Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Every one of the “Roberts Six” lied to get on the court.

Sitting here in limbo waiting for the dice to roll

Trumpflation is an intolerable hardship for every American, and it’s Trump’s fault.

Wake up. Grow up. Get in the fight.

Republicans don’t lie to be believed, they lie to be repeated.

Republicans firmly believe having an abortion is a very personal, very private decision between a woman and J.D. Vance.

Hi god, it’s us. Thanks a heap, you’re having a great week and it’s only Thursday!

Consistently wrong since 2002

They are lying in pursuit of an agenda.

The gop is a fucking disgrace.

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

Do we throw up our hands or do we roll up our sleeves? (hint, door #2)

🎶 Those boots were made for mockin’ 🎵

Not so fun when the rabbit gets the gun, is it?

Some judge needs to shut this circus down soon.

People identifying as christian while ignoring christ and his teachings is a strange thing indeed.

This isn’t Democrats spending madly. This is government catching up.

Jack Smith: “Why did you start campaigning in the middle of my investigation?!”

Putting aside our relentless self-interest because the moral imperative is crystal clear.

Giving up is unforgivable.

Republicans in disarray!

There are more Russians standing up to Putin than Republicans.

Sadly, there is no cure for stupid.

When they say they are pro-life, they do not mean yours.

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Anne Laurie found this excellent advice, that we thought would be great for sharing tonight:

Guide to upsetting election stories, from Steve Inskeep

Wait before sharing upsetting election stories.

People want to manipulate you.

What’s the source?

Is it a news org with editors?

Looks big on Twitter, but is it just a local incident?

Repeat #1. Anything truly important will still be there in an hour.

???

JeffreyW found gem, and excerpt from Gary Hart, that I thought was worth sharing:

A note from Gary Hart at Keep Our Republic

In a matter of hours, we will not only select a national leader, we will conduct a national referendum on our character as a people, a society, and a nation.

Like the Biblical prodigal son, we will come home from squandering our inheritance and seek redemption in the eyes of history and the world.

This election is about history, justice, and hope.  It is about who we Americans truly are.

Mr. Heaney’s translation of this story of redemption is best known today for the passage beloved of many candidates, including this one, and now Joe Biden on the eve of the 2020 presidential election:

History says, Don’t hope
on this side of the grave.
But then, once in a lifetime
the longed for tidal wave
of justice can rise up,
and hope and history rhyme.

This is where we find ourselves, longing for the tidal wave of justice, and praying that hope and history will once more rhyme again.

Anne Laurie expects to be away from the computer until later this evening.  Seeing it as it unfolds could be nerve-wracking, but I’m not brave enough to walk away and find out the results all at once!

 

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  18. 18.

    Kay

    @Emma from FL:

    He probably could have pulled it out but for Miami Dade. Would have been close, but he might have got it. He actually won the “bellweather” county. So not much of a bellweather.

  20. 20.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    Do the FL results include the early votes?

    Despite my best intentions to pay no attention till 9 or 10 pm, I have a news program on screen. It’s MSNBC. Not watching or listening to the video, but I do have their interactive toy up on the screen.

    They’re projecting only VT (Biden) and IN (Trump) so far. That’s based on 3% and 12% of the precincts, respectively.

    Can we please remember the 101 million uncounted early and mail in votes before we start hyperventilating?

  23. 23.

    PsiFighter37

    @Emma from FL: Trump has 67% in The Villages, which Dave Wasserman had said would be good for Biden. But that is not the case when you look at Miami-Dade. Trump is on track to win by an even wider margin in 2020 v. 2016. Fucking Florida.

  25. 25.

    piratedan

    and I say this will all due cynicism, the networks want to drag this out for as long as possible, they have a horse-race narrative they need to sell, so by-gum you’re gonna get it good and hard.

  27. 27.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @Immanentize: Not getting into any cat fights, but thanks for the offer.

    I’d say my mood and posts the last couple weeks months have been about 2/3 cautiously optimistic, 1/3 waking up in a cold sweat.

    Over the last week I’ve moved into “confident that we got this” and in the last 24 hours into “beginning to suspect we’ll have it on Tuesday night.” But I’m steeling myself for disappointment on that last score because it’s a lot to hope for.

    And I’m still expecting a chaos of court cases.

  29. 29.

    Peale

    @PsiFighter37: yep. Even if we win tonight, I’d like to know what happened there. It makes me nervous. There shouldn’t be that many switchers in our stronghold.

