BREAKING: Kamala Harris is coming to Houston again.
For the first time since 1988 we have a Democratic Vice Presidential candidate campaigning in Texas down stretch https://t.co/THao6KwALK
— Jeremy Wallace (@JeremySWallace) October 25, 2020
Kamala Harris gives #60Minutes four irrefutable examples of Trump’s racism.
• Birtherism
• Charlottesville
• Calling Mexicans rapists
• Trying to ban Muslims— Keith Boykin (@keithboykin) October 26, 2020
As Ds send Kamala to Tex > https://t.co/1Meh71LIoa
— Jonathan Martin (@jmartNYT) October 25, 2020
I always forget Peggy Noonan is just a few years older than I am — she seems such a pre-Boomer relic. (Well, TBH, I always forget Peggy Noonan.)
Yeah, something *is* embarrassing here but it’s not Kamala Harris https://t.co/Y74A41edc8
— Margaret Sullivan (@Sulliview) October 25, 2020
Baud
But a whole lot drunker.
kindness
I have to wonder why Peggy Noonan thought this was a good time to bag on Kamela. Maybe it was her 5th Gin Tonic of the morning, I don’t know.
Kent
Joe has really grown on me since March. I think he is exactly the right candidate for this moment in time when the orcs are really at the door. And I think he has run a masterful campaign so far.
But honestly, Kamala for me is the bright spot on this ticket. I would crawl through miles of broken glass to vote for any Dem this year. But Kamala makes it 100% enthusiastic. I like that my daughters are all Kamala fans
She has a certain amount of Michelle Obama in her, and I’m not talking about race. Just the temperament, warmth, brilliance, humor.
satby
Nooners is 70 going on ded. Looked up her birthdate and saw she was married only 4 years in the 80s. Bet the guy ran screaming.
lamh36
Speaking of Peggy Noonan
Listen here…to ALLL the white lady friends but especially the ones who may not know how…take notes THIS IS HOW YOU SHOW ALLYSHIP FOR BLACK WOMEN!
Nicole Wallace and Claire McCaskill, gathered Peggy Noonan ALL DE WAY UP for that racist bullshit about Kamala Harris’ dancing
https://twitter.com/PettyLupone/status/1320835138796679169?s=20
West of the Cascades
Fuck Peggy Noonan. Harris has been a US Senator and California Attorney General, and that drunken low-life has the temerity to call her “insubstantial”?
Kent
@satby: The stuff she wrote about Ronnie is just unbelievably cringeworthy. I lived through the Reagan era and he was OK I suppose if you were a conservative. But wow, she literally wants to blow him and lick his boots. It’s not a good look.
Baud
@satby:
“What do you mean you want me to dress up as Reagan’s foot?”
lamh36
I guess somebody has got to take Susan Collins’ place when she loses…over to you Lisa Murkowski
Sure she willLisa…sure…
satby
@Kent: My formerly berniac son is now all in on Biden. Says he sees how he’s the perfect antidote to the plaguerat in the WH.
Poptartacus
Fuck these people
Crush them into dust
p.a.
And she’ll be ready to step up in ’24.
debbie
Answer this, Peggy Noonan:
Kent
@lamh36: Claire McCaskill has really grown on me this past year. I guess losing your Senate seat means you know longer have any fucks left to give. But she is constantly among the most sharp tongued and sharp-witted of anyone MSNBC ever has on. I imagine there is 50 years worth of dealing with asshole men and having to keep your lip zipped all pent up inside her.
Baud
@Kent:
Agreed.
RandomMonster
I suppose when Trump does that creepy/lame clenched fist flabby white ass dance, it’s ‘connecting with the audience’?
Oh that’s right, different standards for women…
satby
@lamh36: Nope, because that particular flavor of RWNJ handmaid is gunning to overturn Griswald, which Roe is predicated on. And Murkowski is perfectly aware of that.
debbie
@Kent:
My innards still shudder whenever I’m reminded of her thing about cradling one of Reagan’s shoes in her hands.
Benw
These racist assholes are about to have their asses handed to them by another black person ( and somehow also Joe Biden, again) and it freaks them right the fuck out.
V O T E
lamh36
@Kent: She is DEF one of the better former Dem pols as analyist on tv.
She’s been a great addition for MSNBC
Matt McIrvin
@Kent: Kamala Harris was my second choice for President, but I was disappointed when she dropped out so early because I thought she was probably a more likely nominee than Warren, and one of my happiest moments of the campaign was when Biden chose her. (Given that Biden was the nominee, Harris was a superior VP choice to Warren, I think.)
rp
Reposted from thread below: I just saw the socialist exchange from 60 minutes. It’s actually much worse in context. It’s a profoundly stupid question.
lamh36
Let me tell ya something, some folks really think that Black folks ain’t gonna hem up ANYBODY talking racist, fake azz shit about VPOTUS Kamala D. Harris they bette think again. Cause looka here, the same way Black folks gathered ANYONE who came for PBO, the first Black POTUS, Or Forever FLOTUS, the first BLACK first lady…they really think we gonna let they shit slide past us against the first FEMALE, BLACK Vice President!!!
She not only gon have Black folk fighting for her, and she gone have some white women folks fighting for her. They better get ready
gwangung
Of course she said that at about Kamala, folks.
Peggy claps on the 1s and 3s.
Kent
@satby: Honestly, I don’t ever remember the party being more united in purpose than it is right at this very moment this very week. And I’ve been following politics since the Carter Ford election.
Yes, I’m sure you can dredge up anti-Biden lefties on twitter someplace. You can also dredge up every kind of horrifying fetish you want on the internet too. You can find people who are turned on by turtles, for example. Doesn’t mean they represent any sort of meaningful numbers.
It’s not going to last past January. But right now, at this moment it feels good. And Joe is the right guy to build a majority around.
He gave the absolute best answer I have ever heard on Pod Save America this week. I’m paraphrasing. But he was asked how he was going to respond to skeptical lefty types who want to hold his feet to the fire. And he turned the question around and said, I’m going to hold THEIR feet to the fire. To stay involved, and fight for what they believe, and build on the progress we make. Because progress is about more than just the president.
Exactly right.
Ken
Tonic? Novel thought…
TS (the original)
Republicans are protesting against voting again by going to the SCOTUS
President Biden is going to spend 50% of his time as President fighting this lot through the courts. When they cannot win via elections they use the courts – they want to own all branches of government.
Whether he wants to or not, SCOTUS will have to be expanded in size by Biden.
HumboldtBlue
Have a chuckle.
