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You are here: Home / Economics / Grifters Gonna Grift / Wednesday Evening Open Thread: Fire Sale At the Grift Pardon Factory

Wednesday Evening Open Thread: Fire Sale At the Grift Pardon Factory

by Anne Laurie|  December 9, 20206:13 pm| 114 Comments

This post is in: Grifters Gonna Grift, Open Threads, Republican Venality, Trump Crime Cartel, Lock Him Up...Lock Them All Up

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Wednesday Evening Open Thread:  Fire Sale At the <del>Grift</del> Pardon Factory

(Clay Jones via GoComics.com)
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Trump is now offering pardons to associates who don't even want one, Axios reports pic.twitter.com/WS8SYCQMf0

— Jan Wolfe (@JanNWolfe) December 8, 2020


This is embarrassing. It’s worth bearing in mind that Texas AG Ken Paxton, who filed the suit, is under criminal investigation by the FBI after his own entire senior staff turned him in for corruption. Maybe he thinks disgracing himself further will win a pardon. https://t.co/zmfwTeLcRl

— Julian Sanchez (@normative) December 8, 2020


Look, over there! Illicit Democrats attempting to vote! Details of the accusations against Paxton here at CNN:

… There is, meanwhile, an accumulating body of allegations against Paxton. A letter obtained in October by the Austin American-Statesman and television station KVUE, noted that a number of Paxton’s top aides had reported to “the appropriate law enforcement authority” a “potential violation of law” by Paxton. The staffers insisted they had “a good faith belief that the Attorney General is violating federal and/or state law, including prohibitions relating to improper influence, abuse of office, bribery and other potential criminal offenses.”

Several of Paxton’s former employees filed a whistleblower lawsuit against the attorney general, saying Paxton retaliated against them after they accused him of intervening in legal matters to help his friend, a real estate investor who had made a $25,000 donation to his 2018 campaign, according to the suit. Paxton has denied their allegations…

Paxton has already been indicted for felony securities fraud, accused of failing to register with the State Securities Board while selling stock to investors without disclosing he was making a commission. The case has been hung up on questions of venue, and payment and replacement of county prosecutors, and has slogged through appeals that have dragged it out for five years without adjudication.

The indictments did not stop Paxton from winning reelection at the same time his wife was being voted into a seat in the Texas state senate. In one of her earliest acts in public office, Angela Paxton filed a bill to broadly increase her husband’s power with legislation allowing him to exempt individuals from state securities law. Surely, it is only coincidental that those are the laws Paxton is accused of violating. The measure appears to have stunk too much even for the Texas legislature and didn’t get a committee hearing…

Also, NY Attorney-General went on The View today, to remind the Squatter-in-Chief that she has his number (all his numbers), and that cute theories about stepping down in order to let Very Briefly President Pence pardon him would not protect him, even assuming Trump could stand to be reignite the ‘Nixon, only dumber & less effective’ comparisons.

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  1. 1.

    West of the Rockies

    December 9, 2020 at 6:26 pm

    Paxton and Pompeo… a pair of red state pigs.

  2. 2.

    debbie

    December 9, 2020 at 6:26 pm

    I hadn’t heard of Paxton before this lawsuit. The sad part is that he’s not unique in his amorality. Every corrupt GOPer ought to be ferreted out and brought up on charges.

  3. 3.

    MomSense

    December 9, 2020 at 6:29 pm

    I’ve been laughing so hard tonight.  Someone crashed one of my son’s zoom classes wearing a parrot costume and after some antics he pulled out a trumpet and started playing it really loudly.  The photos are hilarious.

  4. 4.

    dmsilev

    December 9, 2020 at 6:30 pm

    So, under the theory espoused by Texas where “another state’s laws are causing injury to us just by comparison”, can’t California sue all of the Red states for impeding California’s anti-pollution laws? How about New York suing because of lax Red State gun laws? Michigan suing because of all the anti-union laws? Massachusetts suing North Carolina because Duke calling itself “the Harvard of the South” degrades the worth of Harvard’s endowment?

  5. 5.

    p.a.

    December 9, 2020 at 6:30 pm

    Fux ‘News’ wall-to-wall Hunter Biden tax issue ????? They’re doing more to lower the national i.q. than meth cooks are.

