Do you know this man?
Yesterday, some of the extremist insurrectionists that Trump had mobilized to overthrow the US Congress, the Constitution, and the constitutional order, had the goal of taking the Vice President, the Senate and House leadership, and other members of the Senate and the House and their staff hostage to either coerce them by the threat of force or the application of actual force to overthrow the results of the 2020 presidential election and reinstall Trump as president.
I heard at least 3 different rioters at the Capitol say that they hoped to find Vice President Mike Pence and execute him by hanging him from a Capitol Hill tree as a traitor. It was a common line being repeated. Many more were just talking about how the VP should be executed. https://t.co/fxHREouEWF
— Jim Bourg (@jimbourg) January 8, 2021
That’s what this guy was up to:
WOW: Was there a plan to take hostages? This man is carrying police-style zip-tie handcuffs. And mace(?) pic.twitter.com/np3i1pUc6n
— John Scott-Railton (@jsrailton) January 7, 2021
Neck Gaiter pulled way up over his nose to obscure his face and make it hard to identify him? Check. Black Rifle Coffee Company Ball Cap pulled way down to obscure his face and make it hard to identify him? Check. Tennessee Blue Line Flag patch? Check. Punisher skull superimposed on the American Flag patch? Check. Flex cuffs? Check. Micro-compact semi-automatic pistol or small taser? Check. Replacement magazines in the pouches on the left side of his plate carrier? Check. Mace in the pouch on the right side of his plate carrier? Check. Smartphone in the middle of his plate carrier streaming his involvement in the attempt to overthrow the Congress of the United States, the US Constitution, and the constitutional order? Check!
Well Bloomberg’s tech reporter William Turton got him on video at the Grand Hyatt DC with his mask off:
Pretty chill vibe here in this hotel lobby, as Trump supporters decompress from today’s events. All are violating local mask rules, despite multiple massive signs about the mask rule. pic.twitter.com/R98rwGDgaD
— William Turton (@WilliamTurton) January 7, 2021
Here he is sitting in the same spot in the hotel lobby, talking how how "antifa" (I'm guessing he means me) filmed him https://t.co/lzyHtqbpAN
— William Turton (@WilliamTurton) January 9, 2021
Some intrepid folks made stills:
A few more angles pic.twitter.com/bhPnH3yYsE
— Robert Arthur (@jaunte) January 9, 2021
Here he is on video entering the Capitol with the seeming blessing of the Capitol Police:
Here is another photo of the zip-tie guy and the woman he accompanied up the stairs to the rotunda. pic.twitter.com/WTbdsiE4YV
— The Sparrow Project (@sparrowmedia) January 8, 2021
If you know who this domestic terrorist is, the FBI would like to know:
Details:
The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s (FBI) Washington Field Office is seeking the public’s assistance in identifying individuals who made unlawful entry into the United States Capitol Building on January 6, 2021, in Washington, D.C.
Submit a Tip:
Anyone with information regarding these individuals, or anyone who witnessed any unlawful violent actions at the Capitol or near the area, is asked to contact the FBI’s Toll-Free Tipline at 1-800-CALL-FBI (1-800-225-5324) to verbally report tips. You may also submit any information, photos, or videos that could be relevant online at fbi.gov/USCapitol. You may also contact your local FBI office or the nearest American Embassy or Consulate.Field Office: Washington D.C.
Open thread!
On The Road After Dark – Steve from Mendocino – Paris 5/10
dlwchico
https://twitter.com/OpossumPress/status/1347745734200881152
zhena gogolia
Wow, this is making my heart pound.
I hope to God they will figure all this out before 1/20 and BE PREPARED.
Adam L Silverman
@dlwchico: I’m not 100% sure, so I pulled the update.
lamh36
So Chump was jumping from acct to acct on Twitter and getting banned at each.
Just so stupid.
Like doesn’t he have Faux News on speed dial? If he wanted to get a word out Faux News would be there for him in a damn heartbeat. Unless TPTB at Fox told their players…NO CALLS, NO VIDEOS.
Even then, correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t they have a whole communications net at WH? on
Like don’t he have a whole azz briefing room?
Medicine Man
Bon Chasse FBI, bon chasse
chopper
he’s a fucking bartender, of course. probably just cashed another 600 dollar gubbermint check
Wapiti
Find the woman, I bet you find him that way.
debbie
Somewhat tangentially related, there’s plenty of sleuthing about the funders for the rally in this thread:
ETA: And who’s footing the tab for the hotel rooms?
Kent
Well, that didn’t take long. Twitter has him nailed dead to rights.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Wapiti: Cherchez la femme!
Mallard Filmore
When I saw that guy all dressed up, equipment in all the right pockets, I thought he was a professional Ninja killer … but my God he’s just a Bozo. Yapping at his admirers back at the hotel.
Adam L Silverman
@debbie: Among others it was the Republican Attorneys General Association. Which is funded by the Kochs, the DeVoses, and two groups in Leonard Leo’s dark money network.
Adam L Silverman
@debbie:
Adam L Silverman
@Kent: I’m not 100% sure, so I pulled the update I quickly added.
cope
@Adam L Silverman: Thanks for explaining that, I thought I was going crazy because when I refreshed and scrolled back up to read his ID again (the Doc Ford’s Rum Bar and Grill reference hit a resonate nerve as I’ve been to the one on Sanibel), it was…whooosh…gone.
debbie
@Adam L Silverman:
Also a Republican women’s group. Also Ginny Thomas. A whole mess of funders.
scott (the other one)
@lamh36: Matt Yglesias brought that very point up earlier, and it’s a really good one: why isn’t he calling in to Fox? Is he and they’re not putting him through? Or is there a reason he’s not even calling?
HumboldtBlue
Adam, do you have any sense of how effective these investigations are going to be? It’s really hard to be trustful of LE these days but these traitors killed a cop, I can’t see them letting that go.
And if you need a palate cleanser, Elizabeth from Knoxville Take Two will make you smile.
Lyrebird
@dlwchico: WOW that’s fast.
And thank heaven. And all the Twitter detectives.
Not sure what else to say. I am one of the people who has been being told this whole time that I was too negative… grrr.
At least the anti maskers are helping LEOs find them by showing their faces!
Adam L Silverman
@cope: You’re welcome. I want him IDed. It’s probably the same guy, but the ball cap makes it hard to be 100% sure. Not trying to just doxxx some schmo who wasn’t there.
scott (the other one)
@debbie: If there were any way to legally and ethically tie the Kochs and Ginny Thomas to the insurrection…oh my…I very much doubt it, but a boy can dream…
dmsilev
Is there a betting pool yet on how many Twitter accounts Trump will burn through over the next week and a half, He’s clocked up four or five bans already.
Mary G
Twitter detectives are pretty good, and those are excellent quality. Not like the grainy smudges you used to see from bank and gas station video. What an idiot. Can’t they do face recognition?
ETA O/T: Woah:
karen marie
Oh, my sainted aunt!
When it rains, it fucking POURS!
lamh36
@scott (the other one): I suspect Fox sees there is no way to really get out of this and TPTB are already in deep shit cause of the Dominion stuff. I’d guess too they don’t want anymore lawsuits now that Chump is going out of power and they wont’ have a WH admin to cover for them
lamh36
Reposting here:
Adam L Silverman
@HumboldtBlue: The professional career folks at DOJ, FBI, and DC’s Metro PD are doing them. None of them are happy about what went down, makes them look like unprofessional schmucks. Especially with more and more evidence emerging that off duty cops and military were among the insurrectionists and that some of the Capitol Police aided and abetted.
And, of course, a Federal cop is dead. So…
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@lamh36: I think he thinks twitter is his super power, like Thor’s hammer, or Wonder Woman’s lasso
The Limper
He still has his facebook page up. He livestreamed when he was walking towards the Capitol.
https://www.facebook.com/eric.munchel.50
Mike in NC
Most of these losers will post riot selfies on Facebook or another social media platform. Self-incrimination.
Martin
I have an odd feeling Gen. Flynn might be able to put a name to him.
Kent
I think he is still butt hurt at Fox because they called AZ for Biden early, and he has aspirations of building his own media empire so wants to starve them of oxygen.
But oops. Without Fox, who do you call into?
WeimarGerman
I just heard on CNN that he was seen extracting the flex cuffs from a storage container inside the chamber just before that video was taken. This is not to diminish any of the other crimes he committed. The same story on CNN had audio of the mob shouting to hang the VP.
It seems the Capitol police stores the cuffs there to remove protestors from the gallery.
sanjeevs
Glad he’s a bozo and not one of Erik Prince’s.
But watching dozens of Capitol Police waving them through – fuck
Kent
Remember folks, They are all deep-cover ANTIFA operatives so no one on the right should care if the DOJ comes down on them like a load of bricks. I know that because Tucker Carlson told me.
