Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Optimism opens the door to great things.

Republicans: slavery is when you own me. freedom is when I own you.

A democracy can’t function when people can’t distinguish facts from lies.

When I decide to be condescending, you won’t have to dream up a fantasy about it.

The Supreme Court cannot be allowed to become the ultimate, unaccountable arbiter of everything.

I’d hate to be the candidate who lost to this guy.

They think we are photo bombing their nice little lives.

Republicans are the party of chaos and catastrophe.

“That’s what the insurrection act is for!”

We are aware of all internet traditions.

Too often we hand the biggest microphones to the cynics and the critics who delight in declaring failure.

Sadly, there is no cure for stupid.

No one could have predicted…

Balloon Juice has never been a refuge for the linguistically delicate.

You can’t attract Republican voters. You can only out organize them.

I was confident that someone would point it out and thought why not me.

Some judge needs to shut this circus down soon.

As long as McCarthy is Speaker, the House will never be in order.

“Can i answer the question? No you can not!”

Consistently wrong since 2002

Ah, the different things are different argument.

Come on, media. you have one job. start doing it.

“Why isn’t this Snickers bar only a nickle?”

Republicans choose power over democracy, every day.

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  2. 2.

    PsiFighter37

    You should watch. You know you want to, and you will anyways. Just realize that the people on TV aren’t that smart and are invested in a horse race both ways, which is why MSNBC hasn’t definitively said that Florida is voting for Orange Florida Man.

  4. 4.

    Omnes Omnibus

    Just a warning.  I will post Taylor Swift videos if needed.  No one wants that so don’t make me do it.

  7. 7.

    bertintx

    I’m on XKCD clicking the random button. Already found a bunch of useful science cartoons.  We had the day off today, but will be teaching tomorrow no matter what.  Kids have asked me who I voted for. I say I can’t tell them now, but that I am a science teacher, so figure it out. Make a good guess.

  8. 8.

    Dagaetch

    I know they’re talking so much about Florida because it’s the only big swing state with results so far, but Biden has several paths to win without it. Not the end of the world.

  15. 15.

    The Enderville Phantom

    Holiday decorations have sprung up. One individual strung lights on the trees and then made a display “F’ING VOTE”. I thought that would be something you’d like to see driving around on Election Day or at least know about.

  21. 21.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Dagaetch: Here’s what’s going on in Florida. The influence campaign run on and in Spanish language media in Miami-Dade appears to have worked on the Cuban and Venezuelan American communities. It was nasty, negative, and anti-Semitic. So while Biden will still win Miami-Dade, he’s not going to have the margin Clinton did in 2016. As of now Pinellas has swung and is swinging to Biden from Trump who won their in 2016. The panhandle will start reporting in 20 minutes, those counties should all go for Trump.

    With Pinellas swinging to Biden, what you’re watching for is whether Biden runs up his results in the other Democratic counties – Broward, Palm Beach, Duval, Orange, Leon, Hillsborough – enough to compensate for the swing to Trump in Miami-Dade. It is also important that as of now, Trump is underperforming his margins in the counties he won in 2016. In Sumter, he’s off by about 2%, which is where the Villages is located. So Florida is going to be very, very, very, very tight. I expect the final result will be within 2% whomever wins. And I expect that if Biden pulls it out it will be by less than 2%.

    This is why I’ve been saying for two months that unless Biden was leading in Florida in the final statewide polling by more than the margin of error, specifically by at least 6 if not 8 points, then he was going to loose Florida by 1 to 2%. I think it’s still possible Biden pulls Florida out, but if he does it is going to be a 1% win or less.

  23. 23.

    Tazj

    @Baud: Agreed. I can’t watch anything, they are all getting on my nerves. I hate everything right now.
    I’m going to do laundry for awhile.

  25. 25.

    PsiFighter37

    Texas early vote – not looking great in Harris. Denton is about the margin from 2018. Williamson (Austin suburbs) is a big swing. Thinking that Biden improves on Clinton but does not outpace Beto.