  6. 6.

    featheredsprite

    December 9, 2020 at 6:31 pm

    Maybe we should send AG James a present to show our appreciation,

  7. 7.

    danielx

    December 9, 2020 at 6:34 pm

    Please….make it stop.

  8. 8.

    sab

    December 9, 2020 at 6:35 pm

    @MomSense: How well did the parrot play that trumpet? I thought you needed perfect teeth to play trumpet well.

  9. 9.

    laura

    December 9, 2020 at 6:35 pm

    It’s shite-bags all the way down.

  10. 10.

    dmsilev

    December 9, 2020 at 6:36 pm

    @p.a.: This will obviously reduce Hunter’s chances of being nominated for a Cabinet post.

    Seriously, how long until we find out that either the White House or someone like Barr pushed this investigation into existing? And also, I assume we’ll learn that it existed before the election and that Trump is pissed because it didn’t become public until now.

  11. 11.

    bbleh

    December 9, 2020 at 6:36 pm

    @dmsilev:  Indeed from some of the few comments by Savvy Lawyers I’ve seen, this is one of the things that’s likely to make the Supremos run away, run away fast.

  12. 12.

    MomSense

    December 9, 2020 at 6:37 pm

    @sab:

    He did not play it well at all.  He jammed it into his costume and made loud screeching like sounds.

  13. 13.

    Steeplejack

    December 9, 2020 at 6:39 pm

    This “Hunter Biden tax investigation” thing is really pissing me off, because it’s reminding me that Trump has skated through an entire term in office—plus the campaign beforehand—without revealing anything about his own taxes or being called to account. It has been buried under COVID and all the other crap that happened before that. I really hope that the New York attorney general is keeping this simmering on the back burner for when Trump is out of office.

    P.S. And I’m still pissed that Chris Christie skated on Bridgegate. The Rethuglicans delay, obfuscate, delay some more and eventually walk. I want to see some accountability, damn it, preferably with some smiting involved. All that this “Look forward, not back” stuff means is that they pop up again later doing something even worse.

  14. 14.

    bbleh

    December 9, 2020 at 6:40 pm

    One of the questions I have is, will the Honorable Legal Profession do anything at all in response to these blatant abuses that might even suggest that the term “legal ethics” is anything but a bad joke?

    I’m guessing the answer is “LOLsoveryVERYmuchNOThahahahaha.”  And I’m further guessing that the Political Media will continue to carefully ignore even raising the issue, not least because many members of the Honorable Legal Profession are some of their very bestest friends evarrrr.

  15. 15.

    debbie

    December 9, 2020 at 6:44 pm

    That dipsy chick, Mellissa Carone, apparently is refusing to self-quarantine despite her proximity to Rudy G. Can we hang a “Superspreader” sign like an albatross around her neck?

  16. 16.

    Roger Moore

    December 9, 2020 at 6:46 pm

    From Trump’s POV, if you don’t need a pardon you’re doing it wrong.

  17. 17.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    December 9, 2020 at 6:46 pm

    The list gets longer and longer

    Word is Dump will pardon all of Adam Sandler’s movies.

  18. 18.

    bbleh

    December 9, 2020 at 6:47 pm

    @debbie:  At this point, I’m not sure there’s anything we could do to subject her to more ridicule.

    (Not, of course, that she would care …)

  19. 19.

    Carolina Dave

    December 9, 2020 at 6:49 pm

    @dmsilev:  A gent!e reminder, it is spelled Dook, and as a private school, the state of North Carolina isn’t responsible for its graduates (Richard Nixon – Law) or atrocities (men’s basketball)

  20. 20.

    satby

    December 9, 2020 at 6:50 pm

    And while we’re fitting folks for prison stripes, let’s not forget DeJoy, whose destruction at the Post Office is in track to really mess up Christmas, and is still delaying medications and other important deliveries.I

    Dammit spellcheck

  21. 21.

    TS (the original)

    December 9, 2020 at 6:54 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Seriously, how long until we find out that either the White House or someone like Barr pushed this investigation into existing?

    My very first thought – when I saw it. Yet another attack by trump as a parting gesture.

  22. 22.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    December 9, 2020 at 6:54 pm

    @Carolina Dave:

     it is spelled Dook,

    We generally spell it “Puke” out here on the west coast.

