I would be fucking seething. Just fucking livid.
After watching years of peaceful protestors being beaten with batons, shoved, pushed, tazed, teargassed, pepper sprayed, hit by cruisers, run over by horses, punched, kicked, and shot for having the AUDACITY to say “Please stop shooting us,” to watch the Cletus brigade storm the Capitol with guns and flags and IED’s and not a fucking hint of even the mildest pepper spray deployed, I would be LOSING MY SHIT. And they don’t even have a righteous cause- they’re there because their candidate got rejected by an overwhelming majority.
This is white supremacy. This is systemic racism. This is white privilege. And if you can not see that, you just don’t want to.
These choads are everyplace today. Nice series pf pics https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9119837/Georgia-Secretary-State-Brad-Raffensperger-evacuated-MAGA-fans-surround-office.html
Amen. Let’s say it louder for the assholes in the back.
All of this. Fuckem.
That is such a chilling image.
I’ve now seen video of the Capitol police removing a barricade to let people into the building. Whoever made the decision to let that happen needs to be fired immediately.
“Some people think the people who voted for Trump are racists and sexists and homophobes and deplorable folks. I don’t agree, because I’ve been there.” – Sen. Bernard Sanders (I-VT)
Carrying a traitor’s flag in an occupation of the Capitol ought to be prosecuted as treason. Throw these fuckers into an oubliette.
The Moar You Know
If I were a black man in America today, I’d have my entire family in the basement and a loaded shotgun in my hands. And I would be out of my fucking mind with fear. I’d be angry later.
The shot rioter died according to local DC news
There was more than one?
They are there precisely because they don’t have a righteous cause. They stormed Congress because the only way they can win is through cheating and violence, because their ideas and policies are indecent and unpopular. Like their idol, they are just losers and bullies, and too many Americans – including evidently many Capitol Police today – agree with and admire them.
As a POC, I had been thinking there was good chance of being shot while protesting or just going about my business if Trump had been re-elected. (As a short, middle aged brown woman, I’ve already seen the business end of a gun wielded by a cop in oh-so-liberal MA while just going about my business in broad fucking daylight.) I did not think that I would be witnessing what is happening today and thinking to myself that I need to finish updating my will since it looks like this shit is going to go on.
@Baud: sorry. Singular
I’m a privileged white male and I’m absolutely fucking livid with these people. I have a black friend in the DC National Guard and they’re calling him out again tonight. I cannot IMAGINE what it’s like for him, he was at the Lafayette Square incident and I’m just amazed that he can stay professional and calm and go out there again.
Someone on twitter had a picture of some idiot raving in the Speaker’s dais with the comment: “that this guy even is alive to stand there is all you need to know about white privilege.”
@The Moar You Know: No, you get angry first. Fear comes when you have time and space for it and the people you love aren’t in danger.
Trump to rioters: “We love you. We love you.”
He urged them to go home only to protect themselves and law enforcement.
Was listening to NPR in the car when the Trump video arrived, and they cut it off once they realized it was more lies about his stolen election.
None of the asshats at NPR had much of anything to say about Trump’s remarks, either. (I was in and out of the car; could have missed it if they did.)
I’m with ya, Cole.
I tried for years to balance what was good vs. bad about cops. That was an early casualty of seeing police brutality against black protestors.
Today’s events just put a sprig of parsley behind the pig’s ear.
They’re all bad until proven otherwise.
Not black but a naturalized citizen, enraged does not begin to describe how I am feeling right now.
Dorothy A. Winsor
The South done Rose again and it’s gonna take 20 flushes to get them back down the drain.
This is all the fault of the Dems for winning yesterdays elections.
Claire McKaskill says she heard clearing the building will take a a couple of hours.
@Patricia Kayden: If that’s the standard, they’ve got a lot more work to do.
Has cable played Trump’s remarks much?
He retains the ability to shock me.
I missed Pres-Elect Biden’s remarks.
As a longtime lurker who isn’t currently drunk because of this insane reality, I sincerely applaud your sobriety right now.
@Baud: Unrealistically optimistic. Cleared of people maaaaybe, but IEDs? Covid?