  30. 30.

    Pharniel

    I’ve just had my first three adrenal dumps of the night, and now get to shake off the nasty effects of adrenaline.

    Was doing so well up to this point.

    At least I haven’t had a full on panic attack yet. That should be fun.

    I’ve just go so much doom and gloom in my mind, and I know that the fascist strategy is to keep you from hoping and feeling alone, but damn has it been a rough year.

  34. 34.

    david

    “Democratic donors spent more than $100 million opposing Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, and he wins in one of quickest-called races of the night.”

    I’m sure this Amy McGrath is a nice lady and all, but Dems have wasted two election cycles and over $120 million and got nothing from her. This was $100 million that could have easily bought 3-4 low-population Western seats. They were never going to beat McConnell.

  36. 36.

    guachi

    Anyone have any insights into Georgia? It’s not moving to Biden as much as I thought. Georgia has steadily become more Democratic each election since 2004 but I’m not yet seeing that movement. If Biden wins the nation by 7-8 he should be about even in Georgia.

  37. 37.

    Yarrow

    NEW: Harris County has crossed 200k Election Day voters, and hit 65%+ turnout, our highest since 1992. If you're in line stay in line!— Lina Hidalgo (@LinaHidalgoTX) November 4, 2020

  45. 45.

    Adam L Silverman

    Everyone remember that North Carolina is holding its results for 45 minutes for some official reason. So nobody panic about not seeing anything from NC yet.

  48. 48.

    moops

    @david:   People gave money to her campaign, because Mitch fills them with anger and fear.  That wasn’t money in play for the other candidates.  It was money given to throw sand in Mitch’s eyes.  That money wasn’t fungible.

     

    It wasn’t my money.  I didn’t give to that campaign.

  49. 49.

    Adam L Silverman

    @guachi: There’s 9 counties around Atlanta that make up metro Atlanta. They’re reporting very slowly. Sit and squat…

  50. 50.

    Suzanne

    I dressed the baby up in a chicken costume and we all chicken danced in the living room. A new election night tradition.

  63. 63.

    guachi

    @Suzanne: Well, NC isn’t looking as good as predicted. Which is a kind of bad. I wouldn’t be surprised at this point if Trump takes NC, GA, and FL – all states Biden has slight polling leads in.

  64. 64.

    moops

    @guachi:   Georgia is where I’m expecting election irregularities.  Not freakshow like Florida, but concerted election tampering.

  66. 66.

    PsiFighter37

    NC looking like a nail biter. I think the big moral of the story here is that we have to have a high-touch GOTV game. We should be doing way better than we are. The pandemic is having a material impact on getting in touch with people.

  69. 69.

    J R in WV

    John:

    Do NOT turn on your TV — wife insists on having the news MSNBC or CNN all evening, even when there isn’t an election being conducted. The coverage is STUPID… they keep comparing Biden’s numbers to Hillary’s numbers.

    Hillary is not —  NOT — a candidate in this election. They keep predicting states will vote for Trump or Biden, when the counting is going on, and while PEOPLE ARE STILL VOTING~!!!!~

    I thought they were supposed to NOT call elections while voting was underway… but NO, Not now, THINGS ARE SO IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW~!!!!~

    Now dinner is prepared, and eaten, and I’m not sitting in front of wife’s laptop… which is CNN’s idiot spouting meaningless numbers, from their “magic wall” who named that????

  73. 73.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @guachi:

    If Biden wins PA and NC, along with the other Great Lakes states, minus OH, Biden wins outright, correct?

  81. 81.

    Pharniel

    @WaterGirl:

    I spent all of November & December 2017 in a worse state, so I’ve learned some advanced management skills.

    But I’m back to BJ on election night again, and it takes me back to 2008 and 2012.

    At least this time I’m not showing my entire ass to John Rogers in chat, so I’ve got that going for me.

    Did just watch the premiere of the Mandalorian and, yeah, that was solid Space Fantasy Western.

