One of the enduring lies of the last four years is that Trump speaks for the downtrodden and disfranchised. This has never been true. Sure, there are a lot of racist poor people who vote for him, but as the arrests are pouring in from the McRib Rebellion, you are seeing Trump’s true base. Middle and Upper middle class white people with means. Like this shitstain:
As insurrectionists stormed the U.S. Capitol this week, a few figures stood out. One man, clad in a combat helmet, body armor, and other tactical gear, was among the group that made it to the inner reaches of the building. Carrying zip-tie handcuffs, he was captured in photographs and videos on the Senate floor and with a group that descended on Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office suite. In a video shot by ITV News, he is seen standing against a wall adjacent to Pelosi’s office, his face covered by a bandana. At another point, he appears to exit the suite, face exposed, pushing his way through the crowds of demonstrators.
A day after the riots, John Scott-Railton, a senior researcher at Citizen Lab, at the University of Toronto’s Munk School, notified the F.B.I. that he suspected the man was retired Lieutenant Colonel Larry Rendall Brock, Jr., a Texas-based Air Force Academy graduate and combat veteran. Scott-Railton had been trying to identify various people involved in the attack. “I used a number of techniques to hone in on his identity, including facial recognition and image enhancement, as well as seeking contextual clues from his military paraphernalia,” Scott-Railton told me. Brock was wearing several patches on his combat helmet and body armor, including one bearing a yellow fleur de lis, the insignia of the 706th Fighter Squadron. He also wore several symbols suggesting that he lived in Texas, including a vinyl tag of the Texas flag overlaid on the skull logo of the Punisher, the Marvel comic-book character. The Punisher has been adopted by police and Army groups and, more recently, by white supremacists and followers of QAnon. Scott-Railton also found a recently deleted Twitter account associated with Brock, with a Crusader as its avatar. “All those things together, it’s like looking at a person’s C.V.,” Scott-Railton said.
Or this fuckknob:
A Texas-based lawyer is among those who have been terminated from their job after being identified as a participant in Wednesday’s riot on Capitol Hill.
“Paul Davis, Associate General Counsel, is no longer employed by Goosehead,” Goosehead Insurance, located in Westlake, Texas, tweeted Thursday.
That’s why the Trump boat flotillas were popular- his base is predominantly crazy white people of means. The poors don’t have 200k boats. Boats are fucking expensive to own and maintain. You weren’t seeing blue collar boys in their weekend bass boats at those things. These were expensive toys.
On top of that, truly poor people can not afford to fly or drive across country, dress up in expensive tactical gear, and riot. They don’t have the means or the money to fly across country on a private jet like this dumpsterfire of a person:
One Dallas-area woman flew by private jet to participate in the initial protest at the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday that turned violent as the mob breached the building.
Realtor and radio host Jenna Ryan took a private jet with three others to Washington D.C. to protest the certification of President-elect Joe Biden’s victory over President Donald Trump.
These people have never been disfranchised, they just don’t accept it when their candidate loses and they don’t accept minority voters as their equals. What has happened is the mainstreaming of the Birchers. Add in all the unstable nutjobs who follow conspiracy theories, opportunists and grifters, fascist groups like the Proud Boys and Three Percenters and militias, the Jesus freaks, and your friends on facebook who want their tax cuts and don’t give a fuck about anything else, and there you have the Trump base.
But it isn’t the poor and downtrodden who just want their voices heard.
raven
CEO arrested for breaching the US Capitol during Trump-fueled insurrection
They fired the whiny bitch too.
Parfigliano
Whats the Federal Sentencing Guidelines say about sedition?
RobertDSC-Mac Mini
Why are you hating on the McRib by associating it with these assholes?
Mike S (Now with a Democratic Congressperson!)
Hey they have assets that can be confiscated for restitution and payments to the slain officers family!
Quinerly
Retired FDNY?
https://nypost.com/2021/01/09/fbi-asks-fdny-to-id-active-or-retired-firefighters-at-capitol-riot/
CarolDuhart2
Also if you are of the precariat, you know that one bad turn like this makes you unemployable-probably for life. Do you risk it for 20 years in lockup? And then w hen you get out-if you do-sleep on couches or the street for life?
These upper middle class folks have some margin for error-and for keeping the bills paid, like that stay-at-home dad with 5 kids and a doctor wife. Stay at home dad, of course, may find that wife may kick him to the curb once he gets in to maximum security.
Also what people don’t realize-is that the browning and blackening of the working class means that most working class people are not Trump’s people at all. Your typical bus driver, waitress, home care worker, or factory worker is more likely named Jose or James these days. Yet somehow these people, despite some discrimination and hassle, stay home unless its local and mind their business.
MattF
This Slate article notes that, distributed among the random idiots, there was a group of ex-military looking to create serious havoc in the Capitol, e.g., executions and hostage-taking. They seemed quite familiar with the building. We were lucky.
Starfish
@Quinerly: They have pensions. Could they be yanked?
Quinerly
Worth the read:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emmanuelfelton/black-capitol-police-racism-mob?scrolla=5eb6d68b7fedc32c19ef33b4
Cheryl Rofer
Gonna be a bunch more folks saying or thinking that
Cermet
These people (the older ones) are the same entitled that made up the teabaggers. Its the 0.001% that control this country (and fund the poorer ones to get to these rebellions) but thanks to Rump’s lie’s they are being joined by the 0.1%
Martin
Yeah, this is what I’m calling militant white privilege.
So far, I see 3 CEOs, 6 state legislators, 2 police officers, 4 public school teachers, several lawyers, our real estate agent above.
I see a lot of hot takes that this is the result of income inequality, but I disagree. This is the result of the loss of social inequality. These are people that believe they have the right to storm the US Capitol and walk away without consequence. They are incensed that they got pepper sprayed for the mere offense of overthrowing the government. They are outraged that they are being shot at when the police are supposed to shoot at BLM. They are angry that white christians don’t get the sole say in who leads us.
Poor white people don’t do this. Poor white people don’t take 2 days off of work to fly across the country in order to hang the vice president expecting to still have a job when they return. This is the kind of privilege that comes from being white (cops won’t shoot me) and christian (my sins will be forgiven) and rich (let’s take a vacay, whoop it up, take some selfies, and maybe pay a fine if we go too far)
encephalopath
I just saw someone at LGM use the expression “one truck contractor” to describe the Trump base.
Martin
@Parfigliano: up to 20 years, cannot hold public office.
John Revolta
Realtor and radio host Jenna Ryan took a private jet with three others to Washington D.C.
Just feel that economic uncertainty!
Redshift
@Quinerly: And two Seattle PD were at the protest, and it’s being investigated if they were part of the insurrection.
Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly, Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.)
Yeah. Birchers. John Birchers have taken over one of our two major political parties, only it’s like the worst of the Birchers interbred with the worst of the C.C.C.
I’ve had a theory for a long time that one of the worst things that happened in America was the Southern Strategy.
Before that, both parties had their odious minorities, racist segregationists in the case of the Democrats, and paranoid, conspiracy minded Birchers and the like in the case of the Republicans.
And both groups were awful, and they were unending headaches for the two parties, but they were fairly marginalized—the Birchers types more so than the segregationists, admittedly.
But they weren’t the base of either party, and they didn’t control either party. Once the segregationists went over to the Republicans, these two groups began to feed off of each other, and in time combined into what now controls the Republican Party.
I have no fucking clue how to deal with this shit.
raven
Shirtless, Horned Capitol Rioter And QAnon Enthusiast Has Been Arrested
Geoduck
For whatever it’s worth the other “Zip Tie Guy”, the one who made an effort to cover his face, appears to be a bartender.
Wapiti
So talking to my wife about the general nuttiness of these Q folk… It seems like participation in Q nonsense would be a fast track for losing any security clearance one might have.
Ksmiami
@Mike S (Now with a Democratic Congressperson!): Light ‘em up. These people are a waste of space and only successes based on unearned privilege
NotMax
FYI.
Martin
@Quinerly: Oh yeah. I have a LOT of FDNY relatives. My dad’s cousin was the head of the FDNY union on 9/11. I have about 20 relatives that were first responders.
They are all racist, all Trumpers, and I wouldn’t be surprised if every one of them was there.
My branch of the family is still completely disowned because my aunt married a black guy 40 years ago.
Quinerly
Has anyone posted this? I’m on my phone so just posting these links.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/several-well-known-hate-groups-identified-at-capitol-riot
Bluegirlfromwyo
The only things these fucksticks have been disenfranchised of is unfettered white people on TV, unfettered advantage taking of the poor, and the ability to say the n-word without getting the side-eye. And they’re willing to do this for those things. Scares the hell out of me.
Martin
@Starfish: For sedition or insurrection, yes. You lose your military/govt pension/benefits. But not for other charges such as trespassing, etc.
Baud
Civil War reenactment programs were a gateway drug for old white men of means.
Gvg
The ones that “dressed up” or acted out notably are going to be the ones citizen sleuths find first. The common crowd may get away with it. Some of the smarter ones (relatively) may have dressed and acted more normal. But think about what the striking looking ones want. Attention as bad as Trump. That fake LEGO set is probably flattering to those real nimrods. I think in spite of their prosperity, some of these assholes don’t like their life, and want to live a fantasy. Not sure what to o about that, if we even can.
Ksmiami
@Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly, Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.): denazification and marginalization in every aspect of their lives. Close their religious schools if they f political, refuse them career opportunities without re-education etc
?BillinGlendaleCA
@MattF: As I pointed out last night in Adam’s thread, floor plans of the Capitol are publicly available including in older versions of the Congressional Directory.
Redshift
@Martin:
Well, let’s be clear that doesn’t mean some of them don’t want to. A friend living in Indiana knows someone who was going to come to the DC protest three weeks ago (the one featuring the Proud Boys), but didn’t because Congress hadn’t passed the COVID relief, and he was out of work and couldn’t afford to without the $600.
It would also be interesting to know if the state capital attacks were less CEO/professional-heavy.
CarolDuhart2
@Starfish: Depends. Corporate pensions without a doubt. Federal/state pensions-look up sedition for a better understanding.
Mary G
@Quinerly: I was just coming to post this Buzzfeed piece. The title of the piece is
Sample
So no, not trailer trash at all.
raven
@Geoduck: One of them at Doc Ford’d Bar and Grill on Sanibel. We ate there a couple of years ago. The other one is a retired Air Force Academy Grad, pilot and Lt Col.
CarolDuhart2
@Redshift: Probably not. Remember a lot of this stuff is the middle of the week right after Christmas break. You may not have leave time to spare. And again, do you risk getting on television, and your boss seeing you?
Quinerly
Worth a read:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/us/capitol-hill-insurrection-extremist-flags-soh/
Martin
The ‘Camp Auschwitz’ guy has been IDed and name sent to the FBI, btw. One of his neighbors turned him in.
