Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Consistently wrong since 2002

A norm that restrains only one side really is not a norm – it is a trap.

Speaker Mike Johnson is a vile traitor to the House and the Constitution.

Dumb motherfuckers cannot understand a consequence that most 4 year olds have fully sorted out.

Giving in to doom is how we fail to fight for ourselves & one another.

“Just close your eyes and kiss the girl and go where the tilt-a-whirl takes you.” ~OzarkHillbilly

We still have time to mess this up!

Of course you can have champagne before noon. That’s why orange juice was invented.

You cannot shame the shameless.

The fundamental promise of conservatism all over the world is a return to an idealized past that never existed.

When do we start airlifting the women and children out of Texas?

Republicans choose power over democracy, every day.

Live so that if you miss a day of work people aren’t hoping you’re dead.

The only way through is to slog through the muck one step at at time.

Proof that we need a blogger ethics panel.

When you’re a Republican, they let you do it.

… pundit janitors mopping up after the gop

Shallow, uninformed, and lacking identity

the 10% who apparently lack object permanence

“Can i answer the question? No you can not!”

A snarling mass of vitriolic jackals

I really should read my own blog.

Celebrate the fucking wins.

I like political parties that aren’t owned by foreign adversaries.

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  3. 3.

    WaterGirl

    Speaking of pets, if anyone has pets in the upcoming calendar, please check the links in the sidebar to make sure we have your pet’s information correct.

  9. 9.

    Felanius Kootea

    Decided to spend yesterday mostly offline so I just found out this morning that the Milwaukee recount paid for by Trump resulted in an increased margin of victory for Biden.  I can’t stop laughing.  It’s just … perfect!

  18. 18.

    NotMax

    You got me, Amazon. 4 of the 8 items on my probably will order this month list were on Cyber Monday sale price when checked them out today, plus Lightning Deal reduction on top of that, plus a further $$ off coupon.

    Was able to order all 8 and, after tax added, go only a smidgen (like five bucks) above what had planned to spend.

  21. 21.

    JPL

    @ 19 I posted a link to Kamala shopping.    One thing I hate most about trump’s temper tantrums is that the fact Kamala is the first female and black person to be Vice President elect hasn’t been celebrated.

  22. 22.

    mali muso

    @JPL: Small world…one of my friends (we were peace corps volunteers together back in the day) was at that market selling her shea butter products when Kamala came by.  She just posted almost the same photo but from a different angle where she was.  Very exciting!

  30. 30.

    2liberal

    Democratic agenda:

    • win both seats in GA
    • DC statehood
    • puerto rico statehood
    • tell CA and NY if they’re sick of ND, SD, and WY making decisons for them, they need to sacrifice some territory by turning Long Island and San Diego into states
    • how long does the statehood process take? It’s just a vote, right ?
    • COVID response to be funded by printing money, NOT BORROWING,  for several trillion to fund directly a basic national income for the duration ,  prevent evictions and bankruptcies to put the economy on hold until we’ve got a vaccine working and a more effective treatment
    • national legislation for vote by mail option for all states, prevent voter registration purges , etc
    • add 6 supremes to balance the court (amy covid barrett reference)
    • student loan forgiveness without tax consequences
    • get rid of qualified immunity for law enforcement
    • take the cap off social security tax and apply to capital gains
  33. 33.

    germy

    Collins opens with a swipe at @ReverendWarnock: “There is no such thing as a pro-choice pastor. What you have is a lie from the bed of Hell. It is time to send it back to Ebenezer Baptist Church.” #gapol #gasen pic.twitter.com/FsoPiMelQr— Greg Bluestein (@bluestein) November 28, 2020

    If Doug Collins calling the Ebenezer Baptist Church — the church where Martin Luther King Jr. was pastor — the “bed of Hell” isn’t the Republican Party telling on itself, I don’t know what is https://t.co/f5yCc3zpTN— Jeff Yang (@originalspin) November 28, 2020

  35. 35.

    Baud

    @germy:

    Trying to keep the Trump spirit alive.

    I’m glad that so many people have preached to Democrats about civility and the need to reach out to Republicans.  They really have the pulse of what’s going on in America.

  39. 39.

