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Dear Friend Lisa

by $8 blue check mistermix|  January 8, 20214:52 pm| 163 Comments

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A woman who won a write-in election in Alaska and is going to run in a state that just passed ranked-choice voting has different motivations from other Senators, so I’ll take this seriously:

U.S. Sen. Lisa Murkowski said Friday that Donald Trump should resign the presidency immediately and that if the Republican Party cannot separate itself from Trump, she isn’t certain she has a future with the party.

“I want him to resign. I want him out. He has caused enough damage,” Murkowski said during a 17-minute interview from her small Capitol office, steps away from the Senate chambers that were invaded by pro-Trump rioters on Wednesday.

George Conway of the Lincoln Project thinks that there are 67 votes for impeachment in the Senate. Make of that what you will, and if you look at the articles that were just posted, they would bar Trump from holding further office, so Hawley and Cruz are certain to vote “Yea”.

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  1. 1.

    David Anderson

    January 8, 2021 at 4:55 pm

    Also note that Alaska just changed their electoral system to ranked choice voting among the top 4 candidates that come out of a jungle primary.

     

    https://ballotpedia.org/Alaska_Ballot_Measure_2,_Top-Four_Ranked-Choice_Voting_and_Campaign_Finance_Laws_Initiative_(2020)

     

    Sen. Murkowski can easily win re-election with that rule set no matter what letter is after her name

  2. 2.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 8, 2021 at 4:55 pm

    I have to think that any Republican voting for the impeachment of trump is doing so only out of self interest in the hopes of removing the trump stink.

  3. 3.

    Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix

    January 8, 2021 at 4:57 pm

    @David Anderson: Thanks, updated the post.

  4. 4.

    Baud

    January 8, 2021 at 4:57 pm

    All Trump had to do was become a lame duck and then attempt to kill all of them in a coup.

    We are all Juicers now.

  5. 5.

    Tom Levenson

    January 8, 2021 at 4:57 pm

    Just pulled my snarky little post so as not to large-pedal-extremity this one. Will repost in an hour.

  6. 6.

    The Moar You Know

    January 8, 2021 at 4:58 pm

    She’s gettable.  As in declaring herself an Independent and caucusing with the Dems.  I think we can cut her and her state a better deal than the GOP has.  Hope Schumer is smart enough to figure this out and work on her.

  7. 7.

    Served

    January 8, 2021 at 4:58 pm

    Lots of people are going vie to be #50 on a lot of votes in this Senate

  8. 8.

    Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix

    January 8, 2021 at 4:58 pm

    @Tom Levenson: Sorry didn’t see that you were working on something.  I’ve gotten nothing done but post on B-J since Wed PM.

  9. 9.

    The Moar You Know

    January 8, 2021 at 4:59 pm

    I have to think that any Republican voting for the impeachment of trump is doing so only out of self interest in the hopes of removing the trump stink.

    @OzarkHillbilly: Fine.  I’ll take that deal right now.

  10. 10.

    NotMax

    January 8, 2021 at 4:59 pm

    Ms Murkowski, Jim Jeffords is probably listed in the phone book. Suggest calling him up and having a chat.

  11. 11.

    dr. bloor

    January 8, 2021 at 4:59 pm

    Murkowski runs neck-and-neck with Collins in the Political Biathlon Olympics, which combines “Dithering Concern” with “Caving During Voting.”  The fact that she might earn some “redemption” by dumping Trump now that he’s used up ain’t worth shit.

  12. 12.

    Frankensteinbeck

    January 8, 2021 at 4:59 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Probably?  But it is a serious consideration that some were scared out of their $%&*#! minds Wednesday and have ill will towards Trump now and wish to permanently get rid of the man who might try this again.  Some others will be terrified of resisting someone who might try that again.  This is why Republicans are scared of their base.  Their base are angry assholes.

  13. 13.

    Wapiti

    January 8, 2021 at 4:59 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: Pretty much. I’ll take their vote. They can keep the stink from their last vote.

  14. 14.

    Calouste

    January 8, 2021 at 4:59 pm

    If Hawley and Cruz vote to bar the shitgibbon from further office, someone should whisper in Rubio’s ear about the possibilities that open up when Hawley and Cruz are expelled from the Senate.

  15. 15.

    Wapiti

    January 8, 2021 at 5:01 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: If they’d let the FBI treat right wing domestic terrorists as such, they’d be safer.

  16. 16.

    Cheryl Rofer

    January 8, 2021 at 5:02 pm

    Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski: "If the Republican Party has become nothing more than the party of Trump, I sincerely question whether this is the party for me."

    by @AK_OK https://t.co/00F3B109wL

    — Mike Baker (@ByMikeBaker) January 8, 2021

  17. 17.

    NotMax

    January 8, 2021 at 5:03 pm

    The chickensh*ts have come home to roost.

  18. 18.

    Tom Levenson

    January 8, 2021 at 5:03 pm

    @Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix: wasn’t doing anything worth making way for. And certainly not a post that will suffer for a little delay.

  19. 19.

    Frank Wilhoit

    January 8, 2021 at 5:05 pm

    Only one thing is changing.  For the past not-quite five years, Donald Trump has been the definitive metonymy for opposition to the Democratic Party and its constituencies.  Now that is fading — still fairly slowly, accelerating, but still just slowly enough to create a little confusion as to whether it is really happening.

    The key to the present moment is Pence refusing to talk to Pelosi or Schumer.  This is also why impeachment still will not lead to conviction, because if it did, that would be giving the Democrats a scalp.  And that is what they cannot and will not do.  That is all they care about.

  20. 20.

    NotMax

    January 8, 2021 at 5:05 pm

    @dr. bloor

    Collin doesn’t even possess the courage of her conniptions.

  21. 21.

    Ken

    January 8, 2021 at 5:06 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: Armed angry assholes. Who’ve already shown what they’re willing to do for Trump.  Adds an extra degree of difficulty to the Republicans’ political calculations, doesn’t it?

  22. 22.

    NotMax

    January 8, 2021 at 5:07 pm

    Would McConnell reconvene the Senate?

    Magic 8-ball sez: “Are you effin’ kidding me?”

  23. 23.

    Brachiator

    January 8, 2021 at 5:09 pm

    George Conway of the Lincoln Project thinks that there are 67 votes for impeachment in the Senate.

    … 67 votes for conviction, not “impeachment.”

    They probably should give Trump a chance to resign. Might be easier.

  24. 24.

    Tim C.

    January 8, 2021 at 5:09 pm

    @Frank Wilhoit: So we make them own Trump.  No having it both ways.    And then we tell America that these moral and physical cowards wouldn’t vote to remove a man who sent a mob to kill them personally.

  25. 25.

    Jinchi

    January 8, 2021 at 5:11 pm

    The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Middle District of Tennessee confirmed the FBI visited the homes of former House Speaker Glen Casada, R-Franklin; Rep. Robin Smith, R-Hixson; Rep. Todd Warner, R-Chapel Hill; and former Casada aide Cade Cothren.

    https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2021/01/08/fbi-agents-search-offices-multiple-tennessee-republicans-capitol/6593526002

  26. 26.

