Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Within six months Twitter will be fully self-driving.

Everybody saw this coming.

Anyone who bans teaching American history has no right to shape America’s future.

The worst democrat is better than the best republican.

Sitting here in limbo waiting for the dice to roll

Republicans are radicals, not conservatives.

Speaking of republicans, is there a way for a political party to declare intellectual bankruptcy?

He really is that stupid.

“Everybody’s entitled to be an idiot.”

Let’s not be the monsters we hate.

We are aware of all internet traditions.

They love authoritarianism, but only when they get to be the authoritarians.

Happy indictment week to all who celebrate!

Meanwhile over at truth Social, the former president is busy confessing to crimes.

A lot of Dems talk about what the media tells them to talk about. Not helpful.

If you are still in the GOP, you are an extremist.

It’s time for the GOP to dust off that post-2012 autopsy, completely ignore it, and light the party on fire again.

It may be funny to you motherfucker, but it’s not funny to me.

Conservatism: there are some people the law protects but does not bind and others who the law binds but does not protect.

Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

When do the post office & the dmv weigh in on the wuhan virus?

You can’t attract Republican voters. You can only out organize them.

We cannot abandon the truth and remain a free nation.

I didn’t have alien invasion on my 2023 BINGO card.

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  3. 3.

    RaflW

    Hey, yesterday DougJ posted a thermometer for Four Directions. Just this morning I got an email from a MN state senate candidate I am supporting up in the NW part of the state. Alan Roy grew up on the White Earth reservation.

    Here’s how Four Directions (and other orgs like MN350) are helping: “A collaboration between Tribal nations, non-profits, and community organizers helped around 5,500 Red Lake Nation citizens to register to vote, and the remaining 2,500 registrants were split between White Earth and Leech Lake.

    Excellent!

    Keep donating to mobilizers and organizers, folks!

  6. 6.

    TaMara (HFG)

    @Yarrow:

    @Baud:

    Forgive me for a stupid question, but I don’t pay much attention to polls or the science behind them. But those republican register voters, do they take into account how many are planning on voting Biden? I’m assuming since we are seeing a swing from older Americans to Biden, there are quite a few and they didn’t necessarily change their affiliation to do it

    ETA: In other words, dumb this down for me. LOL

  8. 8.

    Baud

    @TaMara (HFG): I’m not a poll expert, but a poll should take into account who people are voting for.  Information about ballots received does not — that only takes account of the party registration of the voter.

  11. 11.

    Baud

    @hilts: I didn’t read his letter.  Did he argue that their decision to not let him smear Joe Biden is unfair to Hillary Clinton?

  12. 12.

    rp

    @hilts: hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Thankfully, my anxiety is still sky high because of the election. Otherwise I’d be ODing on schadenfreude.

  14. 14.

    LuciaMia

    Still smiling over Tucker Carlson saying he lost all those important documents about the H. Biden ‘scandal’. Maybe Hunter used the same disappearing ink Trump did in that massive ‘healthcare plan’ book they gave to Lesley Stahl

  16. 16.

    Yarrow

    If anyone is bored with US politics, in the UK the former head of the Labour party has been suspended from the party for refusing to accept the results of the antisemitism investigation.

    Jeremy Corbyn suspended from Labour Party

    Spokesperson: “In light of his comments made today and his failure to retract them subsequently, the Labour Party has suspended Jeremy Corbyn pending investigation. He has also had the whip removed from the Parliamentary Labour Party.”— Ashley Cowburn (@ashcowburn) October 29, 2020

  17. 17.

    Baud

    @Yarrow: Tony Jay had some thoughts on it in the previous thread.  Tensions are running high over there, and I don’t know enough to comment further.  We still have a job to finish on this side of the pond.

  18. 18.

    piratedan

    @hilts: are we positive that he didn’t bury the lede in the 11th paragraph so we could completely disregard what was said in the previous 10 and understand that what he wanted was the exact opposite of the article title?

  21. 21.

    hilts

    Speaking of douchebags, did Chuck Todd take some extra strength stupid pills yesterday?

    Political media figures and others swarmed Twitter to roast MSNBC’s Chuck Todd for asking, out loud on TV, whether former Vice President Joe Biden is taking COVID-19 “too seriously.”

     

    Todd made the comment on Wednesday’s edition of MTP Live, while setting up a segment with DailyKos founder Markos Moulitsas and Republican operative Michael Steele.

    “Interesting when you look at both candidates, in some ways one not taking the virus seriously enough at all,” Todd said, then added “and one, if there’s a criticism, might be, is he taking it too seriously, at least when it comes to campaigning?” as Moulitsas let out a visible laugh.