@Dorothy A. Winsor: What will Ivanka say? Maybe that she died a martyr. Our very own Joan of Arc.
There’s no need to be black or a man to be seething.
@The Moar You Know: No Black Man I know/read today — including myself — is feeling that level of fear.
Or rage, for that matter.
That’s because we already know all this, by and large. BLM was all about this.
Now, bluntly, my White friends are terrified, also by and large. But for Black folx? This kind of stunt — and how the cops have responded — is literally backed into our calculations on life, in America. That rage is part and parcel of our everyday, y’all.
We’re not hiding, ’cause too many of us know it just makes it easier for the Slave Patrols, or the Klanners, or the Cops, to come find your Black ass and shoot it, or throw it in jail.
So we just shake our heads, work to vote the fuckers out like we just did in GA, and otherwise keep living our lives. We work to manage our emotions — not always well — because we know what happens when we set it off, unlike our White opposition.
I recommend a lot of you work to do similar. Living in fear ain’t no way to go.
@Punchy: It’s all the fault of Black people for voting.
@Randolf Hurts: I think getting drunk right now tonight would be a really really bad tactical move, whether here near DC or anywhere in the US.
@Randolf Hurts: i meant to say is. today was rough.
@Lt. Condition: Nicolle Wallace said someone took down the American flag and put up a Trump flag, OVER THE CAPITOL.
@Woodrow/asim: Thank you.
@Woodrow/asim: I’m a Black woman and truth be told, I am shook. My fear is that these thugs will come back and pull this stunt again and kill a Congress person. The fact that cops treated them with kid gloves may just embolden them,
@Dorothy A. Winsor: I may not rejoice, but I’m damn sure not going to mourn.
Just Some Fuckhead
According to Ted Cruz, today’s failed coup was because of Democrats somehow.
Amen. But the voting is over. Having my suspicions about the police blatantly confirmed is rage-inducing, and it’s not going to stop unless a large enough bloc of people take action.
I don’t know what that action is, to remake the very concept of what police are for.
@Woodrow/asim Thank you for the truth telling.
fuq u George W. Bush…NOW ya got shit to say! And ya still can’t call Chump by name!
How long before we know if any members of Congress or their staff were physically harmed?
The Capitol Police Chief should be preparing his resignation letter now.
John you are more eloquent and use more words than I do. I have been stuck at saying you fuckers all day.
For connoisseurs of schadenfreude, I present Marc Thiessen.
Hear, fucking hear.
Villago Delenda Est
I’m a white man in America, and I’m fuckin’ livid. I swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic. These are those enemies right now, and they’re getting away with it because of the color of their skin.
@Patricia Kayden: Yep, that’s exactly what’s going to happen if the people in power don’t drop a hammer on these mutts now.
If a curfew is in effect, why the fuck are all these people still on the streets and not being arrested????
They think they are all safe, but we probably won’t known for sure until it’s all over.
@lamh36: Since the election!?!?
Villago Delenda Est
@MattF: Thiessen can go fuck one of Devin Nunes’ cows. Another reactionary crybaby heard from. Someone change his motherfuckin’ diapers.
Apparently there are 300 plus reps and aides hunkered together at a non disclosed location. Some junior members, pretty sure that means Marjorie Greene, refuse to wear a mask. Fine if some don’t want to wear a mask, put them out in front of the Capitol.
@JPL: She deleted a Tweet that called the rioters patriots.I assume before they stormed the Capitol building but I may be giving her too much credit.
Again, for the squillionth time:
We got where we are by letting people off the hook.
And now Trumpov is tweeting further shit, inciting/riling up the insurrectionists even more. When the fuck does Twitter take down his account. Holy fuck.
Villago Delenda Est
@Frank Wilhoit: There must be a reckoning, and it must involve jail time and asset forfeiture.
I’m reasonably confident we would have heard by now if any member of Congress had been seriously hurt. Some of them were probably scraped and bumped but not enough to be worth reporting.
Just Some Fuckhead
Is Trump’s basic argument here Dolchstoßlegenden?