    Kent

    January 8, 2021 at 5:12 pm

    @dr. bloor:Murkowski runs neck-and-neck with Collins in the Political Biathlon Olympics, which combines “Dithering Concern” with “Caving During Voting.”  The fact that she might earn some “redemption” by dumping Trump now that he’s used up ain’t worth shit.

    No, she is better than Collins.  Alaska is a bright red state.   What Murkowski has been doing in Alaska is waging a decade-long battle with the tea party and MAGA crazies in the rail belt for the soul of the Republican party.   Collins is from a blue state and has done NONE of that.

    Would Murkowski go Independent and caucus with the Dems?  Maybe so in exchange for immense power and perks for Alaska.  Mostly they want to keep the oil money flowing for as long as possible.   But there are also other issues like a long-simmering fisheries war between Alaskan and Seattle-based fishing interests for control of Bering Sea fisheries profits.

    If we are going to have a Republican party in the future (and I expect we will) I’d rather it be run by the likes of Murkowski than her crazy colleagues like Marsha Blackburn or Cindy Hyde Smith, who are from states that are no more red than Alaska.

    I expect that Trump and MAGA is a giant step too far for Murkowski and she is probably looking at the direction of where the party is going to be going in the future before making any such decision.  If it is the party of Hawley and Cruz she might be gone.  If it is the party of Romney, Sasse (and even McConnell) then she probably stays.

  27. 27.

    narya

    January 8, 2021 at 5:13 pm

    In other unrelated personal news: I was able to get vaccinated today! Agency opened it up to front line staff first–as appropriate–but yesterday opened it up to others, and I jumped on it. Still two months before I will regard myself as any more protected than I was when I woke up this morning–and I will maintain mask-wearing even after that–but damn. Months earlier than I thought would be possible

    ETA: I do wish I could have somehow given my spot to some grocery store worker, but it doesn’t work that way, unfortunately. At least I’ll be less likely to infect them.

  28. 28.

    Mary G

    January 8, 2021 at 5:13 pm

    WaPo has good coronavirus treatment news:

    Two rheumatoid arthritis drugs that suppress the immune system may help critically ill patients survive covid-19, providing a benefit even on top of the steroids that have been doctors’ main tools in treating the most serious cases of illness, according to a new study released Thursday before peer review.

    British regulators cited the new results as they promptly approved the two drugs, tocilizumab and sarilumab, for use in patients in intensive care units. The relative risk of death was reduced by 24 percent when given to people within 24 hours of admission, the data showed.

    The more weapons in the armory the better. They are expensive, but the makers say in the article that the price could be lower for covid19. Volume discount! (good PR).

  29. 29.

    hueyplong

    January 8, 2021 at 5:15 pm

    Really important to make the GOP own whatever Trump does between now and Jan 20.  Sending impeachment to the Senate makes them own his actions.

    My 2 cents on Murkowski is that she has hated Trump every day for 4 years but has voted like a regular Republican.  She’s not gettable in a caucusing sense but is gettable in a bill by bill voting sense, so long as the matter is centrist.  In other words, she won’t be a McConnell obstructionist, but that’s about it.

  30. 30.

    Another Scott

    January 8, 2021 at 5:16 pm

    @NotMax: I don’t think the rules have changed much since this:

    II. RULES OF PROCEDURE AND PRACTICE IN THE SENATE WHEN SITTING ON IMPEACHMENT TRIALS

    I. Whensoever the Senate shall receive notice from the
    House of Representatives that managers are appointed on their
    part to conduct an impeachment against any person and are
    directed to carry articles of impeachment to the Senate, the
    Secretary of the Senate shall immediately inform the House of
    Representatives that the Senate is ready to receive the
    managers for the purpose of exhibiting such articles of
    impeachment, agreeably to such notice.

    II. When the managers of an impeachment shall be introduced
    at the bar of the Senate and shall signify that they are ready
    to exhibit articles of impeachment against any person, the
    Presiding Officer of the Senate shall direct the Sergeant at
    Arms to make proclamation, who shall, after making
    proclamation, repeat the following words, viz: “All persons
    are commanded to keep silence, on pain of imprisonment, while
    the House of Representatives is exhibiting to the Senate of the
    United States articles of impeachment against —— —— ”;
    after which the articles shall be exhibited, and then the
    Presiding Officer of the Senate shall inform the managers that
    the Senate will take proper order on the subject of the
    impeachment, of which due notice shall be given to the House of
    Representatives.

    III. Upon such articles being presented to the Senate, the
    Senate shall, at 1 o’clock after noon of the day (Sunday
    excepted) following such presentation, or sooner if ordered by
    the Senate, proceed to the consideration of such articles and
    shall continue in session from day to day (Sundays excepted)
    after the trial shall commence (unless otherwise ordered by the
    Senate) until final judgment shall be rendered, and so much
    longer as may, in its judgment, be needful. Before proceeding
    to the consideration of the articles of impeachment, the
    Presiding Officer shall administer the oath hereinafter
    provided to the Members of the Senate then present and to the
    other Members of the Senate as they shall appear, whose duty it
    shall be to take the same.

    Moscow Mitch can’t sit on it. He might be able to drag out the timeline a bit.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  31. 31.

    Jinchi

    January 8, 2021 at 5:16 pm

    @narya: I was able to get vaccinated today!

    Best news of the day.

  32. 32.

    citizen dave (aka mad citizen)

    January 8, 2021 at 5:17 pm

    @Tim C.: It’s all too late.  The only ones with significant amounts of self-respect on that side are Lincoln Project Never Trumper types.  Even Mitt is stained, very stained, as far as I’m concerned.  It’s too bad W’s comment “That was some weird shit” wasn’t widely reported on 1/20/2016.

  33. 33.

    Baud

    January 8, 2021 at 5:18 pm

    Via Reddit

    Stuck in a plane full of Trump supporters leaving D.C.

  34. 34.

    Mary G

    January 8, 2021 at 5:18 pm

    I think Lisa still holds a grudge against the party for letting her get primaried by a nutcase and making her run as an independent.

    Vengeance is a dish best served cold

     

    ETA: It’s Mary G

    The cat changed my nym standing in front of my face telling me to get off the internet. I made a to-do list of 5 things on Sunday to achieve on Monday and I’ve crossed off exactly one of them.

  35. 35.

    trollhattan

    January 8, 2021 at 5:18 pm

    @narya:

    Wow, what a relief. Happy for you!

  36. 36.

    trollhattan

    January 8, 2021 at 5:19 pm

    @Baud:

    It’s a beautiful thing.

    /Martha Stewart voice

  37. 37.

    sab

    January 8, 2021 at 5:21 pm

    OT: I don’t want to be an accent bigot, but I will be so happy to hear Delaware instead of NYC outer boroughs. I  didn’t have an opinion about that accent before Trump. Now it makes my skin crawl.

