among the president and senior aides stem in part from their disappointment that Wray in particular but Barr as well have not done what Trump had hoped — indicate that Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, his son Hunter Biden, or other Biden associates are under investigation, these people say. Like others, they spoke on the condition of anonymity to disclose internal discussions.
    In the campaign’s closing weeks, the president has intensified public calls for jailing his challenger, much as he did for Hillary Clinton, his opponent in 2016. Trump has called Biden a “criminal” without articulating what laws he believes the former vice president has broken.
    People familiar with the discussions say that Trump wants official action similar to the announcement made 11 days before the last presidential election by then-FBI Director James B. Comey, who informed Congress he had reopened an investigation into Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of state after potential new evidence had been discovered.

  173. 173.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @debbie: I don’t know. Bar was the great Hater, and she seems to have hated trump, but she was ambitious for her descendants. I think she’d want George P to avenge the Please Clap Generation. I think Poppy would be more likely to push W and Jebbie to do the right thing, in the most indirect and dithering way possible.

    I’ll tune back in to the Bush family saga when Barbara the Younger knocks the whole dynastic model off kilter by running for office as a Democrat. Maybe George P pushed her out of the boat one day up at Walker’s point when they were seven and she wants revenge

  176. 176.

    H.E.Wolf

    @Yutsano: Wow the Lincoln Project is trying to bring Florida for Unca Joe.

    Might could be. I think they were left in the dust by the 3 million-plus GOTV postcards written to FL by http://PostcardsToVoters.org volunteers over the past 2 years.

    If the pandemic hadn’t happened, we would have hoped to add you to our ranks the next time CaseyL and I hosted a writing party.

    BJ’s PTV (and other postcard groups’) writers are legion! We get the job done.
    [hat tip to Mnemosyne]

  179. 179.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @H.E.Wolf: has anyone heard from Mnemosyne? She just got sick of us? or opted for a lower-blood pressure obsession than politics?

  182. 182.

    JMG

    GW Bush has checked out of public life. He’s not endorsing anyone for anything. That is his right as an ex-President. He never really wanted to be a President anyway. This is not just me from a distance, I have Austin sources who have long acquaintance with the family.

  184. 184.

    WaterGirl

    @L85NJGT:

    Could be she hates his guts and this is as good an excuse as any to get out of being around him.

    Could be she thinks he’s gonna lose so she doesn’t have to show up for work anymore.

    Could be that she didn’t get COVID at all, and she is afraid that she might catch it.

    I really don’t care.  Do U?  :-)

  185. 185.

    jl

    @JMG: GW fears to tread, but Kasich, Steele and Arnold speak their minds?

    Too bad GW didn’t find his talent for art earlier in life. I think it’s his civic duty to speak up.

  186. 186.

    jl

    @WaterGirl: The stated reason that I saw in the news is lingering covid symptoms.

    So, who knows?

    Edit: it’s in the linked story, says she has a cough. If it’s disrespectful to wear a mask in public with Trump Himself, that would be a problem.

  187. 187.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @jl:

    Too bad GW didn’t find his talent for art earlier in life. I think it’s his civic duty to speak up.

    I’ve read his big dream was to be the Commissioner of Baseball. Too bad he didn’t do that instead of going into politics!

  189. 189.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @jl:

    @WaterGirl:

    The stated reason that I saw in the news is lingering covid symptoms.

    So, who knows?

    I wonder if she especially hates his guts now if that’s true. It would serve Mrs. “Fuck Christmas!” right. She’s a horrible person just like Trump. They all are. Even Tiffany. Even his ex-wives.

  190. 190.

    jl

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): GW would have been a master at the penny ante corruption involved with that job, would have hurt fewer people. Astros probably have more titles.

    Edit: GW could have also found competent flunkies that wouldn’t cause to much damage, unless he would have given Cheney the human resources department. Then, who knows what could have happened.

  193. 193.

    jl

    Heard on news that Graham wants small donor political contributions investigated. He has personal experience that indicates that they are corrupt and no damn good.

    Edit: I did comment recently that Collins did set a dangerous precedent with her vile stunt. In the spirit of Graham, why not investigate Collins, after all, she did indicate by her lawsuit that she was susceptible to bribery, it’s just she voted for Kavanaugh and turned the anti-Collins fund down It’s irresponsible not to speculate that she took another offer.

  194. 194.

    L85NJGT

    Jaime Harrison on Lindsey Graham postponing debate: ‘He’s on the verge of getting that one-way ticket back home’

     

    Republican Sen. Mitt Romney said Wednesday that he’s voted in the Nov. 3 election — but not for the leader of his party.

  195. 195.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    Here’s hoping he fires Wray on 11/4 and names Larry Klayman Acting AG.

    He can ride that bomb into the ground like Slim Pickens – January 21, 2021 could become the funniest day in American history….

  196. 196.

    zhena gogolia

    Are Trump and Biden debating tonight? Or was that a hallucination I had right after Rudy unzipped his pants?

  201. 201.

    TS (the original)

    @Jay:

    So he says there is an “attack designed to hurt President Trump”  (via Rachel, I didn’t see the statement)

    Whereas all the media reports – it is related to the attack against Biden voters in Florida.

    This is the worst administration in any democratic country. No responsibility and only lies.

  202. 202.

    Jay

    Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron is a Black Republican, a Mitch McConnell protégé, and a Donald Trump supporter, so it’s not a big surprise to learn that he actively worked to tank the case against the officers who killed Breonna Taylor.

    A grand juror is bravely speaking out against the sham proceedings that declared Taylor’s death a mere “whoopsie.” She’s challenging Cameron’s public statements, which she claims misrepresent the grand jury’s views and the extent of the “case” that Cameron presented them.

    Jefferson County Circuit Court Judge Annie O’Connell ruled Tuesday that the grand jury could speak publicly and that recordings from the proceedings could be released. O’Connell said that it was “in the interest of the citizens of the Commonwealth of Kentucky to be assured that its publicly elected officials are being honest in their representations.”

    https://www.wonkette.com/judge-rules-breonna-taylor-grand-jury-can-let-everyone-know-how-much-ag-daniel-cameron-sucks

  204. 204.

    Ohio Mom

    JMG @182: Re: Bush “never really wanted to be President anyway.”

    That would explain his rather lackadaisical approach to being President. But I’m thinking of all the things I’d never really wanted to do but got roped into, and they are all on the order of boring dinner parties and movies someone else chose.

    It’s a hard and grueling marathon  to run for President. How  lacking you must be to allow yourself to be pushed into that. Just empty of any inner core.

    In the Trump age, it can be challenging to remember what a disaster GW was. But he was.

  206. 206.

    Ohio Mom

    Jim, Foolish Literalist: a little while back, Ruckus reported he’s been in touch with Mnemosyne and she was well but busy. I learned s lot of miscellaneous odds and ends from her, I wish she’d come back.

    I also wonder how SteveintheATL, BellaQ, and Helen from Erie are. We seem to have lost a bunch of commentators about the time the site was reconstructed, for whatever reason.

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