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You are here: Home / Elections / Biden-Harris 2020 / Sunday Morning Open Thread: Adjusting to A New Normal

Sunday Morning Open Thread: Adjusting to A New Normal

by Anne Laurie|  November 22, 20207:01 am| 377 Comments

This post is in: Biden-Harris 2020, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Trumpery, Our Failed Media Experiment

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Wake up little boi pic.twitter.com/6nVAKEpBXD

— Cats With Unexpected Auras (@UnexpectedAuras) November 19, 2020


In a another sign that a new presidential administration is coming in, Twitter is announcing the official account of The President of the United States will change hands to President elect Joe Biden on January 20th. @edokeefe reports: pic.twitter.com/DBokclXk9Y

— CBS This Morning (@CBSThisMorning) November 21, 2020

Joe Biden spent the week at his Delaware home carefully trying to build a government and preparing to take on a pandemic. President Trump largely kept to himself behind closed doors, at a mostly empty White House, tweeting. https://t.co/PsYFYDs7nc

— The Associated Press (@AP) November 21, 2020

Not least among those suffering from Adjustment Whiplash, our very serious media:

Due to a last minute change of schedule, President-elect Biden left without his protective press pool. We watched him drive by as our bus was getting swept and now we are trying to catch up to Biden at TBD location. pic.twitter.com/k4rWME8R1H

— Bo Erickson CBS (@BoKnowsNews) November 21, 2020

laser like focus on the issues of the day https://t.co/wLrD6XutNq

— Normie Transition Team (@CalmSporting) November 21, 2020

Biden went to church. We are here now! pic.twitter.com/aSTeSKEVC5

— Bo Erickson CBS (@BoKnowsNews) November 21, 2020

How can you move on after the US election?

It's been an emotional roller coaster for many — so here's some advice from an expert on the science of happinesshttps://t.co/WS3L1tJPBe pic.twitter.com/ywhL7Ewzeq

— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) November 16, 2020

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  1. 1.

    J.

    November 22, 2020 at 7:11 am

    Would love to have had Twitter move the account NOW. Can you imagine the Trump meltdown?

    As for the MSM, I am already sick of their griping about Biden and looking for any excuse to bash him.

    More adorable kitteh videos, please.

  2. 2.

    TS (the original)

    November 22, 2020 at 7:16 am

    Cannot believe the WHPC are carrying on about being left behind by Biden – who is not yet the President – while they were left behind 4 years ago by trump. I hope Biden has many “closed press” meetings and then has his press secretary release the details.

    Used to be that used car salesmen were voted to be the lowest level of employment – I’d now vote for the WHPC.

  3. 3.

    mrmoshpotato

    November 22, 2020 at 7:18 am

    Trump Dump largely kept to himself behind closed doors, at a mostly empty White House, tweeting broadcasting to the world over Twitter what an enormous, petulant asshole he is.

    Fixed.

  4. 4.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    November 22, 2020 at 7:19 am

    What’s a “protective” press pool?

  5. 5.

    mrmoshpotato

    November 22, 2020 at 7:21 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Haha.  I had the same question.

  6. 6.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    November 22, 2020 at 7:23 am

    I see Kelly Loefler tested positive for COVID but is insisting on retests.

  7. 7.

    TS (the original)

    November 22, 2020 at 7:23 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    I believe it relates to someone from the press always being with the President when he/she is travelling.

    Edit: from the nyt

    The term “protective press pool” is literal. “You need a record of the president’s travels, for a couple of reasons. One is the basic question of making sure he arrived safely wherever he was going,” Mr. Landler said. “You always want to have reporters and camera people close to him, because it’s history.”

    This was one of the best responses I saw to Zeke Miller’s tweet

    Trump: golfs during G20 while pandemic rages and his minions sue to disenfranchise voters.

    Biden: goes to church

    Media: Biden’s behavior is unacceptable!
    — Gracie Lou Who (@WhoGracie) November 21, 2020

  8. 8.

    Steeplejack

    November 22, 2020 at 7:28 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Apparently she had two tests, one of which was positive and the other inconclusive. I think that’s the reason.

  9. 9.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    November 22, 2020 at 7:29 am

    So Erickson wanted Biden to wait rather than leave for Mass, which starts at a specific time. You don’t walk in late to Mass.

  10. 10.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 7:29 am

    @J.:

    As for the MSM, I am already sick of their griping about Biden and looking for any excuse to bash him.

    Were the FTFTFNYT a paper with integrity, I think it would have been good humor if they moved Ken Vogel from “covering” Biden to Trump’s “protective” press entourage.

  11. 11.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 22, 2020 at 7:31 am

    Due to a last minute change of schedule, President-elect Biden left without his protective press pool. We watched him drive by as our bus was getting swept and now we are trying to catch up to Biden at TBD location.

    They aren’t blaming or finding fault with anyone. This is a simple statement of fact, starting with the reason for why they are unable to report on what he is doing. That is their job after all.

  12. 12.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 7:31 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    You don’t walk in late to Mass.

    Trump did.

    Just kidding, he wouldn’t have gone to Mass. He’d only go to things like a funeral, where he would draw attention to himself by arriving “fashionably” late.

  13. 13.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 7:32 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    What’s a “protective” press pool?

    If a latter-day John Hinckley starts shooting, they throw themselves in front of the President?

  14. 14.

    Brachiator

    November 22, 2020 at 7:33 am

    This is unacceptable. The pool exists to provide the independent account of the activities of a president(-elect) that the American people deserve.

    What a bunch of self-important horse shit.

    I think that coverage by an honest, competent press is important.  If only we had such a thing.

  15. 15.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 22, 2020 at 7:33 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Back when I bothered, I did it all the time. Never got turned into a pillar of salt or anything. Of course, I was not the President elect either.

  16. 16.

    TS (the original)

    November 22, 2020 at 7:35 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Zeke Miller was finding fault – and Biden is NOT yet the President.

  17. 17.

    John S.

    November 22, 2020 at 7:37 am

    Zeke is getting rolled on Twitter for his stupidity. The media can try to play their games with the Biden administration, but I don’t think it’s going to work.

    Trump broke everything, and people aren’t going to forget that. And it will be Democrats barking “FAKE NEWS!” at the likes of Zeke — half in jest, half serious.

    They helped normalize Trump and we don’t have to play by their old rules anymore now that they found them.

  18. 18.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    November 22, 2020 at 7:37 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: “Late for Mass” was a very big deal when I went to St. Juliana. But I suppose the president-elect is not a school child. It still would be rude and not conducive to whatever peace he gets from going to church.

    I know the President issues a schedule so the press can be there. Perhaps Biden should be doing that.

  19. 19.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 7:38 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Of course, I was not the President elect either.

    More’s the pity.

     

    Although tweeting out “blech” each morning might have led Speaker Ryan (or whoever) to initiate impeachment proceedings against you. [I was originally going to write “might have sent the wrong message to the country,” but after five years of shit-tweets from the Murderer-in-Chief, the rational part of America would be OK with something as innocuous as “blech.”]

  20. 20.

    Steeplejack

    November 22, 2020 at 7:39 am

    It’s starting to dawn on me that I’m going into lockdown—or at least locked-down more than I already have been. I gave my Trader Joe’s friend a ride home from work yesterday and now won’t see her for (at least) three weeks. She is going to visit family for Thanksgiving, and then she’ll be in the Steep-imposed “no ride” zone for two weeks after that. And late tonight I’m picking up my brother at the airport after his trip to Las Vegas, and after that I won’t be seeing him either, or going to Sighthound Hall, for two weeks.

    I haven’t been doing much socializing anyway, but this is explicitly demarcating things. It’s similar to eating at restaurants. In the before times, even if I didn’t eat out a lot, there was at least the thought that I could do it if I wanted to. Then it became: no, you can’t do that. In the same way, even if I didn’t see the Sighthound Hall mob very often, at least the possibility was open. Now it has been shut off, at least for a while. But that is what the times require. Just slightly weird, that’s all.

  21. 21.

    The Dark Avenger

    November 22, 2020 at 7:43 am

    @TS (the original): 
    That would require them to do some work. Being in the WHPC is the nearest thing our society has to a sinecure these days.

  22. 22.

    John S.

    November 22, 2020 at 7:43 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: And while the President-elect was at mass, Bo Erickson waited patiently outside so he could shout a gotcha question at Biden.

    Should all Americans be able to attend religious services during the pandemic?

    To which Biden shouted back a pitch perfect “Go fuck yourself Yes, safely!”

  23. 23.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 7:44 am

    @Steeplejack:

    As you kids say, “I hear ya.” In the before-time, every so often — especially after she’d had a lo-o-o-ong week — Mrs. SFAW would call me from work and say “let’s go to restaurant X for a burger and beer.” That option is technically still available, but doing so is not really on our list.

  24. 24.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 22, 2020 at 7:45 am

    @TS (the original): Did I quote Zeke Miller? No, therefor I was not talking about anything he said.

    Biden is not yet the President? Wow, I had no idea. Thank you for enlightening me to that fact! So the fuck what? He’s the President elect. What he does is news and their job is to report it.

  25. 25.

    Brachiator

    November 22, 2020 at 7:46 am

    Meanwhile, the Senate breaks a 123 year tradition and keeps appointing Trump judges to various courts.

    This week, the Senate confirmed four district court nominees and one international trade court nominee.

    One was Jones Day attorney Kathryn Kimball Mizelle, who was rated “Not Qualified” by the ABA due to a lack of experience. The Senate confirmed Mizelle, 49-41, on Wednesday to the Middle District of Florida.

    She is the 10th Trump nominee the independent group has given its lowest rating and is the eighth “Not Qualified” pick confirmed by the Senate during the Trump era.

  26. 26.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 22, 2020 at 7:46 am

    @SFAW: More’s the pity.

    And here I was thinking that was one of life’s little blessings.

  27. 27.

    charluckles

    November 22, 2020 at 7:47 am

    “It’s been an emotional rollercoaster for many”

    I absolutely despise this both sides sentiment. It comes from a position of privilege that even after 4-plus years fails to recognize that millions of Americans were legitimately threatened by Trump and his cult.

  28. 28.

    rikyrah

    November 22, 2020 at 7:47 am

    @TS (the original):

    You see that bullshyt too???

  29. 29.

    rikyrah

    November 22, 2020 at 7:47 am

    Good Morning, Everyone???

  30. 30.

    John S.

    November 22, 2020 at 7:49 am

    @Brachiator: Yes, but did Trump allow the press pool to follow his motorcade? Because that’s what is REALLY important. ?

  31. 31.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 7:50 am

    @Brachiator:

    Would it be unseemly of me to dance in the streets, were Traitor Turtle to expire suddenly, and ASAP? [Ignoring the reality that my dancing makes Elaine Benes look like Ginger Rogers (or Fred Astaire or Twyla or Ann Miller or the Nicholas Brothers or Savion Glover).]

  32. 32.

    WereBear

    November 22, 2020 at 7:51 am

    @SFAW:

    If a latter-day John Hinckley starts shooting, they throw themselves in front of the President?

     
    Don’t get me all excited.

  33. 33.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 7:52 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    And here I was thinking that was one of life’s little blessings.

    That’s pretty selfish of you. What about all of us who would benefit from your presidency? [Assuming you’re talking about having the position, not “blech”-ing each AM.]

  34. 34.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 7:54 am

    @WereBear:

    Don’t get me all excited.

    Them throwing themselves in front of a shooter would not excite me.

    Them throwing Ken Vogel (for example) between a shooter and President Biden — well, that’s a different story.

  35. 35.

    Gravenstone

    November 22, 2020 at 7:56 am

    Protective press pool? Unless you chucklefucks are willing you throw yourselves in front of a bullet, you’re just a predatory press pool. Get the fuck over yourselves and DO YOUR JOBS PROPERLY.

  36. 36.

    raven

    November 22, 2020 at 7:57 am

    @WereBear: The guy who got shot with Reagan was Tim McCarthy, former Illini QB. He always rejected the hero shit and just said “I got shot”.

  37. 37.

    RSA

    November 22, 2020 at 7:57 am

    @SFAW:

    Trump did. Just kidding, he wouldn’t have gone to Mass.

    Trump did go to church not too long ago. There were photos of his dropping a handful of $20s into the collection basket.

    I now use this example if a conservative ever brings up virtue signaling. A purported billionaire carries a pocketful of cash? And $200 to a billionaire is the equivalent of about one cent to the average American earner. GTFO.

  38. 38.

    lowtechcyclist

    November 22, 2020 at 8:00 am

    @SFAW: 

    As you kids say, “I hear ya.” In the before-time, every so often — especially after she’d had a lo-o-o-ong week — Mrs. SFAW would call me from work and say “let’s go to restaurant X for a burger and beer.” That option is technically still available, but doing so is not really on our list.

    Yeah, here in MD, restaurants can currently operate at 50% capacity, so we still theoretically could go to one.

    But going into an enclosed space with a bunch of strangers not wearing masks as they eat, drink, and talk – you couldn’t pay me to do that. It just ain’t happening. I want me and my family to get to the other side of this pandemic alive and healthy.

  39. 39.

    Steeplejack

    November 22, 2020 at 8:00 am

    @rikyrah:

    Good morning! ?

  40. 40.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 22, 2020 at 8:01 am

    @SFAW: You mean all 11 of us? Cause I can guarantee that my family would do just fine. The rest of you might just have to suffer.

  41. 41.

    Amir Khalid

    November 22, 2020 at 8:02 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    There’s a sign sometimes seen in mosques here: “You’re in a meeting with God. TURN OFF YOUR PHONE.”

  42. 42.

    Baud

    November 22, 2020 at 8:02 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

  43. 43.

    Cheryl Rofer

    November 22, 2020 at 8:04 am

    The bad news about the Twitter account transfer is that Trump uses @realDonaldTrump, not @POTUS, to do his shitposting. So that won’t stop.

    But we will be able to know that the official accounts will be held by the real president. They will become boring and routine. This is probably a good thing.

  44. 44.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 22, 2020 at 8:06 am

    Andrew Cuomo to receive Emmy award for televised Covid briefings

    I can’t wait for the butthurt tweets from the WH over how trump’s ratings were far higher than Cuomo’s.

  45. 45.

    JMG

    November 22, 2020 at 8:08 am

    I did outdoor dining at restaurants like 8-10 times from when it was first allowed in July until shortly after the election (a couple of warm sunny lunches). No way I’m going inside. On Cape Cod anyway, most restaurants have very well organized takeout operations, and many of them close for the winter on a regular basis. Up in suburban Boston, where Operation Make the Place Fit to Sell is moving along, we seldom went out even in the Before Times, although there is one Italian and one Indian restaurant we’d visit on occasion. I miss restaurants, but I can do without until hopefully next summer. One thing I’m not looking forward to is the supermarket on Tuesday when I pick up our pre-ordered turkey and buy all the other fixings. It’ll be a relatively long time in a crowded place, albeit a large space.

