I know it’s not the best thing for my mental or physical health, but I just can’t quit reading these charging documents for what one FBI agent termed “the low-hanging fruit”, i.e., the terrorists who completely outed themselves on social media. They’re soothing in a way similar to genre fiction — they follow more-or-less the same pattern with just enough variation to keep it interesting, and they all have a happy ending (for me, not for them).
The pattern is extremely simple: boilerplate about the agent and the event, followed by robust (usually multiple pages) of detail culled from social media and/or press reports, ended by a list of federal statutes that were violated. They’re all a satisfying read, but for me to give one of these five stars on Yelp, it also has to include some form of self- or family-incrimination when the FBI interviews the terrorist or their family.
It’s hard to pick favorites, but here’s one that I think goes the extra mile: University of Kentucky student Gracyn Courtright. Here’s the press story and the affadavit filed by FBI Special Agent Miriam Hanna [pdf].
Young Gracyn began her day by posting a picture of herself on the Capitol grounds, captioned “can’t wait to tell my grandkids I was here”. Another photo was captioned “Infamy is just as good as fame. Either way I end up more known. XOXO” Note that these photos were supplied to the FBI by people who took screenshots since Gracyn deleted her Insta after the riots.
After posting her selfies, Gracyn was photographed holding a “Members Only” sign (a “thing of value” under 18 USC § 641), walking up some steps inside the Capitol. The affadavit also documents an Instagram DM exchange between her and someone else. Here’s an excerpt:
Someone: You were there???
Gracyn: Yes it wasn’t violent like the news said I took pictures all in the building, I never saw the violence I guess I was lucky – The cops like lets us walk in
Someone: Dude that’s embarrassing.
Gracyn: I walked into the chamber like the senate where desk are – it’s history idc – I thought it was cool.
Someone: You’re a moron – What’s cool about that lady dying because you and your fellow idiots are cry babies over an election??? She’s dead. It’s history??? You’re on the wrong side of it dumbass. You embarrassed everyone who knows you.
Gracyn: I’m sad she died? my friends are my friends everyday?
Someone: YEA YOU FUCKING IDIOT! What you did was treason!
Gracyn: idk what treason is
There are a half dozen other pictures of her in the mob, then comes the part that shows you that the dumb Gracyn didn’t fall far from Daddy’s stupid tree. The FBI
On January 14, 2021, FBI Special Agents went to COURTRIGHT’s father’s address to interview COURTRIGHT. COURTRIGHT’s father indicated that he did not feel comfortable allowing COURTRIGHT to give a statement unless she was notified she would not get in trouble for her actions.1 However, he told the FBI that COURTRIGHT traveled to Washington, DC, to be at “the party” and stayed with friends from high school who live in the DC area. According to her father, she was in the front of the crowd during President Donald TRUMP’s speech. Her father further stated that she made it to the Capitol an hour after TRUMP gave his speech, and she did not remember which side of the Capitol she was on when she entered the building. Her father stated that she had recalled walking up a ramp prior to entering the Capitol and was able to walk in. The father concluded by stating that if his daughter was charged with a crime, he would assist in ensuring she turned herself in to authorities.
The footnote is a low-key work of art. Special Agent Hanna should take up writing humor if the FBI gig doesn’t work out:
1 COURTRIGHT’s father represented that he was a lawyer, but was not COURTRIGHT’S criminal attorney, and that if she was charged with anything, a separate attorney would be hired for her.
This guy is acting like his kid got hauled into the principal’s office for throwing spitballs. Dude, I don’t know what you learned in law school, but the fucking FBI does not notify you that you won’t get in trouble for your actions, especially if your actions are sedition. The stupidity and ignorant privilege on display here beggars belief. Gracyn is charged with violating 18 USC § 1752(a)(1) and (2), 40 USC §5014 (e)(2)(D) and (e)(2)(G), and 18 USC § 641 (under $1,000). Maximum possible sentence is at least 21 years from what I can tell, but I’m not a lawyer, and they’re just getting started charging this young woman.
Cheryl Rofer
These people have ruined their lives, or at least the next several years thereof, unless prosecutors fall down on the job or the Orange Menace pardons them.
What a way to learn.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I wanna see Someone interviewed on TV
evodevo
OMG – as a UK alum and instructor, I am deeply ashamed, but not surprised….wonder if she belongs to one of the dimwit sororities I used to make fun of when I was there…I bet she does….