    Mike in NC

    Saw a pair of sneakers I liked online. Ordered them 11/24 and they shipped from a warehouse in Singapore the same day. Free shipping. They arrived on 11/27. Amazing.

  40. 40.

    germy

    I’m working with colleagues to block funding for reclassification of federal workers under Trump’s order. https://t.co/AstcAI5te1

    Trump hopes to leave his successor with a sabotaged government amid a pandemic and economic crisis. It’s contemptible and we have to stop him. 11/11

    — Rep. Don Beyer (@RepDonBeyer) November 27, 2020

  41. 41.

    JPL

    @germy: I also saw on twitter that he said it in reference to Warnock, but have not verified that.    Someone who repaired my septic talked about  the others voting so nothing would surprise me.   satanists all of them

    Southern Baptists didn’t care much about abortion until it became a political issue so Collins is wrong about that also.

  42. 42.

    germy

    @JPL:

    From what I understand they didn’t become politically involved until school desegregation became the law of the land.

  43. 43.

    WaterGirl

    @germy: I actually hope he gets his money back.  I’d say he was grossly misled.  My desire for those awful True the Vote people to have to pony up 2.5 million to return his money supersedes my desire to say “fuck you, you donated 2.5 million in support of Trump, could you have expected anything else?”

  45. 45.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    @Mike in NC: that is amazing.  I buy stuff from Singapore (contact lens) and china (small replacement tools) and it takes forever.

  46. 46.

    JPL

    So while Kamala is shopping for small business day, the grifter and sons took Marine One Helicopter to one of his golf courses.

  48. 48.

    JPL

    @WaterGirl: If he got his money back, he’d donate again cuz this time it will be put to good use.   If he doesn’t it is a fool me once scenario.    IMO

  49. 49.

    Yarrow

    @JPL: Our media operates by needing to make money. They air or print what makes them money. Thus we get lots of Trump. Like Les Moonves of CBS said, Trump is good for their business. It’s been like this for a long time so no one should be surprised this is how it is now.

    We need news organizations that operate with some a motive other than pure profit. Democracy depends on it.

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    Geminid

    @JPL: Baptists also used to have a strong tradition of separation of Church and State, probably because they used to get pushed around by established churches. Baptist preachers sold that birthright for so much political pottage.

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    debbie

    Animals with human hands reminds of me of the photography of William Wegman who used to pose his Weimaraners (I believe Fay was the original poser) in the most humanlike settings. They were the most compliant animals (Google images here; my favorite is the photo where one dog is another’s shadow) imaginable. I can’t say why, but I loved his photography a little less when he started putting in human hands.

  53. 53.

    Beautifulplumage

    Dear Watergirl, HELP! This site is really borked for me today. Very slow to load and ads taking up much of my screen. I’m on an android phone & have sent reports via the site feedback page. Thanks and I hope it will work like it used to on my device.

  55. 55.

    Anotherlurker

    @2liberal: As a native Long Islander, I will say that you don’t want LI as a state.  It would be reliably red, racist republican.  trump carried Nassau and Suffolk Counties.

  56. 56.

    Geminid

    @germy: It occurred to me that Doug Collins will be out of a job come January. He has a law degree from a third or fourth rate law school; I’m not sure how employable he’ll be out of politics. Collins will probably go after Raffensperger’s Georgia Secretary of State job in 2022. Maybe even Brian Kemp’s job. Kemp crossed trump when he picked Loeffler over Collins, and trump will hold a grudge. I hope to be watching the 2022 Georgia republican primaries, and will be rooting for injuries.

  60. 60.

    JPL

    @Yarrow: That won’t happen though.   Obama on the campaign trail promised that he would take Michele to a play in NYC.    When he did the MSM shit all over it.   Now trump takes the helicopter to play golf with his sons and it won’t get mentioned.    Biden knows what awaits him.

  64. 64.

    Bunter

    @debbie: Oh, I love them with or without human hands. The fairy tales were always great. Man Ray was his original Weimaraner, Fay Ray was next after MR passed. And, yes, I did have all the books at one point in time.

  65. 65.

    Catherine D.

    @Anotherlurker:

    @2liberal: As a native Long Islander, I will say that you don’t want LI as a state.  It would be reliably red, racist republican.  trump carried Nassau and Suffolk Counties.