  46. 46.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 8:09 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    You mean all 11 of us? Cause I can guarantee that my family would do just fine. The rest of you might just have to suffer.

    I’m pretty sure America would also do just fine with a President OzarkHillbilly. The only one I care about who might suffer would be Baud, if you get to the WH before he does.
    Oh, and I expect Moscow Mitch and various other RWMFs might suffer, especially after you worked on them with your 24-ounce Estwing. But I’d be OK with that. Hell, I’d pay good money to watch you do it on primetime TV. {Just kidding — I’m a cheap prick, so I wouldn’t pay.]

  47. 47.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 8:11 am

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    The bad news about the Twitter account transfer is that Trump uses @realDonaldTrump, not @POTUS, to do his shitposting. So that won’t stop.

    Not that I think it would ever happen, but tweeting his insanity/shit as non-President might get him banned or blocked or whatever tweety-term is appropriate/relevant. I would love to see that happen, although I expect it won’t.

  48. 48.

    Kattails

    November 22, 2020 at 8:14 am

    Geez, guys. Like, my two cats got two different foods that they like in their dishes this AM, but Becca decided she liked the other one better, so Patty was left standing looking at “her” dish being eaten out of. So I changed out the food in Becca’s dish and pulled her from Patty’s so they each had the exact same thing. Becca went back to Patty’s dish anyway.  Then I log on here and find that a couple of people *ahem cough cough* appear to have valid takes on slightly different versions of a story and are being a bit hissy at each other. Pets and ear scritches all around, hummm?  (why hasn’t autocorrect learned that scritches is a word yet?)

    In other news, I have gotten into a new art and craft gallery and just dropped some stuff off yesterday, although the gallery lady mentioned that it has been really dead when it usually would be very busy.  They’re working hard at bringing everything online, and are opening up for Sundays by appointment.  Fingers crossed.  Unemployment isn’t going to hold up forever.

  49. 49.

    rikyrah

    November 22, 2020 at 8:16 am

    @John S.:

    Folks are not having it.

    They have four years of receipts of the WHPC and what they DIDN’T DO with regards to Dolt45 and his Administration.

    That they think we didn’t notice and that they can just do what they want to with 46

     

    No, I don’t think so

    They need to sit down and STFU ?

  50. 50.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    November 22, 2020 at 8:16 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    In my Greek Orthodox parish, late was the rule, not the exception.

  51. 51.

    Amir Khalid

    November 22, 2020 at 8:17 am

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Has the Trump admin even been using Trump’s official Twitter account at all? I know Obama’s people did use his @POTUS account for official stuff, but I don’t think I’ve seen Trump’s in use.

  52. 52.

    rikyrah

    November 22, 2020 at 8:18 am

    Amen?

    James Clyburn is the true hero who helped save us all.https://t.co/mjHbYxNP2M— Has Meemaw Washed Her Face Yet? (@JuneSummer1) November 21, 2020

  53. 53.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 8:19 am

    @Kattails:

    (why hasn’t autocorrect learned that scritches is a word yet?)

    Maybe it’s supposed to be “skritches”?

    Best of luck with the new gallery. Where’s it located? [I assume it’s nowhere near me, but you never know.] In the before time, I’d often look for birthday/Christmas/anniversary gifts at a local craft gallery or two. Now, unfortunately, not so much. [It doesn’t help that my income has dropped significantly, either, of course.]

  54. 54.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 8:19 am

    @SFAW: 
    Them throwing Ken Vogel (for example) between a shooter and President Biden — well, that’s a different story.

    What if Ken Vogel is the shooter?

    I mean, he’s tried almost everything else against Biden…

  55. 55.

    rikyrah

    November 22, 2020 at 8:20 am

    I noticed that our lovely janitor gets treated like an outcast, so I made sure to drink my coffee with him daily in front of the gate. Today I was in a hurry to get to my office, so he came to my office with a cup of coffee and awkwardly goes "Thank you for being my friend."— Mohamad Safa (@mhdksafa) November 21, 2020

  56. 56.

    rikyrah

    November 22, 2020 at 8:21 am

    I remember when Bernie Sanders ridiculed Hillary Clinton for winning in the "deep South" and implied Black voters in the south shouldn't get to decide the Democratic nominee because southern states will never vote for a Democrat for president.— Reclaim the Fight (@reclaimthefight) November 22, 2020

  57. 57.

    rikyrah

    November 22, 2020 at 8:22 am

    A reporter jokingly asked Dr. Fauci if the gays will ever be able to brunch again. He said "yes, and I'll be happy to join you." ?— Brian McBride (@BrianDMcBride) November 21, 2020

  58. 58.

    raven

    November 22, 2020 at 8:23 am

    Ever hear of the Glass Float Project on Block Island?

  59. 59.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    November 22, 2020 at 8:23 am

    @Brachiator:

    As I remember, Mizelle is 33 years old.

    To me, it means she’s still young enough to squeal and jump when seeing her girlfriends out in public, that she can prolly pull off looking good in a thong on a public beach, and that she hasn’t been around law world long enough to sort out lies in a hearing.

  60. 60.

    Matt McIrvin

    November 22, 2020 at 8:23 am

    @John S.: 

    Trump broke everything, and people aren’t going to forget that.

    They’ll remember for at least five, maybe six months.

  61. 61.

    rikyrah

    November 22, 2020 at 8:23 am

    We've really got to stop saying "Congress" and put the spotlight on the one man who is standing in the way of Covid relief aid.That's Mitch McConnell. It's him. He's the one refusing to move on Covid relief.Get it right. https://t.co/1o2jqrKbWB— Wakandan Brand Ambassador (@Kennymack1971) November 22, 2020

  62. 62.

    rikyrah

    November 22, 2020 at 8:24 am

    In the Georgia runoff, Republicans have attacked Democrat Raphael Warnock as an anti-cop radical who wants to defund the police. Warnock's latest ad features current and retired Georgia law enforcement officers who back his candidacy: "He does not support defunding the police." pic.twitter.com/fORsX1VEVL— Jacob Rubashkin (@JacobRubashkin) November 21, 2020

  63. 63.

    Baud

    November 22, 2020 at 8:24 am

    @rikyrah:

    You’re never too old to come out.

  64. 64.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 8:24 am

    @rikyrah:

    I gotta remember to dust this room.

  65. 65.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    November 22, 2020 at 8:25 am

    @Gravenstone:

    Is there anything less useful that a White House pool reporter?

  66. 66.

    rikyrah

    November 22, 2020 at 8:25 am

    Whew! It’s finally here! We @figstreetfilms were blessed to Co-Executive Produce My first @PBS Special! ?? LEDISI LIVE: A TRIBUTE TO NINA SIMONE is part of special programming premiering on PBS stations beginning Sat, Nov 28, 2020 (check local listings).Wow…it’s real @rontyoung pic.twitter.com/mUg3ZaZT58— ledisi (@ledisi) November 16, 2020

  67. 67.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 22, 2020 at 8:25 am

    @SFAW: Baud needn’t worry, if nominated I will not run, if elected I will not serve. As far as Republicans go, they should probably beware of guys in carpenter whites with a framing hammer in the loop anyway.

  68. 68.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    November 22, 2020 at 8:25 am

    @Kattails: Congrats on the new gallery!

  69. 69.

    Cheryl Rofer

    November 22, 2020 at 8:26 am

    @Amir Khalid: Yes, he uses it to retweet his @realDonaldTrump tweets. Kind of “The Best of @realDonaldTrump”. The @WhiteHouse account has been particularly bad occasionally with its own sorts of thing. It’s mostly been retweeting other governmental accounts lately.

  70. 70.

    rikyrah

    November 22, 2020 at 8:26 am

    To Zeke Miller???

    Get over yourself. I didn't see you half as outraged when Trump spent four years lying and attacking your own profession from the White House briefing room.Beltway reporters need to get over their obsession with physical access over everything else. https://t.co/wo95vMzRAj— Matthew Chapman (@fawfulfan) November 21, 2020

  71. 71.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 22, 2020 at 8:27 am

    @SFAW: I do believe it was twitter that said trump would no longer receive the broad presidential exception of “what he says, is news.”

  72. 72.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 8:28 am

    Loeffler has also tested positive for racism, insider trading, unearned arrogance, conspiracy theories and pandering.

    — Bob (@bobtheretired) November 22, 2020

  73. 73.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    November 22, 2020 at 8:28 am

    @rikyrah: Thank you for passing that on.

  74. 74.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 8:29 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:  As far as Republicans go, they should probably beware of guys in carpenter whites with a framing hammer in the loop anyway.

    “Only I can fix it!”

  75. 75.

    TS (the original)

    November 22, 2020 at 8:29 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:  Pleased I could update your knowledge – and without using foul language. Your post was giving a positive vibe to the WHPC and for the past 4 years they have not called out trump or his so called press secretaries, while spending the previous 8 years attacking Obama.

    And Biden being the President elect – the protective press pool exists to follow the President, not the president elect. The political press isn’t interested in what he does – only in getting in a jibe.

    Just a reminder in case you had forgotten all these things in your haste to abuse people who might disagree with a comment on an almost  top10000 blog.

  76. 76.

    raven

    November 22, 2020 at 8:32 am

    @TS (the original): Lighten up Francis.

  77. 77.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 8:34 am

    .@JoeBiden getting harsher reaction from press corps for going to church than GSA Administrator is getting for subverting democracy. https://t.co/hDljnZSWEW

    — Eric Schultz (@EricSchultz) November 21, 2020

  78. 78.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 8:36 am

    Everyone jokes about Rudi, but I find Sidney Powell alarming but fascinating.

    Powell now telling Newsmax that Bernie Sanders actually won the Democratic primary in 2016 but the machines were rigged to give Hillary Clinton the win, says Sanders knows but he was paid off to keep quiet.

    — Andrew Feinberg (@AndrewFeinberg) November 22, 2020

    NOW: Sidney Powell on Judge Brann’s ruling, speaking on @Newsmax: “This particular judge was appointed by President Obama, we really don’t expect to win a lot of the district court cases but ultimately the Court of Appeals, and the Supreme Court will have to get it right.”

    — Andrew Feinberg (@AndrewFeinberg) November 22, 2020

    So that’s how Sanders was able to afford his third house!

  79. 79.

    Baud

    November 22, 2020 at 8:38 am

    @germy:

    Another opportunity to set the record straight about 2016 that won’t be taken.

  80. 80.

    The Thin Black Duke

    November 22, 2020 at 8:39 am

    @Matt McIrvin: Black folks will remember.

  81. 81.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 22, 2020 at 8:40 am

    @TS (the original): Awwwwww, the press isn’t reporting the news in a way to your liking. Pobrecito…

    Really, I am sick to death of people whining about how unfair the press is. Republicans say the exact same things about the press. Is it perfect? No. Does the both sides bullshit get on my nerves? Yes. So the fuck what.

    As far as my language goes, I was a union carpenter for 35 years and I speak like a union carpenter. If it is too blunt or too offensive for your liking, pie me.

  82. 82.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    November 22, 2020 at 8:40 am

    @germy:

    Has Powell ever read a Court of Appeals opinion on cases where there are massive proof failures? Ideology and deeply held opinion don’t overcome facts.

  83. 83.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 8:41 am

    You media morons are all laughing at @RudyGiuliani, but he appears to have already established a great rapport with the judge, who is currently offering recommendations on martini bars for Team Trump in open court.

    — Jenna Ellis (@JennaEllisEsq) November 17, 2020

    This is a reference to the judge who just eviscerated Giuliani’s case. https://t.co/EMfnxD8vlS

    — Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) November 22, 2020

    Jenna’s the one who stood grinning and smirking behind Rudi during the last press conference.

  84. 84.

    Baud

    November 22, 2020 at 8:41 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    Has Powell ever read a Court of Appeals opinion on cases where there are massive proof failures? Ideology and deeply held opinion don’t overcome facts.?

  85. 85.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 8:43 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    I’m not sure what Powell has been reading, but she sure has lots of ideas.

    Didn’t she represent Flynn?

  86. 86.

    raven

    November 22, 2020 at 8:43 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: fuckin a

  87. 87.

    JMG

    November 22, 2020 at 8:44 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: As a newspaper sportswriter for 30 years, I learned two things. 1. You can’t please everybody, so don’t try. 2. If you complain publicly about things that make your job more difficult, your readers won’t care but will think much less of you. That’s the problem with Miller’s tweet, not ideological bias. It’s special interest pleading.

  88. 88.

    Frankensteinbeck

    November 22, 2020 at 8:44 am

    @rikyrah:

    In a debate, when McGrath described the suffering caused by the pandemic both in deaths and the economy, McConnell laughed and called the whole topic ‘ridiculous’.  He put his Senate Majority Leader status at risk and might lose it by refusing to do a COVID relief package all summer.  He is a cartoon villain level evil son of a bitch who is enjoying watching America burn.

    My guess is it’s because we elected a black man as his boss, but the undeniable thing is he loves hurting people and is a zealot against helping people.

  89. 89.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 8:44 am

    This photo of Rudi:

    pic.twitter.com/h4TDAZ6aTv— Whisperz (@__Whisperz__) November 18, 2020

  90. 90.

    raven

    November 22, 2020 at 8:46 am

    @JMG: I was in municipal athletics for years and I learned early not to have battles in the paper with participants.

  91. 91.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 22, 2020 at 8:46 am

    @raven: Cool shit. Really cool. I’m heading back to Astral Glass in New Haven for Xmas presents again this year even tho I don’t believe in Xmas or Xmas presents. They just make really cool shit.

  92. 92.

    Steeplejack

    November 22, 2020 at 8:48 am

    @germy:

    Checks out. ?

  93. 93.

    LurkerNoLonger

    November 22, 2020 at 8:48 am

    Why does Twitter make people sound like assholes? And why does Twitter make assholes sound like even bigger assholes?

  94. 94.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 8:49 am

    @JMG:   Hardworking reporters in local papers focus on the stories.

    But media people with national profiles find themselves and their friends endlessly fascinating, and think we should, too.

    Last week some asshole wrote a profile of Maggie, where she was sitting across from him while she bullied some source on the phone.  Instead of thinking “Wow, she’s an abusive asshole”  he thought “Gosh, what a great reporter!”

    And then had to tell us all about it.