John Revolta
@raven:He’ll look good in Pelosi’s office
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ea9aea581f2cb16ce82b821544dd8e7550ad692e3dd2057de86c30d79302ab64.jpg
Subsole
@CarolDuhart2: Hear hear.
Trash isn’t about money. It never has been. It’s about selfish, thuggish ignorance. People who think being too stupid to give a shit about anyone or anything but themselves makes them billyjoe hardass.
Put it this way: the Trumpers are every high-school bully that ever gave me shit. They had the exact same attitude. And if you’re a shy skinny nerd who “looks f*ggy”, you get real good at sniffing that ‘tude from a ways off.
You learn early on that the comfy rich kids are often the worst, because they can AFFORD that kind of snot-nosed attitude.
You learn the girls are every bit as crass and cruel as the boys, and that the nerdy trash is -breathtakingly- some of the meanest.
You better believe they will teach you more about the actual practice of religion than a whole marching army of apostles, too…
Quinerly
@Mary G: glad you are pulling out quotes. Everyone should read it. As I said, I’m on my phone. The block quote stuff and copying/pasting ain’t happening.
HumboldtBlue
The GOP will from here on out be known as the White Nationalist Party. It’s the party of white grievance and resentment and white supremacy, a place where Karens and Dougs can rush from their third high ball, grab their guns and threaten a group of citizens protesting peacefully.
Jinchi
I misread that as cannot hold public office for 20 years.
Cheryl Rofer
@Wapiti: Being a member of a group whose objectives include the violent overthrow of the US government is disqualifying for a security clearance.
Subsole
@Bluegirlfromwyo: “But, I done seen…a colored…on my electric televideo machine. That there’s lie-brul media bias.”
raven
@Martin: Good, that motherfucker needs to be fucked up.
Subsole
@Ksmiami: I regret to report that only becomes feasible after the next major courthouse bombing.
Maybe.
Martin
@Redshift: Yeah, I mean, look at who our founders were. Rebellion is an act of the rich. I agree it doesn’t mean the poor don’t agree or don’t want to do it, but they have bigger concerns.
The founders weren’t held in terribly high regard during the revolution. Most people just wanted these guys to get their thing over with. They didn’t particularly care if we were independent or not, they just wanted to get their crops in.
Patricia Kayden
Yutsano
OT: a friend just noted that Jon Ossoff is three years older than him. He’s fucking THRILLED to have a Senator from his generation. Which tells me we should be grooming our younger cohorts for office like this. It will really inspire young people to get someone they can somewhat relate to into government.
mrmoshpotato
@raven: From several states away, and I guess just happened to find himself storming the Capitol building with the intention of keeping a traitorous fascist in power illegally.
Oops!
Quinerly
@John Revolta: I love this. Posted it in the comment section of a local paper for the article about the guy’s arrest. The RWNJs didn’t understand it and insist he is Antifa.
Trump not being on Twitter is truly driving them over the edge. It’s like they are all hopped up on meth. It still amazes me the number of women in these small towns that are in love with Trump. It is like they see him as that Rambo like figure in the posters. It’s a cult. They are getting crazier.
Just Chuck
@Quinerly:
Fine, we’ll treat them as enemy combatants. Or hey if they want to call it a true war, we can just fucking shoot them. They’ve lost any right to parlay with us, however they might choose to spell the word. Their constant screeching about boots on their necks now just makes a majority of the country want to firmly plant them there.
Martin
@Cheryl Rofer: Well, that’s going to change. Can’t deny them to every Republican.
Felanius Kootea
They all just blew up their lives on the word of a conman. Sad.
Bluegirlfromwyo
@Cheryl Rofer: Except the single worst personal decision of their lives was really becoming a racist, overentitled asshole and letting that freak flag fly. Everything else sprang from there.
Martin
@Just Chuck: Don’t shoot until you see the red of their hats.
mrmoshpotato
Excellent post title.
raven
What about the “Trust the Plan” fucker, he was the one backing the cop up the stairs.
Quinerly
@Martin: great news!
Comrade Misfit
Recall the retired shitstains to active duty and then court-martial them.
Subsole
@Quinerly: Junkies tend to get pretty crazy when you cold-turkey their supply.
TruthOfAngels
@mrmoshpotato: I too enjoyed it muchly.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Except a surprising large number were working class, on the edge and yet managed to take a few days off in the middle of a work week for an expensive plane trip and hotel stay just to be part of coup. There is more to this.
raven
@Martin: Gotta link?
raven
@Comrade Misfit: I’ll believe that when I see it.
Subsole
Also worth pointing out that so many media outlets amped that framing because the yuppies of our punditocracy really, really don’t like the idea that smart professionals can be trash.
Easier to blame them rednecks over in the trailer parks.
Baud
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
“Working class” actually covers relatively high incomes. It’s come to mean traditionally male jobs that aren’t “professions.” Many “working class” Trumpsters easily earn six figures.
Mike in NC
For the past 12 years we’ve lived on a golf course where the population is roughly 99.5% white. The houses are all valued in the $250-350K range. Just about everybody is retired or semi-retired and financially comfortable. At one of the first social events we attended at the country club, there were a few crones at the next table complaining that there was a “Miss Black America” contest.
The nerve of those people! I wanted to ask them if that was what kept them awake at night.
In 2016 there were few Trump yards signs and not a single “Thin Blue Line” police flag in the community. In 2020 you couldn’t have spit in any direction without hitting lots of both.
JCJ
@Quinerly:
Q: Do you know why it took law enforcement so long to respond to the storming of the US Capitol?
A: They had to go home and change clothes
PsiFighter37
Starting to think that it might be better if the inauguration doesn’t take place at the Capitol anymore. It seems quite clear that the current government is going to do next do nothing to ensure there is safety.
Poe Larity
SoCal relative says todays Trump Parade was down to two flags trucks from the usual thirty.
Richard
@Cheryl Rofer: i hope so . Who raises these “people “? Does nobody teach them anything? I learned that “viking shaman” is cosplaying a simpsons character. Unbelievable. I would like to see many more arrests. It sounds bad, i know, but at least they will only be slapped on the wrist.
If they had their way, they would like to kill people.
Jay
WaterGirl
@Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly, Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.): What’s the C.C.C.?
Quinerly
@Subsole: They are all into Parler today like it’s the cool table in the lunchroom. But they don’t seem to understand it. I was reading Parler’s sign up stuff… if you want to be an “influencer” and I guess to even comment, you have to supply your SS#, copy of drivers license, picture.
Baud
@Jay:
Oh thank God!
Steeplejack
Quinerly
@Jay: and Pinterest.
What a combo.
PsiFighter37
@Felanius Kootea: I don’t feel sad for them one bit.
Skepticat
This is what I want all of Chump’s acolytes to hear over and over and over until perhaps they get a glimmer of how he really feels about those who love him.
TruthOfAngels
@WaterGirl: I’m presuming it’s this bunch of scumbags.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Conservative_Citizens
Quinerly
@Steeplejack: there’s an acct for “Turnip” that has been bragging about the things “Turnip” can do that Trump can’t do. Still no word as to the kind of truck Turnip has. ?
Leto
@Martin: 1 if by $80k truck, 2 if by $200k boat!
Quinerly
@Skepticat: they won’t believe it. “Fake News.”
Subsole
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
What kind of working class?
Like, there is a difference between a teacher working for the district, and a self-employed plumber. Both working class; very, very different lives as far as accountability and pay scales.
Not trying to infantilize the poor, here. Like I said, money has nothing to do with it.
But I think the myth of the hillbilly horde is tied up in how we have defined “works for a living” as “wears a hardhat and carries a lunchpail and oh gowd why won’t dad approve of my work it is just as valuable as physical labor I am NOT small dammit”.
Not to get all Freudian on this shit, y’understand.
Chetan Murthy
@WaterGirl: “Council of Concerned Citizens”. Descended from the “White Citizens’ Councils”. Which were what the genteel types who thought the KKK was, y’know, rabble, joined. White supremacists, notwithstanding.
https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf/combating-hate/Council-of-Conservative-Citizens-Extremism-in-America.pdf
CliosFanBoy
@TruthOfAngels: AKA, The White Collar Klan
Scout211
Parler is still number one on the App Store right now (as it has been all day). Hasn’t the 24 hours expired? What’s going on Apple?
Mandarama
@Quinerly: That reminds me…2nd ZipTieGuy, who was looking like Rambo all in black in the Capitol but turned out to be a bartender from here in my town (Nashville) who was attending this insurrection with his mama? He had a Pinterest board that I got to see before it was taken down. He had boards for “workouts,” “gear” (dumb tactical shit), and “Sexy Girls With Guns.”
I am not making this up. Hand to God.
Subsole
@Poe Larity: Is that the number of trucks, or the number of flags per truck??
CliosFanBoy
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: and they could take cheap bus trips organized by wealthy RWNJs. (Clarence Thomas’ wife for one)
dmsilev
@Jay: I read that he got banned from Pinterest. Which frankly raises many questions, starting with ‘Donald Trump had an account on Pinterest?’.
Chetan Murthy
@Subsole:
Excuuuuse me, but a teacher working for the district[1] is an *elite*, and far, far from working class![1] doesn't matter if she's paying off her student loans, and will be for the next 30yr: she's still an elite!
Subsole
@Quinerly: Oh gods above, below and between. ???????
It really is just a series of infinite, nested sucker-traps, isn’t it???
wuzzat
@Martin: NY passed a ballot initiative a few years ago that would allow the state to revoke pensions of public officers who were convicted of criminal offenses, but I think it was limited to elected officials. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a similar ballot measure up in a year that covered state employees at large, but I don’t think it would pass.
Suzanne
@Martin:
Yes. Money is only a rough proxy for class. These people are pissed about not having much social currency, diminishing cultural influence. They have a cultural memory of having it, but now fewer and fewer people admire them. That’s why, as much as this isn’t about rich or poor people, it absolutely is about social class.
Starfish
@Yutsano:
That is exactly what Run for Something is about. It is mostly about lower offices so we can have a deep bench, but it is encouraging people under 40 to run.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
That’s the crazy bit, stage a coup, kill a bunch of important people and then sod off back to home for weekend. Apparently they are to White for a counter coup. The word “hubris” doesn’t begin to cover this.
TruthOfAngels
@CliosFanBoy: Coming from a multiracial family, I just call them ‘Those Fuckers’. Pithy, I think you’ll agree.
Richard
@Yutsano: i agree! These old fossilized politicians are not relevant anymore. I am an old person. It is time to trust younger people. They can benefit from our hindsight, and society can benefit from new ideas.
Cheryl Rofer
That will make it much easier for the FBI when they subpoena Parler’s database.