Mary G
Hometown papers are mad:
Kent
The White House does have a web page where he can post press releases and policy statements like a normal president. No one can take that from him. He’s the boss of that. https://www.whitehouse.gov/
Martin
@Adam L Silverman: Sedition conspiracy charges for all of them.
Sorry your worries from a bit back are coming to pass. This doesn’t feel like its over.
The breadth and timing of the various account bans suggests to me that someone at the FBI is making some calls and sharing a new sense of urgency.
Adam L Silverman
@lamh36: That’s very polite and considerate of him.//
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: He’s gonna nuke San Francisco because Twitter’s HQ is there.
marcopolo
This is the twitter thread I was looking at over the last hour/hour and a half in regards to IDing him:
I think they pulled some of the photos where he is shown with Don Jr at Blackrifle Coffee and other photos of him with his mom both on Jan 6 (as he stands outside with and then walks into the capitol building with her) and just a reg candid photo of them together.
Adam L Silverman
@The Limper: I don’t have a Facebook account so can’t access it.
HumboldtBlue
@lamh36:
I just got done reading that story.
These fucking traitors.
@Adam L Silverman:
The number of police departments reporting that officers participated is really disturbing primarily because it’s not surprising. I suspect the military knows how to handle their members.
I saw two Twitter users post photos of retired military and although they didn’t ID them by name they provided their professional details. Both senior officers at retirement, years of top level security clearances, that sort of stuff.
lamh36
@Adam L Silverman: isn’t it just…smh
Jim Clyburn pointed out that these people knew exactly where there were going. They knew exactly which way to go to get to certain areas in the buidling that no random looter should know how to get to easily.
So the question is HOW did they know and WHO did they know to give them pointers on where to go.
Martin
@lamh36: I have to believe that Fox lawyers can clearly see where the winds are blowing and told them to not take his calls. They’re already potentially in serious legal trouble. The voting companies can sue them out of existence. Their hosts could be exposed to sedition charges.
The only uncertain variable here is how bold is Biden/Garland going to be.
Adam L Silverman
@sanjeevs: Part of the reason DeVos resigned. They offered Trump the friends and family discount for his putsch and he was too cheap to hire Erik’s PRC paid for mercenaries.
Punchy
Please tell me they can ID these fuckers, then hold off arresting them until 21Jan? Otherwise Trump is going pardon every one of them.
marcopolo
@lamh36: It’s always possible he’s tried to do a live call in with Fox & their lawyers have said, um, no. But yeah, he has a press staff, a press room, etc… God forbid he start using that national text messaging alert system.
Gin & Tonic
@Adam L Silverman: I think the best way to avoid looking like an unprofessional schmuck is to not be an unprofessional schmuck, but I’m just some random dude.
If the FBI was surprised, they should don sackcloth and ashes and go live in the desert. This was completely predictable.
Suzanne
Side note: I bet that dude Rod Dreher must be shitting his pants, as he just wrote some book about the left being an unprecedented danger to the country. Man, I just hate it when I write some shitty book and it turns out that the call was coming from inside the house.
Mary G
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: It really is just the Kool Aid drinkers left:
Honey, no amount of extra money you give to billionaires or stock market records you set will eclipse five people dead in an insurrection, believe me.
Adam L Silverman
@Martin: I would like to be wrong too.
I would also like it when I post a forecast as a subject matter expert on stuff like this and explain what I thinks will happen, 60 people don’t tell me I’m being too pessimistic and I’m wrong and that couldn’t possible happen.
Gin & Tonic
@Kent: I’m not going to look, but I’m so old I can remember when whitehouse.com was a thing. I thought it was pretty funny, but I’m a sicko that way.
The Limper
@Adam L Silverman:
I was going to grab a screen cap but it just got pulled.
I’m now getting:
This Content Isn’t Available Right Now
When this happens, it’s usually because the owner only shared it with a small group of people, changed who can see it or it’s been deleted.
His twitter profile picture was the same as what was on his facebook profile page. Let me see if I can get anything out of my browser cache real quick.
Amir Khalid
@Mary G:
If Senators and Representatives who supported the insurrection get expelled, would that mean a wave of special elections, and if it does how would the makeup of both houses be affected?
Adam L Silverman
@marcopolo: That’s not him at Black Rifle Coffee Company with Jr. The guy with Jr, who has full sleeve tattoos on both arms, is one of the BRCC owners. He has dark brown hair and a beard, but his eyes are a different color.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
MagdaInBlack
@Adam L Silverman: It’s because people don’t want to believe things are that bad. I don’t want to believe you either, but, I do. So there ;-)
marcopolo
@Adam L Silverman: Well, that would explain why they pulled that photo from the ID thread :). But it was apparently after the clean up that the guy running the thread said he’d made his tentative ID. And they did ID another guy holding zipties earlier in the twitter feed.
Adam L Silverman
@HumboldtBlue: One of them is a former colleague of mine. He retired from active duty as a colonel from his final assignment at USAWC, which is where I knew him. He’s now a PA state senator. Names Doug Mastriano.
Adam L Silverman
@lamh36: They had maps of the Capitol. Including the tunnels below it that are used to get to all the different parts of the complex. Some of that is open source published on the Internet. Some of it isn’t.
Mary G
Gin & Tonic
@lamh36: I think somebody posted, maybe here, that all those 20-30-something frat boys working for the RWNJ Congresspeople are very on-line, all probably ex-Stormfront, current Gab or Parler types. Dollars to donuts some of them were helping.
Mary G
VeniceRiley
I swear he just posted from Tiffany’s account. Might not even be taken down already. Just saw it 15 minutes ago or so. Promised his own media communication machine announcement soon
marcopolo
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’ve been ping ponging around way way too many twitter feeds tonight so I can’t just pull up the one with the specific post but apparently a snap poll also shows 57% of Americans polled want Trump to resign immediately.
HumboldtBlue
@lamh36:
And when they didn’t know where to go — Schumer’s office — a friendly neighborhood Capitol Police officer gladly showed them the way. Remember, this was a crowd with people wearing “Camp Auschwitz” hoodies.
rikyrah
?????
Adam L Silverman
@lamh36: As I’ve stated here repeatedly, it is an open secret that Dan Scavino -Trump’s caddie and the White House Director of Digital Communications – is Trump’s ambassador to the alt-right, neo-NAZIs, white supremacists, etc on the chans, kuns, gab, and parler.
If Scavino helped to coordinate this for Trump, it would explain why it is being reported that he’s being considered for (needs) a preemptive pardon. It would not surprise me to find out, given who he is friendly with – Roger Stone, Chuck “Rage Furby” Johnson, Henry “Enrique” Tarrio, etc – that Gaetz is in touch with that crowd too. Or a member of his staff is. Strings need to be pulled on to see who is on the other end.
Comrade Colette
@Adam L Silverman: Yeah, at first I thought it was Mat Best himself and his mom, but doughy white women all look alike to me and now that I see riotboyyy’s face, it’s not Best (who is totally a gunhumping dick, but let’s not convict him of sedition on this particular bit of evidence).
Martin
@Adam L Silverman: It wasn’t that you were pessimistic. You were suggesting something that to us was unthinkable. And now we’re trying to simultaneously wrap our heads around it and convince ourselves that it’s not really happening, that it was just an overenthusiastic crowd and not an actual insurrection. But it’s an actual insurrection.
And it’s probably going to happen again in the next two weeks, isn’t it?
rikyrah
Frankensteinbeck
@lamh36:
It’s not the same. It’s not even close to the same. Twitter is an instant gratification venting his feelings and getting adored by the masses. It is unfiltered unless he wants it to be filtered. It is his release when he is depressed or angry. It’s where he gets to walk back any reasonableness his staff force him to display in public appearances. It is one of, possibly his biggest social outlet. And instant gratification is huge for a malignant narcissist. When all you care about is yourself, what you want right now is the most important thing in the universe.
Adam L Silverman
@Gin & Tonic: I know, I’ve been predicting it.
HumboldtBlue
@Adam L Silverman:
He’s one, there’s another one I can’t find the link for.
@Frankensteinbeck:
As Joy Reid pointed out, “Donald Trump has been stripped of the Precious.”
BR
@Adam L Silverman:
What do you think is coming next?
I’ve been telling folks that we may be in an even more dangerous situation now than we were a few days ago, but that’s based on a non-expert hunch.
rikyrah
????
CaseyL
I hope the FBI is uncompromised enough to roll these bastards up and Gitmo ’em for the duration.
But I also fervently hope the FBI is also tracking potential insurrections happening in the states, because there were a hellacious number of parallel attacks on state capitals all over the country (including Olympia, in my states) at the same time as the national putsch in DC.