  95. 95.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 22, 2020 at 8:50 am

    @JMG: Again, I never referred to anything Miller said. I am not even going to dignify his special brand of butthurt with a comment.

  96. 96.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 8:50 am

    @Steeplejack:

    It seems they’re all counting on the Supreme Court to correct this injustice.

  97. 97.

    raven

    November 22, 2020 at 8:53 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I have a big green japanese fishing float and my bride face it to a guy to make a lamp and he discovered you do not want to drill into them.

  98. 98.

    Steeplejack

    November 22, 2020 at 8:54 am

    @germy:

    A cunning plan!

  99. 99.

    SiubhanDuinne

    November 22, 2020 at 8:56 am

    @raven:

    That looks very cool.

  100. 100.

    debbie

    November 22, 2020 at 8:59 am

    Have any of the attorneys in any of the court cases pointed out that the late mail-in ballots were the ballots Trump tried to “get lost” in the post office? This seems important to me.

    @germy:  The BBC ran a report on her overnight. She is a lunatic, period.

  101. 101.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 22, 2020 at 8:59 am

    @raven: The things we learn!

  102. 102.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 9:00 am

    @germy:

    I could deal with Maggie being an asshole to sources — presumably if they’re lying or otherwise bullshitting — if she got stories of the type/nature that David Fahrenthold or Ari Berman or Ronan Farrow or Jane Mayer produce.

    But she’s just a Trump-fluffing stenographer on the grift for her own tell-all piece of trash.

  103. 103.

    debbie

    November 22, 2020 at 9:02 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    That will delay any treatment, so good news.

  104. 104.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 9:03 am

    @debbie:

    The BBC ran a report on her overnight. She is a lunatic, period.

    I’ve watched a couple of Powell’s TV appearances. She’s evil, a liar, and fucking nuts. I have no idea whether she’s a competent attorney, but I’d bet she isn’t.

  105. 105.

    NotMax

    November 22, 2020 at 9:06 am

    Repeating for the early morning cohort.

    A non-torrid tale of Thanksgiving dining and sex.

  106. 106.

    evodevo

    November 22, 2020 at 9:06 am

    @raven: Uh, yeah, glass don’t do that lol – you either melt a hole in it, or put it intact into a metal frame of some kind…running the wires through the frame…takes imagination and materials knowledge….voice of experience here…

  107. 107.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 22, 2020 at 9:07 am

    @SFAW: Judge Brann says the trump attys are a bunch of clowns in expensive suits. OK, those weren’t his exact words…

  108. 108.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 9:09 am

    Q: If Judge Sullivan rules on the Flynn case and imposes sanctions on all involved before Sidney Powell finishes her MINDKONTROL DOMINION CHAVEZ CASTRO filing, will she still be allowed to file it?— emptywheel (@emptywheel) November 22, 2020

    To be clear: crazy as it may sound I *don't* think Powell is the lawyer in the Flynn case who has engaged in the most obviously sanctionable behavior.— emptywheel (@emptywheel) November 22, 2020

  109. 109.

    evodevo

    November 22, 2020 at 9:10 am

    @NotMax: We had an accidental kill (our dog got ahold of it) wild turkey one time…hubby skinned it and slow-cooked it on the Weber grill…was GREAT.  It was young – probably one of last year’s chicks – but don’t know the sex.  Anyhoo, it was a memorable meal…

  110. 110.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    November 22, 2020 at 9:13 am

    @evodevo:

    I’ve gotten to eat wild turkey one time – it was fantastic.

  111. 111.

    raven

    November 22, 2020 at 9:18 am

    @evodevo: Yea we decided to leave it be.

  112. 112.

    JMG

    November 22, 2020 at 9:20 am

    About a mile down the road from my house, there is a house whose owner is nuts for holiday decorations. For Thanksgiving, he puts up a large cardboard turkey and a couple Pilgrims. One year, driving down the road, I saw a flock of the half-wild turkeys that live in the woods around here carefully examining the cardboard turkey. I did not drive into a tree from laughing but almost. Could just imagine the turkeys saying, “nice guy. Pretty quiet though.”

  113. 113.

    Chyron HR

    November 22, 2020 at 9:21 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Really, I am sick to death of people whining about how unfair the press is. Republicans say the exact same things about the press.

    You should call up the NAACP and tell them to stop whining, because Republicans claim to be victims of racism, too.

  114. 114.

    Kattails

    November 22, 2020 at 9:22 am

    @SFAW: See, a truly full service blog. Skritches of course.  Doesn’t try to change to “scratches”.

    Tanks for asking, It’s Gallery at the Vault in Springfield VT.  In an old bank building, lovely set up for the displays and there really is the old vault right in the center, open of course with displays inside.  Part of the Vermont State Craft centers.  I have a few paintings and some fun silk and ribbon work things. I also have oil paintings at the Vermont Artisan Designs in Brattleboro.  Slow this year, of course, and they were shut down for a couple of months completely. I need to get him some small things. Money’s tight everywhere. He’s been very supportive of my work.

  115. 115.

    Immanentize

    November 22, 2020 at 9:22 am

    @raven: Makes me want to go to Block Island (it’s not far).  I wonder how many people got there this summer?  It’s usually overrun and crowded Memorial Day to Labor Day.  But no one goes in the winter.

  116. 116.

    John S.

    November 22, 2020 at 9:24 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: I usually drink my Wild Turkey. YMMV

  117. 117.

    debbie

    November 22, 2020 at 9:25 am

    @JMG:

    A friend did not remove the statue of a deer the previous owner had installed in the back yard. Just about every spring, she and her husband would witness an actual deer trying to hump the statue.

  118. 118.

    debbie

    November 22, 2020 at 9:27 am

    @raven:

    This was featured on yesterday’s episode of This Old House yesterday!

    ETA: Here’s the episode. It’s about halfway through.

  119. 119.

    raven

    November 22, 2020 at 9:29 am

    @Immanentize: When I fished out of Narraganset I guess I was pretty close.

  120. 120.

    Kattails

    November 22, 2020 at 9:29 am

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Thank you!! Where are you with writing–excited, head banging stage, wrapping up with relief? ;-)

  121. 121.

    raven

    November 22, 2020 at 9:30 am

    @debbie: That’s how I found out about it. I’m trying to stay away from the news (it’s not working) and turned it on this morning.

  122. 122.

    raven

    November 22, 2020 at 9:32 am

    And, despite all the screaming here and in the news, people in my very blue and highly educated neighborhood ARE going places and seeing family this week.  YYMV

  123. 123.

    Immanentize

    November 22, 2020 at 9:32 am

    @raven: Very!  I like Rhode Island — may move there in a couple of years….  But right now if I go In that State at all, I have to quarantine for two weeks.  It’s the worst Covid state in New England.

  124. 124.

    Luciamia

    November 22, 2020 at 9:33 am

    @germy: Honey, you haven’t won ANY of your court cases, and you have as much chance going to SCOTUS as to the North Pole to meet Santa.

  125. 125.

    raven

    November 22, 2020 at 9:34 am

    Tyler Perry is giving meals to 5000 family and the traffic jam is insane.

  126. 126.

    Immanentize

    November 22, 2020 at 9:35 am

    @raven: I read the info at the site.  Last year and this 500 floats were hidden but only about 350 get reported.  Wandering floats?  Or people just don’t report finding them?

  127. 127.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    November 22, 2020 at 9:36 am

    @Kattails: I sent what is hopefully the last round of edits back to my editor yesterday. This is for The Trickster, the book coming out in March.

    I’m also finishing up a revision of a new book. Maybe.

    And for balance, the short story about the stolen car with pet ashes in it was rejected yesterday by the first place I sent it. It’s gone out again to the next place. Sending it out until hell won’t have it.

  128. 128.

    WereBear

    November 22, 2020 at 9:36 am

    @raven: It’s all fun and games until somebody dies.

  129. 129.

    raven

    November 22, 2020 at 9:37 am

    @WereBear: I’ll let them know.

  130. 130.

    Luciamia

    November 22, 2020 at 9:38 am

    @SFAW: She reminds me of Orly Taitz. Remember her?

  131. 131.

    debbie

    November 22, 2020 at 9:40 am

    The church next door has stopped their in-person Sunday service after only one or two weeks. They were being very careful (limited attendance, reservations only, etc.), but because the congregation is mostly elderly, they’ve thought better of it.

  132. 132.

    debbie

    November 22, 2020 at 9:41 am

    @raven:

    The glassblower seemed overwhelmed and almost sorry he had ever started the tradition.

  133. 133.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 22, 2020 at 9:43 am

    @Chyron HR: Why would I complain to the NAACP about GOP whining?

  134. 134.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 9:49 am

    @Kattails:

    Thanks for the link, I bookmarked your page.

    I like your pond scenes, and they’re the kind of thing I’d get for Mrs. SFAW. [Unfortunately, money being what it is, I need to defer stuff like that for awhile.]

  135. 135.

    Barbara

    November 22, 2020 at 9:51 am

    @raven: Chances are, it won’t be them. That seems to be the only thing that counts anymore.

  136. 136.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 9:51 am

    @Luciamia:

    She reminds me of Orly Taitz. Remember her?

    Unfortunately, yes. Although I think I’d rather have her as my attorney (as opposed to Powell).

  137. 137.

    TS (the original)

    November 22, 2020 at 9:51 am

    @SFAW:

    But she’s just a Trump-fluffing stenographer on the grift for her own tell-all piece of trash

    I read about her being one of the  “protective press pool” on an overseas trip – probably more than one. No doubt that’s where some of the information for her book is coming from.

  138. 138.

    catclub

    November 22, 2020 at 9:54 am

    @rikyrah: No. It might be effective to go after one guy rather than the entire GOP senate caucus, but McConnell is their AGENT. Not their boss.

  139. 139.

    Chris Johnson

    November 22, 2020 at 9:57 am

    @Frankensteinbeck: No, I don’t think he’s loving it. I think he’s obeying.

    This is the guy who ‘fell down’ at least once already, whose hands look like he’s been physically tortured, who has always sought expediency by any means necessary, who is the absolute political fulcrum of Russia’s actions against the United States in the way Donald Trump can never be.

    I don’t think he is rejoicing, I think he’s under duress and continuing his actions unto death, which he’s likely being threatened with much like the QAnons are threatening the families and children of Lincoln Project people with death. McConnell is a traitor and is making war upon the United States to the absolute best of his ability because there is now no exit plan for him, no way out, no retirement or simple ‘defeat’.

    I think he’s the fulcrum of it all, in practical terms, and if anybody was to magically disappear to St Petersburg it would be Mitch… but only AFTER he has literally killed as many Americans as Putin thinks he should. And the alternative is for him and probably everybody in his family, to just straight up die horribly. Because he, not Trump, is the fulcrum. He, not Trump, is the key traitor. And he did not do his job well enough to allow the pretense of a Trump re-election in spite of everything he has done to pretend that.

    So he’s got to stay at work and, quietly and methodically, play his part orchestrating the literal death of America as a world power, and MAYBE if he is sufficiently effective at that, he can vanish away to a dacha, and never be seen again. Which is a better deal than Trump would ever get, but he’s provided way, way more service than Trump has.

    That’s my read on the situation. McConnell is not happy. He’s playing a deadly game and looking to survive it, and to do so he’s gotta literally kill us all.

  140. 140.

    MomSense

    November 22, 2020 at 10:01 am

    @Steeplejack:

    The PCR test came back positive and that is the more accurate test.  The rapid test she had at the same time as the PCR test came back negative and then she had a rapid test after and it came back inconclusive.  She’s being super weaselly.  When she had the PCR test she was supposed to isolate regardless of the rapid test result.

  141. 141.

    dr. bloor

    November 22, 2020 at 10:02 am

    I look forward to four years of the press continually being thrown for a loop when a devout Catholic like Biden goes to….[checks notes]…five o’clock Mass without announcing it beforehand on letterhead.

  142. 142.

    Chris Johnson

    November 22, 2020 at 10:06 am

    @dr. bloor: Dear God, man, how could a fellow be expected to predict a thing like that?!? o_O

  143. 143.

    Frankensteinbeck

    November 22, 2020 at 10:07 am

    @Chris Johnson:

    No, I don’t think he’s loving it.

    Have you listened to McConnell talk whenever he does something cruel?  He revels in being an asshole.  This is the shithead who confirmed Barrett on Hillary’s birthday and made a statement that it was a birthday present.  Putin didn’t make him do that.

    This is the guy who ‘fell down’ at least once already, whose hands look like he’s been physically tortured

    He’s old.  He’s sick.  He doesn’t want to admit it.  That’s not exactly unusual and requires no conspiracy theories about Russian threats to be true.

    Because he, not Trump, is the fulcrum. He, not Trump, is the key traitor.

    Absolutely true, but it doesn’t require him to be under any threat.  It requires him to be an asshole and to like taking Russian money.  Both are demonstrably true.  You can throw in that he’s an aging white aristocrat from the deep South who almost certainly was infuriated when a black man was made his boss.  That’s when he went scorched earth total obstruction.

  144. 144.

    different-church-lady

    November 22, 2020 at 10:07 am

    So I see that with Trump’s chances of stealing the election slipping away like hair dye down Rudy’s temples, LGM has decided it’s safe to go All Abolish-The-Police All The Time.

  145. 145.

    WaterGirl

    November 22, 2020 at 10:10 am

    @germy:

    Loeffler has also tested positive for racism, insider trading, unearned arrogance, conspiracy theories and pandering.

    That is so good that I just wanted to see it again.

  146. 146.

    MomSense

    November 22, 2020 at 10:11 am

    @Chris Johnson:

    He may be obeying, but he’s also enjoying causing people to suffer.  I’m with Frankensteinbeck on this.  McConnell is an evil person who enjoys the suffering of others.

  147. 147.

    Baud

    November 22, 2020 at 10:14 am

    @different-church-lady:

    So I see that with Trump’s chances of stealing the election slipping away like hair dye down Rudy’s temples

    Nice.

  148. 148.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    November 22, 2020 at 10:14 am

    @Luciamia:

    The only bad part is that there are two or three votes to review and tip the election. Scam Alito’s dissent will be used as a right wing rallying cry for years.

  149. 149.

    MomSense

    November 22, 2020 at 10:16 am

    Also too, I still fucking loathe Paul Ryan and I don’t want his complicity and sociopathy to be forgotten.  I hope his slimy ass is investigated.  He knew there were members of Congress and the GOP candidate for President who were on the take from Putin.

  150. 150.

    Kattails

    November 22, 2020 at 10:16 am

    @SFAW: That’s sweet, thanks.  I grew up near the Great Swamp wildlife refuge in NJ, then lived near the coastal flyway for a few years, now in NH where there are lovely ponds all over the place. I really enjoy painting the water reflections.