    ETA And I know that lots of jackals I admire have it.

    Kind of like my Irish American husband watching  British tv. Takes an effort of will to move beyond the accent. But it can be done.

    And my aunt from Queens never got over her accent after 40 years in Ohio, was a saint, and was my favorite person ever including my parents.

  38. 38.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 8, 2021 at 5:22 pm

    @citizen dave (aka mad citizen):

     It’s too bad W’s comment “That was some weird shit” wasn’t widely reported on 1/20/2016.

    Eh, 1/20/2017.  I heard about Shrub’s comment at the time.

  39. 39.

    VeniceRiley

    January 8, 2021 at 5:23 pm

    While everyone is distracted, the Wisconsin GOP is making its move:https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2021/01/08/gop-eyes-bill-to-reallocate-wisconsins-electoral-votes-by-congressional-district/

  40. 40.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    January 8, 2021 at 5:24 pm

    I thought Conway’s remark about having 67 votes for impeachment was sort of tongue-in-cheek based on the last impeachment followed by Wednesday’s events.

    Even so, I’m optimistic which isn’t a normal stance for me.

  41. 41.

    trollhattan

    January 8, 2021 at 5:24 pm

    @Mary G:

    That is good news, not just for patients but to also clear ICU space by speeding their discharge. Our county dashboard accounts for ICU space and the COVID count has been creeping upward, now at a quarter of usage and about a fifth of capacity. Better than LA but concerning as a trend.

  42. 42.

    ISA

    January 8, 2021 at 5:25 pm

    @Baud: I wish I hadn’t read quite a ways down the comments to that and nobody mentioned that she was probably scared to death.

  43. 43.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    January 8, 2021 at 5:25 pm

    @Baud: That Covid ain’t gonna spread itself.

  44. 44.

    Baud

    January 8, 2021 at 5:27 pm

    @VeniceRiley:

    That would end Wisconsin as a swing state.  I bet the local media will oppose losing all that campaign ad money.

  45. 45.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    January 8, 2021 at 5:27 pm

    Any word from Karl Rove about his permanent Republican majority?

  46. 46.

    Ken

    January 8, 2021 at 5:27 pm

    @Jinchi: the FBI visited the homes of former House Speaker Glen Casada, R-Franklin; Rep. Robin Smith, R-Hixson; Rep. Todd Warner, R-Chapel Hill

    Wow, the Antifa infiltration of the Republican party is bigger than I thought.

  47. 47.

    SeanM

    January 8, 2021 at 5:28 pm

    Quick question to show off my ignorance. Do we really want Trump impeached? Granted he can’t run for office again (which will most likely help certain congressmen immensely) but Pence will immediately pardon him and Trump will most likely pardon the seditionists on his way out.

     

    If Trump stays in office and tries to pardon himself he has a much greater chance at facing true justice later on.

     

    Which is better?

  48. 48.

    Calouste

    January 8, 2021 at 5:30 pm

    @Another Scott:

    All persons
    are commanded to keep silence, on pain of imprisonment

    Any bets that either Hawley or Cruz won’t keep their gob shut?

  49. 49.

    Fair Economist

    January 8, 2021 at 5:30 pm

    @Kent:

    If we are going to have a Republican party in the future (and I expect we will) I’d rather it be run by the likes of Murkowski than her crazy colleagues like Marsha Blackburn or Cindy Hyde Smith, who are from states that are no more red than Alaska.

    Me too, but based on the Republican electorate I don’t think that’s possible anymore. The crazies have the Repub party for at least a generation and Murkowski will have to figure out where she goes. I think she’d be electorally stronger as a conservative caucusing with the Democrats because the Democrats still tolerate dissent while the Republicans are totalitarian now (see the trumpsters harrassing Lindsey at the airport.)

  50. 50.

    Jerzy Russian

    January 8, 2021 at 5:30 pm

    @Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix:   

     I’ve gotten nothing done but post on B-J since Wed PM.

     

    And I have gotten nothing done reading these and other posts and their comments.

  51. 51.

    Mary G

    January 8, 2021 at 5:31 pm

    Look at these dickheads refusing to take and wear masks while hiding from insurrectionists:

    look at these fucking assholes refusing @RepLBR's request to wear masks in her office during a terrorist attack. pic.twitter.com/2TiglimJFw— Florida Chris (@chrislongview) January 8, 2021

    They need to be named and shamed. Is the blond the new one with the gun fetish?

  52. 52.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    January 8, 2021 at 5:32 pm

    @Calouste: I dunno. Rubio is held in much contempt by the Trump base. And he’d have some issues in a general election for various reasons, one of which is the dumbass tweeting Bible verses while an insurrection was taking place.

  53. 53.

    hueyplong

    January 8, 2021 at 5:33 pm

    @Mary G: Brunette is gun fetishist.  Blonde is the one who shoots herself exercising in her hotel room while complaining that the gyms have been closed by cuck Dems

    Feel kinda dirty knowing this.

  54. 54.

    burnspbesq

    January 8, 2021 at 5:33 pm

    @Ken:

    Adds an extra degree of difficulty to the Republicans’ political calculations, doesn’t it?

    Indeed. Ask Lindsey Graham about his fun time at the airport today. Hard-core Trumpers want a bloodbath.

  55. 55.

    sab

    January 8, 2021 at 5:34 pm

    My stepson actually was antifa. They aren’t organized. He was a racially tolerant punk who beat up racist punks on the weekend. That was a big part of his life for about ten years. Got him his amazing fiance so worth it.

  56. 56.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 8, 2021 at 5:34 pm

    @Mary G: This is why we can’t have nice things.

  57. 57.

    Baud

    January 8, 2021 at 5:36 pm

    @sab:

    Was the fiance antifa too?

  58. 58.

    Fair Economist

    January 8, 2021 at 5:36 pm

    @Mary G: There are theories about now that long COVID is autoimmune, so the rheumatoid arthritis drugs might help prevent that. The problem is that COVID does such an extreme takeover of cells that it causes a very extreme immune reaction, and extreme (or prolonged) immune reactions can cause a phenomenon called “epitope spreading” where the immune system starts reaction to other proteins in the area of the immune targets. Good for parasites, but problematic when all the “other” proteins are actually self.

  59. 59.

    sdhays

    January 8, 2021 at 5:36 pm

    @citizen dave (aka mad citizen): If W had wanted it widely discussed, he had the ability to do that. He really can’t be bothered.

  60. 60.

    citizen dave (aka mad citizen)

    January 8, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I thought that might happen (someone correcting me).  I may have heard about it here since I was a new juicer then.  I stand humbled and corrected.

    Hearing trump talking.  Today was the day he truly became president.  What a uniter, ready to enable a smooth transition.

  61. 61.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    January 8, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    @sab: Giving benefit of doubt they don’t deserve, I think Republicans think Antifa are anarchists because both start with “a” and neither can dress for shit.