  23. 23.

    Baud

    December 9, 2020 at 6:55 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Melber’s show said the investigation started in 2018 before Barr.  We just have to wait and see.

  24. 24.

    Spanky

    December 9, 2020 at 6:56 pm

    @debbie: That reminds me, can a really voluminous, rancid fart be its own superspreader event? Asking for a shitty lawyer.

  25. 25.

    zhena gogolia

    December 9, 2020 at 6:58 pm

    @Spanky:

    You can definitely get Covid from one. I saw that early in the pandemic. They were advising everyone to always wear pants.

  26. 26.

    Spanky

    December 9, 2020 at 7:00 pm

    @zhena gogolia: N95 pants?

     

    ETA: And I’m a little concerned that no one warned Baud

    Eta2: And there he is!

  27. 27.

    Baud

    December 9, 2020 at 7:01 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    But my FREEDOM!

  28. 28.

    raven

    December 9, 2020 at 7:01 pm

    @dmsilev: Go Illini!!!!!

  29. 29.

    Frank Wilhoit

    December 9, 2020 at 7:02 pm

    @sab: Parrots don’t even need an instrument.

  30. 30.

    debbie

    December 9, 2020 at 7:03 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    Heh, I was wondering if Sasha Baron Cohen had been advised about this.

  31. 31.

    MomSense

    December 9, 2020 at 7:06 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    Same here.  And while we’re at it, I’m still fuming mad about the snack force assholes who vandalized the Malheur wildlife refuge.

  32. 32.

    Spanky

    December 9, 2020 at 7:07 pm

    Sigh.

    House approves one-week spending bill as stimulus talks drag on

    WaPo, from the homepage.

  33. 33.

    TS (the original)

    December 9, 2020 at 7:07 pm

    O/T: Breaking news at the Washington Post

    U.S. records more than 3,000 deaths in a single day, a new high

    After weeks of surging infections and rising levels of virus hospitalizations, the United States recorded more than 3,000 covid-19 deaths in a single day, a pandemic record.

    Another first for the president

  34. 34.

    Steeplejack

    December 9, 2020 at 7:07 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    And here’s another goddamn thing:

    I feel like this didn’t get enough attention last week: The prostitution charges against Robert Kraft were dropped, but the sex workers were still charged and forced to pay tens of thousands of dollars in fines.
    https://t.co/eTts7AuPWt

    — Jacob Shamsian (@JayShams) December 9, 2020

  35. 35.

    MomSense

    December 9, 2020 at 7:10 pm

    @sab:

    Here’s an insight into my bizarre upbringing.  My mom (violinist) told me that I should try to date a trumpet player. “They are the best kissers in the orchestra.” Then she sort of tilted her head and said with a knowing look that “…it’s the embouchure.”

  36. 36.

    Steeplejack

    December 9, 2020 at 7:11 pm

    @MomSense:

    Inorite. I’m afraid to sit down and compile a list, because my blood pressure couldn’t take it.

  37. 37.

    debbie

    December 9, 2020 at 7:11 pm

    @TS (the original):

    For some reason, Ohio is now tracking antigen test results in addition to PCRs. I don’t know why because they’re not supposed to be as accurate. As a result, however, there were more than 20,000 new cases yesterday. I may never sleep again.

  38. 38.

    geg6

    December 9, 2020 at 7:12 pm

    @dmsilev:

    According to TPM, the investigation started in 2018.  They just told his lawyer recently.

  39. 39.

    dmsilev

    December 9, 2020 at 7:12 pm

    @TS (the original): 3000 is about the same number of people who died in the 9/11 attacks. So, we’re now at the point of suffering a 9/11 every day. And looking at the case history and noting that deaths trail cases and hospitalizations, that number is going to get worse before it gets any better.

  40. 40.

    sab

    December 9, 2020 at 7:14 pm

    @MomSense: That made me laugh.

    Your mom’ favorite chocolate store in Akron might stil be alive. In support of local commerce could I send you some?

  41. 41.

    debbie

    December 9, 2020 at 7:14 pm

    @geg6:

    Isn’t this what Trump’s quid pro quo with Ukraine was all about? Or maybe I’m getting the scandals all jumbled up.