  151. 151.

    rikyrah

    November 22, 2020 at 10:17 am

    If you're traveling for the holiday this week, make sure your life insurance is paid up and your will is done. COVID don't give a shit about you or your best-laid plans. pic.twitter.com/L61v64dWBs— Skeptical Brotha ??? (@skepticalbrotha) November 21, 2020

  152. 152.

    Barbara

    November 22, 2020 at 10:18 am

    @MomSense: PCR is gold standard. No need to keep testing. Idiot.

  153. 153.

    Steeplejack

    November 22, 2020 at 10:19 am

    Interesting niblet in a thread replying to a Dave Weigel tweet: “Time to check in with the White House adviser from 14 days ago who assured us off record that Trump was just funnin’.”

    Reporters have this weird bias where they think that what a source tells them off the record is always true and reflects that person’s honest beliefs.

    — Ben Feddersen (@SnoozeButtonBen) November 22, 2020

  154. 154.

    WaterGirl

    November 22, 2020 at 10:20 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I go to a great place about 25 miles from here that looks just like that.  Ours is called Prairie Fire Glass.

    Sadly, not this year.  It’s been a Christmas tradition for me as long as I can remember.  So is the annual Artists Guild Fair every November.  But not this year.  Oh well.

    Hopefully next year!

  155. 155.

    Baud

    November 22, 2020 at 10:22 am

    @Steeplejack:

    It seems there are competing anonymous sources saying opposite things.  Thankfully, what Trump believes is irrelevant.  The only person we care about is the GSA administrator.

  156. 156.

    Steeplejack

    November 22, 2020 at 10:24 am

    @MomSense:

    Kelly Loeffler is weaseling?! I am shocked—shocked!

  157. 157.

    Sab

    November 22, 2020 at 10:26 am

    I bet Biden has been going to Mass every Sunday at the same time at the same church for forty years, yet our brilliant press cannot figure out when and where he is going on a Sunday morning so they can have the press bus clean and ready to go on time.

  158. 158.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 10:28 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    Is there anything less useful that a White House pool reporter?

    Did you see them yelling at Pence after he walked out of his last press conference without taking questions?  They screamed that he was undermining democracy.  One lady reporter even shouted “shit!” Jon Karl looked like he wanted to punch a wall.

    Mike Pence:

    A profile in cowardice… pic.twitter.com/qyou51Bn1U

    — Rex Chapman?? (@RexChapman) November 19, 2020

  159. 159.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 10:29 am

    @Sab:  I don’t know why they have to bother him at church.  They film him leaving the service like he’s exiting an international summit.

  160. 160.

    Steeplejack

    November 22, 2020 at 10:30 am

    @germy:

    Yes, now they’re getting all feisty and confrontational. ?

  161. 161.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 10:33 am

    @Steeplejack:

    Wait until Biden is sworn in…

    Then they’ll really get confrontational!  And we’ll be hearing a lot about the (gasp!) deficit every day.

  162. 162.

    Immanentize

    November 22, 2020 at 10:34 am

    @MomSense: Republicans always want a do over regardless of the proof.  Loeffler is another friggin crybaby who doesn’t like the result she got.

    ERA Meanwhile, Warnock sent a very kind and supportive tweet sending her blessing and hoping she was back on the campaign trail fast.  They don’t even recognize class anymore.

  163. 163.

    Immanentize

    November 22, 2020 at 10:36 am

    @dr. bloor: We used to call.the 5:00 Saturday Mass — Cocktail Hour Christianity.

  164. 164.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    November 22, 2020 at 10:37 am

    @Steeplejack:

    Exactly. They groveled and took it and took it. They didn’t back up Acosta or Karem back when it would have helped, and only now have found the power and courage after he lost.

  165. 165.

    Immanentize

    November 22, 2020 at 10:37 am

    @different-church-lady: I was sadly awake in the middle of last night.  How’s the head this morning, friend?

  166. 166.

    Mike S (Now with a Democratic Congressperson!)

    November 22, 2020 at 10:38 am

    @WaterGirl:  A great meme to start from David Brin’s blog as a way to “stick it to the libs.

     “many MAGAs in GA plan to write in Trump for the Senate seats. Okaaay> Sounds like a good thing to suggest at Thanksgiving dinner….”

  167. 167.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    November 22, 2020 at 10:39 am

    @germy:

    “We’re told that tough choices will have to be made regarding the safety net in order to regain control of the deficit….”

  168. 168.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 22, 2020 at 10:39 am

    Rex Chapman
    Horse racing
    @RexChapman

    Never forget that we’re all in this together. Spread the love.

    Be kind. It ain’t hard…

    I sure wish whoever is cutting onions would open up some ventilation in here.

  169. 169.

    Immanentize

    November 22, 2020 at 10:42 am

    @germy: Intergalactic summit.  Universal even.

  170. 170.

    different-church-lady

    November 22, 2020 at 10:43 am

    @Immanentize: Not bad, considering the “condition” last night.

  171. 171.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 10:43 am

    Two different Americas.

    LEFT: Americans on food lines in Texas.

    RIGHT: Michigan legislators at Trump Hotel drinking Dom Perignon pic.twitter.com/cSVoU5WyAY

    — JeremyNewberger (@jeremynewberger) November 21, 2020

  172. 172.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 22, 2020 at 10:44 am

    @WaterGirl: I’m going especially because of the Covid. Pretty sure they can really use the business. I’ll go at a day and time when I am sure the shop will be empty except for me and them and I will spend as little time inside as possible.

  173. 173.

    Immanentize

    November 22, 2020 at 10:44 am

    @different-church-lady: When this shit is finally flushed, I’m buying if you are willing to yell.?

  174. 174.

    Steeplejack

    November 22, 2020 at 10:45 am

    @germy:

    I can’t wait! [Gene’s voice from Bob’s Burgers.]

  175. 175.

    Immanentize

    November 22, 2020 at 10:46 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: This was a how I feel about some places I love.  I try to keep buying from them (Ramen place, Italian family deli, etc.) But I also try to not linger.  Buying, not shopping.

  176. 176.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 22, 2020 at 10:48 am

    @Immanentize: It won’t be easy to get in and get out because everything is so damned beautiful it’s hard to choose, but I’ll do the best I can.

  177. 177.

    Immanentize

    November 22, 2020 at 10:57 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Beauty is its own reward.  But so is Covid.

  178. 178.

    danielx

    November 22, 2020 at 10:57 am

    Drove by the Catholic church a couple of blocks from my house last evening, and parking lot was packed for 5 pm Mass. FSM forgive me, but my first thought was “some of you are going to be meeting Jesus a lot sooner than you planned”.

  179. 179.

    Baud

    November 22, 2020 at 10:58 am

    @Immanentize:

    They don’t even recognize class anymore.

    They actually do, which is why they hate us so much.

  180. 180.

    Ken

    November 22, 2020 at 10:59 am

    @SFAW: throwing Ken Vogel (for example) between a shooter and President Biden

    There are PCs and then there are mook shields.

  181. 181.

    Ken

    November 22, 2020 at 11:00 am

    @SFAW: tweeting his insanity/shit as non-President might get him banned or blocked

    Or arrested for revealing classified information.  Though it’s probably unlikely, since he would have to have retained any of the classified information he’s received.

  182. 182.

    Ken

    November 22, 2020 at 11:01 am

    @debbie: witness an actual deer trying to hump the statue.

    By rule 34, there is a p*rn site for that.

  183. 183.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    November 22, 2020 at 11:02 am

    @danielx: Some of my neighbors go to a Catholic church a couple of blocks away. They have to make reservations because capacity is limited somehow. At least, that’s been the case for the couple of months during which things were better. Pritzker took us two levels up this week, so maybe that’s changed.

  184. 184.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 11:02 am

    Jenna Ellis, at the press conference with Rudi and Sidney,  said “We’re an elite, strikeforce team.”

    "this is an elite, strikeforce team" pic.twitter.com/xI0lHqBIwp— shauna (@goldengateblond) November 22, 2020

  185. 185.

    WaterGirl

    November 22, 2020 at 11:02 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I’m sure it will help them.  This conversation prompted me to see if my place had set up an online store, and they had!  So I just ordered some glass ornaments.  Thanks for providing the inspiration!

  186. 186.

    John S.

    November 22, 2020 at 11:03 am

    @Ken: He will definitely be banned from Twitter and forced to retreat to the alternate reality that Parler has already created for Trump and his supporters.

  187. 187.

    Ken

    November 22, 2020 at 11:03 am

    @dr. bloor: I look forward to four years of the press continually being thrown for a loop when a devout Catholic like Biden goes to….[checks notes]…five o’clock Mass without announcing it beforehand on letterhead.

    Oh, come on. Even dogs learn human schedules after a few months.

  188. 188.

    Ken

    November 22, 2020 at 11:05 am

    @germy: Jenna Ellis, at the press conference with Rudi and Sidney, said “We’re an elite, strikeforce team.”

    Reminding me of the X-Force in Deadpool 2.

  189. 189.

    Gravenstone

    November 22, 2020 at 11:06 am

    @Immanentize: She probably doesn’t even recognize Warnock as human. Him being a Black Democrat and all…

  190. 190.

    patrick II

    November 22, 2020 at 11:07 am

    So, let me get this straight. Trump’s new strike force one legal team (that sounds so cool, probably makes kids want to grow up to be lawyers and join strike force one someday) has a theory expounded by Sidney Powell that the CIA gave Cesar Chaves (now dead seven years) an algorithm that would screw up current Dominion voting machines (because software never updates so the code still works) with the help of Kemp and Raffensperger.  A part that I don’t see fits in is that somehow the real counts ended up on a server in Germany that was raided by the U.S. Army.  I’m not sure why.  Is the army trying to get the real counts and save the U.S. election or they part of the Deep State and keep the numbers secret?  Anyhow, because of this and the flying saucer that landed in Raffensperger’s back yard last week, the election should be given to Trump.

    I will say, if that really happened, I’m all in. Ed Wood should direct the movie.

  191. 191.

    JPL

    November 22, 2020 at 11:09 am

    @rikyrah: I find Loeffler’s ad racist.    They’re dark and grainy and pivot to a classroom that looks like it’s out of the fifties, with the students saluting the flag.    She’s an awful person.

  192. 192.

    WaterGirl

    November 22, 2020 at 11:11 am

    @JPL: She is truly a despicable human being.

  193. 193.

    Gravenstone

    November 22, 2020 at 11:12 am

    @Ken: I was thinking of the Red State Trike Farce myself. But yeah, they do love their faux elite self designations.

  194. 194.

    different-church-lady

    November 22, 2020 at 11:12 am

    @germy: But… but PELOSI EATS EXPENSIVE ICE CREAM!!!

  195. 195.

    different-church-lady

    November 22, 2020 at 11:13 am

    @Immanentize: That’s either a positive feedback loop or a downward spiral, can’t decide which…

  196. 196.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 11:14 am

    @Ken:

    Reminding me of the X-Force in Deadpool 2.

    One hopes you also remember the Red State Strike Force a/k/a Red States Trike Force. Good times, good times.

  197. 197.

    Benw

    November 22, 2020 at 11:15 am

    @Immanentize: Intergalactic planetary. Planetary intergalactic

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qORYO0atB6g

  198. 198.

    JPL

    November 22, 2020 at 11:15 am

    @patrick II: I hope he keeps attacking Kemp, because he’s running for reelection in 2022.  If Raffensperger, runs for reelection I’d consider voting for him.

  199. 199.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 11:16 am

    @patrick II:

    that the CIA gave Cesar Chaves (now dead seven years)

    Hugo Chavez, maybe?

  200. 200.

    patrick II

    November 22, 2020 at 11:19 am

    @SFAW:

    Yeah, Hugo Chavez.  Getting old sucks.  But Cesar is a long-dead commie so that would have worked too.

  201. 201.

    Spanky

    November 22, 2020 at 11:21 am

    @SFAW: THEY’RE ALL THE SAME PERSON, SHEEPLE!

  202. 202.

    WaterGirl

    November 22, 2020 at 11:21 am

    @JPL: I’m really curious.  Why would you consider choosing a Republican over a Democrat for a position as important as Georgia secretary of state?

    edit: He outright said that he was disappointed in the outcome in Georgia.  He may have done the right thing in this instance, but overall the Republicans have not shown themselves to be either impartial or unwilling to put a finger on the scale.

    After what they have displayed these last 4 years, I think the republicans need to be driven into the ground, and that means not voting for any of them, for anything.

  203. 203.

    Spanky

    November 22, 2020 at 11:22 am

    Test

  204. 204.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 11:23 am

    Senator Kelly Loeffler owns the @wnba team in Georgia.

    The Atlanta Dream.

    She filed a bill recently targeting trans woman & girl athletes.

    She’s also taken a complete dump on the BLM movement at every turn. Ugliness.

    Please vote her out, Georgia…pic.twitter.com/B0K8T8APmq

    — Rex Chapman?? (@RexChapman) November 22, 2020

  205. 205.

    Spanky

    November 22, 2020 at 11:24 am

    Phone test. Comments from desktop get eated.

  206. 206.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 11:25 am

    @WaterGirl:

    I agree.  And keep them out of Democratic administrations.  No more “Republican Daddies” – like Comey.

  207. 207.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 11:25 am

    @JPL:

    I hope he keeps attacking Kemp, because he’s running for reelection in 2022.

    And maybe it will distract Kemp from getting even more racist voter disenfranchisement shit enacted

  208. 208.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 11:26 am

    @patrick II:

    Getting old sucks.

    I used to say that, but I modified it to “getting decrepit sucks,” for obvious reasons.

  209. 209.

    Miss Bianca

    November 22, 2020 at 11:30 am

    @Kattails:

    (why hasn’t autocorrect learned that scritches is a word yet?)

    Try spelling it with a ‘k’

    @SFAW: Jinx! Or would that be ‘jincks’? : )

  210. 210.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 22, 2020 at 11:30 am

    President trump is taking a break from overturning an election to golf as we die from a pandemic he could give fuck all about. That’s what’s unacceptable.— Q. K. Philander Doesticks (@Adam_Burke_) November 21, 2020

  211. 211.

    Steve in the ATL

    November 22, 2020 at 11:30 am

    @evodevo: I’ve shot and eaten a bunch of wild turkeys over the years.  Good stuff, though some people don’t like turkey that has actual flavor.   Drank a lot of it too in my younger days….

  212. 212.

    Steve in the ATL

    November 22, 2020 at 11:31 am

    @raven: so explain to me how this “having a QB” works. It’s alien to me, but it sure was fun last night!