Jay
And, she’s a Brit, not Merkin.
Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix
@Cheryl Rofer: I’m not a lawyer, but my guess is she’s facing 21 years from what I’ve read, 10 each for the first 2 charges, and 1 for the rest. But, these are just the first set of charges. Sedition needs to go before a federal grand jury. These don’t. Hope her theory that infamy is just as good as fame works out for her.
David Anderson
@Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix: wouldn’t the low hanging fruit be the easiest to flip
Baud
Why do I have a sinking feeling she’s going to end up being the spokesperson for a “Members Only” line of clothing in 10 years?
Almost Retired
I share your obsession and your reaction to the charging documents as well. I, too, find them soothing in their formulaic predictability. Kind of like if Satan took over programming for the Hallmark Channel.
Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix
@Baud:
Since we’re going through a wave of ’80s nostalgia, the timing would seem to be right…
@David Anderson: Yes, but what does this fool know that’s worth flipping for? She attended the event with the same amount of foresight and planning as she would attend a pep rally, probably spurred on by a bunch of publicly-available propaganda. It’s unlikely that she knows anything about the guys going through the crowd in camo, or studying maps trying to figure out where Pelosi and Pence were hiding.
The Moar You Know
@Jay: that makes all this so much easier: designate “enemy combatant”, send to Gitmo, no trial required.
I don’t like the Republican rules but am more than happy to play by them, since they have insisted on it.
sdhays
@Baud: Ivanka is looking for a way to restart her brand. Maybe they can get together in prison.
jonas
The only reason these people haven’t done more damage than they otherwise might have is because so many of them are incredibly, incredibly stupid.
Half of these wanna-be MAGAt brownshirts have serious mental health issues, and the other half appear to have basically room-temperature IQs.
germy
https://dailygazette.com/2021/01/17/feds-schenectady-man-charged-in-capital-insurrection/
Archon
EVERY single person that stepped foot inside the Capitol building should go to prison for at least a year, every single one. The ones that engaged in vandalism or theft inside should go to jail for multiple years and the ones that engaged in violence against police officers inside (not even talking about the ones that killed the police officer) should spend a big chunk of the rest of their life in prison.
JKC
This is perhaps unkind, but it occurs to me that admission standards at the University of Kentucky aren’t very high.
Phylllis
@jonas: As a former boss used to say about certain of my co-workers, “It’s good for them that breathing is a reflex.
ETA: Per Popehat: Shut up.
Kelly
Ever since the 1/6 events Steve Goodman’s “Banana Republics” has been circling around in my head. Probably due to the whole banana republic nature of the Republican Party regimes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVB_-jBom1k&ab_channel=SteveGoodman-Topic
Yesterday it morphed into this
With apologies to the late great Steve Goodman:
Banana Republicans
Down to the District of Columbia,
Down to state capitols too
Come the ex patriotic Americans,
Expecting to have some fun
Some of them fight for apartheid,
Drawn by the lies of the past
To cure the spirit that’s ailing,
from losing white supremacy
Some are running from prosecutors
Leaving no forward address
Some of them are just grifting
Some are running from the IRS
And late at night you will see them
In Trump’s hotels and bars
Hustling young gun bunnies
As they dance beneath the stars
Spending embezzled dollars
On a bottle of rum and a lime
Singing “Give me some words I can dance to
And a melody that rhymes”
You learn the Fox News customs
A word of QAnon or two
But you know you can’t trust them
Because they know they can’t trust you
Down with banana republicans
There’s not as many as it seems
When no real patriots are buying
Any second-hand Fascist dreams
Ex patriotic Americans are feeling so all alone
Telling themselves the same lies
that they told themselves at home
And late at night you will see them
In Trump’s hotels and bars
Hustling young gun bunnies
As they dance beneath the stars
Spending embezzled dollars
On a bottle of rum and a lime
Singing “Give me some words I can dance to
And a melody that rhymes”
Down to District of Columbia,
Down to state capitols too
Come the ex patriotic Americans,
Expecting to have some fun
Benw
“I’m a Gra that will live in infamy!”
– Graycon Courtwright (apocryphal)
Patricia Kayden
piratedan
and you can see in her outcome the wonderfully benign promotion for THIS event/adventure via social media… “It Will Be Wild”. Yes, she’s a complete idiot (or perhaps she plays one on TV), thinking this will be something to do when right now, based on the National Health Crisis there simply isn’t as “much to do”. She serves multiple purposes showing an incredulous stupid face to place on the riot showing us how sweet innocent idiot here wouldn’t harm a fly, it’s all a lark, a prank and provides cover for those who were looking to do murder and decapitate the legislative branch of our government.