Adam L Silverman
@The Limper: No worries.
rikyrah
@Adam L Silverman:
Arrest them all
frosty
@WeimarGerman: Interesting story, but I’m going to recall Adam’s advice to be a little skeptical about the first reports from any crisis. There’s a lot to unpack from this, like, how did he get access? Something to follow.
I’m really heartened by the professional and amateur sleuthing going on, and the arrests around the country after the fact.
marcopolo
Here you go Adam, IDed while I was reading this thread:
It’s fascinating how these folks use open source information to doxx these insurrectionists. I guess having a fetish for displaying all your different affiliations via patches and such helps quite a bit.
Kent
Not going to happen. Requires 2/3 vote in either chamber to expel a member so lots and lots of GOP votes.
On the other hand, if they or their staffs are implicated in any sort of actual coordination or aiding and abetting this treason (as I suspect some are) then they face federal charges and that will be the DOJ under Merrick Gardner who I expect has no love lost for the GOP Senate.
Adam L Silverman
@Amir Khalid: Depends on the state. Some states will be able to appoint temps to fill the vacancies until their state constitutions and laws require them to hold a special election.
MagdaInBlack
Congresswoman Jackie Speier was on The Breakdown last night. She was in the gallery and mentioned the republicans got taken out first. That struck me interesting.
Gin & Tonic
@Adam L Silverman: I knew I remembered reading about it somewhere.
Adam L Silverman
@MagdaInBlack: Thank you.
I feel better knowing that I’ve made you feel worse. Or something…//
Martin
@Adam L Silverman: But would the maps indicate whose office was whose? How would they find Cyburns non-labeled office when those offices shuffle to some degree every 2 years.
frosty
@Mary G: The hometown paper for Scott Perry, the York Dispatch, called for his resignation. It was the Republican rag when I was growing up around there. Not as eloquently as the Houston Chronicle linked above, though. That was a burn fer shure.
Adam L Silverman
@marcopolo: I saw that last night. I’ve been monitoring all this stuff.
Chetan Murthy
@Martin:
Until he’s either dead and buried, or in prison, I’ll always view him as a threat, now. I admit I didn’t think he had the stones for an autogolpe. My bad. I put nothing past him at this point, and the only reason I am not livid at the slow pace of impeachment, is that, well, I know that Nancy SMASH is at least as up-in-arms as I am, and she actually knows what’s doable and in what timeframe.
I put nothing past that bastard.
debbie
@scott (the other one):
One tweet said Thomas had paid for 87 buses to transport the supporters.
Damien
@Adam L Silverman: I second this annoyance, as one of your biggest fans. I literally reference your writings to everyone who asks me about this stuff, and pass your book recommendations to those wondering what we do next.
Wish more people would listen, but hey, I am.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@VeniceRiley: Yeah, it’s Daddy. What’s your name again?… Tiffany? really? Which one was your mother?…. Oh yeah. Anyway, Taffy, Daddy has a favor to ask… huh?…. okay, whatever honeybunch. Listen, what’s your twitter password?…. Your birthday? Okay, just as a test, darling, let’s see if you and I remember your same birthday, October…? Oh, March? Really? …. Oh yeah, I remember I was golfing at Doral. That was the day I shot a birdie on that one dog-leg… are you crying, Tiajuana?… No I call you that cause we went there that one time….. sure we did. Anyway Taffy, Daddy has a presidency to save. Say hi to your mom Darlene…. bye bye.
Cheryl Rofer
Let me make a caution explicit that Adam observed in the OP.
If you have a name for that person, send it to the FBI. Don’t put it out on social media. Too many innocent people have been hurt by mistaken identifications.
debbie
@Mary G:
They been very busy doing just that.
piratedan
@The Limper: btw +1 for the Black Company handle, just sayin’
Martin
@CaseyL: I nearly had a panic attack yesterday remembering that Biden requested a change to his secret service detail and reading that it was because there’s a belief that some in the SS can’t be trusted due to being Trump loyalists.
I mean, fuck. We’re going to have to denazify the government.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Cheryl Rofer: what if there’s a guy from high school I’m carrying a grudge against thirty-odd years later?
HumboldtBlue
@Kent:
Goddammit Ken, it better be Merrick Garland or we’re done. I’ll find a new best friend!
Anya
@debbie: I think great number of them are not part of the “economic anxiety” demographic.
I’ve been reading some of those profiles and some of those I’ve seen have good jobs and a disposable income.
Peale
@Adam L Silverman: would organising an insurrection that involves murder of top officials finally h enough for the government to step in and remove their assets from them? We can’t continue much longer looking the other way because they are wealthy.
Kent
Honestly, we may have to fire or suspend all the white male cops and agents until “we can figure out what’s going on” I was told by Tucker Carlson that it isn’t racial profiling if you have good reason.
And I’m a white male.
Medicine Man
@Adam L Silverman: Your fears should stop contradicting my wishful thinking then, Mr Silverman. :)
debbie
@Adam L Silverman:
In a situation like this (insurrection), can’t those pardons be rescinded?
Kent
Ha yes. I was so concentrated at getting the Merrick part right (and not Merritt) that I botched the Garland part!
Adam L Silverman
@Martin: I think you’ll see a number of smaller incidents around the country over the next couple of weeks as his supporters sort themselves out. Some will drop off because “the prophecy failed” and just limp away. Others will continue along the current course. Some will go dead enders, which will itself split into three groups. Those who internally direct their anger and commit suicide or attempt it, those who externally direct it and engage in more attacks (lone wolf and collective), and those who do a bit of both. If you’re related to a Q nut or one of these hard core Trump/MAGA cultists and in close proximity, stay away. The intimate partner murder/suicides are going to spike.
For the inauguration, I think you’ll see an attempt at something big in the Capitol and, based on what I’ve seen on the social media feeds, a lot of these folks trying to use that as cover to do distributed attacks around the US. State capitols. State officials homes. Things like that.
ellie
@Mallard Filmore: I know! I thought he was retired military, but no, he’s just a momma’s boy who likes to dress up. Color me chagrined.
debbie
@Anya:
Hope their bail amounts will be significantly increased.
WaterGirl
@Martin: I don’t think that change happens until 1/20, if I am remembering correctly.
marcopolo
Anyone else getting an ad for red Valentine’s Day lingerie inserted halfway down in the middle of the different photos/twitter posts that make up Adam’s front page post? It is a little jarring in the middle of all the militia crap. Plus I think the algorithm for targeting that ad is just a smidge off.
bluehill
@Martin: Putting my tinfoil hat on, seems like there were a small group of “professionals” seeking out certain targets and using the other joyriders as cover. They could have had some sympathizers within the capitol police, who ordered or openly let people in as seen in the videos. Also seems like certain repub leaders were aware that something was going to happen. Trump hints at it in his rally speech kinda of like when asked Russia to get the emails.
piratedan
@MagdaInBlack: I would really like to know regarding offices violated and ransacked, how many of them were for GOP reps and Senators… It would also allow speculation as to why the GOP continued to push the putsch because the fix was in and they knew that the “protesters” weren’t coming for them.
Still no briefing from Capitol Police or any other LE agency regarding details like that and apparently, no one has even bothered to ask.
Kent
@Adam L Silverman: I think all the state capitol incursions that they have been doing in MI, OR, KS, and everywhere else were practice runs for the big thing. Go back and look at photos of the MI state capitol invasion by militia groups. It looks exactly the same.
Adam L Silverman
@HumboldtBlue:This guy. Retired Air Force lieutenant colonel who was an intel dink and then failed to win a PA state legislative seat in 2018. Saccone’s in the ski cap. Mastriano in the ball cap.
Martin
Here’s one of Matt Gaets’s former staffers and currently a member of a holocaust commission seeing his moment during the insurrection attempt.
cain
@Kent:
OAN has joined the chat.
Newsmax has joined the chat.
He can easily grow these two news organizations.
David Anderson
https://twitter.com/adamgoldmanNYT/status/1347764284969930753?s=20
Ziptie guy’s older more organized comrade is a LTC air force retiree
marcopolo
@Kent: One can hope that after the Jan 6th events (it was around 10 or 11 events at various state capitols, right?), that federal law enforcement will be working with state agencies providing guidance on preparing for more riots/incursions in the lead up to and including inauguration day. I want to believe that DC will be locked down tight.
cain
@Mary G:
These states have pride, and having a representative not be wholly patriotic and participate in sedition – it is a matter of honor.
Although, not sure how it will be for Tennessee and West Virginia who seem to have more than their share of seditionists.
Anya
I liked this Mark Cuban reply to Josh Hawley. He got dunked on by everyone.
