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You are here: Home / Past Elections / 2020 Elections / Biden-Harris 2020 / Monday Morning Open Thread: Go, Go, GOTV!

Monday Morning Open Thread: Go, Go, GOTV!

by Anne Laurie|  October 26, 20207:28 am| 143 Comments

This post is in: Biden-Harris 2020, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat

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After months of competing against each other in the primary, @EWarren, @PeteButtigieg, @CoryBooker, @JulianCastro, @AmyKlobuchar, and I know each other pretty well. Watch them break down the latest presidential debate: pic.twitter.com/lCrIBEgQfk

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) October 25, 2020


 
And one more (only two tweets above the fold, cuz the BJ website hamsters have been struggling!), from commentor TXSwede:

John Cornyn lies when he says he cares about your healthcare. Time and time again he's buddied up with insurance and drug companies only caring about his own self interests. Cornyn is bad for Texas and bad for America. Time for @MJHegar to take his place in the US Senate! #TXsen pic.twitter.com/PunOmIN7cB

— VoteVets (Text VOTEVETS to 88424) (@votevets) October 23, 2020

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  1. 1.

    debbie

    October 26, 2020 at 7:32 am

    And now GA Dem voters are getting fake voter guides which list GOP candidates as the Dem choice. This kind of fraud needs to be high on Joe’s list of things needing to be fixed

    When I googled for a link, it seems to be happening in multiple states.  ?

  2. 2.

    WereBear

    October 26, 2020 at 7:39 am

    @debbie: I’m starting to think those 10,000 lawyers on call won’t be enough…

  3. 3.

    debbie

    October 26, 2020 at 7:44 am

    @WereBear: 

    I’m with you there.

  4. 4.

    Baud

    October 26, 2020 at 7:47 am

    Biden flips script on Trump in campaign’s final week

  5. 5.

    Nicole

    October 26, 2020 at 7:49 am

    In line to vote now. We got in line about an hour ago, and are finally about to enter the building.

  6. 6.

    satby

    October 26, 2020 at 7:49 am

    @debbie: It doesn’t help that a lot of candidates in lower races don’t identify what party they’re running with. I hate that, but it doesn’t matter, because in the voting booth I can just go down the ticket and vote for the Dems whether I got junk mail from them or not.

  7. 7.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 26, 2020 at 7:49 am

    In hard fought elections, there is almost always skullduggery and other shenanigans. There is always someone somewhere who is not only willing but wanting to cheat. Most times they have minimal effect.

  8. 8.

    debbie

    October 26, 2020 at 7:52 am

    @satby: 
    When I voted early in person, there was lots of Democrats handing out sample ballots and urging people to vote the entire ticket, including judges.

  9. 9.

    Baud

    October 26, 2020 at 7:52 am

    Good.  This guy is scum.

    Democrats already angling to take out Ron Johnson in 2022

     

    Tom Nelson, a county executive, announced his campaign Monday, arguing Johnson’s unapologetic embrace of President Donald Trump will cost him if he seeks reelection in Wisconsin.

  10. 10.

    debbie

    October 26, 2020 at 7:53 am

    @Baud:

    I know it’s Politico, but “jarring”?

  11. 11.

    rikyrah

    October 26, 2020 at 7:54 am

    Good Morning, Everyone ???

  12. 12.

    Baud

    October 26, 2020 at 7:54 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

  13. 13.

    Kristine

    October 26, 2020 at 7:56 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning ☀️!

  14. 14.

    Baud

    October 26, 2020 at 7:57 am

    Black Americans flock to the polls for what many say is the most important election of their lives

  15. 15.

    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?

    October 26, 2020 at 7:58 am

    One message I wish the Dems would hammer on harder is Trump’s threat to Social Security’s funding. Biden touched on it in the debate but that is literally the only time I’ve heard it mentioned during the campaign. It’s a huge motivator for our side and a big wedge issue for them. Even the Trumpiest folks on my FB feed love Social Security. Put it in their minds that Trump may double cross them on Social Security funding and maybe a few stay home rather than risk their retirement security.

  16. 16.

    Mousebumples

    October 26, 2020 at 7:59 am

    @Baud: I didn’t realize Nelson was a former State Assembly Leader. He has daily COVID video updates on Twitter. He’s in my area, so I sometimes watch them.

    But, yeah, beating Johnson is definitely on my to do list for 2022. He claimed 4 years ago that he wouldn’t run for reelection again so.. We’ll see if he elects to retire or something.

  17. 17.

    NotMax

    October 26, 2020 at 8:01 am

    Have been holding this in stasis in hope of bringing it to the attention of Major⁴ as it would seem to be in his wheelhouse. However time is getting shorter and haven’t seen him around of late, plus there are others here involved in game design, so notice of a three day virtual conference in November which mayhaps could pique some interest among that cohort.

  18. 18.

    Betty Cracker

    October 26, 2020 at 8:04 am

    @What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?: The Biden campaign and/or affiliated PACs are running a lot of ads about this in Florida. We’ve also seen at least one big, glossy mailer on this issue.

  19. 19.

    Kay

    October 26, 2020 at 8:05 am

    @Baud:

    With Trump at risk on so many varied fronts, there is no single, obvious place for him to go to stanch the bleeding. Instead, he is seeking to prop up his base in as many states as possible, while Republicans hope unfavorable polls and turnout models are off, just as in 2016.

    So true. Let’s just look at the south. Florida, obviously, but it’s not just Florida. He needs NC and GA too.
    The people who are looking at Georgia have a good benchmark, too. They have Abrams so they look at this:

    Ossoff and Biden are outrunning Abrams by 10-11% with whites.

  20. 20.