  213. 213.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 11:32 am

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I’ve shot and eaten a bunch of wild turkeys over the years.

    Literally?

  214. 214.

    frosty

    November 22, 2020 at 11:33 am

    @different-church-lady:  Glad to hear the “condition” isn’t debilitating this morning! I hope your (non-COVID of course) breathing issues get better too.

  215. 215.

    Immanentize

    November 22, 2020 at 11:34 am

    @Benw: “I like my sugar with coffee and cream.”

    Love the Beasties.

    (Favorite lyric:
    “Which came first? The chicken or the egg? I egged the chicken, then I ate its leg.”)

  216. 216.

    raven

    November 22, 2020 at 11:35 am

    @Steve in the ATL: A lot of dawg blogger people are pretty pissed at Kirby for not playing him and the lizards.

  217. 217.

    mrmoshpotato

    November 22, 2020 at 11:36 am

    @Steeplejack: Bob: Gene, get off the boulders.

    Gene: They love it!

  218. 218.

    frosty

    November 22, 2020 at 11:37 am

    deleted- someone else made the same comment and no point in piling  on with nitpicks

  219. 219.

    Chief Oshkosh

    November 22, 2020 at 11:38 am

    Here’s a pro tip for the WHPC: Being despised across the entire political spectrum does not mean that you’ve struck some appropriate, professional balance.

    It just means you’re despicable.

  220. 220.

    Baud

    November 22, 2020 at 11:39 am

    @patrick II:

    I don’t find their story plausible because Hillary Clinton has no role in it.

  221. 221.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 11:39 am

    @Miss Bianca:

    Or would that be ‘jincks’?

    That would cawse spelchekc to blow a gakset.

  222. 222.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    November 22, 2020 at 11:40 am

    @Frankensteinbeck: Here is another way to look at Yertle the Turtle; he’s a “government is never the solution (except when it comes to my state)” conservative and there is the pandemic. His brain is likely in the middle of some massive spiritual crises and he is an old dude with one foot in grave, not really up to changing. That sadistic glee you are seeing is just Yertle lashing out that people his muddled head thing are hurting him by forcing him to think.

  223. 223.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 11:41 am

    @Baud:

    I don’t find their story plausible because Hillary Clinton has no role in it.

    OMG! I hadn’t caught that, you’re absolutely right!

  224. 224.

    J R in WV

    November 22, 2020 at 11:43 am

    @debbie:

    A friend did not remove the statue of a deer the previous owner had installed in the back yard. Just about every spring, she and her husband would witness an actual deer trying to hump the statue.

    Living in the forested hills as we do, our dogs are free to wander as they will. They sometimes will chase deer for a little while, perhaps a hundred yards or less.

    Many years ago when we just had Muffin, a fuzzy grey-black pup, our first rescue, wife was staying with my folks, who live in a forested suburban nieghborhood with paved streets and traffic, none of which was what Muffin was used to.

    So wife took Muffin on long walks, on a leash, which was great fun. Then they came across a suburban ranch house with concrete deer in the front yard. Muffin got very still and quivered a little, then crept towards them. Was a little shocked they didn’t notice her and run away.

    Then she got close enough to sniff at them, and looked at wife as if to say “You tried to fool me, didn’t you?” after which she resolutely ignored them. Was so funny…!!!

  225. 225.

    Miss Bianca

    November 22, 2020 at 11:48 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I sure wish I could look at these sweet images and not be screaming in my head, “AAAAGH, why aren’t you wearing a mask? Why are you hugging strangers?!”

    The Before Times are starting to seem that alien to me…

  226. 226.

    Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)

    November 22, 2020 at 11:48 am

    @Frankensteinbeck: Yes to all of this. McConnell is exactly what you said he is. PBO’s election drove him, and a significant portion of the country, batshit nuts. The concept of black people being tolerated so long as they don’t rise too far is as old as the hills. Ask me how I know.

  227. 227.

    Spanky

    November 22, 2020 at 11:48 am

    Desktop test.

  228. 228.

    debbie

    November 22, 2020 at 11:49 am

    @germy:

    A strikeforce team in the service of idiocy!

  229. 229.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 11:50 am

    @frosty:

    someone else made the same comment and no point in piling  on with nitpicks

    You’re apparently new here.

  230. 230.

    Miss Bianca

    November 22, 2020 at 11:52 am

    @frosty:

    I just checked in 

    To see what condition my d-c-l’s condition was in. 

    Hmm, doesn’t scan…

  231. 231.

    Steve in the ATL

    November 22, 2020 at 11:52 am

    @SFAW: I know you’re being an smartass, but yes.  Though I didn’t mention the step of cooking it.

    @raven: which is so stupid. We know he would have played sooner had his knee been ok.

  232. 232.

    frosty

    November 22, 2020 at 11:53 am

    @SFAW: I was waiting for that. I was going to put something like it in my comment but decided one of our astute commenters would catch it. Congratulations!

  233. 233.

    debbie

    November 22, 2020 at 11:53 am

    @J R in WV:

    Cute! Like a kitten stalking a shoe!

  234. 234.

    Chris Johnson

    November 22, 2020 at 11:53 am

    @MomSense: …yeah, you got me there. I can’t honestly say you’re wrong, I overstated things.

    He enjoys being cruel AND he is a traitor that has failed to deliver the puppet presidency to Putin for a second term. I still don’t think he’s a happy guy, or destined for a good end. We can both be right, in a sense.

    Just don’t act like he’s this invincible happy tyrant comfortably wrecking everything and laughing. To do so is to participate in the making of a myth that serves him and Putin, when the facts are, he lost and I think he is actually in danger. Losing is not a safe option for these people: they can be held accountable for failing to overthrow the USA and deliver it to Trump. Not only can Putin harm them, the monster they created expects blood. Hell, the Trumpists have turned on freaking Fox and Tucker Carlson lately. McConnell isn’t safe, and shouldn’t be happy, and isn’t.

  235. 235.

    Kattails

    November 22, 2020 at 11:53 am

    @Miss Bianca: well, in my defense, scratches with a “c”, it seemed like just replacing the a with an i. Replacing two letters is harder. 8-) PS it still thinks skritches is not a word, gives it the red underline, but does not autocorrect. So there’s that.

  236. 236.

    frosty

    November 22, 2020 at 11:54 am

    @Miss Bianca: Doesn’t scan? Call Subaru Dianne!!

    (Hey, that rhymed!)

  237. 237.

    Chris Johnson

    November 22, 2020 at 11:55 am

    @MomSense: That’s because he was the next generation of Putin-controlled traitors. He knew exactly what he was covering up and why.

    Ryan is exactly the kind of person Russia would love and use. Like McConnell, there’d be a chance he’d earn a dacha for his service. No dacha for Trump.

  238. 238.

    Kirk Spencer

    November 22, 2020 at 11:55 am

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    You can throw in that he’s an aging white aristocrat from the deep South who almost certainly was infuriated when a black man was made his boss.  That’s when he went scorched earth total obstruction.

    This. In my mind, I picture him as deciding back in 2008 that the country had fallen but if he just stayed the course it could recover. Then in 2012 deciding it was so far gone it needed to be destroyed so it could be rebuilt correctly. Which meant actively blocking and destroying every single thing that blot had supported or provided – no poison apples, no ‘but one good thing’, everything. Break it down to ash and root, and only then can it be regrown straight and true.

  239. 239.

    debbie

    November 22, 2020 at 11:59 am

    @different-church-lady:

    Just read the overnight thread. Your immune system got fucked over. You may be on to something with it being allergies.

  240. 240.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 11:59 am

    @J R in WV:

    So wife took Muffin on long walks, on a leash, which was great fun. Then they came across a suburban ranch house with concrete deer in the front yard. Muffin got very still and quivered a little, then crept towards them. Was a little shocked they didn’t notice her and run away.

    I live in the outer suburbs — deer, fisher cats, turkeys, coyotes have all traipsed through our yard at various times. About 10 years ago, I came home one afternoon (or evening) to see three or four deer in our back yard. I walked over, to see how close I could get  before they’d flee.

    As I got closer, I noticed that one of them appeared to be staring at something in the grass/lawn. That “something” was one of our cats, at the time she was barely more than a kitten. And this cat was in “stalk” mode — her belly was flat on the ground, and she was creeping forward, getting ready to spring at or onto the deer. Which was 20 times her size. Eventually she got so close that the deer got spooked, and jumped away.

  241. 241.

    Kattails

    November 22, 2020 at 12:00 pm

    @patrick II: Analyis sounds perfect. Have you sent it to the AWOL Mr. Silverman for peer review?

  242. 242.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 12:00 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I know you’re being an smartass, but yes.

    Of course I am. And I didn’t doubt you, by the way.

  243. 243.

    Benw

    November 22, 2020 at 12:02 pm

    @frosty: stop that rhyming, I mean it!!

  244. 244.

    Miss Bianca

    November 22, 2020 at 12:02 pm

    @frosty: Yep! And as the Dutch Admiral says in Captain Blood, “Very boedical, too!” : )

  245. 245.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 12:03 pm

    @frosty:

    but decided one of our astute commenters would catch it. Congratulations!

    I’m only half a stute. Sorta like half-fast, only different.

  246. 246.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 12:03 pm

    @Benw:

    Are we supposed to ask if you’d like a peanut?

  247. 247.

    raven

    November 22, 2020 at 12:04 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:

     

    “It was definitely something I saw, they were trying o send more pressure. They were playing more one high and zero high than they had shown on film. If you have George Pickens and Jermaine Burton, if you’re not going to throw it up to them, don’t recruit them. George made me look good, Jermaine made me look good, Kearis makes me look really good when I under throw a deep ball down the middle and he makes a great play. If you are give one-on-one with George, Kearis and Jermaine, and all our guys, I’m probably going to try to make you show me you can stop it.”

  248. 248.

    Ken

    November 22, 2020 at 12:05 pm

    @Miss Bianca: Or would that be ‘jincks’?

    Only if you’re Thelma in Scooby-Doo.

    No, sorry – that was “jinckies”.

  249. 249.

    Benw

    November 22, 2020 at 12:06 pm

    @SFAW: AUGH!

  250. 250.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 22, 2020 at 12:06 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: Amen to all of it, with the minor quibble that AFAIK, McConnell is not now and has never been a Southern aristocrat, I don’t think there’s a plantation or even a big house in his family history. He may be a wannabe
    We talk a lot about trump’s psychoses, but what’s usually called McConnell’s desire for power, with no deeper examination, is linked to some deep flaw in his own head.

  251. 251.

    patrick II

    November 22, 2020 at 12:07 pm

    @Baud:

    The judge asked Sidney Powell for evidence which she couldn’t produce “at this time” because the plot’s planning remains among deleted emails on Hillary’s server hidden in the basement of a Ukrainian billionaire.    Giuliani will be in touch.

  252. 252.

    Aleta

    November 22, 2020 at 12:08 pm

    Excuse me while I complain (selectively and maybe unfairly) about Bo Erickson CBS.

    Bo Erickson CBS @BoKnowsNews
    Nov 20
    Asked Biden if he will encourage teacher unions to cooperate to get kids back in school because the COVID task force said it is safe to be in the classroom. He didn’t answer.

    This is rich. CBS’s own reporting on the COVID task force’s  first remarks to the press since July (allowing no questions) didn’t mention schools.  It focused on repeating without question the task force’s disingenuous emphases:

    (Nov 19, CBS)    HHS Secretary Alex Azar said “hope and help” are on the way”…. Gen. Gustav Perna said… “I can look you in the face and say to you EUA (emergency use authorization) comes, 24 hours later vaccines will be distributed out to the American people and be ready for administration,” adding that the vaccine would be delivered to multiple sites in every state, including local pharmacies and healthcare centers.

    (Pence said)  “Even as we see help on the way, the vaccines being developed at a historic pace, … we are seeing cases and positivity rising across the country. … “We have forged a partnership that is truly seamless with state and local health authorities. … We have continued to work seven days a week, all throughout this year … to make sure the American people have access to the health care that we’d want any member of our family to have.” …

    Pence, Perna and Azar showed up to dictate this message two days after CBS had obtained state reports from anonymous administration sources.  CBS repeated one line about schools:

    (Nov 17, CBS)    Doctors on the WH Coronavirus Task Force stressed to Pence … the situation is dire and only getting worse, two senior administration officials familiar with the meeting told CBS News…. The doctors on the task force are also concerned the predicted spikes will completely overrun hospitals….

    To prevent this from happening, the doctors are recommending that bars close and restaurants stop offering indoor dining. However, they believe schools can stay open because data shows the transmission rates are low.

     

    NEW: @CBSNews has obtained several state reports by the WH Coronavirus Task Force, which warn:  “There is now aggressive, unrelenting, expanding broad community spread across the country, reaching most counties, without evidence of improvement but rather, further deterioration.” pic.twitter.com/xLfT8psR8N
    — Sara Cook (@saraecook) November 17, 2020

    But Bo Erickson is tweeting about Biden attending church unannounced (perhaps to walk in ahead of the press pool yelling questions); and about Biden ignoring his question about supposedly safe schools and uncooperative teacher unions;  and about why Biden “hasn’t called McConnell to talk about COVID.”

  253. 253.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 12:08 pm

    Donald Trump Jr says he will pass time in Covid isolation by cleaning his guns https://t.co/ZKrWANnC8n— Guardian news (@guardiannews) November 21, 2020

  254. 254.

    Spanky

    November 22, 2020 at 12:10 pm

    Testing is all. Nothing to see here

    (ETA: Yay!)

  255. 255.

    patrick II

    November 22, 2020 at 12:10 pm

    @Kattails:

    I’m sending it to Q for verification first.

  256. 256.

    J R in WV

    November 22, 2020 at 12:11 pm

    @SFAW:

    About 10 years ago, I came home one afternoon (or evening) to see three or four deer in our back yard. I walked over, to see how close I could get before they’d flee.

    As I got closer, I noticed that one of them appeared to be staring at something in the grass/lawn. That “something” was one of our cats, at the time she was barely more than a kitten. And this cat was in “stalk” mode — her belly was flat on the ground, and she was creeping forward, getting ready to spring at or onto the deer. Which was 20 times her size. Eventually she got so close that the deer got spooked, and jumped away.

    We have a small nearly feral (in-the-sense-that-she-hunts-to eat-her-prey) kitty, maybe 11 pounds, who would jump on a deer in a heartbeat. So ferocious she is!

    Squirrel is about the biggest thing she brings home, but very ambitious in that way. Fierce little critter! Is finally old enough to come in from the storm and cold but clearly prefers to be out in the deep woods!