Better allocate a LOT of money for the special prosecutor that Merrick Garland will appoint on Day 1 to look into this and related incidents. It’s going to take a small army to sort it all out, then prosecute all these momzers (ESPECIALLY the ones in office)
West of the Rockies
Thousands of screaming, unmasked morons in tight quarters huffing and hollering in each other’s faces… during a C19 spike. Well done, you racist, privileged pigs.*
*No offense to pigs intended.
@Frank Wilhoit: You’d think people would have learned in middle school: you have to stand up to, and sometimes thump the hell out of, bullies to get them to stop. Otherwise they are just emboldened.
Oh yeah I’m seething.
If every single person he unlawfully broke into the capitol building is charged with a felony I’ll feel better about this.
I hope someone somewhere got a screenshot before it was deleted.
25th Amendment territory.
No way that Trump can remain as POTUS or CIC.
White & Gold Purgatorian
Heck, I’m a white female and I’m seething. I had CSPAN on earlier and couldn’t tell if they are arresting these vandals or just shooing them gently out the door. WTF! Those are not peaceful protesters exercising their rights. They need to be arrested, jailed, prosecuted and given the maximum sentence to be served in the most unpleasant conditions available. Otherwise they’ll come back next time, worse.
Trump is again tweeting that the seditionists are great people and are justified in their actions.
@KSinMA: Yeah, BTW, this. It is not permissible to exalt any one class of victims above other classes of victims. Reagan painted a target on my back too, but that doesn’t make me special. The target groups are always totally fungible. Until you get that, nothing that you see or hear will make any sense.
Is the dead woman a rioter or a staffer/passerby?
@Woodrow/asim: Thanks for this. It’s great. (Sad, but great.)
Mike in NC
It was nauseating to see all the MAGAts with their Tea Party flags and fucking Trump hats and Confederate bullshit. So what does Fat Bastard have planned for an encore?
Watching this from New Zealand. never thought I would ever see this from the US. Collectively, we shake our heads at a once-great country. Shining City On A Hill no more.
@Elizabelle: She was an insurrectionist.
Seeing GOP reps asking all of us to calm down and thinking of these rioters feelings has me remembering the number two guy in the House in 2005, Tom Delay, telling us how Democrats saw the savagery of 9/11 and wanted to coddle the terrorists.
@Villago Delenda Est: this. this right here. The past 10 years BJ has helped expand my overall view into systemic racism and what POC go through in every day life. I know what this country is, and I’m still so fucking livid. It’s 156 years past time to fucking destroy these fucks. Hammer and fucking tongs. Rage. Just non-stop rage.
That should say outgoing president.
Jumping to the conclusion she was a member of the mob is premature. May have been a staffer. Or a tour guide. Or a janitor. Or a cafeteria worker.
@Elizabelle: @Martin: this.
Just Some Fuckhead
Is this a good time to talk about white economic anxiety?
@Just Some Fuckhead: As long as we get to talk about Infrastructure Week next.
@Leto: I want to buy popcorn for his execution. I want Mr. Crosby tried and executed.
The blot heard ’round the world.
@germy: Impeach him again, tonight, before he can pardon these domestic terrorists.
I hope Pelosi and Schumer are in communication somehow with Romney right now to see if he can whip together enough Republicans who may have decided at long last to be patriots. He would only need 40% of them. The pressure on GOP Senators to do the right thing will never be higher, although I’m sure I’m delusional to think that outside of Sasse and a couple others there are enough of them who’ve finally noticed the tiger they’ve been riding the last 4 years is now clawing out their eyes.
Joy Reid delivering right now.
That fucking fucker. My local paper runs Thiessen, ironically I can only hope, and the last column was the ten best things Trump did in 2020. Rusty chainsaw.
Joy Reid talking right now how white Americans aren’t afraid of the cops. And it showed today. They’re not afraid because white Americans feel they own the cops, and the cops repay that. Contrasting that to how BLM protests are handled.
No lies told.
@Just Some Fuckhead: Let’s debate what a poor choice Joe Biden was. You wouldn’t see us storming the capitol to keep him in charge. No siree. The Democrats have let us down again.
