Wasn’t there that one time that a FBI field office knew something and sent in a memo, and it was ignored? Seems like it happened again:
A day before rioters stormed Congress, an FBI office in Virginia issued an explicit internal warning that extremists were preparing to travel to Washington to commit violence and “war,” according to an internal document reviewed by The Washington Post that contradicts a senior official’s declaration the bureau had no intelligence indicating anyone at last week’s pro-Trump protest planned to do harm.
Trump’s MO for four plus years has been to intimidate high-level appointees behind the scenes, who in turn push back every time an agency is going to do something that will upset Trump. I’m sure this will all come out when Democrats investigate 1/6.
Perhaps this guy has some thought on how Members of Congress participated in minimizing the possibility of a riot:
“Anyone who watched those horrible hours unfold should have been galvanized to rebuke these insurrectionists in the strongest terms. Instead, some members…chose to put political theater ahead of the defense of the Constitution and the republic.”https://t.co/xabNznvln2
— Andrew Desiderio (@AndrewDesiderio) January 12, 2021
Also, for those who might have missed it, John & Watergirl are asking for commenter’s takes on the last 4 years.
I hope that if the FBI is still picking up that kind of intel, they’re sharing it with the appropriate agencies.
So. Apparently no one sent any itinerary or scheduling details to Alamo City, TX.
Wonder what they’re planning?
How can they avoid that “intel”? It’s basically (still) all over the Internet. Even the sectors that haven’t been so cruelly “censored”….<sarc>
Another question that ought to be asked (but probably won’t be) is why the FBI (and DoJ) had to wait six days before making a public statement on the 1/6 insurrection….
Replace “Trump” with “Republicans” and you have how we got in this mess in the first place. Congressional Republicans intimidated James Comey so that he decided to make up rules as he went along and ended up intervening in an election days before voting day.
Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix
I hope Biden has his replacement for Christopher Wray picked out…
hells littlest angel
I wonder if this intel made it into the PDB?
Ha ha fucking ha.
@Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix: Yes. This should finally be the nail in Christoper Wray’s coffin. Clean out ALL of the Dump appointees!
Instead of calling it all Deep State I am thinking it should be called Deep Shit.
Mike in NC
Expecting to see a report coming at any time now from the FBI (or CIA): “Trump determined to strike inside USA”
This is going to be a hell of an investigation. Merrick Garland, buckle up.
@Mike in NC: “Fine, you’ve covered your ass.” – G.W. Bush
@feebog: I’ve pointed out Judge Garland’s prior prosecutorial work to liberal friends who unfortunately mostly watch TV news, and it made them feel a lot more hopeful. I keep trying to get them to come here but the did sign up for Heather Cox Richardson’s daily email and I consider that a victory.
@Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix: It seems like this sedition would give Biden a reason to want a new head of the FBI, even if the 10 years is not up. Clean slate.
Republican speeking template for violent threats and actions:
It was just a joke. (see above)
It was a metaphor. (when they are actually being literal, as in Trump’s address to the crowd: and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore and Rudi “Trial by combat”)
You misunderstood (when we understand clearly)
That’s not what I said (when it is what they said, it’s even on video)
You’re overreacting. (We need to have unity).
Threats. (If you try to respond to our violence, there will be more violence).
You are a communist.
Jesus loves us and not you.
Sudden outbreak of honesty, admitting that they never plan anything?
The template of a domestic abuser.
@StringOnAStick: You’d be hard pressed to find someone better suited to lead the prosecution of these cases.
Well, of course, there is a problem with the FBI and with every other law enforcement agency. Not saying all LE’s are a problem, but they all have a small contingent who are a big problem. I hope the powers that be take this opportunity to clean out these evil people.
@Josie: I would say they have a contingent that IS a problem, but we don’t yet know how large or small that contingent is.
I stand corrected. Your take is more exact.
LOL, the new meme is that Parler was a honeypot leftists set up to entrap the Trumpers. Now they have all the goods.
Now you know what DougJ has really been up to.
@germy: Haha yes fun little lighthearted threats of sedition and murder, la de dah such fun times, just goofing around tee hee!!!
I hate these people.
I just got the Phizer!
And of course the traitor in chief crawled out of his hole today to take no responsibility whatsoever and continue spreading lies:
@Poe Larity: I’ll give them the honeypot part, but I’m pretty sure the actual creators were only interested in gathering personal identifying information, email addresses, and maybe credit card numbers. For, I’m sure, completely legitimate purposes.
Zoiks! That’s just deranged.
