Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Make the republican party small enough to drown in a bathtub.

Anyone who bans teaching American history has no right to shape America’s future.

Let there be snark.

“Can i answer the question? No you can not!”

Schmidt just says fuck it, opens a tea shop.

I know this must be bad for Joe Biden, I just don’t know how.

Republicans don’t want a speaker to lead them; they want a hostage.

Hot air and ill-informed banter

Impressively dumb. Congratulations.

Accused of treason; bitches about the ratings. I am in awe.

I didn’t have alien invasion on my 2023 BINGO card.

… riddled with inexplicable and elementary errors of law and fact

You can’t love your country only when you win.

It’s easy to sit in safety and prescribe what other people should be doing.

It’s the corruption, stupid.

And we’re all out of bubblegum.

This has so much WTF written all over it that it is hard to comprehend.

Bad news for Ron DeSantis is great news for America.

Putin must be throwing ketchup at the walls.

Motto for the House: Flip 5 and lose none.

A last alliance of elves and men. also pet photos.

Despite his magical powers, I don’t think Trump is thinking this through, to be honest.

When I decide to be condescending, you won’t have to dream up a fantasy about it.

“I never thought they’d lock HIM up,” sobbed a distraught member of the Lock Her Up Party.

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  1. 1.

    Roger Moore

    Yeah, I’m sure Barr is only thinking about quitting because he thinks it will look better if he pretends to have an attack of conscience rather than sticking it out to the bitter end.

  3. 3.

    RaflW

    Bill Barr would like to resume billing clients at exorbitant rates after the syndicate collapses. And B.B. would like to keep getting invites to conservative (paid) commencement addresses, etc.

    If he’s not on deck the exact moment, the SS Trump sunders, he’s good, right?

  4. 4.

    Kent

    Two comments.

    First, Barr’s ass is already fired.  We all did that ourselves on November 4th

    Second, he has to have wind of some truly horrifically illegal shit in the pipeline for the next 40 days.  If, after everything he has done and covered for over the past several years, the last month of the Trump Administration is going to be a bridge too far for someone as vile a Barr.

  7. 7.

    rikyrah

    BREAKING NEWS: Donald Trump’s officials TURNED DOWN offer of more doses of Pfizer’s breakthrough vaccine on top of shots for 50 million – and now might not get any extra supplies until JUNE

    I told you, the Woodward tapes told us something straight and clear:
    ALL actions taken with regards to COVID-19 were NEVER born out of an ignorance or misunderstanding of the virus.
    They understood COMPLETELY the science of the virus.
    Their decisions were full of DELIBERATE MALICE.
    THIS decision goes right along with this.
    Never forget that they had settled on HERD IMMUNITY.
    Just let the virus run rampant.
    So, that they wouldn’t order plenty of the vaccine should not be a shock.
    Order more for the common good of the country?
    When has he ever cared for the common good of the country?
    No. Deliberately DO NOT ORDER doses of the vaccine and repeat the situation of Early Spring, where we had the Hunger Games with the States.
    This action should make clear that he thought that he was going to cheat his  way back to the White House, and so he was going to ‘punish’ disloyal states with the vaccine.
    Also, Pfizer wasn’t part of “Warp Speed”, so he couldn’t take credit for it. And, if he couldn’t take credit for it, what good is it??
    This is why the so-called COVID-19 Task Force didn’t want to ” share” their work with the incoming Biden Administration-it’s full of bullshyt like this.?
    The Biden Administration should resolve to start from scratch. There is  nothing positive or competent that will be coming forth from the trash of Dolt45’s Administration.

  8. 8.

    MJS

    @RaflW: I’m sure that’s the plan. “I tried to tell/warn them, but they wouldn’t listen, and it finally got to be too much. You can only do so much. I tried. Wait, what? Why are you serving me with a subpoena? Didn’t you just hear what I said?”

  9. 9.

    RaflW

    @MJS: I dearly hope he’s too late, as you suggest. The D.C. press of course will forgive him in a red hot second.

    John Kerry windsurfing? Still embarrassing and wrong. Olly North doing actual crime? Eh, bygones.

  12. 12.