The Moar You Know
@Woodrow/asim: Thank you for that. I’m not black, so I just wouldn’t know.
in positing that the Capitol Police were rather “sedate” in their response to what was going down, I have to now wonder if they were told to do so… considering we have roughly 140 GOP members of Congress and 12 GOP Senators calling into question the legality of the election itself, would we be shocked/surprised/disgusted to find out that they were told to not do anything special for the occasion and to expect people protesting the event to be around and allow them to “express their concerns”…. Not saying that there couldn’t have been very sympathetic characters within their ranks (as noted by the selfies), just wondering if there was word passed down by certain influential members… to lets see what happens…
Now Joy talking about how Josh Hawley and Cruz are fundraising off this, and why the fuck aren’t they being forced to resign; traitorous scum. Helping to incite this. Now calling out Yurtle and Fox News. She’s naming all the names.
Thank you. You always hit the nail on the head.
I guarantee you that no members of congress thought the Capitol Building would be stormed, or approved of it. Republican congressmen are piss-their-pants cowards.
The Moar You Know
@Just Some Fuckhead: yeah and he’s been pretty explicit about that.
Yes, that was epic.
DC Police are walking folks back. They must have left their batons at home.
I want to adopt Joy Reid.
YES!!!!! @JoyAnnReid Preaching the word right now on MSNBC. She had her white colleagues stunned in silence!! THANK YOU JOY ANN!!!!
Well, it will be easy enough to track him down, now that he’s given his name and where he lives.
Sitting here with my wife, watching MSNBC, and just heard Joy Reid say that had this been a BLM protest, people would be shackled, arrested, and dead. That should make me angry–and I am angry–but I’m also completely unsurprised, and so very, very, tired. None of this had to happen.
@Patricia Kayden: 44 transitions that went peacefully, not 45. There was that one in 1861…
@lamh36: She spoke no lies.
“These thugs aren’t running us off.”
I’m liking him more and more.
Gin & Tonic
@bluefoot: I often think about Ken McElroy and his neighbors in Skidmore, MO. Terrorized them for years until one day, in broad daylight on Main St, he was shot dead.
Oddly, nobody saw a thing.
It’s illegal in Germany to display Nazi symbols and the Confederate flag is used as a substitute by German neonazis. I’m watching to see if they start displaying Trump flags, too.
@Patricia Kayden: 44 transitions went peacefully, not 45. There was that one in 1861…
@Punchy: There’s no end of Trump supporters claiming this was secretly Antifa and why are you all sheeeeeeeep?
They’re working hard on blame shifting. And some of them believe it.
Omar should be able to get the bill of impeachment written up in time for the Senate to get the trial over by tonight and kick Trump out. McConnell should be talking with House to get that done, or his name goes down in even more infamy than it does already.
I’ve heard talk that some in Congress are asking for a quick 25th amendment procedure. OK with me, need to two track this and get the criminal president out asap.
@Frankensteinbeck: don’t disagree, but remember, these guys have NEVER thought that any of this shit could ever apply to them. You know, maybe they would have been happy with just a noisy demonstration to prove their point and roll on….
They’ve been riding the tiger for so long I find it easy to believe that they could have felt that they were “untouchable” because they’re in the GOP.
On a bummer tangent, I was hoping that if things were to calm down enough, Kay might come back to the comments section. But no. Not only do these fuckwits have to ruin my birthday, and prevent me from savoring the fact that the Democrats showed up in Georgia yesterday, they’ve probably put off the day where its calm enough for Kay to join us again.
Every Dem I’ve seen on TV is equally resolute.
Just Some Fuckhead
@lamh36: Joy Reid is the only person on television who has ever represented my political worldview. I feel seen.
Thank You for saying this. I am so very sorry that it is so very true.
My opinion is that this is not a few white boys being white boys. They are in too many places at the same time and the ones doing this shit are not smart enough to accomplish this much coordination. There is a ring leader. S. Miller comes to mind.
If that’s one of the Koch brothers he is responsible for this monster. He helped create it to get him his less regulation and tax cuts.
That fellow who’s celebrating his heritage, not hate, looks like he has a great deal of economic anxiety.
He needs a hug, most likely.