    Seconded from upstater born in da Bronx. And please correct me, but I thought San Diego was seriously red?

  70. 70.

    Ruckus

    @Yarrow:

    I agree with you.

    But.

    Newspapers have always existed to make money, with a side benefit of giving the owner a place to spout their version of what life is and what it should be.

    Now our world is changing, because there are so many humans, and that changes the requirements of the us, from mere survival to a much better process, that of reasonable survival for all. We may never actually achieve that but we could be a hell of a lot closer. But more people have to get on board, to understand that others surviving does not mean that we can’t, nor that we can use others lives in attempting to survive.

  71. 71.

    Geminid

    @raven: I guess Collins will get a job, then. He can be a circuit rider and guest preach at those mega-churches. That would be a good way to lay the ground work for a primary campaign.                                       You live in Georgia. I’m wondering if you care to give your opinion on Warnock’s and Ossoff’s chances this January.

  74. 74.

    raven

    Vandy had a female kicker, Sarah Fuller,  today and it’s a first for the power 5 schools. They got trounced but she had the greatest smile on her face on the sidelines!

  76. 76.

    raven

    @Geminid: Well I’m in solid blue Athens and it’s heavily for them. On the other hand there was an article on our local music rag saying how bad turnout was here because the bernie’s didn’t vote.

  77. 77.

    raven

    Georgia did show Trump who’s boss by giving its 16 crucial electoral votes to a Democrat for president for the first time since Bill Clinton in 1992. But in Athens, Election Day voters like Gartrell were the exception rather than the rule. After more than 40,000 people cast their ballots early—by mail or in person—less than 10,000 showed up at the polls on Nov 3. The 68% turnout hurt down-ballot candidates and nearly cost Biden his incredibly close win in Georgia.

    Perhaps it was a lack of enthusiasm for Biden in a college town where half of Democrats backed Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primary. (By the time Georgia’s 2020 primary, postponed by coronavirus, came around, Biden had the nomination wrapped up.) Athens-Clarke County Commissioner Tim Denson, a veteran of a number of local campaigns besides his own, said the pandemic dampened get-out-the-vote efforts. While campaigns were texting voters to the point of annoyance, there was little of the door-to-door campaigning that’s usually the backbone of local Democratic and progressive nonpartisan campaigns. “That was drastically suppressed by the pandemic,” said Denson, who added that he ordinarily would have knocked on “thousands” of doors this fall but only hit about 120.

  80. 80.

    2liberal

    @Anotherlurker: As a native Long Islander, I will say that you don’t want LI as a state.  It would be reliably red, racist republican.  trump carried Nassau and Suffolk Counties.

    I wasn’t able to find the vote by county on short notice, but if you add in Kings and Queens counties I think it came in very strong for Biden. I did actually look at it earlier but not finding the results right now

  82. 82.

    JPL

    @raven: Same.   I was shocked that Lucy carried my district by ten, but  recognized that it was changing, because of local politics.   Ossoff though is struggling here and losing in Alpharetta so has to work had to get his voters out.

    Biden won because of the burbs.   Warnock has to improve the number of blacks that voted to pull off a win.

  84. 84.

    Beautifulplumage

    @pamelabrown53: I just finished that post so will go back and check. These ads are sooooo annoying, though.  Now I can’t even get to the site feedback via the menu bar in the banner.  : (

  88. 88.

    m.j.

    If you have the time, take a good look at that Norman Rockwell Thanksgiving painting and tell me the turkey isn’t levitating.

  89. 89.

    JPL

    @Baud: That’s not what I heard.   Blacks voted in record numbers, but a smaller percentage overall then in the past.   Biden’s numbers in the burbs were really strong, but he was not able to help Ossoff.  That  doesn’t bode well for the runoffs, unless the mountain folks stay home.   Mountain folk and racists who thought the election was stolen

    Ossoff’s new ads are softer, and similar to McBath’s so his numbers might improve

     

    Another update..  BTW I have already received information about absentee voting from two different orgs,  and I didn’t last time.

  91. 91.

    Sister Golden Bear

    @Catherine D.: San Diego is a Navy town, since it’s the homeport of the Pacific Fleet, so traditionally it’s been pretty red.