Maybe her legacy will be in giving a face to the meme, “play stupid games, win stupid prizes”.
If any of these folks walk away with less time than the Texas lady who “voted illegally”, it will be a travesty of justice.
CraigM
@jonas: Room-temperature IQs? Is that Fahrenheit or Celsius….
burnspbesq
Oh yeah, stick around for the superseding indictments. The investigation has barely begun.
jonas
@JKC: Something like half of Trump voters have a college degree of some kind, which just goes to show that there are many ways to attend a school without really getting educated in any meaningful way. UK is a fine school and if you want, you can get a good education there. You can also just barely make it in, major in “business administration,” go to basketball games and party for four years. Three guesses as to which this young lady did.
citizen dave (aka mad citizen)
FORTY EIGHT HOURS !!!
RSA
@The Moar You Know:
I know someone who was at a BLM protest over the summer and got caught up in a police kettle. They herded a crowd of people into a specific area with just one outlet, then arrested everyone for unlawfully remaining in that area (with no way to leave).
His was a very different situation from storming the Capitol, and yet he has a couple of misdemeanors on his record now. People who say they didn’t do anything wrong in the Capitol (especially if that’s not true) should go to the end of the line if they’re concerned about justice.
FridayNext
Is there a good website or sites where these are collected?
p.a.
Am I unduly optimistic that the financiers are criminally vulnerable too? I would walk from Providence to DC to see Ginni Thomas perp-walked if I could get there no other way.
mrmoshpotato
@citizen dave (aka mad citizen): ?Forty, forty, forty eight hours to go, before we throw out Trump trash ?
(Half-hearted apologies to the Ramones)
germy
Laura
I’m sorry to be cynical about this but I think this “What me? I’m not a real terrorist.” act will be affective when it gets to sentencing. Not in every case. I can imagine that some of the men, esp those with previous convictions, will get jailtime. But I think a look of wide eyed fear and remorse along with
Gee I didn’t know there was anything wrong with battering my way into Congress to interfere with a legal election process” combined with being white and middle class will result in a lot of slapped hands,
Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix
@FridayNext:
https://seditiontracker.com
has a few but not all. There’s a subreddit:
https://reddit.com/r/CapitolConsequences
Ken
Fahrenheit or Celsius?
Amir Khalid
@germy:
Yay Hawley. //
I think we all pretty much figured Regnery would come to his rescue.
germy
And I thought tours had been canceled because of COVID.
Ken
He’s still got slightly less than two days.
MattF
You also have to look at those who would lead the ‘sedition is fun!’ participants and where they are attempting to lead. The wannabe leaders often turn out to be religious fanatics, driven by a vision of founding a ‘righteous’ theocracy. This NYT analysis of Josh Hawley’s views is typical and clarifying.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@germy: aren’t Regnery and Simon & Schuster both subsidiaries of Bertelsmann? along with just about every (once) major US publisher?
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: S&S does Regnery’s distribution outside the US, but I’m still looking for the connections
feebog
I highly recommend following Seamus Hughes on Twitter if you want to read a bunch of these FBI complaints. This investigation is going to take a long long time. It should not be limited to those who broke in the Capitol building. There were plenty of rioters outside who assaulted cops and destroyed property. We are going to need bigger jails and more judges.
Ken
@germy: So when Regnery publishes a book, and some RW organization buys a million copies to get it on the best-sellers lists, do they actually print and ship a million copies? Because it seems wasteful, what with most of them ending up in a warehouse or getting sent straight to recycling or a landfill. Is there some option for buying a million electronic copies, to reduce resource use?
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
She may be facing 21 years, but I am sure that will get pled white down.
cain
As long as Gen Xers are around there will always be many waves of 80’s nostalgia.
Have you seen those high hipped jeans women are wearing? I have no idea why that is a thing. Kids are literally wearing ‘mom jeans’
Doc Sardonic
@Laura: Most of these defendants being white are entering an area where white privilege means a little less, unless they have very good lawyers and a bit of luck to get a plea deal, trials will be in front of federal judges and juries in the DC circuit. Not the best place to be tried for fucking up the Capitol, not likely to get a jury of local Cletus and Clovis’ to acquit
germy
@Ken:
I thought the books were shipped and then given away free at the various RW conventions they hold.
