Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Seems like a complicated subject, have you tried yelling at it?

This must be what justice looks like, not vengeful, just peaceful exuberance.

You cannot shame the shameless.

Too often we hand the biggest microphones to the cynics and the critics who delight in declaring failure.

Wake up. Grow up. Get in the fight.

Oh FFS you might as well trust a 6-year-old with a flamethrower.

There are times when telling just part of the truth is effectively a lie.

Boeing: repeatedly making the case for high speed rail.

“When somebody takes the time to draw up a playbook, they’re gonna use it.”

Those who are easily outraged are easily manipulated.

Fight them, without becoming them!

They traffic in fear. it is their only currency. if we are fearful, they are winning.

This has so much WTF written all over it that it is hard to comprehend.

Republicans don’t want a speaker to lead them; they want a hostage.

This is dead girl, live boy, a goat, two wetsuits and a dildo territory.  oh, and pink furry handcuffs.

So it was an October Surprise A Day, like an Advent calendar but for crime.

Republicans do not trust women.

Dear media: perhaps we ought to let Donald Trump speak for himself!

I did not have this on my fuck 2025 bingo card.

Someone should tell Republicans that violence is the last refuge of the incompetent, or possibly the first.

A thin legal pretext to veneer over their personal religious and political desires.

If you tweet it in all caps, that makes it true!

I have other things to bitch about but those will have to wait.

When I was faster i was always behind.

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  2. 2.

    RobertDSC-iPhone 8

    My truck needs $400 in repairs. The 600 came in handy because I don’t know what I would have done.

  3. 3.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    While we wait

    NBC: Secret Service making contingency plans in case Trump will not leave the White House on Jan 20.They will not physically remove him. Biden will govern from Blair House. The SS will cut off all utilities to the White House – water, electricity, food delivery and wait it out. pic.twitter.com/WIZpGEvKZE— Cali Dreaming NaphiSoc (@NaphiSoc) January 4, 2021

  9. 9.

    Steeplejack

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    C’mon, that is a no-name account with no credibility and no link to the supposed NBC source. Googling “Secret Service making contingency plans” gets nothing.

  12. 12.

    dmsilev

    Business leaders urge Congress to certify Biden win

    Almost 200 of the country’s top business leaders urged Congress to certify the electoral results for President-elect Joe Biden in a letter Monday, arguing that “attempts to thwart or delay this process run counter to the essential tenets of our democracy.”

    The letter marked the business community’s most significant push yet to ensure President Trump’s efforts to overturn the November election are unsuccessful. Signers included a wide array of executives of Fortune 500 companies, from the leaders of banks, airlines, investment firms, pharmaceutical companies, professional sports leagues, real estate conglomerates, top law firms and media companies.

    The partnership — the major advocacy and political influence arm for the business community in New York — counts many of the city’s top firms as its members. Among the signers included leaders of Goldman Sachs, Microsoft, Pfizer, the National Basketball Association, Mastercard, Blackstone Group, BlackRock, Lyft, Deloitte, Warby Parker, Moody’s, WeWork, Ernst & Young, JetBlue, MetLife, Condé Nast, the Carlyle Group, Hearst, American Express, Saks Fifth Avenue, Price Waterhouse Cooper and Deutsche Bank, along with 150 more.

    Others who signed include some of New York’s top private equity and real estate figures including Henry Kravis, Rob Speyer, William Rudin and Laurence Fink.

    (emphasis added)

  13. 13.

    Elizabelle

    I hope they lift Trump’s passport, and that of his adult spawn (and Jared).  Flight risks extraordinaire.

    Wonder how quickly NY State can indict on at least one or two charges; they have time to bring more later.

    Would be hilarious if it was Georgia that stopped Trump from traveling, but that’s not going to happen.

  14. 14.

    Gin & Tonic

    @dmsilev:

    Others who signed include some of New York’s top private equity and real estate figures including Henry Kravis, Rob Speyer, William Rudin and Laurence Fink.

    All of whom fervently hope that Trump stays in Palm Beach forever and never darkens Manhattan’s shores again.

  17. 17.

    Elizabelle

    Joe Biden is a peach. Love him.

    re Trump: “I don’t know why he still wants the job. He doesn’t want to do the work.”

