Tis the season…
They did the mash! Big thanks to giant pumpkin growers Larry Nelson and Jim Paino for the gourd time! pic.twitter.com/GSY23qJoBV
— Oregoth Boo (@OregonZoo) October 23, 2020
I know this point was made repeatedly last night including by me, but after sleeping on it, I wonder if people aren't still underrating the importance of the debate having been Trump's best remaining opportunity to climb back into the race and it seemingly having been squandered.
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) October 23, 2020
One of the fun things (the most fun thing?) about my job is I get to see lots of internals that don’t get released at all, and they tell a pretty similar story. Depending on the day of the week and specific district, Biden is usually overperfomlng 2016 numbers by 8-13 points. https://t.co/gBBBP6mltn
— Jacob Rubashkin (@JacobRubashkin) October 24, 2020
never count on the youth vote but if they actually pick *this* year to actually show up the polls may be complete garbage and not in a good way for president boomer meme
— kilgore trout, biden wi-fi switchman (@KT_So_It_Goes) October 24, 2020
Democratic supporters in The Villages, a conservative retirement community in central Florida, are becoming more active as campaigning for the 2020 presidential election enters the home stretch https://t.co/EpX82mxO9Q pic.twitter.com/hzlM4HEzuH
— Reuters (@Reuters) October 24, 2020
debbie
Hope Kay comes along: Republican “pundits” around here are predicting a very heavy GOP turnout in the rural counties on Election Day. They say there is no early voting going on in these rural counties. True or B.S.?
debbie
Also, proof that Ohio will be the next Floriduh: A plot has been exposed that Governor DeWine was about to face a citizens’ arrest and trial for tyranny by a group of clowns from Piqua.
trnc
Woo-hoo!
https://thehill.com/regulation/522496-pennsylvanias-top-court-deals-blow-to-gop-by-tossing-signature-matching-rule
NotMax
And now for something completely different.
Liberace goes … country?
:)
(Link should be cued up to the start of the appropriate segment of the program.)
OzarkHillbilly
Stop playing with your food Jumbo.
MJS
@debbie: “Heavy rural turnout” isn’t really a scary thought. That’s why Republicans have to rely on voter suppression.
Kay
@debbie:
Early vote is up everywhere. It’s a question of how much.
I don’t think anyone doubts that Trump voters will come out. I’m not clear why Republicans are pretending we’re denying this will happen. Trump will get high turnout on election day.
If it were me though I’d always rather have a banked vote than a potential vote. I don’t think that’s a hard choice. Banked is better. Democrats have been pushing early vote and expanded absentee voting for years and they’ve had great success at it- also- people like it. It’s more convenient.
Immanentize
@NotMax: Hillbillarace? We need Ozark’s opinion.
Immanentize
that youth vote is off the charts! I wonder when the youth early vote this year will reach youth 2016 total vote? Someone has been working very hard.
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone ???
debbie
@Kay:
The one thing I will miss about not voting on Election Day is the precinct’s bake sale hosted by the high school choir.
NotMax
@OzarkHillbilly
Almost obligatory.
:)
rikyrah
On my way to work.
But, only two more hours weeks of working seven days.?
mali muso
Good morning to all!
Fingers crossed the mythical yoots really do turn out en masse this time.
debbie
@Immanentize:
It took someone like Trump to get them out and to the polls. I wonder if he will take responsibility, but not the blame, for this? //
mrmoshpotato
@debbie: I was hoping for actual clowns.
Either way, beat them with their own bones.
Sab
@debbie: Figures. Just googled Piqua. Apparently it has one of the highest per capita crime rates in US.
mrmoshpotato
@Immanentize: will reach? What seekret
porpoisenumbers are you looking at?OzarkHillbilly
@Kay: Wisconsin sees record number of early voters as Covid cases climb in state
Baud
@rikyrah: Good morning.
debbie
@mrmoshpotato:
I think those militia get-ups they all sport are the official clown costume of the 21st century.
JPL
If the weather is bad on election day, does trump cry?
Dorothy A. Winsor
We left our absentee ballots in a drop box early Wednesday morning and they’re not shown as received. I think I read the drop box records have been slow because they’re overwhelmed.
Kay
There’s a misunderstanding among polling people (Nate Silver, Nate Cohn) about Democrats and early voting. Democrats pushed early voting beginning with Obama because they think it gives them more time to get “sporadic” and “new” voters out. They think those voters need an expanded window of time. So for Democrats it isn’t a “choice” between election day votes and early votes. It’s a choice between an early vote and no vote at all. They don’t think they’re “cannabalizing” their election day vote, or they don’t assume that. The pollsters argument seems to be you’re likely to get the same total number with one 12 hour election day and 2 weeks of election days. I don’t know why anyone would assume that. If you jammed all these early voters into election day you would get some attrition just because the lines would be so long.
Immanentize
@mrmoshpotato: Total vote. Total vote. When will youth 2020 early vote equal 2016 total. Total total total youth vote. I didn’t see that number above?
You dolphin, you.
Sab
@Sab: Of course, more property than violent crime. Rural Ohio likes to pretend it is crime free, but you had better lock up your lawn mower or it will disappear.
BruceFromOhio
It’s tougher some days than others, but I continue to believe that good will win the day over evil.
A passerby smashed up a busker’s guitar — so Jack White bought him a new one:
And if I catch it coming back my way
I’m gonna serve it to you
And that ain’t what you want to hear
But that’s what I’ll do
OzarkHillbilly
@NotMax: Given an opportunity, some people will always scrape the bottom of the weirdness barrel. :-)
Immanentize
@BruceFromOhio: He must not be a very good street musician. But good on Jack White.
ETA At first I just heard Jack Black in my head because I could picture him hanging out with the guy.
mrmoshpotato
@debbie: Slandering clowns on a Saturday! For! Shame!
Those Rambo cosfailers are ASSclowns.
:)
Sab
@Kay: Haven’t Republicans relied on absentee votes since forever? The olds and busy business people don’t want to count on being available on election day. Stuff comes up. How could Trumps folks not know this?
Kay
@debbie:
That was nice about being a pollworker- they bring so much food.
I can’t do it anymore though. I cannot bear how Republicans behave with the voting rules. They basically invent reasons to make it a pain in the ass to vote. I was going to strangle one of them.
I want them to follow the rules. “Following the rules” does not mean inventing “belt and suspender” ID requirements because you don’t like the look of the voter. No additional rules.
I just looked at the job differently. My job, as I saw it, was to serve the voter towards the voter’s goal, which is voting. Make that happen pursuant to the rules and get them on their way.
NeenerNeener
@Immanentize: Or the smasher was an American named Karen.
Kay
@Sab:
Republicans loved absentee voting until Democrats started using it. A Democratic vote is presumed fraudulent.
mrmoshpotato
@JPL: If he loses, and it rains during the lame fuck period, does he flee the country to get away from the scary sky water?
BruceFromOhio
@Dorothy A. Winsor: It takes a couple of days. Fear not, your vote definitely counts!
mrmoshpotato
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Rest assured. I’m sure they were all collected and mailed.
Immanentize
@debbie: I worry one of these groups is gonna get through, just because of the sheer number of these jackasses.
BruceFromOhio
@JPL: He has the option to fire Neil Jacobs. Mr AccuWeather is out of a job come January anyway, so why not. Gotta blame somebody.
OzarkHillbilly
@Immanentize: He’s not bad, not bad at all.
Sab
@Kay: When I voted Ohio absentee for McGovern a century ago I had to have my ballot notarized.
Matt McIrvin
Don’t be too ecstatic. I think a lot of those kids are showing up to vote for Trump.
Kay
The House candidates internal polling has been really good for Biden. If the polls are off they’re off by a lot and they’re off even with the pollsters Republicans hire to do their polling for their House races. If a GOP House candidate’s pollster can’t find the secret Trump voters then I don’t know why the candidate is paying them.
OzarkHillbilly
Goldurned lefty liberal commie.
mrmoshpotato
@Immanentize: Ahh. My misreading.
Have a secret porpoise for your troubles.
Immanentize
@Kay: The signature match is the dumbest worse test out there. It truly is a discretionary test to throw out votes you don’t like.
Matt McIrvin
@Kay: The question is whether the attrition from the long lines and inconvenience is worse or better than the loss from mis-rejected signatures, spoiled ballots and late mail. It’s probably going to vary a lot from district to district.
Crashman06
@Matt McIrvin: Dude. Why are you doing this? We all know we live in the Hell dimension. You do not need to remind us with every comment.
mrmoshpotato
@Sab: Damn kids and their rider mower joy riding!
BruceFromOhio
@debbie:
OH already *is* FL, with a smaller cadre of covidiots and no white-sand beaches. Where do you think snowbirds fly off to when its July?
You can colocate Ohioans in Florida with the branches of local banks – where an Ohio bank has a branch in Florida, you’ll find the buckeyes nearby.
South of I-80 and west of I-71, Ohio is a deep, bloody red. I wager the confederate flags could be counted from orbit, there’s so Gaia-damned many of them.
Kay
@Sab:
When Ohio passed their voter ID law voting rights advocates worked very hard to get provisions put in where a “government document” could be used as ID. There’s a list and the law has been around long enough that a lot of this has been fought over and settled. GOP pollworkers should not still be peering at the list and making their own calls about what qualifies. It isn’t subjective. Just follow the rules. No need to get creative and start saying things like “better safe than sorry!” and demanding more ID.