Hollywood favorites @PadmaLakshmi, @Aasif Mandvi, @aparnapkin, and more came together to share this important voting PSA for South Asian Americans
Dan B
@lamh36: Nicolle Wallace and Claire McCaskill really stood with Kamala. Pointing out that Trump has “danced” at his rallies was a good one.
Kent
@Matt McIrvin: I agree, much as I liked Warren, she wasn’t the right VP pick. She is a singular talent on her own and a Senate Committee is a place of enormous power when you are in the majority. But Biden had better keep his fucking hands off her as long as there is a Republican in the governor’s seat in MA.
Omnes Omnibus
Harris was my first pick in this primary, but, when she dropped out, I moved to Biden by the first part of January. I really think Joe is the man for this moment and I think that Harris is the perfect person to be set up as his successor (be it in 2024 or 2028 as Joe’s health and vigor warrant). They make one hell of a team.
Baud
@Kent:
All of this.
zhena gogolia
@lamh36:
Somebody posted that in the thread below. It’s terrific!
A Ghost to Most
Nooners is a drunken sideshow.
Meanwhile, Gov.
WallaceAbbott has called out the National Guard to 5 democratic bastions in Texass.debbie
It seems to me Kamala’s doing what the VP candidate is supposed to do in the campaign: Say the things that might get Biden into hot water. Unlike Pence, who’s been trained to kiss Trump’s ass at every possible moment.
Wyatt Salamanca
The insufferably toolish Peggy Noonan is way past her Sell By date.
Bobby Thomson
I haven’t seen Nooners (Our Lady of the Dolphins) pummeled this energetically since TBogg was still blogging
ETA: https://balloon-juice.com/2009/09/24/balloon-juice-dictionary/#comment-1379746
Delk
I used to go to an AA meeting called ‘nooners’. Just sayin’
HumboldtBlue
The wildfires in SoCal are back, two Orange County firefighters suffered very severe burns in wildfires near Irvine and Yorba Linda.
lamh36
So Roberts isn’t swearing in that Amy lady, Clarence Thomas is…hmmm…
Bluegirlfromwyo
@debbie: President Oompa-Loompa Superspreader is exempt from dignity cause he’s a businessman, doncha know? ?
JoyceH
My thoughts exactly. The right man in the right place at the right time. SUCH a contrast to Trump! Just generally DECENT. And knows what he’s talking about, and can talk about it calmly – he should be bottled and sold as blood pressure medicine.
JoyceH
But not exclusively the Reagan stuff. Elian Gonzalez being rescued by angel-dolphins was another classic.
Dorothy A. Winsor
I talked to my sister this afternoon. She voted in Rome, NY, north of Utica. She says police were there telling people without masks to leave. I’m talking about even when they were in a line outside the building.
lamh36
WHAT?
Isn’t this dude is supposed to be a “doctor”…SMH
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Kent:
My two youngest gadflies are gaining political maturity and coming home to Team D. What they expressed this weekend at youngest daughter’s home in Cincinnati was that they wouldn’t be happy about Biden running for a second term, but that Job 1 is to get rid of Trump and to save the fights for later.
Now, to disabuse them of the Berniebrat implanted “Kamala is a Cop” idea.
Kamala was always my first choice. I think she’ll be great, but there’s a lot of of rebuilding that has to happen first.
geg6
@lamh36:
I saw that in real time and was cheering!
West of the Cascades
@Dorothy A. Winsor: so the police were suppressing Republican voters? Actually, I guess, those voters were self-suppressing.
Gary K
I really wanted to vote for KH, but Ohio’s primary was so late in the game that she was already gone. That clip reminds me what I really like about her: she always has her ducks in a row. One time I served on a jury, and the prosecuting attorney scared the living daylights out of me with her icy competence; I would not have wanted to be under her cross-examination. KH has that same vibe, I think.
HumboldtBlue
@lamh36:
I saw that as well. I wonder what’s behind that.
MomSense
@lamh36:
She’s already got my 16 year old. He’s all over social media defending her. He thinks she is the best thing since forever FLOTUS.
Omnes Omnibus
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Here in Madison, we’ve got masks to hand out to voters without them.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@lamh36:
“But Claire McCaskill isn’t sufficiently progressive…”
– David Sirota, probably sometime
Baud
@JoyceH:
Man, Elian must be thrilled to be in Cuba rather than here.
Dan B
@lamh36: Won’t Thomas be amazed when Barrett votes to overturn Loving?
Baud
@Gary K:
Harris dropped out before any primaries were held.
HumboldtBlue
Sarah Cooper has regrets.
cain
I ask – what the fuck has she done with her life? I believe she helped cause the death of tens of thousands of iraqis. Fuck her, fuck her life, and fuck her legacy.
debbie
@HumboldtBlue:
It’s confirmation she’ll vote down ACA and Roe v. Wade.
Kent
I’m sure!
I just don’t want to damage by brain by becoming too much of a Nooner cognoscenti! Knowing about the Reagan stuff is all I can handle.
Cheryl Rofer
@Kent: Even the Justice Democrats!
a thousand flouncing lurkers was fidelio
@gwangung:
Not only that, she’s off tempo with those, too.
cain
@debbie:
why the fuck do they even use that song? What does it mean in the current context? I mean, I don’t think this is even his kind of music. Plus it’s a gay anthem – something these people seem to be against altogether. Morons.
debbie
@HumboldtBlue:
I’d love to see him try to drive one of those trucks. I bet he’s never driven anything other than a golf cart.
Baud
Via Reddit
https://i.redd.it/hlbrm4fvfhv51.jpg
debbie
@cain:
I always thought playing “You Can’t Always Get What You Want” seemed too nihilistic for Trump. I wonder if Stephen Miller is who’s picking the songs. You just know he’s got the tone deaf thing down to an art.
Kent
@Cheryl Rofer: It’s nice to see. It won’t last but the moment we are in right now is nice. I honestly don’t ever recall this sort of moment.
2016 we had the Bernie folk
2000 we had the Naderites and the Greens.
1992 we had a bunch of old guard who weren’t that into Bill Clinton
1988 we had Jessie Jackson and his folk not on board with Dukakis.
1980 we had Kennedy challenging Carter plus Anderson.
Calouste
@lamh36: Roberts is still tied enough to reality to know that with his health issues he doesn’t want to attend a superspreader event. Thomas on the other hand…
cain
@HumboldtBlue:
I can dig it – brown people (like me) represent!