Feathers
One thing I haven’t heard enough of is thanking the BLM/RealAntiFa(TM)/BlackBlock/etc. for not showing up. I still think we will learn there was much nefariousness behind the scenes in those who were planning security for the event, I’m sure many thought that there would be leftist fighters to blame everything one. When the left didn’t show up, everyone got to see the shitshow for what it was. No bothsidesing. In fact, they had to make up antifa to blame things on.
Also, where did this An-Teee-Fa pronunciation come from? I’m glad of it because it means I can spot the idiots faster.
Subsole
@Richard: When have the youth ever been willing to benefit from hindsight!? ?
raven
CNN) – A man authorities claim texted acquaintances to say he wanted to harm house speaker Nancy Pelosi is due in court next week.
Cleveland Grover Meredith Jr. went to Washington this week, with hundreds of rounds of ammunition and an assault rifle.
That’s according to court documents.
He’s charged with writing the threats, and with possession of an unregistered firearm and ammo.
The documents say Meredith’s texts talked about shooting Pelosi in the head or running over her.
He’s one of at least three federal defendants connected to Wednesday’s riot allegedly found carrying significant weaponry
Dude’s a peach, check him out here.
Steeplejack
Another Scott
JuanitaJean:
.
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.
:-)
Cheers,
Scott.
catclub
The Air Force Academy?
Quinerly
@Cheryl Rofer: my first thought.
Second thought was potential hacking Social Security #s. With that said, I got out of the boat yet again and posted this info straight from Parler with link to Parler’s page for these cultists. Of course, that was met with “Fake News.” And, something, something, something Nancy Pelosi’s dead brother raped children. I kid you not.
Baud
@Richard:
Younger people don’t necessarily trust younger people. Sanders, Warren, and Market are popular with them. Buttigieg and Patrick Kennedy are not.
sanjeevs
@PsiFighter37: Trump had the the head of the DC National Guard lose his position at exactly noon on Inauguration Day. He thought Obama might use the National Guard to somehow retain power.
Because that’s what Trump would do
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Subsole: Main theme is “heavily in debt” like the guy who trashed Pelosi’s office.
I am thinking a bunch of rich a-holes decided to stage their cosplay coup and rented a mob of people who needed money.
Subsole
@Feathers: That’s because antifa has NO fucking illusions about whose heads the cops would crack if they showed up.
Again, all the q-balls were stunned the cops were fighting them.
Hell, they were angry.
Ksmiami
@Just Chuck: Agreed. I want them smashed into bits
CarolDuhart2
@Cheryl Rofer: And Federal employment-ever. And there was one that was a current Federal employee there-I bet he got walked out when he came back to work-no tolerance there.
dmsilev
Speaking of Parler, Apple has made good on their threat to block the app.
Ksmiami
@catclub: Restructure it top to bottom or just disband the air force and bring it under the Navy. We need to treat the GOP members as the fascist threat they are
Steeplejack
Re Jenna Ryan et al.:
RSA
@Quinerly: Wow! Thanks for the (depressing) link. Somehow I didn’t realize there were so many hate groups coming together under Trump.
Subsole
@Baud: That’s because they dared stand in opposition to the Old Man of the Mountain.
Sorry, but there is a bad personality cult issue on the left. Not all leftists, of course, but certainly the ones driving The Discourse.
Gvg
@Suzanne: Actually if the behaved like worthwhile people they would get respect. Normal respect. They don’t realize that a different white person with identical job and money who is an actual good guy still commands a tremendous amount of respect. Trash seeking to blame others for their own crap attitude causing people around them to not like them.
CliosFanBoy
@TruthOfAngels: concise and to the point. :)
Baud
@Subsole:
Right. I’m just saying, if you want to prioritize youth, you have to deprioritize ideology and other considerations.
Subsole
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: Hmmmm…maybe. Tea Party style, certainly…
Whole thing has a radio des milles colines quality to it though…
Felanius Kootea
@PsiFighter37: Don’t worry, I don’t either.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Subsole: That’s what the word the mob during that Michigan State capital thing was a rent a mob.
Quinerly
@dmsilev: if you want to enrage a Trumper, post this.
https://www.axios.com/platforms-social-media-ban-restrict-trump-d9e44f3c-8366-4ba9-a8a1-7f3114f920f1.html
Roger Moore
@Gvg:
Some of these people want their faces to be seen because impunity is an important part of terrorizing people. They want the rest of us to know they don’t have to fear consequences for what they’re doing because the system is unwilling or unable to prosecute them. It was the same reason so many lynchings were big, public affairs rather than something furtive; the very public nature of it enhances the terror they’re trying to spread.
CliosFanBoy
Some BLM & Antifa showed up closer to the White House and got into fights with some lingering Maganuts. (I saw it live on the local news here in DC). It was a small handful nowhere near the capitol.
CarolDuhart2
@dmsilev: More than likely, like with a lot web operatives, the idea is to reserve as much web real estate as one can. Even if it isn’t used much, its been claimed and can always be activated at some point.
raven
@raven: The got this dude too.
Doug Jensen
Viva BrisVegas
The relationship between the mullahs and imams who radicalize believers into killings, bombings and flying jets into buildings, how different is that to the relationship between Trump, Cruz and Hawley and the seditionists who trashed the Capitol Building?
From DOJ Archives Feb 5th 2013:
“As the Federal Government implements this effort in the coming months, we will continue to investigate and prosecute those who use the Internet to recruit others to plan or carry out acts of violence, while ensuring that we also continue to uphold individual privacy and civil liberties. Preventing online radicalization to violence requires both proactive solutions to reduce the likelihood that violent extremists affect their target audiences as well as ensuring that laws are rigorously enforced.”
debbie
It takes all kinds. A member of the Ohio Arts Council was asked to resign after her FB post came to light:
At the other end of the spectrum, a spokesman for the Franklin County Sheriff’s Office had to resign for pointing out in a tweet that the mob was treated very differently than BLM protesters. (Somewhat surprisingly, the spokesman is white.) The screenshot of the tweet is here, along with the sheriff’s statement that the spokesman had recklessly criticized another law enforcement agency. The spokesman came back with:
wvng
@Redshift: a bunch of folks from WV went to the rally, and one WV delegate has been both arrested and forced to resign from the legislature. Lots of working class people here adore Trump and DC is an easy drive. I would be surprised if at least half the crowd didn’t drive in from surrounding states.
A doctor friend of mine in Elkins, WV had trouble sleeping Wednesday night because he was so worried about a super spreader COVID surge coming from the crowds who went to DC from his area.
Feathers
I think some of Pinterest and Pornhub(!) banning Trump preemptively is PR, but it is also because they don’t want his people thinking, Hey, let’s take over Pinterest!
CarolDuhart2
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: What kind of debt? Given that so many of these folks come from the manosphere, it could be non-dischargeable debt like child support-and the resentment that that brings. Ordinary work-a-day debt? Do you risk job prospects for this?
prostratedragon
@CarolDuhart2: Or maybe something like Jose James?
Subsole
@Gvg: This.
Hell, being a decent person gets you more respect, really, because it draws on people people from outside your narrow social pool. You get respect from all sorts of good people, instead of just the people who look like you.
Altruistic cooperation is the only logical social strategy, really. Wild that these so-called hardboiled realists don’t get that…
debbie
@Quinerly:
All from Staten Island, I’d bet.
raven
Can fuck face pardon these scumbags?
Another Scott
Good, good. Call them all out. No more enablers.
Cheers,
Scott.
Subsole
@Baud: Fair. I mean, hell, at least we’re arguing. I’ll take that over “pffffft…politics is for the lamez”.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
A-freakin’-men.
As to youth vs age, Conor Lamb is 36, Lauren Underwood is 34, and neither feed the vanguard consciousness, to borrow a term from Marcus Johnson, of those who create idols of twitter adoration (even for commenters on certain stodgy centrist political blogs). And they both flipped and held Republican seats. I remember in his House run a couple years back, Ossoff had a commercial about his belief in fiscal responsibility, and neither he nor Warnoff supported the Holy Grail of Medicare for All (which should really be called BernieCare, cause the slogan that polls well inadequately expresses what those who brandish it like undefeatable talisman mean when they use it).
Subsole
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: Yeah, heard that was DeVos’ baby…
Starfish
@Baud: Those candidates were old people’s version of what young people should be like as opposed to people with young support. They were some centrist nonsense dressed in young people clothing.
If young people were to lead things, environmental concerns would be treated with much more seriousness than they are. There would be work on tech policy and information privacy in the digital age. There would be better gun safety policy from the generations that grew up with mass shootings and school-safety drills from the time they were in kindergarten to guard against active shooters.
Leto
@raven: Good; fucking shitlord.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
That would explain why they were after women congress members wouldn’t it? But I have no idea, just the reports I read said “heavily in debt” was common theme. Like the woman who was killed was desperate for the 2K check. Also keep in mind as Donny shows, easy to be rich and underwater from debt at the same time.
Wapiti
@Comrade Misfit: E-1, bad conduct discharge, no benefits, hard time if you give us any lip.
Citizen Alan
@Cheryl Rofer: Meanwhile, I’m sitting here thinking that the single worst mistake of Philandro Castle’s life was to warn a police officer that he was lawfully carrying a concealed weapon, wile the single worst mistake of Tamir Rice’s life was to play in a public place.
debbie
@MattF:
I watched a 10-minute clip of Chris Hayes which included lots of video. I had only seen photographs and the difference of seeing the action was chilling. The mob almost crushed a cop between two doors. I had heard about a noose, but I hadn’t known it was intended for Mike Pence. These guys weren’t fucking around.
Scout211
@Scout211:
Parler just now disappeared from the App Store. I guess the 24 hours is finally up.
Subsole
Also, can I just say I love you John Cole? You rock, sir. Righteous post.
@Viva BrisVegas:
Good analogy, though honestly Beck, Jones et al. are a better fit for the imams, here. Hawley and co. are better understood as tribal chieftains, I think.
Starfish
A younger generation that has always been in debt is enamored with Financial Independence, Retire Early (FIRE) right now.
They also understand that some aspects of “fiscal responsibility” are scams to shame poor people for being poor instead of paying them liveable wages for their work.
debbie
@raven:
Digital soldier????
Citizen Alan
@Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly, Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.):
More like it’s a subset of the worst thing that happened in America. The Southern Strategy was the result of the end of Jim Crow, which in turn was the result of the end of the slavery.
Subsole
@debbie:
Lol, sorrynotsorryfuckthisshitI’mout
Baud
@Starfish:
People can prefer who they prefer. But if they prefer certain people based on policy, I’m not interested in hearing them chastise others for not making youth a priority.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
I agree Cole. None of these people were particularly poor.
Saw this BS on the wiki page for the 2020 presidential election in Ohio:
The article that is cited on the wiki page is from early 2019. I wonder what Mr. Betras has to say after the Trump insurrection on 1/6/21?