  42. 42.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 9, 2020 at 7:17 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    Poor Baud :-(

  43. 43.

    geg6

    December 9, 2020 at 7:17 pm

    @debbie:

    Related.  This is about his dealings in China.

  44. 44.

    sab

    December 9, 2020 at 7:17 pm

    @MomSense: I come from the opposite extreme. My mother used to roll her eyes and say “He’s creative” as an absolute no go.

  45. 45.

    MomSense

    December 9, 2020 at 7:18 pm

    @sab:

    Hey thanks for that.  I appreciate the thought, but actually you have just solved my Christmas present dilemma for my mom.  When this pandemic  is behind us, I promised my mom a road trip to Akron and of course a visit to the cemetery and the chocolate shop.  I’d love to meet up in Akron.

  46. 46.

    Spanky

    December 9, 2020 at 7:19 pm

    @MomSense: Be thankful she never told you the horror stories of kissing the tuba player

    ETA: Signed, a trumpet player

  47. 47.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 9, 2020 at 7:19 pm

    @MomSense:

    I was married to a French horn player for a number of years…

  48. 48.

    sab

    December 9, 2020 at 7:19 pm

    @MomSense: Please yes. I would love that.

  49. 49.

    PsiFighter37

    December 9, 2020 at 7:20 pm

    Apparently Ted Cruz agreed to argue the Texas case in front of SCOTUS if it makes it. Honestly, that moron has no honor. Right before he dropped out in May 2016, he said one of the very few things I agreed with 100%, which was his assessment of Trump as a person. To see how much he has debased himself for someone who called his wife ugly and said his dad was part of a conspiracy to kill JFK…Jesus F’ing Christ. You have to have less than zero self-respect to do that to yourself.

  50. 50.

    Martin

    December 9, 2020 at 7:22 pm

    Daughter Martin is very, very excited that Ratataouille is actually getting a one night show.

    It’s the work of bored TikTok folks that decided to write their own musical with little vignette performances all over the place. Here’s a good video rundown of it.

    So while the dipshits were out there protesting masks and whatnot the young people, the theater nerds, were creating something wonderful. Seriously, just hand them the keys already.

  51. 51.

    MomSense

    December 9, 2020 at 7:22 pm

    @sab:

    I just called and the voicemail said they are permanently closed.  ?

  52. 52.

    MomSense

    December 9, 2020 at 7:23 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    ? ???

  53. 53.

    Baud

    December 9, 2020 at 7:27 pm

    All 50 states and the District of Columbia have now certified their presidential results, according to CNN’s tally, as the Electoral College process moves forward with the meeting of electors on Monday.

  54. 54.

    sab

    December 9, 2020 at 7:28 pm

    @MomSense: That is sad. Covid has been  a disaster that everyone ignores.

  55. 55.

    Martin

    December 9, 2020 at 7:29 pm

    @dmsilev: Gonna have to update this Twitter post.

  56. 56.

    scav

    December 9, 2020 at 7:30 pm

    Quick! Pardons for all the Trump buddies!  Quick-Quick!  Federal executions for as many as possible! Party of Life! Party of Law and Order!  Party like it’s 2020 Trumpland!!

  57. 57.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 9, 2020 at 7:30 pm

    Trump is now offering pardons to associates who don’t even want one, Axios reports

    Hooray to another five weeks of this shit. 

    Over/under on when the Soviet shitpile mobster conman tries to appoint someone else as President so they can pardon his traitorous orange ass?

  58. 58.

    sab

    December 9, 2020 at 7:30 pm

    @MomSense: Are we still on?

  59. 59.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 9, 2020 at 7:32 pm

    @dmsilev: Is anyone still alive in South Dakota?  (I’m only half joking.)

  60. 60.

    sab

    December 9, 2020 at 7:34 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: I think they used to be normal humans, then the creatures fracking from Texas and Oklahoma came through, and voted.

  61. 61.

    rikyrah

    December 9, 2020 at 7:36 pm

    .@joyannreid: "Let's be clear: this isn't about fraud.These Republicans are simply saying, in effect, they do not and will not accept that Black voters should be allowed to cast votes, however legal those votes may be, to overrule the desires of a majority of white voters." pic.twitter.com/lNtGQ3G0oj— The ReidOut (@thereidout) December 10, 2020

  62. 62.