HumboldtBlue
Sacha Baron Cohen bringing some truth to the world (serious)
Omnes Omnibus
@cain: Disco from late era Studio 54. The last place and time that went into forming his sensibilities.
cain
@lamh36:
If you ask me, Roberts is probably horrified.
lamh36
At this point it’s not even about Roe vs Wade or Loving vs Virginia or the ACA litigation. The here and now issue will be if the electoral college numbers are close enough for Chump/GOP to want to run the hail mary play of taking it to the SCOTUS
cain
@Omnes Omnibus:
He’s ruining the song!!
L85NJGT
@A Ghost to Most:
Rich Uncle Pennybags just dumped $2.6 million on Democrat Chrysta Castañeda for a seat on the Texas Railroad Commission.
Baud
@cain:
Almost certainly not. But he’s probably a little concerned about the future of the courts.
lamh36
Dorothy A. Winsor
@West of the Cascades: Hey, Blue Lives Matter!
HumboldtBlue
@cain:
Please keep your shirt on.
cintibud
Fits much better in the Fuck Mitch post but it’s already dead. I keep hearing that McGrath doesn’t have a chance but she is fighting the ad wars like, well a Marine. It’s a pitched battle I’m being subjected to from across the river here. Her ads are professional and hitting Mitch hard about all the relief bills parked on his desk, cleverly retorting to one of turtle’s attack, running an endorsement from KY governor Beshear and countering Mitch’s ads showing him as concerned about the opioid epidemic by featuring KY basketball legend Rex Chapman. Chapman starts by declaring “This is personal to me! I almost died from opioids!” and goes on to blast all the ways the turtle hamstringed or stopped legislation to deal with the crisis.
Just doesn’t look like a lopsided race.
cain
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
We were having such a nice thread until you mentioned David Sirota’s name. If you distilled him into a perfume, it’ll be parfum de cloaque.
parfum de cloaque
Ruckus
@Wyatt Salamanca:
I thought it is that she’s way past take out the trash day…
TS (the original)
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
And the police in NYC confiscated masks that were being provided to voters in line.
Ken
I was going to comment on how 19th-century this seemed, but read the article and found that (for what must be historical reasons) the Railroad Commission regulates the oil and gas industry.
lamh36
I mean is this is?
Interesting observations.
I do agree that McConnell is a fuq’n bully. If/when Dems win back the Senate…they can’t be wishy washy about what McConnell can or will do…they need to add to the damn courts and if we lose seats at the next midterm, so be it.
The country CANNOT afford for a Conservative majority on the SCOTUS. Black and Brown folks cannot afford a Conservative majority on SCOTUS. If Dems let this stand even if they re-assume power…Black and Brown folks will be the canary in the coal mine. It may affect us first, but it will trickle down and reverberate across EVERY community.
I think the difference between McConnell and the disgusting GOP is that when they do have the hand on the power, those fuq’ers use it even if it’s to the detriment of the country…I happen to believe the Democrat way is a much better reason to use the power when we get it.
The question is will Schumer be willing to go for the jugular? Would Harry Reid have been more willing? Is there anyone who could become majority leader and do it?I
I don’t know, but I just don’t think we can just let a conservative majority stand on the SCOTUS and hope for the best?
NotMax
@Dorothy A. Winsor
So sayeth Papa Smurf.
Baud
Sherrod Brown just said Biden will win Ohio FWIW.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@debbie:
My Joe Biden inaugural playlist includes:
Jackie Wilson – “Your Love (is lifting me higher)“
Natasha Bedingfield – “Unwritten”
Elvis Presley JXL Mix – “A Little Less Conversation”
“Battle Hymn of the Republic”
Christina Aguilera – “Beautiful”
Boston – “Don’t Look Back”
Journey – “Don’t Stop Believin’”
Kansas – “Carry on Wayward Son”
George Harrison – “Here Comes the Sun”
L85NJGT
@Ken:
Back in the day it was the cartel that set Texas oil production quotas, and thus the global price of West Texas Intermediate.
Delk
@cain: YMCA is a get up and shake it dance for old folks at weddings. In the hours I have spent on the dance floors in gay bars I have never heard the song.
Goku (Amerikan Baka)
@Kent:
I agree. Can you imagine if Sanders had been the nominee? I shudder to think how he would have handled the George Floyd protests or the debates with Trump
raven
@Delk: It was THE song at all of the Olympic Soccer games in Athens, GA. I had no idea what it was but they played it every chance they got and I went to every game!
topclimber
@debbie: Sorry libtard, but Trump don’t need to vet his substantial, one might say weighty image.
Baud
Hmm. Joy just said most of the early vote in Texas is Republican.
cain
talk to your senator and get them to talk to Schumer and everyone else – the long standing rules of the Senate is over. It’s war now. All rules are suspended.
Also get DiFi out of there – because she will be the woman who will be against all of us.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@cain:
He knows that his end result is to serve as Chief Justice of an expanded (and thus individually weakened) Supreme Court.
dmsilev
An evening dose of amusement: as the rats abandon the sinking ship, they turn on each other looking for scapegoats.
Meadows under fire as Trump chief of staff for handling of pandemic and other crises
Ruckus
@lamh36:
He’s about as much doctor as I am president.
IOW absolute zero.
Omnes Omnibus
@raven: Frank Zappa’s Bobby Brown Goes Down is a surprisingly big singalong song in Germany.
lamh36
I still can’t get down with Chuck Taylors, they too damn flat…but ICYMI:
WaterGirl
@Baud: That doesn’t fit well with what Beto was saying earlier.
SoupCatcher
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
Any room for Tennessee Ernie Ford singing “Marching Through Georgia?”
Baud
@WaterGirl:
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
raven
@Omnes Omnibus: dang
NotMax
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
Rocketing to the top of that day’s hit parade.
;)
Sloane Ranger
@HumboldtBlue: Trump idea of outreach to Black voters?
Omnes Omnibus
@lamh36: You need to get a new insole – even a Dr. Scholl’s.
lamh36
@Baud: I’d like to know where she’s getting that information from. and what is she trying to say in terms of what is means?
Goku (Amerikan Baka)
@Baud:
Wow, if Brown’s saying that, then the odds must be pretty good based on what he’s seeing. He holds statewide office here so he would know. What I’m really looking forward to are the state Supreme Court candidates winning, the state House seat flipping back to D (hopefully) and a few local court races
Kathleen
@Bobby Thomson: Was it TBOGG or Atrios who always pictured her in this noir gin joint with her face planted on the bar? That was a blog standard in the early ‘aughts. I tried to find it but I couldn’t.