When you go to get a title for your car the title clerk doesn’t start interrogating you – they ask for what they need and no more. Voting is a state recording process. It’s not a general inquiry into the trustworthiness of the voter.
TS (the original)
@Sab:
Isn’t this changing because trump said postal votes were fraudulent – or some such thing – and started encouraging all his supporters to vote on election day? This is how he wants to claim victory – by being ahead on election day.
evodevo
@debbie: Ironic since Piqua’s name comes from the Shawnee and Miami villages that existed there in the 1700’s
Sab
@Kay: I love early voting in Ohio. It combines some of the best features of absentee and election day voting. If they don’t like your signature, you have your i.d. right there. You already had to show it. At the end of the process (so far, in my county, not long) you get to feed your paper ballot into the machine at the Board of Elections so you know it is being counted. So safe and secure. Paper ballot already entered into the machine. Works for me.
One of the many things that Ohio does right is the balanced Boards of Election. Dems and Repubs equal
ETA: when I early voted, the old (my age) maskless black guy with the MAGA hat in front of me got challenged on his signature. So he showed his i.d., answered the birthdate questions and got his ballot. Took two minutes max.
Eunicecycle
@Kay: I always kind of chuckle when people worry about in person fraudulent voting-impersonating someone else. It’s hard enough to get people to vote ONCE, let along getting enough people to try this to make a difference in an election.
Kay
@Sab:
Agreed. I early vote in person. I also remember the fights over balloting and I think they ended up with the best system, electronic tally, paper backup. A lot of that was Jennifer Brunner, who in addition to being a good judge is also a good administrator.
I’ve seen the paper backup in action. We had a school levy decided by one vote. You want the paper.
Eunicecycle
@Sab: my daughter was challenged on her signature too because she’s a nurse practitioner who signs a lot of things, so her signature had turned into a squiggly line. They let her do it again though so she got it right the second time!
evodevo
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Naw…it took our relatively efficient country clerk’s office TWO WEEKS to acknowledge the receipt of my ballot that I dropped off in the box at the courthouse…they were just overwhelmed.
I think the GOPers have really shot themselves in the foot letting the Orange Fool go on and on about how mail/absentee ballots were unsafe…no amount of backtracking on their part is gonna dig that meme out of the heads of the MAGAt olds…and with the covid count going up and up, bet they won’t want to vote in person either…
Sab
@Kay: Yes. Ohio jackels! If you haven’t voted remember Jennifer Brunner who is running for Supreme Court. She got us paper ballot backup when she was Sec of State.
RSA
@MJS:
Good point. “Heavy turnout expected in lightly populated counties” is not something to count on.
Mousebumples
@Sab: I did Postcards for that Ohio Supreme Court race. ? Glad to hear good things about the candidates i was recommending!
Kay
@Eunicecycle:
That’s what enraged me the most about the 20 year campaign by conservatives to invent voter fraud.
The premise was ludicrous. The allegation is people are going into polling places and impersonating other voters. Just from a numbers standpoint it’s ludicrous. It’s not a + 1. It’s replacing one voter with another.
I think no one thought it thru. They didn’t think thru what this crime would look like. I mean, just as a practical matter these millions of voters would run the risk of having the real voter either in the room waiting to vote or had already voted. There would have been hundreds of thousands of incidents. Poll workers would be reporting this- “guy came in, said he was so and so, but so and so already voted”.
The Best and Brightest in conservative legal circles promoted this utter nonsensical bullshit on the pages of the WSJ. Their federal prosecutors promoted it. All of media promoted it until about 2012. It’s nuts on its face.
Sab
@Eunicecycle: I have a long married last name. I was worried when I first got married. My husband advised me that his whole family just signs with B…and a couple of bumps.
Then John Oliver did a thing on voting and signatures, and one of the signatures he showed was exactly the same as my husband’s. It was astounding. And not his. Not even the same name or same state.
Citizen_X
@TS (the original): Ancient-times GOP direct-mail dude Richard Vigurie (sp?) has been wailing about how “Mail-in voting was our secret weapon!” which Trump has been destroying by telling all the Foxbots that it’s hopelessly compromised. Womp, womp, so sad.
BruceFromOhio
Run everywhere.
Trump’s circus could fold in Pa. as Biden swings for votes Clinton left on the table
The shitwhistle took PA by less than 45,000 votes. I remember laying in bed trying to sleep with “preznit shitwhistle” rolling around in my head after watching the PA vote count in the wee hours of 11/9/16 that put the final nail in that election coffin.
Josie
@Matt McIrvin:
I have to hand it to you. No matter what positive news we manage to glean from the chaos, you find a way to make it a downer. I wish you would stop.
mrmoshpotato
@Kay:
Sounds like voter fraud has been underage drinking all these years.
Voter fraud totally deserves it.
Kay
@Eunicecycle:
The “white vans” of black people arriving at polling places. Ok. It’s a lie but let’s accept it for now. Then what happens? They walk in and…what? Are they in the poll book? So they’re registered somewhere they don’t live? Or are all of them impersonating separate individuals who live there and are registered? Where did the real voters go? We’re just assuming not one of them showed up?
I think the “white van” myth has a basis in fact- it’s so incredibly consistent on the Right it probably has some grain of truth. I think it’s “souls to the polls”- those types of voting initiatives. Those 9 passenger vans churches use. They see black people getting out of a van to vote and they all immediately go to “voter fraud!”.
SiubhanDuinne
Pumpkin-smashing heffalumps! What a fun start to the weekend.
Reboot
@Matt McIrvin: Because…?
Crashman06
@Josie: Hear, hear!
BruceFromOhio
@Mousebumples: I got one of those! I was THRILLED to see this in my mailbox, that someone took the time (and two different colors of ink) to write a simple, friendly message, and sign it “Colleen (a volunteer) =)”
And of course I voted for Brunner and O’Donnell.
Thank you so much, Colleen and all of the volunteers! #rockthevote
Sab
@mrmoshpotato: Lol and well put.
Mousebumples
@Kay: not to mention the fact that most of the documented voter fraud has been by Republicans. (eg that NC house race not too long ago, the reports that some people with 2 houses are voting in both places, Trump using Maralago as his address when that’s not allowed until Florida laws, etc.)
Makes me wonder if they figured “everyone is doing it, so I might as well too” which is beyond dumb. ?
Zzyzx
@Josie: I assumed that was a joke.
I admit that I got scared over whatever the energy comment was because it just felt like the kind of thing that Republicans world hammer into the ground while the press reported it like Biden said he eats babies.
But Coronavirus is having a new surge and that’s going to take headlines
Ken
@Kay: My parents worked the polls for over twenty years. Accusations of voter fraud by impersonation enrage me because it also accuses them, and millions like them, of being complicit in the fraud. That’s aside from the fact that it’s nonsensical in their state, because the polls are staffed by D/R pairs, both of whom have to approve the voter’s signature or identification.
Sab
@Mousebumples: THANK YOU! I hate phone calls. They are intrusive. But a handwritten postcard I always read. They are courteous. Like thank you notes. On occasion they have changed my vote on an issue or candidate I hadn’t thought much about before.
Mousebumples
@BruceFromOhio: awesome! Glad to hear they’re arriving! If you have social media, I’m sure the #PostcardsToVoters team would love to see a photograph of it (address blacked out, ofc) . #PTVinthewild in the hashtag I usually see on Twitter.
I doubt that your vote was really in question but still so awesome to hear about! ?
Kay
@Mousebumples:
My youngest son got one of the postcards. He was really interested in the idea of someone sending him one. He thought it was because it’s his first election. He voted absentee for Biden – and Brunner for Ohio supremes because he asked me about all the judicial races, as he should :)
It was touch and go on Biden though- he’s a bitter Berner. Got it though. He’s on Twitter and there’s a lot of GOTV on (very) young people twitter so I asked him yesterday if he was glad he can say he voted and he is.
Zzyzx
@Zzyzx: Also the only way that sort of “gaffe” works is if it builds immediately. Ads get made so Biden gets constantly asked about it and then the replies become the new news and then ads get made about that…
Instead if we’re constantly talking about Corona for 3 days, by the time anyone gets back to it, it’ll be completely forgotten in the insane news world that is 2020.
BruceFromOhio
We will never know how many conservative votes are lost because MAGA rallies stuffed with maskless covidiots took place two-three-four weeks ahead of election day. How many will be unable to make it to the polls because of illness, or outright death? I sense a poli-sci doctoral thesis or two out there somewhere, mapping voter registration to historical voting patterns to case counts in the run-up to 11/3.
’til the landslide brought you down
Mousebumples
@Sab: yeah, I don’t love the calls or texts but voting early helped me shut those down. (i voted by mail in September.) Just (nicely) tell the caller or texter that I’ve already voted, so they can stop contacting me. Definite upside to early voting I hadn’t previously considered.
