Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Accused of treason; bitches about the ratings. I am in awe.

I really should read my own blog.

Incompetence, fear, or corruption? why not all three?

Glad to see john eastman going through some things.

It’s a doggy dog world.

Today’s GOP: why go just far enough when too far is right there?

Their freedom requires your slavery.

I conferred with the team and they all agree – still not tired of winning!

It’s always darkest before the other shoe drops.

Motto for the House: Flip 5 and lose none.

T R E 4 5 O N

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

Not so fun when the rabbit gets the gun, is it?

You can’t attract Republican voters. You can only out organize them.

A lot of Dems talk about what the media tells them to talk about. Not helpful.

When do we start airlifting the women and children out of Texas?

Ah, the different things are different argument.

They were going to turn on one another at some point. It was inevitable.

Trump’s legal defense is going to be a dumpster fire inside a clown car on a derailing train.

Happy indictment week to all who celebrate!

DeSantis transforms Florida into 1930s Germany with gators and theme parks.

Take your GOP plan out of the witness protection program.

Republicans want to make it harder to vote and easier for them to cheat.

I’d hate to be the candidate who lost to this guy.

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  1. 1.

    Cheryl Rofer

    James Palmer’s tweet – that American politics is capable of changing faster than you might think – is why I am ignoring the linear extrapolations of undesirable behaviors from the Trump times.

    Leadership matters, and Joe and Kamala clearly have it.

  2. 2.

    trollhattan

    Ahhh, I do feel better. Going for a bike ride, that’ll help. Avoiding beflagged trucks while out.

  3. 3.

    pacem appellant

    I’m able to breathe again, but it might be the Xanax. White house is almost a lock. Now, how do we get GA to give us the two Senators we need to shut McConnell up?

  5. 5.

    piratedan

    AZ has not been called by the Grey Lady and NBC yet has it?

    and while things look good, I’m not doing any fucking victory laps until its a done fucking deal… I will be happy to join the party once the balloons drop.

    and I hate being a godammed eeyore

  8. 8.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    Biden had a lot to overcome:

    “This country was founded on white supremacy and hatred. Put racism and hatred on the ballot and the quintessence of this country is on display. White supremacy permeates every facet of our society. This is who we are.  It is in these dark moments that I question whether there is anything about America worth trying to save.”–Douglas Williams-Smith

    And yet, we keep trying.  I’m not giving up anytime soon.

    And overcoming the media environment:
    https://twitter.com/elongreen/status/1323994399907471361

  9. 9.

    Sebastian

    LOL Celebrate folks!

     

    I want INVESTIGATIONS! I want the world to be like in those Xzibit memes:

    Yo Dawg I heard you love investigations

    SO I PUT INVESTIGATIONS IN YOUR INVESTIGATIONS!

  10. 10.

    Baud

    People wanted a victory night like 2008.  That wasn’t in the cards this year, but that doesn’t mean we didn’t do something worthwhile here.

  12. 12.

    jl

    ” The Black male Trump voter was a mirage. ”

    Still need to find out why it was 10 percent instead of 1 percent.

    But, looks like the big gossip about Black male voters defecting to Trump (because why, are they that self-destructive?) was probably due to systematic undercounted votes in Black areas, or more outstanding mail in votes.

  13. 13.

    Yutsano

    The first Vice President of Jamaican origin. The first South Asian. The first woman. My first choice.

    And we might not be so bad off for the Senate if Alaska elects another Independent* here.

    *Fuck Murkowski.

  14. 14.

    Cheryl Rofer

    @Baud: I am not big on making certain kinds of predictions. Explore possible scenarios, yes, but saying what will happen when? No thanks.

    At some time during my work at Los Alamos, progress reports were expected to contain predictions of what would happen during the next report period, rather than what was accomplished during the past one. I avoided that as much as possible.

  15. 15.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Nate Cohn is sounding almost optimistic about PA:

    Nate Cohnb@Nate_Cohn
    I don’t make predictions, but if the absentee votes continue to break for Biden by the margins they have so far–and as we have every reason to expect–then Biden would win by around 2 points

    And if anything, I’m conservatively rounding down on 2

    seven minutes ago

  17. 17.

    MattF

    I agree. Beating Donald Trump is an actual accomplishment. Next up is dealing with the racism and misogyny embedded in our culture. Putting down the theory that Hillary Clinton was a uniquely bad candidate in 2016 would be a good place to start. She faced terrible odds and unconcealed hatred.

  20. 20.

    MisterForkbeard

    I’m going to relax once we’ve actually got this thing done and the races called for Biden to reach 270.

    And then I’m going to be pretty happy. Biden can do a LOT with executive power, even if he can’t remake the system with McConnell causing problems. And if he can make sufficiently clear that McConnell is a lying hack (or hell, maybe McConnell just dies in the next couple years) we can do well in the midterms.

    If anyone tells me we have to respect the ‘near loss’ I’m going to shove the last four years down their throats pretty hard.

  21. 21.

    dmsilev

    George W Bush and Donald Trump both barely squeaked into office, yet governed like they had a mandate from the heavens. I see little reason why Biden shouldn’t respect that precedent.

  23. 23.

    mrmoshpotato

    I’m one for continuing efforts to crush the Rethuglican bastards every two years for the rest of my days.

  25. 25.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Listening to trump’s statement last night for the first time. Sounds on this audio like he’s wheezing hard. Anybody else notice that? I hadn’t seen it mentioned at it’s usually the kind of thing twitter seizes on.

  26. 26.

    Chetan Murthy

    @jl: I wonder what happened with Latinx voters?  And specifically in Texas?  I also wonder a bit about Florida, but …. less, b/c of reasons enumerated by others.  But to see the Rio Grande Valley give Shitler so many votes was disheartening.  Just.  Disheartening.  I mean, every one of those voters has family that’s undocumented.  Fuck.

  29. 29.

    zzyzx

    I like our shots in PA and feel very solid about NV and the half called AZ, but I’m still willing to wait another 24-48 hours before popping the cork.

    I’m a Seahawks fan. I didn’t believe we were winning Superbowl 48 until midway in the 4th quarter and that game was 43-8.

  31. 31.

    Nicole

    I just read that first tweet aloud to my husband and I burst into tears when I got to the part about VP.

    I thought I was forever so bitter about 2016 that VP seemed like a consolation prize, but I guess maybe not. :)

  32. 32.

    Kristine

    Got to bed at 330 this morning. Up a little before 9, still feeling wound up. After breakfast, I took Gaby for a walk to the state park, and watched my soon to be 14 yo pupster splash in the lake, zoom, and roll in the sand like a puppy. Lived in that moment for as long as it lasted, and came home to steadily improving news.

    Meeting friends for a socially distanced walk tomorrow. After a blustery cold snap over the weekend, the weather has been lovely here in NE Illinois. 70ish and sunny yesterday and today. Mid to high 60s expected through early next week, with sun most days. My Dem state senator and rep both won reelection. Disappointed about the progressive tax amendment. Too many ads claiming that once it’s approved, IL would soon be taxing retirement benefits and increase taxes on lower incomes. Not sure the pro side pushed hard enough.

  33. 33.

    jl

    @debbie:  Yes. Polls have a lot of uses other than feeding into forecasting models.  And pollsters should up their game, to the extent they can on tight budgets. They seem behind the times in not picking up survey tricks that can be used to try to solve some of the problems. Like dishonest responses.

    A lot of validated methods on that from trying to find out how many pregnant women smoke, or how many dudes are driving drunk in health surveys. I don’t see that pollsters are using any of them.

  34. 34.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Baud: me too, I know we were warned about this, and patience is the wisest and healthiest course, but the uncertainty is gonna give me hives, or something unpleasant

    meanwhile

    Dave Wasserman @Redistrict 16m
    Much as Trump did in 2016, Biden is currently on pace to carry all three of MI/PA/WI by margins that are narrow, but wide enough to be outside the range of what a recount would plausibly overturn.

  35. 35.

    topclimber

    Anyone think Dems will have a problem with turnout in 2022? (Not me).

    We have seen the enemy and know we can be nothing less then relentless.

  40. 40.

    gwangung

    @Chetan Murthy: Both Asian American and Latinx are somewhat artificial communities (the former more self created than the latter, I think).  They are diverse in origins and there haven’t been enough generations to form a coherent American based identity.

    Start from there. Add into that the nature of European-descent being a major portion of the community vs. the folks who have a lot of indigenous blood, and there’s a colorism problem.

  43. 43.

    Cermet

    Be very happy – the orange cloud of obxious gas will lose all his money/property (and of course, his current show wife) and Rush Limbaugh will soon be dead knowing that pile of watery diarrhea lost to a big time DEM!

  44. 44.

    jl

    @debbie: The polls were within conventional ranges of uncertainty. So, campaign logistics and GOTV people will understand them enough to use them responsibly.

    Edit: one thing that was way off was House predictions, though, that was a total miss and a forecasting failure, so two out of three.

    Maybe people will have less interest in the big national and state forecasting models, which would be good. If the dingbat political consultants and strategists are saying “hey we’re up 10 points in group X in state Y, so no reason to do anything there” then I definitely want them to ignore the big state forecasting models. That is not how they should be used.

  45. 45.

    mrmoshpotato

    @MattF: Next up is dealing with the racism and misogyny embedded in our culture.

    Very long haul, my dude.

    Putting down the theory that Hillary Clinton was a uniquely bad candidate in 2016 would be a good place to start.

    Also a long haul.  Rethuglican trash will curse her ghost once that day comes many decades away.  (Newt and Rush L will be in Hell.)  And I hope she’ll booga-booga-booga them to death.

  46. 46.