How do they set up your second dose? Did they give you a card or anything?
This combo of words still makes me laugh. Envisioning this little weasel in the pit of a Colosseum, facing off against some gladiator in armor and trident.
@Raven: Congrats! I have an appointment for my Mom to get one next Tuesday.
No one has wanted to deal with these people for decades. They have been treated like kid gloves – even after Oklahoma City – and tRump came in and basically defunded any activity aimed at them with Congress’ full blessing.
Republicans know that the line between those society wants in jail and those that give them money/votes is very, very thin and often not even there. You can bet that is part of why they haven’t really wanted to go against tRump at any point in the last 4 years and after last week. Its been that way since after the Civil Rights movement and it was there before that as well when you consider who was in charge of the FBI. They consider these people “real Americans” not anyone that is a librul or registered Democrat or those living in cities. And the FBI know this.
The unspoken elephant in an FBI room when these groups comes up likely leaves everyone uncomfortable because they know that some Republican congressman (and lets be honest it likely would have been a man) is going to get wind of it eventually and start yapping, so they soft pedal it or try to nibble around the edges while crossing their fingers that everything doesn’t go to shit. That is likely what it has been up to the Southern Poverty Law Center to be the go-to for this stuff even when it really should be the FBI. They don’t want to speak the truth out loud for many reasons and this shit has allowed to exist and take root to the point that the toxic white supremist wing of the populace runs one of the two major political parties and they are too spineless and beholden to stop it.
Probably the hardest part for the FBI in analyzing the intel is figuring out which death threats are real. There’s been a lot of incendiary stuff on rightwing social media for a long time. They don’t act on all of it. But with the Inauguration coming up, they’d better be willing to overreact.
@Amir Khalid: And if they weren’t violent intemperate nutbars, they wouldn’t have been attracted to it, they would have been repelled.
Too risky to all that expensive dental work he had done for himself.
Gin & Tonic
@Raven: Congrats, dude. My wife has gotten both shots, no real issues.
@Jay C: agreed. I have a relative in Federal law enforcement, and his commentary that the Capitol Police were subjects/suspects of investigation, and therefore not commenting (with respect to Chris Hayes’ Twitter), would IMAO apply to the other agencies as well.
@germy: I saw her on Joy Reid last night. That lady does not mince words.
@Cheryl Rofer: If they think they need 15,000 National Guardsmen, send 30,000. Time to put this rebellion down once and for all and remind the cosplay militia types that their fantasies are not our reality.
Gin & Tonic
This is funny as shit:
@StringOnAStick: Same here — I have a couple of “moderate” friends who aren’t reliable Dem voters, but they did sign up for Richardson’s emails and even before the insurrection attempt they’d begun making more liberal noises. She’s a treasure.
I have cop friends and relatives. They are mostly unwilling to criticize other cops. “The story in the news was probably incomplete”
An organized government effort would realize that ID cards with Covid vaccine status will become necessary. Unfortunately, we cannot have nice things.
An update on the status of the USA in the world:
The foreign minister of Luxembourg has declined to attend a planned meeting with the U.S. Secretary of State.
(Luxembourg is about 0.8 Rhode Island’s)
@Poe Larity: If true, which is soooo doubtful, it would not be a bad thing, would it? No one made them post the things they did. Just gave them a place to do it.
@Josie: Obviously hoping it’s small, but I am not at all confident of that.
@Gin & Tonic: At least they didn’t tell him the meeting had been moved to the Hague. Probably saving that to reel in Trump; “Sir, your Noble Piece Prize will be awarded in the Netherlands.”
First, after 9/11, Bush defunded/downplayed it. then in 2009, they threw conniption fits over the DHS/DOJ report on right-wing terrorists recruiting ex-military and defunded it. Again.
@Calouste: Let the shunning continue.
Wasn’t it Janet Reno who put out the report of how dangerous the right-wing extremists were, and the Rs raised such a fuss that they had to mostly take it back?
@Cheryl Rofer: What still surprises me is that all this mess didn’t happen when we elected a Black man — and then re-elected him. But years later, we elect a genial, elderly white man and the racism and fascism all boils over.
edit: referring to Biden, obviously.
Apology of the day:
The FBI has quite a checkered history.
J Edgar Hoover shaped the FBI as an authoritarian, personality-cultish, *very* right-wing organization devoted more to investigating and destroying the Civil Rights and Anti-War movements than to organized crime.
The FBI under James Comey allowed seditionist fucks to influence policy, including the ongoing demonization of Hillary Clinton, not to mention Comey’s own famous contribution to where we are right now when he kneecapped the Clinton Campaign 6 days before the election.