  83. 83.

    dmsilev

    ABC analyst is saying that Biden is running well ahead of Clinton in parts of NC such as the Research Triangle and various other counties. Fingers crossed.

  84. 84.

    Three-nineteen

    @Adam L Silverman: @Dagaetch:

    She didn’t know they were going to kill her character, but yes – Terry Farrell did not renew her contract for DS9.  She got cast on Becker with Ted Danson and offered to move to recurring for Season 7, but the producers declined.

  86. 86.

    Yarrow

    This is awful. I hate the media that insisted on making it a horse race when democracy was on the line. I hate the media for covering Trump like he was a normal person and not the Russian mob-owned sociopathic narcissist he is. I hate Zuckerberg and his mutant creation Facebook. Fuck all of those people.

  88. 88.

    different-church-lady

    I can’t drink tonight because I have to work tomorrow.

    I’m not seeing any outright terror from you folks so far…

  89. 89.

    guachi

    @zhena gogolia: We aren’t winning. At least not in FL, GA, or NC. And there are two Senate races in GA and one in NC. So “not winning” is an extra dose of not good. Still early in GA and NC but it’s not the kind of numbers you’d see if Biden was going to have a smashing electoral victory.

  92. 92.

    PsiFighter37

    Biden underperforming in RGV. Now I am worried that Arizona is going to be closer than we think, and Nevada may be challenging (despite Ralston’s assessments). After all the anti-Latino rhetoric to start the campaign, it seems like Trump is going to pick up support. People are fucking stupid, and apparently it’s not just white people.

  101. 101.

    piratedan

    no idea on gauchi’s references for NC are coming from, over on msnbc live feed, NC looks like its going well, Dems outperfoming on a good many counties by 3 to 5% over the 2016 numbers

  103. 103.

    guachi

    @Darkrose: No. The ballot count in NC is about 65%. And Biden’s lead is not as large as I’d hoped so it’s probable at this point that Cunningham and Biden both lose. Not a sure thing. But it’s more likely than a win.

  105. 105.

    JeffH

    @PsiFighter37: What data is reported? Is it all of it? Early voting, mail-in and in-person? If not, any data at this point is pretty meaningless because there’s going to be variation between those groups and we don’t know how much.

  107. 107.

    schrodingers_cat

    What about the mail-in-ballots? Do these projection on various news channels account for that. FWIW there is less doom posting on my Twitter feed than over here. I block or mute the sky-is-falling commentary over there.

  108. 108.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Sebastian: I lived down there for two years, believe me it is tempting. They are unlike the other big Cuban American populations in the US, which are in Tampa, NJ, NY city, and Chicago.

    The ones in Miami are the most reactionary, they are Bautistaites and Bautista was a Mussolini/Franco style fascist. They’re insular, clannish, and frankly mean.

    There are Cuban Americans in Miami who have lived there for over 60 years and either still don’t speak English because they refuse to learn it or pretend they don’t speak it to force everyone else to learn Spanish. I spent two years there repeating the mantra: “I will not let them make me prejudiced towards them”.

    Because the experience is the epitome of stereotypes both breakdown or are built up as the result of personal interactions.

    I had a friend in grad school who was from Spain. We went somewhere once and the woman working the kiosk apparently said something to me in Spanish, I explained I didn’t speak that much Spanish, and she then said something else to me in Spanish. My friend then let her have it in proper Castillan Spanish, then switched to English for my benefit. The woman looked like my friend, also a woman, had kicked her in the crotch.

    The most bigoted and prejudiced people in Miami are Cuban Americans and Orthodox Jews.

    One day I went across the street from the university to grab something from one of the fast food places. The young woman working the counter was having trouble working the register because she spoke very limited English. A line formed, people were upset, they were complaining in English, Spanish, and a combo of how stupid she was, why was it taking so long, was she retarded, etc. She got more and more flustered. I lost my shit. At the top of my lungs I said: “How about all you English-Spanish speakers actually offer to help her, she’s clearly trying hard, she’s working, her English isn’t as good as any of yours and my Spanish isn’t good enough to help, so instead of making things worse, how about someone help her?” You could suddenly hear a pin drop in the place. The young woman looked at me and smiled, though I’m pretty sure she didn’t understand 2/3rds of what I said.