    MomSense

    December 9, 2020 at 7:36 pm

    @sab:

    Temos is closed. ?

  63. 63.

    BruceFromOhio

    December 9, 2020 at 7:37 pm

    Also, NY Attorney-General went on The View today, to remind the Squatter-in-Chief that she has his number

    HAHAHAHAHA STATES RIGHTS BITCHEZ

  64. 64.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 9, 2020 at 7:39 pm

    Also, NY Attorney-General went on The View today, to remind the Squatter-in-Chief that she has his number (all his numbers)

    “I would like to directly address the dumb, orange fascist who was a massive loser of the 2020 Presidential election.  You know who your loser ass is.”

  65. 65.

    sab

    December 9, 2020 at 7:39 pm

    @sab: I have some very musical inlaws your mom might like. Sister in law lead singer in church choir. Her daughter has masters in flute  now working in labor department as a lawyer.

  66. 66.

    mrmoshpotato

    December 9, 2020 at 7:41 pm

    @sab: What’s fracking have to do with party COVID-19 is having in South Dakota?

  67. 67.

    Cacti

    December 9, 2020 at 7:47 pm

    Just saw on worldometers that US Covid-19 deaths for the past 24-hours are 3,156.

    And we’re only just starting the post-Thanksgiving infection spike.  :-(

  68. 68.

    Bill Arnold

    December 9, 2020 at 7:53 pm

    @Cacti:

    Just saw on worldometers that US Covid-19 deaths for the past 24-hours are 3,156.

    That’s almost 800 Benghazis per day. Hillary Clinton testified for a full day (8 hours testimony, 11 hours) for one Benghazi. Trump is racking up 2 years seven days per week,, of testimony, per day.

  69. 69.

    NotMax

    December 9, 2020 at 7:54 pm

    “I hereby proclaim a full and complete pardon for every American citizen as defined below alive at the time of the signing of this document of all and any criminal infractions, or for any actions in word or deed which might be construed as contrary to law.

    So long as they are Republicans.

    And white.”

    //

  70. 70.

    MomSense

    December 9, 2020 at 7:55 pm

    @sab:

    I will be so happy to see you in Akron. My mom was a church music director for years so it would be fun to go to church.  When she and my dad met, she was the music director at the Akron UU church.

  71. 71.

    trollhattan

    December 9, 2020 at 7:55 pm

    @Cacti:

    Our California region blew past the ICU bed minimum today and will be going on lockdown tomorrow night. The county dashboard numbers and graphs can be described as “shitshow.” This upswing started with Halloween and it appears Thanksgiving has kicked it even higher.

  72. 72.

    trollhattan

    December 9, 2020 at 7:56 pm

    @MomSense:

    Is one a music director at a UU church or a music suggestor?

  73. 73.

    NotMax

    December 9, 2020 at 7:57 pm

    @Cacti

    Two Titanics in one day.

  74. 74.

    Chyron HR

    December 9, 2020 at 7:57 pm

    @NotMax:

    “P.P.S. No fat chicks.”

  75. 75.

    NotMax

    December 9, 2020 at 8:01 pm

    @trolhattan

    “Okay then, it’s agreed. We’ll go ahead with a Black Sabbath medley. Once.”

    :)

  76. 76.

    Kattails

    December 9, 2020 at 8:03 pm

    @Bill Arnold: Yup. That’s my measuring rod as well.  If I ever hear one peep from any right-wingdings about Benghazi again–ever–(mutters threats and imprecations).

    I am “relatively” safe up here in NH, rural, reasonably sane populace. I want to just send a virtual hug to all the Juicers in places that are so much more under threat.

  77. 77.

    debbie

    December 9, 2020 at 8:06 pm

    @geg6:

    Ah, thanks. I’m gonna need a scorecard soon to keep all this stuff straight.

  78. 78.

    Kent

    December 9, 2020 at 8:09 pm

    @Kattails:@Bill Arnold: Yup. That’s my measuring rod as well.  If I ever hear one peep from any right-wingdings about Benghazi again–ever–(mutters threats and imprecations).

    Benghazi served it’s purpose.  It got Trump elected.  Remember the Benghazi Hearings are where they ‘discovered’ horror of horrors, that Hillary was doing the same thing as her predecessors (and successors) and using private email.