  62. 62.

    sab

    January 8, 2021 at 5:38 pm

    @Baud: Just punk. Orphaned at age 16 and supported herself ever since. Lovely amazing girl.

  63. 63.

    Geoduck

    January 8, 2021 at 5:38 pm

    @Frank Wilhoit: Weelll… Along with Sticking It To The Libs, they also care about their own hides, and the Shiatgibbon did just try to get them all killed. It’s no sure thing, but that might be enough of an incentive for some of them.

  64. 64.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 8, 2021 at 5:38 pm

    @sdhays: As I noted above, I’d heard about his comment at the time.  It was also in Hillary’s book “What Happened”.

  65. 65.

    Mary G

    January 8, 2021 at 5:44 pm

    @Fair Economist: I have RA and agree that Covid sounds like RA times a billion. I even used to take hydroxychloroquine before Trump hijacked it.

     

    ETA:? The outraged response to this in the comments!

    President Trump will not attend the inauguration of Joe Biden and that is the correct call. If he did attend, Mr. Trump would draw attention away from the new President and the traditional event. Mr. Trump should, however, issue a gracious statement of congratulations.— Bill O’Reilly (@BillOReilly) January 8, 2021

  66. 66.

    Ken

    January 8, 2021 at 5:44 pm

    @Calouste: Any bets that either Hawley or Cruz won’t keep their gob shut?

    My hope is that some of the Republican Senators will come up with an excuse for not attending the trial – trying to thread the needle between Trumpists and the rest of the country. Then, since the Constitution says “two thirds of the members present“…

    (Of course anyone capable of thought would recognize that not attending to vote for Trump will anger the cult just as much as voting against him. But that still leaves a fair percentage of the R caucus who might try it.)

  67. 67.

    Anya

    January 8, 2021 at 5:45 pm

    While I am all for recriminations flying directed towards republicans, the way pundits and journalists are pretending like they had no role in all of this really gets my goat! I almost throw something at my tv when Nicole Wallace’s media panel were all like, “we are shocked. Ted Cruz is bad. Hawley is bad.”

  68. 68.

    Kent

    January 8, 2021 at 5:46 pm

    @Baud:

    @VeniceRiley:

    That would end Wisconsin as a swing state.  I bet the local media will oppose losing all that campaign ad money.

    It also means that they are surrendering the idea of winning WI in the future.  They must see polling data or info that we don’t see.  Because from this long distance away, WI still looks pretty damn winnable by a non-Trump candidate.

  69. 69.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    January 8, 2021 at 5:46 pm

    @Fair Economist: As someone with a variety of autoimmune disorders caused by an overactive immune system, including vitiligo, thyroid disease, celiac disease and arthralgia, I’ve often wondered if that’s good for Covid or bad for Covid.

  70. 70.

    Ken

    January 8, 2021 at 5:47 pm

    @citizen dave (aka mad citizen): Hearing trump talking.

    Are you stuck in a waiting room and can’t turn off the TV?

  71. 71.

    Ms. Deranged in AZ

    January 8, 2021 at 5:49 pm

    @Fair Economist:  I don’t know if it’s related, but I had a case of what is called reactive rheumatoid basically I woke up one morning and couldn’t stand up straight cuz my back seemed to have just stopped working and it was extremely painful. Come to find out that I had strep a few weeks before and gotten over it but my body overreacted and continued to attack proteins and bones and everything and cause me to have rheumatoid like symptoms. So essentially I had all the symptoms of rheumatoid arthritis but I didn’t actually have it. Hence the reactive rheumatoid. This sounds very similar.

    Edited to add: this kind of thing has a genetic component. I had a nephew just a few months before me who had a very similar thing. He had a episode of strep his body overreacted and kept attacking himself and ended up with reactive rheumatoid unfortunately he was not able to get his under control quick enough and he is permanently disabled as a result.

  72. 72.

    sdhays

    January 8, 2021 at 5:50 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Oh, I remember it. But the fact that it wasn’t a bigger deal was W’s choice. Because he’s completely checked out, and never really cared all that much about the country in the first place. He got his 2 terms, showed up his dad, and now he’s on the permanent vacation all rich people should be on.

  73. 73.

    dmsilev

    January 8, 2021 at 5:50 pm

    Latest draft of the articles of impeachment that will be formally introduced on Monday includes one article: “incitement of insurrection.” Reps. Cicilline, Lieu and Raskin are taking the lead pic.twitter.com/DUaVALWgzM
    — Manu Raju (@mkraju) January 8, 2021

  74. 74.

    Dan B

    January 8, 2021 at 5:51 pm

    @burnspbesq: I’m reminded of the report that the rioters had plans to capture Pence and hang him. Lindsey is lucky the airport crowd wasn’t a lynch mob.

  75. 75.

    Mary G

    January 8, 2021 at 5:51 pm

    Twitter has banned pro-Trump cartoonist Ben Garrison pic.twitter.com/kIwNDnllkg— Will Sommer (@willsommer) January 8, 2021

    Twitter has kicked off a post-riot purge of QAnon promoters by banning Sidney Powell and Michael Flynn. https://t.co/DP8hVG7zvp— Will Sommer (@willsommer) January 8, 2021

  76. 76.

    trnc

    January 8, 2021 at 5:53 pm

    @citizen dave (aka mad citizen): It’s too bad W’s comment “That was some weird shit” wasn’t widely reported on 1/20/2016.

    It kinda was (2017, of course), but no one cared because repubs had more or less memory holed him after they discovered all of the crap that he did that they fully supported was unpopular.

  77. 77.

    Anya

    January 8, 2021 at 5:53 pm

    @dr. bloor: Murkowski voted against Kavanaugh so she’s way better than Collins. Susan Collins is the worst. Absolute worst and I will never understand why she was won.

  78. 78.

    citizen dave (aka mad citizen)

    January 8, 2021 at 5:55 pm

    @Ken: No, sometimes I turn on the DW newscast which plays on our PBS station at 5:30.  DW is like the German version of RT, only, you know, more based in reality.  They intercut trump’s clips from the Wed rally with today–quite a contrast.

  79. 79.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    January 8, 2021 at 5:55 pm

    @Dan B: Lindsey Graham would LOVE it if the last thing said about him was that he was hung.

  80. 80.

    patrick II

    January 8, 2021 at 5:58 pm

    Has anyone seen Jared lately?

  81. 81.

    Anya

    January 8, 2021 at 5:58 pm

    @VeniceRiley: If they reallocate it by congressional district wouldn’t that still mean the bigger cities get more based on population and rural areas get fucked?

  82. 82.

    Anya

    January 8, 2021 at 5:59 pm

    @patrick II: Supposedly was out of the country doing “mideast  peace” stuff.

  83. 83.

    rikyrah

    January 8, 2021 at 6:00 pm

    @narya:

    Yeah?????

