Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

This has so much WTF written all over it that it is hard to comprehend.

Republicans don’t trust women.

Insiders who complain to politico: please report to the white house office of shut the fuck up.

Since when do we limit our critiques to things we could do better ourselves?

You are so fucked. Still, I wish you the best of luck.

When you’re in more danger from the IDF than from Russian shelling, that’s really bad.

Bark louder, little dog.

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

These days, even the boring Republicans are nuts.

When someone says they “love freedom”, rest assured they don’t mean yours.

You know it’s bad when the Project 2025 people have to create training videos on “How To Be Normal”.

Israel is using food as a weapon of war. Unforgivable.

The choice is between normal and crazy.

Republicans do not pay their debts.

Jack be nimble, jack be quick, hurry up and indict this prick.

Republican also-rans: four mules fighting over a turnip.

DeSantis transforming Florida into 1930s Germany with gators and theme parks.

People identifying as christian while ignoring christ and his teachings is a strange thing indeed.

Cancel the cowardly WaPo and set up an equivalent monthly donation to ProPublica.

Not all heroes wear capes.

Russian mouthpiece, go fuck yourself.

This isn’t Democrats spending madly. This is government catching up.

The republican ‘Pastor’ of the House is an odious authoritarian little creep.

Hey Washington Post, “Democracy Dies in Darkness” is supposed to be a warning, not a mission statement.

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For those of you who can’t watch the video, she tells the reporter that she knows he has to do his job, but her grandbabies are in the house. Then she says “he’s a fine man, and thank you Mr Trump for inviting a riot at the White House”. I’m sure she meant the Capitol — she was clearly upset, as anyone’s grandmother would be if their grandchild was being hauled off by the FBI.

I thought this little snippet is an interesting example of how the relatives of some of these rioters are going to take their arrests. She sure wasn’t blaming Nancy Pelosi or Hillary Clinton for hurting his feelings.

Also, we’ve got some real brain geniuses here:

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  3. 3.

    Booger

    MeeMaw, you done a right poor job raisin yer younguns. And I say that with all due respect to the elderly, who I believe to be younger than me.

  5. 5.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    Sounds like he was prepared to defend himself if any of those traitorous congresspeople tried to shoot him.

  9. 9.

    KenK

    Somewhat surprised Delegate Evans wasn’t hauled out of a trailer park. That there Delegatin’ job must pay pretty well in West Virginny.

  11. 11.

    Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix

    Just to be clear, I didn’t post this to make fun of this woman. I think it’s really sad that her life is going to be upended because her grandkid did something dumb. I was honestly surprised that she blamed Trump.

    I did, however, want to make fun of the shithead who thought the cops would just let him drive away his bomb-laden truck.

    Also, I want to make fun of this, too, but this page will stop loading if I embed every tweet about how a dummy got arrested today:

    https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1347640503467204608

  12. 12.

    The Dangerman

    We’re gonna need a bigger prison.

    /Jaws

    If I were Pence, I’d tell Donnie that he should resign so he could be pardoned by a different person. After any resignation, Pence could then tell Trump “nah, changed my mind”’and have the asshole arrested on the spot.

  13. 13.

    trollhattan

    @KenK:

    That there’s a man-you-factured home on a fine piece of propitty, what the trailer park folks aspire to.

  14. 14.

    Jinchi

    The brother in law of a woman who died asked for prayers and for Trump to be removed from office.

    “It is my own personal belief that the president’s words and rhetoric incited a riot that killed four of his biggest fans,”

  15. 15.

    Barbara

    @AliceBlue: Yep, saw that too.  I think the election just wasn’t close enough to wage a Coleman/Franken type challenge.  He most likely would have had to finance the recount.

  16. 16.

    Betty Cracker

    @Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix: Me too. Good for Grandma for laying blame where it belongs.

    I was going to post this in an open thread, but it fits better here:

    Things l learned on Twitter today about casualties among the Capitol Coup seditionists:

    1. The woman who was trampled to death during the sack of the Capitol was carrying a Gadsden flag (Don’t Tread on Me).
    2. The 55-year-old who had a heart attack while sacking the Capitol supposedly triggered the fatal coronary event by zapping himself with his own taser (possibly in the nuts while stashing the weapon in his waistband, but I can’t confirm that detail).

    I’m trying to be a better person this year. 2021 is making that really difficult so far.

    PS: Just caught a clip of Biden taking questions after a news conference. When asked if he thought the Dems should impeach Trump, he said he was focused on HIS job, which was the right answer, adding that Trump has always been unfit to be president and it’s up to Congress to decide whether to remove him. Biden also said he wants a thorough investigation into the coup (yay!) and that he’s glad Trump isn’t coming to his inauguration.

  17. 17.

    dmsilev

    @AliceBlue: That’s a relief. No endless series of lawsuits like with Al Franken. So, Dems take the Senate right away once Biden and Harris take over.

  18. 18.

    Chetan Murthy

    @The Dangerman: At this point, I’m surprised Pence hasn’t received offers of permanent and lucrative employment from a number of GrOPer money men, for doing precisely this.  They all have to see that Shitler is a threat to their control of the GrOPer base, and the sooner he’s stifled for good, the better for them.