    Baud

    October 26, 2020 at 8:11 am

    Democrats target districts in Trump territory as party grows optimistic about expanding House majority

  21. 21.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 26, 2020 at 8:12 am

    @Baud:

    Incumbent presidents have only been denied reelection two times in the post-World War II era — the last to lose was George H.W. Bush in 1992.

    A small point, but three incumbents, not two, have been denied reelection since WWII: Ford in 1976, Carter in 1980, and Bush in 1992.

    It feels churlish to go after the Politico writers for something this (relatively) minor, but when obvious, easily checked errors are allowed to stand, I’m distracted from the gist of the article by wondering what other, less-obvious errors lurk within. The whole thing turns into a proofreading, copy-editing exercise for me instead of reading for information and insight.

  22. 22.

    Mousebumples

    October 26, 2020 at 8:15 am

    @Kay: I’ve been following LeanTossup too. They seem like the NowCast of polling, which i appreciate, since 538 seems to have a major fudge factor in place this year.

    My husband and i have made a friendly wager over Georgia. If Biden wins it (which he should), he’ll make my dinner or dessert of choice. (and vice versa if Trump wins).

    Here’s hoping (and working!) for a landslide. *starts humming some Fleetwood Mac

  23. 23.

    Humanities Prof

    October 26, 2020 at 8:16 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: 
    I think the argument against including Ford here is the use of the word “re-elected,” since Ford wasn’t elected in the first place.

    This is a common distinction in the political science community. In the last 100+ years, there are three first-term _elected_ Presidents who were not re-elected–Hoover, Carter, and Bush the Elder.

  24. 24.

    Matt McIrvin

    October 26, 2020 at 8:17 am

    @Baud: Seems like the story flogged by political media is shifting from “exciting horse race” to “exciting blowout”, which is… not a bad sign.

  25. 25.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 26, 2020 at 8:17 am

    @Humanities Prof:

    Fair point.

  26. 26.

    Kristine

    October 26, 2020 at 8:18 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: wonder if they don’t count Ford because he wasn’t elected to the presidency the first time

    and I see the comment was already made. Not fast enough, me.

  27. 27.

    danielx

    October 26, 2020 at 8:20 am

    Spousal unit watching news in another room…overheard Trump blathering something to the effect that “Democrats are the shutdown party!”. I cannot express how much I look forward to not hearing or seeing that braying ass again, unless in response to a judge asking if he has anything to say before sentencing.

  28. 28.

    Matt McIrvin

    October 26, 2020 at 8:20 am

    @satby: “Non-partisan” local elections are one of the many ways communities try to suppress the vote–not necessarily for partisan advantage but to benefit incumbents and machines. You need to have a lot of tacit knowledge to get in and make a difference.

  29. 29.

    Kay

    October 26, 2020 at 8:23 am

    @Mousebumples:

    I like 538 too, and Nate Cohn. I just take them all together. I like LeanTossup because they’re willing to take a risk and say something definitive. The others have gotten to the point were it’s “they might win, they might not!”. They’re just not confident enough in their own work for me. Too much ass covering.

  30. 30.

    Geminid

    October 26, 2020 at 8:24 am

    I read in The Houston Chronicle that Kamala Harris is headed for Texas Friday. Campaign sources told the paper that there will be a stop in Houston, although the complete itinerary has not been made public.

  31. 31.

    Kay

    October 26, 2020 at 8:27 am

    One of the horrible Trump sons is going to Wood County, Ohio today. Wood County is the swing county in Ohio, so they’re not confident in Ohio either. Trump himself would go except he has 7 other states to defend :)

  32. 32.

    Immanentize

    October 26, 2020 at 8:28 am

    @Kay: 
    You say Georgia, I say Texas (also Lean/Tossup)

    Biden is outrunning Beto O’Rourke by 6-9% with Texas whites. Donald Trump cannot win the state if that’s the case. Notions of a red Texas propped up by low turnout are out the window – and notions that hundreds of thousands new voters, many young and non-white, are coming to save the President are laughable.

  33. 33.

    Humanities Prof

    October 26, 2020 at 8:29 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: Interesting pattern here, which I just now realized.

    During the 1800s, no Vice President who succeeded to the Presidency after the death of his predecessor won a term in his own right.  In fact, none of the Vice Presidents who succeeded to the Presidency during the 1800s were even nominated as their party’s presidential candidate.

    In the 1900s, the pattern reversed itself.  There were four successor Presidents who won re-election (T. Roosevelt, Coolidge, Truman, LBJ), and only one (Ford) who didn’t.  And that probably had a lot to do with the unique circumstances that surrounded Ford’s presidency.

  34. 34.

    Immanentize

    October 26, 2020 at 8:29 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: No, it’s not churlish!  It’s Politico after all.  Go after those gossipy louts.

  35. 35.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 26, 2020 at 8:30 am

    Watch this, ONLY if you have a strong stomach. Stupid human trick but Oh. My. Gaaaawwwd.

  36. 36.

    Kay

    October 26, 2020 at 8:31 am

    @Mousebumples:

    I like Nate Silver because he not only criticized the national media for the 2016 email coverage, he backed it up with an analysis of their insane over-focus that was and is impossible to deny, so they didn’t deny it- they just sniped at him on Twitter for a while. I appreciate him doing the extra work and risking alienating people who really could impact his career.

  37. 37.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 26, 2020 at 8:32 am

    @Immanentize: There is a pretty good chance of turning the Texas state House blue this election. If that happens…

  38. 38.

    Derelict

    October 26, 2020 at 8:32 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: 

    Ford was not elected to the presidency, and thus could not have been “re-relected.” Ford was, I believe, the only man to ever hold the office without having ever been elected to either the presidency or the vice-presidency.

  39. 39.