  84. 84.

    trnc

    January 8, 2021 at 6:00 pm

    @hueyplong:

    Brunette is gun fetishist. Blonde is the one who shoots herself exercising in her hotel room while complaining that the gyms have been closed by cuck Dems

    The price of being a jackal, my friend.

    Feel kinda dirty knowing this.

  85. 85.

    Subsole

    January 8, 2021 at 6:01 pm

    @Anya: If nothing is examined, nothing need be learned.

    If nothing is learned, nothing need be changed.

    Our national media is run by the 80’s version of the Soviet Nuclear Energy Committee.

  86. 86.

    Baud

    January 8, 2021 at 6:01 pm

    @Anya:

    Like seeking asylum?

  87. 87.

    Frank Wilhoit

    January 8, 2021 at 6:01 pm

    @Tim C.:  You raise a broader point.  You can’t “make” anyone “own” anything that they don’t care about.  You must first understand what is important to them — delusional or vile though that may be.

  88. 88.

    Subsole

    January 8, 2021 at 6:03 pm

    @Mary G: Well, Jack finally got off his ass.

    Must not be any money left in the internet.

    Fucking leech.

    No, strike that. Leeches have medical utility.

    Fucking mosquito.

  89. 89.

    MisterForkbeard

    January 8, 2021 at 6:03 pm

    @Anya: No. It means it’ll be gerrymandered to hell and back, which is what’s already happening.

    That’s why under this new bill, Dems would have gotten 4 and Republicans 6 votes. And why the Wisconsin state and federal delegations are heavily republican in spite of Democrats getting equal or more vote share.

  90. 90.

    Anya

    January 8, 2021 at 6:05 pm

    @Baud: Grifting and doing corruption probably

  91. 91.

    Martin

    January 8, 2021 at 6:05 pm

    @NotMax: I’m pretty sure he will.

    McConnell can DIAF, but he was not on board with any of this. He did legitimately try and talk everyone down this week.

    Now, none of this could have been avoided a year ago by removing him from office, it could have been avoided by expelling Cruz and Hawley weeks ago, there are lots of thing he could have done to have avoided this, but McConnell never encouraged it, and with his wife resigning, I have to think that at a minimum he will be neutral on this – he’ll convene the Senate and allow a vote. He doesn’t want to be a co-conspirator here.

  92. 92.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    January 8, 2021 at 6:08 pm

    I’d love to understand FB’s rules for determining who is violating community standards and who isn’t. I got a 30 day suspension for telling a rightwinger who was calling me names and telling me that one can’t believe the fake news (of a local newspaper), “You have an overactive imagination coupled with a lack of critical thinking skills.” To be fair, that was my fifth offense in the last few months. One of the other offenses was calling someone a fool. Literally, “You are a fool.” That one got me three days.

    So after that, I reported this public comment (directed at someone else, not me) as hate speech:

    “I will not waste my data on you because you are a hungry Latino. I am sure you are one of the unemployed waiting for a stimulus cheque. Go back to Mexico, did you come into America legally through the right channel? Maybe you swam across or climbed through the border fence.”

    A day later after reporting the comment, FB replied with “We reviewed the comment that you reported and found that it doesn’t go against any of our Community Standards. For this reason we didn’t take the comment down.”

     

    WTF?

  93. 93.

    Kent

    January 8, 2021 at 6:09 pm

    More evidence that Murkowski is better than Collins

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/politics/lisa-murkowski-trump-resign.html

    Murkowski is the first Republican senator to say Trump should resign: ‘I want him out.’

    Senator Lisa Murkowski, Republican of Alaska, called on Friday for President Trump to resign, denouncing him in unsparing terms and even suggesting that she might leave the Republican Party if it continued to align itself with Mr. Trump.

    “I want him to resign,” Ms. Murkowski said in an interview with The Anchorage Daily News. “I want him out. He has caused enough damage.”

    She went on: “He’s either been golfing or he’s been inside the Oval Office fuming and throwing every single person who has been loyal and faithful to him under the bus, starting with the vice president. He doesn’t want to stay there. He only wants to stay there for the title. He only wants to stay there for his ego. He needs to get out. He needs to do the good thing, but I don’t think he’s capable of doing a good thing.”

    In the long term, Ms. Murkowski’s suggestion that she might leave the Republican Party — “if the Republican Party has become nothing more than the party of Trump, I sincerely question whether this is the party for me,” she told the Anchorage paper — could prove even more significant than her support for Mr. Trump’s removal.

    With the victories of Jon Ossoff and the Rev. Raphael Warnock in Georgia’s Senate runoffs on Tuesday, Democrats will have the slimmest possible majority in the Senate, 50-50 with Vice President-elect Kamala Harris breaking ties. (Democrats’ 50-vote total includes two independents who caucus with them.) Ms. Murkowski did not say whether she would caucus with the Democrats if she left the Republican Party, but even a decision to become an independent would significantly change the political dynamics in the chamber.

  94. 94.

    dm

    January 8, 2021 at 6:11 pm

    @Ken: I think this is an unrelated corruption case.

  95. 95.

    Frank Wilhoit

    January 8, 2021 at 6:11 pm

    @Geoduck: Think addiction to ideology.  I knew someone who got 8 DUIs in a row.  Addiction intercepts and filters everything: perception, volition, and instinct.  The addiction literally will not allow them to form and process memories whose implications would threaten the addiction.

  96. 96.

    Mai Naem mobile

    January 8, 2021 at 6:11 pm

    @NotMax: Jim Jeffords died. Can’t be bothered to look it up but it wasn’t that long ago…in the last couple of years.

  97. 97.

    Anya

    January 8, 2021 at 6:14 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: I was once suspended by Twitter for death threats against a fictional character. I was live tweeting at the time. And another time, I was suspended for saying someone at risk of getting shot by the way they were crying their guns. But then there are people who directly threaten people and they don’t get suspended. I figured, it all depends on the employee who gets the complaint.

  98. 98.

    trnc

    January 8, 2021 at 6:14 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Latest draft of the articles of impeachment that will be formally introduced on Monday includes one article: “incitement of insurrection.”

    Whew! I saw a laundry list yesterday that included a lot of stuff about the 2016 election, so I’m glad someone decided to focus. I thought the Ga SOS phone call might rate it’s own article, but I understand it being used as background for the call to insurrection.

  99. 99.

    Mai Naem mobile

    January 8, 2021 at 6:15 pm

    I think there’s a decent chance you could get Al Gross in the Senate if you had ranked voting because you would get the GOPrs splitting  their vote.

  100. 100.

    dm

    January 8, 2021 at 6:17 pm

    W-e-l-l, Murkowski voted for Amy Conan Barrett so Susan Collins could vote against her, and thus go to the election in Maine with a moderate fig-leaf.

    But, as the old saying goes, “Conservatives welcome converts, while liberals spurn heretics”.  I don’t much care much when someone sees the light, it’s probably good to welcome them to the Big Tent.

  101. 101.