Attendees pay a fee for entry, listen to speeches, eat some shrimp or whatever, and then get handed some free books to display (unread) in their home bookshelves.
Matt McIrvin
@Patricia Kayden: The one and only thing I regret about Trump’s term being over so soon is that we won’t be able to see his job-approval averages plummet any lower than they can get by Wednesday–which probably won’t bring them any lower than they were in the middle of 2017. But it’s a sacrifice I’m willing to accept.
It’s been so frustrating to see outrage after outrage, and disaster after disaster, come to the country, and never trigger anything like the polling drops Jimmy Carter or second-term Richard Nixon or even second-term George W. Bush experienced. But it looks like we finally found the thing that could do it. Though I wonder how much of that is the thing itself, and how much is that he already lost the election and they yanked his Twitter account, limiting his ability to spin it.
sdhays
@Laura: The expectation that I’ve seen is that these people are going to be tried in DC with DC juries. If that’s true, I think we can count on DC juries to be less susceptible to these excuses.
sdhays
@Matt McIrvin: It’s chilling to think how much differently the last 5 years may have played out if Twitter had enforced its rules on him when he was still just a stupid private citizen.
Matt McIrvin
@cain: Honestly, this is me being a cranky old man, but I always hated the fashion for lower-riding jeans; it always felt like they were about to fall down.
dexwood
@germy: I don’t remember who it was here who predicted this, but I do remember the prediction when news of S & S dropping Hawley was released, Whoever you were, take a bow.
MattF
@Matt McIrvin: IMO, approval ratings are rate-triggered. I realize this leads to ‘it’s falling because it’s falling’ reasoning, but I think that’s preferable to always looking at what’s happening at the margin.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Matt McIrvin: Pants on the ground, pants on the ground
lookin’ like a fool with your pants on the ground!
debbie
@Cheryl Rofer:
Just wait until the realization sinks in that Trump really doesn’t care about them.
kindness
It’s funny and sad at the same time. Clueless white people who think laws apply to other people, not themselves.
debbie
@germy:
Absolutely unsurprising. Also, automatic remainder.
Frans
@Jay: I don’t think so. UK is most likely to be referring to University of Kentucky, not United Kingdom.
In other news, I am loving the fact that the FBI agent is a Christian whose family is originally most likely from Lebanon or Syria, and that the judge is not exactly WASP either.
cain
@Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony:
I suspect simple participants will spend 1-2 years in jail – they’ll have a record and that’s going to be tough. They will be felons from now on and tarred and feathered as insurrectionists.
It will be hard to wrap themselves in all their patriotic garb with that record.
Matt McIrvin
@sdhays: It’s not even as if most people are even on Twitter! But the news outlets treated his tweets as newsworthy, so they served as this disintermediating mechanism, like the dictator controlling the radio stations, even if the audience wasn’t on Twitter.
debbie
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
S&S are owned by ViacomCBS. It used to be Paramount, but I don’t know when it switched or was absorbed.
debbie
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Google says Regnery is part of the Salem Media Group, which sound like a Sinclair-type wannabe.
Low Key Swagger
Every few years, a bin full of right wing books shows up in Goodwill for around a buck a piece. I actually took photos once of all the titles to write a post on my blog but never got around to it. Kinda funny though.
Hoodie
Went over to ProPublica and looked at some of the videos they nabbed from Parler. The general impression is core group of male white supremacist goons doing fight club type riot tourism or revolutionary cosplay along with a bunch of entitled middle and upper middle class white folks who think that the Capitol is their house because, of course, who doesn’t bust out the windows and take a shit in your own living room? They seem to live in a virtual world of Facebook and cable TV and probably have never seen the inside of a jail or criminal courtroom.
The funny thing was how indignant and dramatic some of them were that the police were even mildly responding to their actions. My son was at one of the gilets jaunes riots (a similar crowd in some respects) a couple of years ago and the one impression he came away with was how fucking decisive, relentless and scary French riot police can be (he did say the most beautiful woman he has ever seen was a French cop). That was just a regular event in Paris, not an insurrection. In contrast, he said the Capitol Police treated an insurrection like it was a concert that got a little out of hand.
Nicole
Well, Trump still has one more day to pardon them all. Which he may do, seeing as how if they’re in jail they’re very unlikely to donate to his presidential library.