Matt McIrvin
We’re trying to win the election now, but if Trump nullifies it with some farcical judicial maneuver, we need to make plans to shut this motherfucking country down.
lamh36
@Omnes Omnibus: my issues is not just arches though. I have a one leg shorter than the other from a fracture when I was 12 (my bones didn’t fuse back equally). So not only am I short about an inch in one leg, but that also means, I’m about 1/2 a size smaller on one foot than the other. Add to that I’m 5’8″ with the size feet of someone who’s that tall and it’s just too hard to find a good flat shoe. So I get more cushioned shoes, that at least allows for a bit of compensation for the issue cause the cushioned shoes evenutally morphs to the right shape for my foot with consistent wear.
Sorry for the long explanation…LOL
NotMax
@Omnes Omnibus
Hep slang for involuntary solecists?
:)
Kathleen
@cain: PNoon and MoDo should team up for a Netflix reality series.
lamh36
Murkowski gave her coverage
Whatever…bye Susan!
lamh36
It’s already beginning.
Aleta
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
Spencer Davis Group – Gimme Some Lovin’ (So glad we made it)
Fontella Bass – Rescue Me
Sam Moore- Hold On I’m Coming (Madison Square Garden)
TS (the original)
@Baud:
It’s worth a lot to my psyche after reading a post above saying trump could win the EC.
thanks.
Overland
@Kathleen:
Here ya go…
Nooners!
Kathleen
@cintibud: I think she’s hit her stride now with her ads. I don’t know why she didn’t produce ad showing him giggling during the debate.
Omnes Omnibus
@lamh36: So you’re saying a pair of Stan Smith’s won’t work for you either, then?
Goku (Amerikan Baka)
@Baud: @WaterGirl: @lamh36:
From the Guardian, yesterday. Money quote:
Kathleen
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Perfect. Higher & Higher is one of the most perfect records every produced.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@lamh36: here’s hoping she just pissed off the LePage voters
Peale
@lamh36: Exactly. They are fucking Senators. We can’t do much to make the laws. If they don’t really want to enact anything we want, our voters will stop voting. They did it before.
smedley the uncertain
@Dorothy A. Winsor: Voted to day in WNY and of the 30 or so in line, all were masked. No cops in sight and the voter patrol types were notable by their absence. Voted in less than half an hour.
different-church-lady
@lamh36:
CHARLIE BROWN: “Lucy, we need to change this up a bit. This time I’ll hold the football, and then I’ll pull it away from myself when I try to kick it. Agreed?”
NotMax
Kathleen
The Shmegegi Sisters.
:)
Delk
Ugh. Just saw that South Dakota tourism ad that Kristi Noem spent 25 million of her state’s pandemic money on.
ETA sentence correction
Kathleen
@Aleta: LOVE. THOSE. SONGS.
Kay
@Matt McIrvin:
we need to make plans to shut this motherfucking country down. Agreed:
I think Biden is far enough ahead in WI, MI and PA to keep it away from the Donald Trump justices, but if they get it they will throw it to Trump. Just repulsively corrupt.
Steeplejack
“Senate Confirms Barrett to Supreme Court.”
Kathleen
@Overland: OHHHHHH THANK YOU!!! So perfect.! Miss TBOGG.
japa21
@Goku (Amerikan Baka): I don’t see many Dems voting for Trump, but I am pretty sure 10% or so of Repubs will vote for Biden. So just stating categories is only part of the equation.
Goku (Amerikan Baka)
@lamh36:
The Conservative justices just painted targets on their backs. I hope it was worth it for them
However, can’t those voters simply show up on Election Day?
different-church-lady
Allow me to point out the obvious: in any previous presidency, demands for resignation would be falling out of the sky if anyone in their administration said something ten times less offensive than what Kushner said today.
Matt McIrvin
@Kay: I’ve been seeing some discussion of the theory that they’ll just nullify the result in WI, MI and PA regardless of the margin, even if Biden wins them by 10%. Claim something vague about fraudulent mail votes, then the state legislatures just vote (illegally and extralegally) to throw all their constituents’ votes out and nominate their own electors, and then Trump somehow appeals to SCOTUS to force Congress to certify these electors.
There are a lot of missing steps there, though, and it’s hard to believe that it wouldn’t lead to action that would make the George Floyd protests look like a minor tiff.
Kathleen
@NotMax: Perfect. Ennui ensues.
Crashman06
@Kay: Ugh. I was feeling good about things yesterday but definitely feeling the despair now.
Kay
@Matt McIrvin:
I think you’d need sustained mass protests if the Trump justices threw it to him, like you see in countries where they’re rejecting a regime and I just don’t know if we’re up to that here. For one thing it’s so big. You’d need masses sustained over weeks in every large city.
James E Powell
@lamh36:
We can survive a conservative court; we’ve had that for years. What we cannot afford is this radical right-wing court.
Hoppie
@Kent: I already dislike two really old people running against each other (although I would support Methuselah against Rump), I REALLY want our ticket to have a little age variance. And also expect Joe to hand off to Kamala for ’24, the best way to give us at least twelve years to fix things. AND would not be surprised to see a reinvented conservative party – yeah, I know, hyper-optimistic.
Baud
@Matt McIrvin:
The new Congress declares the winners. If it’s the Dems in control, they’ll ignore the courts and decide which electors to accept.
Kay
@Crashman06:
I don’t think it’s going to be close to 270. After that I don’t know but after that it doesn’t matter. We better hope not.
Matt McIrvin
Well, the first step in that story is that the state legislatures in these states have to rebel against their own state laws and their own constituents. The first counter-movement would likely be in those states.
raven
Jesus, down the fucking rathole again tonight
Kay
@Matt McIrvin:
Well if that’s the case then it’s a coup and nothing we did was going to matter anyway and we were just waiting to try mass protests. If that’s the case then the election simply didn’t matter, ever.
Baud
“Mitch Mcconnell is not a force for good in our democracy.”
Nancy Pelosi just now on Chris Hayes.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@lamh36:
We’re way past Roe v Wade at this point, Murkowski. Not that it’s unimportant, because it’s not, but this bullshit with rejecting extended balloting counting times by SCOTUS is an existential threat to liberal democracy
Crashman06
@Kay: This is all way too much for me tonight. Clearing out.
japa21
@raven: Welcome to BJ, the harbinger of all dooms.
Kay
@Matt McIrvin:
All of my worst case scenarios involve tiny winning margins. If the people putting these scenarios out believe the SCOTUS will throw out a 10 point Biden win then there’s no point in holding an election at all.