I love writing the postcards – so easy to do from me couch after my 1 year old is asleep. I did 16 last night (14 official +2 to brothers of a college friend that lives in that district) for Abby Finkenauer in Iowa (IA-01). And fun fact I discovered after i was finished and getting ready to post them on Twitter – she went to Drake University, like I did! ?
artem1soo
@debbie:
Don’t expect an investigation. The call is coming from inside the house. The Ohio GOP is full of Teahaddist crazy uncles from not just the rural parts of the state but the wealthiest suburban areas too.
the threats to Dr. Acton were coming from the State House floor. And so is this one. The Ohio GOP has been running their party with a Brown Shirt mentality for a couple of decades now. Threats are pretty routine and they have open ties to militia groups. It’s no secret that their constituents are completely out of control and their leadership is more and more people like Becker and less like DeWine and Voinovich. The Democrats keep fooling themselves that they can work with the less crazy ones like Kasich (Dems helped put Householder in power to keep the less crazy guy out). But that would be a terrible mistake. The statehouse is the problem here and it’s going to take a couple of generations to clean out that rats nest. This state needs an independent investigation by the Feds on corruption, domestic terrorism and a full blown RICO investigation into where the militia is getting it’s money. There is a reason Ohio took so long to legalize gambling and why we are no where with legalizing marijuana. The militias are making money hand over fist and all the local sheriffs and the state AG are knee deep in the grift.
charluckles
I haven’t seen any polls that suggest that youths are coming out for Trump? My personal annecdata suggests that the young folks care a lot about climate change and really have no time for bigotry and racism.
John S.
If the youth vote ends up watching the new Borat movie (and a random sampling of my nieces and nephews indicates they will), they will be highly motivated to vote. It’s literally the closing message of the movie.
And that scene with Giuliani is just wow. As is much of the rest of the movie. Staged or not, America is bonkers.
ETA: And only the already converted would vote for Trump and the Vice Pussy Grabber after watching that spectacle.
BruceFromOhio
TeenFromOhio* in line Columbus OH for early voting. Line stretches around the building and down the block.
/* Hasn’t been a teen for years, but the name has stuck. Oh, and all of her friends have stated they are voting in this election, too.
Sab
@Kay: We used to vote within walking distance. Then it was three miles away in a neighborhood I am not familar with. But I have a car. My dad’s younger nurse’s aide used to walk to his poll. After all the changes in polling places he had to take the bus and transfer a couple of times. Ate up his whole morning just at bus stops.
BruceFromOhio
@John S.:
Cohen has made a pretty good living illustrating that very point.
Kay
@BruceFromOhio:
I think there will be drop off from more moderate Republicans. We have a big shot farmer here. He’s a moderate. We’re on a school committee together and he defended Michelle Obama’s school nutrition push with such disgust at his fellow Republicans that I felt like cheering. “So now we’re against healthy food? They are overweight. They are eating crap. We’re denying that?”
I went by one of his farms- the ground he lives on- he has hundreds of acres all over the county- and he has every GOP yard sign except for one glaring exception. This is a person who hosted a Kasich fundraiser. If he was backing Trump there’d be a sign.
Baud
@Kay:
There are a lot of young Bernie people on Reddit. It’s interesting because the attitude there this year is what we hoped it would be in 2016.
Kristine
@Kay: Thanks for this, Kay. I was an election judge for a few cycles, and learned how hard it would be to impersonate another voter. So many things to get right, in addition to the impersonator needing to know whether the voter they’re trying to replace has voted already or not.
And if they get that wrong, what do they do? “Oh, silly me, I’m not that person, I’m really this person?” So they have to memorize the address etc of multiple voters? Since it’s Illinois, they have to get the signature right, too? Plus they have to assume that the check-in judge is going to let that fly? I’d be calling over the Voter Services Judge or Site Manager if they tried that.
Even though Illinois is a signature ID state, most voters just showed me their drivers license at check-in because they have to confirm their address. Will voter impersonators have multiple fake IDs too?
Ken
I realize it’s possibly poll noise, but over at electoral-vote.com they’ve moved Texas to “barely Dem” this morning. It was “barely Rep” two days ago.
They also have a surprisingly large number of reader questions about “what happens if Trump flees the country after the election”.
Eunicecycle
@Kay: Exactly! I agree it’s probably Souls to the Polls, with people being taken to their own precinct. I sometimes think all the people screaming about this stuff have never actually voted because they would see the situations they are worried about are very unlikely.
Baud
@Kay:
He’s just shy, Kay.
John S.
@BruceFromOhio: He surely has. But it’s pretty easy for him when he can walk into a bakery and have “Jews will not replace us” put in icing on a cake without any question, and asked “Is there anything else I can get for you?” with a cheery smile.
Sab
@Mousebumples: The ugly side of my personality wants us to prosecute all those Republican aides and operatives living in disenfranchised DC and voting from their parents’ house in Florida or Texas or wherever. That is actually a felony. If you are getting a paycheck from your job in DC you live near there. DC or Maryland or Virginia. There is no way you are commuting from Ohio or Florida or Texas.
BruceFromOhio
@Mousebumples: Done.
If you are on IG, i am @guyontwowheelz
JPL
@Kay: That’s a common occurrence in GA, and the repubs at the state house tried to curtail it. Now because of the pandemic, it has changed.
Humanities Prof
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
Our county’s BOE has posted that they are getting hundreds per day, so they are slow in updating the website.
Sab
@Eunicecycle: They have voted. They just don’t think black or poor people should get the benefit of the same rules they have.
raven
Vote mugs made by my friend !
Mousebumples
@BruceFromOhio: I am technically on IF but barely. I’ll check out out. Do you have Twitter? If not, mind if i post screenshots from IG to share there? (my Twitter nym is the same as my bj nym) ?
Eunicecycle
@John S.: In his earlier movie he had a bar full of people out west ( I can’t remember the state) singing “Throw the Jews down a well! So my people can be free!” All these people smiling, clapping and singing along. It was horrific.
Baud
@Kay:
Our side is very good at talking about how these people are wrong. We’re less good when it comes to explaining how these people are immoral. We need to do both, whether we’re talking about false claims of voter fraud or QAnon conspiracies about Democrats.
Kattails
@Kay: You mean to tell me that Republican poll workers would just arbitrarily change rules, with a voter standing right in front of them, to make it harder for that person to vote? Add a couple more hurdles?
I worked as a waitress and at a liquor store for years. If you looked under 30 I needed valid ID: passport, military ID or state issued picture, and it had to be current. Not discretionary on my part. If you smelled of alcohol or seemed impaired, it was my responsbility to challenge that–but that’s because you could get into a car and kill someone. Other than that, WTF??
WaterGirl
@Immanentize: Pod Save American has an interview with Joe Biden up today. Biden was the only Democratic candidate who wasn’t interviewed by them during the primary, so this is his first interview with the.
I think a lot of young pups listen to Pod Save America, and they pointedly asked about Joe’s Climate Change plans and – more importantly – why people who care about climate change should believe that Joe will actually do anything about it.
Joe knows his stuff! I hope that helps with turnout.
WereBear
@NotMax: I don’t dare click. What kind of fiend ARE you?
MomSense
@debbie:
Way to go Ohio (in the song sense).
My mom recently unfriended one of her last childhood friends over their trump supporting Maine governor bashing nonsense. She said her friend didn’t even know why she hated our governor and it was more parroting something she must have heard on Fox.
I’m having a great weekend so far. Last night I had drinks and dinner with a dear friend, her mom, and one of her friends. Came home to puppy snuggles. This morning I walked the dog, made avocado toast, poured a cup of coffee and filled out my ballot!
I got to vote for Biden/Harris and Gideon 5 times!!* Ha!
*Ranked choice not cheating.
Then I splurged and ordered some skincare and makeup which seems so senseless because half my face is covered everyday. Makeup companies must be hurting because they gave me so many gifts it was like they were paying me to use their products.
hueyplong
I spit a drink when I read “heavy rural turnout.”
GOP “pundits” are left with asserting with certainty something that is hypothetically possible but for which the lack of any evidence may be waived away due to the fact that their “wave” hasn’t yet commenced.
Hard core Nazis awaiting Hitler’s miracle weapons. I look forward to the scenes in which they discard their party uniforms and try to blend into the crowd.
And fuck you, Godwin, for rendering uncivil calling Nazis Nazis when real ones came along in 2016.
Baud
@MomSense:
I thought ranked choice means ranking your choices, not that each voters were given multiple votes to cast.
frosty
@Sab: That includes the press secretary, right? Voting from her parents’ house.
Kay
@Baud:
Oh, I’m glad. I love young voters and as I have yelled about repeatedly I think young people got a really raw deal, but the truth is they have to turn out better than 15% or no politician is going to listen to them.
Sab
@Kay: We have a elderly beagle owner on the outside corner of our housing development who always has lots of yard signs because the location is so great. Usually Republican, but he did like Cordray.
This time, nothing. Not a sign. He is still alive and out and about, but no signs.
BruceFromOhio
@Kay: A good friend is a moderate Republican. I don’t harass him about anything because we agree on FAR more than we disagree. I want him engaged in politics because he has a different perspective and is a pretty sharp guy. He’s in the same boat, won’t fill in the dot for Biden, but he sure as shit ain’t voting for the shitwhistle.
Good on your farmer associate(?). Good ideas are good ideas, no matter the source. Kasich will forever stand out to me for giving the shitwhistle nothing but trouble from go. No love there, but I can respect him for that.