So I’m not willing to assign the FBI any kind of hero status just yet. They’re up to their asses in seditionists, authoritarians, and right-wingers.
Because that would have been much better.
Goooooooo fuuuuuuuuuuck yourseeeeeeeeeeelf
@John S.: I keep thinking of the Whisky Insurrection and President Washington’s response. I think sending plenty of national guard to rain on the parler-brigade parade would be an appropriate gesture.
The Moar You Know
@Raven: congrats and keep on isolating for two weeks until your immunity is built up. And then you get shot number two. You’re gonna have a LOT less to worry about after that second shot.
Actually, Biden is the real racist (if you believe some sarcastic intellectual conservatives):
The unity-building Joe Biden keeps delivering. He now announced that he’s going to put in charge of the civil rights division at the DOJ… a person who thinks that some races are intellectually, physically and spiritually superior to others. Yes, this person believes in superior and inferior races. This is extremely centrist and will bring oodles of tolerance and unity.
The more I read about this, the more I believe, as does my husband, that this was allowed to happen by the authorities. Time for a thorough housecleaning in all federal law enforcement agencies.
She’s one of the reasons I don’t buy the “blue state / red state” thing. The rightwing nuts are in every state.
It mostly seems to be a problem with WHITE law enforcement.
I fear it’s just the first (post insurrection) of those continuing what the fascists in Michigan and Oregon started.
It is not a red state vs blue state divide, and hasn’t been for a long time. We live in an urban vs rural divide. The main reason why GA is trending blue and AL isn’t is that Atlanta has a metro population of 6 million and Birmingham has a metro population of 1 million. Oregon would be as red as Idaho if Portland were shrunk to the size of Boise.
That the FBI is compromised and politicized should’ve been obvious when Comey put his thumb on the scale in the 2016 election.
@Poe Larity: Actually, I think it would be great if all that personal information was given to the worst robocallers, the worst online grifters, the angriest set of pre-teen hackers, and to every non-GOP/wacko political NGO out there (like MoveOn.org, etc.). Fill their email boxes, voicemail boxes, etc. until they’re unusable. Steal their identities. Empty their bank accounts. Screwup their online payments. Pretty soon they’ll be destitute and on the street. I’ll toss ’em dime and tell ’em to get jobs.
@germy: The kid got a card from the CDC when she got her first jab last month, she gets her second this week.
Yes, that’s the truth.
These are people who’ve watched Law & Order shows for two decades and never once thought they’d actually be on the business end of the system, no matter what they did.
@germy: As a Californian who saw some douchebags flying Confederate flags at a Veterans’ Day parade in my old town (in a very blue part of this very blue state), I concur.
I was like……………motherfuckers, you realize California wasn’t part of the fucking Confederacy, right?? But mayhap they did not. Not exactly know for their smarts, these ones.
@Kent: Exactly. Here in Colorado the Front Range (Denver, Boulder, Ft. Collins, with the exception of Colo Springs, because Jesus) is urban/suburban and blue.
The Western Slope – the rest of Colo west of the divide – is rural and often very red. US rep Lauren Boebert, petty criminal, wife of a sex offender, QAnon nut, and now seditious conspirator, represents this area.
And yes people knew all about her past. Her opponent was an establishment Dem, not a great candidate but not crazy nor inexperienced. Boebert still won by a large margin. She’s like them, it’s who most of them they are.
I’m sure it was just a conincdink that 7 out of 7 people in the post-vaccination waiting were of the “up north” persuasion!
And of course the traitor in chief crawled out of his hole today to take no responsibility whatsoever and continue spreading lies:
He always falls back on this weird gossipy bullshit. “Some say…” or “People thought…”
He also deflects responsibility.
You characterize Donald Trump as “genial”? SRSLY??
Though the buildup of right-wing/racist grievance and resentment didn’t start in 2016: it was always there (this IS America, after all), Trump’s election just gave it a sort of “official cover” – not least from a Republican Party afraid to call out extremism in its own ranks. Mainly because said extremists were the activist base of their Party: so they did what politicians usually do: simply redefine the “extremism” as “normal”.
I’ve seen those flags while driving a few miles south of the Canadian border. I think it’s more about hate than heritage.
Good for you. My husband’s cousin in TX has also gotten it. Here in blue CT they haven’t even gotten started on anyone but HCW and nursing homes.
@germy: Yes, they scheduled it on the computer and gave me a shot record.