     

     

    h/t https://www.mediaite.com/news/launch-him-into-the-sun-chuck-todd-gets-roasted-for-asking-if-biden-is-taking-covid-too-seriously/

  24. 24.

    piratedan

    @Baud: well it IS Greenwald, the only thing I would congratulate him for, would be an accumulation of physical injuries.  Surprised he’s not won a Tony Award for his bad faith acting.

  27. 27.

    Humanities Prof

    @gwangung: I’ll never trust that Florida has gone for the good guys until the vote is officially certified.

    But a 5% lead in a state as big as Florida is a really big lead, if it’s real, and not a product if sampling error.  Because it would take hundreds of thousands of flipped and/or not-counted votes to offset that.

  29. 29.

    WaterGirl

    @RaflW:

    Kattails mentioned earlier this week that Four Directions, along with 3 other groups, is trying to raise $25,000 to set up a shuttle service to get Navajo voters to the polls, because many of them live 50 miles from a polling station; they hope to mobilize 38,000 voters.

    Four Directions

    Goal Thermometer

    Kattails, we couldn’t find an Act Blue setup for the 4 groups together, but hopefully these donations to FourDirections will help!

  30. 30.

    Ken

    @Baud: I’ll be interested in seeing how effective Biden’s Republican outreach efforts have been.

    How do you separate Biden’s efforts from Trump’s?  A large percentage of the Republicans who have announced they’re voting for Biden this year are adding “because of Trump”.

  31. 31.

    piratedan

    @hilts: when I see shit like that, I would love to see Chuck Todd get sentenced (in the court of public decency) to unloading freezer trailers of corpses because the morgues are too full.

  32. 32.

    eric

    @piratedan: i like how it is “censorship” when they choose not to publish it, but not censorship when they reject others.  Happens every day.

  33. 33.

    Gin & Tonic

    Can’t watch, as I’m reclining here at the blood center, having just been hooked up to the apheresis machine for my donation.

  36. 36.

    LuciaMia

    well it IS Greenwald, the only thing I would congratulate him for,

    He DOES have 25 rescue dogs.

  37. 37.

    mali muso

    Re: Jerry Falwell suing Liberty University for “ruining his reputation”…I am over in the corner laughing and rooting for damages on both sides.

  41. 41.

    Anonymous At Work

    Everyday between now and Tuesday, I am curious what the cross-over points will be between lines at early voting sites and the nearest liquor stores.

    I dare not ask about Election Day itself…

  45. 45.

    pamelabrown53

    @hilts:

    Gee, Chuckles; don’t know. What I do know is in my city of El Paso we have been issued a 2 week stay-at-home order (voting, food shopping excluded) with a 10P.M. to 5A.M,curfew $500. fine, no mask $250. fine.

    Plus local news is reporting that our convention center will be turned into a field hospital. Sooo…my bet is many in my area don’t think Biden is “overly concerned”. What a no-talent hack!

  48. 48.

    Sab

    @hilts: My Republican governor is telling us that we shouldn’t go to weddings or funerals or family gatherings because that’s a prime source of virus spread.

    So yeah, I take covid19 seriously and I damn well want my president to also.

  49. 49.

    gkoutnik

    @Gin & Tonic: I stopped blood donations (I do aphereris as well) after COVID blossomed in our area, late summer; last donation was in the spring, when it was quiet here on that front.  I’m overdue but quarantining pretty hard now – how do you feel about the donation environment re: safety, health, etc.?  I’m just not used to being in a room for any amount of time with strangers.

  51. 51.

    Kent

    @TaMara (HFG):

    @Baud:

    Forgive me for a stupid question, but I don’t pay much attention to polls or the science behind them. But those republican register voters, do they take into account how many are planning on voting Biden? I’m assuming since we are seeing a swing from older Americans to Biden, there are quite a few and they didn’t necessarily change their affiliation to do it

    ETA: In other words, dumb this down for me. LOL

    As I understand it, they generally randomly sample as any voters as they can and then make adjustments to make their poll sample match as best as possible to what they predict the actual voting population will be.

    So if they over or under-polled Black voters relative to what they project the electorate will be they adjust.  If they over or under poll white men they adjust as necessary.  If they over or underpoll college educated or old/young they adjust as necessary.

    It’s part science and part art.  Where they went especially wrong in 2016 in the upper midwest was they underpolled white working class voters relative to who actually turned out.  They are trying not to make that same mistake again.  But will probably make new ones this time around.