Sab
@frosty: Exactly.
JPL
Okay this is so bad but if it gets someone to go to the polls, fine with me.
First time voters.
MomSense
@Baud:
You get to vote your 1st 2nd 3rd and so on. Since I didn’t want to vote for a green or independent I just voted all five choices for my first choice.
Baud
@WaterGirl:
I hope it helps. I honestly don’t see how people think they have a choice right now when it comes to dealing with climate change.
John S.
@Eunicecycle: Yes, that was horrific. But things have not gotten better since then. If anything, they are worse thanks to the Nazi-enabler occupying the Oval Office.
Kay
@hueyplong:
I think it’s true though. If you live in a Trumpy area you see the cultish devotion. Expect big rural turnout. It’s coming. Their problem is it’s rural, which means there are fewer of them. A crazed Trump cultist vote counts the same as some wishy washy sporadic.
raven
Fuck, Jerry Jeff Walker died!
Income tax is overdue, I think she is too
Got busted and I’ll prolly get busted again
Baud
@MomSense:
Oh wow. That’s different than what I thought.
Keith P.
The new Lincoln Project ad featuring Jared and Ivanka is pretty good. So good, in fact, that Javanka is suing them, claiming it’s false/defamatory.
BruceFromOhio
@Ken:
“Keep the jet, and good riddance, you fucking monster. Make sure you run somewhere without an extradition treaty unless you want to come back here in chains.”
Sab
@raven: I want that one with a dog on it.
Eunicecycle
@John S.: You’re right, that was before the shitgibbon. I just remember how happy the people looked. I mean they were probably very drunk but they had this glazed look that was frightening.
raven
@Sab: We like to think it’s modeled on Bohdi but their dog Mia favors it too!
CarolDuhart2
Southwestern Ohio text and phone bankers! And the JoeMobile!
https://mobilize.us/s/la69W4
Kay
@Ken:
I’m a contrarian on Trump leaving. He’s a coward. He’ll be humiliated by a big win, scream about fraud and then go down to Mar a Lago until January and sit on his ass and complain on Twitter.
Immanentize
@raven: oh fuck. He’s from my neck of the woods in upstate NY. I’ve seen him at least a dozen times.
BruceFromOhio
@Baud:
Pollsters: WE FOUND ONE! /sirens/
Ken
@MomSense: Isn’t that the same as leaving the 2nd-5th choices blank? Admittedly only in the very unlikely event that Biden is the candidate with the smallest number of votes after the first count, so gets eliminated and his 1st choice ballots are redistributed.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@BruceFromOhio: If what the what the County Chair in the quote turns out to be true it’s going to drive President Nose Powder over the wall when he realized 2016 was a vote against Hillary, not a vote for him.
Matt McIrvin
@MomSense: I don’t know the specific counting method being used in Maine–is something like that considered a valid ballot?
Kay
It’s nerve wracking but also fascinating to watch. Trump’s biggest problem might turn out to be North Carolina. He has so many problem areas it’s tough to pick just one but that one must give them fits. He just has so little room for error, where Biden has many possibilities.
Kirk Spencer
So I had a thought I managed to catch, and this thread seems a good place to share it.
I’m wondering how powerful it would be to send postcards to people on dem rolls that turned out to vote thanking them for their vote.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
That’s because you aren’t a drug addict like Trump. Remember Trump lives on credit.
Amir Khalid
@BruceFromOhio:
Maybe you could call her YoungAdultDaughterfromOhio.
BruceFromOhio
@raven: That’s a pretty good cause. Well done!
Sab
@artem1soo: We purged Republican corruption 15 years ago and got rid of all the sensible Republicans with the occasional improper golf game. Now all we have left are the truly crazy ones with no shame and no ethics whatever.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Trump won’t
a) all his crimes are white collar crimes and they will take forever to prosecute so by the time the appeals are up, he will dead.
b) Rallies are his main source of income.
raven
@Immanentize: The Texas Troubadour from Oneta NY!
How his dog and him
They travelled about
His dog up and died
He up and died
After twenty years he still grieves
Suzanne
I loved voting in AZ. They have a Permanent Early Voting List, aka “the PEVL”, and much of the canvassing that I did focused on getting people on that list. Once you’re on, you’re on, and they will send ballots for every election directly to you. I had resisted signing up for it, since I enjoyed going in person and taking my kids to witness the process. But in 2016 during the primary, the longtime (Republican) County Recorder (Helen Purcell) decided that so many people voted by mail by then that she ordered approximately 75% of the polling places in Maricopa County to be closed for that election. So the presidential primary was either in late April or early May by then, which means it was already hot AF. I had to go to a police station that was about three miles away from my house rather than my usual place around the corner, and when I got there, the line was approximately a third of a mile long. Blazing-ass hot, standing outdoors, no water or shade. I got there around 6pm, I got home at 9:40. SuzMom gave up. (I reached out to all my LD18 people while in line to let them know this was a crisis.) Anyway, the County Recorder got her ass voted out in the next election by a Democrat, Adrian Fontes. Because guess which neighborhoods in the County lost the most polling places? Poor and Latino neighborhoods, you may guess? BINGO. I still get angry remembering it. It was a blatant act of voter suppression and I fucking watched it happen from the sidewalk.
Anyway, I did every election thereafter from the comfort of my dining room table. It was also good, as now SuzMom is here with us, and she finds out-of-the-house tasks like that to be increasingly challenging. This will be our first election in PA, and the laws here are different. We have to go in person the first time, and their early vote list isn’t permanent—you have to re-enroll every year. That sucks. So I have arranged to work from home that day and start late, and I will be taking SuzMom at 7AM. We got our voter registration cards and are ready to go on November 3. The polling place is the church two blocks away, so we will be able to walk.
After this pandemic, I plan to become active in my new LD. I am in a very blue area now, which is absolutely not an accident. I know we’re supposed to move to red areas to turn them blue…. but I did my time. I have lived in a Republican-majority state long enough. Ironically, it got much purpler as time went by, and I am certainly sad not to cast a vote for Mark Kelly.
Mr. Suzanne and I are talking about becoming snowbirds when the kids are a bit older. The older I get, the more the idea has appeal.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: The choice is simple: Save the planet for future generations, or line the pockets of today’s oiligarchs.
Immanentize
@MomSense: I am so hoping that our ballot initiative on ranked voting passes here. I think it will, in part because a lot of Mass people see it is working in Maine
I got a flyer in favor of the initiative which has a young attractive woman holding her nose. The message was, never vote for the lesser of two evils again…. At first, it pissed me off because of the Bernie Bro shit, but then I realized this is brilliant. No excuse not to vote! Vote for your first choice whoever it is! But put the best person (Dem) over on the second ballot if need be. No more plurality LaPage creeps.
JPL
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: As president, he can sell what he knows about our missile systems to Putin. Anyway to make a buck.
BruceFromOhio
@Mousebumples: Sorry, no twitter. If you want grab it, go for it. Postcards are a heckuva lot better than phone calls, imho, and the more positive feedback to the volunteers, the better.
Sab
@raven: My childhood dog Maitland (aka Muttley) looked very much like your Little Bit, but he was much more dignified (i.e. less enthusiastic.)
MomSense
Speaking of voting, our Secretary or State Matt Dunlap is term limited out at the end of this year. He is the champion who dismantled Trump’s corrupt voter fraud commission. Dunlap is a great guy, phenomenal speaker, and should be called up by the Biden Administration to work for the DOJ. He was on the Maine Calling program this week in Maine Public Radio answering questions about voting. If you want to get a sense of who he is take a listen.
OzarkHillbilly
@raven: 2020 sucks donkey dick.
MomSense
@Immanentize:
That’s exactly the point. The winning candidate has to get a plurality if votes so it really does make the vote more representative.
Kay
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
It just makes sense to me for Democrats. You’re pressuring people to vote. Would you rather push them over 2, 3, 4 weeks or push them over one day? I mean, some of a “reminder” campaign is cumulative. You’re pushing them. It adds up over weeks.
If you want people to get a flu shot will more of them get one if they can go any time over months and you nag them about it over and over in that period or if there was just one “flu shot day”?
Immanentize
@raven: He had such a smooth voice compared to other singers in his world (like Willie, Chris C, even Roy Clark) and man could he play guitar.
frosty
@Kay: But his lawyers will sit down with him and give him the advice that if he wants to stay out of prison he has to run. And he’ll listen and act on their expert advice … wait, what? When has that ever happened?
Amir Khalid
@BruceFromOhio:
People often get this wrong: his surname is Baron Cohen.
Crashman06
@Immanentize: I got that mailer too. I agree it was pretty effective. I think it will pass.
mali muso
Another postcard volunteer here who is happy to hear that our Ohio Supreme Court postcards made it! :)
evodevo
@JPL: Luckily for the US, he wasn’t reading any of those daily briefings, and knows NOTHING lol
Ken
That sounds familiar somehow…
Immanentize
@Crashman06: fingers crossed!
ETA there was an interesting article in the NY Times dead tree this morning about a cleaning lady at a city hall building in a Russian town beating the long incumbent mayor. The previous mayor had to get someone else to run to make it look like democracy. He lost.