    Mike in NC

    Maybe Bill Barr regrets his role in the infamous Battle of Lafayette Square. Meanwhile, Trump wants to re-enact that event as one of the highlights (lowlights?) of his failed presidency. Millions of people watched the assault on unarmed protesters — something Putin probably goaded Fat Bastard into doing — and said, “What the fuck? That doesn’t happen in a democracy”.

  13. 13.

    BruceFromOhio

    Splashing gasoline all over themselves under the impression that “this will work GREAT”.

    Nope, Billy Barr made his play when he spilt the beans on election fraud and the lack thereof. He knew the arsonists were beyond reason and made the call. He’ll land in some cushy tenure alongside the criminals from the Bush regime.

  16. 16.

    Zelma

    @rikyrah:

    There’s an article at New York that suggests that the Moderna vaccine had been developed as early as January and that other vaccines were developed almost as early.  And that it took all this time to do the trials, even with speeding things up.

    The author explains why it took so long but also points out that China has been vaccinating its military since summer with some kind of vaccine.  Frankly there was no sense of urgency from the top.

    The reason Moderna was able to develop a vaccine so quickly is that it could piggy-back on the SARS vaccine lessons. It’s an interesting article.

  17. 17.

    MattF

    Barr wants to get the big fees for speech-making, but ‘traitor’ doesn’t hit the right note with the booking agencies.

  18. 18.

    LuciaMia

    @Roger Moore: 

    Yeah, I’m sure Barr is only thinking about quitting because he thinks it will look better if he pretends to have an attack of conscience rather than sticking it out to the bitter end.

    Bingo!

  19. 19.

    sdhays

    @Kent: I love point number 1.

    Bill Barr has proven to be an exceedingly unethical individual, and it has been enlightening just much the elite legal profession didn’t realize this despite having been a mob-style fixer the last time he had the job and having written a slobbering suck up letter begging to be allowed to be a fixer again this time around.

    But so far, everything he has personally done has probably been technically legal. If there’s some major criming that he sees coming, either he’ll have to actually take a stand against it (and thus become a target for the MAGAT hordes) or become possibly complicit in a legal liable way. And since he’s already in the dog house with old Dumpy, he’s not going to get one of those fancy blanket pardons…

  21. 21.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    My take is Barr is a true believer in the Divine Right of Kings (he’s Catholic after all) but Trump’s contempt for the rules is the deal breaker with the way Trump is trying to punish people for not breaking the law for Trump.  Barr want’s Louis XIV, not a post syphilis Al Capone.

  24. 24.

    TS (the original)

    @BruceFromOhio:

    Trump’s America – and Florida voted for Trump and DeSantis to keep doing this type of thing. I like to think some folks don’t know this is happening – but that is just lying to myself.

  25. 25.

    trollhattan

    @MattF:

    Federalist Society, Heritage, US Chamber, AEI will all leave the light on for him, and a check on the table. They got their money’s worth.

  28. 28.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @BruceFromOhio:

    Saw that a few minutes ago, and was horrified. I sent the link to Anne Laurie, and I hope she’ll give it prominent placement in the morning Covid thread. This story deserves wide circulation.

  29. 29.

    Glidwrith

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Because Pfizer filled several other orders and it takes time to create more. Pfizer offered us more. The Orange Slime Mold fucked us over. Again.

    Taking into consideration Martin’s comment in the prior thread, yes, the Pfizer cold storage is an issue. But how many doses of the Moderna vaccine will be available? Last I knew, Moderna isn’t a large company – do they have the production capacity that Pfizer has?

  32. 32.

    tybee

    at least our youngest offspring will be on the early list for the vaccine:

    graduated in May of this year, BSN, passed the NCLEX in June and now works in a trauma ICU.

  34. 34.

    patrick II

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    Trump has been threatening to fire Barr, so my first thought was simply “You can’t fire me I quit”.  After his own threats to leave, I am surprised that Barr hasn’t gotten one of Trump’s firing tweets.  So, you are probably right — maybe they have too much on each other.  Or maybe Barr is still hoping for a pardon (although in his own mind he  probably doesn’t think he needs one).

    I would like to say with only 43 more days to go I’ll stop worrying about it –but Trump is creating as much damage as possible on his way out of the door.