    Frank Wilhoit

    January 8, 2021 at 6:18 pm

    @trnc: It would have been better to lay down an explicit marker against the corruption of elections.  You take it as an implicit marker: we’ll see if anyone else grasps that point.  Subtlety has rather gone by the board.

  102. 102.

    Martin

    January 8, 2021 at 6:18 pm

    @sdhays: I like his paintings. He should have done that instead of politics.

  103. 103.

    trnc

    January 8, 2021 at 6:19 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: They seem to be applying “community” standards in the same way people applied it to “communities” (suburbs) in the 50s.

  104. 104.

    Dan B

    January 8, 2021 at 6:20 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: Amazingly White attitude from Facebook.  I wonder what would happen if the comment was about Jews instead of Mexicans.  You’d think that a state with many people with Mexican heritage would put enough of them in Facebook to raise awareness a bit.

  105. 105.

    Scout211

    January 8, 2021 at 6:20 pm

    My Representative was interviewed today.  I am not impressed.

    https://www.kcra.com/article/qa-rep-mcclintock-talks-wednesdays-capitol-chaos/35157313

    Q: How do you think this happened?

    McClintock: Like all such situations it’s a failure of imagination. I don’t think anybody had actually imagined that American citizens would attack their own Capitol, and again, I think it’s the horrible culmination of years of growing polarization. We have to get a handle on it.

    . . .

    Q: What are your thoughts on invoking the 25th Amendment?

    McClintock: I think that we have divided our country more than enough. I think we have tortured and abused our Constitution more than enough. We don’t have to continue down that road. The 25th Amendment is written specifically to address the physical capacity of the president. It is not there for bad behavior or conduct.

    Q: Do you hold the president responsible for what happened?

    McClintock: He never said, ‘I want you to storm the Capitol and stop the electoral vote.’ He gave a very provocative speech, which is a staple of political rallies. I think it was badly, badly calculated. I think it was irresponsible and he contributed to the events of yesterday. But it’s not impeachable.

  106. 106.

    Frank Wilhoit

    January 8, 2021 at 6:21 pm

    @dm: Alaska (I do not say “Murkowski”, I say “Alaska”) is gettable very easily.  Just have the Treasury underwrite the fossil-fuel extraction dividend — at some level near its peak, or in any case above today’s.  Then the question becomes how you feel about bribes.

  107. 107.

    Roger Moore

    January 8, 2021 at 6:23 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    But it is a serious consideration that some were scared out of their $%&*#! minds Wednesday and have ill will towards Trump now and wish to permanently get rid of the man who might try this again.

    “I never thought the leopards would eat my face,” said the Representative of the Leopards Eating People’s Faces Party.

  108. 108.

    evodevo

    January 8, 2021 at 6:26 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: Yep..husband got censored for saying “white trash” and I got censored one time for saying Nazi, but they don’t do a thing about my completely spelled out cusswords…so go figure.  Plus I started saying Knotsie, and that seems to pass muster….

  109. 109.

    NotMax

    January 8, 2021 at 6:26 pm

    @Another Scott

    Presumes the Senate is in session to receive notice, which it ain’t. Suppose if pro forma sessions are still being held those could be the target of receipt. If not and the Senate is under complete adjournment of business until the 19th, that date has been agreed to by the House*. Still, the Senate as a body cannot be compelled to return earlier unless a conditional adjournment is in force and even then there is no timetable for resumption with a quorum in place.

    *Under the Constitution, neither chamber may adjourn for more than three days without the approval of the other. Such approval is obtained in concurrent resolutions approved by both chambers.

  110. 110.

    Geoduck

    January 8, 2021 at 6:27 pm

    @Mary G: Before all this, Garrison posted a cartoon of an American Eagle circling the date on a calendar with fire, and a caption of A Rendezvous With History. In his small vile way, he helped egg it on.

  111. 111.

    Ruckus

    January 8, 2021 at 6:28 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Are we going to give shitforbrains an entirely new (and far better) personality before someone asks him to resign? Because that’s the only way I see narcissist trump making a decision like this. I give it a zero on a scale of 1 to a million chance.

  112. 112.

    MisterForkbeard

    January 8, 2021 at 6:32 pm

    @Anya: I got a warning from FB earlier this week for telling someone “If you believe that you’re insane” after they started talking about conspiracy theories, dominion, dead people voting, etc.

    The person I was responding to had much MUCH worse in their comments and never got so much as a warning – all their comments were kept up. FB and Twitter just suck at this, probably intentionally.

  113. 113.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    January 8, 2021 at 6:32 pm

    Wow, Twitter executives finally woke up and indefinitely suspended Trumpenstein’s account.

  114. 114.

    Dan B

    January 8, 2021 at 6:35 pm

    @Scout211:  Is this McClintock Susan Furrowed Brow in disguise?  Sheesh!

  115. 115.

    Anya

    January 8, 2021 at 6:35 pm

    Twitter permanently suspends Trump. This will be worse for him than impeachment.

  116. 116.

    Bill Arnold

    January 8, 2021 at 6:37 pm

    @Wyatt Salamanca:

    After close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them we have permanently suspended the account due to the risk of further incitement of violence.https://t.co/CBpE1I6j8Y— Twitter Safety (@TwitterSafety) January 8, 2021

  117. 117.

    Anya

    January 8, 2021 at 6:39 pm

    @MisterForkbeard: I feel like there is no rules. It just depends on the staff dealing with the issue and how many complaints they get. Right-wingers and fandom stans are the same — whiny assholes with a severe victimhood, so they tend to complain a lot.

  118. 118.

    Haroldo

    January 8, 2021 at 6:40 pm

    @Scout211:

    Is he this dumb all the time?  Or is he using it for protective coloration?  Or both?

    How long has McClintock been in Congress?

  119. 119.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    January 8, 2021 at 6:44 pm

    George Conway of the Lincoln Project thinks that there are 67 votes for impeachment in the Senate. Make of that what you will.

    If this vote were held in secret, I’m certain there’d be 67 votes. Hell, if it were a secret ballot there’d probably be north of 80 votes to convict.  I’d bet pigs will fly before 67 senators vote in public to convict this knuckle dragging neanderthal.

  120. 120.

    LurkerNoLonger

    January 8, 2021 at 6:46 pm

    @Bill Arnold: Nelson Muntz: “Ha ha!”

  121. 121.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    January 8, 2021 at 6:46 pm

    @Anya: My theory is the Community Standards department is manned by low paid call center-type employees who are from a certain socio-economic stratus that skews white and Republican.

  122. 122.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    January 8, 2021 at 6:47 pm

    @trnc: This.

  123. 123.

    Bill Arnold

    January 8, 2021 at 6:47 pm

    @LurkerNoLonger:
    I grabbed a full crawl of realDonaldTrump tweets a few weeks ago. (Just the text, but others have full feed archives.)

  124. 124.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    January 8, 2021 at 6:48 pm

    @Dan B: Yeah, I agree with that.