Matt McIrvin
@Kay: You need the vote to establish legitimacy. Without that, without the ability to say that a clear win was overturned by a coup, the protest/revolutionary movement afterward doesn’t have nearly as much moral force.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Matt McIrvin:
In the event of that occurring, some really bad things would need doing.
Just sayin’.
Suzanne
@Kay: Damn. Damn. They just have nothing filling the hole where principles and morality should be.
Fuck these people, and their enables, and their voters.
I love happy Kamala. Makes the shiv even more satisfying.
raven
@Matt McIrvin: If the shit comes down moral isn’t the kind of force that will matter.
Ksmiami
@Matt McIrvin: Yep…. spread Covid to the entire GOP and watch them fall
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Kay:
They laugh at protests.
Mass violence reaching their puffy, pasty, giggling selves at home, however, would become fair play.
raven
@Kay: You mean the people who are discussing theories?
NotMax
@japa21
B-J Monty Hall: “Which would you like choose? Doom number 1? Or Doom number 2? Or Doom number 3?”
:)
HRA
It took quite a while to access this site and this spot.
Trump can have the 2nd WH spreader at 9 tonight. The vote was 52 to 48. We have to take the Senate away from the vultures.
I am all for packing the court now.
Back to work on annoying others online.
Matt McIrvin
@raven: It does though! There’s actual historical evidence of that. Heck, look at Belarus right now. The mass feeling that the people were rooked does matter.
Suzanne
@Goku (Amerikan Baka): I’m a bad enough person that….. shrug.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Baud:
I thought that was only a formality or something? I remember proposing that Congress just refuse to certify the election if it’s obviously corrupted
raven
@Matt McIrvin: rosta ruck
J R in WV
@Baud:
OMG that’s so perfect.
We voted this afternoon, I had hoped it would make me feel better, but there were a lot of Trump signs driving to the court house. Plus an older guy bragging on being 76 who hoped President Trump would be re-elected to save America.
Save us from what? Trump? I told him as much, at least he went away!
This helps!! Someone said you could bottle Joe Biden as blood pressure medication, and that is correct.
Thanks!
Kay
@Matt McIrvin:
I’m just not willing to entertain voiding 10 point wins. I think the risk of the Trump justices throwing it to Trump requires a Bush v Gore-like close result, and a result like that is a disaster akin to losing anyway.
Baud
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
It usually is a formality. Doesn’t have to be if there is fuckery afoot.
Peale
@Kay: Yep. I really will not be impressed with the Senate if they refuse to take up court expansion. If their plans rely on winning every election going forward by 10 points nationally, but they need to win by 14 in PA, WI and MI in order for the Supreme Court to count it as valid, they really aren’t much of a party if they go along with that.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@raven:
We have no choice if it’s stolen. It’s either that, or meekly accept a GOP dictatorship.
“Better to die on your feet, than live on your knees.”
Omnes Omnibus
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): The decision does not stop the counting of ballots on November 3. It says that ballots that are not received by November 3 will not be counted. That is a huge difference. It’s enough before the election that people who have not yet mailed their absentee ballots have notice of the decision and can have a chance to drop them off at a dropbox. This is by no means a good decision, but it is not the absolute disaster some are portraying it as.
raven
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Talk is cheap.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Baud:
By the same token, couldn’t Trump and the Republicans just ignore the refusal to certify? “Sore losers”, is what they’d say and simply move on to the inauguration? Does certification have the force of law?
ETA: NVM. It may not matter as Omnes indicates. Still, it’s a bullshit decision that makes our jobs harder
Omnes Omnibus
@Kay: I agree with this take. It has to be close enough to steal, or they are done.
mrmoshpotato
@Baud: LOL!
Dorothy A. Winsor
Yay! My ballot is now listed as returned and under review.
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
Me three.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I’ve been deeply skeptical of court reform’s chances because of people like Angus King and Tom Carper, but King said yesterday the Barrett gambit might push him to it, and Carper is open to filibuster reform
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Omnes Omnibus:
Thank you. Does that mean people who’s ballots that are not received in time will still be able to vote in person? Voting provisionally?
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
Somebody needs to send Susan Sarandon a congratulatory note.
Also, is anybody on Rose Twitter apologizing for saying “don’t shame me about the Supreme Court! My vote is MINE, and must be earned…”
Matt McIrvin
@Omnes Omnibus: Zandar’s now speculating on Twitter that “close enough to steal” is “less than 300 electoral votes”. Don’t know what the exact basis for that is; probably the idea that MI, WI and PA can all just be flipped to Trump at will.
Baud
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
A large part of it will depend on our Senate margins.
gwangung
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Folks had better start writing to their Democratic senators NOW.
lamh36
@Kay: Right they need it to be close, cause here’s the thing though, the GOP via the SCOTUS tries to steal this election for Chump, this ain’t the same times as Bush vs Gore…this fuq’n country will erupt.
If Dems flip the Senate and wins the White House it time to PLAY FUQ’N HARDBALL! EXPAND THE COURTS. I don’t care if we lose seats in the midterms (I don’t think we would BTW)…there is NO WAY Black and Brown folks can survive 4 damn years of a RADICAL Conseravative majority on the court…and Dem pols NEED to make sure they do shit about this!
If ya gotta get rid of Feinstein so be it. McConnell is decaying as we speak. If he gets re-elected, kneecap him before the disease he got kills him
Kay
Just as an aside, Kavanaugh is a dope. A dummy. Another Right winger who doesn’t know how voting works. There’s nothing “suspicious” about counting mailed ballots when they come in. It’s completely ordinary to continue to count later-arriving ballots.
I swear to fucking God any random poll worker knows more about election administration than these people. They’re like some kind of coddled, insulated royalty.
Expand the court and also lose the lifetime tenure. Rotate these people out every 18 years. At least then we can rid ourselves of the stupid ones.
Peale
@Kay: That’s probably the best case scenario. Biden gets over 300 EVs and the GOP can whittle it down to 272. But again that stands. If they whittle and the Senate decides to dither afterwards, they really don’t belong in charge.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Omnes Omnibus:
@Baud:
I think agree with you now. Let’s just hope it’s not close and try to GOTV
Matt McIrvin
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Hell yes it does, it’s in the explicit text of the Constitution. Which is important because the military, for instance, cares about that.