    Barbara

    @zzyzx: LOL. I was in SF for work that same week and took a weekend jaunt to Mendocino and thought I would be back in time to see the game, except I totally forgot that it would start 3 hours before the time I was used to. I showed up as the second half was starting and was damned glad I had erred on the side of seeing more of the Pacific Coast than the game.

  47. 47.

    PsiFighter37

    Winning the White House feels good. I am really disappointed in our House performance; I’m not sure what Pelosi and Bustos got wrong, although I am glad that we held onto the 2 Texas pickups from last year (Allred + Fletcher), as well as the 2 in VA (Spanberger + Luria). I am hoping Lauren Underwood pulls through; she is back by about 1500 votes. I am also very interested to see how the CA mail vote evolves this year; it seems like there should be enough votes to keep all the OC seats and the Central Valley seat (TJ Cox). Nonetheless, there needs to be some kind of evaluation done to figure out what went wrong. We clearly lost major ground with Latinos.

    My hunch is that Texas is still another decade away from truly being a swing state, but it’s no longer ruby red. Call it a Lean/Likely R state for the time being. GA is truly a battleground now, especially since we are in line to grab the last ATL suburban seat (GA-07), McBath won by an even bigger margin this time, and Biden has better than even odds of taking the state.

    Lastly, we have to figure out how to engage our base. Not being able to do proper GOTV due to the pandemic probably cost us seats that we would have won under normal circumstances.

  48. 48.

    James E Powell

    @MattF:

    Putting down the theory that Hillary Clinton was a uniquely bad candidate in 2016 would be a good place to start. She faced terrible odds and unconcealed hatred.

    I mentioned this last night – at least I think I did, I was heavy into the Irish whiskey – and I’m hoping some people with bigger audiences will say it. She was up against something much larger and more intense than we realize at the time.

    And she handled the whole thing with an uncommon grace.

  49. 49.

    Yutsano

    @zzyzx:

    I’m a Seahawks fan. I didn’t believe we were winning Superbowl 48 until midway in the 4th quarter and that game was 43-8.

    …
    Is it possible for someone to live in your head rent-free without ever knowing of them? Believe it or else, this was my brother and me. Because WE HAD SEEN THAT MELTDOWN BEFORE!!!

    Having said that, this is already not 2016. The breaks are (mostly) going for the blue side this time around. We’ll need some hope through January, but if worst comes to worst we see what we can get through the bottleneck that is Yertle. Budgets are probably nahgunnahappen for a while.

  50. 50.

    aliasofwestgate

    I’m feeling good about Biden, but still waiting to be exultant until after he declares his win. Which i think will be in teh next day or so at the latest. At the moment, i am slightly hung over from the mead i had last night but looking forward to another glass in real celebration. Trying to decide on supper, too.

    Then my brain kicks up that phrase again. ‘It’s a marathon, not a sprint’. Especially regarding the Senate issue. Not from lack of trying this year, but we had an iffy map and this is something that requires long term thinking to correct. We’ll get it, just not this year. I plan on keeping voting every 2 years and onwards. I’m only in my early 40s, i’ve got time to work on this shit and i intend to.

  51. 51.

    jl

    @mrmoshpotato: Winning an election is a totalistic type of thing. Campaigners are responsible for all contingencies, and fixing what went wrong has to look at everything.

    HRC wasn’t a great campaigner. Her team had some unfortunate fixed ideas that lead to the loss. But, I disagree with that commenter, HRC’s shortcomings not the only thing that mattered, even though we cannot ignore that it played an important role.

  53. 53.

    jl

    @Baud: Turning a speeding car heading towards a cliff around is an important accomplishment, even if you took some damage getting it done. IMHO.

  55. 55.

    PsiFighter37

    @aliasofwestgate: My hunch is that Fox News (ha!!!) will be the first to call it for Biden, once they get their mail votes from Washoe and Clark County counted tomorrow.

  58. 58.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Chetan Murthy:

    But to see the Rio Grande Valley give Shitler so many votes was disheartening.

    I was listening to MSNBC on my walk today, and I think it was Ashley Parker of the Washington Post who said she’s doing a story on it, and what she’s hearing is trump voters in the RGV still consider Covid to be more of an economic problem than a public health problem. They think he’s good for the economy.

  59. 59.

    Kelly

    From my Beachie Fire evacuee point of view. Biden in the White House is a solid fire line. It is not the fire season ending rainstorm.

  61. 61.

    Kristine

    @PsiFighter37:

    I am hoping Lauren Underwood pulls through; she is back by about 1500 votes.

    Underwood lost (to Jim Oberweis, jeezus). I understood it would have been tough for her to be reelected because conservative district. It was still a squeaker– ~0.2%

  65. 65.

    PsiFighter37

    PA margin is down to 250k, with 30% of Philly’s votes still out. We got this – now just hoping we have enough mail-ins to bring Lamb, Cartwright and Wild over the line as well.

  68. 68.

    sanjeevs

    We know that the leader of the GOP cult is vulnerable to kompromat.

    The IC needs to do its job this time and find it.

  69. 69.

    randy khan

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    That would be somewhere in the range of 130K to 140K votes, or about 3x Trump’s margin in 2016.  I would be perfectly happy with that.

    Also, it would bump Biden’s popular vote edge by around 400K.

  72. 72.

    Omnes Omnibus

    This is more or less what I have been saying all day, so, yeah, let’s be happy about winning this.  Then we need to get back to work because the Trump and the GOP have fucked up a lot of shit.

  74. 74.

    Yarrow

    DEMOCRATS. I want you to practice saying the following four words: “Fuck You, We Won.”

    THIS. Let’s practice it. When Republicans start mewling about how Democrats need to compromise: Fuck you. We won. When the media starts telling Biden he absolutely has to govern in a bipartisan manner. Fuck you, we won. When Biden uses the power of the office to declassify documents that lead to investigations of the traitorous Trump administration. Fuck you, we won.

  79. 79.

    PsiFighter37

    @Kristine: Doesn’t sound like she has conceded yet, and it looks like the margin is actually under 1,000 votes right now.

    Again – I think there needs to be some serious evaluation done with Pelosi and the DCCC. They really screwed the pooch, and while it was inevitable that we were going to lose some of our really marginal seats (Kendra Horn and Joe Cunningham come to mind as ones that were always tough given that they were out of the blue in 2018), losing folks like Finkenauer and Underwood is unacceptable IMO.

  81. 81.

    mrmoshpotato

    @jl:

    HRC wasn’t a great campaigner.

    The, now, second winningest Presidential candidate in US history.

    Her team had some unfortunate fixed ideas that lead to the loss.

    FOX-Trump trash getting their fascist, FOX News candidate of their wet dreams…

    Oh, and she was one of the most-qualified Presidential candidate in US history!

  82. 82.

    JWR

    Maybe old news, but I just heard on NPR that Judge Sullivan is seriously pissed that Louis DeJoy didn’t follow his order to sweep for missing ballots, and that he may be called before this very angry judge.

  83. 83.

    Chetan Murthy

    @gwangung: I totally get  and agree with what you’re saying in the case of Florida.  But my understanding was that the Rio Grande Valley was much more people of indigenous descent, on the “wrong” (to be clear: like -me-  — I’m also pretty damn brown) side of the color line, poorer, etc.  And yet they went for Shitler.

    I’ve read that it came down to “men like his swagger, his grabbing pussies, etc”, but I don’t want to accept such hot takes (literally hours after the election was called in TX), which is why I’m asking the question.  And specifically about the RGV.

  86. 86.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Baud: I think it was as much the benefit of incumbency as partisan leaning. Things were good pre-covid. Trump was president. And it’s hard for me to fathom but that silly game show gives him an edge too

    @WaterGirl: The O’Bros played trump’s East Room statement from last night, which I had successfully avoided up till then.

  87. 87.

    WorkingOnaNym

    Yes, I’ll be on tenderhooks until all the networks, FTFNYT, AP etc. call it for Biden-Harris.

    It ain’t over ’til the fat man exits the scene…

  88. 88.

    Spanky

    To paraphrase (Max) Planck’s Principal of “Science Progresses one funeral at a time” …

    We’ll get through this and progress. Remember that the kids really are all right. And now they’re woke – this generation, at least. And judging by their elders, a majority of them will stay woke through their lives.

  89. 89.

    sanjeevs

    Update on #GASen: Jon Ossoff & the Libertarian together need to gain 35,105 votes to force David Perdue into a runoff (4.79 mil total votes tallied so far). If that happens, we will have TWO Georgia runoffs on Jan. 5. Senate likely to be 50 R, 48 D, so GA could decide control

  91. 91.

    mrmoshpotato

    @JWR: Maybe old news, but I just heard on NPR that Judge Sullivan is seriously pissed that Louis DeJoy didn’t follow his order to sweep for missing ballots, and that he may be called before this very angry judge.

    GOOD!  DRAG HIS BASTARD ASS!

  93. 93.

    Mallard Filmore

    @Baud:

     

    I wish work could find a way to break the myth that the GOP is better on economic issues.

    Democrats are tax and spend, Republicans are spend and spend.

  94. 94.

    PsiFighter37

    @Baud: Lamb has been outraised by his opponent this cycle, and while he has had strong showings, he still represents an R+ district. Right now, he is down by less than 3% (about 10k votes)…not sure how much in Allegheny County is left to come in.

    Also looks like Josh Shapiro (PA’s AG) will, fingers crossed, get dragged along the finish line with Biden in the end. But it seems like we will lose the State Auditor position and (likely) Treasurer as well.

  95. 95.

    guachi

    I saw some person who gets paid to opine say that the Democrats didn’t do better in House races in 2020 because 2018 got almost every race that was gettable.

    I agree with that. 40 seats was an amazing win in 2018.