  22. 22.

    sab

    @Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix: It seems like a lot of the families are ” we don’t know what was wrong with this otherwise sweet kid’s head.”

    I can relate. My brother isn’t a Trumper, but if Trump had a bit more class he would be. Our parents didn’t raise us this way. The rest of us didn’t turn out like that. But he is what he is and I can’t stand even talking to him.

  24. 24.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    @Betty Cracker: That guy who dies by giving himself a heart attack by Tasering himself in the nuts – that is professional level Darwin Award behavior. You can’t make this stuff up.

  25. 25.

    Martin

    Look, everyone should have an advocate, and if that’s limited to mom and grandma, I’m good with that. If Osama Bin Laden’s grandma wanted to go on TV and tell us what a fine man he was, that’s her right, and I’m not going to mock her for it. There’s 7 billion other people who can attest to what a piece of shit he was.

  26. 26.

    Poe Larity

    Well, the invitation was made at the White House and no doubt Derrick was thrilled to recount this to his grandma.

  27. 27.

    jl

    Well, there is an ongoing riot in White House, just of a different nature than what happened at the Capitol.

  28. 28.

    Leto

    From the hated FaceBook:

    Hillary Clinton
    3h ·
    Ten years ago today, Rep. Gabby Giffords was holding a constituent meet-and-greet outside a Tucson grocery store when a man walked up and shot 19 people. Six people were killed, including a nine-year-old girl. Gabby was left in critical condition.

    With luck and the help of talented doctors, Gabby survived. With hard work and determination, she has healed. And with her fierce commitment to making the world a better place, she has devoted herself over the last decade to ending gun violence with Giffords. Her husband and partner in this work, Mark Kelly, was sworn in last month to continue the mission as a U.S. senator from Arizona.

    We’ve all gone through so much over this last year. It can be hard to see a way forward. But Gabby put it best in today’s New York Times:

    “Through hard work, intention and commitment our country will overcome the rage of those who stormed the Capitol with Confederate flags and symbols of hate. We draw strength from the bravery and determination of our first responders and frontline workers. They inspire me. We will move ahead together as I did and still do every day—one foot after another.”

    Gabby Giffords: 10 Years Ago, a Gunman Tried to Silence Me

  29. 29.

    Nicole

    I do feel for the families of these people, but I tell you, I can watch videos of these traitors getting arrested all day long.  I really can.

    I was so mad that they all just looked like they were going home with no consequences yesterday.  Today has been very soothing to my sense of justice.

  30. 30.

    Barbara

    Speaking of peoples’ kids, the Trump spawn seem to have gone totally silent in the last two days, after two of them were seen yucking it up with their dad just before launching a riot.  Mark Meadows also seems to be under literal or figurative sedation.

  31. 31.

    Nicole

    @Betty Cracker:

    The 55-year-old who had a heart attack while sacking the Capitol supposedly triggered the fatal coronary event by zapping himself with his own taser (possibly in the nuts while stashing the weapon in his waistband, but I can’t confirm that detail).

    While attempting to steal a portrait of Tip O’Neill, or so I read. I  really, really want that detail to be true.

  33. 33.

    zhena gogolia

    Very satisfying to read this article of impeachment. You don’t have to be able to pronounce Zelenskyy to understand this.

    Latest draft of the articles of impeachment that will be formally introduced on Monday includes one article: “incitement of insurrection.” Reps. Cicilline, Lieu and Raskin are taking the lead pic.twitter.com/DUaVALWgzM— Manu Raju (@mkraju) January 8, 2021

  34. 34.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Barbara: while not smart, Ivanka may well have inherited enough of her father’s sense of self-preservation to realize that the mouth-breathers with holocaust cheering sweatshirts she called “patriots” weren’t a good look for her 2022 FL Senate campaign.

  35. 35.

    trollhattan

    @Betty Cracker:

    I’m trying to be a better person this year. 2021 is making that really difficult so far.

    Technically, 2021 doesn’t begin until noon EST on the 20th. Dispensation, you haz it.

  37. 37.

    Roger Moore

    @Barbara:

    If I understand correctly, Georgia law doesn’t allow a recount if the difference is greater than 0.5%, even if one of the candidates offers to pay for it.  And I’m sure Moscow Mitch would be willing to pay for it to stay in charge for an extra month or two.

  38. 38.

    The Dangerman

    @Betty Cracker: Huh. Potential high voltage to the Nads. Gives me ideas for Trump.

    Reminds me of Adam the other talking about the Rep from CO holstering her gun on such a way as to risk shooting her ass off (if I understood him correctly).

  40. 40.

    Nicole

    @zhena gogolia:

    Did you know he used to have lunch with Ronald Reagan?

    I think that creepy Tweety Bird guy on MSNBC might have mentioned that a few times or a thousand when he was still employed there. ;)

  41. 41.

    TriassicSands

    And that other great West Virginia patriot, Senator Joe Manchin, has come out against impeaching Trump. If the House does impeach, will Joe switch parties in protest?

  43. 43.

    p.a.