    Immanentize

    October 26, 2020 at 8:32 am

    @Kay: They are from Canada, no?  They do not have the same reputational/advertisement incentives.

  40. 40.

    The Oracle of Solace

    October 26, 2020 at 8:33 am

    Good morning, my esteemed homies. I see from the U.S. Elections Project that things are interesting in Dixie. Last night’s update showed that five states in the Old Confederacy are at or approaching sixty percent of their total 2016 vote. Texas leads the nation at eighty percent. The states that report partisan affiliation of early votes show a roughly 2:1 ratio in favour of the Democrats. If that can be applied to Texas, then about 4.8 million Democratic votes have been cast, exceeding Trump’s vote count in the Lone Star State. But Republicans bat last, so keep running up those numbers!

  41. 41.

    Immanentize

    October 26, 2020 at 8:34 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: If that happens — Texas state house blue — then they can get rid of extreme gerrymandering (or at least ameliorate the effects).

  42. 42.

    danielx

    October 26, 2020 at 8:35 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Am I correct that his legs went in wrong direction at the knees, that is, bent backwards?

  43. 43.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 26, 2020 at 8:35 am

    @danielx: 

    I cannot express how much I look forward to not hearing or seeing that braying ass again

    I regret to inform you that we will be hearing and seeing that braying ass until he is dead, or incapacitated by stroke. Even after his devoutly-to-be-hoped-for drubbing in the election, he will not go away, and the media which so love him will continue to do so.

  44. 44.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 26, 2020 at 8:36 am

    @Immanentize: Exactly. It’s a game changer.

  45. 45.

    Kay

    October 26, 2020 at 8:37 am

    @Immanentize:

    A couple of weeks ago I read the Trump campaigns “paths to victory” thing they gave the NYTimes. There are three. What struck me about it was not the states they listed that they had to win, but how many assumptions they started with. They START with an overly rosy picture and then add states. For example, every path to victory includes FL, NC and GA before they even get to the states they’re adding in their column.

  46. 46.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 26, 2020 at 8:37 am

    @danielx: Yes. Both of them. Tore some posterior ligaments there, gonna be in a lot of pain for a long time. I do not envy his PT.

    ETA: posterior, posterior POSTERIOR. Head? Desk.

  47. 47.

    Kay

    October 26, 2020 at 8:39 am

    @Immanentize:

    So if your three “paths to victory” all include three states that are contested and close and you simply failed to mention that, or 4 if you include Texas, then your “path to victory” looks a lot shakier.

  48. 48.

    Kristine

    October 26, 2020 at 8:40 am

    @danielx:Okay. I could only bear to watch the Joe Theisman broken leg video once, so maybe I’ll skip this one.

  49. 49.

    Amir Khalid

    October 26, 2020 at 8:41 am

    @debbie:

    Mailing such disinformation to voters has to count as election tampering, and I can’t imagine a non-laughable free speech defence for it. Is anyone talking about prosecuting these crooks?

  50. 50.

    Danielx

    October 26, 2020 at 8:41 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Hurts to think about it ?

  51. 51.

    Immanentize

    October 26, 2020 at 8:42 am

    @Kay: I dare to hope….

    ETA Steiner will not attack….

  52. 52.

    Aleta

    October 26, 2020 at 8:42 am

    NYCBoardOfElections  @BOENYC
    Early Voting Cumulative totals!! Please note this includes Day 1

    New York – 40,838
    Bronx – 30,484
    Brooklyn – 61,315
    Queens – 40,278
    Staten Island – 21,000
    Total Number 193,915

  53. 53.

    Rob

    October 26, 2020 at 8:46 am

    @debbie:  What the everloving f

    I dropped my ballot off in the nearby secure ballot box at a county building in the Maryland suburbs yesterday, after consulting the county democratic party website for guidance on some ballot questions.

  54. 54.

    Immanentize

    October 26, 2020 at 8:46 am

    @Aleta: almost 200k — banked!

  55. 55.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 26, 2020 at 8:47 am

    ‘This will make lib heads explode’: Donald Trump Jr posts 2024 picture
    In laughter, you dumb fvck.

  56. 56.

    Puddinhead

    October 26, 2020 at 8:49 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Never mind. I was slow to get to this.

  57. 57.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    October 26, 2020 at 8:50 am

    @Kay: Oh thank goodness. For a minute I misread this to refer to one of your sons. Then I realized it was Uday or Qusay you meant.

  58. 58.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 26, 2020 at 8:51 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:“Don Jr represents the emotional center of the MAGA universe,”

    I can’t stop laughing.

  59. 59.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 26, 2020 at 8:53 am

    @Humanities Prof:

    That really is fascinating, especially:

    In fact, none of the Vice Presidents who succeeded to the Presidency during the 1800s were even nominated as their party’s presidential candidate.

    I don’t at all consider myself a student of the presidency, but I feel I should have noticed this at some point in my life. Good catch!

  60. 60.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 26, 2020 at 8:53 am

    Seems Lukashenko’s “victory” isn’t going exactly as he would have hoped.

  61. 61.

    Immanentize

    October 26, 2020 at 8:55 am

    Toddler in Chief with Lesley Stahl:

    who did this https://t.co/nQYSrEfzdy— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) October 26, 2020

  62. 62.

    OzarkHillbilly

    October 26, 2020 at 8:55 am

    Jay ArnoldClapper board@jadedcreative
    THIS!!! Wait for it
    Loudly crying face
    Red heart
    Loudly crying face

    And with that gift of dust, I am leaving to pick up my granddaughter.

  63. 63.

    Ken

    October 26, 2020 at 8:55 am

    @Derelict: I was going to mention that David Rice Atchison was President for one day. But I see that it is dismissed by historians and constitutional scholars.

  64. 64.