  96. 96.

    Starfish

    @Chetan Murthy: Like everyone has said forever, the Latino voters are not a monolith, especially in Texas. Some of those folks have been there before the border was even there. The folks who have been there forever do not feel nearly as threatened by Trump’s shenanigans as those who have not.

    Trump’s policies are terrible, but they echo American history.

    During the Great Depression, the government expelled people to Mexico when farm labor was starting to get organized.

  98. 98.

    Immanentize

    @Sure Lurkalot: trying to figure this stuff out (% of voter demographics) is fucking alchemy before the votes have settled.  This is the worst form of narrative setting possible, because it is so probably (after all voting demographics are known) wrong!

  103. 103.

    CaseyL

    @zzyzx: I’m like that always: if we’re ahead by 21+ points at the final 2:00 warning, my friends and I will look at one another and say, “We may win this thing.”

    I want to call a bunch of people – just to see how they’re doing – but think I should wait until a, please FSM, victory is actually announced.

  104. 104.

    PsiFighter37

    The other crazy thing to accentuate is that Biden is probably going to win the popular vote by something like 7-8% once CA and all the big blue states are counted (he is already at nearly 2.5% up), and yet it was heartstopping how we had to pull this off.

  106. 106.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I’m getting thank you emails from candidates I donated to, and my first 2022 fundraising request. A guy named Tom Larsen who is running against Ron Johnson

  107. 107.

    Kristine

    @PsiFighter37: Oberweis is a wealthy local businessman who has run for something in just about every election for years. iirc, he was a state rep these past two years. Anyway, well-known. Not making excuses for the DCCC etc, just saying.

  108. 108.

    piratedan

    @Immanentize: apparently early ballots submitted from Maricopa County to be counted, at last check, Biden was up 97K, and early voting favored the Dems, yet for some reason, no one is under the impression that these votes will break the same way because of “reasons”…  so the Grey Lady and NBC have not called this, the AP and other networks have…

    so 2020 being what it has been, any kind of doubt, opportunity for fuckery or disaster is met with …. due consideration.

    and I can’t find a site that shows what has been counted to salve my fears…

  109. 109.

    PsiFighter37

    @Immanentize: Why? I think it’s a very fair question. I agree with the DCCC investment into Texas – that is needed for the long game – but otherwise, we should not have been making some of the really broad pushes that we were attempting. When all is said and done, our only pickups this cycle are likely to be the 2 safe NC seats that were redrawn, GA-07, and possibly AZ-06.

  111. 111.

    Karen

    There are tons of challenges, including “stop counting votes.” Is this a repeat of 2000? If so, does it mean even if Biden gets 270, he really doesn’t win until he wins all challenges?

  112. 112.

    Elie

    @MattF:

    I totally agree and feel terrible about what she endured — the vilification and condescension — We had no  idea the threat she was truly facing.  It was horrible and I believe she is owed deep apology for what her own side did to her… I hope that I get to meet her one day and tell her how much her very real sacrifice meant to me — and hopefully all of us on the side of light…  I know that experience was horribly wounding for her…

  113. 113.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @PsiFighter37:

    (Kendra Horn and Joe Cunningham come to mind as ones that were always tough given that they were out of the blue in 2018), losing folks like Finkenauer and Underwood is unacceptable IMO.

    Underwood was a pretty big upset, too. That’s Denny Hastert’s old district. My sister used to live there. Lots of fundies, lots of rich people, and more than a few farmers. Jim Oberweis is a very rich man who has run for probably every office in Illinois. I don’t think he’s ever won

  114. 114.

    Immanentize

    @WaterGirl: I ❤️ WATERGIRL.  You know that.

    It was those who spent the night working every post to make a big fucking pitty party by innuendo and false reporting.  Whiny jackasses that I wouldn’t ask to help me shovel my walk if there were two feet of ice snow and I had to deliver a baby, for all their bemoanin’ ‘n’ wailin’.

    Jackasses

  115. 115.

    Elie

    @PsiFighter37:

    Covid set this up.  Once people had to avoid contamination by using mail in, we were off to these very unusual races.  Given the extremity of it all, we came out fairly well.  We will still have many battles ahead, but I am proud of what has been accomplished

  119. 119.

    Sebastian

    Please take a moment  and a sip of your favorite drink, to savor that the former Attorney General of California (you think she knows how to take on corrupt jerks) and US Senator (knowing who is dirty) is about to become Vice President of the United States of America.

    She Who Made Brett Cry

    GOP traitor scum have no clue how much hurt is going to come down on them.

  121. 121.

    sanjeevs

    David Perdue is down to 50.29%. And Trump’s lead in Georgia now sits at 47K votes (< 1%).

  122. 122.

    Zelma

    My son’s boss won so he’s off to the Senate side of Capitol Hill after 13 years on the House side.  I’m not sure he’s delighted; there’s a lot of disparagement between the two sides on the part of the staffs.  I’m sure he’s not happy about being in the minority in the Senate.  He’s really upset that there will not be a governing majority and that we might lose two years or more in dealing with the major problems we face.

    Which means the Democrats have to begin organizing for 2022 NOW!  Identify the potential weak Replican seats and find good candidates to run.  Frankly, I don’t think either McGrath or MJ were particularly strong candidates.  Their resumes were weak.  It’s nice to be a vet and to have run for something, but I can’t help but think there were better choices.  And we have to begin fundraising NOW!  PA is an open seat.  That’s one good pick-up chance.  I’m sure there are others.

    And, contra Biden, we have to attack and attach the Republicans starting tomorrow.  Remember Truman and the “Do Nothing” Congress?  It worked.

    My decision to give up on politics last night when I feared that Trump would be reelected lasted less than 24 hours.  I’m ready to start donating to Warnock.

  123. 123.

    Melusine

    @MattF: She was probably the most qualified candidate to ever run.

    And we had two excellent women this year. But we HAD to have another old white man, and he’s squeaking by.

    Because half the country is made up of women-loathing racist rapey corrupt assholes who drool over the thought of what THEY’D do to women/minorities/the rule of law if they had the power. And Aunt Lydias who dream of being the “good woman” and keeping all the whores and  brown people in their place.

    Decency and compassion and leadership are holding on by two fingernails despite the brain-thumpingly obvious hazards of nazis, a devastated workforce, and an uncontrolled pandemic. Because a shit ton of people are just that stupid and evil.

    And no Senate, so nothing will get through.

    I’m glad Kamala’s in, and hopefully some departments will be purged. But this election laid bare the inescapable reality that half the country has already drunk the kool aid and is rabidly trying to force it down everyone else’s throat, and they’re not going to stop for a new President. They’re gone. I used to think most people were good, that humanity as a whole was progressing. I don’t believe that anymore. The crazy is deep and fierce and it’s here to stay.

    And for those who say leadership makes all the difference – we had eight years of actual leadership and it just made the crazies crazier. If half our population is so sick, so morally bankrupt, that they’ll willingly cling to a man whose policies and rallies are literally killing them just to “own the libs” – then we are well and truly fucked.

    Melusine soon to be +10

     

  125. 125.

    Zzyzx

    I feel like I have two different bets going. In one it’s a close game but my team has the lead, time is running out, and they just need another first down. In the other, we’re down 4 but Brett Favre in his prime is driving down the field and is into the red zone. I just have to win one of these games. The flip is though that if I lose, I’ll be thrown in jail.

    So I’m confident that I could do it but I’d still be high stress.

    One interesting thing is that Trump hasn’t talked much about the southwest states. I wonder if he was told that his best shot involves Michigan or Wisconsin somehow.

  128. 128.

    Nora Lenderbee

    Exit polls only include people who voted on Election Day. We knew same-day voting would be Repug-heavy. Let’s not weep over the demographics yet.

    And thank you for this thread. Now that the landslide fever has broken and delirium has ended, I can see that we did what we had to do and got what we needed (though not a sliver more). We’re back to stalemate in D.C., which is depressing, but at least that piece of shit is gone*.

    *almost

  129. 129.

    mrmoshpotato

    via bluegal

    Imagine you are the most powerful man on the earth, you are way behind in the election, and your strategy is….to declare victory anyway and send…Rudy Giuliani?— Neal Katyal (@neal_katyal) November 4, 2020

    Fuck these Soviet shitstains! Fuck everyone who didn’t vote for Joe Biden! And fuck everyone who didn’t vote for Hillary Clinton!

  131. 131.

    guachi

    @Brachiator: The Presidential race is all but over. Biden will win AZ, NV, PA. GA is a tossup. NC is unlikely.

    Biden takes AZ, NV, PA, and GA and he gets more EVs than Trump. He should rub it in.

  133. 133.

    PsiFighter37

    Biden only 47k behind Trump in Georgia now. According to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, there are ~130k absentees left to count, with 95k of them coming from the core Atlanta metro counties (Fulton, DeKalb, Clayton and Cobb) and Savannah. I don’t want to get ahead of myself here, but I think Biden’s going to win Georgia if those numbers are right, since the absentees should tilt heavily to Biden (and even the ones in other counties have been going to him by more than his in-day totals).

    Don’t want to get overconfident, but I think we win Georgia as well. 306-232 will be the final tally IMO. Fingers crossed that this drags Perdue underneath 50%, and we can have a battle royale for the Senate in January.

  135. 135.

    germy

    Waiting is hard. That's as normal and human as it gets. But we're waiting because so many people voted and because election workers are carefully ensuring that every vote is counted properly—and that is a good thing.

    — Pete Buttigieg (@PeteButtigieg) November 4, 2020

  140. 140.