Ranked voting will increase voter’s sense of power and the shrinking GOP can’t ratfuck by running “independents” to split the Dem vote. Win win win
OzarkHillbilly
@JPL: Would you trust anything he says he knows about our missile systems?
Sab
@Suzanne: Grew up in central Florida. My dad was a doctor. Live in NE Ohio now. Winter sucks, but when you snowbird, look seriously at medical capacity where you move to. You of all people should be able to choose wisely.
My dad moved us to Florida because he loved it, but he was horrified by his practice conditions the whole time he lived there
ETA so eventually he moved us back to Ohio.
Eunicecycle
@JPL: since he can’t remember the difference between one of our missile systems and a toothbrush his information may be of limited value.
Ken
@evodevo: @Eunicecycle: Unluckily for him, it may take months to convince the interrogators that he really is that ignorant.
Frank Wilhoit
@Sab: There is nothing ugly about accountability. We got where we are by letting people get away with sh1t. If you believe that accountability can be restored (which I don’t, but I’m an outlier), it starts everywhere.
Matt McIrvin
@Ken: Because I was wondering about MomSense’s ballot, I looked up the Maine voting instructions:
https://www.maine.gov/sos/cec/elec/upcoming/pdf/HORZ.boothposterFINALDRAFT.061218.pdf
Yes, marking them all for the same candidate is the same as leaving all the choices after the 1st blank. Which is fine if you in fact don’t have any preferences after your first choice. I think I’d probably rank the Greens and such above the Republicans–but I think this would only be an issue in extremely unlikely situations.
BruceFromOhio
@Amir Khalid: Ah! Very good, thank you for pointing this out. I often hear him referred to as “Borat,” and I think, well, yes, but that is a character he portrays, that’s not him.
Noted for all future references.
raven
@Sab: aw
Nicole
Today is the first day of early voting in New York. Already the line for the early voting site in my area is down the block and almost an avenue over.
I’m going to go next week, when I hop the lines will be a little less busy during business hours.
frosty
The first winter after my youngest graduated from high school, we looked at each other and said “Why are we here?” and flew off to San Miguel de Allende for two weeks. Since then, it’s been hitch up the trailer and head south — two weeks, then a month, then two months. This year will be our 6th Annual Snowbird Road Trip (COVID-willing). I feel like I’m a cliche, but I like it.
Immanentize
@OzarkHillbilly: I am actually surprisingly sad about old Jerry Jeff. But the recordings and concert memories are all happy. And good memories can be so sustaining these days.
Eunicecycle
@Sab: my parents moved back to Ohio from Florida because the medical care was so lousy.
Nelle
@Baud: Maybrotger-in-law lost everything and barely got out with his life in the Paradise fire. This morning, the East Troublesome for has exited Rocky Mountain National Park on the east side and is approaching my sister’s house southwest of Estes Park. Firefighters are setting up on the road just below her house. The big YMCA complex is right there. Climate change is making its presence well known.
Aleta
@raven: @Immanentize:
live in Oneonta 1991:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpELGrF1Fy4
(not as great, but, Dylan: https://vimeo.com/341108269)
Shalimar
@Matt McIrvin: Define “a lot”? Trump loses 18-29 year olds badly in every poll I have ever seen. It’s hard to believe his 25% are showing up and everyone else is staying home.
BruceFromOhio
@mali muso: Thank you for your effort. Even though my vote is already counted, I kept them!
MomSense
@Matt McIrvin:
It also just feels really good to keep filling in those ovals. Kind of like an extra fuck you to trump and Collins.
MagdaInBlack
@raven:
That isnt news I needed.
I guess I’l be Looking for the Heart of Saturday Night today.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@frosty: You did better than we did. When our son graduated from high school, we moved to Iowa.
Immanentize
@OzarkHillbilly: “We have missiles you can’t believe. The best missiles, perhaps, ever in the history of missiles. Secret missiles you don’t even know about. Tremendous missiles strongly. Let Rudy here show you his missile.”
frosty
That’s what we did, moving from Baltimore to York County. It sucks, there are nothing but Trump signs and flags on my street. Enjoy the blue respite!
TS (the original)
@Ken:
I think they did that yesterday based on a morning consult poll that had Biden up by 1 point and Quinnipiac having them even.
538 has trump ahead by less than 1 point but there is not a lot of polling in that figure.
I find it useful to compare the electoralVote.com maps from previous elections. Biden is doing better – but he has a few large states as barely Dem.
Immanentize
@Matt McIrvin: Yes, but the way Momsense did it was FUN!
IT WENT TO FIVE!
raven
If I can just get off of this LA Freeway
without gettin killed or caught!
Immanentize
@Amir Khalid: Is his first name actually, “Alexander?”
Bruuuuce
@hueyplong: Mike Godwin explicitly stated that when REAL Nazis, such as those in Charlottesville, pop up, calling them Nazis is appropriate. Coverage was in most of the reputable media (including the WaPo, whose links I don’t post because I don’t subscribe). Here’s one such article.
OzarkHillbilly
@Ken: It’s a multitudinous told tale.
Mudbrush
Caravans of pickup trucks flying MAGA flags are cruising the roads of suburban Cincinnati this fine Saturday morn. Wish I had a horn that blared “F**K TRUMP!” right now…
MagdaInBlack
@raven: ‘Very Short Time” seems appropriate too
Another Scott
Speaking of pumpkins.
Found out this morning that our local government says it cannot ban Trick or Treating but is strongly recommending against it. Our subdivision association is having a “parade” but also is saying that it can’t say ToT is verboten. Earlier I was thinking about putting out a big bowl with candy and a note saying “take 3 each”, but even having the little monsters congregate on the porch is realistically a bad idea. It’s too dark on the sidewalk to put out goodie bags there.
Yet another (small) thing that Donnie and his minions have ruined. ETTD.
Cheers,
Scott.
Bruuuuce
Currently waiting for Mrs. B to wake up (and almost certainly take meds for her Saturday migraine) so that we can take our filled-out ballots to the now-open early polling site just down the road, then do errands including grocery shopping and getting her celebratory pastries at the small bakery established by the big-name pastry chef right in the neighborhood. (If this supermarket has keto ice cream, I’m all in, too!)
Bruuuuce
AL@OP: Thank you for the opportunity to see a Smashing Pumpkins show. I never did get there, back in the day :-)
Matt McIrvin
@Immanentize:
I like it because long-term, it neutralizes the danger of this type of voting, and it probably leads to a reduction of accelerationist troll behavior because if third-party voting isn’t a spoiling action, you get higher-quality candidates who aren’t invested in either encouraging or denying the spoiler effect. The only reason we think of minor-party candidates as horrible cranks is that they have to operate in an environment where their candidacies mostly do harm, and they’re the kind of people who will still do it regardless.
I’ve heard that Lisa Savage is telling people to vote for her first and Sara Gideon second. I don’t think I’d support Savage but I think that’s great, that a candidate would actually say that. It’s also possible for candidates to ask for second-place votes from non-supporters, and I’ve heard this happens in places that have had ranked-choice voting for a while–this has to increase the general civility of politics over the long haul.
Gravenstone
@OzarkHillbilly: Unfortunately, they can’t actually count those ballots until election day. So I might expect a delay in how long before results are officially announced.
Immanentize
@Aleta: Thank you. I grew up about 40 minutes from Oneonta. I caught him there once and in Binghamton maybe 4 times…. That really wasn’t a good song for Dylan.
germy
OzarkHillbilly
@Immanentize: Memories are all we leave behind and they are fleeting.
Sab
@Bruuuuce: Sending my sympathetic regard to Mrs. since migraines suck. Sympathy not empathy since I don’t get them. Husband gets cluster headaches, which are also awful in a different way.
Amir Khalid
@Immanentize:
Per his Wikipedia entry, Sacha is his full first name — not short for Alexander, as one might understandably think.
Gravenstone
@Kay: I was wondering the other day just what sort of mayhem awaits in polling places where there is a photo ID requirement, combined with widespread wearing of masks. “I’m sorry, this ID doesn’t look like you.”
Baud
@Matt McIrvin:
I’m attracted to ranked choice also.
Immanentize
@Suzanne:@frosty:
When I left Texas after a dozen years to move back to the Boston area, I told people, “Well, after all, I wasn’t sentenced to life without parole.”
Another Scott
@Kay: Obviously the GOP doesn’t believe that either, or they wouldn’t do everything they can to limit early and easier voting.
Too many political/polling reporters seemingly can’t think one step ahead.
tl;dr – If the GOP is fighting it, it means it works to make things better.
Cheers,
Scott.
OzarkHillbilly
Up Against The Wall Redneck Mother,
germy
I remember when Biden gave his American flag pin to the little kid named Shamar.
Shamar got back to him:
Immanentize
@Another Scott: In my neighborhood someone has organized an online “are you giving out candy” site where you can sign up if you are. They also have very explicit instructions about what kind of packaging the candy should have. They are doing what they can for their kids.
Bruuuuce
@Sab: Thanks. And back at you for Mr S. (also similarly in that my pain is only rarely in my head)
Sab
@Gravenstone: The founding fathers expected us to wait months for results. Why are we letting news media set the counting agenda this year? Take however long it takes to count. Jeez people! Have you never planted a plant, baked bread, cooked anything, had a child. Processes take time. Adults should be able to manage patience.