I can confirm this as a long time resident of rural Marion County, OR
Oh, it has, assuming that report that it was hacked is correct.
@Jay C: Pretty sure that was Joe Biden she was referring to…
@Calouste: The US or the rump Trump administration?
@Gin & Tonic: The “northern” people I was with were from Wooster, Cape Cod and Montauk! You KNOW what we talked about.
Oh thank you so fucking much for sending me unprepared to that Clarissa bitch.
Larry Brock of Grapevine, Texas:
She meant Biden, not Trump.
Steve in the ATL
@Jay C: Biden. They freaked out when Biden was elected. They didn’t freak out when trump was “elected”.
True, but I wondered about sympathies. According to the Wiki…
A minor, but ugly little addendum to Civil War history.
Steve in the ATL
@raven: college football?
I just saw on the Twitter that there will be an FBI-DOJ press conference at 3:00pm Eastern on the “storming” of the capitol. Maybe someone smart can find a livestream.
@The Moar You Know: I think I’m going to resume swimming in a while and observe the protocols I had been doing. Apparently it works to mask up, go right through the locker room, work out, get dressed on the deck and get the hell out!
Not necessarily nefarious. This administration is hollowed out, lacking staffers and the ones who are still there are not all competent. “Advance” require work, coordination. I doubt that at this stage this administration is capable of it.
@Steve in the ATL: OH NO!!!
The real estate agent mentioned in the article is from my neck of the woods. My daughter actually found her original tweets and got them going viral.
Her twitter went from defending herself to attacking others to quoting bible verses to private back to defending herself. My guess is that since the FBI has not arrested her yet, she thinks she is going to get away with it.
At one point the image highlights on her profile page was nothing but Holocaust pictures.
She lost her ‘self help’ book deal and her iHeartRadio show. It does not look like she will lose her real estate license.
Sorry: my bad
That’s that asshole Rick Saccone. He was the guy who ran against Conor Lamb in the special election that first won Lamb the seat he holds now. He used to be a state senator. He was teaching at my niece’s college, St. Vincent College. Fucking asshole.
@ballerat: Yep. You can look at any detailed election map of the 2016 or 2020 election and EVERY single major urban area regardless of state is blue, while virtually every single rural area, regardless of state, is red. The exceptions like the Rio Grande Valley and rural Vermont, are few and far between.
Some of the brightest red areas in the country are places like rural Eastern Oregon. And some of the bluest areas of the country are red state cities like New Orleans. Biden won New Orleans 83% to 15% while losing Louisiana 58% to 40%
The biggest determinate of whether a state is red or blue is the ratio of urban to rural population, not it’s geographic location. That’s why CO is blue and WY is red. And why MN is blue and South Dakota is red.
See comment #45 above.
Gin & Tonic
@raven: You bet.
I think this means Trump has been more effective than any national figure at focusing right wing anger on specific targets. The anger has been there for a long time, but it has remained diffuse and unfocused. Trump knows how to point them at an enemy and turn them loose.
“At this stage”? I’m not sure they ever were. According to reports, they had trouble working the light switches in the White House when they moved in. And didn’t they botch the 2017 WH Easter Egg event?
Gin & Tonic
@Steve in the ATL: Yeah, Cape Cod is really known for that.
I really don’t want the inauguration to be held outside. Can we please move it to a small, secure location?
@germy: What is “intellectual” about this RWNJ nitwit? It’s the same rightwing bullshit you see everywhere.
Yes. If I remember correctly, the FBI under Obama had to backtrack when R’s whined about these “salt of the earth” people were being identified as extremist and dangerous. Clinton and Reno should have doubled down instead of letting these future seditious bastards multiply.
@raven: I know what you talked about! Montauk was one of my stomping grounds.
@ET: Merrick Garland, the incoming AG, is very well versed in right-wing extremism. And he was the prosecutor for the Oklahoma City Bombing.
FBI is under DOJ. Things will change.
Gin & Tonic
@PJ: Any minute you spend reading her verbal diarrhea is a minute you never get back. Somehow I assumed germy was smarter than posting her shit.
@Alison Rose: Confederate flags are not uncommon in rural Maine, a state that IIRC sent more soldiers per capita to fight for the Union than any other.
A kid came to our barn basketball court one day with an American flag and a Confederate flag flying on his truck. My ex, the one who made the gym available to local kids gratis, asked him why he had that flag flying. “Oh, ah, I just wanna see how people react,” he said. My ex told him not to bring it on the property again.