  22. 22.

    PST

    Joe sounded great this afternoon, didn’t he? He was enthusiastic and spontaneous. Unlike Trump’s expected parade of his own grievances, Biden stuck to talking up the Democratic candidates and ripping the Republicans.

  26. 26.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Elizabelle: Wonder how quickly NY State can indict on at least one or two charges

    I wonder if they have any indictments ready to go. It wouldn’t surprise me.

  27. 27.

    debbie

    What if Trump won’t go?

    What if he sits down at the Resolute Desk and dares someone to physically remove him? What if he occupies a couch in the residence? The harm here is real, beyond how ridiculous the performance would look to the rest of the world: A functional president requires a functioning office.

    Former senior government agency heads and Secret Service detail leaders pushed to think through this scenario offered several plausible solutions. “I think I’d have a conversation with the chief of staff, and then the family, Ivanka and the other kids and say, ‘It’s going to be your job to make sure he’s gone,’” a former senior Secret Service official said.

    Another possibility: “When the staff leaves on January 19, don’t let them back into the complex the next day. He can’t do anything without his staff.”

    An isolated president, in other words, would be more susceptible to just throwing in the towel.

    “I really think it would be up the Republican Party if he were to try something like that,” a second former official said. “The Service and the military would just not want to get involved. It’s not our role.” (Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has said there is “zero” role for troops to play in the election or its aftermath.)

    A movie ending is not in the cards, either, because the Secret Service’s Presidential Protective Division (PPD) immediately transfers its resources to the incoming president on Jan. 20. In other words, there won’t be a “Biden detail” in a shooting war with the PPD because the PPD becomes the Biden detail the moment the president is inaugurated.

    And no one should worry about loyalties, either. The Secret Service’s deputy director, Leonza Newsome III, was the head of Biden’s vice-presidential detail during the Obama administration.

    But what would happen if Trump simply said no?

    “Well, I guess by law he would be a trespasser,” a former Secret Service agent said. “We’d have to escort him out.”

  28. 28.

    Comrade Colette

    @Litlebritdifrnt:  I was also going to say food bank. If that’s not a pressing need where you are, an organization that helps refugees locally probably could really use it – already-marginalized people in legally precarious situations are really hurting now.

    We are also fortunate enough not to need it, and I don’t even know if we’ll get any this time. Last time we got $600 and donated it to the local food bank immediately.

  31. 31.

    Jeffro

    @dmsilev: buncha got-damn soshulists!!! ?

    related: I am back to enjoying mercilessly needling the ever living fuck out of my RWNJ father and brother, who seem to have no response to this latest ‘perfect call’

  32. 32.

    mrmoshpotato

    11780?  11780?  Why 11780?

    (add to…)

    This fascist shitstain wanted to be declared the winner of Georgia BY ONE VOTE?

    SERIOUSLY?

    Even the attempted criming is stupid!

  43. 43.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Elizabelle: They can’t do anything until the Soviet shitpile mobster conmam loses the office of the Presidency.

    I’m sure waiting is fine with them.

  44. 44.

    artem1s

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    NBC: Secret Service making contingency plans in case Trump will not leave the White House on Jan 20.They will not physically remove him. Biden will govern from Blair House. The SS will cut off all utilities to the White House – water, electricity, food delivery and wait it out. pic.twitter.com/WIZpGEvKZE— Cali Dreaming NaphiSoc (@NaphiSoc) January 4, 2021

    I cannot even with these people anymore.  that the SS even has to think about making such a plan is shameful.

  45. 45.

    brendancalling

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Put a cage around the perimeter, with concertina wire and guard posts in case he tries to escape in the dead of night.

    Although waiting him out could be fun too. A replay of the Malheur NWR standoff, “send snacks,” followed by a slow motion car chase (but preferably taken alive for trial).

  46. 46.

    Elizabelle

    @artem1s:   I am really feeling for the DC police and Park Police and Secret Service and everyone who has to deal with the January 6th insaniacs’ arrival in DC to protest the election results.

    This while the more contagious variant of Covid is spreading.

    These Trump supporters are stupid, selfish and evil people.

  47. 47.

    The Moar You Know

    Hey, he didn’t ask for 11779½. That’s something.