Of course, SCOTUS could just proclaim that up is down and the Constitution says Trump wins, but I suspect our concepts of judicial review have limits.
zhena gogolia
@different-church-lady:
What did he say?
lamh36
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Kay:
What do you think about the Ohio state Supreme Court races, Kay? It would be nice to add at least one more Dem to the Court on top of our gains in 2018. That was one of the few bright spots in Ohio for the midterms
Kay
@lamh36:
I think it will erupt if it’s close with or without the courts. “Close” is a disaster. Not the worst disaster, which would be a court throwing it to Trump, but a lesser disaster.
I don’t think it’s going to be close though. I think he’ll get to 270 relatively easily.
Matt McIrvin
@lamh36: In Bush v. Gore, Congress just rolled over, because Gore had conceded by that point for the sake of national comity, the legitimacy of institutions, etc. etc.
I do not foresee that happening in these scenarios.
Kay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
I’ m really optimistic about it. Brunner is a good judge and a good candidate. Now there’s one who really knows election administration.
There used to be this thing in Ohio Dem politics that female judges were favored- the theory was people thought they were “more fair” but I’ve never been able to find anything real to back it up.
zhena gogolia
@different-church-lady:
Never mind, I found it. Vomit.
WaterGirl
@Kay: I assume your “he” is Biden?
Omnes Omnibus
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): If you haven’t mailed it, you can take it to your polling place on Election Day and turn it in. That’s what I did in April when I received my ballot the day before election day. I would recommend that anyone in WI with an absentee ballot who has not yet mailed it in either hand carry it to a drop off location or go to the polls with it on election day.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@zhena gogolia:
and that $10M doesn’t include the $2M Grey Bar Charlie had to bribe Fair Harvard with to get Jared in
schrodingers_cat
Twitter is going apocalyptic with doomsday scenarios. I have had a long day. One more week to go.
Baud
@Matt McIrvin:
The GOP controlled Congress at the time.
raven
@schrodingers_cat: Twitter, what about here??
Baud
@Kay:
If it ends up like the polls suggest, voters will have really stood up for their country. Four years too late, but better than never.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Baud: The early voting tracking site I’ve been obsessively watching doesn’t have a party breakdown for TX, so they aren’t officially releasing that information. Must be base on polls?
If it will make you feel better, Florida is running 43% Democratic, 37% Republican, and 20% unaffiiliated.
debbie
@Kay:
They’ve started some really negative advertising against Bruner. Something about overturning a coach-predator’s guilty verdict.
Mary G
Will you people knock off the doom and gloom, puh-leez? Half these theories are straight from Moscow designed to make us depressed and give up. Get your asses over to Mobilize where you can find virtual phone banks, or in person (distanced) events (like literature drops) in your local area. Knock off the whining and start fighting. It’s not over just because you voted. Beat the bushes in your contact list and make sure all your friends have voted. Anything. I’ve been off Balloon Juice most of the day and am leaving again now, before I really get mean.
Omnes Omnibus
@debbie: It’s Brunner.
Kay
@WaterGirl:
It is. Biden is ahead in every state he needs and then some. If it’s a polling error then the same error is showing up in all the House polling and in all the Trump states. Trump is down everywhere. He’s still going to win states like West Virginia and Missouri, but he will win them by less and the margin is consistent across states, so, for example, if Trump won Michigan by 1 and West Virginia by 30 he’s at -9 and 20.
HumboldtBlue
@lamh36:
She, Gorsuch and drunk boy all proved that by accepting nominations from Trump.
schrodingers_cat
@raven: I just checked in. I haven’t read the threads.
Omnes Omnibus
Is the site slow loading for anyone else? Any refreshes or comments take over a minute to process.
Baud
@Mary G:
We’ve settled on the view that a blowout win solves many problems.
NotMax
@Baud
Putting aside that it ought never have been accepted as being within the high court’s purview to begin with,
1) It contains a proviso that it has no application as precedent (thus cannot be judicially cited as such, AFAIK).
2) To put a finer point on it, it did not disqualify nor did it throw out votes, nor did it truncate the initial counting and the released count, it halted a recounting process.
(Mandatory IANAL caveat.)
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
Been bad all day.
Benw
It looks to me like everyone not in the cult is determined to vote him out. People are showing up; I think it’ll be a historic popular vote Biden win that the EC will smooth out somewhat, but Biden will be a clear winner. I don’t think Gorsuch or Roberts want any part of fucking with that action
raven
@Omnes Omnibus: yea, it’s borked
NotMax
@Omnes Omnibus
Yup. Mucho pokey.
Mary G
@Omnes Omnibus: Yes, the little circle is spinning a long time for me too.
I’ve been off Twitter all day today too, and based on what I’ve seen here I won’t spend much time on there either, but here’s some motivation from these motherfuckers:
If I had Mitch McConnell in front of me right now, I would do something that would get me arrested, and it would be sort of worth it.
Kay
@debbie:
That’s good news! They’re afraid she’s going to win. You could go thru any judges decisions and find them “releasing a predator”. Prosecutors and police have to follow the rules and trial judges do too. These are not “technicalities”. If they don’t follow the rules convictions get over-turned, as they should.
Baud
@NotMax: You are correct. Although if we ever capture the Court, I would like to see liberal justices use it as precedent to expand voting rights and strike down voter suppression laws.
HumboldtBlue
@Omnes Omnibus:
Yes
lamh36
@raven: IDK…I see more righteous anger on here and not so much apocalyptic, just realistically gaming out the ramifications.
What done is done…she is on the court now. The first thing to do is VOTE THEM FUQ’ERS OUT, but they should also be discussion just WTF can we to to mitigate the fuq’n damage that is alreayd being done.
MomSense
Just came home from a walk in cold rain to the news. Fuck Mitch
debbie
@Omnes Omnibus:
Yeah, I saw my typo, but the edit button had disappeared.
Kay
@Mary G:
It’s bad for Barrett’s already questionable legitimacy that they’re doing this, but she is apparently incapable of standing up to Donald Trump so she’s allowed them to turn this into a campaign rally.
Doesn’t bode well for her independence. They can spare me all this bullshit about her “humility” from now on. This two week victory lap isn’t humble.
NotMax
@Mary G
We need a variation of the classic short, only this time Chicken Little Meets Godzilla.
:)
Chetan Murthy
@Mary G:
Death by woodchipper, eh? Yeah, I feel you. I have to say, the closer we get to the election, the more angry I get, at former-friend Trumpists. The more I want to write them incredibly vitriolic letters, telling them just what I think of them, what I think they ought to do, etc, etc.