John Revolta
@raven: It’s kind of an open question whether POTUS can pardon somebody for crimes they haven’t been convicted of yet. Ford did it for Nixon, but the main reason nobody fought it was that everyone just wanted to “put it all behind us”.
Ruckus
@HumboldtBlue:
I’ve thought this for decades, it was confirmed a long time ago.
It has become rather obvious what with one of the worst offenders being elected as pres.
Citizen Alan
@Wapiti: I’d go farther. I’ve said that within 48 hours of Biden’s inauguration, everyone associated with Q Anon, the 3% or the Proud Boys should be on a terrorist watch list and a no-fly list.
Starfish
@Baud: I don’t quite understand what you mean here.
A lot of the Sanders voters that I knew switched to Warren. The online-left that was shouty on Twitter is not a deeply organized real-life movement that is actually building a political party.
bluehill
@Steeplejack: Another area where it’s good to be white. Probably going to see a lot of examples of this in the next few months.
debbie
@Mary G:
Have you seen the clip of crowd chasing a black cop up two flights of stairs. Chilling.
Felanius Kootea
@prostratedragon:
I like “Every Little Thing”
Mary G
@Quinerly: Oh, thanks. I’m never sure if that’s OK.
Immanentize
Fuck around and find out.
OGLiberal
Live in NJ but also have a house in NE PA. Most of the houses with obnoxious Trump signage are clearly not people hurting for cash. Was the case in both 2016 and last year. Some of them also fly the Confederate flag, celebrating Pennsylvania’s rich history as one of the key Confederate states.
Subsole
@CarolDuhart2: This white boy damn sure don’t.
I grew up pretty comfortable. My folks did not. They drilled it into my head early that you really, really don’t want a Federal judge to know your name unless you donated to their campaign. And usually not then, either.
Ken
For “platinum” membership level, do you also have to give them your mother’s maiden name, street where you grew up, and name of your favorite pet and restaurant?
Mary G
@debbie: I wondered what would’ve happened to him if that camera wasn’t there.
He was so brave to slow them down instead of just stepping aside, which I’d probably have done.
Wapiti
@Citizen Alan: Yeah, after watching a couple of Q rant-videos (the dead woman and the Seattle pediatrician), I think association with Q indicates an unstable character. So I agree.
Ruckus
@Yutsano:
I’m a lot older than you or Jon Ossoff and I think that the age of a lot of the national legislators is too old.
And look at what the shit heads that rioted want, they want to support something that was wrong when it was the thing, white power. Fuck that, white power has screwed up this country because it is very undemocratic. Also anti humanity. Also it’s just fucking wrong.
debbie
@Quinerly:
Glenn Beck was speaking with one of his Blaze reporters in Pelosi’s office. Beck asked him if they looked like Antifa, and the reporter said they were “our guys” and he knew that because he knew them.
zhena gogolia
@Feathers:
How do you pronounce it? I’ve been wondering.
Baud
@Starfish:
Warren’s not young either.
What I’m saying is that young people can’t complain about other people not supporting younger candidates if they aren’t committed to that themselves.
Subsole
@raven: Ftom what I have heard, depends.
If he knows their names, yes.
If he doesn’t, it gets really iffy. Like, he can try for a blanket pardon a la Vietnam dodgers, but he may well get tripped up by legal technicalities.
Also, bear in mind this is the Trump regime. Their Flynn pardon, it seems, may not actually be entirely airtight. QC ain’t what it used to be. I doubt they’d be as careful for a bunch of nobodies.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@debbie:
I wonder if the Blaze reporters can be prosecuted as well? Or do reporters have immunity?
Lyrebird
@debbie: Wow, good for the young former spokesman.
And not as good but still way ahead of Cruz and Hawley,
that WV State Rep actually resigned. Very graciously.
Re: Ohio,
Sounds like it’s time to find some dollars to send to the Tamir Rice center. I don’t have a lot to spare, but I am not on the edge of running out, either, and gosh darn that place should have more support.
debbie
@Quinerly:
How stupid must you be to willingly give up your SSN like that?
WaterGirl
@Skepticat: Trump prefers people who don’t get arrested
While they are taking part in the insurrection he encouraged.
Subsole
@Starfish: Curious, how are we defining youngs? I am thinking teens to mid 20s? Just want to be on the same page as everyone, here.
Baud
@debbie:
Trump supporter stupid.
mvr
@Feathers: That’s a great point. I was worried ahead of time that there would be enough counter-protesters around that it would be like the weekend the White Supremecists ran wild a few weeks back, where they could use that to deflect blame. There was no way to do that this time short of making things up out of whole cloth.
WaterGirl
@TruthOfAngels: Thank you.
I supposed CCC is intentionally similar to KKK. They probably think they are so clever.
Brachiator
One of the enduring lies of the last four years is that Trump speaks for the downtrodden and disfranchised.
From the beginning, white people in Southern California and elsewhere expressed anger and frustration that the elites had abandoned them. I had a coworker who lived in a “nice area” of Orange County confess that she and her father feared that undeserving blacks and Hispanics would invade their neighborhood and take all the stuff that they had worked hard for.
People like this believed that the Democratic Party only cared about black people and that country club chamber of commerce Republicans only cared about Hispanics. Trump was the first high status guy who promised to set things right and restore the status of the white upper middle class.
Some pundits tried to twist this into bullshit about the poor and downtrodden. And even politicians like Bernie Sanders filtered reality through his own version of progressive politics that tried to transform white bigots into the hapless proletariat.
catclub
Jimmy Carter pardoned draft dodgers who were neither named nor arrested.
Also, who this ‘everyone’, kemo sabe?
William Safire?
Subsole
@Leto: Shitlord?
Nah, man. Dude’s gotta LOT of work to put in before he makes it up to shit, let alone lordship of same.
WaterGirl
@Chetan Murthy: Thank you.
@CliosFanBoy: That was my thought when I clicked the links. The KKK in a white shirtand tie instead of a white robe.
randal m sexton
McRib Rebellion hahahahaha. Why I come here, for stuff like that.
-Random guy on the internet.
frosty
@Ksmiami: I read a book on this awhile back: Grounded: the case for abolishing the USAF. The author said the same thing as you: all strategic assets should be run by the Navy. I don’t know, I’d probably give the missiles to the Army since they’re just big artillery, and the planes to the Navy.
And all the tactical air to the Army (A-10 Warthogs, etc)
Suzanne
@Gvg:
Yes. I think this is a key element of the problem. For a lot of people, they don’t like their lives because no one envies them. Their kids want to follow a different path, big corporations don’t want their money, they don’t attract partners and friends like they want, no one wants to work for their company, and then they see other people getting praise and attention and influence for living their lives differently. Even if you have some money, what’s the point of it if it didn’t get you what you really wanted?
I remember my grandfather being livid that I didn’t want to follow his path to business school and/or the Army. Mr. Suzanne’s grandfather was deeply disappointed that none of his grandchildren wanted to inherit his farm and continue to work it. The Trumps seethe at the Obamas because the Obamas have seamlessly and easily slid into the social roles they wanted for themselves and couldn’t attain, even with money.
Spanky
@debbie: Izzat a trik kwestion?
debbie
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
He will say he was being a journalist, but he should be charged with trespassing at the very least.
cliosfanboy
@WaterGirl: the CCC website inspired the South Carolina church shooter.
Subsole
@debbie: We already got spaceforce, why not CYBERFORCE?
Fuck it, let’s go full Neuromancer!!!
(Please let’s not go full Neuromancer)
(Altho the q-balls are basically conservative Panther Moderns…)
rikyrah
Citizen Alan
@Richard: Age doesn’t matter so much as beliefs and whether you’re willing to stand up for them. Charlie Kirk is young.
WaterGirl
@dmsilev: So does Apple claw back the app on phones, or does it just not allow any new downloads?
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Suzanne:
I’m sorry you and your husband had to deal with that. I don’t understand the hostility; why wouldn’t a grandparent want their grandchildren to be happy and do what they want with their lives?
Subsole
@Starfish: Interesting. Did they say what moved them?
Spanky
Hey, if we’re splitting up the USAF assets, I’m guessing the Army would gladly take the A-10s and any other ground support assets.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@WaterGirl: Or awful close to CCCP, so a trifecta of authoritarians
Quinerly
These fucking yahoos are beginning to look alike so can’t remember if anyone has posted about this Americus atty who just threw his 30 year practice away. (in other news, I just signed a petition of attys here in Missouri requesting Hawley to be disbarred. Not holding my breath but made me feel good)
https://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-attorney-among-those-who-broke-into-the-us-capitol/MF3IWF57WRGHBO2G2GTSZII374/
Subsole
@Ken: Just wait until they get the Trump Executive Deluxe level.
That requires biometric fingerprint and DNA sample.
CarolDuhart2
@catclub: But the draft boards knew who they were, and so did the DOD. So it was possible for draft dodgers to get the paperwork proving they were eligible for the amnesty. These people are mostly unknown and unnamed. Plus Carter did so early in his term when there was time to do the necessary paperwork. There’s too many, and only two weeks. The power ends in eleven days.
mrmoshpotato
@Quinerly:
What about a photocopy of their butts? That’s an insane amount of personal information to give over to some random Internet site.
Subsole
@Mary G: It bears repeating I was entirely and miserably wrong about the capitol cops in the initial hours of this.
Pays to keep a cool head, folks.
Frank Wilhoit
@Lord Fartdaddy (Formerly, Mumphrey, Smedley Darlington Mingobat, et al.): I, too, have no fccking idea how to deal with this sh1t. But: there is, at least, a starting point for figuring that out.
Granting the detailed accuracy of your chronicle, the root cause is that since FDR, the Republican Party has spent literally and exactly all of its time and thought and energy trying to build a permanent majority, so that elections would no longer be competitive.
Now, at this point, do not yield to the temptation to ask cui bono? We are not ready to ask that yet.
Focus instead on the fact that in a pluralistic polity, the aspiration to build a permanent majority is not a legitimate aspiration.
Corollary: if the polity was not so defined as to require and enable the punishment of that aspiration, the polity will fail. That is where we are, and, by the way, bang goes the 1787 Constitution.
The rest is pseudophilosophy and propaganda, constantly in flux while simultaneously pretending to allude to fixed essential principles, the which are made up of allegories, shibboleths, talismans, fables, and other conceptual rubbish. But eventually all of the pseudophilosophy becomes tl;dr, and the propaganda has to be distilled and winnowed and simplified until it no longer even appears to have any content: and all that remains then is violence. That is where we are.
John Revolta
@catclub: Yes, he did. And again, it wasn’t challenged.
(Challenged doesn’t mean “some people bitching about it”. Challenged means taking it through the courts, and eventually to the Supremes.)
ballerat
@Baud: A nazi trumpster family member does just that, earns over 100k a year. House, car, boat, trailer and a big rig to pull them. High-school education, then a stint in the Navy.