“Josh, let me explain Capitalism to you. Sometimes people decide not to do business with you. It’s their decision. You know the whole “No Shoes, No Shirt, No Service” thing ? In your case it happens to be “No Principles, No Honesty, No Book” thing. Feel free to Self-Publish”
MagdaInBlack
@piratedan: Theres a photo floating around, posted by ” The Galactic Federation” of a bunch of apple laptops, claiming the Natl Guard got them when the Democrats left them…….and now “they” have all the proof they need : the dems and rino traitors were in league with antifa and blm.
I’ve been poking around on the dark side.
bluehill
I wonder how many of these people are being recruited by foreign intelligence agencies.
HumboldtBlue
@Adam L Silverman:
Saccone’s an ass, and he just got fired from his history professorship at St. Vincent’s.
marcopolo
@Martin: seeing = seizing or did you just mean seeing? either could work.
Martin
@Adam L Silverman: Ok, thanks. That’s what I was thinking. I suspect the big attempt will be far more determined. Among (looks up thread) the 18% of Republicans that supported the efforts on Wed, I’m pretty sure there’s at least a few hundred or thousand willing to (metaphorically) strap on a suicide vest. Provided at least they can find a platform to coordinate. (Visualizing hundreds of fascists sitting around a campfire in Red Dead Redemption Online).
I trust the FBI professionals could disrupt this enough, but will the FBI or DHS leadership allow them? Those appointees sure seemed to do a good job of sitting on their thumbs in the leadup to Wed.
marcopolo
@HumboldtBlue: adjunct faculty position–don’t give him more status than he deserves :)
cain
They should be careful not to overreach – I think though they can eventually nail them on sedition charges. There are so many examples of them encouraging the crowd.
They should have the power to shut them down – and hold the top brass and their hosts accountable.
Kent
@MagdaInBlack: Be sure to shower and de-louse when you are done.
Adam L Silverman
@BR:
I think you’ll see a number of smaller incidents around the country over the next couple of weeks as his supporters sort themselves out. Some will drop off because “the prophecy failed” and just limp away. Others will continue along the current course. Some will go dead enders, which will itself split into three groups. Those who internally direct their anger and commit suicide or attempt it, those who externally direct it and engage in more attacks (lone wolf and collective), and those who do a bit of both. If you’re related to a Q nut or one of these hard core Trump/MAGA cultists and in close proximity, stay away. The intimate partner murder/suicides are going to spike.
For the inauguration, I think you’ll see an attempt at something big in the Capitol and, based on what I’ve seen on the social media feeds, a lot of these folks trying to use that as cover to do distributed attacks around the US. State capitols. State officials homes. Things like that.
Anya
@Martin: God, how I hate MAGA and Rose Twitter’s obsession with “take the knee”. Fucking morons.
sanjeevs
@Adam L Silverman: Thought it was going to be Pat Lang. Guess he’s too old to scale buildings now
Adam L Silverman
@rikyrah: No argument from me.
Martin
@marcopolo: Seizing. I haven’t slept well in 3 days, and my brain isn’t talking well to my fingers.
Poe Larity
I just can’t stop thinking about Lindsay’s fanclub at DCA today. It was like watching Qaddafi’s last video.
Adam L Silverman
@marcopolo: None of these chucklefucks understands that concealed means concealed.
Not only should one not be taken notes about a criminal conspiracy, one should not be posting everywhere about one’s domestic terrorist activities.
Medicine Man
@sanjeevs: I haven’t visited SST for some time. I would hate to find the host there this far gone, but would not be surprised.
MagdaInBlack
@Kent: It makes me wish I could drink.
Kent
Being recruited? A bunch of them are probably already witting or unwitting Russian trolls and assets.
cain
@Amir Khalid:
I think there is a good chance that Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley are going to get shanked and shanked hard. That will open up opportunities. I don’t think we can replace Hawley’s seat with a Dem, but Tedi’s has Beto writen all over it.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Poe Larity: Brian Williams just showed that video, and damn if Lindsey didn’t look older than 65
piratedan
sorry been a tough day here in Tucson, 10 year “anniversary” of the mass shooting that killed 6 and nearly killed Gabby Giffords was today and on top of all of national news, its one of those nights where you’re afraid of even drinking because being emotionally numb isn’t exactly what you’re looking for….
Kent
In other words, the scary shit and scary people we probably aren’t seeing.
cain
@Adam L Silverman:
Wow, that must suck when you see colleagues being part of this sedition.
dlwchico
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/an-air-force-combat-veteran-breached-the-senate
Adam L Silverman
@Martin: I have no idea.
Woodrow/asim
@cain: OANN/NewsMax don’t have the kickass cable deal Fox News has.
Not to say they can’t, and won’t grow, and thus be a major issue. Just noting there’s a reason Fox gained viewership and credibility, relatively rapidly.
MagdaInBlack
@Adam L Silverman: Ive been saying all day what an absolutely stunning display of ” it’s ok if you’re white” this is. They’re stunned and dismayed that they were shot and teargassed. I’m in awe of the white privilege.
Anya
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1347724256323497989?s=20
Don Jr. thinks he’s some sort of a freedom fighter. He’s preparing the troops for the battle and what they can do if he falls.
Adam L Silverman
@Damien: Thank you for the kind words.
And as annoyances go, it is a minor one. This is Balloon Juice after all where people tell TaMara that she’s recipiing wrong. Commenters here have, with what appears to be real sincerity, spent dozens of comments telling me that I was having my one to two time a year sinus infections incorrectly.
Mallard Filmore
@Martin:
I for one, expected an actual insurrection to be a lot better organized.
Woodrow/asim
#StringerBellWuzRight
Aleta
HumboldtBlue
@Woodrow/asim:
One problem is they don’t need cable, they need Facebook and Twitter, that’s where the 20-30-40-year-old something seditionists are, and it’s far, far, easier to reach them on social media and completely control the message than cable TV news.
@Aleta:
That’s the guy I was thinking of in the exchange with Adam over the retired officers on scene.
Keith P.
@Cheryl Rofer: ZipTieGuy is George Soros, wearing one of those Scooby Doo masks.
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: It’s funny because it’s true!
burnspbesq
@Peale:
Under existing law, asset forfeiture would be a pretty big stretch. I can see legislative proposals coming out of this.
Adam L Silverman
@Peale: I honestly do not know.
marcopolo
@Adam L Silverman:
From Ronan Farrow’s New Yorker article (link at 145):
Btw, this is the same guy who IDed #2 ziptie guy tonight.
Kent
Or Colin Allred. Texas is growing a deeper bench.
Adam L Silverman
@Medicine Man: Sorry, my bad.
Anya
@dlwchico:
“I know it looks menacing,” he told me. “That was not my intent.” The crazies are now backtracking. Super scary though that these retired military guys are this radicalized.
Mary G
@Adam L Silverman: The retired LTC gave an interview to the New Yorker
ETA: He talked Ronan Farrow, no less. That guy could get a Chia Pet to spill its guts
ETA2: I see I am late and marcopolo and others talked about this already.
Adam L Silverman
@debbie: Most likely not. They might be challenged as part of a an attempt to obstruct justice or evidence of it, but I’m not a lawyer and I don’t play one here or anywhere else.
I’m just an underutilized low intensity warfare specialist and unconventional strategist.
patroclus
I want these perps to be identified, but I’d prefer that it be done by law enforcement personnel rather than by the internet. Trump still has the pardon power and, although he appears to care only about himself, it is at least possible that, if he learns their names and ID’s, he’ll pardon them within the next 12 days. I’d prefer that law enforcement investigate them during that time and not release names and ID’s until after the inauguration. All the seditious insurrectionists should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and I want that to actually happen; not be pre-empted by a nonsensical Trump blanket pardon.
Adam L Silverman
@marcopolo: It’s for all of Balloon Juice’s gun bunnies.
Poe Larity
Pat Lang called for Trump to resign yesterday but says BLM is to blame for usurping the deplorables right to primacy… and they all have big guns so you liberals better watch out.
Kent
@marcopolo: I read that article and didn’t realize it was Ronan Farrow. I guess I don’t notice bylines.
Adam L Silverman
@Kent: Wouldn’t be surprising at all.
dimmsdale
I don’t know if this has been mentioned, but the ease with which the goobers entered the building seems to smack of inside help–and the ease with which they found Jim Clyburn’s “other” office, and the location where the EC certificates SHOULD have been, seems to bear that out. Wouldn’t surprise me if Gohmert or Gaetz or their staff had been feeding intel to the goobers outside, if not transmitting actual floorpans. Too many unanswered questions! Are we looking forward to a shitload of Blue Ribbon Commissions to parse it all out? (I know I am!)
HumboldtBlue
@marcopolo:
Indeed.