But I don’t do it, b/c maybe, hey, they’ve recanted. And I wouldn’t want to screw that up. But goddammit, the ones who haven’t, if they were lying by the side of the road, gravely wounded, I’d fuckin’ drive on. Goddammit, I’m so angry these days. So goddamn angry.
schrodingers_cat
I am listening to golden oldies set in the rain, 70s and earlier. COVID Barret and the Retrograde Russian party can go fuck themselves.
विनाश काले विपरीत बुद्धी
Kay
The thing about Barrett and her far Right views is, you never know. Would any of you have predicted in 2010 that every single Republican in Congress would be running as a passionate supporter of Obamacare?
She’s going to overturn Roe and that may not turn out to be the big win they’re all celebrating tonight. I don’t think they’ve given any thought at all to what comes after. My bet would be it comes back to bite them, hard.
TS (the original)
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
There is a third party somewhere that analyses the states that don’t release the party information. I read it way back on BJ but no idea of the link. They apparently are well regarded – but they are NOT based on state released information. Texas is in this group.
MisterForkbeard
@Mary G: I mean, they’re mean children. They can’t even take a win, they insist that you watch them gloat.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Omnes Omnibus:
Thanks!
@Kay:
I’m optimistic too!
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: YES.
debbie
@Kay:
It’s weird because they’re using the same kind of predator-forgiving attack against the Dem running for county prosecutor. One might almost think this was a coordinated campaign.
John Revolta
@Kay: This is one of the few times I have to disagree with you. Kavanaugh and the rest of these fascists aren’t dummies. They know exactly what they have to do and how they have to do it.
mrmoshpotato
This is excellent on many different levels.
laura
I’m betting Kamala Harris has some super solid shoe inserts to ensure her hours on her feet are manageable.
Kay
@debbie:
But you’ve seen that before. The “let the predator out” theme is a classic.
John Revolta
@Omnes Omnibus: Site is not only running slow, but I just had to re-enter my nym & etc. ??
dmsilev
@laura: She’s serious about her sneakers. So, I imagine she has that covered.
Kay
@debbie:
Jennifer Brunner is really tough. A strong person. When she was Sec of State she became Fox News’ favorite punching bag, nationally. They attacked her constantly. She never even got slightly rattled.
raven
@dmsilev:
Bad sneakers and a Piña Colada, my friend
Stompin’ on the avenue by Radio City with a
Transistor and a large sum of money to spend
Martin
She’s literally a handmaiden. Not hard to understand how she’s going to rule on things.
Dems really need to put on their big-boy pants. Don’t give an inch.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Matt McIrvin:
I think you’re right. I do remember being poohed poohed a few months back when I brought this up. It would definitely be one of the last resort tactics we would have to pull. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that
PsiFighter37
The conservatives are going to celebrate hard tonight, because this is the culmination of every dream they have had since the Warren Court. They worked 50 years and blew countless millions / billions of dollars to get to this goal.
Fucking end it next year early and pack the court, full stop. Mitch McConnell gets his rocks off on erasing Obama’s accomplishments; erase his worthless little life’s goal of endless power in one fell stroke. I am sure Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi would be thrilled to oblige.
Martin
Send him my way. I have a fire handy.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus:
Very slow for me the last hour.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@PsiFighter37:
This.
Kay
@Martin:
She’s not a handmaiden in that story! The handmaidens are the women who are ruled by women by Barrett. She’s Serena Joy in that story :)
If she was a HANDMAIDEN we would be on her side! We like them!
NotMax
@PsiFighter37
Much, much prefer to refer to it as expanding the court, but (sigh) packing seems to have taken root.
John Revolta
@Kay: “Mayor Quimby even released Sideshow Bob, a man twice convicted of attempted murder. Can you trust a man like Mayor Quimby? Vote Sideshow Bob for Mayor!”
zhena gogolia
@mrmoshpotato:
Love it.
Lapassionara
There was a really interesting thread on Twitter today about Chile, and the recent vote to change their constitution. In the early 1970’s, they elected Allende, but the US was not happy about that, and staged a coup to put in Pinochet instead. This was in 1973 during the Nixon administration. What followed was horror after horror. People disappeared, dropped from airplanes, and the like. This lasted for years, but now there are signs of hope. I hope we will be as brave as the Chileans, if we need to be.
PsiFighter37
@NotMax: Pack it, jam it, stuff it down the fucking Republican’s throats. I don’t give a fuck about semantics. They have shredded norms year by year. I am fine taking this bullshit 160 year-old convention and throwing it in the biggest fucking bonfire possible.
Win big in November so they cannot steal it, then fucking turn this country into the goddamn liberal paradise that conservatives see in their fever dreams.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Kay:
I think Martin is referring to how she was a handmaiden in some weirdo Christian group
Kay
@John Revolta:
It’s like prosecutors with “I have a 99% conviction rate”. Of course you do. You choose which cases to bring. I would have a 99% win rate too if I shelved all the losers!
zhena gogolia
@PsiFighter37:
I hope we can.
There go two miscreants
@Omnes Omnibus: slow loading
A bit slower than normal, I think, but not that bad — refresh about 5 sec. FF on Win10 with FIOS Internet.
Kay
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
People of Praise. I read their school site when I found out she’s on the board at the school where they kick out the children of unmarried parents. That seems kind of mean, doesn’t it? They’re proud of that?
schrodingers_cat
@Steeplejack: I saw your reply to my RAM question. Thanks. That is my project for my Thanksgiving break.
NotMax
@zhena gogolia
OT.
Have been on the lookout for your nym. Recall you have a soft spot for lush period pieces. Noticed that The Golden Coach is available on Prime.
Jean Renoir dialed his Renoirishness up to 11½, howbeit real purty to look at.
zhena gogolia
@NotMax:
I’ll check it out.
mrmoshpotato
GOOD JOB, MOTHERFUCKERS! WE STILL HAVE 8 DAYS LEFT OF SETTING FIRE TO YOUR FASCIST SHITPILE THAT YOU CALL A POLITICAL PARTY IN A DEMOCRACY!
Suzanne
@Kay:
Or it goes back to the states, and all but the absolute backwaters become…. mysteriously devoid of adult women, just like they are already devoid of people with brains and ambition. And those states will get boycotted and become even poorer relative to other states.
One REALLY striking thing I have come to notice is that social conservatives never think of themselves on the receiving end of anything that they inflict on other people. They’re currently all blahblahblah about “cancel culture”, but they have only themselves to blame for that, since they spent years canceling any atheists they could find. Rod Dreher is currently kvetching about a “social credit system” that the big bad left supposedly will user in under President Biden, but will vociferously defend some cake baker who wants to turn away Teh Gheyz, and he legitimately does not see the logical chasm there. They don’t have any first principles. They don’t give a shit about genuine free speech. They just have a cultural memory of being popular in American culture and it just eats at them that they are not. If they’re so worried about their liberties, they could have fought for others’…. but they didn’t speak up for the LGBTs, or the poor, or women…. and then there will be no one left to speak up for them.