I totally get the glee about reading these things, MM. I normally don’t like political podcasts or cable news because I think the commentary is usually not very smart, but I turned on “The New Abnormal” today and while I think Molly Jong-Fast and Rick Wilson are, eh, adequate, I very much enjoyed listening to guest Michael Cohen rant with hatred for Trump for 30 minutes. It was the drug I didn’t know I wanted.
CaseyL
@Four Seasons Total Landscaping mistermix: That subreddit threat has some great commentary about how the people who have been charged but not yet apprehended will spend their remaining time in a state of anticipatory dread.
I ran away from home when I was 16, and stayed overnight at a friend’s house. I remember to this day how it felt to wonder if every police car I heard go by was looking for me, if every step I heard outside was a cop coming to get me.
Are the seditionists are feeling that x 1000?
I sure as hell hope so.
ThresherK
The ghost of Charles Dickens is kicking himself for not inventing a name like “Grace in Court-Right” for some addle-pated overprivileged young woman.
Suzanne
“Wise Up” is an amazing song and now I need to listen to it.
Hungry Joe
Since all of the Capitol-trashing crimes were (I think) Federal, could Trump issue a blanket pardon to everyone charged with anything?
Bill Arnold
@Nicole:
He’ll pardon those who beat cops, and killed one of them. And pardon those who aided the cop-beaters?
There is even video of a copy being beaten with a “Thin Blue Line” flagpole.
Also, many of the protesters are saying that Trump asked them to take action and invade the capital. He has been disavowing responsibility because it would help support the case that he incited the insurrectionists attempting a coup.
Bill Arnold
@Hungry Joe:
He would pardon cop killers and cop beaters, and since protesters are saying that he called for the assault on the Capital, they should be pardoned, so a pardon would be evidence that he incited the attack.
trnc
YES!
Or maybe not. Nice work trying to have it both way, gramma.
Haroldo
@Matt McIrvin:
Nixon did not have Fox having his back. He did not have Twitter. Right wing radio did not have (particularly exburban) America in its partial grip. Remove the constant drumbeat of fascist media, remove the fascist.
trnc
Are the names capitalized like that in the actual report? If so, this makes them sovereign citizens unbeholden to US law. Checkmate, libs.
persistentillusion
@germy: The Regnerys are scum of the earth. We share a home town of a small Chicago suburb. I was a trust officer at the local bank and they had a trust benefiting an elderly relative handled by the trust department. They looted that trust and the relative died in less comfortable circumstances than would have been the case if their greed had been checked. Which was something I couldn’t do, unfortunately.
trnc
Hopefully, a member of Club Fed instead.
gene108
@Matt McIrvin:
@Patricia Kayden:
I wonder what percentage of people that disapprove of Trump now do so because Trump “conceded” the day after the insurrection attempt, and is not fighting to the bitter end calling on his armed fanatics to storm DC as heavily armed as they can be.
trnc
Ted Cruz attended Harvard. Just sayin’.
Kent
And be permanently banned from any sort of military or law enforcement career in which they carry weapons.
artem1s
@germy:
he may as well add “we do it every year after the big game, what’s the big deal?” No kidding. This is what these idiots have been complaining about since COVID shut down hit their states. No Friday night football, drunken tailgating, and no after game rallies and riots to go to. They are morons.
Ruckus
@Cheryl Rofer:
Do you really think most of these people will learn anything positive? I’m not holding my breath.
They had/have no idea, no basis for constructive thought about anything, including their own safety and their own ignorance. There are always going to be a few people like this but in this country we have almost an entire political party, with a large membership, from the top down who think that the law doesn’t apply to them, that their racism is not only OK but magnificent.
A rude awakening seems to be beyond their capabilities, because their brains are so missing of the ability of cognitive thought. And their leadership is as lacking as they are.
Sure, some of them will actually learn, but what will they learn, their political leaders are/will still be there, the system that allowed them to arrive at their current political position is still intact and most of it has learned nothing. And they don’t trust/believe anyone/anything that isn’t in their current leadership.
Now we are in the very early stages of recovery and it could go far better/faster than I think it can easily go but it took decades to get where we are, and the basis for that goes back a lot farther, so how does that get changed rapidly?