  79. 79.

    debbie

    December 9, 2020 at 8:10 pm

    @Baud:

    Think Trump will try to sue the Electoral College if they meet and elect Joe?

  80. 80.

    TS (the original)

    December 9, 2020 at 8:12 pm

    @dmsilev:

    So it should now be time to lock down the country, put trump into the underground bunker and not let him out until eviction day.

  81. 81.

    TS (the original)

    December 9, 2020 at 8:15 pm

    @Bill Arnold:

    One can hope there will be a pandemic inquiry into the near half million (or more) deaths on trump’s watch.

    For the millionth time – What if this had been while Obama was president.

  82. 82.

    Baud

    December 9, 2020 at 8:16 pm

    @debbie:

    Who knows? Anyone can sue anybody.   It’ll be a nuisance suit, just like all the others.

  83. 83.

    M31

    December 9, 2020 at 8:16 pm

    @debbie: Trump will wave around a certificate from Electoral College Total Landscaping saying he won.

  84. 84.

    WaterGirl

    December 9, 2020 at 8:18 pm

    @Baud: That’s a relief.  Every time I think this is over, the monster grows another head.

    I’ll give them one thing, they do not give up.  Ever.

  85. 85.

    The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion

    December 9, 2020 at 8:19 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Still am.

  86. 86.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    December 9, 2020 at 8:19 pm

    @Baud:

    I’ve always wondered, and anybody can answer this, if courts can be sued or they have some kind of immunity? I’d have to imagine they would

  87. 87.

    WaterGirl

    December 9, 2020 at 8:19 pm

    @rikyrah: That is exactly what they are saying, and it’s appalling.  Beyond appalling.  We need some new words.

  88. 88.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 9, 2020 at 8:19 pm

    BTW the world is laughing at us and watching in horror at the antics of the malign Republican clown in the WH.

  89. 89.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 9, 2020 at 8:25 pm

    From the “Melania just wants to go home” article at CNN– she’s already started shipping her stuff to Mar-A-Lago

    Kelly had previously run the White House Office of Administration and after it became clear Trump would need to prep for her life after Washington the first lady told Kelly to discreetly ask West Wing acquaintances and a member of the Office of Management and Budget whether there were taxpayer funds allocated to former first ladies, according to two sources familiar with the discussions.
    The short answer is no

    yeah the grift goes on

  90. 90.

    Another Scott

    December 9, 2020 at 8:25 pm

    In the comic up top, is that a smart sippy cup that Donnie is holding??

    1000 hours to go!!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  91. 91.

    Matt McIrvin

    December 9, 2020 at 8:28 pm

    @debbie: He already tried suing electors back in November:

    https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/nevada-gop-claim-in-lawsuit-fraud-made-trump-loss-illegitimate

  92. 92.

    Calouste

    December 9, 2020 at 8:30 pm

    I think we can safely assume that anyone trying to help the shitgibbon at this point, like those 17 Republican AG’s supporting the Texas case, is a criminal looking for a pardon.

  93. 93.

    Calouste

    December 9, 2020 at 8:31 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Courts can be sued, it’s called an appeal.

  94. 94.

    TS (the original)

    December 9, 2020 at 8:31 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    From your link

    The first lady quietly brought on Marcia Lee Kelly to her scant East Wing staff in April as a special government employee who could add gravitas and experience. She is unpaid and serves in a volunteer capacity but her job as Trump’s special adviser proved helpful as the waning months of her first-term tenure.

    The grift goes on – why do people work for the trumps for nothing???  $1M wouldn’t be enough pay to have to work with these people – and then we have

    The intel gathered by Kelly on the budget — that there isn’t one — has not deterred Trump from turning her energy to departing Washington. According to discussions with three sources familiar, there is currently ongoing inventory being taken at the White House of the Trump’s own furniture and art and personal items.

    And who might be doing this inventory? Anyone connected to  a trump & who knows what might be listed on it.

  95. 95.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    December 9, 2020 at 8:35 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    Looked up judicial immunity. Doesn’t completely protect judicial employees and judges in cases of misconduct

  96. 96.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    December 9, 2020 at 8:36 pm

    @Calouste:

    Thanks

  97. 97.