    @Baud: His style would be more like 11779 and 3/5.  Because that is how the man rolls.

  48. 48.

    Baud

     

    @Elizabelle:

    Right.  That’s the only thing that worries me at the moment, aside from a middle strike somewhere.  The potential for escalation is too high.

  51. 51.

    Mike in NC

    I’m A-OK with four Secret Service agents carrying a naked Trump to the White House gates, so long as the time is announced in advance for maximum viewership. For some reason he likes “You Can’t Always Get What You Want”, and the Space Force band could be on hand to play it.

  52. 52.

    Leto

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: It’s Avalune and my 25th anniversary that day. I would say a fitting anniversary gift, but I also enjoy living :P

    @debbie:

    “We’d have to escort him out.”

    In handcuffs. Will pay extra for a video of the tasing.

  54. 54.

    Roger Moore

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    This is more or less what many of us have said all along. Occupying the White House means nothing, and it will be a lonely, awful place if they can’t get food, water, or power.  Nothing would make Trump look weaker and more pathetic than him leaving the White House on January 21st or 22nd because he can’t manage without the heat or food delivery.

  60. 60.

    Comrade Colette

    @Mike in NC:

    For some reason he likes “You Can’t Always Get What You Want”, and the Space Force band could be on hand to play it.

    Ha! Thank you, this made my day.

  66. 66.

    scav

    Put a sign reading “Zoo” over the new White House fence, plus the exact species name of the exhibit “Orangeanus loserus (infant)”.  Charge admission (and sell packets of hamburders etc to throw into the enclosure) and drive down the national debt. Place is going to need a thorough cleaning and rehab anyway.

  76. 76.

    Mike in NC

    Vanity Fair:

    “Trump’s Washington hotel is ramping up room rates and requiring a two-night minimum stay during the inauguration, an apparent attempt to capitalize on his successor’s swearing-in ceremony and anyone coming to town to witness it. Politico reports that a room running in the $400 range during most of the rest of January costs $2,225 per night for January 19 and 20.”

    Grifting to the very end, because why not?

  82. 82.

    dr. bloor

    @LuciaMia:  Talk about “Tempting the Gods” with your post-WH plans.  There is a nonzero chance that the Scots divert his flight to The Hague.

  85. 85.

    Ken

    Deny that he’s in the building, and say that he must have left without anyone noticing. After a week or so, when he’s not turned up, invite his offspring to a dinner to discuss what may have happened to him. Serve tartare and sweetbreads a la Lecter. Send them home with the rest in a large doggy bag.

  91. 91.

    Ruckus

    Watching/listening to that live appearance was something after 4 million yrs of even just knowing that shitforbrains is even in the WH, let alone having to listen to his dumb ass for more than 1/10 of a second.

    Actual, real humans will be there and be in charge. Damn.

  95. 95.

    Cameron

    @artem1s: This sounds really off to me. Why would SS or anybody else release a contingency plan, whether they had one or not? Needless stirring up of the shit storm, plus tipping one’s hand.

  96. 96.

    Elizabelle

    Fresno Bee, editorial (Devin Nunes’ major local daily):

    Does Devin Nunes deserve the Medal of Freedom given by President Trump? Facts say no

    … But facts show that far from being a hero, as Trump portrays him, Nunes has actually harmed the nation by fueling the bitter partisan divide that has splintered America’s political system.

    They address his misleading work on the intelligence committees, the fact that he does not apparently actually read the stuff that crosses his desk, which does not stop him from mischaracterizing and weaponizing it, (a fellow at the conservative Hoover Institution took him to task for that, in an article in The Atlantic, which they link) and his penchant for lawsuits he ends up dropping. (One against the Bee, for defamation.)

    They have two lovely subheads, in full caps and bolded.

    UNDESERVING OF MEDAL
    EMPTY LAWSUITS

    They suggest he actually deserves the Presidential Medal of Fealty.

    The cow is never mentioned.

  101. 101.

    laura

    @Litlebritdifrnt: give it to a struggling individual or family that you know could really use it. If you do not know anyone who is struggling financially, then a local organization like a food bank or rent assistance. They’d be so grateful and you’ll have done an immeasurable kindness.