    PsiFighter37

    @Zelma: Your son’s boss must be Ben Ray Lujan… :)

    I agree that neither McGrath nor Hegar were strong candidates. In particular, Hegar should have run in her district again…no guarantees she would have won this time (see Gina Ortiz Jones), but it would have been a better shot. In hindsight, though, I do not think any candidate would have beaten McConnell or Cornyn this year – the toxic coattails of Trump seem to bring out every dumb nerfherder in these states to vote red up and down the ballot.

  142. 142.

    JWR

    Make it so…

    “In no uncertain terms, I’m not pleased about this 11th-hour development last night,” Judge Emmet Sullivan told Justice Department lawyers representing USPS. “You can tell your clients that—and someone might have a price to pay.”

  143. 143.

    mrmoshpotato

    @guachi: Biden takes AZ, NV, PA, and GA and he gets more EVs than Trump. He should rub it in.

    “Fuck you, you fucking, orange, fascist, Soviet shitpile.  In this country, we have fair elections.  Go cry to your Daddy Vladdy!”

  145. 145.

    neldob

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: The lies of the right wing should never go unchallenged, ever. PBS had some Repuglican on last night who spewed that Biden was a socialist for medicare for all and he wasn’t called on it. I wrote an email to NPR. People should challenge the lies on every venue, using comments, etc.

  146. 146.

    Yarrow

    LOL. I’d missed this earlier. He’s such a whiner.

    According to a source, Trump phoned Rupert Murdoch to scream about Fox calling Arizona for Joe Biden and demanded a retraction. Murdoch refused, and the call stood https://t.co/tzNhSPD5gU
    — VANITY FAIR (@VanityFair) November 4, 2020

  147. 147.

    Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony

    @Mallard Filmore: I don’t know that it is just those stereotypes.  There are a lot of people out there who are a little to a lot racist, are disgusted by gay and trans people, and are uncomfortable with hearing foreign languages at the grocery store. Those folks LOVE Trump.  If they live out in rural America, surrounding themselves with like-minded people, they can be out and proud about it. But if they have professional jobs or live in the burbs, they don’t want to tell pollsters and others this, because they are paranoid it will get back to their neighbors and coworkers.  They know their beliefs can hurt them socially and professionally.  So they lie about it.  I think this is part of the reason 2016 and last night was such a shock.

  151. 151.

    J R in WV

    @JWR:

    Maybe old news, but I just heard on NPR that Judge Sullivan is seriously pissed that Louis DeJoy didn’t follow his order to sweep for missing ballots, and that he may be called before this very angry judge.

    Wife spent 30 years covering federal court issues for The AP… she says “Never piss off a federal judge — never!!!”

    Mr Dejoy may be remanded to a Federal prison for the duratipon. Chelsea Manning spent at least a year in Federal lockup for contempt — Dejoy is far more contemptuous than Ms Manning ever was.

  153. 153.

    geg6

    @PsiFighter37:

    The one point of DougJ’s fabulous fundraising that I was upset with was that I kept asking for him to add Lamb to his list because I knew he was being  outraised.  If he ever added him, I missed it.  It’s not Doug’s fault really, but I felt like I was screaming into the wind.

  158. 158.

    JWR

    @neldob: PBS had some Repuglican on last night…

    Gary Abernathy? Hey, he’s just there for “balance” don’t ya know?

    ETA: Love “Repuglican”. Perfectly fitting.

  160. 160.

    gene108

    @Baud:

    impressed and depressed about how Trump people motivated themselves to turn out, but proud that we still outdid them.

    I wonder how much Republican turnout is driven by Trump’s personal appeal to these voters versus a belief in the Republican Party?

    Obama’s personal appeal drove a lot of votes our way in 2008.

  162. 162.

    wenchacha

    I think Biden is winning, so I need to buck up, old person. Last night I had a flashback to 2016, and it really messed me up. Today, I am still reeling at the state of the union.

  164. 164.

    Brachiator

    @Chetan Murthy:

    I totally get and agree with what you’re saying in the case of Florida. But my understanding was that the Rio Grande Valley was much more people of indigenous descent, on the “wrong” (to be clear: like -me- — I’m also pretty damn brown) side of the color line, poorer, etc. And yet they went for Shitler.

    Hispanics are not a monolith. And issues of race and ethnicity are more complex than many people understand, or want to understand. The automatic identification of Hispanics with poverty is also wrong. And even here, poorer Hispanic folks do not necessarily see Democratic Party solutions to poverty as the answer for them.

    Also, a lot of Hispanic folk have been in this country for generations. And many are conservative. The media falsely assumes that “heartland America” or conservative Texas, Arizona, California and New Mexico are just white people. This is wrong, but many in the media just don’t get it.

    Also, as I noted in another thread, Hispanic people are the youngest ethnic demographic, and younger people just don’t vote to the same degree as other age groups.

    Side note: to a lot of Hispanic and Asian Americans, Democrats seem to crap on small business. And the history of America includes a lot about unions displaying as much hatred towards Hispanics as any other mainstream American institution. So, being pro-union is not an automatic selling point for the Democratic Party.

  167. 167.

    guachi

    @gene108: We’ll see in 2022. I wonder, too. Fertile ground in the Senate to pick up seats that we failed to get in 2016.

    Who knows?

  168. 168.

    dm

    @Immanentize: Oops.  My mistake.  The song is known as “Levan Polkka”.  Loituma is the name of the group that made it famous enough to get associated with spinning leeks.

  173. 173.

    White & Gold Purgatorian

    @gene108:  Also, Republican voters have help “motivating themselves” from their right wing media sources, their churches, and their private Facebook groups.

  174. 174.

    The Thin Black Duke

    @Immanentize: What’s sad is most folks won’t appreciate how damned good Pelosi has been for the Democrats and America until she’s gone. Talk about a hard act to follow.

  175. 175.

    dmsilev

    @J R in WV:

    Mr Dejoy may be remanded to a Federal prison for the duratipon.

    May we suggest to the judge that Mr. DeJoy be placed in a cardboard box and then shipped, US Postal parcel ground, from Washington to let’s say Juneau and back? Might give him a proper appreciation for doing his job correctly.

  183. 183.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    MSNBC calls Gary Peters the winner. Others had it earlier, but I’m glad to see it again. 60K votes

  189. 189.

    Lyrebird

    @Nicole:

    I thought I was forever so bitter about 2016 that VP seemed like a consolation prize, but I guess maybe not. :)

    Yeah, I’m looking forward to some “I am speaking” t-shirts.

    And Sen. Harris apologized to no one.  I am so glad they responded to Noonan’s racist bilge by doubling down with that great line campaign ad with dancing.  And they’re winning.

  195. 195.

    JWR

    LOS ANGELES (CBSLA) — California’s Proposition 15 — which would allow commercial properties to get taxed at their fair market value rather than the value at the time when they were purchased — was narrowly losing early Wednesday morning.

    With 71 percent of precincts reporting, voters were rejecting Prop. 15 by 51.7% to 48.3%.

    If passed, Proposition 15 would adjust the original 1978 California Proposition 13 by basing property tax rates on current market value for commercial properties valued at more than $3 million, rather than using the purchase price.

    Damn. The years and years of Repuglican’s screaming “they’ll raise your taxes!” BS has really paid off.

    (ETA Linky.) ETA Linkys don’t work?

  197. 197.

    Splitting Image

    The Philadelphia Inquirer has an interesting graph showing the Pennsylvania vote count since last night. You can see Trump pull ahead as the in-person votes were counted first and Biden close the gap with the mail-ins.

    Since 2:30 AM Trump has added 270,000 votes and Biden has pulled in 720,000.

    Only 200,000 votes behind now. Slow and steady.

  199. 199.

    WaterGirl

    @sanjeevs: Yes, several times!

    https://www.fourdirectionsvote.com

    I don’t know what county there are in, but they were working to help get 38,000 to the polls.

    There are 3 stories at the link above – sounds like what you are writing about here.

    edit: we raised 13,500 for them, but some was during 2018. Most was this time around I think, but we should ask DougJ because he would know for sure.

  201. 201.

    FelonyGovt

    @gene108: Hard to imagine Trump having any “personal appeal”, but his flying monkeys certainly did come out to vote for him, while they were mostly MIA in 2018. It gives me hope for the Senate in 2022, without the cult leader on the ballot.

  205. 205.

    FelonyGovt

    I just heard that Harley Rouda and possibly Gil Cisneros are behind in Orange County CA. Would hate to lose them, particularly Rouda, who flipped Dana Rohrabacker’s district.

  206. 206.

    JeffH

    @guachi: An observation I saw was that in 2018, voting for Congressional reps was the only way voters had to express their displeasure with Trump. Now that they could vote directly against him, some may have flipped back to R for down ballot races. Probably wasn’t a huge factor, but a couple % could make a difference.

  207. 207.

    Suzanne

    @sanjeevs: So a friend of mine is hugely responsible for turning out the Navajo/Dine vote in AZ. She is awesome. She became known as “the queen of Native Twitter” this year.

  209. 209.

    AntiCliche

    @zzyzx: same!!! Broncos had highest scoring offense in NFL history or something at that point so I was waiting for 35-0 before I even cracked a smile.

    Too bad about the next year 2nd and goal from the 1.

  210. 210.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @JeffH: seems plausible, i think a certain breed of totebagger likes to tell themselves that ticket splitting is a high-minded act of non-partisanship, too

  211. 211.

    guachi

    GA is so…. close….

    98% reporting. Perdue down to 50.2%. Biden down 37,600. Biden winning 70% of the vote for hours (since about the time Atlanta returns started streaming in). He needs about 70% of the vote to pull into the lead and he’s been hitting it consistently.

  212. 212.

    mrmoshpotato

    Well, we got our bang for our FUUUUUCCCCKKKK!!!!!

    Second night of “How is this not over yet!?!”