    Immanentize

    October 26, 2020 at 9:00 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: But the party mechanisms controlled VP selection until the winning Presidential primary candidate started doing so in the 20th C. (FDR? with Truman?  Before?)

  65. 65.

    Amir Khalid

    October 26, 2020 at 9:03 am

    A video for my American friends’ amusement: Americans trying authentic Malaysian nasi lemak bungkus.

  66. 66.

    Immanentize

    October 26, 2020 at 9:04 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Thanks for the tears.  No wonder she didn’t speak the lines.  I could never have gotten through them.

  67. 67.

    PsiFighter37

    October 26, 2020 at 9:04 am

    @Aleta:  Really low IMO relative to NYC’s overall population. I have to think that the dearth of early voting locations is really depressing numbers, especially since this is the first presidential year NY has had any in-person early voting.

  68. 68.

    Wag

    October 26, 2020 at 9:05 am

    @Gin & Tonic:  Or behind bars…

  69. 69.

    Uncle Cosmo

    October 26, 2020 at 9:12 am

    @debbie: This shit has been enshrined in the standard Thuglican playbook for at least 50 years. And I can personally testify to this.

    In the 1970 MD Democratic primary, African-American Parren J. Mitchell defeated incumbent Samuel Friedel for the nomination in the 7th Congressional District. As my first venture into electoral politics I, a Johns Hopkins undergrad barely too young to vote, volunteered to help Mitchell in the general.

    I was sent with a pile of official Democratic ballots to hand them out at a lily-white polling place in south Baltimore City. When I got there I swiftly discovered that there were two other “Official Democratic Ballots” being handed out. Both had replaced Mitchell’s name with that of his Republican opponent. One of them also cut Joseph D. Tydings, the incumbent Democratic U.S. Senator up for re-election, in favor of the GOP candidate, one J. Glenn Beall.

    Parren Mitchell won in spite of the ratfuckery to become MD’s first AA Congressman. Joe Tydings fell victim to the ratfuckery and a flood of dark $$$ from Tricky Dick’s thugs.

    (What was that line from Ecclesiastes 1:9?)

    FTR another classic bit of Rethug rodent fornication to watch out for on E-Day is the late-afternoon robocall to registered Democrats who haven’t yet voted: You don’t need to go to the polls, Joe Biden has already won. Even if convincing folks to stay home doesn’t help the top of the Thug ticket (e.g., in a state like MD, in spite of enclaves with more DINOs than Jurassisgrassic Park – I grew up in one), the tactic can depress Democratic turnout enough to sneak some Thugs through in the downballot races.

    NB Anyone who hears of this chicanery on E-Day needs to report it to the local Democratic HQ ASAP. When the bastards tried it in MD in 2010 (when my good friend Martin O’Malley was up for re-election against the Thug he bounced out of the Governorship 4 years earlier) the Dems got wind of it quickly & called those people back with a message from Elijah Cummings (RIP) to tell them they dang well needed to get out & vote, and the tactic failed miserably.

  70. 70.

    jonas

    October 26, 2020 at 9:14 am

    @debbie: This kind of fraud needs to be high on Joe’s list of things needing to be fixed

    Normally state SOS offices and LEAs would be on top of this sort of thing. But Georgia? Whoever’s doing it is probably *coordinating* with the SOS. I agree Biden and a Dem Congress need to put teeth back into the VRA, but unfortunately Trump’s new SCOTUS will almost certainly give states veerrrrrrrrry wide berth to decide what “rights” are and who is a “voter.” Ultimately there simply needs to be a constitutional amendment guaranteeing the right to vote, and the principle of one-person, one-vote. As long as one of our two major parties remains anti-voting, however, that’s also going to be a heavy lift.

  71. 71.

    Humanities Prof

    October 26, 2020 at 9:14 am

    @Kay: Is there any sense of what’s happening with Joel O’Dorisio’s campaign for State Senate? I know he was one of a handful of candidates the state Democratic Party was trying to boost in an effort to break up the Republican supermajority.

    [Edited to clarify that O’Dorisio is the Democratic challenger here.]

  72. 72.

    Matt McIrvin

    October 26, 2020 at 9:16 am

    @debbie: The classics never die. I imagine there are going to be a lot of flyers telling them to vote the day after the election, too.

  73. 73.

    Aleta

    October 26, 2020 at 9:17 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I hope bureaucratic technicalities don’t dampen his virginal dream.  Little charges like coordination between their foundation and the 2016 campaign.   Investigation for campaign finance violations, criminal conspiracy, lying to the Senate Jud. Committee.

  74. 74.

    Kay

    October 26, 2020 at 9:19 am

    @Humanities Prof:

    I have no idea. The only one I’m following is Rubando for US House because that’s also my district.

  75. 75.

    Mousebumples

    October 26, 2020 at 9:20 am

    @Kay: yeah, I don’t dislike 538/Nate or Harry Enten (now with CNN) or even Nate Cohn. And i get that there is some historical modeling to election predictions – especially when these launched months ago. But we’re 10 days out and it feels too much like the current models in largely seeing are doing a little too much “But what if there is a shy Trump voter?!” effect or something.

    LeanTossup – including the articles written by Evan – looks at the numbers and says what they think. They could be wrong, but like you, i appreciate their willingness to compare stuff to 2016, 2018, and tell me what the numbers say.

    And as others have said above, i believe they are Canadian so they have maybe less concerns over who they piss off by being so clear about Biden’s chances.

  76. 76.

    Kay

    October 26, 2020 at 9:25 am

    @Mousebumples:

    Some of the hedging is just silly. They spent 2 weeks saying early vote numbers didn’t matter for Democrats because Democrats were cannibalizing ed-day votes and Trumpsters would swamp on e-day. Then they were like “look at these GOP early vote numbers ‘cutting into’ the D lead!”
    They have to choose. Are we “cannibalizing” or not?