    @Leto: Don’t forget to mention human shitstain Sarah Palin had previously published (can’t remember the medium) her name as well as others overlaid by a reticle.

  45. 45.

    trollhattan

    @rikyrah:

    LOVE MAGA people!!!!

    GTFO

    I’ll give Ginny this, her random capitalization and unnecessary punctuation game are spot on.

    Just go away, Clarence, far, far away. Maybe a nice RV tour with Ginny and no cellphones.

  54. 54.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @rikyrah:

    That is a deeply weird couple. You’d think that given his position, she’d be quieter.

  55. 55.

    Edmund Dantes

    Question for Raven from previous threads:

     

    where did all these guys keep these gun between the time they entered the Capitol and left?

  56. 56.

    Immanentize

    I can’t even take care of work or personal shit without a new thread with a score of comments appearing.

    Tiring!

  57. 57.

    Roger Moore

    @Nicole:

    I do feel for the families of these people

    I feel for their families, but it’s important to remember that it’s the idiots getting themselves arrested who are doing this to their families, not the people arresting them.  Play stupid games; win stupid prizes.  Just don’t blame the officials when you do.

  58. 58.

    jl

    @cain:

    ” Gosh – were they antifa???! Have they been lying all this time?! ”

    Moles, which have burrowed very deep The antifa plot is very deep, very deep. And…. Trump instigated the failed insurrection, which is devastating the Trumpster ranks in Congress… and… OMFG… !!?? No wonder the Trumpster rank and file are having a crisis of belief.

  60. 60.

    trollhattan

    @evodevo:

    My in-laws have schooled me right good on the fine points.

    Also learned you can burn a larger mountain of cash going manufactured than you would have going stick-built, with the added bonus the dwelling depreciates afterwards.

  61. 61.

    NotMax

    @Nicole

    “I hadn’t planned on taking it – didn’t even know who it was – but that big red nose made it an irresistible temptation.”

    //

  62. 62.

    matt the somewhat reasonable

    I wanna show him the American flag. That hangs behind the toilet in Grandma’s basement

  63. 63.

    jl

    @Suzanne: ” What is wrong with this white Republican culture? Must be the lack of good role models in the home. Must be a bad attitude of victimhood. ”

    They need to realize that they’ve been seduced into oppression and a dysfunctional mentality by all that wingnut welfare. It’s not their race that’s the problem, it’s the culture.

  67. 67.

    WaterGirl

    @Barbara: From what I read yesterday, there are no automatic recounts in Georgia.  The loser can request a recount IF they are within the .5%.  But if it’s outside of that, there appears to be no recourse.

    Glad Perdue let it go as he didn’t have any good options.  I guess he could have tried a legal challenge for spite, but he had real ground to stand on.

  73. 73.

    rikyrah

    I’m guessing #Pence is trying to get #Trump to resign. Probably offering him a pardon. Trump is probably trying to negotiate as many pardons as possible. The fact that Pence has not spoken openly for or against invoking the 25th amendment is telling. He is negotiating…— Anne Boleyn (Sussex Supporter) (@TudorChick1501) January 8, 2021

  78. 78.

    trollhattan

    @jl:

    If I have a takeaway from all this it’s that the Big Lie once established cannot be refuted. e.g., If it’s true the Nashville bomber believed in actual lizard people then there are thousands or millions of others who will never be convinced they aren’t real. Deep Fried Deep State Soros Pedophile Rings for everybody.

  80. 80.

    WaterGirl

    I keep thinking about one of the new rules that Pelosi put forth forth on Jan 3.

    Something about anyone with arrests or convictions would not be allowed on the floor of the House. Does anyone know any of the details of that?  Seems like that might be relevant with all the upcoming arrests.

  81. 81.

    Immanentize

    @Nicole: Also, a picture of Tip?  That has to be a joke.  Like Hoarse Whisperer said, He was having a ball until things took a shocking turn.

    But “tip?”

  85. 85.

    patroclus

    @p.a.: That was a great one.  But my favorite TNG stand-alone was “I’ve brought down bigger men than you, Picard!!”

  88. 88.

    trollhattan

    @Roger Moore:

    True. IIUC Miller’s family repudiates if not him personally, his beliefs. And that might be where the distinction lies compared to those whose behaviors echo their parents’ beliefs and values (not trying to make this a socioeconomic distinction).

    ETA also remembering the Unibomber’s family, who recognized his writing and turned him in.

  89. 89.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    @NotMax: I think it would be awesome for Pence to be the 46th president for 10 days or so. That would be like an asterisk on the Trump presidency. If Trump leaves office normally, Republicans and institutionalists are going to work feverishly to rehabilitate him. If he goes in disgrace, not possible.

  90. 90.

    Ken

    @NotMax: In which case I nominate he be officially declared 45A.

    Or take a page from Doctor Who, and use a title like “The War Doctor” instead of giving him a number.  “The Insurrection President”?  “The Footnote President”?

  91. 91.

    jl

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    ” Wow, that would be completely out of character for Pence. ”

    Who amongst us have not had to deal with the crazy boss whose flunkies tried to kill us? Pence probably sending emissaries from an undisclosed location.