    (Yes.  I know.  Every vote.  And that’s important.  It’s democracy.)

  213. 213.

    Peale

    @Sure Lurkalot: I’m starting to have some issues with that CNN poll, even though I used it this morning in a post.  The Times exit poll has slightly different numbers.  Trump did not actually double his support with the African American voters. It was up 2% to 12. I think even in Obamas first run it was 90-10.  So this is not a huge deal.  Also, someone posted up a twitter on the GOP share of non-white vote since 1960 and it looks like they voted for the incumbent of whatever party a few percentage points more in each election, then reverted back to the party. I mean, they went from 10% for Reagan’s first to 18% for Bush 1! So if the expectation is that they were going to stay at 92-8 in favor of the dems forever, that was a pipe dream.

    The big issue in 2016 was that their participation dropped, which is why we lost places like PA and Wisconsin. This time, they came out in a big way, so even if they may have voted 2% more for Trump, the raw numbers for Biden were overwhelming.  I have a similar comment about Latinos.

    People ask “well when is this demographic change going to happen?” Well it did. Last night. In a high turnout election we won because we carried Latinos by big margins and in high numbers in most of the country. We did better than in 2016 at turning out those votes.

    Now, what happened in Texas – it seems like the Mexican Americans in RCP voted like Texans.  There are always GOP voting Latinos and I think the GOP did a better job in finding the people who would vote for them and getting them out than we did in that section of the country. (Umm. Beto, dear. What happened there?). I’m guessing the Dems focused more on Harris County and Dallas and figured that they had that region banked when they didn’t.  Oops. Try again, next time.  The issue with Latino voters in Texas is that you quite literally have to drag them to the polls to vote.  We got more of them out, but we still have to work harder to find our voters within that community.  Our outreach needs to get better in those areas because it is unlikely that Texas Mexican Americans are ever going to vote like New Jersey Dominicans.

  217. 217.

    Geminid

    I cannot blame leaders like Pelosi and Bustos for the lost House seats. These districts were carried by trump in 2016, some by 10 points or more. The Democrats found trump to be potent GOTV asset in the 2018 midterms, and in the Virginia 2017 and 2019 state elections. But trump was on ballot yesterday, and he really turned out the republican vote. I personally find trump to be a repulsive man, an incompetent joke of a leader. But I’ll give this devil his due: trump is an effective demagogue, and his demagoguery was skillfully amplified through social media and right wing TV and radio. If he had been just a halfway competent President, we’d be in real trouble.

  220. 220.

    PsiFighter37

    @FelonyGovt: They are behind right now, but given how prodigiously slow CA takes to count ballots (remember in 2018 – it took 2-3 weeks to iron out all the congressional seats), I am optimistic that when all is said and done, we hang onto all the OC seats.

  222. 222.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Geminid:

    If he had been just a halfway competent President, we’d be in real trouble.

    I was thinking if he had made Mitch pass a relief bill, things might have been different.

    I hope some helpful should plants the idea in his head that McConnell cost him Wisconsin by not passing more relief.

  224. 224.

    Kent

    @Geminid:@Chetan Murthy: Did the Rio Grande Valley go republican? Or did Biden just underperform Clinton?

    Click any election map for Texas.  It’s all blue and the bluest part of Texas outside Houston and Austin.

    Hidalgo County (Harlingen) went 58% Biden to 41% Trump

    Cameron County (Brownsville) went 56% Biden, 43% Trump.

    Those are the two most populous counties.  In three of the smaller counties, Biden hit 62% to Trump’s 35%

  225. 225.

    kindness

    Now that I’m sure it’s going to be Uncle Joe a weight has been lifted from my very soul.  Then I look and see that half my fellow country members are raving lunatics.  Not sure this Union is really all that worth keeping.  Maybe the Pacific Republic (WA, OR & CA) is the way to go.  Let Red America wallow in it’s version of ‘freedom’.

  226. 226.

    Brachiator

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    What’s sad is most folks won’t appreciate how damned good Pelosi has been for the Democrats and America until she’s gone. Talk about a hard act to follow.

    Pelosi has done a great job, and I would like to see her continue. However…

    The average age of Members of the House at the beginning of the 115th Congress was 57.8 years; of Senators, 61.8 years, among the oldest in U.S. history.

    As of 2018, the median age of Americans was 37.9 years. Too many old people in Congress holding onto power. Yeah, yeah, institutional wisdom. Still, we need to get younger people into the political mainstream.

    ETA: I don’t care if the GOP continues in the direction of old fartitude.

  227. 227.

    PsiFighter37

    I know folks were freaking out about Cabinet officials not being confirmed, etc. – I honestly think this is not going to be an issue. For all of the bitching that we do about them, I do think Romney, Collins and Murkowski will give us a functional majority for the very basics, i.e. getting Cabinet officials confirmed. Even some of the more anodyne abetters of Trump, like Rob Portman, will probably give Biden decent latitude to appoint whomever they want. But I am absolutely convinced that McConnell will stonewall on judges if at all possible, because he has shown that, outside of unlimited campaign contributions, it is the only thing he really cares about.

  228. 228.

    localcomment

    What in the world is going on in Nevada? All the other outstanding states are busy doing stuff while Nevada just sits there antagonizing me with the sub-8000 vote lead for Biden

  231. 231.

    PsiFighter37

    @WaterGirl: New batch of mail-ins counted, and now Lamb is down less than 200 votes with 10% to go in Allegheny County. He is going to pull it out…whew!

    ETA: Matt Cartwright now in the lead as well. Susan Wild down by less than 5k now. I think we are going to hold onto all of our PA pickups from last year, although (sadly) it seems like we are going to fall short in PA-10.

  234. 234.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @PsiFighter37: I had the same thought, and picked the same Senators. I figure it’s more likely than not Mitt will want to throw his weight around a bit, and be the new darling of Green Rooms.

    I’ll be interested to see how if Graham tries to weasel his way back into Biden’s good graces.

  235. 235.

    PsiFighter37

    @localcomment: They did not get their act together today in terms of announcing results. From reading Ralston on Twitter, my understanding is that they have been / will be counting today and will announce results at noon EST / 9 AM PST tomorrow.

  237. 237.

    Geminid

    @Geminid: So trump energized his base base yesterday, and helped pull some congressional candidates through. But I wonder if and how the republicans can replicate that energy in 2022 and 2024.

    I’m fairly certain, though, that the Democrats will sustain the energy and organization we developed these past two cycles. So I may be disappointed, but I am not discouraged.

  238. 238.

    mali muso

    Very pleased that Peters was able to pull it out in MI. Sent him donations through the BJ thermometer several times. If the two senate races in GA end up going to January, we might still be in the running, right?

  240. 240.

    PsiFighter37

    GA margin now under 40k, still lots of votes to count in ATL and surrounding areas. Biden’s gonna win the state…only reason why Trump is trying to sue to stop the ballot count. Perdue at 50.2%.

  244. 244.

    Brachiator

    @PsiFighter37:

    @FelonyGovt: They are behind right now, but given how prodigiously slow CA takes to count ballots (remember in 2018 – it took 2-3 weeks to iron out all the congressional seats), I am optimistic that when all is said and done, we hang onto all the OC seats.

    California won’t certify results until December 11.

    The CA Secretary of State site has a page that shows elections where the margin is 2 percent or less.

    Wow. Cisneros and Rouda in some tight battles.

     

  245. 245.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Kornacki says trump down to 49.8% to Biden’s 49, fewer than 40,000 votes in GA (h/t watergirl)

    95% counted, he doesn’t say how many votes are outstandin

    ETA:

    reg Bluestein@bluestein· 8m
    A new batch of returns from Cobb County pulls Biden within 40k votes of surpassing Trump in Georgia. The Democrat has a path: The state says roughly 122,000 absentee ballots are still not returned, mostly from solidly Democratic metro ATL and Savannah. #gapol

  248. 248.

    guachi

    @James E Powell: Yes. But it’ll be REALLY close either way.

    And my understanding is there are ballots from voters that got rejected because of signature mismatch and that can be corrected by Friday.

    EDIT: Of the last 500,000 votes counted in GA Biden has won 70% of them. Consistently. It just needs to last a little longer.

  249. 249.

    Martin

    A  few thoughts.

    Dems got the turnout they wanted. Unfortunately the GOP also got good turnout. But the adage that ‘Dems win when more people vote’ continues to hold.

    I’ve been warning about Dems taking latino votes for granted since a lot of latinos are quite conservative in some of their views. In 2008 we both elected Obama and passed Prop 8 and those conservative latinos had a lot to do with that. Seems like that bill may have finally come due – Dems are going to have to get much more nuanced with them. That’s going to be key to some of the efforts in CA (Prop 15 and 22 likely turning out the way they are because a LOT of latinos are business owners/self employed/gig employed) and in TX for the same reason. Dems need to marry economic benefits to their health care/environmental regulation efforts. That shouldn’t be hard, but we’ve allowed the narrative to paint those as economic losers rather than winners.

    Regarding the Senate. I think part of why there weren’t many criminal cases after 2008 was because it was a clean sweep for Dems so they could put out legislative remedies instead of prosecutorial ones. If Dems don’t have control in the Senate, there’s going to be tremendous pressure on the AG to prosecute, and that may be a very small benefit. Hearing Sally Yates being floated for AG. I’d argue for Preet Bharara.

  251. 251.

    Baud

    Biden’s 100K lead in Michigan makes me feel better about his ability to get a sizable lead in PA.

  252. 252.