    I’ll defer to the local jackals as to how it leans today, but this year it broke for Biden.

    Worth noting that the San Joaquin Valley and rural parts of Northern/Eastern California are extremely red. Bakersfield is about as conservative as the Deep South. The far north (i.e. north of the Bay Area), and northern parts of the Western Sierras, have had a decades-long (mostly fringe) effort to secede and form the state of Jefferson, so that they can get their white-istan safe space.

  94. 94.

    Lyrebird

    @NotMax: Yay.

    Yeah I have found a few things on my list outside of Bezos’ empire, but I just found out that my kids fave supplier of base layer clothing (Ibex) is not making kids clothes any more.

     

    GACK!

    So back to Amazon.  Minus33 has some stuff, but not enough.

  98. 98.

    Geminid

    @raven: Rachel Bitecofer thought that the Democrats were crazy to pull back on traditional voter outreach activities. The republicans never stopped. Bitecofer said Democrats in some states like Wisconsin “went rogue” and kept up their outreach, to good effect.

  100. 100.

    JPL

    @Baud: I don’t know but this area votes.   I am convinced that my area which is smaller has flipped, because the former’s HHS wife lost twice in a row.  The first time Betty Price lost was not a fluke.   Rumor has it that Tom wants to run for Governor… hahahah   When Betty lost the first time, I was more shocked than I was about Lucy’s win.  Betty Price was the local state rep.

  103. 103.

    Anotherlurker

    @2liberal: I found an article from Newsday, Nov. 10 which gives trump a 52.5% win in Suffolk County and a 45.9% loss in Nassau County, so I was batting 500.

    I couldn’t link to it nor could I copy/paste, for some reason.

    More importantly for me, however, is that I was just notified that I will be welcoming a new furry family member into my home on Dec. 18.  The rescue flight will be landing at LAX.  The Pup in question and 19 other dogs were rescued from Chinese or Korean slaughterhouses.

    I lost my beautiful boy, Buddy on Jan. 20 and have had no success in adopting locally.   For me living without a dog in my life has been very difficult.  All my dogs are emotional support family members.

  104. 104.

    2liberal

    @Anotherlurker:: I found an article from Newsday, Nov. 10 which gives trump a 52.5% win in Suffolk County and a 45.9% loss in Nassau County, so I was batting 500.

     

    I think you need to add in Kings and Queens counties to the total.

  107. 107.

    raven

    @Anotherlurker: There was an article in the local paper yesterday telling about how a number of dogs in Georgia have been flown to the Virginia for adoption.

     

    MACON, Ga. (AP) — Packed in a dog crate, a 3-year-old boxer mix named Sky took flight earlier this month.
    She was one of a half-dozen dogs who got the ride of their lives flying from Macon, Georgia, to new homes in Virginia.
    Kim Williams, who volunteers for the Lost Dog and Cat Rescue Foundation of Arlington, Virginia, tells WMAZ-TV he has tapped into a puppy pipeline to bring some of Georgia’s homeless pet population to the mid-Atlantic region, where demand is outrunning the number of dogs available for adoption.

  109. 109.

    WaterGirl

    @Beautifulplumage: Just getting back to the computer now.  If you didn’t include screen shots, please send screen shots.   The ad guy was supposed to have taken down the full page ads that showed up as soon as you clicked to go to an individual thread.

    If he didn’t  do that, we need to know so John can read him the riot act.  If the ad guy did do that, but added some that are just as bad, we need to know that, too.

    So sending screen captures is the best thing you can do to help us get the ad situation resolved.

  110. 110.

    Anotherlurker

    @2liberal: Kings and Queens are part of NYC.  If you got into a conversation with some from Brooklyn or Queens and told them they were part of L.I., you would be looked upon as if you had 2 heads.

    The glacier says yes, they are all the same land mass, but culturally they are very different.   Don’t get me started on Staten Island, aka, NYC’s Alabama.

  111. 111.

    WaterGirl

    @pamelabrown53:

    Pamela, you have 6 comments in the kitchen thread.  Would you mind going back to that thread and seeing if the two comments you thought weren’t there are there now?

    If you can, please let me know either way.  thanks.