MagdaInBlack
@OzarkHillbilly: I love that live version best =-)
( reminds of my small town bar days)
and damned if I dont know all the words to that and “Pissin’ in The Wind”
JPL
@Immanentize: hahaha trump needs a billion to pay off his loans, and Rudy’s missile wouldn’t net him fifty cents
Biden needs to take away trump’s security clearance on day one.
Ken
This is my surprised face:
:-O
debbie
@Kay:
Apparently, there’s a lawsuit in Michigan because the SoS has banned weapons from polling places which violates citizens’ First and Second Amendment rights. (A twofer!) God forbid some militia ? ? ? don’t get to wave their guns around in public.
Immanentize
@germy: I really gotta clean this place to get all the dust out.
eclare
@germy: Awww, so touching.
catclub
@Sab: It is STILL that way in Mississippi
Matt McIrvin
@Baud: When you get really into the weeds of preferences of hardcore voting-system geeks, they complain that this particular TYPE of ranked-choice voting (IRV) isn’t theoretically the best kind, and they want the votes to be counted according to some more complicated algorithm that ensures the Condorcet criterion, etc. etc. Arrow’s Theorem implies that a perfect system doesn’t exist and you start having to make trade-offs between different advantages and disadvantages.
But, honestly, the advantage of IRV over the traditional US first-past-the-post method is so large, and the further distinctions so relatively small, having to do with relatively weird situations, that it’s not worth worrying about too much.
Bruuuuce
@debbie: And the local sheriffs are refusing to enforce the ban because “it’s not a law.” I hope we don’t see too much violence, especially if the state police or, gods forbid, the National Guard wind up called in for enforcement.
TS (the original)
@Sab:
One of these is not like the others
dww44
@Kay: I’m a volunteer early vote outside poll watcher and an in training poll worker for Election Day itself. From what I’ve seen here south of Ohio on I-75 the rules are applied neutrally and equitably. Partly because this is a majority minority city in the mid-state. The suppression comes into play most obviously in the Atlanta metro where the number of poll locations have been reduced particularly in minority voting areas thanks to the GOP Secty of State and governor and legislature.
debbie
@artem1soo:
Becker’s also the asshole who led the effort to pass a life begins at conception bill. Total loonie.
Sab
@mrmoshpotato: Not riding mowers (although those too) the regular power mowers you trot behind. Basically anything sellable you leave out where people can nab it.
germy
You’re right. The bread never comes out the way you want it to.
Immanentize
@Matt McIrvin: It also potentially saves taxpayers huge amounts of money. In places where they have mandatory run offs if no one reaches 50%, ranked voting can work like an instant run off.
Suzanne
@Sab: If we snowbird, we’ll get a house in the Phoenix area. Phoenix has great medical care—Mayo Clinic, a branch of MD Anderson, Phoenix Children’s Hospital, at least eight Level One trauma centers, Barrow Neurological Center, Banner University…. that’s a big reason Phoenix and Tucson are major snowbirding destinations.
But you bring up a good point. I always laugh when right-wing rural people talk about how they will win the coming civil war when they control all the food and have all the guns. I chuckle because they forget that A) urban areas have all the health care, and B) plenty of urban left-wingers are armed.
Entire towns dry up and desiccate once the one remaining community hospital closes.
Aleta
J. S. Ondara – “American Dream” (SST Studio Sessions)
J. S. Ondara – Ballad Of Nana Doline
Nobody wins in war
debbie
@MomSense:
Congrats, five-timer!
Are they better behaved at your workplace than before?
Sab
@TS (the original): Granted. Bad example. But they all take time and can’t be rushed. Just do it right.
debbie
@Keith P.:
And then LP did another ad mocking their lawsuit!
Baud
@Matt McIrvin:
Fuckem.
Anoniminous
@debbie:
The rural vote doesn’t matter. The important demographics are the youngs and suburban white women who voted for Trump in 2016. The youngs because they are one new vote and suburban white women because the Rule of Thumb is it takes two new votes to counter one vote switcher.
FelonyGovt
@germy: Watching Biden deal so gently and kindly with little kids is just heartwarming.
Sab
@Suzanne: I knew you had thought this out. You are in my top ten commenters for common sense and actual information.
Baud
WaterGirl needs to turn off the plug ins again.
Immanentize
@Baud: seconded.
germy
@debbie:
But all that effort and money from the LP to make sure… Trump loses New York?
MomSense
@debbie:
Not better behaved, just digging their heads deeper in the sand.
debbie
@germy:
Symbolic. Which matters bigly to Trump.
raven
@Nelle: I have friends in Paradise who are just about rebuilt.
JPL
@germy: That was so awesome, and thank you for sharing it with us. ?
debbie
@germy:
If I could remember where I put it, I’d put on my shocked face. I was so relying on getting that card. //
Immanentize
@germy: I think the goal is to permanently shame-separate those two from their NY society friends. They can always move to live with those Covid partying crazy orthodox fun folks in Brooklyn….
FlyingToaster
@Dorothy A. Winsor: At last report, Boston was taking 4-5 days to process the dropbox and mail ballots; they were anticipating 10% of the electorate over 14 days, and statewide, it’s 28% after 7 days. Extrapolation nationwide is consistent; municipalities did not anticipate the volume coming in early.
Watertown (where ChezToaster is) announced Friday that they’re processing ballots at 9am each day, starting today. They have a signup to come observe, or watch online. From my conversations with neighbors (masked and socially distanced), about half got mail ballots and are dropping them at the Town Hall dropbox (it’s across the street from the Post Office, heh). Another 20% or so like me have already or will vote in person early. So election day is looking like 30% of the registered voters remaining.
Watertown realized that if they did the normal “wait until next Saturday” to start processing ballots, they wouldn’t be done by open of polls on Election Day. So they’re starting NOW.
Aleta
@Aleta:
Then she heard of the curse, the Covid 19
the damn thing took Nana all alone
the damn thing took Nana all alone in her dream
in her dream
And that was the tale of Nana Doline
a joyful machine, a saint and a queen
May her rest be serene
may her rest be serene
oh Nana Doline
–J. S. Ondara, Ballad of Nana Doline
TS (the original)
@germy:
mmm – rarely does the child – you found the similarity :)
Sab
@Dorothy A. Winsor: It’s so weird. When you talk to Europeans they say “after three hundred years we moved from one side of the mountain to the other and it was hard.” And we move across the continent every generation and it is really hard, and yet we just say “Whatever. Life happens.”
Immanentize
@FlyingToaster: That’s amazing! I’m going to in-person early vote in Medford on Tuesday. I’ll try to get a good update of progress here then.
TS (the original)
@FlyingToaster:
Is this something the GOP could take to court – they have been trying to stop any changes to when the votes are counted – to give trump his election day win?
Uncle Cosmo
@MomSense: Umm… IIUC the way ranked-choice voting works is that the candidate with the fewest votes is eliminated & her/his votes go to whichever of the remaining was the voter’s next choice, the process repeating until only two candidates are left. In which case you might as well have left choices 2 through 5 blank. Just saying.
J R in WV
@Keith P.:
So lawyer writes
And Lincoln Project writes back:
In my mind, anyway. What I would want to do… I hope those billboards give them a clue what their social life will be in NYC after January~!~ Kids in cages!
Matt McIrvin
@Baud: No, actually, the ones I hear going on about this (like “Gregor Sansa” over on LGM) are fully aware that IRV is a step up. The whole point of ranked-choice is to prevent the perfect from being the enemy of the good!
Crashman06
@FlyingToaster: This is really interesting. Thanks for sharing. I voted in person at Town Hall last Saturday and it wasn’t too busy. I wonder what the town and state wide early vote percentage will be by the end of next week.
WaterGirl
@Kirk Spencer: Nice idea. But maybe not a good time to overwhelm the post office?
Matt McIrvin
@FlyingToaster: I left my ballot in a dropbox behind City Hall in Haverhill and it registered as accepted within 3 or 4 hours. I was pretty impressed, but I guess Haverhill doesn’t have to deal with quite the same volume–also it was as early as I could manage, only a couple of days after the ballots mailed out.
A Ghost to Most
@Nelle: We’re expecting big snow (18-24″) tonight and tomorrow in that area (3-7′ in Denver area). The bad news is it will be preceded by big wind.
OzarkHillbilly
@Sab: And I represent the Group W bench.
Kay
@germy:
That’s why I like to look at the Lincoln Project though. It’s Republican v Republican. I feel like I’m eavesdropping :)
I agree generally though- I don’t know how much it helps us. But it’s entertaining and we deserve some entertainment.
Kathleen
@Sab: Loved Jennifer Bruner and I voted for her. BOE confirmed my absentee ballot was accepted!
Matt McIrvin
@Uncle Cosmo: This would only be an issue if MomSense’s favored candidates aren’t in the top 2, which under the circumstances is extremely unlikely. If it were more of an even three-way split, would be worth considering.
Aleta
@MomSense: I never thought of that, the pleasure of doing that. The relief that we have ranked choice is a joy, to have a better chance to get Collins out and stymie whatever Le Page is stirring up next.