    It’s kind of like not being able to take your eyes off of a horrible accident, but with the difference being there are still pieces flying around that might hit you.

  36. 36.

    sdhays

    @rikyrah: It’s guaranteed that Jared needs a pardon, at least, for his intentional mismanagement of all things related COVID. There’s no way he merely fucked things up and didn’t wet his beak.

    Also, this from yesterday: WH COVID Officials Dispute Biden’s Claim Of ‘No Detailed Plan’ On Vaccine Rollout. Biden’s quote is this:

    There is no detailed plan that we’ve seen, anyway, as to how you get the vaccine out of a container, into an injection syringe, into somebody’s arm.

    Since he says “that we’ve seen, anyway”, it’s entirely possible that the information just hasn’t been shared with the transition yet. After all, they’re getting a late start because what’s her face couldn’t be bothered to do her fucking job for, what, three weeks?

    But somehow I don’t think the plans are as detailed as they think they are.

  37. 37.

    Elizabelle

    Do not forget that Barr greenlighted more federal executions as Trump is on the way out the door.  He has literal blood on his hands. From the AP, yesterday:

    CHICAGO (AP) — As Donald Trump’s presidency winds down, his administration is ratcheting up the pace of federal executions despite a surge of coronavirus cases in prisons, announcing plans for five starting Thursday and concluding just days before the Jan. 20 inauguration of President-elect Joe Biden.
    If the five go off as planned, it will make 13 executions since July when the Republican administration resumed putting inmates to death after a 17-year hiatus and will cement Trump’s legacy as the most prolific execution president in over 130 years. He’ll leave office having executed about a quarter of all federal death-row prisoners, despite waning support for capital punishment among both Democrats and Republicans.
    In a recent interview with The Associated Press, Attorney General William Barr defended the extension of executions into the post-election period, saying he’ll likely schedule more before he departs the Justice Department.

    … Not since the waning days of Grover Cleveland’s presidency in the late 1800s has the U.S. government executed federal inmates during a presidential transition…

  39. 39.

    sab

    God I wish Kirkland and Ellis have set their standards high enough that a partner who tried to burn down democracy in his country can’t come back.

    I know. If wishes were horses beggars would ride.

  43. 43.

    Martin

    I don’t think people realize just how exhausting narcissists are. Yes, they create lots of opportunities for hangers-on, but as soon as things get out of shape, you have to dedicate all of your energy plus a a bunch that doesn’t exist on appeasing the boss. There’s literally nothing you can do to make your situation better but quit and get out of that space.

  47. 47.

    Elizabelle

    @Martin:   Speaking of bears, not narcissists, I loved that New Republic link you shared, about the New Hampshire glibertarians’ town that “went feral.”

  49. 49.

    sab

    @Zelma: From what I have read, they didn’t speed up the trials much. They sped up production ahead of the trials, with government backing. So if a pharmaceutical company backed the wrong vaccine that failed and didn’t get approved they wouldn’t lose a fortune. Every possibility is in production way ahead of approval, with manufacurers financially protected if theirs fails. Sounds sensible to me.

  51. 51.

    Martin

    In local news, the nearby Bond Fire was caused by a house fire that spread to the local wilderness. The house fire was caused by a gas generator that caught fire when it was being refueled (while hot – don’t do that), and the gas generator was being used because the utility shut off power due to the high wind threat.

    So, in the end we didn’t get a prevention of a fire, but we did get an apparent successful shifting of the liability for paying for the fire. I’m hoping the regulatory agencies and courts this inevitably goes through recognize the dynamic here and put the liability on the utility for being the ultimate source of the problem.

    Bury your power lines people. I know it’s expensive but so is restringing them every time a storm blows through.

    We had two more firefighters injured on this fire. One of the firefighters injured on the Silverado fire died last month.

  55. 55.

    Redshift

    @debbie:

    Nah, that cow left the barn months and months ago. Barr will never get the Trump Stink off. 

    I would like to think so, but after the warm reception he got as an “adult in the room” despite his previous role in recommending the Iran-Contra pardon-palooza, I’m not confident. Maybe his actions this time were blatant enough and not behind the scenes.