  125. 125.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    January 8, 2021 at 6:50 pm

    @Scout211: Again as a southern Californian, I apologize.

  126. 126.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    January 8, 2021 at 6:51 pm

    @evodevo: I got a warning once for saying White Trash on my own page, and they pulled down my post. But that was years ago. What put me in the current crosshairs is I told a public commenter who made some unfavorable comments about my recently deceased mother, “You need to be beat.” FB said that was threatening. Since then, I’m on a watchlist and my comments appear to go automatically to the head office for review.

  127. 127.

    Scout211

    January 8, 2021 at 6:52 pm

    @Haroldo:

    Is he this dumb all the time?  Or is he using it for protective coloration?  Or both?

    How long has McClintock been in Congress?

    Yes, he is this dumb all the time.

    He’s been in California politics forever. He’s been my representative since 2009.

  128. 128.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    January 8, 2021 at 6:53 pm

    @Bill Arnold:

    I suspect that Trump’s bowels are in a great uproar right now.

    The White House will have to stock up on diapers and he’s gonna need to be sedated.

  129. 129.

    Scout211

    January 8, 2021 at 6:54 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Your condolences are always appreciated. Thanks again!

  130. 130.

    trollhattan

    January 8, 2021 at 6:57 pm

    @Dan B:

    McClintock can set his belligerence dial to 11 in a way that Susan would never. He’s kind of our Steve King.

  131. 131.

    TomatoQueen

    January 8, 2021 at 7:00 pm

    Dept of Somewhere I Read It & Maybe Even Saw It:  It might even be something like Frontline or Independent Lens, but somewhere there is a lengthy piece about those who have the job of monitoring Fb posts. They are overworked, underpaid, and not always located in the US;  there is a substantial contingent in the Phillipines, and in some other countries. These in most cases are young people (mostly 20s) who need the work, work long hours, and live with many restrictions on their lives, in return for what seems to be an early taste of what power can do. I’m not posting out of sympathy for them, altho’ these days there may be more cause than there was. It just doesn’t seem to me that these people have learned anything much or developed their judgment. And Fb at the Zuck level hasn’t either.

  132. 132.

    Brachiator

    January 8, 2021 at 7:01 pm

    @Scout211:

    My Representative was interviewed today. I am not impressed.

    McClintock likes to present himself as the Principled Libertarian.

    But he’s just another weasel asswipe.

  133. 133.

    Kattails

    January 8, 2021 at 7:01 pm

    @Scout211: @Bill Arnold: So unlike Rep. McClintock, Twitter believes that Trump was indeed inciting violence.  Perhaps if McClintock had the same fear of monetary liability his tune would be different

    I see Aaron Rupar noting that in his speech to the mob that later stormed the Capital, Trump used the words “fight” or “fighting” at least 20 times.

  134. 134.

    Another Scott

    January 8, 2021 at 7:04 pm

    @NotMax: As we know, the Senate never goes on recess anymore, to prevent recess appointments.

    Wikipedia gives the timeline for the last time:

    President Trump was impeached by the U.S. House of Representatives on December 18, 2019; the articles of impeachment charged him with abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.

    […]

    On December 17, McConnell opened the Senate session with a half-hour long speech denouncing the impeachment, calling it “the most rushed, least thorough, and most unfair in modern history”, and “fundamentally unlike any articles that any prior House of Representatives has ever passed”.

    […]

    Citing a need to “[s]ee what the process is on the Senate side”, on December 18, the day of the impeachment, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi declined to commit to when, or even if, the impeachment resolution would be transmitted to the Senate, saying that “[s]o far we haven’t seen anything that looks fair to us.”[21] The entire legislative branch adjourned for winter break later that day without taking action to schedule the Senate trial.[22][23] The following day, McConnell and Schumer briefly met to discuss the trial.[24]

    […]

    On January 7, McConnell announced that he had the caucus backing to pass a blueprint for the trial, which discusses witnesses and evidence after the opening arguments.[26] Pelosi called for the resolution to be published before she could proceed with the next steps,[27][28] but McConnell asserted the House had no leverage and that there would be no negotiating over the trial.[29] This prompted several Democratic senators to voice their readiness to have the trial begin.[30] On January 9, Pelosi said she would deliver the articles soon, but continued to cite a need for Republican transparency in the Senate;[31] the same day, McConnell informed members of his caucus that he expected the trial to begin the next week,[32] and Senator Josh Hawley announced that McConnell had signed on as a co-sponsor to his resolution to dismiss articles of impeachment not sent to the Senate within 25 days.[33] On January 10, Pelosi announced that she and Jerry Nadler were prepared to bring a resolution to appoint managers and transmit the articles of impeachment to the House floor in the next week.[34][better source needed]

    […]

    Speaker Pelosi signed the articles of impeachment on January 15 and gave them to the sergeant-at-arms, who along with House Clerk Cheryl Johnson, and the managers,[59] delivered them to the Senate where Johnson entered the chamber and announced to Grassley and the Senate leadership that President Trump had indeed been impeached and must stand trial.[60][better source needed]

    Once this happened, Grassley told the managers and their entourage to leave and return at noon the following day.

    Moscow Mitch played games with the starting date, trying to prevent any effective trial at all, but once the House sent over the impeachment documents, the trial started forth-with.

    (I think we’re effectively saying the same thing. Moscow Mitch will try to run out the clock if he thinks it’s in his interest to do so. But he can’t completely ignore the articles once they’re sent over.)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  135. 135.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    January 8, 2021 at 7:04 pm

    @Anya: Based on my experience, if you get a suspension you are now on a watchlist wherein your comments and posts automatically get reviewed. So all the people doing “much worse” aren’t dealt with unless there’s a complaint that results in a suspension. And apparently that’s a really high hurdle if you’re a rightwinger.

  136. 136.

    cmorenc

    January 8, 2021 at 7:05 pm

    @dr. bloor:

    Murkowski runs neck-and-neck with Collins in the Political Biathlon Olympics, which combines “Dithering Concern” with “Caving During Voting.”  The fact that she might earn some “redemption” by dumping Trump now that he’s used up ain’t worth shit.

    We should frankly be far more interested in her becoming the 51st member of the D caucus (making the R attempt to climb back into the majority in 2022 / 2024 that much steeper) than in indulging scornful butthurt because she stuck with Trump longer and on more votes than she really should have.

  137. 137.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 8, 2021 at 7:08 pm

    @Mai Naem mobile:

    Jim Jeffords died. Can’t be bothered to look it up but it wasn’t that long ago…in the last couple of years.

    It was six and a half years ago (!)

  138. 138.

    AlaskaReader

    January 8, 2021 at 7:09 pm

    @Kent: Please, don’t fall for this. Murkowski is a sham and her act now is simple desperation for her own self-preservation.

  139. 139.

    AlaskaReader

    January 8, 2021 at 7:11 pm

    @hueyplong: No, look at her voting record, she sat at Trump’s right hand,  complicit in his crimes.