Medicine Man
@Adam L Silverman: Sorry Adam, just a stupid joke. I’m just a bit shook up and am clowning.
marcopolo
@cain: I live in MO where the D bench is pretty damned shallow. The only name that stands out atm to run against Hawley is Jason Kander, but I’m not sure he wants to be an elected anymore for mental health reasons. He lost by a smidge to Roy Blunt in 2016, then started a run for KC Mayor in 2017 and dropped out to get treatment for PTSD. Now works at a non-profit supporting veteran’s housing issues.
After him there is the possibility that Claire McCaskill could go for one last race but I suspect she’s finding commenting on MSNBC a lot more enjoyable than running for and holding office.
Adam L Silverman
@MagdaInBlack: My understanding is the only two missing laptops are one stolen from Senator Merkley and one taken from Speaker Pelosi’s conference room that was used as the controller for the slide decks during briefings.
Adam L Silverman
@HumboldtBlue: Good. While I never knew Doug to be anything other than polite and friendly – I didn’t deal with him much at all – he’s apparently one too.
Adam L Silverman
@Martin: A lot of the folks involved with these things don’t identify as Republicans, they ID as Trump supporters. And they don’t answer phone surveys.
Anya
@Adam L Silverman: I am guessing if they left their offices open there aren’t that many documents that are private or contain any secrets.
MagdaInBlack
@Adam L Silverman: Pretty much what I had heard. Its just a random picture of a bunch of laptops.
I was pretty deep in the murk. Need to delouse now.
Kent
Congressman Eric Swalwell was suggesting that very possibility yesterday. That some of the staff of the MAGA delegation could have been involved. They are the ones who normally frequent MAGA rallies in the first place.
Adam L Silverman
@sanjeevs: He’s had serious health issues for going on a decade now. I think it is partially responsible for his going well off the deep end. Odds of him doing anything like this anymore are very, very slim.
debbie
@MagdaInBlack:
They even explained that what they were doing was “storming the Capitol” like it was an ordinary, everyday kind of thing!
Adam L Silverman
@Medicine Man: There’s a reason I’m here and not there. Please don’t ask for details.
frosty
@Adam L Silverman: I checked Silverman on Security and didn’t see the post warning about this. Do you have a link handy? Or a date? Or an admonishment (as a former professor) to do my own research LOL?
Adam L Silverman
@cain: Josh Kander in MO. There’s already a lot pressure for him to run against him if Hawley manages to limp through to 2024.
Martin
Boy, we have 4 branches of the military but only one seems to be showing up for the insurrection. How odd.
HumboldtBlue
@debbie:
I’m just gonna link to this brilliant parody one more time. (Sarah Copper better watch out)
We’re stormin’ the Capitol, it’s a revolution!
@Martin:
Marines were well represented as well from reports. Both branches have serious issues with white supremacists in the ranks.
Adam L Silverman
@Kent: Unfortunately.
The Limper
@piratedan: Thanks! One of my favorite book series.
@Adam L Silverman: I can’t pull anything anymore which is too bad. But one of my friends said someone she knew ID’ed him and turned in his FB profile so I’m thinking it was locked down by Facebook as evidence (I hope).
Adam L Silverman
@cain: Several former colleagues of mine and I have had some interesting conversations over the past several weeks.
Kent
Probably need to recruit some charismatic non-politician business or sports type. Not being a mainstream Dem politician would probably be a plus in MO.
Medicine Man
@Adam L Silverman: We’ve talked (briefly) in private about it. I didn’t ask about your own story regarding SST and won’t. My questions were about my anxieties regarding another poster there.
I was talking to sanjeevs about SST.
In this thread, I was talking about my (lame) joke about how you keep squashing my wishful thinking.
Adam L Silverman
@MagdaInBlack: I’m white, and while a member of a minority religion, I’m in awe of it as well. Or, at least, in awe of the self delusion.
debbie
@Mary G:
Dude’s a lousy liar. He needs much practice.
Adam L Silverman
@Woodrow/asim: But of course. That’s just SCIENCE!
Bill Arnold
@bluehill:
If you want to go there, one obvious theory is that D.J. Trump attempted to deniably assassinate M. Pence to eliminate the possibility of the use of twenty-fifth amendment (section 4). Pence dead, no 25th amendment. This would have freed him up for future more heinous acts. (Causality slightly mixed up because there wasn’t much talk about the 25th until the autocoup attempt. But work with it. :-)
mrmoshpotato
@HumboldtBlue: LOL! But still fuck that fascist, Nazi bitch. She’s lucky she only got maced. And “revolution” my ass!
Adam L Silverman
@marcopolo: Yep.
Adam L Silverman
@Mary G: It’s the thought that counts.
debbie
@Anya:
I wouldn’t assume that; they fled immediately.
Mary G
@Adam L Silverman: I said you were exactly right when you told us about something the other day, but might not have typed it, just told the cat. Seriously, though, you are extremely valuable, entertaining and educational for me, and I’m glad you post when you can.
Adam L Silverman
@Medicine Man: I was teasing. I’ll use the sarc tags next time.
frosty
@Adam L Silverman: One of these guys are in the lege fucking up my state????!!!??
debbie
@HumboldtBlue:
OMG, how did that little kid get that down like that?!?
ETA: That tik-tok is front-page worthy!
marcopolo
Goodnight everyone. Guess it’s too much to hope that some tangential link to Erik Prince will come out showing his involvement. Oh well.
For anyone who wants to follow the impeachment whip count, it currently stands at 182 yeses–with member vacancies the magic number is 217. There are also 7 maybes & 12 noes. This link is the tracking spreadsheet maintained by DKos.
Poe Larity
@Medicine Man: Unfortunately, there are plenty of Tylers out there.
TTG reappeared on Lang’s “Liberals drove Trump mad, but he should go now” post.
WaterGirl
@Mary G: I have just skimmed this, but it’s bullshit at every turn. “I thought I was welcome in the building.” ?????????????
Does he think we are stupid?
Adam L Silverman
@Anya: They went in a hurry. And the staff were in the offices and were told to evacuate ASAP. So lots of stuff didn’t get secured. Right now they have no idea what, if anything, is missing. I’ve seen pics of unclassified workstations still on (unlocked) with email clients and other documents up on the screens.
Adam L Silverman
@frosty: I kept mentioning it in comments, kept getting told I was overreacting and overly pessimistic, and decided not to do a post as a result.
HumboldtBlue
@debbie:
From the comments it appears this isn’t his first rodeo on the mimicry circuit, he may have another out there, I haven’t looked.
That’s simply brilliant. The look at the end absolutely slays me and as I commented on the tweet, you can’t mimic a weeping Karen better than that.
Mary G
@WaterGirl: He seems to be using the “just a senile little old man” play, but overdoing it so much I don’t believe a word of it.
ETA: He’s only 53. Looks older than me, and I’m 65.
The Limper
I was talking to my mom earlier tonight and it occurred to me that Trump’s pardons of the four blackwater guards is somewhat odd – I wonder if it’s some favor (Trump-style) to Erik Prince for his involvement in this. Just speculation.
Adam L Silverman
@The Limper: Even if FB didn’t lock it down, once the FBI sends them a National Security Letter and/or a warrant, they’ll provide access.
Medicine Man
@Poe Larity: Excellent guess.
Anotherlurker
@marcopolo: What are the chances this retired AF officer, this fucking traitor, was radicalized by religious extremists at he Air Force Academy?
Leto
Catching up and saw the New Yorker piece on the AF LTC dumbfuck and… jfc man. Nice two’fer the AF is having here. From the NY’er article:
Here’s my response: SUPREME COURT: RETIREES CAN BE COURT-MARTIALED FOR CRIMES COMMITTED AFTER SERVICE
Fucking prosecute, AF. Fucking prosecute, military. Stop fucking around with these seditious traitors.
L85NJGT
@Martin:
That, and it’s always the light birds.
Martin
@WaterGirl: No, he thinks he’s white.
Feathers
One thing on the cops giving directions to Schumer’s office. The story said that the insurrectionists asked for directions and got them, but never found the office. This gives me the sense that maybe the police officers were not giving correct directions. If I were in that situation, I’d send the yo-yos on a wild goose chase.
The crowd had been screaming about killing cops, and tragically did succeed. Being polite, taking selfies, opening doors, seems to have been a somewhat successful strategy to keep the thugs moving and confused, away from where the Congress was hidden, while waiting for the National Guard and FBI to arrive.
There needs to be a huge reckoning with our police forces and what they have become, but .I don’t think all the stories we are hearing are what actually happened.
Adam L Silverman
@Medicine Man: I know the poster. I used to be in occasional contact with him via email. He’s got serious PTSD from his tours as an infantry NCO in Afghanistan and is currently assigned by C&BP to a very rough part of the border in AZ. Eventually he’ll be involved in something very bad. He needs to be pulled off the line before that happens and get the help he needs. Unfortunately it is unlikely to happen.
catclub
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Now ask the Republicans about protesting the stolen election, and you get back to 80% in favor.