    Had a similar problem with a Japanese exchange students on an internship I was asked to get from the airport, get checked in to housing, get her set up. When I took her over to HR at the university the Cuban American woman running the place started in on her because she wasn’t filling the forms out fast enough in English. I let her have it with both barrels. Told her flat out that if the student was from somewhere in Latin America, she’d never treat her this way, but because she’s Japanese it was okay. And I did it loud enough that dozens of people heard. By the time I got back to my department, where I was a grad assistant, I got told by my boss – a female professor – that 1) everyone had heard about the incident, 2) I did the right thing and she’d have loved to see it, but 3) I need to realize just how big a person I am and just how scary that can be when I get angry because apparently the woman was convinced I was going to kill her with my bare hands.

    Good times…

  109. 109.

    NoraLenderbee

    CNN is showing results as they come in for Senate. The numbers jump all over the place, every minute. Bollier 38% in KS. Next: Bollier 52%. It’s just noise.watching every flutter is crazy-making.

    P.S. I am terrified.

  110. 110.

    low-tech cyclist

    @Omnes Omnibus:@Suzanne: When did you get into the ether supply?

    “The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. And I knew we’d get into that rotten stuff pretty soon.”

    -Hunter Thompson, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

  112. 112.

    Adam L Silverman

    @pamelabrown53: I don’t think he’s going to pull Florida out. As I’ve been saying here for two months, if Biden wasn’t up by 6% or more in the final polling, outside of the margin of error in the polling, he was going to loose the state by about 2%. And I think that’s what is going to happen.

  113. 113.

    HumboldtBlue

    Sweet Jesus beating a poll worker with a hanging chad, the doom and gloom in this thread is enough to make one toss the computer out the window.

    Can we at least wait until 10-1030 or so EST before the fucking panic sets in?

  114. 114.

    Anya

    I haven’t checked twitter or any other site. I am completely on blackout until few minutes ago and someone posted demographics and looks like Hispanic vote is way down. Is it as awful as I am feeling?

    I hope this is not 2016 all over again.

  115. 115.

    lurker

    @Adam L Silverman:  We could just re-make them as commonwealths. That distinction seems to be pretty important. Virginia, Massachusetts, Kentucky and Pennsylvania all have those clearly communist leanings and leftist aspects that come from being a commonwealth.

    Oddly enough, the original state constitution that seems pretty left-leaning to me is Alaska. Go figure.

  117. 117.

    different-church-lady

    @HumboldtBlue: For me the panic set in four years ago and never really set out.

    I’m taking solace in the quick call of Virginia. In 2016 I first knew there was trouble coming when Hillary struggled there.

  120. 120.

    Elie

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Child, everyone will have committed supuku by 10:30…. These folks are swirling down the election rabit hole — no mercy.  Still, I believe things will start turning around in the next half hour or so…. lets all of us just hang on…

  121. 121.

    germy

    In A Surprise To No One, Kellyanne Conway Confirms We Will Hear From Trump Tonight
    Appearing on ABC News, Conway — who formerly served as White House counselor — said we can expect to hear from the President tonight.

    “The President is expected to address the nation later from the East Room of the White House,” Conway said.

    (TPM)

  122. 122.

    Sebastian

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Re that woman berating the Japanese student:

    Good, she will remember it.

     

    As to the asshats in Miami, we could revisit the dry-foot policy and do some COINT assessments.

  126. 126.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Tentin Quarantino @agraybee·47m
    Memories of 2018 when Gillum narrowly lost Florida and the Chernoybil-level meltdown on here because it meant Democrats lost the midterms.