-The librul media
Joy Reid was fucking awesome. Now Gallego’s not pulling any punches either. I feel so much better hearing some truth spoken when earlier today the networks bent themselves into knots to not talk about white privilege and the abject failure of the cops.
Seriously, why the fuck are these traitors still on the streets? What the fuck are the police doing?
And that is very possible. On some level, they clearly were aiming for exactly that. Let Trump bring on a huge rally so they can posture about how much they hate libtards. But if anyone in congress was involved in the capitol police’s failures, it was not to the extent that they thought rioters would be allowed into the building.
First time I’ve watched MSNBC. Holy smokes! Joy Reid is just nailing it.
The face of American exceptionalism.
// // //
@lamh36: So much this. 7pm must watch tv.
Congressman Ruben Gallego (AZ) laying out the truth bombs too. I really like him. Plain spoken Marine.
Mitt Romney’s balls finally dropped I guess.
@jl: Someone needs to whisper in Pence’s ear that invoking the 25th and a peaceful transition will get him a glowing entry in future history books. But don’t mention that VPs don’t get Secret Service protection for life.
Just Some Fuckhead
@Frankensteinbeck: That doesn’t seem to be the take of one of the insurrectionists interviewed. She told television reporters she was teargassed when she got one foot inside the Capitol. She said they were storming the Capitol and that it was a revolution. That’s pretty far removed from a noisy demonstration.
They don’t need coordination. This was their last chance. I suspect a lot of them right now think they succeeded and will be damned shocked when congress certifies Biden’s win elsewhere. But they have an ongoing mythology that left two options, ‘congress is stopped from certifying on the 6th’ and ‘Trump declares martial law’, and I don’t think many believed the latter. They have been watching every other of what they were sure were their safety nets failed. Today, specifically, and this meeting by congress, have been dominating their thoughts and anger and desperation. Then Trump told them to come to DC so he could tell them exactly all this, that this was it, their last chance to overturn the election. There are probably small groups who had their own individual plans, but overall? Nothing more than I described is needed.
EDIT – @Just Some Fuckhead:
We must be miscommunicating. I am describing what the Republicans in congress who have been nodding and winking would be willing to encourage and probably expected would be the result of Trump’s rally. Not what the rioters think.
Well it’s 6:30, I’m sure the curfew will be enforced in 3, 2, … uhhh… uhhhh…
As they should be. They should be making it clear that they won’t be intimidated. (And I do take grim amusement in how the Republicans seem to be the ones who are shaken by this, but I’m pretty sure they didn’t think the panthers would eat their faces.)
@Just Some Fuckhead:
One more who’s given the prosecutors all the evidence they need for a conviction.
There’s video of law enforcement taking selfies with the insurrectionists inside the Capitol. Couple this with the soft treatment and lack of arrests by law enforcement shows the need for an investigation. Compared to how the feds treated people in Portland and how protestors were treated this summer when trump walked to St. John’s is unbelievable. As I write this these trumpers are still walking around Wash DC even though there’s a 12 hour curfew in place.
@cliosfanboy: Good riddance
A rioter. She was in a group caught on MSNBC trying to break through the windows of the Capitol when a gun went off and she got shot through the neck. It is unclear whether the shot came from a rioter or from inside. Here is the narrated video
Just Some Fuckhead
@randy khan: We’ll see. They just let her and the rest of them walk away or mill around. I’m pessimistic there will be any accountability.
MAGAts beating the shit out of counter protesters and random by passers in LA:
Just Some Fuckhead
@Frankensteinbeck: Probably my failure. It was hard tracing the thought process over multiple comments.
Maddow reporting on NBC right now that Pelosi plans to reconvene tonight and finish. She is reading a Pelosi statement that is very eloquent.
Text of Pelosi’s just released statement: https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/1621-0
I am not a black man, but I am absolutely enraged. The Capitol Police LET THEM IN THE BUILDING.
@Woodrow/asim: Agreed at least from the vantage point of a gay man who lived in the Midwest pre Stonewall, and because most of our neighbors are black. It’s disturbing but not shocking. The level.of violence that’s just beneath the surface of half of Americans is simply being revealed. Bringing these monsters to justice will be fraught.