  55. 55.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    @TaMara (HFG): The Obama bros had a poll expert on talking about this yesterday. He said what Baud did. The polling does show some R-registered voters voting for Biden. There were also a large number of new voters and if they were just looking at returned ballots, they couldn’t know how to classify those.

  56. 56.

    Calouste

    @Baud: Tony Jay is a cultist who can’t imagine his messiah Jeremy being anything less than perfect. And if anything is not perfect (and this is the tell) it’s always someone else’s fault according to Tony Jay, not saint Jeremy’s.

  59. 59.

    patrick II

    Looking at the picture at the top of this post — those are two good looking people.  It may be shallow, but in the visual age, that is a nice advantage. Every bit counts. Ted Cruz will never be president.

  60. 60.

    Jeffro

    @hilts: man that is one terminal case of “both-sides” right there.

    Chuck, would it have been that hard to say “one candidate actively encouraging dangerous behavior amongst his own followers during this pandemic, and one taking the pandemic seriously & following the science”?

  62. 62.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Chris Hayes irritates me from time to time (“TONIGHT! our exclusive biweekly interview with Senator Bernie Sanders!”), has enraged me a couple of times (Tara Reade), but mostly I think he’s smart and a good talking head. But god help, this time I can only laugh at the Eternal Grad Student, whose mind is so open it fell out

    Chris Hayes @chrislhayes · 11m
    The world absolutely deserves a joint Glenn/Taibbi/Sully venture. I’d read it!

    I doubt there’s a trace of irony in there, even in the word “deserves”.

  63. 63.

    Jeffro

    @mali muso: I sent that one to my trump cultist dad today, along with a question about Tucker Carlson’s missing Hunter Biden files

    Still waiting to hear back… ;)

  68. 68.

    Baud

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    You’re probably correct, but I don’t know how he could have written it t be any more ambiguous about whether he was snarking.

     

    A long time ago, when I knew Glenn was a phony but many others didn’t, Cole had a post about how much better the Sunday morning talks shows would be if they had people like GG on.

  69. 69.

    Gin & Tonic

    @gkoutnik: I am not uncomfortable with the practices here, and while the trend here is slightly increasing, it is not terrible. As an O- guy, I try to do what I can.

  74. 74.

    catclub

    @eric: i like how it is “censorship” when they choose not to publish it, but not censorship when they reject others. Happens every day.

     

    also, unless it is government censorship, it is not even censorship. It is more like the invisible hand of the market giving you the finger.

  78. 78.

    pamelabrown53

    @satby:

    Thank you for that link to the “Mayor Pete” podcast. I love how he cuts through the crap and hones in on the heart of the matter on the questions he’s asked. An amazing communicator.

  84. 84.

    David ?Booooooo!? Koch

    Me, from nearly 7 years ago

     

    David Koch
    February 17, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    Is this the same Griftwald who went on Bill Maher and said Benghzaaaaazi!11! is a scandal that needs to be investigated?

    Hmm. That’s some journalist.

    Want a good laugh, watch “journalist” Griftwald say the polls are skewed (the mythical enthusiasm gap) and predict Obama would lose the election because youth and latinos would stay home and swing states like Florida would flock to Mittens.

    Good times

    Maybe now the former failed corporate attorney, failed Klan lawyer, failed Hair-fetish pornographer, failed sock-puppet grifter, failed election handicapper, failed PAC founder, failed conspiracy theorist, failed Paultard, failed Iraq-invasion hawk, failed Bush supporter, failed blogger can pay his back taxes (rule of law for thee, but not for me).

    Moar better trolling, Cole.

    Me, from five years ago

    David Koch
    September 24, 2015 at 7:47 am

    @Gimlet:

    Is this the same Griftwald who said the 2012 polls were skewed and Romney would win?

    Or this the same Griftwald who pushes the republican conspiracy theories on Benghazi?

    Or is this the same Griftwald who pushes Trump’s racist talking points on immigration?

  85. 85.

    VeniceRiley

    @Geeno: Only Chuck Todd would call my whiskey stash “overprepared.” I even have the basic Jim Beam for a nailbiter, and High West Double Rye for an early call for Biden/Harris.

  86. 86.

    patrick II

    “I doubt there’s a trace of irony in there, even in the word “deserves”.”

    I think you are wrong.  I follow Chris on twitter and he can be very droll.

  90. 90.

    James E Powell

    @Humanities Prof:

    I’ll never trust that Florida has gone for the good guys until the vote is officially certified.