Never mind that the election was not stolen.
Adam L Silverman
@Mary G: No worries.
Leto
@frosty: Yup; Senator Katie Muth (my senator and next door neighbor) took to Twitter and FB to roast his ass about it. PA AG Josh Shapiro has already stated that anyone involved with this will be investigated/prosecuted. I pointed that out and a few MAGAT chuds wanted to 1) tell me how these were all peaceful protestors and 2) Mastriano and some other state senator, who organized a bus load of them over, all left before anything happened. Sure, sure. Luckily most of the rest of the people in the thread weren’t having that shit. None of us were. Heads need to roll. Doubt the PA Senate Ethics Committee will, but looking to keep the pressure on Shapiro.
Adam L Silverman
@frosty: COL (ret) Doug Mastriano.
https://senatormastriano.com/biography/
Parfigliano
@dlwchico: Can they recall the retired Air force vet to active duty and court martial?
debbie
@HumboldtBlue:
Even the body language was perfection! I bookmarked it; I never want not to be able to watch it again and again.
Adam L Silverman
@Anotherlurker: I have no idea.
MisterForkbeard
@marcopolo: The 12 “no”s kill it, dont they? Pelosi can only lose 5 or so.
Or does that count also include Republicans?
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
@Adam L Silverman: I have a bad feeling about this. The right-leaning folks I still know are like ants after you’ve kicked an anthill. I think there is more violence to come. I hope against hope I am wrong.
dimmsdale
@Kent: Yeah, I heard him say that. I also want to know whether or to what extent Roger Stone was working his Proud Boy connections, and how coordinated (and lethally intentioned) the spearheads of the invasion were. The death of the Capitol policeman maybe opens a lot of these guys (including any congressional collaborators) to some pretty serious charges.
Chetan Murthy
@Parfigliano: Quickly skimming the article linked by @Leto: it appears that the Sgt court-martialed appeared in his civilian clothes, hence I guess he wasn’t recalled to active duty?
Adam L Silverman
@Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony: That’s two of us.
Martin
@Adam L Silverman: According to my friend at FB, there’s a parallel system that allows them to give LEO a login that lets them view one or more accounts in realtime. It’s not really sufficient to extract the data from one account because social media relies so much on connecting data from different accounts and seeing who you are following, or what they are replying is important. It can show information that you would normally only be able to access from your account, plus a bunch of other information that you can’t see in a regular FB account such as location tracking of devices that are accessing the account, etc.
In a lot of cases they don’t want the account locked because they want to see the person interacting with the account, trying to remove evidence and so on. But none of it ever really deletes – it just gets hidden from view.
catclub
I wish 88 M followers were suspended permanently. How many are bots?
Leto
@Chetan Murthy: Nope, didn’t need to be. He’d been retired for a while. It’s rare that it happens, but every couple of years it happens. I’ve read stories in our base paper, as well as AF Times/Military Times, of things like this happening for various offenses.
But that’s the thing; it can and should happen. Best part? They lose all the benefits. Retirement pay? Gone. Base privileges? Gone. Medical benefits? Gone. So if you want to be a seditious traitorous fuck, go for it. But be prepared for when the consequences catch up. Idk, maybe we’d have a better officer/enlisted class if people knew their fucking bullshit would have these consequences post service. Idk. Something for down the road.
Damien
Adam, do you foresee any kind of retaliatory violence from the left against these groups? Assuming they are able to skate responsibility?
To be clear I’m referring to the backers and intellectual infrastructure (such as it is), not merely the foot soldiers. Do people like Tucker Carlson and the rest have need to be fearful, or do you suspect that the justice system will prevail as it should, in contrast to the Bundy’s wildlife refuge takeover?
Adam L Silverman
@Martin: Good to know.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Adam L Silverman: Older Congressional Directories had floor plans of the Capitol, I’ve got one on my bookshelf.
Martin
@catclub: Nearly every reporter in the country follows that account.
Adam L Silverman
@Damien: I don’t. There’s no real comparable equivalent on the far left. The closest you get is the hard core anarchist in the Black Block, but they’re thing is protesting against capitalism. And pretty much everything else too.
Mallard Filmore
@marcopolo:
Think of it as “too soon”. Be positive about life!
Martin
@MisterForkbeard: There’s no way this doesn’t pass in the House. Nancy will run riot over her caucus if any of them oppose.
Adam L Silverman
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Stay where you are, the authorities may want to chat.//
Another Scott
I haven’t checked all the links in this thread – maybe it’s already been mentioned.
(repost) ProPublica and Bellingcat (SparrowMedia) has also setup a GoogleSheets spreadsheet to collect multimedia information about the invaders.
Cheers,
Scott.
Adam L Silverman
I’m going to go an watch last weekend’s Edinburgh-Glasgow Pro14 rugby match that I haven’t gotten to see yet. And rub doggy bellies.
Catch everyone on the flip.
Kent
@Woodrow/asim:
Cable is bleeding viewership. And most new TVs are coming as Smart TVs with apps so all OAN and Newsmax really have to go is get into things like the Apple and Samsung App Store and they will be there on Aunt Tillie’s TV.
Anya
@Adam L Silverman: Oh, I have assumed that the offices were empty because they were all in the chambers (except the staff). Even the most innocent stuff can be twisted. But I hope no one’s privacy is compromised. Congressional staff deal with a lot of correspondence from constituents and they contain a lot of personal information.
cain
@Adam L Silverman:
These people are very entitled. Fed so much garbage from right wing media – they think all the cops are in cahoots with them – so there is nothing to fear. They are patriots!
Of course, part of this is about showing off. They want to show off to their friends and family – this is part insurrection, part high school reunion, part frat party.
cain
@Woodrow/asim:
Thats going to be harder to sustain with everyone doing streaming apps and smart tvs. I have a smart tv, and I really don’t need a cable subscription anymore. I literally can just have amazon prime and netflix and be fairly happy – plus no commercials.
bluehill
@Bill Arnold: I saw some tweets raising that possibility. Still hard to believe this actually happened and at the same time, not surprised.
Sister Golden Bear
A friend of mine, who works for the federal government, was staying in the same hotel as zip-tie guy, and realized she shared an elevator with him the morning of the 6th (when he was presumably leaving to join the insurrection). Needless to say, she’s more than a bit freaked out right now.
Steeplejack
A respite moment: I love the Progressive “Dr. Rick” ads. Quinoa.
Damien
@Adam L Silverman: I’d have to say that I’m pretty glad we don’t have two competing violent vigilante groups in this country. But I would definitely like to see the mechanism of the state standing up to these yahoos and the yahoo’s supporting them.
Kent
@Damien:
In the past the far left seems to have attacked its own more than go for right-wing targets. Like when eco-terrorists firebombed the UW Center for Urban Horticulture when I was a grad student there because they wanted to stop genetically engineered trees that weren’t even being researched or grown there.
To the extent that far-left terrorist groups exist, they’ll probably go after “sellouts” like the DNC who are betraying the cause, or some shit like that. The “woke” going after the “not woke enough”
But who knows….Adam would know more about that then me.
Chetan Murthy
@Kent:
There may be nutters who take up violence; the main mass of progressives never have and never will [barring an actual civil war] because we believe in the value of government and civil society. You don’t protect government and civil society by fomenting disorder.
cain
@marcopolo:
Ugh that’s too bad. Hopefully we can find an ambitious person who would be willing to go the distance. Missouri deserves some bright new leaders.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Adam L Silverman: So the cult is at the murder/ suicide stage then?
gwangung
@cain: As someone said on twitter, the joyful attitude of these terrorists was the same kind of attitude Lynch mobs had about killing black people and other POCs.
HumboldtBlue
@catclub:
That Twitter following was actually built by Obama who graciously handed over the POTUS account intact to Trump. Of course Trump refused the same courtesy to Biden.
Adam Geffen
@Adam L Silverman:
Your analysis RE what happens next is important enough to perhaps be spun out into its own post rather than remain buried in a comment. (Pretty please ?)
Kent
This exactly. Go look at the photos of the famous “Waco Horror” lynching that happened to be super well documented because there were press photographers from Dallas there. They were gleeful and unashamed and made post cards of the event https://theundefeated.com/features/the-waco-horror/
cain
@Kent:
Yep, absolutely – I don’t think that cable deal is going to be that effective – and the older viewership which it is targeted at is shrinking for obvious reasons.
Feathers
https://twitter.com/NYinLA2121/status/1347721876525649921
NANCY SMASH!
Damien
@Kent: I agree, as well as the fact that by and large we believe in the power and righteousness of civil society and good government, which makes it much less likely for us to pick up weapons.