    Kent

    @PsiFighter37:I know folks were freaking out about Cabinet officials not being confirmed, etc. – I honestly think this is not going to be an issue. For all of the bitching that we do about them, I do think Romney, Collins and Murkowski will give us a functional majority for the very basics, i.e. getting Cabinet officials confirmed. Even some of the more anodyne abetters of Trump, like Rob Portman, will probably give Biden decent latitude to appoint whomever they want. But I am absolutely convinced that McConnell will stonewall on judges if at all possible, because he has shown that, outside of unlimited campaign contributions, it is the only thing he really cares about.

    I agree, I have zero freaks about it.  If Biden wins, he has an iron-clad grip on the executive branch and can govern just as easily with acting cabinet secretaries as confirmed.  Trump put babies in cages and basically re-wrote immigration law and built a wall with acting secretaries of homeland security.  The only thing confirmation really does is give them a longer term and puts them in the presidential line of succession.  Senators know this. It isn’t like judges where obstruction will leave it open as there are no “acting” judges.   So the institutionalists like Murkowski and Romney and probably Collins will blanket approve any of Biden’s appointees if they aren’t overly controversial.

    If a nominee stalls, all Biden needs to do is put a flagrantly more partisan person in the acting job to light a fire under their asses.

  253. 253.

    JPL

    Even if he doesn’t win GA, I’m so excited that is close.     We can do this, if not now, then next time.

  254. 254.

    Martin

    @Brachiator: Lots of money thown at the Rouda race. None thrown at mine (Porter). I actually had  to look up who she was running against when my ballot arrived – I had no idea. Not a single ad or mailer or yard sign seen. But we were getting hammered with ads in the Rouda/Steel race, and I don’t even live in that district.

  256. 256.

    guachi

    If there are about 120,000 votes left then Biden needs to win with 66% of the vote. He’s been getting 70% for the last 500,000 ballots.

    If it holds he’ll squeak ahead in GA by a VERY THIN margin.

  257. 257.

    Woodrow/asim

    @kindness: Not sure this Union is really all that worth keeping.

    I do not get this idea that splitting up the US is somehow going to make things better. As a Black man from the South, finding out that Oregon was founded on White Supremacy explained a lot about my visit to rural OR a while back.

    I’m gonna keep saying this — there is No Magical Fix to America’s issues. No one-two punch that’ll suddenly make the horrible crap Black folx (among MANY) been seeing for centuries, go away. White Supremacy is endemic to so much of America, that cutting away any slice of our land still leaves you with plenty of folx willing to buy into it.

    People have been saying for centuries that this, too, is who we are. And it’s time we just accepted it, and fixed it.

    America, in my estimation — in my grew-up-under-Jim Crow Dad’s estimation — is worth fighting for. And if we can do it, I reckon a lot of other folx can work it out, too. :)

  259. 259.

    Lyrebird

    @mrmoshpotato:

    “You fascist ghost, I’m speaking. I’m speaking.” :)

    Yes!!  Though if ghosts are insubstantial, how could the fly stay up… is he a vampire instead?

     

    Just joking…  I’m effing thrilled, and I shoo away any thoughts about “we didn’t win enough” by remembering how it felt to try to stay calm while explaining to my eldest child that we’d probably be safe in our state if it went the other way.

    Biden’s on his way to getting the worst job EVAR and I am so glad he and Harris are on their way to do what needs to be done!

  260. 260.

    mad citizen

    @Geminid: Was going to post this a few minutes ago, replying to Baud way upthread about the future being so hard to predict.  But one of my favorites is from Clash City Rocker Joe Strummer: The Future is Unwritten.

    FSM bless us all!  (Because someone wrote it out the other day I now know what FSM is!)

  263. 263.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Geminid: If McConnell can just prevent Congress from passing anything during Biden’s first two years, the country is going to be an economic disaster area by 2022 (I mean, a worse one than it is now). Red wave.

  264. 264.

    janesays

    @MattF: Agree with this completely, which is why it saddens me to  say that it’s probably a good thing that Warren wasn’t the nominee (and I was fully behind Warren in the primaries). She would have gotten destroyed by this pig and his disciples.

  265. 265.

    Lyrebird

    @rikyrah:

    I don’t like that movie trope that says that the African American character [is somehow obliged to save] the soul of the other characters.

     

    I do say prayers of thanks that real Af Am voters have done that again for the whole country though.  Not alone, sure, but I say give credit where credit is due.

     

    Edited to fix my broken wording.

  266. 266.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    An era of a President Biden, dead Limbaugh, marginalized Jones and twitter disciplined Trump could be a much better one even without the Senate.

    Murdoch, McConnell, Dobbs, etc. will die soon, too.

  267. 267.

    bluehill

    @Geminid: Repubs will pick something, but it will be interesting to what they choose. Obama passed ACA because he had the senate and that seemed to be the issue that got repubs out for the midterms. If the senate stays R, Biden probably doesn’t get any landmark legislation passed and that could help dampen enthusiasm in 2022.

  268. 268.

    PsiFighter37

    @Zzyzx: I don’t see it – NYT still has margin at 196k.

    @Matt McIrvin: I suspect that McConnell will feel a lot of pressure from his own party to do something. Without judges to confirm, you will have a lot of very bored GOP senators wondering what the hell they signed up for. I think there is going to be room to get stuff done – but the Justice Democrats and the Bernie Bros are going to have to realize that it is going to be (very) piecemeal relative to what we had hoped could be done.

  269. 269.

    PsiFighter37

    @Martin: Porter won quite handily – very impressive how she consolidated her support and turned that into a safe seat very quickly. Rouda-Steel is nasty, especially because of the whole mask issue that the OC was up in arms about in the summer. That said, I think Rouda will still win. He and Cisneros were both down by more than this in 2018 at this point in time.

  270. 270.

    James E Powell

    @Baud:

    Biden’s 100K lead in Michigan makes me feel better about his ability to get a sizable lead in PA.

    And leaves us all wondering what’s the matter with Ohio?

  271. 271.

    Kent

    @Woodrow/asim:I do not get this idea that splitting up the US is somehow going to make things better. As a Black man from the South, finding out that Oregon was founded on White Supremacy explained a lot about my visit to rural OR a while back.

    Urban Pacific Northwest (Portland, Seattle) was founded by prosperous New Englanders who arrived by boat with money to invest and build.  So those cities are tidy and orderly like Boston.

    Rural Oregon was settled by poor white folks mostly traveling over land as pioneers from the war ravaged southern states after the Civil War like Arkansas, Tennessee, etc. to scratch out farms or work as miners and loggers.

    Partly also explains the polar divide between ultra liberal Portland and bright red rural towns like Roseburg where you can find confederate flags and Klan shit.

    Oregon is basically Arkansas with Portland and a few college towns dropped in.

    I’m 5th generation Oregonian.  These are the people I grew up with.

  275. 275.

    Subsole

    @Chetan Murthy: I lived there for over a decade.

    I assure you, they do not all have family that is undocumented.

    Many likely have family that came over in the last two or three generations.

    Some were living here when it belonged to Mexico. Remember: many latinos never crossed the border – the border crossed them.

  278. 278.

    Central Planning

    I saw a twitter thread that said Dolt45 gave up the Wisconsin recount because it would cost $3m, and they need payment up front. That would be so sweet if that’s the reason. I mean, we know he’s broke.

  286. 286.

    frosty

    @PsiFighter37: although (sadly) it seems like we are going to fall short in PA-10.

    Damn! Even though I was ungerrymandered into PA-11 I was  working for DePasquale. And 2 years ago for George Scott. I loathe my former Rep Scott Perry. I hate to see him win over such good candidates.

  288. 288.

    brantl

    @MattF:  I am a democrat of 40+ years. Hilary was a so-so candidate, who made several unforced errors.  To be fair, she was slagged on for years, too. Nevertheless, she made a number of unforced errors.

  290. 290.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Central Planning: Someone, maybe Omnes, pointed out that if the vote differential is 0.25% or less, the state pays; if it’s between 0.25% and 1%, the candidate has to pay. When I looked at the numbers earlier today, 0.25% was 8,100 votes. If Joe is leading by 20k, then Trump would have to pay for the recount, and I suspected he wouldn’t.

  292. 292.

    Brachiator

    @Martin:

    Lots of money thown at the Rouda race. None thrown at mine (Porter).

    Rouda had a tough road. Lots of Republicans and conservatives splitting the primary vote, and the district itself is very conservative.

    Steel seems to be pretty hard core Republican. Of course, her husband is a big wig in the California GOP.

  295. 295.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Seems to me Katyal used to be much more of a moderate, even somewhat preciously non-partisan

    Neal Katyal @neal_katyal · 2h
    Just a reminder that federal criminal indictments come from the U.S. Justice Department and do not need the approval in any way of the United States Senate.

  296. 296.

    Subsole

    @gwangung: Speaking of colorism, there’s a funny expression about that: “El nopal en la frente”. The cactus on your forehead. It refers to people who are indio or darker skinned, but claim they have castilian/white-Spaniard blood, and go around looking down on other dark skinned latinos because of it.

    Or, as one friend put it “he’s the brownest coconut you’ll ever meet.”

  297. 297.

    different-church-lady

    Been working all day, avoiding the news so I could function without having a panic attack. (Which I went ahead and had anyway when I heard someone say the word “…COVID…” while speaking to someone else and I needed to go off to the side and try to stop myself from shaking.)

    Last night I saw how it went in Ohio after early “WOW!”s, and went to bed thinking Trump was going to sweep the Rust Belt. I feel better knowing that no matter how this turns out there’s some fight left in the decent people of this country.

  301. 301.

    Immanentize

    @Gin & Tonic: The general rule is you have to post a bond for the cost.  If the costs exceed the bond amount, which is based on ballots recounted, you must pay more.  If you win the challenge, the $$$ is returned to you in full.