    NotMax

    December 9, 2020 at 8:41 pm

    @TS (the original)

    Obligatory?

    :)

  98. 98.

    debbie

    December 9, 2020 at 8:56 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    No words for this.

    ?

  99. 99.

    sab

    December 9, 2020 at 9:04 pm

    @debbie: Undoubtedly.

  100. 100.

    Anotherlurker

    December 9, 2020 at 9:04 pm

    @NotMax: LOL!  One of favorite bits from “The Cat”.

  101. 101.

    Kattails

    December 9, 2020 at 9:06 pm

    @WaterGirl: Someone in the previous thread mentioned the Steve Schmidt interview with Michel Martin last night, (sry forget who) so I checked it out.  Pretty much what he’s saying:  This whole thing is about deliberately poisoning democracy. That you can win a war either by overpowering your opponent or by wearing them out. This hydra aspect is wearing us out and I suspect it’s also partly responsible for the uncomfortable fights that sometimes break out around here. It’s hard to maintain equilibrium.

    I have no say in what other states are doing but would be happy to once again call my Republican governor in a blue-voting state and ask him (his office) what he has to say about this.  It sure would be helpful if the governors and AG’s of all the other states, red and blue, stood up and said out loud “WTF ARE YOU IDIOTS DOING???” Silence is tacit agreement.

  102. 102.

    different-church-lady

    December 9, 2020 at 9:11 pm

    It’s truly disconcerting to have these events reveal the frightening extent to which the basic functionality our democracy relied on the honor system.

  103. 103.

    J R in WV

    December 9, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    @MomSense:

    Here’s an insight into my bizarre upbringing. My mom (violinist) told me that I should try to date a trumpet player. “They are the best kissers in the orchestra.” Then she sort of tilted her head and said with a knowing look that “…it’s the embouchure.”

    I played Bass Horn / Sousaphone in Jr HS and High School, marching band with 55 pounds of brass on my shoulder! I think my embouchure is better than trumpet players, nor french horns either. Bass Horn takes a lot of wind, too. Won’t go any farther with this, ;-)

  104. 104.

    Kattails

    December 9, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    Just saw that 7 in 10 Republican voters no longer think elections are free and fair.  The poison is in the system.  This is Putin and his puppets.

  105. 105.

    different-church-lady

    December 9, 2020 at 9:21 pm

    It’s also pretty fuckin’ frightening that the only thing standing between democracy and a coup is… a bunch of judges Trump appointed who, nonetheless, can’t truck to his bullshit.

  106. 106.

    WaterGirl

    December 9, 2020 at 9:23 pm

    @Kattails:   Thank you. I found a link for that interview.  I’ll listen to it later.  John is not the only one who is tired!

  107. 107.

    WaterGirl

    December 9, 2020 at 9:24 pm

    @different-church-lady: Who knew democracy was built on a house of cards?  Our country was built much more on norms than any of us ever dreamed.

  108. 108.

    WaterGirl

    December 9, 2020 at 9:25 pm

    @Kattails: Just like sept 11.  They got so much more than they could have hoped for, and we did most of it to ourselves.

    They just tipped the first few dominos.

  109. 109.

    different-church-lady

    December 9, 2020 at 9:27 pm

    @WaterGirl: “The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street,” over and over again.

  110. 110.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    December 9, 2020 at 9:45 pm

    @Kattails:

    @WaterGirl:

    I remember reading something like 50% of Republican voters thought Obama cheated both times, back in 2008 and 2012 respectively

  111. 111.

    NotMax

    December 9, 2020 at 10:02 pm

    @different-church-lady

    Maple Street. Elm Street. Mulberry Street.

    We need to get rid of streets named for flora.

    :)

  112. 112.

    planetjanet

    December 9, 2020 at 10:42 pm

    @Martin: That list is missing the San Francisco earthquake of 1906 with something above 3000 deaths.

  113. 113.

    Ruckus

    December 9, 2020 at 10:47 pm

    @TS (the original):

    Just getting what they deserve for not kissing his ass.

    Which is the law according to shitforbrains…….

  114. 114.

    Just One More Canuck

    December 9, 2020 at 10:51 pm

    @NotMax: “In The Garden of Eden” by I. Ron Butterfly

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