That said, I wonder if that’s going to change at all now that we’ve seen an outright attempted violent overthrow of the government…
Kent
Here on the west coast in cities like Portland, Seattle, and San Francisco there are plenty of ultra-lefties who have no hesitation at attacking “not left enough” targets but it’s mostly just vandalism, property damage and such. Not things like firebombs or shootings.
Kent
I don’t know how you monitize a TV app. I guess by filling your content with ads and maybe doing subscriptions. But I think pay cable is dying quickly. Just like paid newspapers. Our local fiber provider is called Ziply which bought out Frontier which came from Verizon I think. Anyway, they aren’t even doing any new cable subscriptions, it’s all just fiber internet and they will sell you the cord-cutting packages to get the online streaming network channels if you want them. I still have a legacy cable box but if I were a new subscriber I would only get internet service. We still have Comcast in the neighborhood as well, but they are slower so most people get the Ziply fiber
In the future my Samsung TV will probably have a damn “Trump” App. The horror.
Avalune
@debbie: They do have other videos. It’s actually a sweet story. Dad was struggling to find work because he was in prison. Kid teaches him tiktok and they do some videos dancing together. Blows up. Now dad doesn’t need job. Just makes cute videos with the kids. (Shorthand version of the story). Enkyboys!
gwangung
@Kent: It all boils down to an indifference to things that are serious matters to others. As long as they get to have a good time, everything and anything is fine.
Consequences, however, are catching up to them.
Danielx
@WeimarGerman:
Gosh, and he knew to look there how, exactly?
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Martin: How is it odd that is the Air-Force, there have been complaints that the Air force was filled with Christian fascists for years now and of course, of all four branches the Air force is the most insular. They aren’t like the Marines who get to see the rest of the world first hand doing things like Embassy guards.
tam1MI
Which office did he meet with constituents in? If the other office was “never used”, that means his office was the one he met constituents in. Someone could just have set up a constituent meeting with him and then memorized which office they were escorted to.
VeniceRiley
This guy. Dimly aware he’s now in trouble.
https://www.wonkette.com/idaho-dingus-who-stormed-us-capitol-has-regrets-lawyer
HumboldtBlue
@VeniceRiley:
There’s a Chicagoland CEO type whose also regretting being a fucking traitor.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Kent: We also have some the worst of the hard right. All the conservatives I know utterly detest San Fransisco Republicans as just utter poison.
bluehill
@VeniceRiley: I was pretty impressed that he was able to jump down without breaking a leg.
It will be interesting to see how judges handle sentencing for first time offenders. Hope they apply the same guidelines that they use for minorities.
prostratedragon
@MisterForkbeard:
It does. The breakdown is in the upper right corner of the spreadsheet:
FOR: 182 (182 D, 0 R)
MAYBE: 7 (5 D, 2 R)
AGAINST: 12 (1 D, 11 R)
trnc
@Mallard Filmore:
They did, too, but DT organized it, so there ya go.
Kent
The Air Force Academy is in Colorado Springs which is also the national HQ for a bunch of right-wing evangelical organizations. It’s been that way for decades I had a friend from HS who got in back in the 80s and he dropped out at the last moment when you could still drop out and not owe time and he said it was full of fundies back then.
rikyrah
Hell yeah, it was a muthaphuckin’ insurrection??
Aleta
Naveed Jamali @NaveedAJamali
Anoniminous
@Martin:
“But none of it ever really deletes – it just gets hidden from view.”
It costs too much to delete information. Cheaper to scag the pointers so it disappears from casual viewing. Behind the scenes the stuff just keeps getting backed up on a server in India, Iceland, Finland, etc.
CaseyL
@Kent: Lucky you. I’ve been wanting to free myself from Comcast for lo these many years. Unfortunately, Ziply isn’t in my specific neighborhood, or they won’t install in individual units of complexes.
HumboldtBlue
@Avalune:
This is why we read the blog.
The Limper
As few days ago, I know mistermix pointed out John Judis had some problematic posts – well he just posted a doozie on TPM: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/democrats-impeachment-is-a-political-trap
I skimmed over it – I have no idea what world Judis lives in – we just saw a violent insurrection and he’s talking about Trump and attention? WTF
mrmoshpotato
Remember kids – when committing the federal crime of trying to overthrow the United States government, it’s best to CROSS SEVERAL STATE LINES! Idiots.
mrmoshpotato
Who? Who needs to be slapped with his (most likely his) own skeleton?
Chetan Murthy
@The Limper: Thanks for pointing it out. I’m a subscriber, and have written a sternly-worded letter to TPM. I’m sure that’ll do the trick! Ha! But seriously, yeah, that’s *nuts*.
trnc
And, of course, Ukraine.
Yutsano
They seem nice…
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
Malarkey.
LeftCoastYankee
Doxing Nazis is pretty much activity 1 for Antifa types.
Jackal-tifa in action?
Chetan Murthy
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: IIRC there were some serious incidents of antisemitic craziness at USAFA against Jewish cadets. Pretty harrowing stuff.
Chetan Murthy
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Mary G
@VeniceRiley: I want to see this other video in the local news story:
L85NJGT
ID of the traitor and the person linked in first post is almost certain to be verified by LE.
HumboldtBlue
@mrmoshpotato:
This fuck
Mary G
Best joke I’ve seen tonight:
L85NJGT
@rikyrah:
Trump was pressing his lackeys to object to state certificates so the targets would be in the building. Timing seemed to be an issue/concern, so they came up with the bullshit votes as a means to lengthen the attack window.
Chetan Murthy
@Mary G: Michelle FTW!
patrick II
@Mary G:
It’s 2:17 in the morning, I am reading about the attempt at a violent overthrow of the U.S. government — and that made me laugh out loud. Thank You.
Danielx
@VeniceRiley:
I really wonder when it started to sink on on this dimwit that yes, he is in a shitpot of trouble I’d imagine there are any number of assholes
peoplewondering when the knock is going to come at their door at this point. It’s one thing to buy a plane ticker and pay for a hotel room, it’s a whole different level of trouble to pay attorney fees to have yourself defended in federal court. And the Justice Department is going to be after scalps.You bought the ticket, folks, complete with pictures and video. Now take the ride.
Danielx
@Mary G:
The look when Michelle snatches the phone is priceless.
“What? I was just…..”
HumboldtBlue
@L85NJGT:
The women who saved the election and the electoral votes.
jl
I know who the ringleader is: fat orange weird looking guy. I don’t wanna be no stooly, but is there a reward?
L85NJGT
@jl:
?
Viva BrisVegas
@HumboldtBlue: Can Joe get back those Presidential Medals of Freedom that Trump handed out to Devin Nunes and Jim Jordan, and give them to these women?
Absolute heroes.
LeftCoastYankee
@The Limper:
Jeez and comparing Trump to Bre’r Rabbit.
It’s like he’s going for 11th dimension stupid.
HumboldtBlue
@Viva BrisVegas:
If only
jl
@LeftCoastYankee: if Trump is out, and it’s a new congress, does there need to be a trial? Any BJ lawyers know?
Kent
My wife’s plan for getting the vaccine out quicker.
You get your $2000 stimulus check after you get your covid shot.
Mary G
Ivanka’s on Parler shilling for contributions to Trump Media and bragging they’ve already sold $100,000 coffee mugs. How the mighty have fallen. At the beginning of Twitler’s term she was pushing a $10,000 bracelet from her jewelry line, now it’s something that costs $1.59 to make that they get $15 at most for.
Mary G
@jl: Yes, he can’t run for any Federal office again, loses his Secret Service protection, pension, health care insurance, and funds for an office and presidential library. Cuts off a huge income stream.
Chetan Murthy
@Kent: If there were enough vaccines, I’d agree with her. But there aren’t (yet). And won’t be for a long time (sadly). I mean, we want our mom to get vaccinated as soon as possible, but the earliest is probably late Feb. Can’t delay these lifeline payments that long. Honestly, people needed ’em last week.
Geminid
@jl: I think there still can be a trial after trump leaves office. Consequences would be mostly symbolic except that he could be barred from further office. But now I see Mary G has got the real scoop.
MisterForkbeard
@The Limper: His one point that makes sense here is that he thinks Impeachment is kind of a trap that will backfire on Dems. I don’t agree with it, but here’s the argument:
Trump did a lot of bad stuff. But once he’s gone (or neutralized and about to be gone) it makes them vulnerable to charges of vengeance and so on while the country is suffering through Covid and so on. Basically, that it runs the risk of derailing a bunch of good things and that Dems will get blamed.
Again, don’t agree and I think it’s necessary. But I do think that’s valid.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@LeftCoastYankee: Yes, how clueless does that guy get. Wednesday maybe have been the stupidest coup ever with no chance in hell of succeeding, but it still was a coup. It’s pretty clear the hard core Trumpest are also hell bent on wrecking any attempt to get the pandemic under control.