  34. 34.

    Immanentize

    @Peale: Miami is always a mess.  Influx of anti-Maduro Venezuelans (wealthy) is a new phenomenon.  But let’s look at Orlando?  Influx of Puerto Ricans.  Broward is the Dem county.  Always more than Dade

  37. 37.

    Quinerly

    Re Florida… Trump doing better than 2016 in Miami Dade. Biden doing worse than Clinton. Biden seems to be doing a little better than Clinton everywhere else in Florida. That’s my read.

  38. 38.

    PsiFighter37

    Trump is going to win Florida. You can book it. I figured Florida would be tough, but this is just a dismal showing. Embarrassing. So much for Bloomberg’s $100mm doing anything.

  44. 44.

    Winston

    The by mail votes and early votes in Florida are gross numbers only sorted by party affiliation. They say nothing about the votes within. Like how many Gopees voted for Biden or Dems for Trump or how Independents actually split their votes. The PTB down here have been saying this all week. The actual votes cannot be released until the panhandle closes at 8 pm. You got 14 minutes to go.

  45. 45.

    Jinchi

    @Subsole: He hasn’t lost Miami-Dade. But it sounds like he didn’t bank the large number of votes that Democrats typically do there.

  46. 46.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @Suzanne: MSNBC is showing Biden up 49.9% – 49.1% in FL based on 79% of the vote. 70,000 vote margin out of 9 million votes.

    Edit: OK, I don’t know what these numbers are since FL polls are still open from discussion I’m reading up thread.

    Just checked PA where polls are also still open. The MSNBC map shows 7 votes for Biden and 4 for Trump. Is that a poll of some producer’s watch party?

  47. 47.

    Mo MacArbie

    Talking Points Memo has the AP maps. Biden’s up by 2 with 78% of the estimated vote in.

  50. 50.

    John S.

    @Quinerly: That’s a good read. And 150,000 votes lost by Biden in Miami Dade are being made up in 10,000 increments across multiple counties throughout the state where Trump is underperforming.

    I’ve voted in Florida for 24 years. It ain’t over until it’s over here.

  51. 51.

    Immanentize

    @SiubhanDuinne: Other Joyce via Finnagan’s Wake:

    So snug he was in his hotel premises sumptuous
    But soon we’ll bonfire all his trash, tricks and trumpery
    And’ tis short till sheriff Clancy’ll be winding up his unlimited company.

  52. 52.

    guachi

    I’m sad about Florida. I want Biden to flip SOMETHING. But it doesn’t look like it’s Florida. :(

  55. 55.

    Quinerly

    @PsiFighter37: my read is if Biden had done as good or a little better than Clinton in Miami Dade, would have taken Florida. But I’m having problems keeping up on MSNBC.

  57. 57.

    PsiFighter37

    @Quinerly: If he had done as well, it would be close. But it seems like Biden is barely over performing in Florida outside of Miami, while he is heavily underperforming in Miami. Trump probably wins the state by 3-5%.

  60. 60.

    piratedan

    @guachi: not done yet, one trend looks less than optimal, but others more so… it appears that Biden is under performing in Miami-Dade but performing better elsewhere… have to simply wait and see…

  62. 62.

    John S.

    @Quinerly: Yes it is, but not a huge amount of votes in the panhandle. Trump is under in many other red counties, and he needs to perform or overperform in the panhandle.

  67. 67.

    guachi

    Reminds me of 2016 when people said “wait and see” when it was clear Clinton wouldn’t win a particular state.

    Just chalk Florida up as a loss and move on to tracking a different state. At least I can say I didn’t predict Biden would win Florida. Guess I’ll follow NC and GA now.

  74. 74.

    PsiFighter37

    Folks – Biden is going to lose FL. It doesn’t matter that the vote isn’t done. He is underperforming in the most populous county in the state by 20%. He is over performing by far, far less elsewhere. That equals a loss. It also means Debbie Murcasal-Powell is probably toast as well.

  77. 77.

    guachi

    Not much movement in Georgia to Biden. There is some, but not yet enough to consider it lean Biden yet.

  80. 80.

    dmsilev

    John King saying the Dade County vote is early IN PERSON vote.— Brian Rosenwald (@brianros1) November 4, 2020

    Would seem to be an important detail to get straight… Any confirmation/denial from other outlets?