    I will wait til a week after official certification. A wound can heal, but there’s always a scar.

  93. 93.

    Geminid

    @pamelabrown53: I usually stay away from speculation about who should serve where in a prospective Biden administration. But it occurred to me that Pete Buttigieg would make a good Ambassador to the U.N. His excellent communications skills are well suited for the job. And real diplomacy goes on there.     I hope El Paso has been a good home for you. You Texans get a real treat tomorrow, when Kamala Harris comes to campaign. Your excellent Congresswoman Veronica Escobar may get a piece of the action. I understand that the Rio Grande valley is a particular target for the Democrats, and El Paso anchors the northern end.

  94. 94.

    WaterGirl

    @Geminid: I try to avoid that, also, but damn, that is the best idea I have heard yet for how to use Pete’s skillset – whip smart, excellent communicator, ability to listen, etc.  Good job.

  95. 95.

    Aleta

    @hilts:  I gotta think there’s a reason that’s not revealed, not just a principled act since that ‘d be completely out of character.  Like his wealthy backer cutting his salary  (or cutting funds to the intercept) or refusing to negotiate new demands.  Or some bad journalism or mismanagement about to make news.  Bc Greenwald always shifts blame and responsibility away from the honest story.

  96. 96.

    WaterGirl

    @Aleta: Or, he had got mad because he was stymied in his efforts to smear Biden, so he threw a tantrum and left.  There’s no nobility in that story.

    This is just GG framing himself as the hero with principles.

  97. 97.

    Philbert

    @Geminid: I would prefer Pete be press secretary or some public speaking position where he can continue to take it to the GOP. He does such a fine job of smilingly destroying their talking points and getting good Dem ideas across clearly. The press is useless.

  98. 98.

    Aleta

    @Geminid:  This may be naive of me but I’ve been thinking  Pete Buttigieg could do a lot of good as a media talking head, and be well paid for it.  It may not be what he wants to do right now, but if it were, it sure would help support for Dem policy and legislation, reforms for the VA, and help the clarity of Dem communication.  I don’t know his beliefs re universal health care.  Media communication about the ACA and other health care policy would do a lot of good b/c the RW is not going to quit trying to take it away.  I think that people like Miles Taylor and others in the Lincoln Project will be formidable communicators to convince people to believe in some version of a different  Republican party and we really need skilled people with PB’s strength at simplifying complicated ideas to be out there across from them.  He presents well.

  99. 99.

    louc

    @Kent: I was curious about this as well. The reports on young early voters shows the turnout in Florida thus far has been triple the turnout in 2016. Do pollsters take that type of data into account?

  101. 101.

    Aleta

    @piratedan:   I think it’s in the 32nd para:

    “Prior to the [headline grabbing reason] , I had already been exploring the possibility of creating a new media outlet. I have spent a couple of months in active discussions …. To do that, to make this viable, I will need your support: people who are able to subscribe and sign up … will enable my work to thrive … I began my journalism career by depending on my readers’ willingness to support” ….

    It”s like Andr.S’s presentation this summer:  resign due to dangerous oppression, go on about  the important principles at stake (vs dark ages etc ) and his pure motives.  Ask for subscribers (for numbers to use to negotiate maximum $ from backers).

  102. 102.

    Kpennington

    Anybody else notice the 46 on the building behind Biden?  Kudos to the staffer who had a hand in this eye candy?

  103. 103.

    J R in WV

    @WaterGirl:

    Great to see this. We’ve been contributing to Four Directions since before the 2016 election, I hope enough people kick in to get everyone to the polls in the Navajo Nation.

    Thanks again for everything you (and all the B-J do!

  105. 105.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: A joint Glenn/Taibbi/Sully venture, in a deeply buried containment vessel surrounded by a field of broken boulders and threatening abstract sculpture and a sign reading WE BELIEVED OURSELVES TO BE A MIGHTY CIVILIZATION. THE DANGER CAN KILL AT A DISTANCE. NO ESTEEMED DEED IS COMMEMORATED HERE.

  106. 106.

    Ocotillo

    @Geminid: What is referred to as “the Valley” here is really the end of the river Brownsville to Mission.  Kamala will be going to the Valley in McAllen.

  108. 108.

    Geminid

    @Ocotillo: thanks. Good to know. Although I should have realized that the Big Bend country separates El Paso from the lower Rio Grande Valley. Still, Veronica Escobar is an impressive freshman Congresswoman. She has a safe seat, so I hope she’s been able to pitch in for other Texas Democrats.

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