  313. 313.

    guachi

    For those wondering, the 74,000 votes that just got counted in AZ were good for Trump. It might not last but it’s exactly the thing he needs to catch up.

  314. 314.

    piratedan

    @Baud: last dump erased Tiperneni’s lead in AZ CD6, she’s now down 2700 votes..

    Trump still down by nearly 80k though

  317. 317.

    Dan B

    My concern as a gay man is two years of the Supreme Court.  The far right orgs will be bringing suits up.  We already have a case that may allow religious beliefs to trump LGBTQ rights.  What other minorities will suffer, and women’s rights?

    I’ll be paying attention to the GA senate races.

  318. 318.

    dmsilev

    @WaterGirl: It’s a ‘VIP flight restriction’ zone over Delaware, and it basically means that as far as the Secret Service and the FAA are concerned, Biden is being treated as President-Elect.

  319. 319.

    PsiFighter37

    Everyone chill out…Biden is still up ~80k votes in Arizona.

    Also, once we win PA / GA (should have a handle on that by tomorrow morning), it won’t matter anyways.

  321. 321.

    James E Powell

    Biden still ahead in AZ by 79K. Are there any more coming in tonight?

    Come on, Pennsylvania. Put this thing to bed.

  322. 322.

    raven

    ???

     

    Arizona
    Race called
    Winner gets 11 electoral votes

    CANDIDATES
    %
    VOTES
    WINNER

    Joe Biden
    50.7%
    1,444,213

    Donald Trump
    47.9%
    1,365,040

  323. 323.

    Keith P.

    @Zzyzx: CNN has it with Biden getting about 52% in a chunk of Maricopa (80k votes) with 300k more there.  47k 90k corrected by official are left to count in Pima county (runs about 60% Biden) and 18k in Yuma county (53% Trump so far). Less than 1000 in La Paz, where Trump hits 68%.  13k in Coconino county (Biden is at 50.7 right now)

  324. 324.

    different-church-lady

    @Immanentize: Last night I was a basket case because I couldn’t stop shaking and I was afraid I wasn’t going to be able to function today. But somehow I made it.

    There’s a bunch of long-term problems in my life outside of the election, so I really need a big blast of hope.

  327. 327.

    guachi

    The 90k votes left in Pima probably doom Trump, but most of the rest of the vote will be very good for Trump. It’ll be a lot closer than it looks now.

  329. 329.

    Brachiator

    @Woodrow/asim:

    People have been saying for centuries that this, too, is who we are. And it’s time we just accepted it, and fixed it.

    America, in my estimation — in my grew-up-under-Jim Crow Dad’s estimation — is worth fighting for. And if we can do it, I reckon a lot of other folx can work it out, too. :)

    Well said. Totally agree.

  338. 338.

    James E Powell

    @guachi:

    The 90k votes left in Pima probably doom Trump, but most of the rest of the vote will be very good for Trump. It’ll be a lot closer than it looks now.

    Why would the rest be good for Trump? Isn’t it in Maricopa?

  342. 342.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    Also, wondering what the world looks like without Jen Rubin being an unrepentant conservative.

  344. 344.

    guachi

    @James E Powell: It’s the type of vote being counted that matters. It’s votes that will be very Trump leaning. So a county that’s +20 Biden now may be +5 or something with the vote remaining.

  347. 347.

    Keith P.

    @James E Powell: The 90k figure was later corrected to 47k.  There were three Dem counties left, all in the 10s of thousands of votes, while Yuma was the only GOP county CNN mentioned that was in the 5 figures.

  350. 350.

    Brachiator

    @Matt McIrvin:

    If McConnell can just prevent Congress from passing anything during Biden’s first two years, the country is going to be an economic disaster area by 2022 (I mean, a worse one than it is now).

    Yes, McConnell will play his obstruction games again. But the Democrats have seen that already.

    Biden will have his work cut out for him to try to move Trump supporters from the path of self-destruction.

    He’s kinda good at that.

  351. 351.

    Immanentize

    Ok, I’m chilled with fatigue and y’all are getting to the doomy part of the evening, so I bid you all so long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, adieu….

  352. 352.

    guachi

    @Baud: Thanks for the update. That’ll make it really close. Close enough it probably  shouldn’t have been called.

  355. 355.

    Zzyzx

    Well it was fun having hope for a day. PA is stalling, GA might be a near miss, and AZ is slipping away. I’m going to bed and maybe there will be better news in the morning.

  356. 356.

    WaterGirl

    Holy cow, I did not know some of this.  From Washington Monthly Poitical Animal, by Booman (Martin Longman)

    The Washington Post reports that “Nearly 7 percent of ballots in U.S. Postal Service sorting facilities on Tuesday were not processed on time for submission to election officials.”

    Some of the votes will never be counted, but many will and they will add to Biden’s popular vote total and possibly change the results in closely contested Senate, House, and state and local races.

    For example, in Pennsylvania, incumbent Democratic congressmen Conor Lamb and Matt Cartwright are trailing but may prevail once all the mail-in votes are counted. The same is true for challenger Eugene DePasquale in the state’s Harrisburg-based 10th District.

    As more votes roll in, the error we see in the polling will be reduced. It could even prove critical to determining whether Trump or Biden won Pennsylvania and the handful of other outstanding states such as Nevada, Georgia, and North Carolina.

    Over time, Biden’s lead will grow, and the apparent polling error will decline. It will even change some early emerging narratives about the election, like what went wrong for the Democrats in Miami-Dade County in Florida. No doubt, Biden did very poorly there compared to Hillary Clinton, but with as many as 27 percent of absentee ballots not delivered on time, the current margins are distorted.

    Even with Biden, likely to win, and Democrats hurting in down-ballot races, not all the votes have not been counted. A shameful number never will be, but the results won’t look as bad in a week as they look today.

  357. 357.

    Brachiator

    Ah well, I have also had enough “election watch” for today. I will look in tomorrow to see what is happening with Nevada, and to see if anything has changed with some California races and ballot propositions.

  359. 359.

    Mai Naem mobile

    @Keith P.: what i saw was the Pima leftovers are leaning Trumpov not Biden. Also MSNBC is i believe shaving 7K from Biden’s lead from the Maricopa 75K drop so the lead is down to ~80K. If the rest of the Maricopa batches are the same Biden decreases his lead by around 30K. And you’ve still got a decent but not huge amount of outstanding in Pinal. I thought Pinal, Yuma and Pima would wash each other out but not sure now. AZ SOS has Pima at 100%. BTW, Schweikert took the lead from Tiperneni. Ugh. And the state house and senate came so freaking close. Its 31-29 and 16-14. There’s a state house rep losing by 50 votes and a state senator losing by 150 votes.

  360. 360.

    Subsole

    @PsiFighter37: Yeah. Cornyn is a damned tick in loafers.

    Beto v. Cruz was our best shot, frankly.

    Still, if they can keep organizing and not fall back into bad habits, we have laid some groundwork.

  361. 361.

    JWR

    @Central Planning:

    My next new fun bit of info is that Deutsche Bank is going to cut ties with Trump and would force repayments in 2 years:

    Aww. Poor, poor, (no, really poor), Lil’ Donnie.

  362. 362.

    cain

    @PsiFighter37:

    What did they do during Obama’s tenure? In general, no bills are gonna get there – but I suspect McConnell is old and tired and he’s not going to last 5 years. May a thousand ticks infest his body and hatch more.

  365. 365.

    WaterGirl

    @WaterGirl: 7% of the ballots at the post office didn’t get where they needed to go in time to be counted.

    I hope Judge Sullivan puts DeJay’s ass in jail.

    Can’t someone sue because their ballots were mishandled?

  366. 366.

    Facebones

    Honest to god, I am so tired of the pants wetting liberals and professional Eeyores that have been at it non-stop on Twitter for the last 24 hrs. We beat Trump! He ‘ll be gone in 3 months.

  367. 367.

    Old Dan and Little Ann

    All these outlets have called Arizona for Biden.  NPR, USA Today, AP.  Is msnbc just going for ratings.  WTF!

  372. 372.

    piratedan

    @Mai Naem mobile: Pima is usually more blue than Maricopa, but if those votes came from places like Marana, Corona de Tucson and Ajo, it’s possible they could have leaned Trump.  Anywhere else in the county should be about 60/40 Biden though.  Still unlikely that Trump wins because I know a LOT of early Dem votes were cast (including mine from Tucson)

  374. 374.

    Subsole

    @Starfish: Under Jovial Jolly War Hero Ike, we scooped up citizens and just deadass dumped them in Mexico.

    It was called Operation Wetback – I shit you not.

    There’s a reason Nuevo Laredo is on the SOUTH side of the Rio.

  376. 376.

    cain

    Look, it’s just going to be close everywhere, but Biden has it – let’s not get all doom and gloom. We are gonna pull this out and it’s going to be grand.

  377. 377.

    Mai Naem mobile

    @gene108: Obama is a once in a generation candidate for sure but don’t forget the economy was collapsing and his opponent did not come across like he even knew that the economy was falling apart. I don’t think Obama would have won if Dubbya hadn’t done such a spectacularly crappy job. He won in ’12 because enough white Americans saw that the black guy wasn’t coming after them for whatever and of course that he was competent .

  378. 378.

    SFAW

    @Brachiator:

    Biden will have his work cut out for him to try to move Trump supporters from the path of self-destruction.

    He’s kinda good at that.

    Not disagreeing, but I would think Biden — being who he is — would try to appeal to their “better angels,” since I don’t think he’s a dickpuncher the way LBJ was. Assuming that to be the case, I am skeptical about the idea of any Rethug senator having anything close to a “better angel.”