Kent
These cases will be tried at the US District Court of the District of Columbia which sits 2 blocks from the Capitol. In front of juries drawn from Washington DC and perhaps surrounding counties like Prince George’s which are heavily Democratic and minority. I don’t think counting on jury nullification because you are white is going to work quite as well as it might have back home where these folks are from. They aren’t going to have a lot of leverage in the plea negotiations. Yet they would be insane to take these cases to trial.
Calouste
@dexwood: There were multiple people here who predicted that, me included. Took longer than I thought though. I guess Regnery had to explain to Hawley that the financial conditions were going to be somewhat different than his S&S contract, and it took Hawley a while to realize they were his only option.
trnc
I don’t doubt that some were temporarily radicalized – not that bright to begin with, and got caught up in right wing online crap because that’s how it works. They won’t become democrats, but they might realize it was a bad idea to get caught up in the mayhem. I’m fine with light penalties if there’s no record of violence and some indication they’re inclined to stay out of 4chan, etc, as long as there’s a permanent record so that if they do anything like that again, their ass is likely going to the slammer.
Betty Cracker
I ? Someone!
Kent
@RSA:
In most of the BLM arrests this summer, the police were using arrests as a form of crowd control. They weren’t actually collecting adequate evidence and such to make the charges stick. That is why the DAs throw out most of them and only really prosecute those who they have dead to rights on camera assaulting cops or committing acts of arson and vandalism. I don’t know about other states, but here in Portland, less than 1 in 10 arrests have resulted in prosecutions, and even less have been convicted. This is going to be different. Every arrest at this point is an actual arrest with the intent to prosecute. The FBI isn’t tracking these folks down across state lines just so they can dismiss the cases
EDIT: I’m no excusing how the police treated BLM protestors. Just explaining that I expect a MUCH higher conviction rate from these arrests than from the BLM protest arrests because these are much more serious arrests of people that they have dead to rights. Not arrests made primarily for crowd control.
Ruckus
@germy:
I once sat next to a couple on a plane with one of those thick books about conservative bullshit. They complained about everything, loud enough that those around them could easily hear. Sitting with the riff raff in coach class, how much better off they were, etc. The wife had the book out the entire time, didn’t read a word, it was a prop, their street cred. That’s what the books are for, building a street gang, nothing more.
Patricia Kayden
Kent
Yeah, but honestly the same thing happens on the left too. How many of the sold copies of Barak Obama and Michelle Obama’s latest books do you think have actually been read cover-to-cover. I doubt it is even 10%. A bunch of people bought them so they could put them on their bookshelves for zoom calls, or coffee tables.
Dupe1970
@Phylllis: Also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
Jay
@Frans:
apparently, from what I have read so far, she’s a Brit attending U of K.
so UK in the UK not okay.
Kent
Wow…just wow
Woodrow/asim
@Patricia Kayden: It’s been reported since this AM that cancelling that Pipeline is what Biden plans to do, among other Day 1 activities.
sab
@Cheryl Rofer: They have probably ruined their lives forever.
Life with a felony conviction is difficult. In most states you are barred from any sort of professional license (law, accounting, cosmetology, nursing). Forget ever working with kids. Forget keeping your own kids if you ever get in a custody battle. Even if you don’t need a license for a job it damages all job prospects when you fill out that job app.
Ruckus
@Phylllis:
Breathing is an autonomic function.
The concept that a large portion of the human race would not be alive if breathing was anything but an autonomic function has a pretty good basis if you review even a smattering of human history.
sab
@Matt McIrvin: And they make most girls look like muffin tops.
opiejeanne
@Jay: Where did you see that she’s a Brit? The article I read said she’s a native of West Virginia.
Ruckus
@Kent:
Displaying it in your own home is different than carrying it on a plane and flashing it about without ever even pretending to read one page. And talking about how privileged you are in a loud voice to insure that those around you get the message. Of course most people got a different message than the one that was thought as being delivered.
I have two book cases in my front room – it’s where I store the books I own, as I’ve seen many of us here do, in our Zoom calls. I like books, as many of us do, as entertainment, as a learning experience, as reference. How many of us carry books around as a political statement? Especially ones we haven’t and don’t intend to read?
Rand Careaga
@Cheryl Rofer:
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
Miss Bianca
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Yeah, me too. not sure whether I feel more like laughing or crying when I read this stuff. Maybe crying with laughter?
Ruckus
@Laura:
I’d think that would be more likely if it wasn’t federal courts. This sort of thing, an attempted overthrow of the government is taken a bit more seriously at the federal level. I could be wrong but I’d bet that most will pay a lot higher price than they likely thought a lark should cost them.