  84. 84.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Quinerly: The great state of Wisconsin thanks you but wonders why the fuck you chose one of its worst beers when there are so many good ones?

  90. 90.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    OK, this whole thing is an information-presentation nightmare.

    Just checked the map at NPR to get another viewpoint. They show VA colored blue. Click on it and they show a checkmark next to Biden’s name. And the percentages? 39% Biden, 60% Trump. WTF?

    I’m beginning to suspect that every number on every one of these interactive toys is complete garbage.

  93. 93.

    Quinerly

    @Omnes Omnibus: my basement drinking canned beer. I do live two blocks from the largest American brewery and a hitch of Clydesdales… AB. I got pissed when the Busches sold out. Plus, other reasons…

  97. 97.

    dmsilev

    Big chunk of (presumably early) Texas votes just dropped, and Biden picked up a lot of those.

  98. 98.

    WaterGirl

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    Currently:

    Biden: 820,499 61%

    Trump: 529, 936 39%

    This is a good example of how it would be helpful if we all make sure to clarify in a comment what state you are talking about.

    This is the third comment I’ve seen like this, so not picking on Goku, just figured by the time i saw it 3 times, it was worth suggesting.

  99. 99.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Luciamia: finishing up the Double Diamond* I opened with my salmon.  Moving on to Eight Years in the Desert.  Hoping not to need the Franzia Blush Zinfandel** like in 2016….

    *for those updating their dossiers, Double Diamond has replaced long-time champion Caymus as my college football game day wine of choice

    **do I actually have this?  As if!

  100. 100.

    John S.

    @Winston: Nah, the only count in Florida that matters is Miami Dade. ?

    But seriously, Biden may have lost Florida. It’s certainly not looking great. But until the votes are counted, nothing is certain. Or did everyone forget 2000 when the margin was literally a few hundred votes?

  101. 101.

    NobodySpecial

    I am really heartened by early results in Texas: The Guardian reports Tarrant County over 2/3 counted and Trump is up by less than 1k votes there. That’s a real bad sign for him.

  103. 103.

    Emma from FL

    @James E Powell: They always do. And they are never quite right. Florida started counting mail-in ballots this morning, I think. Question is are they sorting them by voter affiliation or is it an actual vote? Because I would be counted as an independent and my vote not entered into the actual count until it was actually read by the machines.

  108. 108.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @WaterGirl:

    It’s Ohio.

    Currently:

    Biden: 1,068,602 67%

    Trump: 529,936 33%

    I presume this is from a lot of early votes, both absentee and in-person. I believe somewhere around 3 million early votes were cast this election, 53% of 2016’s totals

  111. 111.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: They’ve got some kind of model that projects Biden is going to win Virginia based on how they think votes are distributed across the state, and how well he’s doing in the places where they have numbers. Since Virginia polled as a safe blue state this cycle (unlike 2016, where Clinton had to actually fight for it), they didn’t need to see much to be convinced there wasn’t an unusual red wave there. (I’ve watched Virginia for many years since I used to live there–the bluest votes always come in late, from NoVa.)

    Personally, I think they shouldn’t be doing this. But it’s what they do.

  112. 112.

    pamelabrown53

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    So far, there is as much chaos as what I perceive from the networks horse race people. Doom sayers pronouncing defeat  on seriously incomplete data. Before all the Florida polls have closed!

    I hope this isn’t indicative of the whole evening!

  114. 114.

    Elie

    Fer Chrissakes people — He doesnt NEED Florida!! Can we move on now…  Yeah it would have been nice, but that is all… Lets not demoralize ourselves with this kinda conversation ok?

  115. 115.

    guachi

    We’ll know a lot more at about 8:15 when NC starts reporting results. One polling location was allowed to stay open 45 minutes longer so instead of results at 7:30 it’s results at 8:15.

  116. 116.

    pamelabrown53

    @guachi:

    Why would we move on before all the Florida polls have closed?

    Please reply…maybe you have a semblance of a good reason.

  117. 117.

    cain

    @AliceBlue:

    That’s what I was trying to tell my brother – my mom and my brother are all crying in their cups already. My brother is the forever pessimist. In any case, let’s see if our older generation bring it out for our guy and we can flip it.

  121. 121.

    Tony Jay

    Glancing through the BBC Election page and I notice they have Trump over Biden 63% to 37% in NC with 0% of votes counted.

    Something seems odd about that, but I have been drinking.