  140. 140.

    NotMax

    January 8, 2021 at 7:13 pm

    @Another Scott

    We are entirely on the same page.

    Hope Pelosi doesn’t send them via USPS.

  141. 141.

    RandomMonster

    January 8, 2021 at 7:14 pm

    @Baud: All Trump had to do was become a lame duck and then attempt to kill all of them in a coup.

    That was my LOL moment for the day.

  142. 142.

    AlaskaReader

    January 8, 2021 at 7:16 pm

    @Fair Economist: Murkowski in leadership is no different than McConnell/Trump.  She is never your friend.

  143. 143.

    brendancalling

    January 8, 2021 at 7:22 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: so what? Just get the fucker outta here!

  144. 144.

    Quiltingfool

    January 8, 2021 at 7:22 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: Scared and angry.  Trump sicced his maniacs on the Capitol Building on a day where both Dems and Repubs were meeting, and he didn’t seem to care that Republicans could get caught in the crossfire.  And then he wasn’t in a big hurry to get them help.  If some of them didn’t care for Trump before this, I guar-in-damn-tee they probably hate him now.

  145. 145.

    pluky

    January 8, 2021 at 7:23 pm

    @Frank Wilhoit: The coiners of the term “addiction”, or as they put it “self-addiction”, considered it as the capacity of the self to lie to itself about itself despite all objective evidence of the negative consequences of its actions.

  146. 146.

    AlaskaReader

    January 8, 2021 at 7:23 pm

    @Anya: Murkowski didn’t vote. She enabled some Kabuki theater that  gave  another Senator an excuse. Even though Daines and her  vote were not material they ‘paired’ their vote, Murkowski was ‘present’, she did not vote against.

  147. 147.

    chopper

    January 8, 2021 at 7:25 pm

    if the maj ldr passes a rule change making the conviction vote a secret ballot i expect at least a handful of gooper senators would vote to dump him.

  148. 148.

    AlaskaReader

    January 8, 2021 at 7:26 pm

    @Martin: Give McConnell a pass?  That’s just wrong.

  149. 149.

    AlaskaReader

    January 8, 2021 at 7:28 pm

    @Kent: She is only doing what she wants to do to try to be the first to rehabilitate herself. It’s a sham and she will turn on anyone who is pawned by her.

  150. 150.

    AlaskaReader

    January 8, 2021 at 7:33 pm

    @dm: Murkoski voted to  confirm Barrett after she soaked in media spotlight after promising she would never vote that close to an election, she’s a snake.  Look at her  voting record, she  has never bucked the Republicans ever without  first finding permission to do so.  Not one of her show votes were needed for passage, if her vote was needed, she  fell in line and did so despite her promises leading to those votes.  We in Alaska have watched her pawn people throughout her  career and find it amazing that people will repeat the myths built up around her masquerade.

  151. 151.

    AlaskaReader

    January 8, 2021 at 7:35 pm

    @Frank Wilhoit: I live here and it’s likely the reddest state and ‘gettable’ is not a term that applies.

  152. 152.

    Calouste

    January 8, 2021 at 7:35 pm

    @chopper: Can’t they just vote by acclamation? Which would give Gopers the way out that they were the one who didn’t say Yea.

  153. 153.

    AlaskaReader

    January 8, 2021 at 7:40 pm

    @cmorenc: Allow an Alaskan to disabuse you of that fantasy. Murkowski has to appease her red base or she’s out.  She’s been primaried before and will be primaries again.

  154. 154.

    catclub

    January 8, 2021 at 7:43 pm

    @Brachiator: 

    … 67 votes for conviction, not “impeachment.”

    They probably should give Trump a chance to resign. Might be easier.

    Try to come up with 19 GOP names. I seriously doubt it.

    Conway also thought his Lincoln project ads convinced voters to dump Susan Collins.

  155. 155.

    AlaskaReader

    January 8, 2021 at 7:54 pm

    Murkowski when  it  looked like Barrett would easily have the votes:

    “I would not vote to confirm a Supreme Court nominee. We are 50 some days away from an election,” she said.

     

    Press releases and headlines praise her integrity.

     

    Uh oh.

    Murkowski a couple days later when it appeared there were not the votes:

    “I believe that the only way to put us back on the path of appropriate consideration of judicial nominees is to evaluate Judge Barrett as we would want to be judged. On the merits of her qualifications,” Murkowski said on Saturday afternoon.

    “And we do that when that final question comes before us. And when it does, I will be a yes,” she said.

     

    Those previous headlines and press releases are lost to the ether.

    Every time.  Every single time.

  156. 156.

    LongHairedWeirdo

    January 8, 2021 at 7:54 pm

    U.S. Sen. Lisa Murkowski said Friday that Donald Trump should resign the presidency immediately and that if the Republican Party cannot separate itself from Trump, she isn’t certain she has a future with the party.

    I ran that through a translator – I got this back:

    “I mean, sure, when it was clearly true that he abused the powers of his office, broke the law, and covered it up, I participated in the coverup, violating my oath to see impartial justice done, but I didn’t know he’d go on and do something that looks really bad, meaning it could impact my poll numbers, so someone who isn’t me needs to do something!!”

  157. 157.

    AlaskaReader

    January 8, 2021 at 7:59 pm

    @LongHairedWeirdo: I’ll second that as being a succinct and fully correct assessment. Especially about that last part,  “someone who isn’t me should do something”

  158. 158.

    Chief Oshkosh

    January 8, 2021 at 8:06 pm

    @Mary G: That is one of the most enraging video snippets ever. Every single one of those unmasked assholes should be forced to clean bedpans at the local public hospital. Forever.

  159. 159.

    Amir Khalid

    January 8, 2021 at 8:06 pm

    @Wyatt Salamanca:

    The Neanderthals were not knuckle-dragging brutes, they were human beings. Most non-African homo sapiens living today have some Neanderthal ancestry. Please do not disparage Neanderthals.

  160. 160.

    The Lodger

    January 8, 2021 at 9:00 pm

    @sab: What Delaware accent?

  161. 161.

    NotMax

    January 8, 2021 at 9:15 pm

    @sab

    Middle Scrantonian?

    :)

  162. 162.

    kindness

    January 8, 2021 at 10:19 pm

    I don’t care if the impeachment takes more time than till the 20th.  Impeach the bastard!  Can’t let that go cause that would make Wednesday’s scrum OK and it isn’t.

  163. 163.

    Dopey-o

    January 9, 2021 at 12:26 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I have to think that any Republican voting for the impeachment of trump is doing so only out of self interest in the hopes of removing the trump stink.

    Speaking of stink, has Senator Hawley talked about his “legal residence” on his sister’s farm in the Ozarks? You know, they say that he might have had forcible unlawful carnal knowledge of some of those farm animals. 

    And is Hawley – without a bona fide legal residence – qualified to serve as a US senator? Maybe a 10-day Senate audit could turn up the facts.

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