Kent
@Chetan Murthy: she was joking. But she is also a primary care doc and right now wasting time dealing with idiot nurses who are skeptical of the covid vaccine because of bullshit they read on the internet. These are RNs with 4-year degrees in non-MAGA Washington State. She is sick and tired of the bullshit.
She is like “let’s stop wasting time and just put out massive 24/7 drive through covid vaccine sites and push it out as fast as it arrives in this state and stop dicking around with who meets what complicated criteria for being 3rd in line and such” There shouldn’t be any vaccine sitting around overnight.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@jl: It’d be the same Congress, so no problem.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Kent: I don’t need to be bribed to get jabbed, I’ll be first in line when they offer. But I do need the cash.
Kent
I actually agree with Judis. Impeachment is a trial not an up or down vote and the Trump people and assholes like Cruz will drag it out for days or weeks.
We are basically fucked and have to hope that the white house and pentagon have bubble wrapped him and sheltered the levers of power from his worst impulses. Like if he wants to bomb Iran the Pentagon comes back with. We are right on it sir, but we need 5 days to clear out our assets in Tehran and another 6 days to re-position our carrier fleet to avoid the fallout and our treaties require us to consult with allies to avoid breaking international law so that will take some time but we will be right back here with the final decision memo with the final GO/NO-GO decision for you as soon as we can. Bureaucracies can move slow when they want to. I used to work in one.
Martin
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: That ‘odd’ was much more sarcastic in my head than came across in the post.
Chetan Murthy
@Kent:
She’s right about this. And if there’s extra vax in your area, I’m quite sure that it would be easy to get it into arms: just advertise on NextDoor, and wait for the thrum of pounding feet, eh? Here in SF, I’m quite sure that they’d be oversubscribed in seconds.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@MisterForkbeard: After the last 9 months of watching folk about masking, the only thing some folk understand in punitive measures. Trump and the Republicans are in that group. Unless they get kicked in the pants and HARD, they’ll keep on doing this shit. We tried “look forward not back” before, and here we are.
Martin
@VeniceRiley: Yeah, CEO of a digital marketing company. This is turning out to be an insurrection of privileged white people that seem to think that overthrowing the government will earn them some points on their license and a small fine.
If Biden is serious about racial justice, they’ll be charged as if they were jihadists.
EmbraceYourInnerCrone
@rikyrah: oh no. That’s terrible
not commenting about any of the rest of this right now. Sixth person at work just tested positive. And I am one day post op from surgery and can not deal with the news right now. I hear about from my husband anyway. We are both military retirees (Navy) and he is so angry I am afraid for his health.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Kent: That’s not the point, as I noted above, there needs to be a penalty for trying to overthrow the government. If there’s no penalty for that, then we might as well just give up and let Trump be King. As far as Ted Cruz goes, the first order of business when the Dems take over is to expel Ted, everybody hates him anyway.
Kent
I had the chance to hang out with the marine embassy guards in Guatemala when I was in the Peace Corps in the 80s. They had a massive block-long gated luxury compound a couple blocks from the embassy in a posh section of Guatemala City. It was like a big frat house with a big weight room and pool and with hired cooks and maids. They spent all their time working out and watching TV and playing video games when they weren’t on duty. They would hold big parties but for security reasons I think only Americans would show up so they were always inviting Peace Corps girls to go hang out at the pool and they would bring us guys with them.
I don’t think those guys really ever got out of their compound. They weren’t exactly driving around the country in jeeps doing development work with campesinos and learning about Guatemalan culture.
Martin
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Cruz and Hawley won’t be expelled. They won’t get the ⅔ votes needed. Same for the ones in the House.
Garland needs to charge them with sedition.
Mary G
@EmbraceYourInnerCrone: I hope you can rest and stay safe. Hoping for a swift recovery.
MisterForkbeard
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Right, though I think maybe some other kind of punitive measure might conceivably work. We already know we can’t (and couldn’t ever, apparently) have gotten the impeachment through before Trump leaves.
Is there any alternative? Can’t hit him with a bill of attainder. Maybe request a special prosecutor?
Chetan Murthy
@Martin:
Well, that always was his base, right? His voters had an average income that was higher than Hillary or Biden voters. The whole “white working class” was just “white uneducated”. One-truck contractors, owners of a few restaurants, car salesmen, etc. It was always clear that they weren’t all that poor.
EmbraceYourInnerCrone
@Mary G: thank you. It’s kinda messed up that I am happy to be on short term disability for two months so I don t have to go to work but there it is…I may end up blocking some relatives because of the coup. Not listening to the Can t we all get along people anymore
lgerard
@Mary G:
He is sitting on a 250 million dollar leadership PAC that he grifted n 2 months and can use for all those things (except running for office) so I am sure he feels he came out ahead. Only losers go to libraries anyway.
Another great deal made by trump!
ballerat
@Adam L Silverman: Does Biden have any power/authority/ability in how security arrangements are handled or who is providing it for the inauguration? It seems like an extreme risk for him and Kamala Harris. it seems a perfect setup to get at them both — as well as many others on some RWNJ’s death list.
I assume as Biden is not the president he would have no power or authority regarding security until he is sworn in.
Danielx
@MisterForkbeard:
Is necessary, and if positions were reversed Republicans wouldn’t waited around for any 25th amendment bullshit. They would have filed impeachment articles in the same session that ratified electoral college votes. Fuck a bunch of noise about violating norms, other more urgent business, etc.
And they would be right. A complete spinner has control of 1,750 nuclear weapons any of which he can deploy at will at his sole command, and there is nobody to say him nay. There is no more urgent business than getting him out of that position as soon as possible.
Chetan Murthy
@ballerat:
The Fucker was trying to gin up participants for another try at autogolpe on the 17th: that’s what moved Twitter to perma-ban him. Yeap, I agree 100% with you, and I cannot fathom why Biden would want a public open-air inauguration. Or why he would allow for himself and VP-elect Harris to be in the same place at the same time (or with Speaker Pelosi) until after they’ve had a chance to take firm control of the government and ensure that their own people are in place.
It’s a really, really dangerous time.
Kent
@Chetan Murthy: Under the constitution, if Biden is assassinated before the 20th then Harris becomes president. If they are both killed then Pelosi becomes president. There is no legal pathway for Trump to retain power past the 20th no matter what the crazies do. He is done.
In any event, the Secret Service is not the Capitol Police. They know what the fuck they are about.
Chetan Murthy
@Kent: One thing Shitler is good at, is dragging along his co-conspirators until they pass a threshold of criminality, and they can’t go back. I can imagine him trying to assassinate enough of our incoming chain of command, that his GrOPer allies are forced to go along with him in a coup. I mean, the Constitution is so much toilet paper to him.
patrick II
@Mary G:
Not as good as Tammie Fae used to do.
ballerat
@Kent: There’s not enough of them. And not all of them are reliable.
Sloane Ranger
@Kent: When I was growing up we had a US Master Sergeant from a nearby US base and his family move into a house in our street.
This caused quite a stir as, despite the size and nearness of the base, no-one remembered anything like that happening before.
I remember my Mum talking to his wife who said they always liked to get to know the country they were posted to and living among the population was a quick and easy start but most of her husband’s colleagues thought they were nuts!
raven
@cope: We ate there two years ago when we were on a fishing trip in the Everglades.
raven
@Kent: The Marine Hostages in Iran lifted weights and did other PT their whole time in captivity and they came out as good as they went in.
EriktheRed
@Cheryl Rofer: Horse already left the barn on this one.
Chief Oshkosh
@Adam L Silverman: Sure would be nice for a few alphabet agencies like DOJ/FBI, IRS, etc. to fully examine all activities of these groups.
trnc
A trial is not required. McConnell was reported to consider whether or not to hold a trial last year. Ultimately, in standard cynical fashion, he chose to but with no witnesses. The majority controls the process, so Cruz will have his 5 minutes. If the senate actually takes it up while Mitch is still in control, I doubt he’ll want a circus.
trnc
I assume the transition team is responsible for security and has the authority they need to set it up.
I wonder if it would be better to have DT there for security insurance, but they’d have to put him in a soundproof plexiglass box with a curtain they could drop when he starts trying to get attention.
Gvg
@HumboldtBlue: I think twitter had already said way back, that it would hand over to whomever was elected on nov 20th. They considered it government property.
Betty
@Adam L Silverman: What a dangerous network.
J R in WV
@marcopolo:
Speak for yourself! I lurves my Valentine’s day red undies? /S
. . . . . . . . . . ;~)
For the Record… I don’t have any red underwares at all… just couldn’t resist a shot for humor in a week like this.
WeimarGerman
@Danielx: Again, not trying to minimize what he did, just sharing more, hopefully reliable, information I heard that CNN reported an eyewitness account of their own reporter. Maybe I should not have mentioned it at all. There’s plenty of awful to go around.