  94. 94.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Alison Rose: I have to say, given I grew up amongst people like that [in Mineral Wells, TX a -lot- of my schoolmates lived in mobile homes; fewer but still a lot, in Weatherford], I’m constitutionally inclined to think the worst of those people.

    But I actually felt like the tone of her voice was ….. scornful, in “inviting him to a riot at the White House”.  I actually think she wasn’t happy about it.  She also said “Mr. Trump”, not “President Trump”.

    I could be wrong.

  98. 98.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    @jl: My money is on Pence hiding in his car inside the Governor’s Mansion garage, crying and praying.

  101. 101.

    Nicole

    @dmsilev: Oh, excellent.  All of these articles about these people getting ID’d and fired from their jobs can be poured directly into my veins.

  103. 103.

    Immanentize

    @WaterGirl: Hi!

    Perdue has seemed very checked out since his first spanking he took from Ossoff before the election.  He hasn’t appeared much in public, wouldn’t debate, then supposedly had COVID.  Indictments on the way perhaps?

  104. 104.

    Ken

    @rikyrah: Clarence Thomas should retire.

    @Roger Moore: He should wait until January 20th.

    You have to admit that it might be the one thing that would get McConnell to call the Senate back into session before the 20th.

  105. 105.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Edmund Dantes: Right.  (1) ziptie guy had some sidearm in the pic; (2) Molotov cocktail guy was arrested with a 9mm on his body (which wasn’t among the weapons found in the truck).

    And (drum roll) (3) either this crowd of terrorists had firearms, or they didn’t.  If they did, then it’s understandable why the Capitol po-po let ’em go — too many to arrest ’em without a lotta dyin’, — or they didn’t have firearm, in which case a few center mass killshots should have quieted the rest down (that’s what they’d have done if it were Black people rioting like that), so the po-po were happy with it.

    Raven, you can’t have it both ways.  Either they were armed with firearms, or the Capitol po-po were happy with it.

  106. 106.

    jl

    @Immanentize:

    ” If Roberts were any type of real Chief Justice, he would be working that angle hard right now.  With Alito too, I suspect. ”

    If the crazies on SCOTUS have any mind at all to start meddling in what Constitutionally have always been considered political questions, then Roberts should be doing just that. He’s not a good guy, but has the long view of how to get what his sponsors want done. Doesn’t want chaos, which would be the result of the crazies’ either dingbat or dishonest judicial philosophy.

  107. 107.

    StringOnAStick

    @Immanentize: I’m with ya.

    I think the attempted coup has had a quite negative impact on my RW asshole father.  When I did my usual obligatory weekly call he was so obnoxious and argumentative that I finally hung up on him.  These estrangements get easier and easier with each one, and at this point I have a lot more energy invested in what is happening politically that giving a shit about one more rage filed tRump fan.

  108. 108.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    @p.a.: Those miserable fucks could have gotten their base under control any time the last many, many years. But they were cool with it when it was Democrats like Obama getting the death threats. So fuck ’em. They can reap the whirlwind now.

  110. 110.

    jonas

    @rikyrah: I think I saw Pence has said he’s not interested in invoking the 25th. Plus he’s pretty much dead to Trump now (I read his chief of staff has had his WH access blocked), so on what basis he could be “negotiating” I’m not sure. We can hope, though.

  111. 111.

    matt the somewhat reasonable

    @Mart: I attribute Mitt Romney discovering that he has a spine to a similar incident I saw video of a few days ago.

  113. 113.

    jl

    @StringOnAStick: For those Trumpsters who can still be salvaged from madness, deranged and irrational fear and hate, it will take a while to come to terms with being duped by such an insane, and depraved, and long running scam.

  115. 115.

    Danielx

    @cain:

    Just one more example of how deep this conspiracy runs. You know, along with the complete absence of any evidence of fraud, etc etc. Complete lack of proof is just confirmation of proof!

    Or something.

    “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!” – Donald Rumsfeld

  117. 117.

    rikyrah

    I cannot stop thinking about how close the 1-2-3 in the line of presidential succession, VP-Speaker-Pro tempore came to being physically harmed on Weds. The terrorists had operable bombs, killed an officer and ransacked difficult to access areas of the Capitol. We need answers.— Luke Russert (@LukeRussert) January 8, 2021

  118. 118.

    Ken

    @trollhattan: I’ve had to work on repair of manufactured housing on work trips.  Calling them “cheap construction” is an insult to children’s cardboard box playhouses.

  121. 121.

    different-church-lady

    @p.a.: “When the leopard gave me his absolute guarantee that he would eat my face, I never imagined that it would come down to my face getting eaten off by that very same leopard.”

  122. 122.

    Immanentize

    @trollhattan: the Unibomber story is a sad one.  I know his brother, David, who figured it out and ultimately turned him in.  He was the one who helped negotiate the printing of the manifesto in the NY To ones for his brother to give himself up.  The deal was that the US would NOT seek the death penalty, but once they had Ted K. in custody, they reneged and sought the death penalty.  Brother David has been on the anti-DP circuit since.

  123. 123.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    Someone needs to figure out how these shitheels think you can lose an election by nine million votes and it was rigged. Is this a math illiteracy thing?