@PJ: See, he’s not wearing horns and face-paint, so must be one of the serious and thoughtful RWNJs.
(I suspect quite a lot of RWNJs despise many of the others, much like Trump’s characterization of the insurrectionists as “low-class”. They may even think that come the revolution, their sub-group will end up on top and can long-knives the more embarrassing factions.)
@Kent: A bunch of rural Oregon counties had “Greater Idaho” items on their ballots. Leave Oregon join Idaho. Purely symbolic, absolutely no legal avenue to implement.
@Gin & Tonic:
Somehow I assumed you were smart enough not to think I was agreeing with her.
@WaterGirl: Maybe this will *finally* put the last nail in the coffin of the idea that many people still hold that we need a “GOP Daddy” in charge of any security or defense related positions.
It’s not just Colorado Springs, though. There are plenty of other suburbs along the Front Range that are pretty damn red, like my home town of Loveland*. The suburbs have been a battle ground, and the Democrats haven’t won them yet by any means. There are so few people who are truly rural that Democrats would be in complete command if they won both the cities and the suburbs.
*Larimer County was rated as one of the metro areas that was most politically polarized without being racially polarized because of the split between Fort Collins and Loveland.
What still surprises me is that all this mess didn’t happen when we elected a Black man — and then re-elected him. But years later, we elect a genial, elderly white man and the racism and fascism all boils over.
Trump has also been a blatantly open white nationalist. I don’t recall any recent major GOP politician besides Trump insisting on praising the Confederacy or defending it as a legitimate part of American history and culture.
He embraces all white nationalist and fringe bigot groups and publicly tells them how much he “loves them.”
I mentioned to a friend that there seems to be a pattern to some of Trump’s pardons. He seems to feel that crimes committed by white men are all understandable and forgivable, especially white collar crimes.
@The Limper: Don’t worry. I’m sure Trump will be given GWB treatment and say he was no True Scotsman. Of course, that may require some mild criticism of Trump that would put any Republican in some extremist’s crosshairs, but y’know, reaping what you sow is all the rage these days.
@Roger Moore: And El Paso County (Colorado Springs metro) shifted more from tRump to Biden than anywhere else in the country. I’ve been a D pol consultant since 2007, but you keep guessing you know the area.
@germy: What is the point of spreading lies or profoundly erroneous opinions (that you disagree with)?
Apologies, Roger Moore, my comment should have been directed to Ballarat.
I guess we should shut down the blog. We often quote Trump here.
I thought the whole point of this place was to examine what fascists are doing to this country.
Should we stick to just writing about everyone we agree with
One of many tropes attempts to analyze by red and blue states. David Pakman, for ex.
That gets the geography wrong.
It’s red and blue, but homogeneous.
Few areas in total, some of them large, are overwhelmingly monopolitical. Most of us have neighbors we disagree with.
So the neighbors most intent on violence are not antifa or BLM, it’s the thugs who mainly consume right-wing bullshit about the rest of us.
Don’t forget the recipes, garden tips, and pet pictures. Oh, and the Cole stories.
A full service blog!
@germy: Trump is the President. His statements and actions have an effect on our government and society. This Clarissa person is a random right wing nutjob. There are thousands of them out there on the internet, broadcasting their hate and idiocy. None of them are interesting. Their opinions may not be much worse than those of a Marc Thiessen or Ross Douthat, but those chuckleheads’ opinions are being published by the Washington Post and the NY Times, which are major news sources, and as such have to be dealt with. The opinions of lunatics that, in days past, wouldn’t even make it in to the Letters to the Editor, are not in any way noteworthy.
“Trump’s MO for four plus years has been to intimidate high-level appointees behind the scenes”
These random people are quoting what’s being said at Fox News. Would you have been happier if I’d linked directly to Fox?
I really don’t feel like debating you. Scroll past my comments from now on. I really don’t care to have my contributions here policed by other commenters.
All of them were probably busy updating and printing their resumes. And, because it never gets tired:
INTERVIEWER: “What’s this four-year gap in your resume? Were you working for the Trump administration?”
CANDIDATE: “No! Heavy drug user. Sold my body for heroin.”
@germy: I have no words.
@Schmendrick: I was putting up that very post as you were typing your comment, but I didn’t see you in the thread.
@raven: I wonder if that will be true with this new super-contagious strain that is spreading like wildfire.
@mali muso: Yes, thanks — I didn’t realize my phrasing might be confusing.