Matt McIrvin
@Lapassionara:
There’s been a fashion on the asshole-fash right for joking about giving people they don’t like “helicopter rides”, openly inspired by this.
Suzanne
@Kay: Social conservatives are not good people. They are cruel, vindictive, and just as addicted to power politics as the people they hate.
Mary G
@Martin: The fires finally made it to the OC. Is your home in any danger? I know they evacuated some of Irvine and I saw the people at the Nixon library hosing down his tiny little birthplace because of the other fire.
Steeplejack
@schrodingers_cat:
I hope the RAM thing works out. That thread irritated me a bit, to the point that I checked to see what I need to increase the RAM in my own computer. Back-burner project that has never made it to the front burner. Maybe I’ll do it over Thanksgiving!
Matt McIrvin
@Suzanne:
Just like they imagine that if they can shut down all procedural avenues for peacefully removing them from power… they just win, forever. And if people then start behaving un-peacefully, they go on about law and order and don’t make the connection.
Mary G
@Kay: She’s Aunt Lydia. I just watched her taking the oath, and a more smug, self-satisfied expression on someone’s face I have rarely seen.
Bill Arnold
@Kay:
Thanks for that link. Irrelevant if it’s a Biden landslide (make it so!), but this is interesting in the bad sense.
Amy Coney Barrett’s First Votes Could Throw the Election to Trump – A sinister argument from Bush v. Gore returns with a vengeance. (Mark Joseph Stern, Oct 26, 2020)
IANAL. Is it saying the Supreme Court (well, Reinquist, Thomas, Scalia) asserted their right to interpret the intent of a State’s legislature overriding the State’s Supreme Court, even if the legislature involved isn’t contesting the State Supreme Court ruling? And that Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and soon Barrett agree?
Is that as huge a power grab by the US Supreme Court as it sounds?
Suzanne
@Matt McIrvin: AND THEN they wonder why no one wants to join their churches! Hint: it’s because most of us don’t want to hang out with terrible people.
mrmoshpotato
@Mary G: All the more reason to avoid any video of it. Thanks for the warning.
J R in WV
@Kay:
They used it on Dukakis a long time ago. Worked, too.
“What would you do if it was YOUR WIFE who was raped, Mr Dukakis?” Bastards!
Brachiator
@Kay:
Depends on how angry the Democrats and the people become, and what they are willing to do with their anger.
Oh, the shark, babe, has such teeth, dear
And it shows them pearly white
Just a jackknife has old MacHeath, babe
And he keeps it, ah, out of sight
You know when that shark bites with his teeth, babe
Scarlet billows start to spread
Fancy gloves, oh, wears old MacHeath, babe
So there’s never, never a trace of red
J R in WV
@Kay:
Kids with Gay parents not accepted AT ALL ~!!!!~
Dan B
@NotMax: I also like balancing the court. It explains that the court is out of balance hence the need to get it back in balance.
opiejeanne
@gwangung:
This made me laugh!
Bill Arnold
@Brachiator:
They believe that they are dealing with a toothless shark. They are very wrong.
Matt McIrvin
@schrodingers_cat: Part of the point of talking about this stuff is to make it clear that we’re on to them, let them know there’s a real cost if they try it. Bush v. Gore was a surprise. 2016 was a surprise. We can’t let them take us by surprise.
Brachiator
@different-church-lady:
BTW I understand that Apple TV has snapped up the Charlie Brown specials. They will be available for free for a short time, and then…
Dan B
@Suzanne: Thanks. As a lifelong gay man with many LGBTQ friends who lived through the Reagan “never say AIDS” years as dozens of friends and some lovers died I feel a steady sense of dread at this 6-3 court. In addition to Roe will we see reductions in the rights of women who are abused by their husbands?
I know it’s a political position for Joe to not appear radical but a 180 day bipartisan commission to decide what to do about the court means half a year of terror and dread for women and minorities. And does bipartisan mean we get a wishy washy solution? I’m ready to stand with minorities to tell Joe to light a fire. We’ve had four years of trying to keep up our spirits. We’re tired and angry.
philostopher
@Goku (Amerikan Baka):
In many states – including the one you and I both live in – if you’ve requested an absentee ballot that you don’t intend to submit, you’re required to vote on a provisional ballot on Election Day. In most elections, the provisional ballots are never counted – might as well assume a provisional ballot won’t be counted this year. That’s the problem. We dropped ours off a few days after we received it – it’s been verified and queued for count, so I’m not worried. Anybody who mailed one back after yesterday is taking a chance on it arriving after Election Day, which basically means they don’t get to vote and have it counted.
Sally
@Suzanne: They really are the Leopards Eating Faces Party. Really. No one will howl louder when THEY can’t access contraceptives, “d&c’s”, social security, etc. They think they will still be treated differently because, yes, they are the “virtuous voters”. But they won’t be treated differently unless they are obscenely wealthy. Who will always be treated differently. Sadly.
Suzanne
@Dan B: Seriously. Burn it the fuck down, Joe.
2liberal
so what’s the deal with noonan and alcohol? everytime i see her name it’s associated with drinking. is there some actual reason for this? I googled it and checked her wikipedia page but don’t see anything relevant.
Suzanne
@Sally: They really, really are. They’re now complaining about Big Business having too much power over their lives, and how it’s TOTALITARIANISM!!! if they have to go to diversity training or feel like they can’t express their political views at work. But who fucken entered into coalition with neoconservatives who wanted to weaken unions and have Right to Work laws?! They were allllllll about it, when they had more friends. Intellectually dishonest and absolutely shameful.
Omnes Omnibus
A point of pedantry. That’s not who the neocons are. Neocons mostly couldn’t give a flying fuck about domestic policy as long as their fairly bellicose foreign policy goals are being pursued.
ETA: A whole bunch of neocons are now Never Trumpers like Jan Rubin and Bill Kristol.
Misterpuff
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Claire rubbed Progressives raw with her habit of hippie punching (which she needed to do to assure her constituents that she hadn’t been assimilated by said hippie BORG but she seemed happy to do so). Now she doesn’t need to punch hippies, so she doesn’t and she can espouse some more modern sensibilities. I’ll accept it.