    Nate Silver @NateSilver538·53m
    What we know so far: * Trump looks good in Florida. * Beyond that… not much, I’d say, since Trump’s overperformance vs. polls/2016 in Florida looks mostly to be concentrated among Cubans, which may not tell us much about other states.

  128. 128.

    different-church-lady

    I should look away for a bit.

    I can’t look away.

    I’m going to try to not melt down like I did last time.

  129. 129.

    guachi

    For me, the tension is finding a state that will flip to Biden. Just waiting for that first state.

  134. 134.

    Timurid

    If you told me six months ago that Biden could be in real contention in Texas and still in deep trouble…

  138. 138.

    Quinerly

    @Elie: my grip is fine. I’m following on MSNBC and online. Trump is doing better in Florida than 2016. That’s a fact at this point.

  139. 139.

    cain

    @HumboldtBlue:

    I bought two cigars – one for Biden declared winner, and one when he takes the oath – they are not CUBAN – but Nicaraguan – so fuck those people and their votes. :-)

    ETA: no offense to the Cubans in Cuba :-)

  142. 142.

    Yarrow

    CNN seems to be saying Virginia isn’t called yet. I thought someone said Virginia was called for Biden?

  143. 143.

    guachi

    @John S.: Biden’s lead has gone from 13% to 5% in a very short period of time. I think it was 13% as soon as the early vote hit.

    It doesn’t take a genius to see that Biden isn’t doing as well in NC as expected.

  145. 145.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Timurid: He isn’t in deep trouble.  Calm the fuck down.  There will be time to panic later if we need to do it.  This is not the time.

    I am a couple of minutes away from taking a two hour break from this place.

  148. 148.

    piratedan

    @Yarrow: AP called Virginia for Biden, none of the networks have based on what I have seen.  So… we wait, NVa is notoriously slow to come in

  152. 152.

    Adam L Silverman

    Fulton County, GA will not be in till tomorrow because of a burst pipe.

  153. 153.

    Yarrow

    CNN says Trump is overperforming in only one county in Ohio. He’s underperforming in a bunch of his counties. Biden overperforming in a whole bunch of them. Biden not underperforming in any Ohio county.

  155. 155.

    mdblanche

    @AliceBlue: For me this election night is feeling a lot like a repeat of 2018. Going in with positive indicators, panic sets in early and America’s syphilitic wang disappoints. I’m holding on to how things eventually turned around that night.

  157. 157.

    guachi

    @Yarrow: AP map I see called VA for Biden. Though the vote total I’m seeing has Trump ahead 58-40 with 38%  reporting. So I’m guessing they see something that indicates Biden will win.

  158. 158.

    Anya

    What good did Trump do for the Latina community? Arguably, it’s the group he’s actively harmed the most. He caged children and basically portrayed them as rapists and killers.

  163. 163.

    Kent

    @lurker:Oddly enough, the original state constitution that seems pretty left-leaning to me is Alaska. Go figure.

    That was written before they discovered oil and all the Texans moved in.

  164. 164.

    Citizen Alan

    @Subsole: I know. It’s just … really hard  to stay calm when you genuinely believe (as I do) that you’ll be dead in two years of Trump wins.

  171. 171.

    guachi

    @cain: Same thing happened in 2016. I was saying it didn’t look as good for Clinton as we had hoped. People called me names. Told me to chill.

    But saying “not looking as good in NC as I’d like” isn’t saying Biden will lose. It’s just bad in the sense that there’s a Senate race there I think many of us were counting on as a D win.

  173. 173.

    OGLiberal

    @Anya: It will be interesting to see the gender breakdowns among the Hispanics and black in the  areas where Trump made gains with those voters…in any state. My guess is that they will skew very heavily male.

  174. 174.

    lurker

    a long long time ago, I can still remember …

    when I skipped election night

    someone had scheduled a youth activity for that night (the regular first tuesday of the month fell on election day in 2016 – imagine that).  the meeting went off as planned.  I was there with one of our children as per usual.  Got a call toward the end of the meeting from home “Is it possible Trump could win this?”