  56. 56.

    trollhattan

    @Glidwrith:

    I read the UK’s order from Pfizer is coming from Belgium–I don’t have any idea how many plants they have but have to believe they’ve tooled up as many as they can w/o affecting their other manufacturing demands.

    Evidently they’ve had issues with supply chains for items such as syringes, etc.

  57. 57.

    Martin

    @NotMax: If only Rudy wasn’t hospitalized with Covid. Such a  missed opportunity. My vote is for DiGenova – he called for executions and that seems like what Trump is looking for.

  60. 60.

    sab

    Zelma: completely OT but tied to Levenson tonight ( I don’t zoom.) Re the French: have you read Thomas Piketty’s book from a few years back. He is French. Lots about French government bonds in prior centuries. Different from English.

    “Capital in the 21st Century” but he goes back several centuries as background. You might like if you haven’t read, but I bet you have already.

  61. 61.

    coin operated

    @Martin: I don’t think people realize just how exhausting narcissists are.

    <snip>

    There’s literally nothing you can do to make your situation better but quit and get out of that space.

    QFT.  Two weeks ago, coin’s daughter finally got rid of her narcissist partner after a 3-year run.

    Spoke to daughter last night and her exact words were “Holy shit dad…he was exhausting”

  65. 65.

    John Revolta

    “Don’t blame us for this shit!” https://opusdei.org/en-us/article/statement-regarding-u-s-attorney-general-william-barr/

    Our normal policy is not to identify members (or non-members) of the Prelature, but rather to leave it to each individual to make known this information. Nevertheless, because there have been recent news accounts referring to the U.S. Attorney General, William Barr, as a member of Opus Dei, we would like to clarify that Mr. Barr is not a member of Opus Dei nor has he ever been one.

  66. 66.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Glidwrith:

    All of the math, everything, will change radically on January 20th.  Plans are being made now, and I bet contacts quietly informed.  Remember when there would be no vaccine at all until 18 months at a minimum?  Under normal circumstances that would have been absolutely true, but the whole world throwing in on getting a vaccine is not normal circumstances.  When extremely competent people throw the whole power of the US federal government behind getting the population vaccinated, the numbers will improve.  A lot.  How much, I don’t know.  The vaccine may not have taken 18 months, but it did take 9.

  68. 68.

    Glidwrith

    @trollhattan: As I recall, they’ve got manufacturing in Michigan, with final packaging in Wisconsin.

    It was always going to be difficult logistically – one does not simply vaccinate 7 billion people in a day – but Shitgibbon found another way to make it harder.

  70. 70.

    BruceFromOhio

    @John S.: I filtered down to Manatee County, where an aunt and uncle have a condo in Bradenton. It’s a red “hot spot” on the map, and I try not to think about it too much. If they get in a jam, none of the cousins are close by.

  73. 73.

    sab

    @Martin: I worked in a firm once with an amazing, highly regarded and wonderful boss whose son was a toxic narcissist. It is amazing how much that guys could suck common sense, morality and ethics out of the air. Fortunately, most people never encounter one. Not sympathetic for Trump workers. If you work in DC you should have your antennae on alert.

  74. 74.

    Sm*t Cl*de

    From Barr’s perspective, the important thing is that his short-term successor should be as incompetent and murderously venal as possible, so he will become a shining example in comparison.

  76. 76.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    So I just checked with the NYT’s “find your place in line” tool. It seems I’m number 268.7 million.

    That’s projecting among others 2.6 M kids (assuming it’s approved for kids) and 1.5 M young adults, which don’t sound like very large numbers for those categories. I’m guessing those are some high-risk subcategory.

    Since this thing began I’ve been operating on the assumption that it would be 3rd or 4th quarter of 2021, so nothing has changed that estimate.

  77. 77.

    Glidwrith

    @Frankensteinbeck: Biden will be quite competent and will straighten out logistics with his people as fast as possible, but just like we have >3000 COVID deaths per day already baked into the cake, we now have several months delay which can’t be avoided.

    And sadly, the reason the vaccines happened so much faster is because the fascist Thugs poured gasoline all over and lit the match. Vaccine efficacy is always a numbers game – you have to have enough cases to test against placebo and we blew right through the needed cases.