Loves Trump, has lots of ARs and hi-cap mags loaded and ready to go for the race war he is sure is coming.
He wanted to go to Lansing with his AR and white power buddies and help the militia assholes occupy the state building. Opted not to eventually but I wonder how long before I see him on the news doing felony white supremacist shit.
He’s not dumb but his critical thinking skills are so easily derailed by his bigotry. He gets right on the verge of figuring it out and …. it’s the Jews! And the N****rs! That’s who is stealing MY MONEY!
His bigotry is like a gravity well in the space-time fabric of common sense. It’s a black hole of stupid where rays of enlightened rational thought are perturbed by minorities and Jews, bent to be pulled right in beyond the event horizon, never to escape.
Gravenstone
@Skepticat: He looks at
lowno class things every time he looks in a fucking mirror.Martin
@raven: Technically, yes. But practically no.
If nothing else, so much of Trump staff seem to have either abandoned him or are now terrified to go near him that I don’t think he has anyone who could do the paperwork.
Geoduck
@raven: Off topic, but there is/was someone out there who was inflicted with the name Cleveland Grover Meredith, and decided to pass it on to his son.
Lyrebird
Calling musicians:
The Real Hoarse wants to form a band called
the Leftist Overlords
in honor of some bile spewed by Don Jr or somebody like that.
(link to twitter post)
Subsole
@Brachiator: I have, to the twitter left’s credit, seen a few accounts begin to admit that they projected their idea of the proletariat onto the petty bourgeoisie. Small accounts, granted. Still, a glimmer faint but sure.
Ruckus
@Skepticat:
So, low class is out. How does he feel about no class, such as himself?
Scout211
@WaterGirl:
It will still work if the app has already been downloaded but no new downloads and no updates.
Gravenstone
@Scout211: Let them all download it. Give the user data to law enforcement. Then brick it remotely.
mrmoshpotato
@Brachiator:
Yet another reason Bernie should’ve fucked off in 2016.
Subsole
@rikyrah: I keep coming back to the fact that in the Middle Ages these people would be hunted down as the bandits they so clearly, dearly yearn to be.
Quinerly
@debbie: read that. Actually, I think here. These nuts are beyond Glenn. This is the kinda stuff they believe. (Yes, Lin Wood related):
January 8, 2021
“As I write to you today, I have no doubt that this letter will find many of you crushed under the weight of despair or perhaps lost in a maze of confusion. It is my hope that by the time you finish reading this letter you will be able to confidently join millions of others who support the president and another four years.
Let me be clear: Trump will be president for another four years. Biden will not be president. Yes, I know those are shocking words in these crazy days.
I have been approached by many saying, “It’s over…” and “Trump conceded the election…”. Nothing of the sort has taken place. Go back and listen to the videos all the way through. At no point does Trump even mention Biden’s name. At no point does he say he concedes. He does say that there will be a peaceful transition to a new administration and he does say that this is only the beginning. Those phrases are important to note. Indeed, we will have a new administration made up of a new vice president and cabinet as the current ones have all made their treason complete. I will touch on this in more detail shortly.
We do well to remember that for more than four years Donald Trump has been five steps ahead of everyone in every attempt to derail him, impeach him, or confound him. For example, he announced on election night in the early hours of the morning that he “didn’t want a dump of ballots at 4AM.” What happened in just a few short hours at almost exactly 4AM? A huge ballot dump took place which showed that he already knew that it was going to take place. That was a public word to the enemies of our country that he was on to them. Also, consider the recent incident at the capitol building in DC. Trump was late to his speaking engagement and then spoke on a number of rehashed things to the crowd of 500K+ but this created a problem. You see, if Trump had spoken on time and briefly, the MAGA crowd would have been at the capitol building with the Antifa faction and likely would have been drawn into the fray by accident and confusion due to the crowd size. With Trump speaking late and long, the MAGA crowd was PROTECTED and SEPARATED from the Antifa groups. It would be very clear that the disguised Antifa people were 95%+ of the people in the building. Again, Trump countered because he was steps ahead of them. This was clearly a staged event meant to blame Trump supporters and try to frame Trump so the 25th amendment could be used by Congress but it failed. Nevermind the numerous videos showing the police opening the gates for Antifa (they didn’t fight their way in) and then leading them throughout the building.
I say all this as only two examples out of many that at no point has our president been in a fight of desperation.
Now you may ask, “Why hasn’t Trump arrested anyone yet? Why did this have to go all the way to Congress?” Multiple reasons: first, Trump has been adamant in following the rule of law and the Constitution. He gives everyone, no matter how dirty, an opportunity to do the right thing (sometimes with warnings such as the phone call with the Georgia Secretary of State recently). He pushed cases through the courts, he presented evidence to the legislatures, and he even told the vice president to do the right thing. But with the betrayal by Pence and Congress, the treason is now complete and nobody can say that Trump did not allow the process to finish before acting. Second, in order to drain the swamp you have to know who are the swamp creatures. They can blend in very well with the crowds. But the false event in the capitol revealed the final traitors for who they were regardless of party affiliation. Trump flushed them out of hiding.
I need to take a moment to speak on Pence. With his treason completed, many of you may not know of his dealings and political posturing prior to the infamous day in the capitol. Pence was already wheeling and dealing way back during the 2016 election season with…wait for it….Paul Ryan. Remember Ryan? The RINO speaker of the house? Look at these emails that were recently revealed:
Pence-Ryan Emails
Pence was also involved with a scheme to oust Trump sometime during his first four years that was orchestrated by Rod Rosenstein and supported by the Clintons. The plan: get rid of Trump, become president and then appoint Rod Rosenstein as the new VP. Why would they want that? Because they felt Pence could be controlled. See these links for the 3 part series for more information:
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
More could be said but I don’t want this letter to become more of a book than it already is. Suffice it to say that when Trump said at the DC rally that he hoped Pence would do the right thing, he already knew what he was going to do but was, yet again, giving the man space to choose to do the right thing.
Now, nobody has been more supportive of Trump than Lin Wood. This man’s career has been fighting defamation lawsuits which means that he doesn’t say things, no matter how outrageous they may seem, without them being true as he knows the consequences of slander. With this in mind, Lin Wood has become a fountain of information and leaks of hitherto unknown information revealing some of the depths of corruption and evil in our highest offices. This is the same man who recently said that arrests are coming over the next few days. He called Pence a traitor well before the counting of the elector votes on the 6th. But did you know that he also said that the president, following the capitol incident, left DC on a “Doomsday” aircraft (used for communications in the event of a nuclear war) with his family and was in Abilene, TX. This aircraft was confirmed by both flight trackers and eyes on the ground. In short, he is a trustworthy source of information. If you have a means to follow Lin Wood on Parler, I would highly recommend that you do so to stay abreast of things taking place. You can also listen to this podcast: Podcast
So, what comes next? I don’t have the particulars but I can give you milestones to watch for as the coming days unfold:
Expect the emergency broadcast system to be activated. The FCC just recently released a memorandum speaking to the requirements under Federal law to send messages from the president to the public. See this link
Expect confusion. We are in a battle for our republic against elites that are attempting the very coup that they are accusing Trump of doing. In battle, there will be disinformation but know that plans are being fulfilled.
Expect high profile arrests to take place over the next 12 days and at any time. You may wake one morning to find someone in high office is no longer there.
Expect this to be a bumpy ride to the very end. This is not a television show where things are resolved in 45 minutes.
Expect more bombshell evidence to be released between now and Jan. 20th.
Expect some sort of internet blackout or outage: Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and Gmail are likely going to be affected. If you don’t have alternate forms of communication established now, it would be a good idea to start forming them even if it’s just checking on your nextdoor neighbors.
Expect Trump to be inaugurated on Jan 20th!
Expect the executive order from 2018 and/or the Insurrection Act to be enacted. This DOES NOT mean martial law. Remember that we have been under a state of emergency since 2018 which gives the president many powers to act.
These things may happen out of the order listed and some may happen multiple times. As I have been watching closely, many things have been and are in play as we speak. Remember that Trump has not and will not give up. He actually takes his oath of office to defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic very seriously. This is why they are so panicked in DC: they know that Trump will fight while Congress just rolls over.
I’ve mentioned this before but it bears repeating. None of us would have believed what we all now know except that Trump and his team have painstakingly taken the time to show the public. Want to show what Congress thinks of you? Highlight that the stimulus bill only sent $600 to each American but billions to other countries (payoffs, money laundering). Want to show the extent of collusion with the CCP at all levels of government? Bring multiple lawsuits against the election fraud from the local courts all the way to the Supreme Court which will show just how brazenly treasonous the judges are. Want the public to see how rigged the election system has been for many years? Present the evidence openly as we have seen. Even this week we have sworn testimony out of Italy that the Leonardo defense contractor used satellites to change the votes from our election in the USA from Italy. These Dominion voting machines were actively sending data to Germany, Serbia, China, Iran, and now Rome. This corruption is MUCH bigger than any of us expected but none of us would have believed it until now. This is why things seem to have taken so long.
Now, the American public is awake and ready to take back their long forgotten responsibilities to hold the elected officials accountable. I have heard from many of you how upset you are with the obvious and willful disregard for the truth and for justice.
As the days unfold, let’s maintain communications among ourselves and try to help our neighbor to understand what is happening. Turn off the television as they have demonstrated they are clearly only falsifying the media to maintain control over your thinking. Do not despair but pray for our country, for Trump and his supporters, and for a national repentance to be stirred nationwide.
The next 12 days will be something to tell the grandchildren! It’s 1776 all over again!
Subsole
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Emulation, flattery and the sincerity thereof, maybe???
Suzanne
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
They do…. but they also really want their children and grandchildren to honor them by following in their footsteps. It’s a deep gratification and deeply fulfilling to some people, who grew up with it as an expectation. Also commonly seen when parents, usually fathers, have a family business to pass down and their kids don’t want it. Religious conservatives are incredibly freaked out about not being able to pass down their religious faith to their kids and grandkids, too.
Mr. Suzanne’s grandfather was so disappointed by the fact that none of his three grandsons were farm boys that he kind of pseudo-adopted a boy growing up on a neighbor’s farm. This kid worked for him for years…. then in Granddad’s old age, he trusted this dude as the executor of his estate and trust. The dude ended up robbing him blind, some of it before Granddad actually died, and he was heartbroken by the betrayal. The court case was settled, but it took years and a lot was lost.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@WaterGirl:
As others have said, no new updates, basically. It will eventually become unusable.
This won’t stop users from using Parler on a “desktop” computer. Does anybody know who hosts Parler? Does Parler itself own the servers? Perhaps the web domain company hosting Parler could be pressured to drop them?
ETA: It’s AWS. Paging Mr. Bezos
Subsole
@Spanky: Who controls rotary wing assets now? Are the chopper jockeys army, or airforce?