  102. 102.

    cain

    @Baud: Although I’d prefer not to distract from Biden’s festivities.

    Distract? It’ll just add to the festivities. Nothing would more added joy than having that asshole get charged with crimes.

  103. 103.

    Elizabelle

    So:  the DC police have just arrested one of the leaders of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, once he set his little boots inside the city again.  And:  in arresting him, they found 2 high capacity ammo magazines.  I wonder if he is now in more trouble than burning a BLM banner.

    So:  he might be in custody for a while.  I hope so.

    WaPost:  The leader of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, was arrested by D.C. police late Monday afternoon on a warrant charging him with burning a Black Lives Matter banner taken from a historic Black church during a demonstration last month, officials said.

    Police stopped a vehicle Tarrio had been in shortly after it entered the District, said Dustin Sternbeck, a D.C. police spokesman. He said it is believed Tarrio, who lives in Miami, was coming into the District from the airport.

    Sternbeck said Tarrio is charged with one misdemeanor count of destruction of property in connection with the Dec. 12 burning of a banner stolen from Asbury United Methodist Church.

    Tarrio had told the Washington Post last month that he was among those who burned the banner.

    Police said Tarrio, who was in custody Monday evening, also was charged with two counts of possession of high capacity ammunition feeding devices, which is a legal term for a firearms magazine that allows guns to hold additional bullets. The devices were found during the arrest, police said.

    ….

    Authorities had described the burning of the banner as a potential hate crime. Sternbeck said it would be up to prosecutors with the U.S. attorney’s office in the District to determine whether to file hate charges, which could increase the penalty.

    Tarrio said last month in an interview with The Washington Post he would plead guilty to destruction of property, pay the church the cost of the banner and surrender to authorities if a criminal charge was filed.  [He also said]  he was not motivated by race, religion or political ideology, but because he believes the Black Lives Matter movement “has terrorized the citizens of this country.”

  105. 105.

    Comrade Colette

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: @LuciaMia:

    Like others above, my first take on this was “bullshit!” but then I reread the Jane Mayer piece in the New Yorker right after the election – the one that quoted Mary Trump about the narcissistic injury T. would suffer if he lost – and it also included this tidbit:

    It turns out that, in 2016, Trump in fact made plans to leave the United States right after the vote. … Scaramucci told me that Trump and virtually everyone in his circle had expected Hillary Clinton to win. According to Scaramucci, as he and Trump milled around Trump Tower [awaiting the returns], Trump asked him, “What are you doing tomorrow?” When Scaramucci said that he had no plans, Trump confided that he had ordered his private plane to be readied for takeoff at John F. Kennedy International Airport, so that the next morning he could fly to Scotland, to play golf at his Turnberry resort.

    … Mary Trump, like Res, suspects that her uncle is considering leaving the U.S. if he loses the election

  109. 109.

    Anya

    @Mike in NC:  Who’s going to rent his overpriced property now that he’s not president? Does he not realized folks did that before as a form of bribery? there is a new sherif in town, and the deputies, and even the hanger ons have no interest in the loser.

  110. 110.

    Elie

    @mrmoshpotato:

    I could see the process server already on site in DC waiting for 12:05 PM on 1/20.  Everybody is gonna know where Trump is — especially if he refuses to leave the Whitehouse, right?  I read upstring that the SS has a contingency for if Trump refuses to leave…

    Dude is sooooo trapped….

  111. 111.

    cain

    @Anya:

    He still the head of a cult – and the cult will obey him without question. The rest of these morons are trying to please the cult. They are fools.

  115. 115.

    rikyrah

    Trump is mad and thinking, “Y’all stole the election for Brian Kemp, how come y’all can’t steal it for me? You know how to do it.”Raffensperger is like, “We TRIED boss. We counted 4 times. We even wrongly purged 200,000 voters. We did everything we could. They out organized us.— LaTosha Brown (@MsLaToshaBrown) January 4, 2021

  118. 118.

    NotMax

    @Baud

    Object from where? The balcony? She’s not aware she’s not a member of the Senate at the moment? And may not be again, dependent on the final outcome of the Georgia runoff.

  121. 121.