@persistentillusion: All this Colorado political talk got me interested in the results of the Colorado 3rd congressional race. It turns out Boebert pulled in ~215,000 votes, Mitsch Bush ~190,000. A 6% win, not as much as I’d thought. A Colorado Sun analysis said the difference tracked the relative number of registered Republicans and Democrats in the district, so the larger group of unaffiliated were close to 50-50.
Boebert will definitely be a target in 2022, and it seems like a strong candidate could take her. There were a couple of Pueblo veterans who had a good anti-Boebert effort going. Maybe one of them will give it a shot. Non-political outsiders seem to have an advantage these days. Redistricting may affect the district make up for 2022 also.
@stinger: I don’t think it was confusing. i added a quick edit saying you were referring to biden, but i can remove that if you like.
@WaterGirl: Your edit is fine — I only wish you’d also corrected my grammar!
I thought the whole point of this place was to examine what fascists are doing to this country.
What are fascists doing to their gardens?
ETA: I wonder what happened to send this comment to Moderation?
I always heard that for Vermont. Maybe all the northern New England states make the same claim.
@catclub: Iowa makes it, too!
@persistentillusion: That is excellent. I didn’t look at a breakdown by county of the returns but, damn.
Does this signal a shift in Evangelicals or does it reflect more a dilution of the Jeebus by people moving into Colo Springs from more diverse and tolerant areas?
@Geminid: I don’t live in the 3rd. Well, I don’t live officially in CO at all, but I have a condo in Summit County where we spend 7-12 weeks a year, in 1-2 week increments.
So I care a lot about CO politics. I supported Mitsch Bush in ’18 and ’20.
In ’18 she probably got the cold shoulder from the DCCC that many did who were seen as ‘long shots’, but ran again because sometimes the first effort pays off. And Bush was a state legislator, so she wasn’t some rando or vanity run.
And g-d knows what the Trumped census is going to yield as far as redistricting. At least CO won’t have the state GOP screwing with it terribly, given the governor and lege makeup.
@Jim Appleton: Electoral analysis and results also have to do with how red or blue a locality is. Sometimes a campaign can succeed by cutting the margin in red areas of a district or state from 2-1 to 3-2. That is why, while some people dwell on all the bad reasons a particular group- say, white working class or rural- vote Republican, I am more interested in why the Democratic voters within these groups vote Democratic. And how, for instance, someone like Sherrod Brown can win two Senate terms in Ohio.
@RaflW: My Va 5th Congressional District is comparable to the Colorado 3rd in that a conservative Republican incumbent was knocked out by a more conservative challenger who then went on to win the general election. By 5 points here, six points in the CO 3rd. The Virginia 5th was drawn by a Republican legislature to favor a republican, and has a weird shape, like funnel with the wide end sitting on the NC border and the tip going almost to DC. By 2022, an independent commission will redraw it more compactly and neutrally. Assuming Charlottesville is still in the 5th, I think the talented Cameron Webb will win a rematch with the current Congressman, whose name I won’t mention so close to dinnertime.
Good luck out there in 2022. It’s beautiful country. I tell my traveling friends how great a town Alamosa is to visit.
There has been an issue at the FBI for a good while. It’s why I am convinced Comey did his stupid thing in 2016 because he was afraid his Trump-loving agents would sabotage him. I can show you screen shots of posts from my college board where police officers openly advocate for this kind of nonsense. They have a thug problem and they don’t care.
@catclub: Well, the first thing that comes up on a Google search says it was Iowa, which must have gotten lost on the way to NNE. ;-
ETA: stinger beat me to it
ETA2: The Wiki page for Maine in the Civil War makes the claim. The Vermont page doesn’t (at least not as far down as I read).
Too lazy to make links. TIme to cook dinner.
@JanieM: And not saying Wikipedia is definitive either.
I’m sure it’s complicated……….
My point was just to agree that framing our divisions as “red states and blue states” oversimplifies.
@ballerat: CD3 covers Pueblo and parts of the central mountains as well as the Western Slope. If you look at it on a map, it zigzags back and forth across the Continental Divide like a punchdrunk boxer.
I’m in rural north-central Oregon, where analogous things happen. Sometimes.
Both states have rural/urban gradient of affiliations.
Very good question. You’d think the DNC would’ve asked that question when he won his first term but I bet they’ve never even thought about it.
@Miss Bianca: My mistake, you are correct.
deleted. dupe. stupid phone ui.
I call bullshit on that. In the nicest possible way. :-)
J R in WV
You think she will sell much real estate from even a minimum security federal prison? I don’t!
I bet if she is picked up for interrogation she will lose her career. Much less indicted for sedition.