    ETA: I have to be careful about letting her in when she cries outside the front door, sometimes she has a mouthful of something still alive…

  257. 257.

    Tenar Arha

    November 22, 2020 at 12:11 pm

    I have now been standing outdoors in line for over an hour for a COVID-19 test. And current me is very mad at past me for going “it’s not that cold, you won’t need a parka or a big woolly scarf” & then getting into the car.

  258. 258.

    pamelabrown53

    November 22, 2020 at 12:13 pm

    @Kattails:

    Hi, Kattails. Was wondering if you have a website? I’d love to see your mixed media,i.e., silk/ribbons creations!

  259. 259.

    Bill Arnold

    November 22, 2020 at 12:18 pm

    @John S.:

    He will definitely be banned from Twitter and forced to retreat to the alternate reality that Parler has already created for Trump and his supporters.

    I notice a lot of fun already being had by [progressives] on Parler. Tempted, very tempted, after reading the origin stories, e.g.
    Rebekah Mercer is funding Parler, the social-media app touted by Republican politicians and pundits that conservatives are flocking to (Kelsey Vlamis, Nov 15, 2020)
    Just don’t need another time suck at the moment.

  260. 260.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 12:19 pm

    "It's working!" Check out the critters big and small who are using Utah's first wildlife overpass to cross Interstate 80. The @UtahDWR shared this video on Thursday. pic.twitter.com/H7d896eiYs— KUTV2news (@KUTV2News) November 21, 2020

  261. 261.

    J R in WV

    November 22, 2020 at 12:19 pm

    @pamelabrown53:

    Also, Kattails, the oil paintings are really wonderful, great work~!!~

  262. 262.

    Miss Bianca

    November 22, 2020 at 12:21 pm

    @J R in WV: Lately, Roxy the Wolf Girl has been on a bunny-hunting spree. The other night she went out (it was bedtime, so she went out through the sliding glass door in the bedroom) and re-appeared about ten minutes later, mouth bulging, with bunny ears sticking out the side.

    I felt like a terrible person for laughing, but it really looked so goddamned funny I went into hysterics. But I drew the line at letting her bring it in – I am about the least house-proud jackal you could possibly imagine, but even *I* have *some* standards!

  263. 263.

    BC in Illinois

    November 22, 2020 at 12:22 pm

    @germy:

    Donald Trump Jr says he will pass time in Covid isolation by cleaning his guns https://t.co/ZKrWANnC8n— Guardian news (@guardiannews) November 21, 2020

    Shannon Watts — in a tweet I can’t locate at this moment — wondered whether “cleaning his guns” was now being used as a euphemism for some other personal activity.

    ETA — Shannon Watts is the founder of Mom’s Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, so she has probably heard all kinds of things about guns.

  264. 264.

    Baud

    November 22, 2020 at 12:23 pm

    @germy:

    Yeah, but what about the anti-overpass wildlife who oppose the government taking away their freedoms to cross the busy highway.

  265. 265.

    WaterGirl

    November 22, 2020 at 12:24 pm

    @Spanky: You made it to the ban list somehow, which I fixed.  Let me know if I should delete your test comments.  I just wanted you to be able to see that everything came through.

  266. 266.

    Baud

    November 22, 2020 at 12:25 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    He knows what he did.

  267. 267.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 12:27 pm

    @BC in Illinois:

    I think it means he wants to incite his followers to violence if his father doesn’t win the election.

  268. 268.

    BC in Illinois

    November 22, 2020 at 12:28 pm

    @Baud:

    Yeah, but what about the anti-overpass wildlife who oppose the government taking away their freedoms to cross the busy highway.

    Someone who worked on a county highway department in southern Illinois had to listen to complaints about a “Deer Crossing” sign. People thought that they had picked a terrible location for the deer to cross the road.

  269. 269.

    Bill Arnold

    November 22, 2020 at 12:28 pm

    @patrick II:

    an algorithm that would screw up current Dominion voting machines (because software never updates so the code still works)

    Also, I am fairly sure that the source code is carefully read and inspected by multiple eyes/minds, even for the proprietary systems. And continuously, not just once. (I have an engineer friend involved in certification of voting machines, mostly the hardware aspects (his specialty) but he has confidence in the software of the systems he’s been involved in the evaluation of.) Seven years is a lot of time for a conspiracy to fall apart. Could be wrong, of course.
    The flip side is that if indeed this insane conspiracy is true, then by Wingnut Logic, there is a solid and valid argument that the 2016 election was stolen by Trump and the 2020 election was almost also stolen by Trump but they underestimated the numbers and political skew of mail-in votes.

  270. 270.

    BC in Illinois

    November 22, 2020 at 12:29 pm

    @germy:

    Yeah, that’s worse than what I had in mind.

  271. 271.

    jonas

    November 22, 2020 at 12:30 pm

    @BC in Illinois: An oldie but goodie from The Onion. Best line:

    “Those guys up there in Washington are tryin’ to take our guns away, but we ain’t gonna let ’em,” Greer continued, adding classic paternal displacement to the already rich psychosexual tapestry. “No siree, Bob.”

  272. 272.

    WaterGirl

    November 22, 2020 at 12:31 pm

    @Kattails: Also in your defense:

    scritch (plural scritches) A light scratching sound, like a small animal burrowing. The act of scratching an itch.

    And again, when I searched for skritches:

    Did you mean: scritches

    The term scritch, also known as scritchies, skritch, or skritches, is given to the act of gently scratching someone’s back, neck or between the ears in an affectionate manner using one’s fingernails (or more lightly with fingertips)…

  273. 273.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    November 22, 2020 at 12:31 pm

    Aren’t they embarrassed to have this disturbed woman speaking for them>

    Sidney Powell now alleging that "thousands" of poll workers were secretly trained — in Venezuela, by the ghost of Chavez — to join GOP leaders Brian Kemp, Mike DeWine, Pat Toomey, Liz Cheney, Chris Christie, & every single judge in the world but Alito, who is her cousin Vinny.— Jeff Sharlet (@JeffSharlet) November 22, 2020

  274. 274.

    NotMax

    November 22, 2020 at 12:32 pm

    @debbie et al.

    Haven’t visited but may as well give a plug for a glassworks on Maui.

  275. 275.

    Baud

    November 22, 2020 at 12:33 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    every single judge in the world but Alito, 

    I find this part credible.

  276. 276.

    debbie

    November 22, 2020 at 12:35 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    I’m still trying to figure out how Chavez and Dominion are connected. ??‍♀️

  277. 277.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 12:35 pm

    https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1

    She retweets people named catturd and links to articles in the epoch times.

    At first I thought Mr. Powell was just a grifter, but at this point I think she’s a true believer.

  278. 278.

    Miss Bianca

    November 22, 2020 at 12:35 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Aren’t they embarrassed to have this disturbed woman speaking for them

    You’d think so, but…just judging by the comments on the Sentinel’s (local right-wing pamphlet’s) FB page about her presser the other day, I’d say…believe it or not…NOT.

  279. 279.

    Uncle Cosmo

    November 22, 2020 at 12:35 pm

    @debbie: Have any of the attorneys in any of the court cases pointed out that the late mail-in ballots were the ballots Trump tried to “get lost” in the post office? This seems important to me.

    Ditto. And once it became obvious the USPS was being hamstrung to preclude timely delivery of mail, and voters were encouraged to drop their ballots off to avoid the bottleneck, Thuglican officials consistently fought to restrict or eliminate drop-off facilities. One drop-off location for the 4 million people in Harris County TX? One drop-off location per county in OH? C’mon, man!

  280. 280.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 22, 2020 at 12:36 pm

    @Aleta: a few years ago, CBS news hired as one of its grand muckety-mucks a guy who was described as a protege of Roger Ailes, I’ve tried to google up the story but the search terms are too vague– oddly enough one name that comes up is the brother of Obama aide and RW boogeyman Ben Rhodes. And I don’t watch enough of either network to follow it all, but it seems to me there’s a bit of cross pollination between Fox and CBS, John Roberts and Major Garrett are the two names I can pick out. Mark Knoller used to troll Obama about golf and vacations. I don’t know if he does the same to trump, or if he’s still at the WH, but I don’t see him retweeted much any more. Norah O’Donell, when she was still at MSNBC, always seemed to me to have a pro-Bush, pro-war slant.

    Shorter me: I think CBS news has an agenda.

  281. 281.

    Immanentize

    November 22, 2020 at 12:37 pm

    @Baud: It’s only credible if she is a through and through racist.  Otherwise, Thomas would also be included.

  282. 282.

    Aleta

    November 22, 2020 at 12:38 pm

    @germy:  “I look forward to your recommendations” of ebooks or on Netflix.   Oh boy.  Me too.

    (Although it’s good trolling if he just wants to increase his view count and follower comments to negotiate influencer income and a show.)

    My fact-free theory is that KG left his side as soon as the campaign stopped paying her escort fee, expenses and custom medication bills.   His Fear & Loathing instagram videos have become so ruinous to his prospects that they had to seclude him, with or without a covid diagnosis, with or without a rehab counselor, but with guards.  And that video was made days  before the Friday night news drop.  Still high at that time of course.

    But it’s just my imagination.

  283. 283.

    MomSense

    November 22, 2020 at 12:38 pm

    @SFAW:

    I’m pretty sure the reason we all comment on B-J is because we are all such insufferable smart asses IRL few people put up with us if we are being ourselves.

  284. 284.

    debbie

    November 22, 2020 at 12:41 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo:

    I’m watching here in Ohio whether there will be more drop-off locations for the next election. The SoS was so distraught the legislature had kept his hands tied in regard to setting up more locations. I’m sure he will work very hard to correct this situation. //

  285. 285.

    charluckles

    November 22, 2020 at 12:42 pm

    @Aleta:

    I live in a county that has had a relatively decent response to COVID and I am currently trying to get into education as a second career.  One of the top reasons that schools here are closing is staffing.  And no it’s not a union thing.  We nearly had to close our school two weeks ago because a probable close contact in the office would have meant the entire administrative team would need to quarantine for two weeks.

  286. 286.

    Amir Khalid

    November 22, 2020 at 12:42 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    They feel no embarrassment about her. Don’t forget, they’re as nuts as she is.

  287. 287.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 12:42 pm

    @Baud:

    All kidding aside, I love the idea of these overpasses for wildlife.

    I’d also like to see some overpasses built for humans.

    There’s a four-lane road near my former workplace. 40mph speed limit, but of course that’s ignored.   Several times a year I read about some poor person who’s been hit and killed by a car or truck.  On one side of the road is a small trailer park next to a low-income motel complex and on the other side is a convenience store. A favorite destination for people seeking cigarettes, food, lottery tickets, etc.  The nearest grocery store is not walking distance, so the convenience store is their substitute.

    I’ve complained for years that the town should build a pedestrian bridge… but no.

  288. 288.

    Baud

    November 22, 2020 at 12:42 pm

    @MomSense:

    It’s like you can see directly into my soul.

  289. 289.

    WaterGirl

    November 22, 2020 at 12:42 pm

    @germy: You are probably right about that!  The proud boys should probably be standing down but standing by.

    Loved the overpass video.  I could feel my breathing slow as I watched it.

  290. 290.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 12:43 pm

    @J R in WV:

    We have a small nearly feral (in-the-sense-that-she-hunts-to eat-her-prey) kitty, maybe 11 pounds, who would jump on a deer in a heartbeat. So ferocious she is!

    Not to go all Yorkshiremen on you, but: 11 pounds? Our kitty would have LOVED to be 11 pounds. She was about five pounds when she was stalking that deer. She’s not very ferocious, however. Her now-departed brother was the hunter of the family.

    Squirrel is about the biggest thing she brings home, but very ambitious in that way. Fierce little critter! Is finally old enough to come in from the storm and cold but clearly prefers to be out in the deep woods!

    Sadly, our girl has mostly been a homebody since her brother died. Before that, she’d be out for many hours at a time.

    ETA: I have to be careful about letting her in when she cries outside the front door, sometimes she has a mouthful of something still alive…

    Yeah, had that happen more than a couple of times. Not on my Top 10 List of things I want

  291. 291.

    debbie

    November 22, 2020 at 12:43 pm

    @Aleta:

    Wait, what? Those vids from underneath his blankie aren’t working? //

  292. 292.

    Aleta

    November 22, 2020 at 12:43 pm

    @MomSense:  I think so too.  I’d go further, more colorful,  than insufferable and smart asses .

  293. 293.

    WaterGirl

    November 22, 2020 at 12:43 pm

    @BC in Illinois:

    People thought that they had picked a terriblelocation for the deer to cross the road.

    hahaha like the deer can read the sign.  Yo, deer, cross over here.  Too stupid.  Trump voters to be sure.

  294. 294.

    patrick II

    November 22, 2020 at 12:44 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Aren’t they embarrassed to have this disturbed woman speaking for them

    No. A first tenant of fasicsm is that there is no truth. As crazy as this sounds to us, it is just one more diversional lie piled on a huge stack to engulf and subdue truth.

    And the first truth is that we are dealing with Fascists, although for the press we are dealing with “those that cannot be named”.

  295. 295.

    CaseyL

    November 22, 2020 at 12:45 pm

    Good morning, everyone!

    Yesterday was a beautiful sunny day here in Seattle. Today we have reverted to our usual overcast. Oh, well.

    I have noticed, on Twitter, a decrease in the numbers of yahoos braying their support for Dolt45 and his legal team (“elite strike force!”). But they make up for their reduced numbers in sheer vacuity. They do love them some Sidney Powell, and her promises of a “Biblical” reveal.

    The thing about conspiracy theories is, when the first ones don’t pan out, the instigators double down. Every failure to provide the promised Big Deal requires a retrofit of Deep State mechanisms that is Deeper, Wider, and Nuttier.

    Occam’s Razor is for libtards.

  296. 296.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 12:46 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I’m guessing the scattered rocks and boulders on the overpass are there to make the critters feel more comfortable and at home… and also discourage a-hole humans from using it for their own offroad vehicles.

  297. 297.

    WaterGirl

    November 22, 2020 at 12:47 pm

    @debbie: I sense that you are being somewhat disingenuous.  :-)

  298. 298.

    Aleta

    November 22, 2020 at 12:47 pm

    @charluckles:  Breaking teacher unions and stifling public schools are still on the libertarian agenda I believe.

    eta Some school closings near here too.  Briefly so far.  In one case, parents’ responses to a survey taken well over a month ago were recently given as a reason to move beyond hybrid to full time.

    eta 2.  Really respect you for your choice of field.  Many teachers in my family and friends.