    Baud

    Perdue’s first term ended Sunday. The results of the runoff won’t be certified in time for the vote on Wednesday, therefore Perdue won’t have a vote. However, Loeffler, because she is filling a seat vacated by the retirement of Sen. Jonny Isakson, will remain in office until the results of the runoff are certified by the Georgia secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger.

  125. 125.

    Mai Naem mobile

    @Comrade Colette: gawd, I kinda hope that that’s his plan now. Scotland is on lockdown and I don’t think he is going to be able to get his supporters holding rallies there because they’ll be arrested. I don’t know much about Nicola Sturgeon but we all know Orange Lump doesn’t do well with female political leaders.

  126. 126.

    Elizabelle

    @Baud:   I was afraid of that.  When no cause of death was forcoming for days, and 25 years old …

    Very sad.

  127. 127.

    ByRookorbyCrook

    Proud Boy leader arrested possessing high capacity ammunition feeders. And the Pentagon approved the National Guard to be deployed to DC for the Stop the Steal rallies. What could go wrong?

    NG approval via CNN

  129. 129.

    Mai Naem mobile

    @Baud: I had a feeling it was suicide because of the way they didn’t announce it being a physical illness. That’s just really sad. I didn’t know much about Raskin but I was really impressed with him during the impeachment . I can’t imagine being a parent having a child die.  I think COVID is pushing quite a few people with depression over the edge because of the isolation. My cousin’s widow committed suicide a couple of weeks ago.  He also committed suicide several years ago but I think his was over financial problems. Their kids are adults but really young. Really really sad situation.

  133. 133.

    ARoomWithAMoose

    The NG deployment approval by the DoD in the CNN story only covers using the D.C. National guard. Looking at their history on wikipedia they are essentially supplementing local police and federal parks services in this role. While Adam last night flagged a potential issue if other states had hand picked NG deployed, this seems to be fairly routine for large D.C. “protest events”.

    “The Pentagon on Monday reportedly approved the deployment of D.C. National Guard forces to the nation’s capital this week for pro-Trump protests centered around the certification of Joe Biden’s victory.”

  135. 135.

    WaterGirl

    I just finished listening to Raphael Warnock at the rally this afternoon.  Wow.

    They are calling me everything but a child of god, but my daddy (or mama?) taught me that it’s not what they call you, it’s what you answer to, and on Thursday, I’ll be answering to Senator Warnock.

    (paraphrase from memory)

    I love that he called Jon Ossoff his brother.  I so very much want them both to win these seats.  Not just because Loeffler and Perdue are awful and corrupt, but because I believe both Ossoff and Warnock are good men who can be great senators

    Now I’m off to listen to Jon Ossoff.

  139. 139.

    ByRookorbyCrook

    @WaterGirl: We do need them in the Senate. We need more good people in elected positions. The Reagan sneer of the Government being the problem let our expectations diminish as a nation. Government is good, if it is a government by the People, For the People, and Of the People. Ossoff and Warnock are citizens who will do that.

  140. 140.

    ballerat

    @mrmoshpotato: I think it was to create a snowball effect for the other election stealing operations in AZ, WI etc.

    It’s a rolling coup trying to build a critical mass of manufactured legitimacy and supporters willing to commit violence for their belief in that “legitimacy”.

  142. 142.

    Mai Naem mobile

    I am kind of liking the idea of Stacey Abrams for AG. The only problem is that as a Dem I have to think of relevant experience instead of whoever would look good.  She doesn’t seem to have prosecutorial experience which would be badly needed if you want some legit successful prosecutions of Trumpers. I still would like to see the exploding heads of Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz and Ron Johnson.

  143. 143.

    Mai Naem mobile

    @Patricia Kayden: I am pretty sure its too late for them to pass these rules. IIRC, Biden has a look back of either 3 months or 6 months on rules to reverse them. Remember they did that with Obama’s management OT rules and Elaine Chao got some safety  trucking stuff rolled back that was passed towards the end of the Obama admin. The bigger issue is going to be getting rid of the political Trumpers who’ve been hired in civil service positions with civil service protections.

  144. 144.

    Annie

    @Litlebritdifrnt:

    I’m going to give mine to a relative who’s self employed and whose business tanked In this mess.  I’ve been able to work at home and get my normal salary so I don’t need it.

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