  77. 77.

    Uncle Cosmo

    October 26, 2020 at 9:25 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: It feels churlish to go after the Politico writers for something this (relatively) minor –

    But considering this level of idiocy is customary from the jerkoffs at Zampolitico, you are cordially encouraged to set aside your nobler sensibilities for the moment – & savage the living shit out of them.

  78. 78.

    japa21

    October 26, 2020 at 9:26 am

    Snowflakes are falling in the NW Chicago suburbs. Yuck.

  79. 79.

    Kay

    October 26, 2020 at 9:28 am

    AJC’s poll of likely voters in Georgia:
    Biden – 47
    Trump – 46
    3rd party – 3
    Undecided – 4
    (Margin of error, +/- 4)

    This is what I mean. If your most likely “path to victory” assumes states as close as this one and doesn’t even mention them as competitive, your path to victory is describing a different election than the one you’re in. Trump padded his base number in his own campaign doc.

  80. 80.

    mali muso

    October 26, 2020 at 9:32 am

    @Amir Khalid: Even more entertaining…feeding unsuspecting victims their first taste of durian!

  81. 81.

    Geminid

    October 26, 2020 at 9:33 am

    @The Oracle of Solace: Political scientist Rachel Bitecofer pointed out that two million registered Texas women did not vote in 2016. This was part of her argument that GOTV stategy was more consequential than “conversion” messaging, i.e. trying to flip republican voters.

  82. 82.

    SFAW

    October 26, 2020 at 9:36 am

    @danielx: 

    I cannot express how much I look forward to not hearing or seeing that braying ass again, unless in response to a judge asking if he has anything to say before sentencing.

    This, to the gazillionth power

  83. 83.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 26, 2020 at 9:37 am

    @Baud:  I would love to see Mandela Barnes run.

  84. 84.

    Ian

    October 26, 2020 at 9:41 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: 
    That sums up everything I have ever read from politico.

  85. 85.

    HinTN

    October 26, 2020 at 9:43 am

    @Kay: I notice the omit Warnock. I wonder why that might be…

  86. 86.

    Another Scott

    October 26, 2020 at 9:51 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:  +1. People who do this for a living should get it right.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  87. 87.

    Ian

    October 26, 2020 at 9:52 am

    @Humanities Prof:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    The decaying corpse of zombie Martin Van Buren is on line one for you guys.  I think John Adams is rolling around too, but technically elected in 1796 I’m not sure he qualifies for this category.

  88. 88.

    JPL

    October 26, 2020 at 9:55 am

    @HinTN: Warnock is heading towards a run-off since no one will get 50 percent plus 1.
    He’s at 34 percent, while Collins is at 21 percent and Loeffler at 20 percent.
    There’s a good chance that neither Ossoff or Perdue get 50 percent plus 1. GA might not decide either race until January.

  89. 89.

    Mousebumples

    October 26, 2020 at 9:55 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: me too, but I wonder if he’s planning to run for Governor? No idea if Evers is planning on running for reelection but if he opted to not run again, i wouldn’t be shocked.

  90. 90.

    Another Scott

    October 26, 2020 at 9:57 am

    @Humanities Prof: But, of course, Ford had all the advantages of incumbency when he was running in 1976.  That’s what people usually think of when they think “re-election”.

    At least, that’s what I think.

    The counterpoint is Loeffler in GA.  Let’s see…

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kelly_loeffler/456790

    Loeffler was appointed to the Senate to fill a vacancy and is up for reelection in a special election in 2020.

    ;-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  91. 91.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    October 26, 2020 at 9:57 am

    @japa21: Yeah, I just got back from my walk. They started while I was out.

  92. 92.

    Jinchi

    October 26, 2020 at 9:57 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: There is always someone somewhere who is not only willing but wanting to cheat.

    It’d be nice to know who’s paying for it though.

  93. 93.

    cmorenc

    October 26, 2020 at 9:57 am

    @satby: 

    @debbie: It doesn’t help that a lot of candidates in lower races don’t identify what party they’re running with. I hate that, but it doesn’t matter, because in the voting booth I can just go down the ticket and vote for the Dems whether I got junk mail from them or not.

    This election cycle, it will nearly always be the R candidate who tries to go stealth, often borrowing a few bits of vaguely progressive-sounding positions as camouflage, and the rest positive-sounding platitudes. For example, take Olivia Holmes Oxendine, a UNC-Pembroke professor who’s the Republican candidate for NC state house, district 47 (mostly western Robeson County). Take Olivia Oxendine’s campaign website – you will search in vain for ANY mention of her party affiliation.

  94. 94.

    Jinchi

    October 26, 2020 at 10:01 am

    @Baud: Trump looks absolutely awful in the picture at the start of that article. The ill fitting clothes and a face that looks like he’s still beaten down from covid. And that’s at one of his rallies.

  95. 95.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 26, 2020 at 10:06 am

    @Mousebumples: OTOH having someone from Outagamie County rather than Madison or Milwaukee wouldn’t hurt.  Still, this far out, Barnes is the one I want to see.

  96. 96.

    Ken

    October 26, 2020 at 10:09 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: There is always someone somewhere who is not only willing but wanting to cheat.

    This is one of my points of disagreement with the Baud! 2032! campaign, the ridiculous insistence on probity and honest.

    All right, my real disagreement isn’t in how that applies to vote cheating, but to the misuse of campaign funds.

  97. 97.