    This year I lobbied hard for a non-profit to have our usual first tuesday of the month board meeting tonight.  Did not succeed.  Thinking I may have to get back to work projects I need to finish.  Likely better for my mental health.

     

    (apologies to Don Maclean)

  175. 175.

    Pharniel

    @Subsole: Epsom salt baths. Breathing.

     

    All things I’ve had to master since an adverse reaction to the drugs were have to calm people down.

  176. 176.

    Jerzy Russian

    @Baud:

     

    I would love to get Ohio.

    You were my first choice in the primary, but right now I hope Biden gets Ohio.

  177. 177.

    PsiFighter37

    Looking like Biden’s campaign lost the thread on Hispanic voters. Getting blown in Nevada caucuses during the primaries maybe should have been a forewarning.

  180. 180.

    John S.

    @Subsole: I get it. I lived in the totally fucked up state of Florida. It sucks here, every fucking election for the past 20 years (with a brief respite during the Obama years).

    But Biden never needed Florida, and so far everything seems to be playing out mostly as expected.

  181. 181.

    PsiFighter37

    ETA: If I have to think of who is going to save our bacon this year…it is going to be suburban white women.

  182. 182.

    sdhays

    I’m trying to be calm and just stick around here and occasionally check in on TPM. TPM is using the AP data and has Biden up by ~9% with over 50% of the votes counted in Ohio. Hovering over some of the major Democratic counties, it sure looks like there are a lot of Democratic votes yet to cast, and 9% is a nice lead for over %50 of the votes counted.

    If we’re going to freak out over Florida, which was always questionable, can we have some guarded optimism about Ohio? At least for a few minutes?

    ETA: I see I type way too slowly.

  183. 183.

    piratedan

    @guachi: you’re phrasing needs work if that’s the message you’re trying to convey…. all of your posts are being interpreted pretty much as “MELTDOWN MELTDOWN” or if you prefer Kevin Bacon mode from Animal House…

  186. 186.

    WhatsMyNym

    Some of you couldn’t survive the wait in Washington for local elections that are tight.  The counties have until the 24th to finish counting. And our Republican SOS just emphasized that before the election (she is up for reelection as well).

  188. 188.

    Elie

    @OGLiberal:

     

    I’m not sure how they have done the demographic breaks but with hispanics there are White hispanics and Black hispanics.  Counting them may result in strange double counts as many Cuban hispanics in S Florida are white but Venesuelan hispanics who vote for Trump may consider themselves Black. It starts getting confusing so I wouldnt try to interpret too much tonight

  189. 189.

    different-church-lady

    @Adam L Silverman: I dunno if I ever sufficiently expressed thanks for that effort. I had sent email directly to Cole letting him know I was on a news and internet embargo, but I assume it got lost in the doom.

  191. 191.

    PsiFighter37

    @Suzanne: I understand, but it sure seems like Biden is underperforming with Cubans (Florida) and Mexican-Americans (Texas). It seems like he is having a demographic-wide problem there. The thing that will (maybe) save us is that white suburban voters in more Latino-light states in the North will save the day.

  192. 192.

    RinaX

    @sdhays:

    I’m optimistic about Ohio. I’ve been waiting for the Midwestern states, tbh. As a Floridian, I never counted on FL, so there’s no disappointment there.

  194. 194.

    Yarrow

    @Citizen Alan:

    It’s just … really hard  to stay calm when you genuinely believe (as I do) that you’ll be dead in two years of Trump wins.

    Right there with you. I’m dead if Trump wins. This election is existential.

  197. 197.

    Calouste

    New Mexico immediately called for Biden. That’s good news, because quite a few forecasters only has that as “likely D” not “solid D’.

  199. 199.

    Matt McIrvin

    @guachi: VA usually flips blue late because of the northern Virginia vote. Very little of Fairfax County is in and that is usually deep blue.

  201. 201.

    lurker

    @Kent: Not to quibble much – I think (did not witness) that it was generally known there was oil up there.  However, the big oil boom and the migration of folks from Oklahoma and Texas (according to my self-described okie relatives) definitely came after the Alaska constitution was written.