  124. 124.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    @Martin: I haven’t seen any evidence of that. Otherwise, I completely agree with everything you’ve said about the insurrection.

  125. 125.

    Roger Moore

    @Mart:

    I predicted this general kind of thing was going to happen.  The Republicans who thought they were oh so clever by sitting on the fence are going to discover nobody likes them. Democrats will hate them for not supporting the election, and Trump supporters will hate them for not supporting Trump.  They should have picked a side while they had a chance.

  129. 129.

    Alison Rose

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL

    The elections company Dominion Voting Systems, which has been at the center of many of President Trump’s conspiracy narratives about the 2020 election, filed suit Friday against one of the loudest amplifiers of those false stories.

    The company sued Sidney Powell, a lawyer who previously worked for the Trump campaign and who has spent much of the past two months claiming Dominion rigged the election and was somehow tied to the Venezuelan regime of the late Hugo Chavez.

    None of those claims are true. Dominion was founded in Toronto and is now headquartered in Denver; its machines have been used in American elections for more than a decade. Chavez died in 2013.

    The lawsuit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, and in it Dominion asks for more than $1.3 billion in damages. Powell’s “viral disinformation campaign” has destroyed the value of the business, the lawsuit says.

    We love to see it.

  132. 132.

    trollhattan

    @jonas:

    I never found the idea of Pence acting, credible in the least. Sterny McSternface is a craven coward in the fashion of Lindsay Graham. (And with MAGATs now stalking and harassing Graham, guess his weathervane act has finally caught up with him.)

  133. 133.

    Immanentize

    @Ken: I actually think Mitch doesn’t have the votes anymore.  Perdue is out, Loeffler is still in, but would probably not go back for that.  And there are, I think, some Gopers out with Covid?  And Mitch really wouldn’t have the heart now to rush through anyone during a recess.

    But what will be glorious is hearing all the righties screech about how Thomas should have retired when they told him to!

  134. 134.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Alison Rose: In discovery I hope they find a passel of well-heeled co-defendants.  It’d be sweet if they took down a -bunch- of deep-pocketed GrOPer funders.

  135. 135.

    Give me strength

    @Chetan Murthy: I definitely agree with this. My interpretation: she thinks it was a dumbass idea, and blames Trump for putting it into her grandson’s head. I’d even put good odds on her thinking it was a dumbass idea from the beginning, but she couldn’t talk him out of it.

    My credentials: eh, FWIW I grew up in WV. Haven’t lived there for years, but I still go there a lot. To visit my liberal sister, who lives there.

  137. 137.

    Ken

    @Just Some Fuckhead: Someone needs to figure out how these shitheels think you can lose an election by nine million votes and it was rigged.

    The leading theory in the comments section of this nearly-top-10000 blog is that they’re all in Fox/Facebook bubbles where absolutely everyone voted for Trump, so how could he have lost?

    (By the way, anyone know if BJ still has nearly-top-10000 status?  I get the impression that blogging has fallen off in favor of tweeting, so maybe we’ve moved up?)

  138. 138.

    Immanentize

    @StringOnAStick: I’m sorry for the relationship going south, but I am glad it’s getting easier for you to put it into the broader context.  Hang in there.

    Are you an LOTR fan?  “He will recognize he loves you before the end.”

  140. 140.

    Ken

    @Give me strength: My interpretation: she thinks it was a dumbass idea, and blames Trump for putting it into her grandson’s head.

    If only it were the true South, instead of West Virginia.  Then she would have said “Mr. Trump, bless his heart” and we’d know exactly what she thinks of him.

  144. 144.

    trollhattan

    @Immanentize:

    Wow, small world tale! Two of his murders took place here in Sacramento, ten years apart, which had us jittery to say the least (especially being on the heels of the then-unsolved heels East Area Rapist).

  145. 145.

    Kelly

    @evodevo: I lived in a double wide manufactured home for a couple years. It was very inexpensive to heat. I had to make repairs where some idjit had nailed a deck to an outside wall without flashing. The steel trailer frame really helped minimize the damage. All in all if the manufacturers spent another 5% on better materials they’d be an improvement over a 1970’s ranch style homes. Note: no offense taken over any double wide remarks.

  146. 146.

    p.a.

    @trollhattan: heh.  Don’t know how long ‘Grahming’ will last, but Alito, Thomas, still dead Nino, MoscowMitch etc should have been and should still be subjected to the same for years.

  150. 150.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Cheryl Rofer: One of my friend was telling me last night her Right Wing, voted Trump twice In Laws are all for impeaching Trump after the coup attempt.

  155. 155.

    Patricia Kayden

    Republicans confirmed Amy Coney Barrett 8 days before election but say you can’t impeach Trump 12 days before inauguration— Ari Berman (@AriBerman) January 8, 2021

  157. 157.

    Mai Naem mobile

    @Leto: I feel really bad for Gabby Giffords and Mark Kelly.  There’s got to be some PTSD from that and she has to deal with this with her husband within the first few days of his job.

  158. 158.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Just Some Fuckhead:  If Trump leaves office normally, Republicans and institutionalists are going to work feverishly to rehabilitate him.