  299. 299.

    E.

    November 22, 2020 at 12:47 pm

    Some people here have been talking about buying items from those establishments they like. As an owner of a bakery, a real one, where we make bread every day, make our own croissants from hand, make all our items in house including the pickles, dressings, custards, everything, I want to encourage this. We have customers who dash in, buy two loaves of bread, ask us to reserve them two for next week, and get the hell out. These people are why my bakery is still in business. We need tourists to survive long-term, but many locals have stepped up. We often get comments like, “I’m working from safely from home and I’m still getting a paycheck, so here’s a ten dollar tip. Hang in there.” If it weren’t for these people, we would be closed, I would be in deep, deep financial trouble, and probably no longer in my house. So thank you all. This may mean more than you know to the local places you buy from.

  300. 300.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    November 22, 2020 at 12:48 pm

    @Aleta:

    There’s nothing about about Bo Erickson that can’t be solved with a thorough doxxing of his mommy and daddy’s political donation history, his group memberships,  combing the disciplinary records related to his college fraternity, and failing that, a baseball bat applied to his head about 20 times.

    Good times for wingnut curious journos are over.

  301. 301.

    cain

    November 22, 2020 at 12:48 pm

    @John S.: They helped normalize Trump and we don’t have to play by their old rules anymore now that they found them.

    This. Democrats will no longer be putting up with the same old shit from the press or from the GOP. I think we’ve all but had it as a group.

    To suddenly pivot back to normal after enabling Trump over and over again – and then start asking stupid shit like are we going to work with Republicans because gosh we are divided. So unoriginal.

  302. 302.

    Ken

    November 22, 2020 at 12:48 pm

    @debbie: I’m still trying to figure out how Chavez and Dominion are connected.

    That would be a blue string.  Some might suggest a green string, but that confuses a causal connection for a common-source connection.

  303. 303.

    NotMax

    November 22, 2020 at 12:50 pm

    @patrick II

    A first tenant

    tenet

    /pedantry for a lazy Sunday

  304. 304.

    WaterGirl

    November 22, 2020 at 12:50 pm

    @germy: My two thoughts exactly!  I also wondered how they chose what to put up there.   They must have done it right because it’s being used.  I can only imagine the joy – of the people who envisioned this and then made it happen – as they see this being used.

    I wondered if the animals will start to run and race across is as they get used to it, or if they will continue to mostly meander.

    And the more animals who use it, the more it will smell and feel right, I would imagine.

  305. 305.

    BC in Illinois

    November 22, 2020 at 12:51 pm

    @jonas  sent me to the Onion, which has given me this news article, appropriate for where I am in Missouri:

    Governors Call On Gretchen Whitmer To Shut Down Their States

    So Residents Won’t Get Mad At Them

    The Onion.

  306. 306.

    zhena gogolia

    November 22, 2020 at 12:52 pm

    @E.:

    I wish you were in my town. We have no bakery.

    I’m paying a trainer and a gym while I’m not using them. I want them to be there when I get back.

  307. 307.

    WaterGirl

    November 22, 2020 at 12:54 pm

    @E.: I think a lot of us are trying.

    I know every time i cancel a hair appointment because I don’t feel it’s safe, I buy another gift certificate from them to pay for a future appointment.

    Very glad that you are staying in business!

  308. 308.

    Frank Wilhoit

    November 22, 2020 at 12:54 pm

    @Mike S (Now with a Democratic Congressperson!): Can they spell “Donald”?  It’s six letters….

  309. 309.

    patrick II

    November 22, 2020 at 12:55 pm

    @NotMax:

    I’m talking about the guy who is renting room in their heads, what are you talking about?

    But thanks.  Posting here has improved my writing.  It was even worse before.

  310. 310.

    Aleta

    November 22, 2020 at 12:55 pm

    @E.: Do you ship?  That’s probably too much to handle, but if if that option ever happens, please let me know.

  311. 311.

    Ken

    November 22, 2020 at 12:55 pm

    @BC in Illinois: Shannon Watts […] wondered whether “cleaning his guns” was now being used as a euphemism for some other personal activity.

    Whereas my thought was “isolating and cleaning his guns… I wonder if the next thing we’ll hear is that one of them ‘accidentally’ went off.”  But I had a distant cousin who died by that sort of accident.

  312. 312.

    NotMax

    November 22, 2020 at 12:56 pm

    @zhena gogolia

    Local independent bakeries deserve automatic entry on the National Registry of Uncloseable Places.

    ;)

  313. 313.

    pamelabrown53

    November 22, 2020 at 12:57 pm

    @NotMax:

    That glass works gallery looks like wonderland to me; I want to live amidst all those beautiful glass creations. The colors, patterns!

  314. 314.

    Ken

    November 22, 2020 at 12:58 pm

    @BC in Illinois: I realize the Onion is being sarcastic, but I think a few of the spineless Republican governors are praying that Biden gives them an out for a shutdown.  “Naturally I support everyone’s right to die horribly of a preventable disease, but that Democrat didn’t give me any choice…”

  315. 315.

    zhena gogolia

    November 22, 2020 at 12:58 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I’ve been venturing to my hair person, because it’s just her and she’s OCD about cleanliness and masking. But I pay her when I’m not going, which may start again now, with the semester ending and the Covid raging.

  316. 316.

    zhena gogolia

    November 22, 2020 at 12:59 pm

    @Aleta:

    Oh, great idea!

  317. 317.

    zhena gogolia

    November 22, 2020 at 1:00 pm

    @NotMax:

    Yes. I still fantasize about the bakery that was a few doors down from me in New Haven, near Wooster Square, where I could go and get the loaves right out of the oven.

  318. 318.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 1:01 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I notice some of the little critters dart from boulder to boulder.  Always on the lookout for predators.  And the deer like to stop and sniff the ground as they travel.  I’m guessing they’ll all still take their time and mosey along unhurried.

    I like the idea of the critter bridge cam.  Definitely good for my blood pressure.

  319. 319.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 1:02 pm

    @NotMax:

    Local independent bakeries deserve automatic entry on the National Registry of Uncloseable Places.

    I miss Benkert’s. [Even though I no longer live near it.]

  320. 320.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 22, 2020 at 1:02 pm

    @BC in Illinois: stolen from Cole’s twitter feed, click at your own risk

    Room Rater @ratemyskyperoom Nov 21
    Kills magnificent creatures. Proved cocaine doesn’t prevent Covid. Daddy still doesn’t love him. 0/10

  321. 321.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 1:02 pm

    @Ken:

    I see it as a euphemism for “preparing for a gunfight.”

     

    (Not that he’ll fight, of course.  He sees himself as more of an … influencer.)

  322. 322.

    natem

    November 22, 2020 at 1:02 pm

    Hahaha the crybaby WH Press Corps is already “heroically” calling out the fact that Biden isn’t accommodating to their every whim and desire. Villago delenda est indeed.

  323. 323.

    debbie

    November 22, 2020 at 1:03 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    /Hangs head in abject shame./

  324. 324.

    cain

    November 22, 2020 at 1:05 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Dammit, now I got the theme song from Golden Girls in my head.

  325. 325.

    debbie

    November 22, 2020 at 1:06 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    I’ve spread out the time between appointments; also, I wash my hair and have it cut dry. I’m in and out in 10–15 minutes.

  326. 326.

    NotMax

    November 22, 2020 at 1:06 pm

    @SFAW

    @

    Benkert’s

    Wow, there’s a name haven’t heard in what seems like eons.

  327. 327.

    patrick II

    November 22, 2020 at 1:09 pm

    I am not quite sure what to say about this, from the WP:

    Among Democrats, there is a palpable desire to pursue the harsh accountability for Trump that many feel he has avoided by virtue of his office. But his successor, President-elect Joe Biden, reportedly has little appetite for doing so, having signaled to advisers that unleashing the federal government to settle scores would undermine his goal of unifying the country.

  328. 328.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 1:10 pm

    @NotMax:

    Wow, there’s a name haven’t heard in what seems like eons.

    Well, the comment was aimed at you. I remember going to the one on S. Middle Neck Road, as a child, with my grandmother

    ETA: Would still go there after they moved up the block, and my brother did when they moved to the north side [spit] of town. And then they closed, dammit.

    And here’s something to dredge up memories:

    http://www.greatneckplaza.net/Photo%20Galleries/Historical%20Album/pages/Benkert's%20Fine%20Baking,%20Great%20Neck,%20NY_jpg.htm

  329. 329.

    MomSense

    November 22, 2020 at 1:10 pm

    @Ken: 
    We can add it to the list with “hiking the Appalachian Trail” and “Bible study”

  330. 330.

    cain

    November 22, 2020 at 1:13 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    @Matt McIrvin: Black folks will remember.

    There will be plenty of us that are going to remember. POCs will definitely remember.Especially now that a lot of us (POCs) are now putting our stake into politics.

    Starting in January I plan on joining the various committees in the Democratic party of Oregon. I don’t plan on running for anything but interested in policy but also to start engagement with black, latino, and asian caucuses.

  331. 331.

    NotMax

    November 22, 2020 at 1:13 pm

    @patrick II

    It is not a job function of the office of president to advance or retard judicial investigations.

  332. 332.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 22, 2020 at 1:14 pm

    @patrick II: Where is this from?

  333. 333.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 22, 2020 at 1:16 pm

    @patrick II: what is “harsh accountability”? I’ve been saying for a while people need to let go of the idea that trump is going to jail, at least on federal charges. I cannot imagine somebody, whether Bill Barr or Judge Jeanine or someone in between (Emmet Flood? Kellyanne?) hasn’t already drafted the federal pardons for The Beast and its whelps. Neal Katyal has said that “legal scholars” agree that a self-pardon is not constitutional; does anyone think this Supreme Court is gonna rule with “legal scholars”?

    And in truth, as 2009, I don’t know how much public support there will be for accountability– which I envisioned as a bicameral and yes, bipartisan, because Joe Manchin, special committee to get second-rank officials under oath and in front of cameras, telling us who said and did what and when, and then bring in Barr and Nielsen and Kelly and Azar to explain themselves. Cause I still don’t know that the worst things these people did were actually illegal. To me, one of the key lessons of the trump era is: You can’t make people care, even if they vaguely disapprove.

  334. 334.

    NotMax

    November 22, 2020 at 1:17 pm

    @SFAW

    So old can remember when the milkman also delivered baked goods from Ebinger’s.

  335. 335.

    Ruckus

    November 22, 2020 at 1:17 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    You have made a common mistake, confusing their use of the word protective to apply in a physical manner, while they are talking of it protecting their jobs, their most obvious concern. If they don’t have constant access their bosses may see that mostly they make news by asking asinine, meaningless questions of a normal human, future president, who DOES NOT have the IQ and demeanor of a moldy potato, like the one he’s replacing.

  336. 336.

    cain

    November 22, 2020 at 1:18 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    I wonder how his voters vote him – I guess the COVID pain is not great enough – and of course he’s survived another challenge and by high margins.

    I can only assume his people just luuuuv the job he’s doing so far.

  337. 337.

    cain

    November 22, 2020 at 1:21 pm

    @SFAW: I’ve watched a couple of Powell’s TV appearances. She’s evil, a liar, and fucking nuts. I have no idea whether she’s a competent attorney, but I’d bet she isn’t.

    Think she’ll end up as wife number 4 to Rudy? I think that’s his type.

  338. 338.

    patrick II

    November 22, 2020 at 1:21 pm

    @NotMax:

    Nice theory, like “looking forward” didn’t exist in the Obama administration.

  339. 339.

    patrick II

    November 22, 2020 at 1:22 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Front page of the Washington Post.  Sorry, should have linked.

  340. 340.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 1:24 pm

    @NotMax:

    So old can remember when the milkman also delivered baked goods from Ebinger’s.

    And you have the Daguerreotypes to prove it, I bet.

  341. 341.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 1:27 pm

    @cain:

    Think she’ll end up as wife number 4 to Rudy? I think that’s his type.

    I don’t think Donna Hanover was especially fucked-up. I mean, you might be able to question her judgment re: marrying him in the first place. The same may go for Judy Nathan, but I don’t know.

  342. 342.

    Sm*t Cl*de

    November 22, 2020 at 1:27 pm

    @germy:

    Donald Trump Jr says he will pass time in Covid isolation by cleaning his guns

    Remember to lick the inside of the barrel.

  343. 343.

    Emma from FL

    November 22, 2020 at 1:29 pm

    @patrick II: Biden will not personally instigate any investigations. He will, as he has said already, give the DOJ the independence to do what it needs to.

  344. 344.

    Kent

    November 22, 2020 at 1:29 pm

    @natem:Hahaha the crybaby WH Press Corps is already “heroically” calling out the fact that Biden isn’t accommodating to their every whim and desire. Villago delenda est indeed.

    I am so very much looking forward to the day that we can once again complain about horrible the WH Press Corps is, rather than how horrible the administration is.

  345. 345.

    MisterForkbeard

    November 22, 2020 at 1:29 pm

    @germy: Well, that’s an obvious euphemism if I ever heard one.

  346. 346.

    Charluckles

    November 22, 2020 at 1:31 pm

    @Aleta:

    I used to work in what is considered a highly prestigious field helping to train some of America’s “best and brightest.”  The teachers I encounter on a daily basis are on whole other level from said highly prestigious field.  I have never been around such an intelligent, compassionate and well rounded group of people.  I wish I had made this move earlier.

  347. 347.

    JPL

    November 22, 2020 at 1:36 pm

    @WaterGirl:  The SOS took a lot of abuse for his running a fair election, unlike Kemp.    Remember the optimal word is consider, and it would depend on the democratic candidate.

  348. 348.

    Kent

    November 22, 2020 at 1:36 pm

    @Emma from FL:@patrick II: Biden will not personally instigate any investigations. He will, as he has said already, give the DOJ the independence to do what it needs to.

    Exactly.  It’s not his job to use the levers of power to pursue political vendettas.  Or to intervene to stop politically charged investigations.  It’s his job to let the pursuit of justice proceed on its own track unobstructed by political sensibilities.

    The worm will turn again.  Biden should be building back the walls that prevent political interference in the pursuit of justice.  And there’s enough there to keep 50 prosecutors busy for the next 10 years without Biden having to intervene.

    What I really want to see is an all-out blitz to go after Trump and every damn one of his supporters on taxes.  Supposedly the Mercers are as big of tax cheats as he is.  All the fuckers are.  That is where they should be aiming their investigations.

  349. 349.

    patrick II

    November 22, 2020 at 1:36 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I believe “harsh accountability” means trials and appropriate jail sentences.