     

    Pretty amazing that a guy like Ted Stevens could have been significantly involved in writing that document, given where he wound up politically.

  202. 202.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Suzanne: and a big Venezuelan community in FL who don’t like the S word, and a state Democratic Party that has historically done very poorly in reaching out to the non-Cuban Latin community. Rick Scott made IIRC seven very showy trips to Puerto Rico after Maria, before the Senate vote. Bill Nelson thought being an astronaut was enough.

  203. 203.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Quinerly: Fulton’s votes are delayed because a pipe burst at the State Farm Arena, which is where the tallying is being done. No votes were damaged, but it delayed the canvass of the ballots. They expect they’ll have it done tomorrow, but if Georgia is close, those votes will make the difference one way or the other.

  204. 204.

    Citizen Alan

    @guachi: It is a fundamental (and almost universal) error of methodology to lump Cuban-Americans in with Latinos from Central America. The latter came here to escape repressive societies and build a better life for themselves. The former came here because the fascist they supported got overthrown by the communist they didn’t. I’m not terribly surprised that Cuban-Americans would embrace America’s Batista.

  205. 205.

    Emma from FL

    @guachi: There is no such thing as a Hispanic vote. There are as many types of “Hispanics” as there are types of “Europeans.”

  206. 206.

    sdhays

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: If Dump is doing abnormally well in the rest of the state, you might be able to extrapolate something, but if he’s underperforming, I would think the answer is no.

    Georgia is the one I really want to see as an “extra” because I want those two Senate seats too. I’m looking to the states that fucked us last time to do the right thing this time, and so far, I’m still cautiously optimistic.

  207. 207.

    Subsole

    @PsiFighter37: If I had to guess? Machismo. There is a strong subsection of the Tejano community that does not like gays, blacks, immigrants, or women who don’t know their place.

  210. 210.

    Emma from FL

    @Citizen Alan: And fuck you. There are at least three waves of Cubans in Florida. Good luck attracting the younger ones with that attitude. I swear to Christ Democrats are as bad as Republicans with their easy judgments and disdainful opinions.

    How does one use the pie filter, please?

  215. 215.

    sdhays

    I’ve got to say, the map on TPM is looking pretty good for Biden in NC right now. 78% reporting with Biden ahead by 3% and it looks like some significant Democratic counties still with a lot to report.

    ETA: Ugh – For North Carolina.

  217. 217.

    mousebumples

    @PsiFighter37: ETA: If I have to think of who is going to save our bacon this year…it is going to be suburban white women.

    Black women have had our back for years. As a suburban white woman, I’m happy to try to do my part here. (not that my vote as an anti-Trumper has changed in 4 years … )

     

    And thanks to Watergirl for the reminder about the pie filter. I can doomscroll on my own, on Twitter. I don’t need to see doom and gloom here either. It’s too soon to start getting all het up over fucking Florida.

  223. 223.

    WaterGirl

    @Jerzy Russian: Ah, to my eyes it looked like a minus sign!  Thank you.  :-)

    My choice at the moment, because my laptop is low on power, is to be in the room where the light is either glaringly bright or not bright enough.  I’m going with not bright enough, hence the tilde problem.

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    Jinchi

    @WaterGirl: People who reply to someone you pied are also pied.

    Really? For everything or just the reply comment?

    (I used to comment at a blog where a front pager would often engage with the commentariat, say something stupid, and then delete his own comment once the masses piled on. It made reading the responses very interesting after a while, since you’d wonder what the heck he said to get that reaction.)

  229. 229.

    Adam L Silverman

    @different-church-lady: If you expected Cole to read his email, let alone inform any of the rest of us, I have a bridge to sell you.

    That said, you are quite welcome. But if you do that again, email me, not Cole.

  232. 232.

    artem1s

    270toWin has good maps and numbers on actual reports.  updating live.  you can click down to the county level if you want.