  112. 112.

    Anotherlurker

    @raven: Good article.  I am glad these pups are finding homes.

    Here in the East Bay, we are seeing the same thing.

    Since Feb. 1 I have filled out 26 applications.  I have received 6 replies.  3 of those replies basically said they would not let me adopt because I live in an apartment (fully dog friendly).  the other 3 applications were to German Shepherd and Husky breed rescues. They basically said that since I have owned Goldens and mixed breeds, I am not ready for a “real dog”, like a GSD or Husky.  They were very condescending.

    Even the municipal shelters don’t answer their application requests.

  113. 113.

    WaterGirl

    @JPL: @Baud:

    What I heard (Pod Save America ?) was that blacks had a lower percentage of the TOTAL vote than previously.  But the asian percentage had risen 3-4 points AND something like “race unknown” had something like a 3 point increase.  So it wasn’t necessarily that a smaller % of black people voted, but that some other groups had voted at higher %, so black votes were a smaller % of the total vote.

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    lowtechcyclist

    @Anotherlurker: At least everybody agrees that all of Staten Island is part of Staten Island.

    I’ve never quite gotten my head around New Yorkers’ belief that the NYC/Nassau County line defines part of the perimeter of an island.

    Anyhow, if you’re going to turn NY into multiple blue states, splitting NYC between those states seems to be the way to go.

  117. 117.

    2liberal

    @Anotherlurker Kings and Queens are part of NYC.  If you got into a conversation with some from Brooklyn or Queens and told them they were part of L.I., you would be looked upon as if you had 2 heads.

     

    I actually DO have two heads, just like Zaphod. I was thinking in terms of turning the landmass of Long Island into a state , and including Kings and Queens.  Maybe that wouldn’t work from what you’re saying.   I did see it written up somewhere , can’t remember where.

  118. 118.

    kindness

    My two dogs eat FreshPet most the time. One of them refuses to eat kibble. I was like ‘Challenge Accepted!’, but after she didn’t touch a thing for three days I went out and bought it. She loves it. So I have to feed it to the boy dog too or he thinks he’s getting shorted out.

  121. 121.

    NotMax

    @2liberal

    Not a-gonna happen. B’klyn and Queens people who work in Manhattan would then be subject to NYC non-resident taxes in addition to their new state (and local) taxes.

    If you became an employee of the City of New York on or after January 4, 1973, and if, while so employed, you were a nonresident of the City during any part of [the tax year], you are subject to Section 1127 of the New York City Charter and must file Form NYC-1127. Source (.pdf file)

  123. 123.

    Citizen Alan

    @Geminid: Hell, Jefferson’s famous letter where he invented the phrase “wall of separation” was written to freakin’ Baptists who were afraid of persecution!

  124. 124.

    Another Scott

    @JPL: One thing I’ve been very pleased to see this cycle is that lots of people with megaphones are calling out the bad-faith comments by the GOP.

    E.g.

    ? Stop pretending bad faith is good faith for the purposes of “politeness” or “dialogue.”

    — Don’tEverTalkToTheHatThatWay (@Popehat) October 16, 2020

    More please.

    It’s impossible to wrestle together to find an optimum solution to a problem given all of the real-world constraints when the other side does not argue in good faith.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  125. 125.

    2liberal

    @NotMax:  OK thanks.   So from  what is said you have to split up NYC to end up with 2 states, with 2 Dem senators each,  and if that happens than the tax thing applies.

     

    Anyway hopefully we win out in GA and add in DC and Puerto Rico as states.

  126. 126.

    Beautifulplumage

    @WaterGirl: I did figure out screenshots and sent a bunch via the site feedback form. The directing to a full page ad has been removed. See my screenshots for how annoying the new ad formats are. Thank you, as always, for helping with site issues ( and everything else you do for us).

  127. 127.

    WaterGirl

    @Beautifulplumage: Yes, when satby mentioned that she, too, had used the site feedback form and I checked again and had no email from that, I checked WordPress directly and found all the site feedback submissions from the last 2 days that had not been auto-emailed to me.

    I found all the screen captures (thank you!) from all of you and collected the info and sent it to John.  Will talk to John today.

    Not sure why the auto-emails suddenly stopped working!

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