    As for illegal, I am not a lawyer, so take it for what it is worth, but I see prosecutable actions everywhere I look.  Roger Stone alone.  And Barr for conspiracy to obstruct justice in his abdication of Stone’s prosecution so Stone would keep quiet his being a go-between between Wiki and Trump.  Or Manafort and his work to remove aide to Ukraine at the RNC. Or Manafort generally.  Or all of the things we don’t know about Trump and Russian financing through Deutsche Bank. Etc.

    Of course, all of my knowledge of law comes from reading Balloon Juice comments, so that might be a problem.

  350. 350.

    patrick II

    November 22, 2020 at 1:45 pm

    @Kent:

    He’s going to appoint an AG, and while not specific he will give him general guidance, or at least listen to what potential AG’s opinions are before an appointment.  Obama knew Eric Holder’s attitude about not just prosecution of anyone in the Bush administration but about his hands off attitudes about big banks (since it might hurt the economy).

    Once the AG is in, it’s mostly hands-off, but which AG is picked and the guidelines he operates under will be determined before any appointment.

    And I say “mostly” hands-off, because any prosecution of a former president will only go forward with the O.K. of the sitting president.  Two reasons, 1. The decision to pardon (like Ford’s pardon of Nixon) is a decision about prosecuting the president, in that case a negative one, but the president decided. 2. More than any other legal decision it would also be a political one of great importance, and will be discussed with the sitting president.  This may differ from ideals and precedent, but we have never had a crime boss former president before.

  351. 351.

    cain

    November 22, 2020 at 1:51 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    The guy who did our tiling has an absolute shit show of a personal life – living out of motels with his two little girls, getting shot at, his truck vandalized and a crazy ex wife. He’s been struggling with the tiling job – basically a week job turned into nearly 2 months.

    I gave him two gift cards for a good meal so that he can take the girls and just take a break from all that. I think he nearly lost it. Random acts of kindness is good for everyone. I never once took him to task for not completing the job.

    That said this remodel has been a shit show all around.

  352. 352.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 22, 2020 at 1:52 pm

    along the lines of accountability, from Cole’s twitter feed, and I suspect here RT is an endorsement

    Kelsey D. Atherton
    Pardoning Nixon got us Iran Contra. Pardoning the people involved in Iran Contra got us the Torture Program. Refusing to even pursue charges against the Torture Program got us Trump, who regularly pardons war criminals. We’ve tried elite impunity and it has unequivocally failed.

    IANAL, but little of this scans to me, especially the idea that not prosecuting for torture led us to trump. trump campaigned as an anti-war isolationist, but very specifically advocated torture and war crimes, and that was a smaller part of the larger campaign of cultural and racial resentments that won him the EC.
    1) IANAL but I think one of the reasons that “even pursuing charges” is that acquittals/ reversed verdicts can serve as precedents. Isn’t that how Bob MacDonald’s case got the case against Bob Menendez tossed (again, not lawyer, going by what I recall from media accounts). I have heard the same about Preet Bharara’s (not Obama’s or Eric Holder’s) decisions about which “banksters” (I loved that neologism when I first saw it, now it’s like “drones”, it just makes me stop reading) to prosecute.
    2) again, not a lawyer, but my understanding is that a memo from a legal office in the Pentagon or DoJ (John Yoo) would’ve been legally exculpatory for the people down the chain. The cases would almost certainly never have gotten to a jury. And if anybody thinks a jury of twelve Americans was going to convict one of “our boys” (used extremely avisedly) for being too tough on terrorists… I am skeptical.
    The time for “looking back” was 2007, not 2009, when the economy was collapsing and people just didn’t want to think about Iraq, or Afghanistan anymore. And the way to do so IMHO was some kind of special committee, not criminal prosecutions.

    also, the only Iran-Contra pardon I remember is Poppy pardoning Cap Weinberger, and I don’t remember any public outrage. I was pissed

    and in that long ramble I actually forgot something: It’s not “elite impunity”, it’s the elite granted impunity by the indifference of a disengaged public.

  353. 353.

    debbie

    November 22, 2020 at 1:53 pm

    @Emma from FL:

    Do we think if Merrick Garland is the AG, he will pursue investigations?

  354. 354.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 22, 2020 at 1:59 pm

    @patrick II:

    Of course, all of my knowledge of law comes from reading Balloon Juice comments, so that might be a problem.

    well, I studied at the David E Kelly School of Law, under professors Grace van Owen and Alan Rachins. Then did post grad work thirty years later (Oh my god) here in the comment threads and on twitter

  355. 355.

    patrick II

    November 22, 2020 at 2:02 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    1) IANAL but I think one of the reasons that “even pursuing charges” is that acquittals/ reversed verdicts can serve as precedents.

    That is exactly true. Prosecuting and setting precedents with this Supreme Court would screw us up for another hundred years. Packing the court and then prosecuting would deligitimize a verdict. I hate it, but I think Trump will be O.K. federally.
    My own take on the Presidential self-pardon is that he shouldn’t be able to. Any right or liberty, even explicitly named in the Constitution has boundaries set mostly by the conflict with other rights. You can’t yell fire! in a crowded theater because it conflicts with other’s right to life, and you can’t pardon yourself for murdering someone of Fifth Ave (as a Trump lawyer has specifically argued in federal court he can because of the executive presidency) for the same reason. Also, I would say that if you handed someone a gun and told him to go murder a guy on Fifth Ave., he shouldn’t be able to get a pardon either. So in my view, fellow conspirators shouldn’t be pardoned. But with this Supreme court, holding Trump accountable will be impossible.
    But if we don’t assert those things, we are left with a super-powered executive presidency where someone can do whatever he likes, regardless of courts, congress or laws, and pardon himself as he walks out the door. Which is about to happen with all of its horrible implications for the future.

  356. 356.

    J R in WV

    November 22, 2020 at 2:03 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    The bakery I go to will sometimes have whole shelves of one flavor or another with a post-it sign “Too Hot To Slice”… yummm.

    And now they’re also making bagels!!!

  357. 357.

    cain

    November 22, 2020 at 2:03 pm

    @SFAW: I don’t think Donna Hanover was especially fucked-up. I mean, you might be able to question her judgment re: marrying him in the first place. The same may go for Judy Nathan, but I don’t know.

    I’m not sure why they are attracted to the crazy other than they may have their own craziness that isn’t showing – but you can bet that Rudy would have at hit on her at least once.

  358. 358.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 2:04 pm

    @debbie:

    Former Justice Department officials pointed out that after Watergate, President Gerald Ford enlisted former University of Chicago President Edward Levi to be attorney general and restore public confidence in the institution. The Justice Department bestows an award for honor and integrity in his name.

    Supporters said Garland could play a similar role if he could be enticed to leave his lifetime-tenured appointment on the federal bench. Garland joins a number of other department veterans on the Biden short list for attorney general, including former U.S. Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates in the Obama administration, former civil rights chief Deval Patrick and former U.S. Attorney Doug Jones, among others.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/11/20/937043662/merrick-garland-among-biden-candidates-for-attorney-general-sources-say

  359. 359.

    debbie

    November 22, 2020 at 2:05 pm

    @cain:

    Donna Hanover wasn’t fucked up. Rudy wasn’t as crazy as he is now. I think the first inkling of crazy was when he told the world (and his wife) that he was moving out and divorcing her during a press conference.

  360. 360.

    Suzanne

    November 22, 2020 at 2:07 pm

    @rikyrah: That’s adorable. I am not gay, but I love to brunch, and I would love to brunch with Fauci.

  361. 361.

    SFBayAreaGal

    November 22, 2020 at 2:26 pm

    @germy: Thank you for sharing this. I love seeing all the wildlife.

  362. 362.

    zhena gogolia

    November 22, 2020 at 2:27 pm

    @NotMax: This seems to be very hard for people to grasp. The same people who shout, “Impeach Barr!”

  363. 363.

    germy

    November 22, 2020 at 2:33 pm

    @SFBayAreaGal:

    You’re welcome.  I hope the success of the bridge leads to more being built.

  364. 364.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 2:35 pm

    @cain:

    Donna Hanover was reasonably accomplished, separate from Rudy. She was an actress, had a masters from the Columbia school of journalism, things like that. When she was the “First Lady” of NYC, I don’t recall her being weird or snotty or any of those things.

    Sorry, I just don’t feel the need to put her in the same category as Sidney Powell, who’s clearly fucked in the head. Trump won by a “landslide”? Yeah, I realize PR flacks gotta say shit like that, but she’s allegedly an attorney, etc

    ETA: And, as debbie noted, Rudy wasn’t always (obviously) nuts. He was ALWAYS a racist asshole, however.

  365. 365.

    Ruckus

    November 22, 2020 at 2:46 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    That black man was not his boss any more than he was your or my boss. He was the president, who we pay to run the country, or in the case of the current job holder, to play golf and fuck things up. And the current job holder apparently isn’t getting paid, which is OK, he’s still costing us a hell of a lot of dollars and human lives because he’s a racist idiot.

    But back to the point. We give a hell of a lot of status to an employee that yes, has a tough job, and will be disliked by somewhere around half the country for one or dozens of reasons. But at the end of the day, the president is a job, a very much required job, but it is an elected and paid for job and not royalty. Yes it is a tough job, with special standing, and a hell of a lot of responsibility, but it is none the less, a job. It has a beginning and an end, and comes with – for someone who actually does the job well – a large amount of respect. And like any job with a lot of bosses the performance will never please everyone. But it is still a job, there is no throne, no scepter, no sovereignty outside of the power of the office. It is the top job in the government, it is the job of being in charge. But it is a job, the person can be fired, and has to earn the job with enough of us to be hired. It’s not like driving a delivery truck, or even being a doctor, most of it is done in public, often with many of the employers complaining bitterly and or being rather pissed at the job performance or lack there of. But it is still a job.

  366. 366.

    Frankensteinbeck

    November 22, 2020 at 2:55 pm

    @cain:

    I wonder how his voters vote him

    He says ‘blacks and Mexicans’ and they stampede to the polls.  I live in Kentucky, much as I wish I did not.  That has been his message in his last two elections.  Nobody here likes McConnell, but it’s irrelevant.  They hate brown people and McConnell just has to remind them their two choices are him or an n-lover.

    EDIT – @Ruckus:

    That black man was not his boss any more than he was your or my boss.

    Not how most people see it and very definitely not how racists see it.  Not only was Obama appointed McConnell’s boss, Obama beat him in almost every confrontation between them.  The level of insult involved is hard to imagine for anyone who isn’t a stone cold racist.  McConnell glowed when he said his proudest moment was telling Obama that Obama would not fill Scalia’s seat.  It was the one time he could give a big middle finger to Obama and Obama could do nothing about it, the one time he could draw blood.

  367. 367.

    Ruckus

    November 22, 2020 at 3:13 pm

    @MomSense:

    He also enjoys getting paid for his enjoyment. He is a racist shit and a conservative shit who seems to like getting paid to be both.

  368. 368.

    Uncle Cosmo

    November 22, 2020 at 3:19 pm

    @germy: I’ve complained for years that the town should build a pedestrian bridge… but no.

    Because it will by & large sit there unused while the locals risk life & limb to save a dozen steps up & back down. Unless the town runs an unbroken 8′ fence along the median strip or center line. And even then some whackjobs will prefer climbing the fence.

    Here in Baltimore the main Morgan State University campus is on the east side of a six-lane divided highway with a mostly-AA rowhouse residential area to the west. For most of that stretch there is a wrought-iron fence right down the middle of the median strip. I think it’s to discourage students from parking over there in order to avoid the campus parking fees – although there are enough breaks in the median that one could walk across at street level. (For the new extension southwest across the parkway, the median has far fewer unfenced gaps and a pedestrian overpass is in place.)

  369. 369.

    Ruckus

    November 22, 2020 at 3:22 pm

    @SFAW:

    I thought we said that about you….

  370. 370.

    Ruckus

    November 22, 2020 at 3:36 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Not disagreeing with you on that, just that it is still all in all a job. I didn’t say that everyone treats it that way, most don’t, most treat it as royalty, not as in the king and prince charming but still as royalty. And it isn’t royalty. Nor should it be in a democracy. We have the same issues as other humans, we select leaders for many reasons, sometimes for all the wrong reasons, but they are leaders, they have skills that fill that job (OK except for the current job holder, he has no skills whatsoever, not physical, absolutely not mental, other than being a complete and total racist fuck) to one degree or another. In this country, we subscribe, wrongly, to the theory that some among us are better, for reasons that often have less than zero basis, and we make choices based upon that for our leaders. republicans seem to like racist fucks who seem like they know business but really know how to manage to make money by doing things of negative value. Democrats mostly seem to like people that have a chance of actually doing the job at hand, sometimes even brilliantly. I often wonder why the stark difference in the way the two groups see things.

  371. 371.

    cain

    November 22, 2020 at 4:13 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Well let’s hope that God’s will and arc of justice align and he ultimately loses.

  372. 372.

    cain

    November 22, 2020 at 4:14 pm

    @SFAW: Sorry, I just don’t feel the need to put her in the same category as Sidney Powell, who’s clearly fucked in the head. Trump won by a “landslide”? Yeah, I realize PR flacks gotta say shit like that, but she’s allegedly an attorney, etc

    Perhaps Hanover should cut-n-run – even her kids despise their father.

  373. 373.

    Dopey-o

    November 22, 2020 at 4:50 pm

    @germy: Donald Trump Jr says he will pass time in Covid isolation by cleaning his guns https://t.co/ZKrWANnC8n— Guardian news (@guardiannews) November 21, 2020

    Many accidents occur when careless people clean their weapons. Let’s hope DJT jr doesn’t give himself a Darwin Award……

    But he probably meant it as a dog-whistle to his Trump’s Army mouth-breathers to be prepared to boogie.

  374. 374.

    Dan B

    November 22, 2020 at 4:55 pm

    @rikyrah: Great response from Fauci!  He wasn’t interested in working with gay people at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic but came around and became friends with Larry Kramer, a founder of Act Up.

    P.S. Your posts today are on fire. Thanks!

  375. 375.

    Dan B

    November 22, 2020 at 5:25 pm

    @rikyrah: Doctors are asking for Living Wills or End of Life Directives.  How will the right wingers whinge respond?

  376. 376.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 5:51 pm

    @cain:

    Perhaps Hanover should cut-n-run

    Not sure what you mean. They’ve been divorced since 2002; what cutting-and-running should she do?

  377. 377.

    SFAW

    November 22, 2020 at 5:54 pm

    @Ruckus:

    I thought we said that about you….

    That would be a step up for me, I think. Usually I’m consigned to the “not THAT asshole again” category.

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