25th Amendment is clunky and time consuming at best. V.P. and majority majority of the cabinet must assent and transmit the appropriate letter to Congress. Which can be initially undone by the transmission of a letter from the president saying “Nah, I’m okay.” After that the V.P. and cabinet must repeat the procedure within four days and both chambers of Congress must uphold it by a 2/3 vote within 21 days after that.
@Kent: I read from that that the House is going to impeach tonight.
@NotMax: Probably not…she was wearing a trump flag as a cape…
@Calouste: I don’t quite get that, but I definitely think they’re moving in that direction.
Can’t say that without taking action.
@NotMax: Nope, she was a rioter. Shot while trying to break through the door of the Capitol It was caught on camera https://twitter.com/LA49erFan/status/1346953478401265669?s=20
Instead of “never seen this before,” today’s exhibition should be treated as one more illustration of the destruction of federal property, threats and crimes that the Trumps and their supporting gov’t officials and businesses specialize in. On a continuum with the Bundy family. It makes me fear for the safety of BLM employees and low level state workers, CDC workers, …
Sister Golden Bear
@Kent: Sucks to be her.
Yeah, the last four years have made me a worse person.
@Sister Golden Bear: yup.
@MCA1: They still need 2/3 of the senate. B/c Warnock and Ossoff have not been sworn in, you need 2/3 of 98, which is 65, so 17 Republicans in addition to the 48 Democrats. I don’t think it’s going to happen.
Meanwhile while no one is noticing, Ossoff’s winning margin has gone up to 32,883 (0.74%) and Warnock’s margin has gone up to 68,043 (1.6%) . Both well above the 0.5% margin that allows for a recount or challenge.
If you are going to have to depend on Republicans to do the right thing, the 25th Amendment is the way to go, not another impeachment.
I have only a small tepid defense do the capital police. These MAGA patriot proud boy type idiots have been running their mouths and not doing much for quite awhile. Sometimes they do carry through, but their have been a lot more fizzles and duds. Trump likes big rallies. He has been urging all kinds of violence the last 5 years. Mostly we got 50people with flags when they claimed to expect a million. There has been threatening on line chatter the whole time too And experts warning about it. I wonder if there was some “cry wolf” thinking involved in the planning.
Now video showing law enforcement posing for pictures is another matter and likely should result in some firings.
i know that the DC over reaction to BLM protests came from Trump giving orders and when this time he wasn’t opposed….lower level authorities didn’t step up. Having a thug for a President is a problem.
i want these traitors to get fair trials, jail and ostracized for life.
Mike in NC
@MattF: Thanks. I almost want to light a cigarette after reading that.
Yes, this is what I’ve learned as well while dating a black woman. Perseverance. It’s something you live with every day. This is hard to imagine for many of us including Indians who live here.
@bluefoot: I know this is wicked late and you’re likely way past this thread, but fwiw I am praying* that this brazen attack will help everyone*2 not fully brainwashed see the disgusting and deadly double standards…
*that fuels my calling and donating, too, don’t doubt it!
*2 everyone especially other white people, speaking as one
What the ever living fuck is this about. Anyone know? Was he caucusing with the Democrats and a Pelosi supporter?
@Lyrebird: thanks. I’m hoping thing will get better. I hope all those people who have been saying “this is not America” now realize this is indeed partly who we are and the only way to make it better is to constantly work for it. And this – this insurrection – is the cost of denial and complacency.
@Kent: State rep, not federal. He’s a loon.
Roger Stone. Probably with Miller’s help.
I’m so white I glow—except right now, when I’m so red with rage that I barely can stand it. It makes me crazy with frustration that there simply are no consequences for this sort of depraved, egregious behavior on any level. I feel helpless and hopeless, and I’m not certain whether I’ll be able to sleep tonight.
Villago Delenda Est
@Haroldo: Not any more he’s not. He’s been suspended for the next 12 hours or so and put on notice that if he doesn’t cut this shit out, it’s permanent.
You and me both, John. You and me both. God, I’m so sick of these people. What kind of “patriot” invades the Capitol carrying a fkg Confederate flag?
Couldn’t have said it better. Going to use “Cletus Brigade” for the next few weeks at work!