J R in WV
@Eunicecycle:
Ya’ll think Jarvanka doesn’t have a big old box full of Presidential Daily Briefings, then? ;~)
I sure hope they don’t… that would be a tragic failure of the Intelligence community, oh, wait ~!!~
Kathleen
@Mousebumples: I got a post card for the judicial race from LA voter! I wondered if a jackal sent it!
germy
@Kay:
Danielx
@Sab:
Read someplace once that an American thinks a hundred years is a long time, and a European thinks a hundred miles is a long distance.
Kay
@germy:
I also think some of their advice to Democrats is good. I agree with their whole “Democrats aren’t confident enough”. We don’t celebrate our wins enough. All this convenient early voting that voters love so much? That’s ours. We made that better for people.
Haroldo
FWIW:
We live in a small/medium sized town in MA. We requested absentee ballots; as a result of high demand we did not get ours until Sat, Oct 17 (the same day early voting in MA began). Filled them out and delivered them to a drop box in front of city hall on Tues, Oct 20. Ballots were ‘accepted’ on the same day according to the State of MA website. Very pleased with the process.
Uncle Cosmo
I have a sneaking suspicion that the Intelligence Community won’t settle for that. Extradition? We don do no steenkin’ extradition! Either an exquisitely well-faked suicide or a bizarre accident like drowning in six inches of bathtub water.
(In fact I have a suspicion that the IC and their buddies in allied countries are fucking with Daddy Vladdy right now to the point that between that and COVID, he’s not gonna be able to steal this one for his little orangehaired boy. That the chickenlittling at the All-White House and Global Oligarchy Project started the day they got his YOYO notification.)
Sab
@Another Scott: My town also are allowing trick or treating but supposed to do a distance honor system. Bucket of candy out front. Either the first adolescent twerp steals it, or multiple tiiny children paw through it. No way is that safe. So much risk for candy.
My lovely but RWNJs across the street put out their Trump sign this year. I didn’t know they even bothered to vote. They don’t let there kids do Halloween when beggars night is on Sunday, but I am sure they will allow trick or treat during a pandemic.
SIGH.
My husband wants me to shun them. I can’t do that but I will really seriously dial back any neighborhood friendlines. No more plant swaps.
Aleta
@Keith P.: Ah, that could explain one reason for the “Ivanka likes ice cream” piece in the NYT. In times of bad press her office invariably outlines suggestions for a ?? piece (or bestows quotes from ‘friends’) to a reporter.
Kay
@germy:
That’s funny.
Some of their advice is bad, too. They freaked out about law n order and it didn’t move the needle at all. I thought it would too, so I was wrong too, but they’re supposed to be expert political professionals.
I’m interested in their whole “fatherhood/Biden” thing. I just think it’s interesting with or without politics, but I also think one of the ways working class white men here related to Obama was Obama as a father. My husband is a really affectionate father – he’s almost helplessly smitten with our kids- he adores them and it’s amusing because he’s a combative, blunt person outside of that. I’ve enjoyed them talking about what “real men” are and aren’t.
Gin & Tonic
@J R in WV: As about five million people have already said on Twitter, this is a threat to sue. They will not *actually* sue, because then discovery will be so much fun…
WaterGirl
@Baud: What’s going on? Are you on a phone, tablet or computer?
Sab
@Danielx: Outlander! Frank Randall (Claire’s undeserved British ex.)
Kathleen
@Kay: The purpose is to prevent Democrats/African Americans from voting. They’ve admitted it openly. Media never bothered investigating it. They didn’t care. I remember NPR bot accuse Terry McAuliffe of signing order allowing felons to vote as pandering to get more votes. She said it because an Rethug VA legislator made the accusation and she wouldn’t let it go. She kept badgering him about it and was nasty. I was furious.
Uncle Cosmo
Oh, bullshit. You left for lower taxes like everyone else.
Callouste
@Sab: My mom’s side of the family traced their ancestry back to the 1600s, and that whole line of ancestors lived in the same city.
Aleta
@Kay: I’m glad for what they do, but suspect now that they’re organized and practiced, their audience already formed, they’re in a great spot to advertise the “new Republican Party” and move toward influencing Biden’s efforts .
Matt McIrvin
@Kay: The conservative horror of the pictures of Joe Biden kissing his son is so amazingly sick. Just a sign of a diseased ideology. I don’t think some of these people understand how normal people feel about parents and children.
Kathleen
@artem1soo: And so much of that is due to gerrymandering. I believe Democrats always receive more votes numerically in the state legislature/Senate but lose the slots because of gerrymandering. I’m ashamed to say I haven’t paid attention to the systemic rot that populates the State House. Thank you for the education!
Sab
@Danielx: Outlander! Frank Randall (Claire’s undeserved British ex.)
I was just reading Dorothy Dutton (Scottish historical novelist who is my obsessive favorite.) Her guys traipse across the country and it is 35, or maybe 50 miles. Long haul. Granted they are on horseback. My daily commute in one corner of Ohio is 35 miles one way, so 70 miles round trip. In traffic every day.
I hate it.
Sab
@Danielx: Outlander! Frank Randall (Claire’s undeserved British ex.)
I was just reading Dorothy Dutton (Scottish historical novelist who is my obsessive favorite.) Her guys traipse across the country and it is 35, or maybe 50 miles. Long haul. Granted they are on horseback. My daily commute in one corner of Ohio is 35 miles one way, so 70 miles round trip. In traffic every day.
I hate my commute. If I never see Cuyahoga County again it will be too soon, and that is just the commute.
ETA Otherwise I like CC a lot.
Kathleen
@Sab: My Senate district legislative district precinct number and voting place have changed several times in the past few years. I had 3 fantastic Dem reps for years – one in the Legislature and 2 in the Senate. Then all of a sudden I got stuck with Rethugs.
Calouste
@Danielx: Probably 80-90% of Europe (excluding Russia) is less than 100 miles from the sea or a national border.
ixnay
@MomSense: I didn’t read the instructions that way, so I guess I will take another look.
Suzanne
@Matt McIrvin:
I agree. It’s monstrous.
Barbara
@Ken: Actually, I was a bit surprised at the level of pushback and especially how public it has become, until I remembered that provisions of federal law impose personal liability on employees who use government resources for campaign purposes. The level of resistance tells me that people tasked with carrying this out either know or are afraid that there are emails or memos suggesting a political purpose, leaving them personally exposed. They might feel unable to protect themselves without letting that fear filter out to Congress or private watchdogs.
Sab
@Kathleen: Urk. I still have Tim Ryan. Used to have to hold my nose to vote for him. Marriage seems to have settled him ( Novel concept: talk to women, especially teachers.)
So since he isn’t nutso misogynist they dug up a R woman to challenge him. She just happens to have an unrelated maiden name related to a big Democratic clan ( Hagans) from Mahoning County valley. She is running as a silent Republican. Only problem is her only supporters are Trumpers, so all her yard signs are in yards besides Trumps signs.
Tim Ryan is running hilarious ads. Off camera Christina Hagan facing interviews. We don’t see or hear her, only the questions. She lives outside the district. “So you cannot vote for yourself?”
Kathleen
@Mudbrush: I read about that. They expect very slow traffic around 275 today. I try to avoid 275 as much as possible because it’s a portal to the execrable exurbs.
Kathleen
@Sab: News media ran amok during 2000 vote count. Their Rethuglican Bully Daddy love fed their biased coverage. Sadly they were driving the train and will this time also. At least broadcast media.
laura
I’m sad about Jerry Jeff Walker’s passing. 2020 has been absolutely brutal on the music community – here and around the world. And if there’s a musical heaven the fresh recruits from folk and rock and Afrobeat and Jazz and classical are going to make some beautiful noise. Here’s my personal JJW favorite: https://youtu.be/0140Eu5DFa
I’m looking forward to a lifetime of shunning jarvanka from Manhattan to Podunk and all points in between.
Matt McIrvin
@Suzanne: I guess they might be trying to get back at us for being creeped out by Donald Trump’s behavior toward Ivanka. But, you know, repeatedly talking about what a great piece of tail your daughter is is kind of different…
West of the Rockies
@raven:
Don’t know how well you know Paradise, but Joy Lynn’s Candies just reopened!
Kathleen
@Sab: Ha! My fellow OH1 voters have inflicted Steve Chabot on me for like 25 years (except for a blessed 2 year respite when a brilliant young Dem booted him out in 2008 only to lose his seat because he voted for ACA and Right to Life lied about his position on the Federal abortion funding provision in ACA). Kate Schroder has a shot this time. She’s hit him hard on his health care record, which is standard garden variety Rethuglican “F**k Off And Die”.
Baud
@Matt McIrvin:
Good to hear. Didn’t mean to offend. I’m so used to the perfect being the enemy.
Sab
@Kathleen: Yay!
By the way. My grandmother’s maiden name was Bruner. I knw how that was pronounced. Jennifer Brunner’s name is a married name. Two nn’s . I have no idea how that is pronounced. Grandmother was Brooner. I assume Jennifer is different, eg Brunner ( like it is spelled.)
The Moar You Know
@JPL: It’s important to note that unless it was handed to him on a one page, bullet pointed piece of paper, he knows NOTHING about how our defense systems work, about our intelligence assets, about anything. He is utterly worthless to the Russians in any way, shape, or form and even if he wasn’t they’re going to have to hang him out to dry.