     

    Be that as it may, it will be such a relief to have him in the Oval Office, assuming he gets there (i.e., any/all Rethug fuckery does not succeed).

  382. 382.

    trollhattan

    Note for posterity: Biden is 2X Trump in California. This is how is should be everywhere.

    Biden 7,903,542
    Trump 3,980,853

  383. 383.

    Keith P.

    @piratedan: Have those early votes been counted yet?  They’d be nice to have in Biden’s pocket in case there are any more Maricopa surprises.

  384. 384.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Nate Cohn @Nate_Cohn 16m
    It’s hard to game out exactly where we’re heading in Arizona. It both depends on how many ballots are left and what kind of ballots, and neither is exactly clear. The most important takeaway here: Pennsylvania wrapping up its count is the path to a quick call

  386. 386.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Baud: and because they are bastard people, that will be another partial result?

    ETA: I’m no wonk and I don’t want to chase a snipe, but… doesn’t Georgia just keep looking better for Biden?

    ETA, A: some schadenfreude sauce for your two scoops of ice cream:

    Michael Crowley @michaelcrowley 29m
    CNN’s Dana Bash says a source tells her Trump is feeling “down” and “starting to see this slip away”

  387. 387.

    SFAW

    This may have been discussed elsewhere in this joint: regarding the 300,000 ballots that DeJoy is refusing to have USPS personnel look for: do we know where they were? Part of me thinks they’re evenly distributed among the Lower 48, and part of me thinks they’re “strategically located,” like maybe in FL counties where Biden underperformed, etc.

  388. 388.

    trollhattan

    @WaterGirl:

    Seeing that human thumb frog-marched by US Marshals into custody would be a very pleasing amuse bouche to a Trump loss. “I’ll have the chef’s special.”

  389. 389.

    Subsole

    @Mike J:  Having spent a fair bit of time on that teash sote during my aimless phase, thank you.

    Seriously. I cannot express how good it feels watching those miserable chodes writhe in agony like we did 4 years ago.

    Just fucking shoot it straight into my jugular.

  390. 390.

    piratedan

    @Keith P.: based on what I see from the Pima County Recorders office, it appears that all of the Pima Early vote has been counted but ballots received today that were postmarked appropriately have not been based on their chart, that’s roughly 13.5k worth of votes.  To be fair, I don’t know who fucked this up, 2018 ran pretty seamless and this year has been less than transparent.

  392. 392.

    Kay

    Michael Crowley
    @michaelcrowley
    · 26m
    CNN’s Dana Bash says a source tells her Trump is feeling “down” and “starting to see this slip away”

  393. 393.

    SFAW

    @trollhattan:

    Yeah, but something like 12 Million of those Biden votes in CA were fraudulent, cast by “illegals” and MS-13 members who were bussed in by the Democrat/Socialist Party.

  394. 394.

    piratedan

    @SFAW: I think that they determined that the 300k looks to have been delivered without being scanned, based on what I have read.

  395. 395.

    trollhattan

    @cain:

    Presuming Joe is inaugurated in January, he’ll be instant lame duck in McConnell’s eyes. In the meantime, can Thomas spin up a nice massive coronary event? [OK, maybe not right away, but in a couple months. Thx)

  397. 397.

    Citizen Alan

    @rikyrah: Indeed. I love Kamala Harris, but part of me wonders if Biden would have cruised to an easy victory if his running mate had been another straight white male.

  398. 398.

    SFAW

    @piratedan:

    delivered without being scanned

    Thanks. However, I don’t know what that means. Not being a wise guy; I really don’t know enough about the process to understand that fully. Delivered where, scanned by whom?

  401. 401.

    cain

    @SFAW:

    This may have been discussed elsewhere in this joint: regarding the 300,000 ballots that DeJoy is refusing to have USPS personnel look for: do we know where they were? Part of me thinks they’re evenly distributed among the Lower 48, and part of me thinks they’re “strategically located,” like maybe in FL counties where Biden underperformed, etc.

    I want to see this man roasted. He should swear that he wish that he never heard the word, Trump. I want him fucked so badly that he will never even think about politics again.

  402. 402.

    SFAW

    @Kay:

    I’m sure there will be tons of persons who will talk him down off the (literal) ledge. Well, either that, or push him.

  403. 403.

    piratedan

    @SFAW: there’s a tracking process involved, just like it’s a package from amazon, if they brought the ballots in and shipped them right back out to the appropriate agency w/o scanning them in the interest of getting them delivered on time.

  404. 404.

    SFAW

    @cain:

    I want to see this man roasted. He should swear that he wish that he never heard the word, Trump. I want him fucked so badly that he will never even think about politics again.

    I’m sorry, arguments are two doors down.

  409. 409.

    Mai Naem mobile

    @James E Powell: it won’t clear it up because its probably going to be another 80K. Still leaves another 260K. I remember doing this in 2018 with Sinema but IIRC I think Sinema was closer to begin with.

  411. 411.

    SFAW

    @cain:

    I rather have McConnell have that coronary event. May a thousand ticks live freely in his body.

    OK, how about this as a compromise: Thomas has a heart attack, Rapey McKavanaugh gets terminal cirrhosis, and McConnell has a 16-ton weight fall on him. Will it sweeten the deal if I throw in a 30-year prison sentence for the Murderer-in-Chief?

  414. 414.

    WaterGirl

    @cain: It’s against the law to interfere with voting and it’s against the law to interfere with the US Mail.

    So how the hell is the stuff he’s done with ballots not illegal ?

  416. 416.

    Brachiator

    @Citizen Alan:

    Indeed. I love Kamala Harris, but part of me wonders if Biden would have cruised to an easy victory if his running mate had been another straight white male.

    Easy victory? Probably not.

    Even though I love the shit out of Biden, I wonder if he would have cruised to an easy victory if he were 20 years younger.

    Again, probably not.

    Trump’s base wanted Trump.  That Trump is so obviously unqualified and unhinged and yet totally beloved by his supporters renders a lot of alternative speculation meaningless.

  418. 418.

    piratedan

    @topclimber: they are considered the de facto paper of record in the state and they’re usually solidly conservative in tone, so I find that encouraging as hell.

  419. 419.

    Mary G

    @gwangung: This. Latinx people vary widely. Catholics can be genuine social conservatives; machismo is a biggie, people who’ve been through multiple coups think the devil they know might be safer than the next guy, people who waited 20 years to immigrate legally don’t want others to have it easier, and on and on.

    Trump’s babies in cages and general cruelty were much worse than Obama’s practices, but Obama actually deported quite a few more people and thus for Biden to be trusted he needed to engage more with the communities and make concrete promises beyond DACA that he just didn’t. Democrats have talked a good game for decades, but the last president who actually did something was Ronald Reagan.

    If Biden does open up immigration and gets CBP and ICE in line (I know, a very tall order) he’ll get more Hispanic votes in 2024. One thing he could do that would go a long way would be to order State to take applications to grant more visitor visas once Covid is under better control ASAP.

    My housemate’s mother was denied twice in the last three years; she wanted to come meet a new granddaughter, and see loved ones in person, and had no intention of staying, but she was sneered at by the people in the consulate and accused of being a “mooching criminal.” That leaves a bad taste.

  423. 423.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Mary G: There is also things like how Northern California Hispanics and Southern Californian Hispanics hate each other and both hate Mexicans.

  425. 425.

    Mai Naem mobile

    @James E Powell: they did do some drops earlier. I honestly might be confusing Nevada and AZ but I think Maricopa was going to wait till tomorrow but decided to hurry up. Fucking Charlie Kirk is planning on showing up either at Maricopa Elections or the AZ SOS on Friday to pull a Brooks Bros riot. Thankfully the SOS and Maricopa County recorder are Dems. Fuck these people.How come they don’t complain about Ohio starting with Biden in the lead and then turning red?   How stupid would it have looked for Biden to tell Ohio to stop counting since I’m winning.

  426. 426.

    patrick II

    The mail was removed from the automated system, which would have tracked it’s passage through, to expedite manually.  But you lose the exit tracking by doing that.

    At least that is their story.

    @SFAW:

  427. 427.

    topclimber

    Meanwhile, with Biden taking Arizona, Nevada becomes the tipping point state.

    Makes one wonder whether some folks in Vegas who placed that bet might be encouraging a slow count.

    If they update tomorrow they are a cinch to beat the other contenders.

  429. 429.

    WaterGirl

    @Mai Naem mobile:

    …was going to wait till tomorrow but decided to hurry up

    I thought that was Nevada, but maybe both of them were doing the same thing?

    Latest word on Nevada, though, is an announcement at 9am or something like that.

  433. 433.

    Mai Naem mobile

    @WaterGirl: the two I was paying most attention to was Nevada and AZ so I might have the two confused. I still don’t understand the math. When Biden was up by 90K they said Trumpov needed to get 59% but if he gets 59 % its only around 50K he is making up. Jorgensen has been getting 1% not that that makes a big difference.

  434. 434.

    Mary G

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: Oh, yes, and don’t get me started on the snobbery of people descended from the old ranchos whose families have lived here 350 years, or the massive prejudice against people who look like local indigenous Indians by people who look like the Spanish colonizers.

    Plus very local distinctions. My housemates have told me more than once that Guatemala has 25 different official languages. Spanish, 22 Mayan tongues because the Indian tribe on one mountain hates the Indian tribes on the surrounding mountains and have been warring amongst themselves for centuries, plus two derived from African languages brought by escaped slaves. So there’s really no one “Latino vote.”

  437. 437.

    cwmoss

    @Kent: Third Gen Oregonian here. Agree with you. I am expecting Bend to get bluer and bluer over the next 5+ years, esp as OSU expands its campus there, and that might turn OR-2 House district to the Dems. One can hope, anyway…

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