    Betty Cracker

    October 26, 2020 at 10:10 am

    JFC, let’s wipe the self-satisfied smile off this nepotism hire’s face:

    Jared Kushner on Fox News about the black community:

    "President Trump's policies are the policies that can help people break out of the problems that they're complaining about, but he can't want them to be successful more than they want to be successful."

    — Misyrlena Egkolfopoulou (@misyrlena) October 26, 2020

  98. 98.

    Kristine

    October 26, 2020 at 10:12 am

    @japa21:Here in the far NE corner of Illinois too.

  99. 99.

    Jeffro

    October 26, 2020 at 10:13 am

    Rich Lowry at National Review has up a piece that on its face is offensive: “If trumpov Wins, It Would Be a Huge Middle Finger to the Left” or something like that.

    He goes on to list all the very real reasons why trumpov is losing bigly: the pandemic, the ranting and raving, the economy, the ranting and raving, etc. So he’s not really rooting for a trumpov win nor is he expecting one; he’s just saying that his tiny pea-sized brain can think of no other way to oppose the ‘woke Left’ than to vote for trumpov.

    And technically, Lowry is correct: if trumpov were somehow to win, it would and could ONLY be that enough voters threw all of those reasons aside in order to give a big middle finger to the Left.

    The problem with Lowry’s article is, he doesn’t take the next step: there AREN’T enough of those asshole racist/Randian/religious-right voters to win anymore. Not we we Lefties show. up.

    So…fucking figure it out, Rich (and all you precious Republicans/conservatives/tea partiers/never-never-trumpers): change, or die. Stop enabling people who think that the pandemic is fake, that climate change doesn’t exist, that voter fraud does exist, and that immigration is anything but a net positive for this country.

  100. 100.

    Geminid

    October 26, 2020 at 10:13 am

    During a recent drive through part of South Carolina I saw some signs for the local  republican congressman. They just had his name in the middle, Congress below, and a palmetto tree above.

  101. 101.

    Jeffro

    October 26, 2020 at 10:14 am

    @Betty Cracker: that’s it.  Kushner’s going to the head of the tumbrel line.

  102. 102.

    Ken

    October 26, 2020 at 10:18 am

    @Geminid: In the reverse case, all the Green Party signs I’ve seen just say “Vote Green Party” with no candidate’s name or office.  I expect it’s a lack of funds, so they just go for party awareness – plus the sign can be reused in any election.

  103. 103.

    Mousebumples

    October 26, 2020 at 10:19 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: if Johnson runs for reelection, I’d wonder if 2 Fox Valley candidates would cut into Johnson’s numbers at all? (as you know, but others may not, Winnebago County, where Johnson is from, is adjacent to Outagamie County – Oshkosh versus Appleton, if city names help out at all)

    No idea. And I’m on board with a contested Dem primary race, too. Get people involved and motivated to fire Ron Johnson.

  104. 104.

    SFAW

    October 26, 2020 at 10:20 am

    TPM is reporting that the Murderer-in-Chief is tweeting that he wants the MSM not to be allowed to report on COVID, because it’s an election law violation or something like that, and it’s helping Sleepy Joe. and the Demon-craps.

  105. 105.

    Ken

    October 26, 2020 at 10:21 am

    @Jeffro: There may be a market for a specialty release of Guillotine with different characters.

  106. 106.

    SFAW

    October 26, 2020 at 10:22 am

    @Jeffro:

    that’s it.  Kushner’s going to the head of the tumbrel line.

    Not ahead of Traitor Turtle nor Shill Barr, he ain’t. A shitload of others, too. He’s just an entitled moron, mit einem Backpfeifengesicht.

  107. 107.

    japa21

    October 26, 2020 at 10:22 am

    @Mousebumples:  As a one time resident of Appleton, the mere thought that a viable Democratic candidate could come from there amazes me. Granted that was 60 years ago (not quite but close enough) and it was as red as could be. The home territory of Joe McCarthy.

  108. 108.

    Elizabelle

    October 26, 2020 at 10:26 am

    @Matt McIrvin: 

    Noticed with last night’s Biden We Will Vote concert extravaganza that the speakers kept saying, over and over, to vote because it would be close.

    No complacency or magical thinking. Run up those numbers.

  109. 109.

    The Moar You Know

    October 26, 2020 at 10:29 am

    And now GA Dem voters are getting fake voter guides which list GOP candidates as the Dem choice.

    @debbie:  Wasn’t aware that was illegal. I’ve been getting them here in CA since 2012. The fliers usually present a slate of legit Dem candidates with one lower-level goose-stepping Nazi in the woodpile. I don’t think they’re very effective.

  110. 110.

    Humanities Prof

    October 26, 2020 at 10:29 am

    @Ian:

    I don’t think we’re talking about quite the same thing.

    Adams and Van Buren had both been Vice Presidents, yes (Jefferson, too–he was Adams’ VP, despite having been his opponent in the 1796 election). But each of them was elected President in his own right (Adams in 1796, Jefferson in 1800, Van Buren in 1836). The people I was referring to were VPs who succeeded to the Presidency mid-term, when their predecessors died in office (Tyler, Fillmore, A. Johnson, and Arthur).

  111. 111.

    ...now I try to be amused

    October 26, 2020 at 10:32 am

    @Ken:

    There may be a market for a specialty release of Guillotine with different characters.

    Who would be the Piss Boy?

  112. 112.

    Kristine

    October 26, 2020 at 10:34 am

    @SFAW: Anyone heard anything from Barr recently? It’s as though he’s in hiding or something.

    Maybe he’s pulling together that promised October Surprise.

  113. 113.

    trollhattan

    October 26, 2020 at 10:37 am

    @Betty Cracker: 
    What a mensch. Since he’s a slumlord I’m sure he has lots of firsthand knowledge of the people he’s busily insulting. “Love me or hate me, either way you’ll be paying me.”