The Thin Black Duke
@Quinerly: Not getting off the boat, sorry.
WaterGirl
@cliosfanboy: I did not recall that.
prostratedragon
@Scout211: Time’s up. (I might not be the first.)
Subsole
@Geoduck: Powerful “My name is SUE. How do you DO? NOW YOU GONNA DIE” energy radiating offa that…
debbie
@Quinerly:
It’s frightening to read something so delusional. He is a very, very sick man.
Frank Wilhoit
@Ruckus: In order to pursue or hold any office, everyone should be required to pass (A) the citizenship exam (B) a security clearance (C) life underwriting. All to be renewed not less often than every 12 months and if you fail, you are out, instantaneously, no appeal.
But let’s remember that the gerontocracy in the Democratic Party is due to Reagan painting targets on every Democrat’s back. Several successive cohorts were intimidated out of politics altogether. The good news is that that historical parenthesis is now closing.
WaterGirl
@Scout211: Ah. That’s too bad. But maybe that will help law enforcement track these people down.
Subsole
@Ruckus: AHA! IT IS ALL ABOUT CLASS-ENVY!!!
debbie
@The Thin Black Duke:
Having read it, rest assured you chose wisely.
Quinerly
@The Thin Black Duke: I don’t blame you. I damn near drowned today. It’s like they all ate/drank the same thing and have been infected with syphilis, madcow, and rabies all at the same time. And, of course, Biden is the one with dementia.
Quinerly
@debbie: and one year ago, Lin Wood was sane enough that Mercer Law School invited him to give a speech and to break bread and drink at a fancy reception.
Ken
That’s the brilliance of the scam; it simultaneously selects for the stupid and gullible, and extracts their personal information.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Suzanne:
I totally get that impulse. Especially with a small business. People want their life’s work to be carried on, especially by their children.
I’m sorry to hear that. Glad it was eventually settled, but holy shit what a piece of human garbage that dude Mr. Suzanne’s grandad took under his wing. Talk about ungrateful ?
Subsole
@The Thin Black Duke:
You sure? We got mangoes,dude.
Seriously tho.
You chose wisely.
I made it about 4 ‘graphs in and started seeing spots and getting a persistent ringing in my ears…
Quinerly
@debbie: he has toned it down about executing Pence and CJ Roberts. So, there’s that.
Ken
As I understand it, the term “outlaw” is because people were put outside the law’s protections; anyone could kill them and it was not murder. It seems appropriate for someone who acts like the law doesn’t apply to them.
Puddinhead
@Quinerly: sounds like something Squeaky Fromme would have written about Charles Manson.
zhena gogolia
I wish we could get Leslie Jones to comment on here.
TS (the original)
@Cheryl Rofer:
One Donald Trump – deciding to run for president* – definitely the single worst personal decision of his life.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Subsole:
True
@debbie:
At the very least
Patricia Kayden
Ken
The Marines have them too. As Charles Stross once put it, in the US, the navy’s army has its own air force; and if you need air support for a mission, you have a choice of four services. (I think he missed the coast guard, which also has some choppers.)
Quinerly
@Puddinhead: very good point.
Steeplejack
@Feathers:
I don’t want to go out on a limb, but I think that “Pornhub Update,” a.k.a. @Gian_Neon, could be a random “comedy” shitposter with 2,475 followers. ?
debbie
@Quinerly:
It’s hard to listen to these conspiracy theories and not bust out laughing. If Wood was more or less normal just a year ago, his descent into lunacy in such a short time is frightening. It can only be the result of too many drugs in misspent youthful pasts.
Subsole
@Ken: Lol. That’s good…
debbie
@zhena gogolia:
I miss her being on SNL. Her rage was cathartic.
Speaking of, they’re rerunning Dave Chappell / FooFighters tonight, but once again, it’s delayed by some football game. ?
Quinerly
CNN reporting that a source close to Pence says he has not ruled out the 25th Amendment
prostratedragon
@Felanius Kootea: History suggests that if Mr. James wants to sing it, I like it!
ETA I don’t know why so many commenters under it thought there was something wrong with it, some violation of something or other. And I’m an old fogey.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Subsole:
Hell, if these people had been flying the Confederate Battle Flag anywhere in the North during the ACW, they would’ve probably been hung from the nearest tree by a mob.
On a related note, has anybody noticed blue porch/garage lights on houses lately? Another way to express support for the boys in blue I guess
Quinerly
@debbie: I long for the days when it was just Hillary killing Vince Foster and hanging dildos on the WH Christmas tree.
Steeplejack
@Another Scott:
Don Beyer! He’s my rep in the fightin’ Eighth. Also owns the dealership where I get the doughty Kia serviced, totally off topic.
Suzanne
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I think the urge to have your kids do the same job that you do is a specific “folkway” of a specific caste in the country. College-educated people usually want their kids to go to college, even if they study something different, and even if they would make the same amount of money (or more) in a trade. I think we really cannot underestimate how psychologically destabilizing this is to a lot of lowercase-c conservative people, and I think Trump being essentially a family businessman who saw that those people felt deeply destabilized even if they have money was part of why he has this weird coterie of diehards.
Ken
So, 2,475 more than Trump…
It just occurred to me that there’s suddenly a lot of purposeless software running on Russian botnets. If I were working for Twitter, I’d collect the ongoing queries against the Trump account to help identify fake followers.
HumboldtBlue
Apple removed Parler from app store.
Ruckus
I’ll ask.
When people say young, what age do they/you mean? 18 can vote, one has to be 35 to be president and I’m rather sure that in today’s world 35 is rather young to be president, not that there may be many 35 yr olds who are far more mature and wise than the current dipshit. Who is 5 yrs old with the racist mentality of a shitty 75 yr old.
I consider young in politics to be someone under 35 ish but would not hesitate to vote for a 25 yr old (minimum for the house) or 30 (minimum for the senate) who was reasonable. Most 25 yr olds would still have parents alive, quite possibly grandparents as well. I think my concerns for my health as an old fart would be a consideration.
The Thin Black Duke
@debbie: White Supremacy is a hell of a drug.
Shalimar
@?BillinGlendaleCA: How well are those floorplans marked? Clyburn says they ignored his public office with his name on the door but did find the unmarked one where he actually does most of his work.
Maybe that 2nd office is for leadership and that is what they went after.
debbie
@Quinerly:
Can you imagine knowing that Trump had basically ordered your execution because you refused to commit an unConstitutional act? Even blind loyalty has its limits.
John Revolta
@Ken: It’s like the Nigerian Prince emails. Sure, you’d have to be a complete wally to fall for it, but that’s the point!
HumboldtBlue
@Ken:
Coast Guard has a variety of fixed-wing and rotary aircraft it uses.
Mary G
Losing both senators and now the presidential election has pushed the Arizona GOP all the way around the bend. They are considering a resolution censuring Cindy McCain that is bugfuck nuts.
They call her a drug addict with all the illegalities associated with that behavior, wrongfully supporting leftist policies like gay marriage, condemned President Trump for criticizing John McCain, who was a bad dude, so President Trump was right about him.
Starfish
@Subsole: I was thinking of a broad range of 20-40 which would be the oldest Millennials all the way down to around when Gen Z starts.
raven
@debbie: It’s the NFL wildcard playoffs.
Gravenstone
@Quinerly: No idea where that diatribe you posted came from, but it was 28 fucking phone screens long (yes, I was so annoyed that I counted) on my device. Couldn’t you have just linked with maybe a relevant snippet quoted?
Steeplejack
@Subsole:
Around here young is anyone under 50.
Quinerly
@debbie: Twitter is a flutter today over Rudy unfollowing “Mother” on Twitter. Yes, it’s supposed to be a sign of something to come (related, Karen Pence and VP’s daughter were sheltering in place in the Capitol when Trump’s minions stormed the building)
Starfish
@Subsole: I think that they liked her economic policy proposals.
Quinerly
@Gravenstone: sorry to inconvenience you.
Mallard Filmore
@Feathers:
Maybe they were left behind at the Ellipse and didn’t get the message to march down to the Capitol.
Ohio Mom
Goku @255:
Blue porch lights could be an autism awareness thing.
As an autism mom, always thought that was a completely dumb idea. I see now they have expanded into blue pumpkins for Halloween, equally dumb idea.
Ruckus
@Suzanne:
My parents were both working class people, and my mom wanted me to follow my dad in “profession.” It was a massive point of contention with her because I wanted to go into electronics, which in 1960 I saw as the future. OK that’s one right. I did end up with a decent paying fallback if my ideas went belly up or the politicians fucked the public – again. And so I’m still working at the craft I started in back in the early 60s. It isn’t the life I envisioned for myself but it has been a life, and it’s saved me from GWB’s recession. Funny how my mom, a lifelong democrat, seemed to know that every republican president was going to screw the economy, if not into the ground, at least heading for it. Maybe seeing FDR save the country from yet another republican fuck up actually taught her something.
Quinerly
@Mary G: and to think… Just before the attempted coup, her daughter had posted something about Hawley/Tulsi 2024.
HumboldtBlue
@Mary G:
I saw that earlier. There is no GOP as we understood circa 2014 or so, anymore.
Scout211
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/amazon-parler-aws
Amazon boots Parler from their web hosting service.
Sister Golden Bear
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): People want others to validate their own lives/life choices.
Ksmiami
@Quinerly: Charles Pierce called it the GOP prion disease. Anyhoo, I have no interest in healing and coming together with lawless traitors.
debbie
@raven:
Well, that’s marginally better than another college football game. //
cain
Jeezus, he must be deep in debt. That’s a lot of stuff and even if you’re making over a $100k, stuff like education costs a shitload of money if you have kids.
Ruckus
@Subsole:
Well in shitforbrains world it is about class. He and his followers have no idea, zero, about what class is. He thinks it’s about money, but then Fred was a classless fuck and passed down all he didn’t know. shitforbrains is just a product of his shitty environment (and his stunning lack of any thought process, intelligence, class, grace, humanity…. He does however have a snoot full of pompous arrogance, which has served him badly)
Baud
@Ksmiami:
We have no one to come together with.
Kent
The financial services industry gives out credit cards like candy.
Felanius Kootea
@prostratedragon: It’s the rock vibe, when they were prepared to hear something more jazz-like.
I like his experimentation with other styles.
Ken
@Mary G: I see the Arizona GOP is following in the footsteps of the Virginia GOP over the last few years, and of the California GOP before that.
Ksmiami
@Baud: nope Democrats and indies have to close ranks against these monsters
Sister Golden Bear
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
And some Amazon employees are now demanding the company stop hosting Parler on AWS.
raven
@debbie: Monday night.
bluehill
@Quinerly: She’s caught between the memory of her father and the reality of her dumb@#$ husband. Not surprised she’s confused.