    I think once the Base cools down it will be nonstop Trump was really a Democrat, best friends with Sanders, in think with Liberal NBC and Trump secretly founded Antifa from the Institutionalists.  Trump isn’t a life time Republican like Nixon or Bush.

  159. 159.

    Immanentize

    @Mary G: If it is really good legal advice, they also hit him over the head with the shovel and yelled:

    DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!

    That is billable

  164. 164.

    Another Scott

    @Chetan Murthy: What I hear is:

    “And Thank You, Mr. Trump, for invoking a riot at the White House.”

    (And I think she was correct in saying the White House because it was in the background when Donnie and his Minions were inciting the crowd.)

    She’s pissed off at him, for turning her family’s life upside down among other things, not supporting him.

    My $0.02.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  165. 165.

    Calouste

    @Cheryl Rofer: Pelosi mentioned Nixon earlier for a reason, and I think that reason is that they’re pretty close to having the votes for impeachment, in both the House and the Senate.

  166. 166.

    Wapiti

    @Cheryl Rofer: The Repubs should see the chance to use the Traitor as a sin-eater. Dump everything on him, then drive him out. Anything that surfaces in the next 6 to 12 months you can still blame on him.

  167. 167.

    Mai Naem mobile

    • @Cheryl Rofer: resigning isn’t the same as impeaching. I wonder if Susan Collins is next with a stronger weasel word statement . I don’t understand why they don’t impeach. He can’t run again if they impeach. At least you’re lancing that part of the cancer forever.
  168. 168.

    Mary G

    @Patricia Kayden: Lisa knows how to read a room. Manchin can’t grab all the good stuff for WV, and she knows how to deal votes for Alaska for votes for whatever the Democrats want. She’s been doing it with Moscow Mitch for forever. Now he has no value, might as well switch teams. Not that I think she actually will.

  169. 169.

    MomSense

    I’ve been wresting with what we do to recover and achieve some kind of closure on this mess.  Every time I start to write out my thoughts I get exhausted and can’t finish.  While we are sorting this all out we still have to deal with the pandemic and trying to change minds and behavior.  And I’m sure the information that the Biden/Harris team have about the coup end the state of our government is 1,000 % more terrifying.  We have to support them because this has to put enormous mental and physical strain on them.  Then there is the fact that the members of both houses of Congress have just experienced serious trauma. It affects people differently and unpredictably.  It is going to add extra difficulty to their work.  Trauma can disrupt  processing information and regulating emotions.

  170. 170.

    trollhattan

    @Mai Naem mobile:

    I suspect each day of Gabby’s life is a struggle, so profound were her injuries, and she’s surely ten times tougher than I will ever be. What those two have accomplished the last decade in incalculable.

  171. 171.

    Wapiti

    @Another Scott: I think there are probably tons of people in America who see their lives and families upended because one of their numbskulls listened to someone’s sly scheme. They see the extra work that they have to do, and they’re not happy with their kin, nor with whoever suckered them into something wrong.

  172. 172.

    trollhattan

    @Mai Naem mobile:

    Oh hell, I don’t even know where to look up today’s Furrow Alert Level. Tell us, Susan, on a scale of Ripples to Martian Canyon, how concerned should we be?

  173. 173.

    david

    Time for the office to begin cleaning up Manchin’s mess.

    Erik Wasson@elwasson · 2h
    STIMULUS: @Sen_JoeManchin office clarifies to @laurapdavison that he is not opposed to $2,000 checks. Will evaluate package when proposed. Doesn’t think it first priority

  174. 174.

    The Moar You Know

    the Unibomber story is a sad one.  I know his brother, David, who figured it out and ultimately turned him in.  He was the one who helped negotiate the printing of the manifesto in the NY To ones for his brother to give himself up.  The deal was that the US would NOT seek the death penalty, but once they had Ted K. in custody, they reneged and sought the death penalty.  Brother David has been on the anti-DP circuit since.

    @Immanentize: I knew about that.  I am very conflicted because, on the one hand, the FBI lied their asses off to David, promising psychiatric help and a bunch of other shit they had zero intention of ever providing.  That was bullshit.

    On the other hand, I also know one of his victims, who was a world class cellist who got both his hands blown off by one of the bombs.  As a string player myself, I can’t think of a worse thing to do to a musician.

    The way it’s worked out is OK.  If he rots and dies out there in the Supermax I’m OK with that outcome.  If they end up strapping him to the gurney and giving him a few shots I sure as shit won’t be out front protesting.

  175. 175.

    artem1s

    Notice Grandma didn’t have anything to say about the kid’s parents being fine people. She knows she’s on the hook for his legal bills and bail, the poor woman.

  176. 176.

    Al Z.

    They should impeach and convict Trump regardless – even after Biden is sworn in to permanently disqualify him from holding office, remove any secret service security detail, eliminate his pension and whatever “library” funds he might enjoy, and disable any security clearance granted to ex-Presidents.

  177. 177.

    NotMax

    @Mai Naem mobile

    I wonder if Susan Collins is next with a stronger weasel word statement.

    “I’ve spoken with the president and he’s assured me it won’t happen again.”