  127. 127.

    cain

    @Elie:

    Fer Chrissakes people — He doesnt NEED Florida!! Can we move on now…  Yeah it would have been nice, but that is all… Lets not demoralize ourselves with this kinda conversation ok?

    People want it to be early sooner – because we’re all a bunch of nervous nail biters. Go hit the respite thread ;)

  130. 130.

    guachi

    @pamelabrown53: Because dwelling on a lost cause is a waste of your time. The Panhandle won’t vote for Biden.

    I’m going to play Civ 6 for a bit instead of stressing myself out like I did in 2016.

  132. 132.

    Elie

    @cain:

    Don’t need it, man.  We still have to pace ourselves — you don’t burn out your engine on the first oval — lets try to do SOME KIND of rational pacing or we are all going to jump over the cliff in an hour….

  135. 135.

    OGLiberal

    @cain: Yeah, I wanted to go to bed early, dammit!  Panhandle coming in – Trump, per AP, has small but steady lead.  We need to look elsewhere.  The irony that Biden is going to lose Florida to a racist because he way underperformed with Hispanic and Black voters where it really mattered.

  136. 136.

    Evap

    @WaterGirl: it’s Georgia.  Fulton county is the largest county and mostly Dem.  some problem with counting  and they may not report all tonight

  141. 141.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    Exercising some self-discipline. Walking away from this thread for at least an hour.

  143. 143.

    dmsilev

    @Evap:

    What’s up with Ohio?  Biden way ahead with 35% reporting

    It’s all (or most) early/mail-in, which is D-heavy.

  144. 144.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @OGLiberal:

    You’re right. The link I posted just updated and it’s much closer in terms of total votes:

    Biden: 1,414,724 57%

    Trump: 1,064, 114 43%

  149. 149.

    Kent

    Folks, if you post numbers, post the name of the state, not some link to a previous upstream post.  Please???

  151. 151.

    Kent

    @OGLiberal:@cain: Yeah, I wanted to go to bed early, dammit!  Panhandle coming in – Trump, per AP, has small but steady lead.  We need to look elsewhere.  The irony that Biden is going to lose Florida to a racist because he way underperformed with Hispanic and Black voters where it really mattered.

    Old Cubans in Miami Dade.   They can be racist as hell.  Think Ted Cruz.

  152. 152.

    Winston

    @pamelabrown53: Polk is 9th largest county in Fla; Lakeland is twice as large as #2 Winter Haven. County has about 500,000 registered voters, 725,000 pop. 35% red, 30% blue , 30% NAP and 5% other. Elections are close and the  median age is older.

  153. 153.

    John S.

    @OGLiberal: The mind truly boggles that Trump would get an appreciable amount of votes in Florida from any demographic other than white people. Except Cubans.

    They would vote for a broom handle as long as it were a Republican.

  157. 157.

    Tony Jay

    @Matt McIrvin:

    So tiny they don’t even get a decimal point to share between them. I’ve driven through places like that over here. Never sure if it’s a town or a slightly sprawling second home.

    I think I’ll sack out and check to see how the fate of the Realms of Men fares come the morrow. Hopefully Arse Failingson has sank with all hands off the shores of Valinor.

  158. 158.

    Elie

    @Kent:

     

    Hate to say it but his running mate is Black.  Cubans are racist as hell.  So are many other hispanics — not necessarily a lot of love lost with Blacks — sorry to say that for real but there it is…  Esp in a tight race… Florida is ALWAYS tight

  159. 159.

    OGLiberal

    @John S.: Even more than appreciable.  Almost all of Trumps gains are in majority minority precincts in Florida and they are pretty big – Majority Black, +3; Majority Hispanic, +11; Majority Cuban, +11. (this is per Nate Cohn)  All of Biden’s gains v. Hillary were with white folks and/older folks and the gains were much smaller – the largest was +2.5 with folks over age 65.

  160. 160.

    OGLiberal

    @Kent: How many of them are left?  I mean, I thought most of them skedaddled from Cuban in the late 50s and they weren’t exactly little kids.

    And did it matter with Obama?  He won FL twice.

  161. 161.

    John S.

    @OGLiberal: Aside from the Cubans, I really don’t get it. And I’m white (well sort of — Jews don’t count with white supremacists).

    I just don’t see the appeal with Trump for any of those other groups given the man’s track record.

  163. 163.

    John S.

    Wow, that QAnon nut job Marjorie Greene won the House race IN GA-14.

    That really is the future of the GOP.

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