  234. 234.

    Kent

    @lurker:

    @Kent: Not to quibble much – I think (did not witness) that it was generally known there was oil up there.  However, the big oil boom and the migration of folks from Oklahoma and Texas (according to my self-described okie relatives) definitely came after the Alaska constitution was written.

    Pretty amazing that a guy like Ted Stevens could have been significantly involved in writing that document, given where he wound up politically.

    Well yeah.  I spent 10 years in Alaska.  Before the 1970s oil boom it was mostly fishermen and Native groups and a few pioneer areas.  Fishermen back then were very Dem and unionized even in some fisheries like the halibut schooner fishery.  The corporate canneries from Seattle were the arch enemies.

    The oil boom is what changed the state.  Also the expansion of the military bases because so many soldiers got stationed up there and then a lot of the redneck ones stayed around for the hunting and fishing

    Ted Stevens was actually not that bad of a guy by today’s GOP standards.

  235. 235.

    WaterGirl

    @Emma from FL: Look for the cherry pie that is just above the circle with the number of comments in it, before the comments start.

    Click on the cherry pie, and you’ll see a list of commenters.  Scroll down til you find your person, or start typing their name in the search field.  Click on it, and you’ll pie the person you clicked on.

    Click the X to close the box.  Your pied person will show up as dessert.

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    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @mdblanche: Exactly. I was feeling at best a little meh on Wednesday morning in 2018. It took weeks for the news of the election results to get as good as it got.

    I know this. I know the results tonight are nonsense. First quarter with 8-1/2 innings left to go and just rounding the first turn (feel free to toss your own sports in there). Yet I keep obsessively updating. Trying to do other things but I’ve got 3 different vote tracker tabs up AND I DON’T BELIEVE ANY OF THEM!!!!

    I need to have a serious talk with myself about self-discipline.

    Don’t know what it means, but MSNBC only shows 141 EV total (80-61 Biden), while NPR and the New Yorker are showing 213 (119-94) and 211 (119-92). I guess MSNBC is being a little more prudent about wild-ass projections.

    Edit: And MSNBC just changed to 89-54. Trump’s projected count went down. So much for any finality of those projections.

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    hilts

    Even if Biden wins this race, I’ll still be ashamed of this goddamn country.  230,000 Americans died because of Trump’s unprecedented and unforgivable stupidity.  He’s the dumbest, most corrupt, and most sadistic President in modern memory.  Every day for the past 4 years, he or his surrogates have told a string of lies.  On numerous occasions, he has incited violence among his supporters.  He should be losing in an epic landslide.  I only hope that every person who voted for this monster burns in Hell for eternity!

  243. 243.

    WaterGirl

    @Jinchi:

    Let’s say you pie me.  My comments show up as dessert.

    Omnes replies to my comment (let’s say comment #5).

    The reply from Omnes, to my comment number #5, also shows as dessert.

    But every other comment from Omnes that is not a reply to me shows up as a normal comment.

  246. 246.

    artem1s

    so far Joe is getting the turnout he needs in Cuyahoga Co, Ohio.  But there is something weird going on around Dayton.  Those counties NEVER vote blue.

  250. 250.

    lurker

    @Kent: have had various connections to AL without living there.  From what I saw of the 90s and early 00s, Stevens moved with the party.  Seemed more reasonable when I was becoming politically aware and then seemed to drift rightward.  Of course, I remember Republicans easily winning in California too.

  251. 251.

    Adam L Silverman

  254. 254.

    mousebumples

    @NotMax: If Milwaukee County is reporting late because of crazy turnout, I will take it.  Lots of votes take longer to count. Lemme have allll the blue Biden votes, please. *fingers crossed

  255. 255.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    Tonight’s results are as meaningful as the Jump Program.

    “What does that mean?”

    “It doesn’t mean anything.”

    It would be nice if Biden does end the night projected to win without the early votes. But mainly for schadenfreude purposes. That’s still not the election.

    Yes, I’m largely talking to myself here.

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