  78. 78.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Zelma:

    The author explains why it took so long but also points out that China has been vaccinating its military since summer with some kind of vaccine

    I hadn’t seen that– I’d assumed China would be at the forefront of vaccine development

  79. 79.

    Winston

    @rikyrah: We should have seen this coming //

    For those who want to take a vax now, Johnson and Johnson is looking for 60,000 volunteers for a phase 3 trial. Get a 50/50 chance of getting the real vax.

  82. 82.

    jimmiraybob

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: “My take is Barr is a true believer in the Divine Right of Kings (he’s Catholic after all) …”

    Pat Buchanan once said on TV (McLaughlin Group) that he would be OK with a king as long as it was a benevolent king… presumably also sufficiently Catholic.

  85. 85.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @planetjanet: Over 60, non-essential job, no known risk conditions.

    I tried poking in some different ages to see where the age made a difference. If I say 30 or under, or 65 or older, I jump up considerably in line.

    I wonder why the emphasis on the young? My guess is that they’ve been identified as the biggest group of carriers.

  88. 88.

    Martin

    @Kent: 2020. My understanding is that by end of 2021, the US had secured offers for 800 million doses. Half or so were Pfizer and the other half spread roughly equally with Moderna, Glaxo, J&J, and Novavax.

    Now, those were purchase commitments, not purchases. Basically we got the right of refusal on additional orders over the first 100M that we paid for. But there’s really no way for us to know which companies have come through at which time for additional orders, and which ones we’ve taken.

    I understand Hyvee is handing vaccinations in parts of the midwest, which isn’t a terrible plan. They have a lot of local locations and a pretty good distribution chain that involves cold goods. Updating those to handle ultracold is probably not that hard.  But that’s the challenge with the Pfizer vaccine – you need a lot of patients all in one place at one time, and that’s hard to pull off in much of the US. That’s why schools have been good options for vaccination – they can control that very well.

  89. 89.

    Eunicecycle

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: I tried it. I am 65 (today actually) and no conditions and I am 118 millionth in line. My husband is 67 with a lung condition and is 23 millionth in line. It seems the pre-existing condition means quite a bit.

  90. 90.

    Miss Bianca

    @sab: I sort of wonder how “wonderful people” end up raising toxic narcissists. Makes me wonder if there’s a “nature” element to narcissism, where I always figured it was a “nurturing” deficiency.

  92. 92.

    Mary Ellen Sandahl

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:There’s a lot to that. That yearning for a Big Infallible Boss seems to warp a lot of people.

    The question I have is, how could someone as experienced in the ways of government, USA-style, blind himself to the non-Louis XIV qualities of Trump – seeing him up close and in continuous petty, dopey, amoral action as he must have – for almost 2 years?

  94. 94.

    HumboldtBlue

    @rikyrah:

    Their decisions were full of DELIBERATE MALICE.

    House, and so he was going to ‘punish’ disloyal states with the vaccine.

    Also, Pfizer wasn’t part of “Warp Speed”, so he couldn’t take credit for it. And, if he couldn’t take credit for it, what good is it

    Yup. It was pointed out on Twitter that Trump’s only aim for the vaccine was to get it out before Nov. 3. That didn’t happen so who gives a fuck about anything after that?

  95. 95.

    Roger Moore

    @jimmiraybob:

    Pat Buchanan once said on TV (McLaughlin Group) that he would be OK with a king as long as it was a benevolent king… presumably also sufficiently Catholic.

    I think someone like Buchanan would only classify the king as “sufficiently benevolent” if he upheld the right standards of Catholicism.

  96. 96.

    Kent

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    So I just checked with the NYT’s “find your place in line” tool. It seems I’m number 268.7 million.

    That’s projecting among others 2.6 M kids (assuming it’s approved for kids) and 1.5 M young adults, which don’t sound like very large numbers for those categories. I’m guessing those are some high-risk subcategory.

    Since this thing began I’ve been operating on the assumption that it would be 3rd or 4th quarter of 2021, so nothing has changed that estimate.

    I checked it.  As a physician my wife is first in line.  I’m 135th million in line as a teacher.

    I kind of doubt it will actually work like that though.  I expect that once they get through the first few categories of essential workers and elderly and the production is ramped up they will probably be giving it out as fast as they can to all comers.