Snarki, child of Loki
Participation in a violent insurrection, invading the Capitol, for the purposes of disrupting the presidential election SHOULD receive a “lifetime ban on voting privileges”.
Plus the lifetime ban on possession of firearms also, too.
Punishment to fit the crime, as it were. C’mon judges, lay some justice on them!
Miss Bianca
@Kent: Oh, “Distributing Bibles” is what the kids are calling it these days?
geg6
@Betty Cracker:
Yeah, that DM thread is awesome. Someone is a person after my own heart.
Kristine
@germy: I knew that if he found a new publisher, it would be Regnery.
Just One More Canuck
@Betty Cracker: Baud/Someone 2024!
NotMax
@Kristine
“Regnery. The solution for wobbly table legs since 1947.”
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evodevo
@JKC: Not unkind…it’s a party school.. if you’re in state they let you in with B+ HS grades, which in Ky is like a C- anywhere else lol- you have to fog a mirror and have the money…
leeleeFL
@Low Key Swagger: if I saw them, I would buy them just shread them and use it as pet litter. My family has wabbits!
Another Scott
@gene108: In the Anecdotes Are Not Data file:
There is a house a few blocks away that had a Trump flag hanging across the entrance of their carport for a long time after the election. Including after the new year, IIRC.
It’s gone now.
I think a lot of magas were shaken by what happened on 1/6. A majority? Dunno. But a lot.
Thankfully.
We have to see if they memory-hole it going forward though…
Cheers,
Scott.
catclub
I think the fame of the event will be used to ask for a change of venue to W. Virginia.
leeleeFL
@Another Scott: The tRump as Rambo flag I mentioned a few weeks ago was gone January 7th as well. Guess the violence and insanity was FINALLY too much!
Kathleen
@dexwood: I was thinking the same thing and I wish I remember who called it.
catclub
I was very surprised to see another person arrested, still in DC, but from away. Of, course, if you are now on the no-fly list….
Frans
@Jay: Link? My link is the FBI document.
Kathleen
@Woodrow/asim: I’m sure there will be those who won’t approve of HOW he did it or will say he should have done it sooner.
Aziz, light!
Having attended a couple days of the Malheur Refuge trial here in Portland where I sat a few feet from the jury full of bozos who let Snack Team Six off scot free, I expect many of the Capitol party animals to get suspended sentences. Do we know with any assurance what the trial venues will be?
Ella in New Mexico
It’s not what you thought
When you first began it
You got what you want
Now you can hardly stand it, though
By now you know
It’s not going to stop
It’s not going to stop
It’s not going to stop
Till you wise up
You’re sure there’s a cure
And you have finally found it
You think one drink
Will shrink you till you’re underground
And living down
But it’s not going to stop
It’s not going to stop
It’s not going to stop
Till you wise up
Prepare a list for what you need
Before you sign away the deed
‘Cause it’s not going to stop
It’s not going to stop
It’s not going to stop
Till you wise up
No, it’s not going to stop
Till you wise up
No, it’s not going to stop
So just give up
Skepticat
With the air conditioning set very, very low.
RSA
@Kent: Thanks for your observations. That’s hopeful.
(I hesitated to write about BLM at all, because of the false equivalences so many conservatives create, but in this context I thought it would be of interest.)
WaterGirl
@Patricia Kayden: I thought Biden already said he was doing that on day one?
trollhattan
@Ella in New Mexico:
It’s always a good day for Aimee Mann.
“You’re with Stupid Now” also relevant.
Trudy Leonard
@Low Key Swagger: I can always tell when somebody’s Memaw has died by the sudden influx of the Faux News Bestseller List books on the shelves at Goodwill.
J R in WV
@Kent:
And also banned from working in any commercial establishment that deals in weapons, ammunition, shooting, training shooters, etc, etc. No hunting, no target practice, no skeet shooting, nothing that causes them to touch a firearm in any way.
Trudy Leonard
@Low Key Swagger: I can always tell when somebody’s Memaw has died by the sudden influx of the Faux News Bestseller List books on the shelves at Goodwill.
No name
@Kelly: just seeing this, very well done!
Kayla Rudbek
@Matt McIrvin: same here. Low-rise or mid-rise trousers/jeans/shorts only work for people with utterly flat bellies. Which is not most people by a long shot.