    Learning to say Misyrlena Egkolfopoulou is my project for Monday.

  114. 114.

    trollhattan

    October 26, 2020 at 10:38 am

    @Kristine:

    “This year, October surprise comes with a prize in the box: a tiny time machine for going back and changing your ballot–to Trump!”

  115. 115.

    Another Scott

    October 26, 2020 at 10:39 am

    @Kristine: Linky (from 10/21):

    As the election nears, Barr has kept a lower profile, limiting his time in front of the cameras to avoid facing direct questions from the media about Trump’s demands for greater Justice Department involvement in the election.

    The department on Tuesday announced a landmark antitrust case in Washington against tech giant Google, but Barr was in Florida speaking at a law enforcement conference. Barr also has remained relatively quiet after U.S. attorneys announced charges against a group of men accused of plotting to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a Democratic ally of Biden’s.

    “He’s toned it down, but it’s hard to know what else might be going on behind the scenes,” Carl Tobias, a constitutional law expert at the University of Richmond, said of Barr.

    While Barr has kept a lower profile in recent week, he has publicly sided with Trump on election matters. He said foreign nations could print counterfeit ballots, something intelligence officials say there’s no evidence of and would be nearly impossible. After Trump encouraged North Carolina voters to vote twice to try to test the system, which is illegal, Barr declined to definitively say it was illegal, instead saying he wasn’t familiar with the laws in every state.

    Hey, one can’t expect the Attorney General to know the law and comment on it accurately. That’s crazy talk.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  116. 116.

    Logan Brown

    October 26, 2020 at 10:50 am

  117. 117.

    Kay

    October 26, 2020 at 10:52 am

    Kayleigh McEnany
    @kayleighmcenany
    · Oct 17
    The Thin Blue Line flag flying over President @realDonaldTrump’s rally in Janesville, Wisconsin!
    We LOVE our police officers

    It will never not be amazing to me that police took the US flag and defaced it, turning it into a flag that glorifies only themselves, and all of conservatism embraced the new flag.
    That’s how fucking easy it was to turn these people. You just make an authoritarian flag and they’ll follow behind it.
    They made a police state flag and the entire Republican Party adopted it.

  118. 118.

    Van Buren

    October 26, 2020 at 10:53 am

    @PsiFighter37: I live on Long Island: there are 12 early voting locations in Suffolk County , which has a population of about 1.5 million. Waited 3.5 hours yesterday. I used Google maps to determine the line was .32 miles long when I started. Periodically, they stop activities to sanitize.  That experience will really suck for people who have to do it in unpleasant weather.

    But nearly as bad as 4 more years of Trump would suck.

  119. 119.

    TS (the original)

    October 26, 2020 at 10:53 am

    @SFAW:

    TPM is reporting

    That is an awful picture of his face – inches thick in orange. I’m so confused that his manly male supporters think it is fine that he wears orange makeup.

    Just weird – and awful to look at.

  120. 120.

    Betty

    October 26, 2020 at 10:55 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: My eyes were already watering from allergies, darn it!

  121. 121.

    Kay

    October 26, 2020 at 10:59 am

    John Cole also noted a Townhall commenter who was outraged that Obama would “change” the American flag: “I don’t want to hear any looney left comments that they are only decoration. They ARE a modification of the American flag.”
    Here’s the Ohio state flag, and here’s Obama standing in front of Ohio’s state flag.
    Sometimes, the right finds the strangest things to get worked up about.

    From 2008 when they were outraged that Obama used the Ohio state flag with the US flag, to 2020, where they fly not the US flag but the police state flag.

  122. 122.

    Jeffro

    October 26, 2020 at 11:00 am

    @SFAW:  ok, good point.

    Can he be 4th? Wait, forgot about Stephen Miller…5th?

  123. 123.

    japa21

    October 26, 2020 at 11:08 am

    @Kay: Look, this is minor thing. See it really shows true respect for the American flag, unlike those thugs that kneel during the anthem. //

  124. 124.

    Jeffro

    October 26, 2020 at 11:09 am

    @Kay:It will never not be amazing to me that police took the US flag and defaced it, turning it into a flag that glorifies only themselves, and all of conservatism embraced the new flag.
    That’s how fucking easy it was to turn these people. You just make an authoritarian flag and they’ll follow behind it.
    They made a police state flag and the entire Republican Party adopted it.

    It’s enraging, but it really does fit all their needs, symbolism-wise.  No need to defend the Confederate flag, or even use the original 13-star U.S. flag.  Just take a b&w version of the American flag and run that blue line through it.  Everyone knows all the different things that are wrapped into that one blue line: the racism, the authoritarianism, the near carte blanche given to police to beat up protestors.

    And still…I hope we on the Left don’t start doing the same thing.  I don’t want a recolored or reconfigured American flag (except one with 51st and 52nd stars added ;)

    It’s a little like the thing I mentioned a week or two about vanity plates: regular plates are Democratic, centrist, good-government, unifying plates.  The regular U.S. flag should be our flag.  And I hope our leaders keep (start?) saying that publicly, noting the constant shift in symbols by the Right to try and keep their racist signaling alive.

    If they cared about police, they would have fought Covid, and they’d have bars closed/schools open so that policemen’s and policewomen’s kids could be in school.

  125. 125.

    Kay

    October 26, 2020 at 11:12 am

    Instead of The Intercept reporters all joining Glenn Greenwald insisting that “no one” is reporting on Hunter Biden- which isn’t true- why doesn’t The Intercept just do the report on Hunter Biden they’re all demanding?
    They’re supposedly a news organization and they’re obviously well connected in Right wing media so they should be able to get the source information that Rudy won’t turn over to the WSJ or NBC.
    The Intercept should do the Hunter Biden expose. Is someone stopping them? Why are they scolding other outlets for a story their own outlet hasn’t done?