Suzanne
@Ruckus: My grandfather thought that there were three acceptable paths for women in the world of (middle-class) work: secretary, nurse, teacher. So his wife became a secretary, daughter #1 became a nurse, daughter #2 became a teacher. That was okay because the daughters were married. Then, all of a sudden, they weren’t. And they changed careers, and their kids (me and my cousins) had no interest in what he thought we should do. Literally, none of us even thought to ask his advice. That apparently burned him up. SisterGoldenBear is absolutely right: he wanted us to validate his choices and beliefs and we didn’t.
Ken
@debbie: Yeah, I think that scheme of Trump resigning and getting a pardon from Pence is off the table.
Patricia Kayden
Ruckus
@zhena gogolia:
Do you mean Letitia Jones NY AG or Leslie Jones the writer/comedian?
raven
For all you bitching about the job the Capitol Police did look at what they faced and tell me what you would have done?
Kent
I’ve got a Trumper cousin who fits some of the same description. College educated. Works a a project manager for various tech and tech-adjacent firms in the Seattle area for years. Every couple years or so a new employer so I’m not sure if that’s him, or the industry. Lives in the North Seattle suburbs (Mill Creek) and endlessly complains about how the libs have destroyed Seattle. During the 2016 elections he was the in-your-face MAGA asshole who would do things like go set up a big Trump booth with lots of Trump flags right outside Seahawks stadium to greet the Seattle Sounders crowds coming into Sounders games which is a hyper-liberal crowd. Basically to take and give abuse. And post endless selfies doing MAGA shit all over FB.
Last year before the pandemic he bought a chain of laundromats in urban Seattle (to go into business for himself like any good Trumper) but the pandemic has crushed his business. He had lots of commercial contracts with restaurants for linens and such that all vanished. So he’s pretty much gone radio silent on FB (other than to post the requisite weekend gun cleaning selfie on occasion (usually with a beer in the pick). At least he didn’t go out to DC. Maybe he’s learning. Or maybe he’s off on Parler or 4chan and I just don’t see it. But yeah, typical 50-something upper middle class managerial type, probably has a reasonable 401(k) and owns a house in the Seattle suburbs as well as a beachfront weekend cabin on one of the nearby islands in Puget Sound.
That’s who I think of when I think of MAGA.
debbie
@raven:
Oh, don’t I know it. It’s been non-stop hype all week.
Patricia Kayden
The entire jig is up. Bye Parler.
Sister Golden Bear
In case anyone needs a respite: find yourself someone who looks at you like this cat looks at its hooman.
Steeplejack
@Mary G:
Isn’t Cindy McCain a private citizen? (Just checked Wikipedia—yes!) What the hell are they doing censuring a private citizen? What does that even mean?
. . . Oh, they’re censuring her as a member of the AZ Republican Party and, I guess, booting her out, although the resolution isn’t exactly clear on that.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@zhena gogolia:
Her responses to Cole’s home decor posts would be interesting
Scout211
@Sister Golden Bear:
Awwwwwwww! So sweet! Thanks for posting that.
Leto
@Patricia Kayden: looooool “bUT Ur CENzorNG meeEEEEeeeZEEEE!!!!”
prostratedragon
@Felanius Kootea: Yeah, I guess. But that kind of thing has been a part of jazz for a long time now. I see less objection to this version of “Park Bench People”, which despite “Red Clay” references is more a funk number than straight ahead. (In this version; there’s another around with a different beat.) Can it be just the electronic instrumentation? With the other band I’m not sure they’re that different.
rikyrah
Preach it!
PREACH?IT?
Kent
I’m utterly convinced that some MAGA staff for the worst GOP Congressmen or Senators were in on this. They attend all the MAGA rallies so they are the same folks as were outside. Hopefully with House and Senate inquiries and the FBI under Merrick Garland it will all be sniffed out.
Steeplejack
@Ruckus:
Leslie Jones the comedian. Zhena Gogolia and I like watching her comment on watching MSNBC.
Kent
@Patricia Kayden: They’ll probably find a server in Russia that will host it.
Ruckus
@Suzanne:
Like I stated, in a round about way, I validated my mom’s idea about what I should do. I did go back to college after the navy and my major was pre med. But looking at another decade before I’d be a working doc, with bills that would take me a long, long time to pay back and that decade with little idea how to afford rent, food, etc killed that idea for me. When I opened my bicycle shop 15 yrs ago I had a customer who was an ER surgeon and his son in college wanted to follow dad’s footsteps and become a doc. He told me it would cost him a 1/4 mill to get him to his license. That’s approx what I saw for me in total. It’s OK if you make it, it’s a bitch driving that road by yourself.
David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch
Looks like I picked the wrong week to join Space Force
Gin & Tonic
@Kent: Thing is, if Parler built it on AWS, the design/engineering of the site is tied into AWS API’s, and re-hosting it is a *lot* more work than just finding another hosting company.
Amir Khalid
@Ruckus:
The New York state attorney general is Letitia James.
debbie
Fuckers.
cain
@debbie:
I got a new t-shirt to support the Foo Fighters new album!
Ruckus
@raven:
From all the accounts I’d seen up to that video I figured they were way out numbered and they sure were. The only resource they had was to start shooting, and that would have done nothing but make it worse.
Ken
Not yet. Like Apple, they generously gave them 24 hours – more! – to create and implement a moderation policy that meets the terms of service. Such a moderation policy will destroy Parler’s reason for existence, but oh well.
I expect AWS will archive the content, in case anyone (*cough* FBI *cough cough*) needs it for some reason.
Starfish
@Ohio Mom: There are some teal pumpkins for allergy awareness, so we can know the people handing out not-candy for the kids who can eat not-chocolate.
Steve in the ATL
@prostratedragon: you never sent me the address on Rembert!
O. Felix Culpa
Where’s Omnes?
prostratedragon
@Steve in the ATL: Yoiks! Whenever I’ve remembered I was somewhere away from the keyboard. Let me dig up your e-mail now …
Ruckus
@Steeplejack:
Thought so but one never really knows till one asks.
Steve in the ATL
@O. Felix Culpa: fuck off! Eighties alternative was the best music! Go Badgers!
is that a close enough approximation?
Kent
Well, good. It’s billionaire Mercer money so they have deep pockets. But make them spend some of it.
O. Felix Culpa
@Steve in the ATL: LOL. You literally sound just like him.
ETA: And yet, I haven’t seen OO around for an indeterminate amount of time and miss him. Chacun à son goût, etc.
cain
@Ken:
Yeah, I know a number of people who work in the AWS area and they are all basically progressives. There is no way they are going to stand for it.
There is a thread with one of the AWS guys talking about where they could go – (tongue in cheek) I think he suggested Oracle. The Oracle CEO is a major asshole. But I think they are going to have to do what Gab did, and build their own servers – I’ve been told that Parler has been coded.. poorly. So there is that.
Ruckus
@O. Felix Culpa:
Staying away from the doom and gloom.
At least he answered someone earlier with there was too much doom around.
Patricia Kayden
J R in WV
@Subsole:
At my age, people under 50 are young!! Heck, many under 60 are too! But I’m really old now… ;-)
Kent
Can you imagine the job of being a parler moderator and forum host? Sheesh. If they go down that road they will probably farm it out to some call center folks in Bangalore or the Philippines. But still….
Steeplejack
Not seeing an open thread in the offing, so I will mention again that if you subscribe to HBO on your cable system you probably have free access to HBO Max using your cable log-in. I just discovered this a week or two ago. (I’m on Cox.)
I mention this because a load of great anime just got dropped on HBO Max, including all of Studio Ghibli’s movies (I think all—21, anyway), plus Makoto Shinkai’s Weathering with You, which was the last film I saw in a theater (last January). Also Genndy Tartakovsky’s Samurai Jack and Primal. And of course there’s Wonder Woman 1984 and a bunch of other stuff.
If you get HBO check it out.
O. Felix Culpa
@Ruckus: Thanks. As said earlier, I miss his comments. We’re ever so much cheerier these days. //
Ruckus
@Kent:
That’s not billionaire Mercer money that’s the money the Mercer’s owe us. They are supposedly in debt to the IRS for 7 billion in back taxes. And are using some of it to pay attorneys so the they never have to pay it.
dmsilev
@Patricia Kayden: I’m sure, like good conservatives, they will pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and build out server infrastructure and large scale data centers and so forth in the 29 hours Amazon gave them before pulling the plug.
Ruckus
@J R in WV:
I believe you are younger than I am…….
Benw
@Steeplejack: holy moly if anyone hasn’t seen My Neighbor Totoro yet watch it
Steeplejack
@O. Felix Culpa:
He commented earlier today that he “went dormant” for a bit because of the doom and gloom. Well, okay, mainly the doom.
cain
It looks like VP is opening considering doing the 25th – it might actually happen. I think there might be enough evidence that Trump is spinning out of control and if they don’t act…
This might also work out better for the GOP as Pence will take the fall the rest – like a good Jesus like fella.
Steeplejack
@Ruckus:
She is really funny. She loves her some Steve Kornacki. She was hilarious watching him work his board on election night.
Gravenstone
Ooh! I’ve been waiting for that to finally get streamed. Subbed to HBO Max through YouTube TV and in the process of ditching DirecTV. This gives me more incentive to actually use Max now.
Kent
How many cabinet secretaries are even left? I’m guessing geriatric Wilber Ross at DOC has been napping through all of this. And I think Ben Carson is still over at HUD. Are there any others Mnuchin. Do all the unconfirmed Trump loyalist acting lackeys who replaced the others get a vote?
Rob
@Kent: Azar is still at HHS and I think he’s been confirmed.
Steeplejack
@Benw:
My Trader Joe’s friend is the one who reminded me about the Studio Ghibli drop on the way home from her job today. She said she and her housemate were going to do them all, and they started with My Neighbor Totoro. She agreed with me that if everyone watched that movie once a year the world would be a much better place.
They were going to do a double feature tonight, so I suggested Kiki’s Delivery Service and Spirited Away.
dmsilev
@Kent: Mike Pompeo. Azar at HHS. Scalia Junior at Labor.
Yeah, no.
Steeplejack
@Gravenstone:
I just looked it up a while ago to make sure it’s there and available. It was awesome on the big screen.
Ken
@cain: Opens up an amusing possibility (but too late for this week’s SNL):
TRUMP: <expletive> low-class <expletive> Pence! How dare that <expletive> betray me! I’ll have him killed! Wait, how do I order him killed without my twitter account?
MUCH-PUT-UPON-AIDE (WHO HAS BEEN HOPING FOR THIS FOR YEARS): You can reverse it, you know, by showing you’re mentally competent.
TRUMP: What! How do I do that?