Putin’s already going to have to deal with a super-pissed off post-Trump United States who will have quite a bit of motivation to do him some serious economic damage. And we can. He isn’t going to make that already bad situation worse by giving a useless fake billionaire leech who is actually stone broke a free place to live and propping him up in style (which is an expense the Russian public will not stand for) not unless he’s a whole lot dumber than he’s proven himself to be in the past.
Trump has nothing of value to bring any nation. He is fucked post-election.
Gvg
@Eunicecycle: um, no they are really racist and actually think all black people are not really Americans. Not from their town or neighborhood at least. I can’t explain irrationality. This is also where Obama is not born here really came from. Emotion not logic.
If I was black, I would try to keep a low profile around the people who give off this vibe, not be noticed….
Anyway, they assume all blacks are voting fraudulently. Many have additional prejudices about other groups of “foreigners” but it’s not quite a universal.
Ugly people.
BruceFromOhio
@Kay:
I apologize, Kay, but to hell with the LP. Yeah, sure, enemy of my enemy yadda yadda. Once Dems are back in the House (and the Senate and the White House) I’ll bet you your next bar tab those clever and shiny ads get turned on Democrats without a pause. I’d be ecstatic to be wrong.
See also: the Frankenstein Project. Republicans make ALL the messes Democrats are expected to clean up, and enough already.
Mousebumples
@BruceFromOhio: posted! You can check out my nym on Twitter if you want to see it.
@Kathleen: I’m in Wisconsin, so that one’s not from me. But like I said to Bruce, if you want to post it on social media, I’m sure writers will love to see it. Or if you can get my email from a front pager (eg Watergirl and I have emailed enough), i can post a pic of it to Twitter for you. :)
BruceFromOhio
@BruceFromOhio: YAFromOhio (thank you, Amir) finished voting with her friends. It took a little over two hours in line. Many, many people still in line. Other than the wait, things are running smoothly.
No MAGAts in trucks during the time she was there.
Omnes Omnibus
@Matt McIrvin: It also means they don’t understand what is creepy about Trump’s relationship with his daughter.
Gvg
@hueyplong: he actually spoke up this year and said it was ok to call real new natzi’s that.
BruceFromOhio
@Mousebumples: Hey hey, looks good! Thanks for playing!! And let anyone who did postcards know, very well received, and many many thanks!
Mousebumples
@BruceFromOhio: I’ll pass it along! ?
And comment added in another Tweet!
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@JPL: Putin can get the same information without an Cuban Missile Crises level showdown with the US by bribing some IT dude bro in the DOD who has been written up for harassment. See Snowden.
Kathleen
@Sab: You never know. There could be a connection. My grandfather who was an Irish immigrant changed name from Neal to O’Neill and used 2 l’s while his brothers used 1 l.
raven
@West of the Rockies: Really not at all, just that one of my oldest friend lives there.
Kathleen
@Mousebumples: Alas I didn’t keep it because I had already voted but thanks for your offer and your work!
debbie
@J R in WV:
The “joke” is that the “defamatory” statement on Jared’s billboard is a direct quote of something he actually said about New Yorkers.
Kathleen
@Sab: Ugh. I didn’t realize Trump was in Ohio today. Near Columbus.
debbie
@Kathleen:
At the Circleville Pumpkin Show, of course!
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Kay: Oh I agree it’s well reasoned strategy from the Democrats. For one thing for all the sneering at the voting habits of the young, it’s worth remembering the young aren’t retired and frequently have more impotent things to do during the work week than wait in line to vote. And look, the youth vote is really up on early voting.
But my point is Trump is a stoner and mañana is how stoners think.
CapnMubbers
@West of the Rockies:
Thank you for posting this—I lived down Bille Road from Joy Lyn’s and lost everything, eventually decided against rebuilding and relocated to Utah. My son-in-law liked ALL the Joy Lyn’s chocolates , even “the ones I don’t like”! I will be ordering him a box for Christmas.
Chyron HR
@BruceFromOhio:
So fucking what? I’ll take Republicans who make common cause with Democrats just this once over Sunshine Justice Demcorats who make common cause with Republicans every four years like clockwork.
Formerly disgruntled in Oregon
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
Stop – No stoner libelz!
Trump is a speed freak, not a stoner (does he seem mellowed out in any way?)
Give me a stoner over a speed freak any day of the week!
frosty
@Uncle Cosmo: Bullshit backatcha. Lower mortgage, sure. State income tax maybe. But we’ve got state, county, and borough income tax. Property tax. School tax. And a ridiculous (not any more Thank Dog) per capita tax of $10 per household resident. Oh, and gas prices (due to gas tax) are higher.
Did I mention the water and sewer bill went from around $15/quarter to $150/quarter? That’s what happens when every township and borough has its own WWTP instead of sending everything to Back River with economies of scale.
Suzanne
@Omnes Omnibus:
This is because many of them secretly (or not) lust after their own daughters.
This is like what I said when all the Kavanaugh stuff was going on: they absolutely have no problem believing that he did it. They just do not care or find it disqualifying at all.
Rape culture begins at home.
CapnMubbers
@CapnMubbers:
Alas, no online ordering at this time for Joy Lyn’s.
Almost Retired
@debbie: In addition to being the home of vicious militia groups, Piqua, Ohio is the setting for the Captain Underpants series. So there’s that…
Ruckus
@Kay:
Election day only voting means voting on a work day. If you can’t take the day off it means most likely going after work, unless your work hours are not all daylight hours. And I think that a lot of people don’t/didn’t vote because of it. Now most states have early voting, mail/drop off ballots and most important, time/better opportunity to vote.
Ruckus
@Sab:
Only hires those work the cheapest? Like those with no experience or those who might know more than him, or at least act like it.
The Lodger
@Almost Retired: Another literary scholar! Woohoo!
Actually, a former co-worker of mine formerly lived in Piqua. Nothing about that town surprises me.
Ruckus
@JPL:
So vlad would be less informed? Hmmm…..
FlyingToaster
@TS (the original): They’re not being counted. For in-person, ballots are in early voting envelopes (Name adddress precinct signature), and the “received a ballot” book was checked and you were handed back your envelope and your ballot. You crossed the hall to the early voting room, went to a carrell and filled out your ballot, stuffed it in the envelope, sealed it at the table with the squeege bottle, and deposited it in your precinct dropbox (of the 12 precinct dropboxes).
For mail-in/dropbox (right outside the door of early voting), you have the mail version of the early voting envelope; the envelopes have to be matched and checked off in the “received a ballot” book, and deposited in the correct precinct dropbox.
So all of the ballots received through COB Friday are in the (possibly full) precinct dropboxes. With election judges and observers present, each dropbox will be emptied, each envelope checked off against the “turned in ballot” book, and placed address-side away from the processing staff. One precinct at a time, they will open those envelopes (not seeing the addresses), remove and unfold the ballots, and place them in that precinct’s ballot box [a legal-sized metal lockbox]. When a precinct is done, they will lock the box and put it in the elections office, retrieve the next precinct’s box, and rinse, repeat. In our town, each precinct has maybe 2400 voters.
On election day, they start scanning in early ballots at the precinct usually about an hour before the polls open; this year, since they have a surfeit of young volunteers, that may well start at like 4 am so that they can be largely done by 7 when the polls open. In previous years, they were still scanning early ballots in the afternoon when I went in, but for this year’s primary, they’d already scanned in the early ballots before my spouse went in (he was voter 120 at 7:30 am, with noone in line).
This will vary wildly by state, but that’s how the laws read in Massachusetts.
evodevo
@Matt McIrvin: I keep getting right winger nutjob pics of Biden hugging his grandkids with a heading about pedophilia…these people have NO shame…
evodevo
@Sab: If the roads are moderately good (certainly not guaranteed in those days lol), a horse can trot along at 10 miles an hour for a while…you can cover a LOT more ground on a horse than on foot. But then you have to have food and shelter for the horse at the end of the day…and a grassfed horse can’t keep up the pace for very long. They require high-cal grain to go any distance at all…
Matt McIrvin
@evodevo: The people who created this billboard run a “Christian” addiction-treatment program:
https://twitter.com/RyanForRecovery/status/1320037179138011136
Surely all this particular angle does is help Republicans congratulate themselves for being bullies.
Ruckus
@Ken:
The interrogators already know.\
Everyone knows.
Except the people as dumb or racist (which may be the exact same thing) as he is.
Kathleen
@debbie: Just what we need here. Another herd immunity exercise. Ohio’s spiking badly enough as it is.
Ruckus
@Bruuuuce:
I have suffered for decades from migraines. I now take B2 and magnesium oxide, which cuts back the quantity a dramatic amount. When I started on this I was getting 1-3 a week. Now I get at most 1-2 every 60 days. The cause of someone’s migraines may be different but this was prescribed by docs and seems to be fairly widely accepted as a preventive, but it’s not considered a 100% control. Might be worth checking out if she’s not already on it or can try it out medically.
2liberal
@Suzanne: re: Adrian Fontes Maricopa County Recorder
He did a zoom with some of us concerned about the voting process and gave great presentation
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=651793595469493
JustRuss
Larry Nelson’s daughter is an acquaintance of mine. That man knows how to grow pumpkins.