  101. 101.

    burnspbesq

    Age 65, diabetic and with a stent in one of my coronary arteries? I’m hoping to get shot up sometime in Q1.

  104. 104.

    Geminid

    The conservative fat cats Barr has served the last few decades don’t give a shit about trump personally, but as AG Barr could guard and further their interests. I expect they want Barr and Mark Meadows to shine trump on until the Georgia Senate runoffs, but after Jan. 6 trump will no longer be of use to them. Then Barr can go back to work for real billionaires. And while he is essentially shameless as to public opinion, I can see how Barr might not want to be around when trump issues pardons next month.

  105. 105.

    planetjanet

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    The specific number is just the fifth quintile.  It is not a finely tuned model.  Still, very interesting.   The graphic in the FTFNTY article was amusing to see myself at the tail of the line.

  112. 112.

    opiejeanne

    @Eunicecycle: Happy birthday!

    I ran it on my DH, age 73, no health issues, and he’s behind 118.5 million, or 2.4 million in WA, which is about a third of the state. In King County, he’s behind 627,700.

    I’m 70 and do have a health issue, so I’m behind 23 million nationwide, and 440,000 in WA. IN King County I’m behind 146,800.

    Looking at the difference between our places in line is depressing and somewhat dystopian.

  116. 116.

    catclub

    @Zelma: The author explains why it took so long but also points out that China has been vaccinating its military since summer with some kind of vaccine. Frankly there was no sense of urgency from the top.

     

    huh? whut?  The ONLY thing Trump wanted, and telegraphed pretty clearly to the world, was a vaccine by about October 27th.

    heck, he did not care if it had been tested or legitimately approved.

  118. 118.

    Eunicecycle

    @opiejeanne: Thanks for the bd wishes. I wonder too, with the disparity between my husband and me in our “place in line”, will it really work out that way? I pictured we’d go together and get it when available. With his underlying condition of course I want him to get it before me, though.

  120. 120.

    Chagall Charles Caltrop

    @Miss Bianca: my limited experience suggests that a narcissistic woman marries an empathic man, and the marriage endures because since the empathic man has the money, the narcissistic mother never gets too over the top with her spouse.  However, Mom the narcissist raises kids she pits against each other, making one the golden child (who becomes the next generation narcissist) and the others the scapegoats.

  123. 123.

    Zelma

    @sab:

    I thought the history parts of Picketty were very interesting.  I thought he generalized a bit from his very extensive discussion of the French system.  I thought Tom did a good job of answering my question, probably because I mostly agreed with him.  I think one point that should noted is how much tax collecting in France was in private hands.  Privatization wasn’t good then and it isn’t good now.

    The Zoom discussion was fun.

  124. 124.

    Ruckus

    @trollhattan:

    I am working on mold parts for something to do with COVID, but I have no idea what. But from the size and configuration they could be for syringes. They could be from something else entirely, I’m not betting 2 cents on it either way.

  125. 125.

    Ruckus

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    They have the longest life to lose. If you are 25 now, you could have another 70 yrs and if you are a bit more ghoulish, a full career as a tax paying and maybe voting citizen. If you are 50-65 you really aren’t of child bearing/raising years any/much longer to have more tax paying/voting citizens. If you are over 65 you have a much higher risk and if you are under 25 you may be quite a bit less at risk. No one is at zero risk of course

  126. 126.

    Suzanne

    Spawn the Elder is an essential worker; he’s been working at a Walmart Neighborhood Market doing cashiering and door duty, which is managing the line outside to limit occupancy and handing out masks. So I have been really concerned about his safety, because there are too many crazy people. His management is already telling them that vaccines will be rolling out to them relatively soon.

    I have asked my management if we are considered essential if we are onsite at healthcare facilities. In the spring, we were deemed essential because we are healthcare supply chain and we’re working with hospital systems on their surge plans. I have an active project in a large urban hospital that is surge space, so it’s important to build, but they have had positive cases on the site and I don’t want to go out there until it’s either under control or I get the vaccine. To be clear, most people in my office wouldn’t be considered essential, just people who have to be on the construction site rather than in the office. Not trying to game anything, but there is no way to keep a construction site from being a germ factory.

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