  126. 126.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 26, 2020 at 11:15 am

    @Van Buren: 

    Waited 3.5 hours yesterday

    I’ve become a bore on this, but, you know, lots of other countries manage to run elections in which people don’t wait for hours.

  127. 127.

    SFAW

    October 26, 2020 at 11:15 am

    @Kristine: 
    I think he’s putting together a November surprise, something on the order of declaring all votes to the Democrat Party are null, void, and fraudulent.
    OK, that’s obviously an exaggeration, but it would surprise me not one iota if he were working on voter intimidation/suppression plans which Americans won’t have time to fight back on. And by “Americans,” I mean persons who are not Republicans, nor Republican supporters.

  128. 128.

    Kay

    October 26, 2020 at 11:15 am

    @japa21:

    It’s outrageous for police to take a national symbol and deface it to turn it into a symbol that glorifies them. What nerve.

  129. 129.

    japa21

    October 26, 2020 at 11:17 am

    @Kay:

    Totally agree.

  130. 130.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 26, 2020 at 11:17 am

    @Kay: According to reports from the darker corners of the internet, a Chinese source close to Bannon is busy unloading a bunch of alleged Hunter Biden sex videos. The (slightly more) reputable players are doing a good job of ignoring that material.

  131. 131.

    SFAW

    October 26, 2020 at 11:24 am

    @Jeffro:

    Can he be 4th? Wait, forgot about Stephen Miller…5th?

    The way I envision it is something like this:

    You know how some “Top 10” or “Top 100” lists sometimes have, let’s say, three entries tied for second, and the list is numbered as 1-2-2-2-5, instead of 1-2-3-4-5?

    I see the “Top 1,000 Tumbrel-Bound” list as being 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 … -1-1-1-899-900-901-902 and so forth. Is that something you can “get on board with”? [Naturally, actual numbers and positions are not “cast in concrete” (unless we’re talking about cement overshoes), and would be somewhat fluid, depending on what happens between now and 1/20/2021.]

  132. 132.

    SFAW

    October 26, 2020 at 11:26 am

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I’ve become a bore on this, but, you know, lots of other countries manage to run elections in which people don’t wait for hours.

    Like Russia and DPRK? Yes, I know that’s not what you meant.

  133. 133.

    laura

    October 26, 2020 at 11:26 am

    @Betty Cracker: That gormless wax faced shitweasel should have to live in of of his substandard shithole apartments for the rest of his vapid social climbing life. Fucking entitled pig shagger.

  134. 134.

    Another Scott

    October 26, 2020 at 11:29 am

    @SFAW:  One of my early childhood memories is going to a Christmas party for employees of Lockheed in GA. It was in a huge hanger and they had about 5 “Santas” sitting on thrones that hundreds of kids were lined up to talk to.

    “Mommy? Why are there so many Santas??!”

    “They aren’t Santa, they’re his helpers.”

    “But why are they dressed like Santa???!!?”

    Very confusing. :-/

    But the lesson is – we can have many more than one tumbrel and do things in parallel!!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  135. 135.

    Kattails

    October 26, 2020 at 11:35 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: sadly, if you click along to the original post you get a lot of Republicans castigating her for being a horrible daughter bothering her dad about politics, how shallow and mean, “if my daughters did this I’d write them out of the will” etc. Always about money.

    I’d rather get a legacy of a decent, functioning country. I’ve literally said to my mother that if my sister and I have the luck to survive as long as she has, we will be dealing with the consequences of this election for many years to come.  I think it’s entirely fair to ask her to consider that.

  136. 136.

    Kattails

    October 26, 2020 at 11:37 am

    @laura: You need to stop pussyfooting around and tell us what you really think. This is just so open to misinterpretation. :-)

  137. 137.

    trollhattan

    October 26, 2020 at 11:38 am

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Try as I may, I still cannot determine which public office Hunter Biden is running for.

  138. 138.

    Ken

    October 26, 2020 at 12:00 pm

    @trollhattan: Maybe one of the ones that Ivanka and Jared hold? Whatever they call a person who couldn’t pass a security or background check, is not subject to Congressional confirmation or oversight, and is allowed to hang around the most secure spaces in the White House and take pictures with their personal cell phone.

  139. 139.

    Miss Bianca

    October 26, 2020 at 12:12 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: And why the fuck not? I mean, even in horses races, we remember the blowouts best.

    Secretariat winning the Belmont Stakes by 31 lengths in 1973? Yeah, people still remember. And I’ll guarantee you no one who witnessed that race thinks, “Man, it would have been *so much more meaningful* a victory if Sham had been more of a contender!” //

  140. 140.

    Geminid

    October 26, 2020 at 12:20 pm

    @Kay: I wish someone would hack The Intercept and publish all their internal communications, discussions with ownership, etc. Just to see how much those guys really like transparency.

  141. 141.

    Jeffro

    October 26, 2020 at 12:24 pm

    @SFAW: can we just put them all inside a cement submarine?  That would work…

  142. 142.

    Bluegirlfromwyo

    October 26, 2020 at 12:29 pm

    @Betty Cracker: He-went-to-Jared is going to keep AAs from getting shot by police? /s Last I checked, you can’t be successful when you’re dead. What a POS.

  143. 143.

    Hoppie

    October 26, 2020 at 1:35 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo: Gee, we were campaign mates. I was a freshman, though, so more distant from voting under the old rules (would have been my first election under the 26th amendment). And I was sent to inner city Upton neighborhood, where there didn’t seem to be much rat-fornicating. What a long. strange trip it’s been!
    (Oh, and FYI, 5-year AB/MA in international relations.)

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