    //

  179. 179.

    MomSense

    @Kelly:

    One of my good friends bought a mobile home after her divorce.  Not only is it very pleasant inside, it gave her the ability to provide a stable home close to schools and work.  Her kids are grown andnout of the house now so she turned one bedroom into a dedicated sewing and craft room.  I’m very envious.

  182. 182.

    Chetan Murthy

    @MomSense: I know it’s just words, but every time I see a Congresscritter say something stalwart, I call their office to thank them, and let them know that I was scared for them on Wednesday.  And every time I see one do something shitty, I call their office and ask why the staffer is working for a traitor, someone who could sand with Trump even after almost being murdered on Wednesday.

    I think the good ‘uns need our “attaboys” even if we’re not their constituents.  B/c they’re all working for all of us, and they need to know we care about what their doing, and about their welfare.

    It’s just word, I know.  But at least, I hope it’ll make the good guys feel better, knowing that so many of us care about their well-being, and their work.

  183. 183.

    sab

    @MomSense: For a couple of years I lived in a single wide trailer, and it was my favorite home ever. Unfortunately a rental.

    Compact, tidy, windows everywhere.

  185. 185.

    Kent

    NYT says the man arrested for crashing Pelosi’s office is 60 years old.  How the hell old is his grandma?

    Or am I mixing up my MAGAts?

  186. 186.

    p.a.

    @Patricia Kayden: Also too reading the Georgia results.

    one thing abt a political party self-selecting for stupid; you’re gonna get bad candidates, not rotten-people-but-good-politicians candidates.  Perdue in his debate.  Loeffler like an automaton squawking “radical liberal” every other breath

  187. 187.

    Ohio Mom

    Kelly@145
    I live in a 1970s ranch — you got that right, it is ricky-ticky crap construction.

    That grandma is pissed as hell at Trump for getting her half-wit grandson (or son, whichever it is) in trouble. She may or not have a firm grip on current events but she’s a woman without any illusions about human nature. She is going to carry that grudge to her grave.

    I watched the question-and-answer part of Biden’s press conference earlier today. I am swooning, which of you told me six months ago I’d be doing, I’d have called you nuts.

  188. 188.

    Mai Naem mobile

    @Patricia Kayden: wow, wonder if Biden talked to Murkowski. I am guessing Biden was probably friends with her dad so some history probably goes back between the families for decades.

  190. 190.

    The Moar You Know

    They should impeach and convict Trump regardless – even after Biden is sworn in to permanently disqualify him from holding office, remove any secret service security detail, eliminate his pension and whatever “library” funds he might enjoy, and disable any security clearance granted to ex-Presidents.

    @Al Z.: I understand, but even impeachment and conviction won’t remove the Secret Service detail or, I’m pretty sure, the pension.

    The small consolation I take is that he won’t live very long to collect much of either.

  191. 191.

    trnc

    @Betty Cracker:

    Things l learned on Twitter today about casualties among the Capitol Coup seditionists:

    1. The woman who was trampled to death during the sack of the Capitol was carrying a Gadsden flag (Don’t Tread on Me).

    2. The 55-year-old who had a heart attack while sacking the Capitol supposedly triggered the fatal coronary event by zapping himself with his own taser (possibly in the nuts while stashing the weapon in his waistband, but I can’t confirm that detail).

    Another for the list – Ashli Babbitt apparently tweeted “Nothing will stop us” the day before before being … um … stopped by something.

    I don’t rejoice in her death, but I’m glad it wasn’t someone I respect and I can only hope that some of the idiots who are lucky enough to escape prosecution actually learned something from her death. Big ask, I know.

  192. 192.

    Chetan Murthy

    @The Moar You Know: Back in the 80s, when his manifesto came out, I was in grad school (computer science) and told a friend that “if I had the courage of my convictions, I’d be out there with the Unabomber”.  I was young.  I didn’t realize the error of my ways until Mohammed Atta flew a plane into the WTC.  That’s when I … calculated that political violence isn’t justified in a democratic state.  And hence that, even if I somewhat agreed with some of Ted’s anti-technology views, it was unacceptable to use violence to further those ends.

    I don’t really care how his life ends.  He’s a terrorist and a murderer.

  193. 193.

    Anotherlurker

    @Alison Rose: That’s the way I interpreted it, too.  I’m happy the be wrong, but assigning the worst of intentions and the lowest of intellects to trump humpers has proven to be a good, simple way to understand them.

  196. 196.

    Fair Economist

    @david: Apparently the reporter who said Manchin opposed the 2K checks has a history of misrepresenting statements by Democratic politicians. He was just temporizing, likely trying to maximize his bargaining power. And FWIW, I agree vaccine distribution is an even higher priority than the 2K, although neither should take the Senate long.

  197. 197.

    p.a.

    @Mai Naem mobile:

    • @Cheryl Rofer: resigning isn’t the same as impeaching. I wonder if Susan Collins is next with a stronger weasel word statement . I don’t understand why they don’t impeach. He can’t run again if they impeach. At least you’re lancing that part of the cancer forever.