M-P-U-A: Figuring that out is part of how you show you’re competent. The only hint I can give you is, Pence invoked the 25th amendment…
beef
@Ruckus:
Mercer doesn’t owe $7B. He’s not that rich, maybe $1B total, so it’d be hard for him to incur that kind of tax bill. The $7B is a collective tax bill shared by all the investors in Renaissance’s flagship fund.
Mercer and his daughter funded all this damage because they’re foolish ideologues.
Another Scott
@Steeplejack: My Rep too. :-) He’s very, very good.
Yup.
Yup.
Cheers,
Scott.
MisterForkbeard
@cain: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure is serviceable but not expansive. And moving from AWS to OCI is probably not that simple unless AWS was basically just used to host VMs.
Larry Ellison is a wingnut, but I don’t think the board would take Parler on if they just got booted from AWS. Oracle is very small c conservative and won’t take on that risk.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@raven:
Yes, but why were they so undermanned? They should’ve known this was going to happen. The radical right openly planned this on Parler
MisterForkbeard
@Kent: The acting heads get a vote. All the law says is the “department/cabinet heads” have to approve it.
John Revolta
@O. Felix Culpa: Okay ya weirded me out for a minute there
Benw
@Steeplejack: such a sweet movie. Excellent suggestion!
Omnes Omnibus
Just ban golfers from voting or holding office and we solve a lot of problems.
@Steve in the ATL: You know nothing.
Quinerly
@Ksmiami: exactly the way I feel. Fuck em.
I’m loving how they are losing their shit over Twitter and Parler. Never mind what happened Wed.
Steeplejack
I have donated in the past to Bot Sentinel, a site that allows you to check on Twitter accounts to see if they are, uh, bots, so I am on their mailing list. It’s free and very useful. Just saw this in my e-mail:
Uncle Cosmo
@Starfish: “Centrist nonsense?” Go fuck yourself, asshole.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Omnes Omnibus:
Glad to see you back, Omnes!
Yutsano
@Quinerly: …
WTF DID I JUST SKIM???
gene108
The calculation Republicans have made is our side won’t try to violently overthrow the government, or kidnap elected Republican officials, so they keep escalating.
We way way more than likely will not, but I think it plays into Republican calculations to keep feeding the violent extremists conspiracy theories.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus:
Lawyer fight!
Please allow me to hold your velveteen smoking jacket for you. Steve can throw his seersucker Matlock jacket over the back of a chair.
Leto
@Omnes Omnibus: just like Beetlejuice, say his name thrice and he appears!
Omnes Omnibus
@Leto: No, I came back earlier today. Too many people were being wrong on the internet during my absence.
Ken
Or covid, which is now killing 4,000 Americans a day, and infecting 1,000,000 every three days.
Gin & Tonic
@Omnes Omnibus: And you wanted to add to that number?
NotMax
Just returned from the monthly sojourn to town. Happened to run into a friend who knows more about weaponry and military history than any hundred officers in the services, combined. (Flaming liberal, in case you wondered; makes his own chain armor for SCA events.)
He mentioned that among the sorry-ass nutballs the other day were those decked out wearing the holders for body armor but without the plates.
Also passed on something I’d not come across, namely that one of the insurrectionists was pictured holding up a sign reading “Q Sent Me.” And that ST:TNG‘s John de Lancie had thence posted a picture online with him brandishing a sign reading “NO I DIDN’T.”
Kent
I guess he is tanned and rested after doing nothing about Covid for the past 6 months.
Ken
Ah, I thought things had suddenly changed for the better.
(Though you missed an opportunity – if you’d said “late yesterday”, we might have thought you had something to do with Trump’s sudden disappearance from all social media.)
J R in WV
@Ruckus:
Yes, probably some 18 months or so… maybe that’s Raven, who is also a little older than I am. Probably between us in age.
cain
@MisterForkbeard:
Oh for sure. I think Parler is going to get shut down and they’re going to find another place. I’d probably volunteer Librem One – my former employers created a chat service with respect to free speech/privacy etc. I was dir of marketing and I told them that you can’t even use those terms – you’ll have nazis all over the place and reasonable people won’t show up. They refused to put in moderation tools. So after the launch started they were:
Pretty much everything I and my team warned them about happened. Luckily, my team and I got terminated a week before launch so my reputation remains untainted.
the service is called librem chat if you are curious.
Didn’t listen to me. Plus they had a really juvenile ad that they conceived and worked on without telling me. Tech bros.. ridiculous.
Another Scott
Surprising!
Not.
We must clean out the monsters.
(via DevinCow)
Cheers,
Scott.
Omnes Omnibus
@Gin & Tonic: Something like that.
cain
Oh… new thread.. I’ll make my comment there!
NotMax
@cain
The country needs more foo.
;)
J R in WV
@Kent:
The senior remaining officers where the official “secretaries” have resigned will also have a chance to vote. The Amendment specifically mentions “principal officer” as opposed to “Cabinet Secretary” of the executive offices.
Dunno about acting secretaries, maybe their under secretary should have the vote? Lots of the acting secretaries are MAGA RWNJ idjits.
Ken
It’s not a crime if the President does it.
Um. Remember three weeks ago, when we were wondering why Barr suddenly resigned? I just thought of a plausible reason.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Steeplejack: Wait, a Democrat who owns a car dealership? Now you’re just shitting me.
a thousand flouncing lurkers was fidelio
@Mandarama: I thought his eyebrows were beautifully groomed, at least in the recent pictures, unlike his mugshot from that altercation in Georgia.
Nashville’s population increase includes a lot of guys like this, I suspect—young people desperately hoping to be cool. Having moved here when it wasn’t cool (about 6 months after Lamar Alexander replaced Ray Blanton), I do hope the rest of them find another way to be cool. Maybe they’ll imprint on Senator-elect Ossoff, or start reading Proust.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@NotMax:
Oh my god, that’s amazing!
Medieval fairs, you say?
Steeplejack
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Deep blue NoVA, baby!
I didn’t buy my car there, but the service is great.
Steve in the ATL
@Steeplejack: ah demand, ah say, ah demand satisfaction!
Steeplejack
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
Aw, that’s mean.
Steve in the ATL
@a thousand flouncing lurkers was fidelio: Pardon Me, Ray!
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Shalimar: Each member of the House and Senate have public offices and staff in the Congressional Office Buildings(Senate and House) on each side of the Capitol. The Speaker has an office in the Capitol and other leadership may as well. I didn’t know until Wednesday that all Senators have offices in the basement of the Capitol. From what I remember(I’m not going to try and find my copy of the CD), but the basement doesn’t have any id of any offices down there.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Steeplejack:
The guy who says, “Tell me how the grass tastes little man!” is the guy who gets flattened lol. You can tell it’s him because he yells as he charges the other swordsman and it’s the same voice
At least I think so
prostratedragon
@NotMax: Been wondering when some representative of that Q Continuum would be heard.
Steeplejack
@Steve in the ATL:
I’m gonna finish my bourbon and branch water.
Richard
@Starfish: probably not. They will keep their pensions. They will never lose their shame.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: Also while we are on that topic. I am ever so disappointed by Terri Nunn.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Richard:
How do you know that? If they’re convicted of felonies like sedition/insurrection they absolutely will lose their pensions. It’s federal law
Jack Canuck
@Subsole: No way – the Panther Moderns were way more self-aware, organised, and competent!
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Omnes Omnibus:
I couldn’t believe Berlin was playing Mar a Largo on NYE. It’s like, why would you want such bad publicity? For a lame duck president? During a pandemic where nobody is masked up? They can’t be hurting for money that bad. I also never knew Vanilla Ice was a right-winger. I guess it’s true: Trump really does reveal the corruption in those around him
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: because she got that restraining order against you?
She apologized for playing there, but should have apologized also for being on a bill with Vanilla Ice, Taylor Dayne and the licensed touring version of The Beach Boys
Omnes Omnibus
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Most will plead to a lesser offense.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: That’s old hat.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Omnes Omnibus:
I hope that doesn’t happen. These POS need to go to prison for a long time to discourage this from happening again
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Omnes Omnibus:
I’m good with that.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Steeplejack: Even in deep blue California, the car dealers are RWNJ’s
Steeplejack
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Mostly here, too, of course, but Beyer is what he is. He also owns a Volvo dealership, so maybe he got disowned by his family for trafficking in those “furriner” cars.
Ruckus
@J R in WV:
I thought so. It’s not by much though, and I think raven is 4-6 months behind me. We are going to be close, being in the service about the same time. Although raven went in first but he was 17 if I remember correctly. And still we are getting fucking old. My docs say I’m great for my age. What the hell do they know……
Ruckus
@Amir Khalid:
Are you expecting me to a actually read what I type?
Silly boy.
a thousand flouncing lurkers was fidelio
@Steve in the ATL: I didn’t really mean to do it!
Captain C
@Mary G: I definitely didn’t have AZ GOP tries to alienate the McCain family on my January 2021 bingo card.
Mandarama
@a thousand flouncing lurkers was fidelio: My husband also made a crack about the eyebrows! A poser. I know I shouldn’t pile on the guy when he’s clearly a tool, but my BIL also noted that on FB, he had left gushing fan mail for our unfortunately-new-neighbor Tamale Limburger. Ew.
ballerat
@cain: Ah, that’s it though. Kid didn’t go to college, he didn’t go to college, wife didn’t go to college. No education loans to pay off.
It is amazing the toys you can buy if you aren’t paying another mortgage’s worth every month for 20+ years toward yours and/or your spouse’s education loans, and if you don’t have to put any money every month in a 529 plan for your kids.
I have no idea if he’s in debt but I don’t think so, for the reasons above.
Twelve years out of high school saw me looking for a job with 2 degrees and deep in education loan debt, and had just met someone who I wanted to marry, who also had college debt and also was trying to start a career.
Twelve years out for him and he had a nice chunk of equity built up in his house and was ready to move up to a bigger one, was fully invested in his pension, had been married nearly 10 years and their kid was halfway through grade school.
This is why I think these blue collar guys don’t see college as worth it. They don’t value education for its own sake so for them it just doesn’t pencil out. Lot of wasted time and money to them.
And from his perspective for the things he values he’s not wrong.
ballerat
@ballerat: Oh, forgot daycare. His wife is the very traditional wife, the stay-at-home housewife who raises the kid.
My wife and I both worked so we had to pay for daycare for our 2 kids. When both of them were in daycare at the same time that was actually more than our mortgage. We had calculated if we had a 3rd child we would save money by one of us quitting and staying home.
College educations and raising children, esp if the plan is they are college bound, are very expensive. These are not expenses a blue collar guy has, especially with a traditional role wife.
ballerat
@Kent: Yep. My yahoo relative is also 50-something. But also very comfortable and very resentful. I don’t get it.
As a guy with just a high school education he has no idea how good he’s got it. But then maybe that’s why.
I know the thread’s dead but I was here so what the heck.