    Would seem to be the move, but Mitt’s and Lindsey’s airport uh… meet-and-greets shall we say are the turd in the punchbowl for sacrificing tRump motivation.

    So sad?

  199. 199.

    Ohio Mom

    Kent @185:
    You’re mixing up Magats. The grandma belongs to a West Virginia State legislator. The 60 year old in Pelosi’s office is someone else.

    Lots, but not enough, arrests happening today.

  203. 203.

    Mai Naem mobile

    @Roger Moore: nah, they can’t appoint a USSC Justice in 12 days if they can’t impeach in 12 days. BTW, anybody heard from scumball enabler subpoena avoiding GOP/Federalist Court packer Don McGahn? Guess he thinks this sedition is all okay .

  204. 204.

    Ken

    @Ohio Mom: That grandma is pissed as hell at Trump for getting her half-wit grandson (or son, whichever it is) in trouble.

    That confused me too, since she talked about her “grandbabies” in the house.  I have some relatives where the kids were born 25 years apart and wondered if it might be like that.

  206. 206.

    Mike in NC

    @Ohio Mom:  Trespasser in Pelosi’s office is a 60-year-old self-employed contractor from a small town in Arkansas, who also is deeply in debt. Who could have guessed?

  207. 207.

    The Moar You Know

    Does Trump get secret service protection when he’s incarcerated in New York state prison? Asking for a friend.

    @Just Some Fuckhead:  That’s going to be real interesting, but yes, he would. I don’t think there are any circumstances under which a former president doesn’t get it.

  211. 211.

    Kent

    @The Moar You Know:@Just Some Fuckhead:  That’s going to be real interesting, but yes, he would. I don’t think there are any circumstances under which a former president doesn’t get it.

    Best case scenario he winds up in some Club Fed facility with the other corrupt politicians and the Felicity Huffman types.

    But unless I miss my guess he will go the Pinochet route and die under house arrest or indictment while the decades-long court cases and appeals play out.  If there is one thing Trump is good at, it’s dragging legal proceedings out for decades.

  212. 212.

    Kent

    @Ken:That confused me too, since she talked about her “grandbabies” in the house.  I have some relatives where the kids were born 25 years apart and wondered if it might be like that.

    I think she is a grandma, but not HIS grandma.

    Ozark-ian family trees can be…[ahem] “complicated”

    Edit…I watched the video.  She is his grandmother.  And looks no older than early 60s.

  213. 213.

    Martin

    @Just Some Fuckhead: He was at the WH meeting with Powell and  Flynn.

    I don’t consider the sedition conspiracy to be limited to the acts on Wed but the planning and incitement that lead up to it.  Pence was clearly on board with calling the election ‘stolen’. That was the incitement.

  215. 215.

    Captain C

    @Roger Moore: It’s too late to abandon the S.S. Trump and have any hope for rehabilitation.  The best that they can hope for at this point is to have committed no provable felonies and a quiet life spent in utter disgrace with the knowledge that they did the right thing far too late for self-serving reasons.

  216. 216.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    @Martin: I’m not sure you’re correct about Pence saying the election was stolen. He addressed “concerns” about the election, in the most weaselly way possible.

  219. 219.

    Wapiti

    @Ken: Imagine that the perp is her grandkid from one child, and the young ones are her grandkids from another child.

  220. 220.

    Barbara

    @Kent: Yes, agreed, any criminal charges would take forever to finalize. My other half thinks he is most afraid of the tax liabilities. I still have a hard time understanding that as a motivation for sedition. People would have always given him a soft landing and he has assets to sell.

  222. 222.

    Ronno2018

    I just wonder how 70 million voted for the orange turd and then see the riot and regret their vote.  I hope a lot.  I still say the checks sent with T***ps name on them got him 4 million votes.  Or at least I hope that is what happened.

  224. 224.

    Quiltingfool

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I have an aunt 2 years older than me!  My paternal grandmother had 9 children; the oldest born in 1933, the youngest, in 1956.  The first 2 grandchildren (one was me) were born in 1958.  This really isn’t an Ozark thing.  This is a lack of reliable birth control thing.

  225. 225.

    StringOnAStick

    @Immanentize: Eh, he’s been a Bircher his whole life even before FOX entered into it and his favourite emotion is anger, always has been.  It is what it is.  My husband’s dad was much more of a loving parent to me than my own folks ever were.  I miss my FIL.

  227. 227.

    catclub

    @Chetan Murthy: At this point, I’m surprised Pence hasn’t received offers of permanent and lucrative employment from a number of GrOPer money men,

     

    I am not.

    these are the same GOP money men who saw trump coming and could have bought him off early.  They values their money too much to bother doing that.

  229. 229.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @zhena gogolia: THEN STFU FOR CHRISSAKE!

    Manchin is far and away the best Democratic Senator we could possibly get from that benighted state until someone develops a cure for BSI (Bat Shit Insanity) & forces its entire population (including a whole passle of my cousins) to take it. He’s been there whenever the party has needed him. And he’ll be there whenever Chuckles Schemer** needs him again as the 50th vote to get the issue to Kamala for tiebreaking.

    ** Sweartadog, my smartass phone useta correct his name to this.

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